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FAQs About Goldfish Systems: Filtration

Related Articles: Goldfish Systems, Goldfish 101: Goldfish May Be Popular, And They May Be Cheap, But That Doesn't Make Them Easy Aquarium Fish by Neale Monks, Goldfish Disease, Goldfish Nutrition, GoldfishGoldfish VarietiesGoldfish Mal-Nutrition,

Related FAQs: Goldfish Systems 1, Goldfish Systems 2, Goldfish Systems 3, Goldfish Systems 4, Goldfish Systems 5, Goldfish Systems 6, Goldfish Systems 7, Goldfish Systems 8, Goldfish Systems 9, & FAQs on Goldfish System: Tanks (Size, Shape...), Lighting/Tops, Decor, Gravel, Plantings, Heating/Temperature, Aeration/Circulation, Water Quality (Algae, Smell, Cloudiness... Ammonia, Nitrite, Nitrate, Nitrogen Cycling), Maintenance, Trouble/Fixing, & Goldfish 1, Goldfish Behavior, Goldfish Compatibility, Goldfish Feeding, Goldfish DiseaseGoldfish Breeding/Reproduction

Need complete biological filtration... along with mechanical/physical... and you to do regular maintenance, change-outs of the media to assure it doesn't accumulate solids, dissolve to contribute to dissolved organic materials.

Medium sized tanks can get by with hang on power filters, larger ones need canisters...

Even with the biggest, best filtration... still need to do regular partial water change-outs.

Filtration for Goldfish, 75g Tank - 09/24/2009
I currently have 2 Orandas, two 6-8" comets, but need to move four more comets in, as my leaking outdoor pond needs to be rebuilt.
<Yikes! Leaking ponds are never fun.>
I set up a 75 gallon FW tank in July (2 months ago), using 140lbs stone, drfitwood, and several bunches of Anacharis from my pond. Cycled w/Orandas (no stress whatsoever),
<Tell that to the fish. Please don't cycle with fish.... There are easier ways that don't cause damage to gills, skin, eyes.... Though you might not see the damage, it's still not appreciated by the fish, I'm sure.>
tank cleared w/no amm/nitrite/nitrate, and added 2 comets, then went cloudy again and never recovered (4 weeks now). Having read much of the FAQs on WWW for filtration I realize now my filtration is less than ideal, and am
agonizing over the best fix (with least amount of cost). Everyone I spoke w/online and off have all sorts of ideas, mostly running several hundred dollars (LFS employees and friends with deep pockets mostly).
<LFS has lots to gain, if they convince you to buy a shiny new monster of a filter!>
So instead I seek wisdom of the WetWebMedia crew.
<Eek! Wisdom? Uhh, I'll try!>
Hoping you can steer me right in how to improve things!
<Let's see.>
Current setup includes the following:
* EHEIM 2215 Classic (163 gph)- doing so-so for filtration
<Yeah.... That's not NEARLY enough turnover.>
* 2 Hydor Koralia 2 Powerheads (600gph each)- doing great w/water movement
<Okay, there's the turnover, but no filtration.>
After much fussing w/the Eheim 2215 to make sure I had no air bubbles, clogs, kinks etc, I cleaned and reassembled, and noticed that the flow rate really didn't change from the 1st start up when it was newly installed.
Hence I realize I need more filtration, at least to 6x turnover (or 450gph),
<Yep.>
and more probably would be better (but cost prohibitive).
<I do understand that.>
And now for the guidance help needed: Which of the following options would be wisest to add, or what other option would you suggest (barring adding a $400 canister filter)?
*Eheim Powerline Internal Filter 2252 should add an additional 317gph filtration, bringing me to ~470gph
<Not bad, but.... harder to clean and change media than a standard power filter. Eheim does make exceptional products, however. I adore their Professionel II canisters - but they come with that ugly price tag that you mention.>
OR
*Marineland Emperor 400 to add 400gph, bringing me to 563gph (which would probably drop as the BioWheel inevitable does)
<This. Actually, I'd probably recommend the Penguin 350 instead. Though I personally prefer the Emperors (unless I'm feeling lazy), the spray bars can quickly clog or grow a layer of bacteria which can significantly reduce
the flow. The Penguin doesn't have that issue, and is super easy to clean and maintain. Were I you, I'd go with the Penguin 350. Or two of them, and nix one or both powerheads if the fish dislike that much water movement.>
Honestly, I'm setting up & maintaining my reef 75gal tank w/a 20gal sump refugium is/was easier than this freshwater tank!
<Heh! Not a big surprise, really!>
I'll keep reading the FAQs, but nothing seems to pop out as being obvious.
<Hope this has been useful.>
Thanks in advance!
<You're quite welcome, George. Wishing you well, -Sabrina>

re: 75 gallon filtration, freshwater, planted w/ Oranda & Comets  9/25/09
I love you guys...thank you for the helpful & quick response!
<Welcome George! BobF> 

Goldfish... sys.  11/25/2007
Hi WetWebMedia,
About six months ago, I rescued three goldfish from a county fair. The goldfish started out about 3/4 of an inch a piece. They are currently living in a 10 gallon tank with a GREAT filter. However, my goldfish are rapidly growing and are now about 1 1/2 inches a piece. (One is closer to two) I realize that even with great filtration, a 10 gallon tank is not enough, however, my goldfish are still somewhat small. I am in the market for a new tank, but I don't know what size to buy. I was considering a 30 gallon. Would this be enough to house my goldfish? I really don't have room for anything larger, and I read that 10 gallons per adult goldfish should be adequate. I'm not quite sure on the species of the goldfish, they're just the regular kind they give away at fairs. Do you think a 30 gallon would be good? Also, what size filter should I buy, because goldfish are quite messy? (Right now I have a 20 gallon filter for my 10 gallon)
Thank you for your help!
-Carly
<Hello Carly. A 30 gallon tank would be perfect for your Goldfish. 10 gallons per Goldfish is too little space: these fish get to at least 20 cm in captivity, and potentially more than 30 cm. So A good rule of thumb is to set aside 30 gallons for the first Goldfish, and then another 10-15 gallons for each additional Goldfish. Some people would recommend more space than that, and I certainly wouldn't disagree with them. Goldfish are schooling fish and like to be kept in groups, at least a pair. The more is definitely the merrier. Instead of the fish just sitting there, as tends to happen when a single specimen is kept, pairs and trios will constantly play around, chasing each other. To some extent it depends on the variety; fancy goldfish (i.e., fish with twin tail fins) are less active than regular goldfish (i.e., fish with a single normal tail fin). Comets and traditional Goldfish are active swimmers, and the more space you give them, the better. Length of the tank is more important than depth, so if that's a factor when choosing between tanks of identical volume, go for the longer tank. As for the filter, ignore what's written on the box: manufacturers are often rather vague and/or optimistic when writing that stuff! Instead, look at the turnover of the filter. This is a measure of how much water goes through the filter. You want something that provides a turnover of not less than 4 times the volume of the tank, and ideally 6 times. So if you had a 40 gallon tank, then a filter that was 4 x 40 = 160 gallons per hour in size would be the minimum, and a filter 6 x 40 = 240 gallons per hour would the ideal. Simple as that. This number will be printed on the box somewhere, and is usually provided by retailers on their web sites as well. You don't have to use just one filter, you could simply buy another filter to go with the one you have. So long as when added together they provide enough turnover, you're fine. Cheers, Neale.>

Fancy Goldfish Info., sys.    3/3/08
Hello again crew (Bob and Salty Dog were helpful with my last SW inquiries!),
I'm in the process of "shopping" around for my next venture into the wet pet world. I have a 125 gal FOWLR down in our clubroom and am now ready to set up a fancy goldfish tank in our new living room upstairs. I've read quite a lot over the last 2 weeks and have decided on either the Oranda, Ryukin, or maybe Pearlscale. I'm trying to think "long term" and was thinking of investing in another 125 gal for the goldfish as it seems they would prefer the width and more shallow depth of this sized tank?
<A tank this size would be ideal.>
If I go with a 125 gal for them....how many could I comfortably fit?
<At least a dozen adults. Thirty gallons for the first two adults, and then about another 10 gallons for each additional fish is about right. Depends somewhat on the variety, filtration method, etc.>
I was thinking 2 but would 3 be too much? I'd like to start with young fish and watch them grow so I know the tank will look a bit bare for quite a while I'm sure. The room is somewhat formal in decor (old world Italian) and even though my husband would rather a tank with a large variety of FW....I really prefer the look and personality of the fancy goldfish.........and the varieties are just amazing!
<Big Goldfish in a spacious, not-overstocked aquarium can look amazing, especially if care is taken to use a decent filter (to stop water going cloudy) and nice decorations are used. In this setting, I'd suggest tall (3'/1 m) plastic plants in quantity together with terracotta urns, so you get something like a pond in Ancient Rome or Greece. Add some decent airstones and maybe some submersible lights, and off you go!>
Ok, now to substrate....I was looking into a gravel called Shallow Creek Pebble Gravel (25lb bags) from That Pet Place (I live about 40 min from there) and like the "natural" look of it. Would this be appropriate for the larger goldfish?
<Fine.>
I haven't figured out what do go with filtration wise but would love to hear any suggestions........
<Anything, provided not less than 6x the volume of the tank in turnover per hour. Remember, mechanical filtration really is important with these messy, herbivorous fish.>
I do know that I will be filtering the heck out of it though as I know they are "dirty" fish. A neighbor has a 55gal with? way too many) "feeder" goldfish who are now about 6+"!! She just bought a Fluval FX5 Canister Filter (925 gph) and I love how silent it is....you don't even know it's running. She's only had it a week but her water is crystal clear and she has A LOT of big fish in that tank. I was thinking of buying this unit but would an additional means of filtration be needed (like a hang on box/canister type)?
<Skip the hang on the back/internal filters; too little turnover to be worthwhile. Go with what you suggest, the big external canister, perhaps connected to a Reverse Flow undergravel filter so that detritus is pushed into the water column and sucked into the filter.>
A friend of the family who is building our fireplace mantle is going to build a custom unit for the tank so as soon as I know what size I'm getting....we'll start the design. My problem is where to start!? lol? I was thinking of having him encase the tank (so you can just view from the front) and have 2 cabinets on either side....one for supplies and the other to house a large filter of some type (maybe the Fluval) and have him drill holes for the piping and such to run behind the tank.
<A sump system would work well here, but is perhaps overkill.>
Even though I know they don't "need" light, I will probably go with something very basic for when we are in the room/entertaining etc.......and that would be attached to the lid I suppose. Should I have fans installed on either side of the "lid" so it doesn't get too warm.....or do you think that some low light fluorescents won't be much of a problem? I was thinking of just a full sized hinged top that can open all the way up for feeding/cleaning, etc. Any suggestions?
<I'd actually use a decent amount of light so you get (pretty) green algae on the ornaments and plastic plants rather than the ugly brown algae. Say, 2 Watts per gallon. Use a heater to keep the tank around 22-24C, and then add a Garra sp. algae eater of some type. I like Garra; they're pretty, not as big as Plecs, and constantly active. You might have space for multiple specimens, though in twos and threes they tend to be aggressive towards one another. Look at Garra panda, Garra flavatra and Garra cambodgiensis for example.>
And although I do generally prefer a more natural setting for fish (like mt SW tank), I don't want the hassle of live plants so we "may" go with a few artificial ones if any. And I have looked into the faux stone columns and roman looking tank decorations (I know..a bit tacky but they'd tie in with the room?? lol) and wondered if that would be ok for the larger fish> Nothing overdone.....very simple and clean is the plan.
<All fine. But I suspect garden-sized terracotta will be more effective at this size scale: at least here in England garden centres sell many different "urns" and other pots that are safe in fish tanks and once covered with green algae look really nice.>
I know this is terribly long and I'm asking more for "personal opinions" rather than having major concerns but I don't have anyone else to turn to for help. And of course...I want to do this properly....from setting up the "correct" type of tank/substrate/filters, etc...letting it cycle for the proper term, and keeping the fishies happy and healthy!
Thanks so much!
Lisa
<Hope this helps, Neale.>

Re: Fancy Goldfish Info 3/3/08
Thank you Neale for taking the time to respond to my inquiry!
<Not a problem.>
Wow......I was a bit surprised to read a dozen adults! I was thinking 2 full grown Oranda or Ryukin would be "comfortable" but maybe I will go ahead and get 3 or 4. I just can't imagine 12 big goldfish, even in a 125 gal!? They'd eat my checkbook faster than my SW fish do!?? lol
<Indeed. But fancy goldfish aren't as big or as space demanding as, say, Comets. And 125 gallons is a LOT of tank-space. Especially when you factor in some decent filtration.>
I think I will look into some ancient looking pots and such and a few artificial plants. I like the silk ones better than plastic but will goldfish pick at the silk plants in an attempt to eat them?
<The silk plants should be fine; but modern plastic plants are pretty good, especially when they have the algae on them *and* are used in bulk. I admit, once plastic plant sitting there looks kinda crummy.>
I will more than likely go with a large canister type filter (maybe the Fluval) but what is the reverse undergravel filter you spoke of?
<You set up a canister filter and an undergravel filter. But instead of putting a powerhead or airstone on the undergravel, you connect it to the OUTFLOW from the canister filter. So water is scrubbed in the canister (removing solid waste) and then the silt-free water is pushed into the gravel and up into the tank (biological filtration). The benefit is that you don't get any crud in the undergravel filter (so no "nitrate factory") and you don't have silt sitting on the bottom of the tank either, because there is a gentle flow of water pushing it off into the canister filter.>
The only thing I read about undergravel filters was something that Bob wrote about them being "old school"......maybe you're speaking of something different?
<Indeed. Reverse-flow UG filters combine the best of both worlds. The only reason they aren't more widely used is you can't combine them with plants.>
Is this something I can easily find at the LFS or is it something I need to rig up myself?
<Mostly with off-the-shelf parts. Might need a little fiddling about to get Brand X canister filter connected to Brand Y undergravel filter uplifts, but nothing beyond the wit of man.>
the concept sounds good. I initially wanted to use sand because I thought it would look nice and the "waste" from the fish would fall on top and it would be easier to clean (scoop out with a turkey baster even) but other things I have read say that it's not good with goldfish as they may inhale too much and too many gasses would get trapped in the sand.
<Sand is excellent with Goldfish and both these "problems" are myths. For a start, sand is used in tanks with fish that "earth-eat" precisely because it doesn't get swallowed or trapped in the gills; it is gravel that can cause this problem. Secondly, a thin bed of sand is zero risk of anaerobic decay, and even if you did get anaerobic decay, oxygen in the water neutralises hydrogen sulphide so quickly there danger to your fish is non existent. Odd: people accept anaerobic decay in marine tanks and ponds, but think it is dangerous in freshwater tanks!>
I have a DSB in my FOWLR marine tank but didn't know if it would be suitable for the freshwater goldfish I want to house.
<Not what I'd use in this instance, though doubtless it would work.>
I also was curious about your mention of adding an algae eater because I'm a little nervous about that due to what I've been reading. Seems that many of these like to "suck" and some eat the slower moving goldfish......have you heard of this?
<Sounds possible. Have read this, but only observed with very small algae eaters (Otocinclus spp.).>
And algae eater would help with tank maintenance I'm sure but I don't want their to be a problem in the long run for the goldfish.
<Indeed; on reflection maybe a good idea to either skip the algae eater or use something like Apple snails you know will be safe.>
Thanks again and look forward to your response.
Lisa
<Cheers, Neale.>

Re: Fancy Goldfish Info 3/3/08
Thanks Neale..........you're the best!!
<I try...>
Going with the sand.... add some apple snails I'm ready. I'll have to send pics when it's all set up and has livestock in it....
<Indeed!>
so you'll see something is say 6-8 months!! lol
Lisa :o)
<Very good. Enjoy the aquarium! Cheers, Neale.>

Filtration for 190 liters, FW, goldfish   4/19/08
Hi WWM,
I'm new to this game so please bear with me!
I am ripping my hair out about Eheim filter/s for my 190L fancy goldfish tank which we would like to put into our bedroom situated around 50-cm from my ears; when it comes!!! We are thinking of giving it a try for a month first in the bedroom (before putting the fish in)!
<Good idea; do add fish food every day or two though: this will "feed" the bacteria, and so cycle the filter for you perfectly.>
I am a light sleeper and need a deadly quiet filter/s plus worried about the smell!
<A properly maintained aquarium has no smell. Smells come from decaying things. So if you smell something = fish tank is dirty! I have had fish tanks in my bedroom. Not a problem. Use a good external filter. Adjust the outflow so the water "ripples" but does not splash. Completely silent!>
The guy at the fish-shop suggests the pro 2 2028, but I'm not sure if it is a good idea to put all my eggs in one basket! I think it's better to have two on the go. I have a classic 2211 ultra silent on my 60L but is a bit of a pain for cleaning reasons & getting the top off.
So these are my suggestions:
1: 1x 2026 pro 2 plus 1x 2224 pro 1
2: 1x 2028 pro 2 plus 1x 2211 classic
3: 1x 2217 classic plus 1X 2211 classic
It's for my 2 fancy goldfish in 60L tank, one with swimming problems & stunted growth and there two babies six months old in 20L tank.
<Any of these should work.>
Turn over 5 times an hour minimum, I think! My fish are messy, maybe due to overfeeding.
<So: cut back on food! Goldfish need little food. Turnover of 5 times is good for Goldfish. I'd even say 6 is best! Big filter = less the filter needs cleaning, and the cleaner the water. Spend a little more money, but save a lot more time! A good filter lasts many, many years.>
I would like to alternate cleaning. With the 2211 I'm worried I will be cleaning it every 2 min.s including pipes! eek
<I clean my canister filters once every 2 months! Some of my friends every 6 months! Take care to remove dirt from the aquarium when you see it, with weekly water changes of 50%.>
Another problem one of my fancies has a swimming problem so the flow has to be reasonable.
<Also put plastic plants in one or two corners. In nice clumps. These will break the water flow, and create a gentle area for the fish to rest. Rocks and wood can be used in the same way.>
So if you have any suggestions for the filter plus your thoughts on fish-tanks in the bedroom i.e smell & noise! I will be so so happy.
P.S This is becoming an obsession 24/24
<Yes, it can be so!>
Thanks a lot
Jeanette
<Bon chance, Neale.>

Re: filtration for 190 liters   4/20/08
Hi Neale,
Thanks for the speedy reply!
I really appreciate your help - I don't know where us "rookies" would be without internet sites like yours.
<You are most welcome!>
Anyhow I've opted for the full on 2028 even though it intimidates me a bit & run this along with the 2211 until I can afford to upgrade the 2211 to a 2215.
<The Eheim 2028 offers 1050 litres per hour; for a 190 litre aquarium it should be plenty, even by itself.>
What do you think?
<A good choice.>
For the 2028, I've heard a few moans & groans that it's not as good as it's made out to be.
<Eheim filters generally have a good reputation. I've used both Fluval and Eheim filters over the years and had good experiences with both of them. In general, if either type rattles or makes odd noises, even when set up properly, assume it is "broken" and demand a replacement. Both manufacturers make filters that are silent and easy to use. The Eheim 2211 and Eheim 2215 filters are "old school" in design, but work extremely well. I see no real advantage to upgrading the Eheim 2211 you already have (300 litres per hour) to the Eheim 2215 (600 l/h) if you are buying the Eheim 2028 as well. You already have more than 6 times the volume of the tank in turnover per hour (1050 from the Eheim 2028 + 300 from the Eheim 2211). That should be ample for Goldfish.>
Just curious - do you have any experience with this pro 11 & what would be your personal choice out of the batch I've suggested?
<No personal experience. To be honest, I tend to choose the filter that is best value at the time I go shopping. I balance my needs against price, and then choose.>
I don't want to make any other mistakes. I think I've gone through the lot!
<Agreed!>
Happy fish & a good nights sleep is what I'm aiming for.
Thanks again & have a great weekend
Jeanette
<Good luck, Neale.>

Goldfish shut off the undergravel filter? Eats shoots and leaves...  7/14/06
Hello,
<<Hi. Tom with you.>>
I read on your web site that undergravel filters are not recommended for goldfish.
<<Goldfish in particular because of their "messiness" but the recommendation holds for other species as well. I, and others, have addressed this one before but it may bear repeating. We don't recommend against this style of filter because it doesn't work. They can/do work quite well, in fact. The two primary causes for concern, however, is that these MUST cover the entire bottom of the tank and they MUST be maintained properly. When the first admonition is ignored or misapplied, pockets of detritus/mulm can build up in the "unfiltered" areas leading to potentially toxic levels of nitrates in the tank. Also, when not properly maintained, the same situation may arise should the filter plate(s) become clogged and left untended. This one may sound like a case of "pilot error" rather than the fault of the filter and, while we wouldn't argue that point, there are just too many good alternatives available to aquarists to justify the use of a style of filter that has led to a great many problems including otherwise "mysterious" deaths of livestock.>>
I have a 46 gallon tank with 2 medium Orandas and 1 Ryukin. Currently I have an undergravel filter and a TetraTec PF500 power filter. I am considering shutting the undergravel filter off. I have a hot magnum filter that I could use to clean the gravel with prior to shut down and then reload with carbon to assist filtration during the transition. Do you have any advice or feedback?
<<Your plan sounds fine and will eliminate potential problems down the road. Why run the risk?>>
Thanks!
<<Any time. Tom>>

Small fantail goldfish with big filter  2/12/07
Hi,
<<Hello, Quang. Tom with you.>>
I am a beginner and I learned a lot from your web site.  Thank you.
<<You’re most welcome and I’m glad to hear we’ve been of help to you.>>
I have a 30 gallon tank (cube), and I plan to use Fluval 305 for it: since goldfish can be quite messy.
<<Very true. 30 gallons is a good size, by the way.>>
I also plan to have 2 to 4 small fantail goldfish in it.  I wonder if the filter is too much for small goldfish.  
<<Keep the number of Goldfish to two, Quang. The filter you suggest will be fine for these fish. The flow from the output tube can be regulated by the shutoff handle if you feel that it’s too much for the fish. Simply lift it up a little to slow the flow down. (I have the 304 model and this works very well.)>>
Or should I go for 205 model (which is recommended up to 40 gals)?
<<I’d prefer that you use more filtration rather than less. Small Goldfish won’t stay “small”. It’s better to have the larger filter.>>
Thank you very much,
Quang.
<<You’re very welcome. Tom>>

Filters--question in general then specific to goldfish  - 2/11/2006
Hi WWM,
<Katie>
I'm planning a 29-gallon goldfish tank (2-3 fancies).  I read in your goldfish care article that wet/dry and trickle filters are not recommended, that power filters are recommended.  What category does a BioWheel fall  into?
<An outside, hang-on power filter...>
I kind of thought it was a wet/dry (I guess I thought it was a  trickle too, since water "trickles" over the wheel!), but the Penguins are in  the power filter category in online stores, so I'm confused.
<The BioWheels are basically Penguins with a wheel added>
Also, would  you mind recommending a particular filter for 2-3 goldfish in a 29-gallon  setup?
<The Penguin would be close to ideal>
  Having only an Eclipse right now, I'm not very filter-savvy, and  would appreciate your advice.  I was thinking of just getting the 29-gal  Eclipse and calling it a day, but I don't want to make that decision based  on my "fear of the unknown"!
Thank you,
Katie
<The Eclipse can be made to work here... with limiting feeding, keeping low stocking level as you propose, and weekly water changes in conjunction with gravel vacuuming... Bob Fenner>

Goldfish Filtration - 03/18/2006
I would like to take the best possible care of my treasured Orandas. These fish are like members of the family to me. I would die if anything bad ever happened to them. I just have a few quick questions.
1.)What brand of filter and size is the best for my goldfish since they produce so much waste? Currently I have a 29 gallon with two power filters on it. One is a 40 gallon TopFin and the other is a Marineland 40 gallon Bio Wheel. I add the Ammo Chips to it to absorb ammonia. I also have a 20 gallon tank with a 30 gallon Tetra Whisper Power Filter. By the way, I did have a Bio Wheel on the 20 gallon, but it was too noisy in my bedroom, and I also didn't like it as the only filter because I can't add media to it. The other tank is in the living room so it doesn't matter. I heard that Bio Wheels are the best and to get double the gallons of what your tank actually holds. If Bio Wheels are the best, then I will go buy one and get used to it because I want the best for them. Also, how much aeration is recommended for goldies?
Each tank has a foot long bubble bar.
< The best filter is the one that is the easiest to service. Filters collect waste from the system but you need to remove it from the system. I really do like the Bio-Wheel technology on the Marineland filters. The Marineland Penguin Model 200 pumps up to 200 gph and has an additional basket for adding filter media. Take the cartridge out once a week and give a good shot from the nozzle of a garden hose and you are back in business in no time. With these filters you do not need a additional bubble wand.>
2.)What is the best goldfish food? I feed mine Hikari Gold and HBH brand both sinking pellets. I read really great reviews on a food only available from Goldfish Connection called Pro Gold and I want to order it.
What do y'all think?
<  There are lots of foods out there. Breeders may use foods that are higher in protein to promote spawning and increase egg production. Many foods are very messy and are designed for fish kept in large systems. I am always trying out new foods all the time. Order the smallest quantity you can and try it. You can always go back.>
3.)What is the best ammonia removing chemical? I am using Amquel, but I have read a lot about AmmoLock on your site.
< Bacteria that convert ammonia to nitrites and then to nitrates are the best way to go. They work all the time and are never exhausted or quit. I use White Diamond from Marineland but really don't use or need it that often. The other products work very well too. I just have a preference for a product that works well for my particular water and fish.>
4.)I test my water at least once a week at PetSmart and my ammonia is always safe, but the nitrates are high. How can I keep nitrates down? Are there any good chemicals? I change 20% of the water about every 10 days. I plan to increase water changes to 25% every week after doing some research.
The pH was also only 6.0 in the 30 gallon tank! I think that's bad, what do I do? I was going to buy the pH up by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals, but I don't know if that's the best. Will a sudden increase in pH shock them?
< Reduce nitrates with water changes. Clean the filter, change water and vacuum the gravel more often. I have not found any chemicals that really work over a long time to reduce nitrates. Fill a 5 gallon bucket with tap water and test it. Bring the ph up to 7 in the bucket and let it sit for 24 hours. Check it again the next day. If it is still at seven then you can use this water for changing water. Never change the pH directly in the aquarium with fish. Always change it in a separate container first and make sure it is stable. After a few water changes the pH will gradually move up to 7 and stay stabile.>
5.)Are there any scavengers that eat poop? I know that sounds gross, but I would like to keep the tanks as clean as possible. I do vacuum my gravel once a month.
< Vacuum the gravel more often. Snails and weather loaches will eat any leftover food and may keep the sand cleaner.>
This is nothing urgent. I have had my 30 gallon tank very successfully for about a year. The 20 gallon is only about 6 weeks old. I have always wondered if I am taking the best possible care I can of my goldies. If there is something I could be doing better, I would love to know. I greatly appreciate your time and your website. Happy St. Patty's Day! Thanks so much,
Adrienne N. Duque
< If all aquarists were like you we would probably not be needed here at WWM.-Chuck>

Submersible pumps, goldfish sys.    3/31/06
Dear Crew,
  I have a 29 gallon Wal-Mart tank that used to house a variety of fish.  Due to a bit of a catastrophe, I am down to 4 goldfish.
<This is or will be too many for this volume...>
I have an undergravel filter that is powered by a noisy pump that vibrates the shelf it is on, and also the wall the shelf is on.
<There are quiet/er pumps available... you may want to look outside Wal-Mart>
  There are two air tubes leading from my pump to my filter.  I purchased a Rio 600 submersible pump to power my filter and please my husband (who keeps unplugging the pump because it annoys him.)  Unfortunately, I cannot figure out how to hook the Rio pump up to run my filter set up.  
<Mmm, it may not be able to... but you might ask that annoyed spouse to look into flexible tubing that will fit on the discharge of the Rio, a "tee" to split the flow and tubing and small/er pieces possibly to adapt to the (currently) discharge pipes of the UG filter... to make this a "reverse flow" set up... do make sure to screen the pump intake, as goldfish et al. can be sucked up against these>
Do I need an adapter of some sort or a different pump?  Thank you for your time, Kathy
<Can adapt the Rio... or look for another less noisome air pump... but really, for goldfish, and this tank, a hang-on power filter with removable sponges, pockets for using/changing activated carbon, regular/weekly water changes is about ideal... I would look into this and change all myself. Bob Fenner>

Re: Submersible pumps, goldfish sys.    4/4/06
> Dear Crew,
>  I have a 29 gallon Wal-Mart tank that used to house a variety of fish.  Due to a bit of a catastrophe, I am down to 4 goldfish.
> <This is or will be too many for this volume...>
> I have an undergravel filter that is powered by a noisy pump that vibrates the shelf it is on, and also the wall the shelf is on.
> <There are quiet/er pumps available... you may want to look outside Wal-Mart>
>  There are two air tubes leading from my pump to my filter.   I purchased a Rio 600 submersible pump to power my filter and please my husband (who keeps unplugging the pump because it annoys him.)   Unfortunately, I cannot figure out how to hook the Rio pump up to run my filter set up.
> <Mmm, it may not be able to... but you might ask that annoyed spouse to look into flexible tubing that will fit on the discharge of the Rio, a "tee" to split the flow and tubing and small/er pieces possibly to adapt to the (currently) discharge pipes of the UG filter... to make this a "reverse flow" set up... do make sure to screen the pump intake, as goldfish et al. can be sucked up against  these>
> Do I need an adapter of some sort or a different pump?  Thank you for your time, Kathy
> <Can adapt the Rio... or look for another less noisome air pump...
> but really, for goldfish, and this tank, a hang-on power filter with removable sponges, pockets for using/changing activated carbon, regular/weekly water changes is about ideal... I would look into this and change all myself. Bob Fenner>
>  Thank you for all your help and information.  I may try to set up the Rio, or just find a quieter outside pump.  I have a hang on filter on the tank now and had recently added the undergravel because the hang on couldn't keep up with the load.  But then I forgot that my son had played with the plants in the dishwater and put them back in and killed most of my fish. I still run the pump for the air stone if I'm not running the undergravel just to keep some circulation, so  I will need to find a quieter solution!!  I appreciate all the assistance!!!!  Thank you, Kathy
<Do look into hang-on power filter options here... Bob Fenner>

Filtering and Tank size  12/24/05
Hi there, I have a small white fantail goldfish but am having some difficulty with his tank.
The tank is a 18x9x10.
He's a year old now and sadly his tank mate died after having swim bladder problems so he's all alone.
<No worries. Goldfishes don't get/feel lonely...>
I take a pint of water out and replace it with a fresh pint each week and feed him once a day.
<Mmm, better to change a bit more out, feed twice daily. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/gldfshsystems.htm>
My problem lie's with the filter I bought a few months ago. It is  what the pet shop recommended me for the tank size but when I got is up and  running it was blowing him about everywhere. In the end he just swims against  the current
or hides in his treasure chest. I went back to the pet shop and  explained what was going on and was told that it was quite normal and the fish  would get used to it.
<Mmm, am not so sure here... some current, circulation is useful, but there are limits>
Its been quite a few months now and I only switch it on for a hour or  two each day because I can't stand the sight of my fish swirling about. It's  just a shame.
Is this ok?
<No...>
The pet shop said his filter should be on 24 hours a day  but I really don't think he could handle that all the time. The filter is the smallest I can get and is on the lowest setting. Is it possible to not use  it at all?
<I would trade this filter in... talk with someone else at the shop... perhaps the owner or manager... there are small/er hang on units that do a good job for this size (about ten gallons) and type system>
I was told that all fish need a filter whether you change the  water on not, did they only say this to sell me it?
Thank you, Steff
<Do speak with someone else at your LFS. Bob Fenner>

Filtration for Big Pond Fish in a tank
Hello, I bought a used 150 gallon tank for over-wintering my pond fish, a 12 inch goldfish and a 15 inch koi. The tank came with a UGF, a Magnum 350 and an Emperor 400. I have been using 3 400gph powerheads on the UGF and am running a HOT Magnum with bio media. I vacuum the gravel once a week and change 30% of the water, but cannot seem to stay ahead of the accumulation of waste.
<Good protocol... but these are messy fishes... I would cut way back on feeding... especially if the water is cool>
I had hoped to be able to rotate cleaning the filters so they were cleaned every four weeks, but they have been clogging in just 2 weeks.
<I would clean one or the other every week, when you do your gravel vacuuming/water changes>
These fish will go into a 400 gal stock tank with my water lilies in another 6 weeks, but I would appreciate suggestions to help me next winter. Do I need more, or different, filtration? Should I vacuum the gravel and siphon water more often? Or do I need another approach altogether? Thank you very much. Kerry
<You might want to add a couple of large size in-tank air-driven "corner filters"... with "wool" (Dacron floss) and activated carbon... otherwise, your set-up is about ideal... Some folks would caution you against the UG use... but if you're changing water as you state, and your source water has sufficient alkaline reserve (buffer), I think this is fine. Bob Fenner>   

Filtration for Big Pond Fish in a tank - II
Hi Bob, Thanks for the quick reply, the suggestions and the encouragement. What is the concern about using the UGF?  For several years I kept a 75 gal tetra tank and used the UGF plus 2 HOT Magnum Filters, so I assumed I should use the UGF on this tank. 
<Ah, times change... am still a big fan of this technology... for some applications. Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/ug5proscons.htm >
I will purchase corner filters for use next year, thanks for that idea. I am using AquaClear powerheads and they make a Quick Filter attachment for them. Would it be feasible to disconnect the powerheads from the UGF and use them with the Quick Filters stuffed with floss? 
<Mmm, not practically... much better to use air... added benefits of aeration... Look at the Tetra Luft pumps for best value here>
Once the fish go outside I will have the summer to play with the setup. Thanks again,
Kerry
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>   

Goldfish System Filtration
Hello There!
Wondering if you guys can steer me to the proper canister filter for our 75 gallon bowfront aquarium. This aquarium has been up and running for 4 months. It houses 5 Fancy Goldfish ranging in sizes 2-5 inches. The aquarium has cycled. Yes, I know that Goldfish are messy :-)  The problem lies with the fact that I am now having to change the water (this is a 70% change) twice a week in order to have anything resembling clean water for these fish. We are presently using a Fluval 404 canister filter.
<Just one? I would have used at least two for a standard community tank. For goldfish, I really like to use trickle filters if possible.>
Filter media (floss) is changed on a rotating schedule a day after the water change. Half of the media is changed, sponges are squeezed out in the tank water.
<The water changes are helping, but removing and disturbing your filtration is not. Even tough you are under filtered, all of this "maintenance" has got to be wreaking havoc on your nitrifying bacteria.>
Tank is vacuumed every water change! I truly have stopped over feeding, as I did at first. Lights are on about 9-10 hours daily.  So, we are figuring that the Fluval filter is not the proper filter for our setup.
<I agree.>
To be fair, I understand it is made to work below the tank, and we have it set up beside the tank. Our tank sits on the hearth about 5 inches off the floor, with the canister beside it.
<This is both a plus and a minus. The reduced head pressure should make the pump's work easier and increase the flow, but it will make it harder to clear the air out of the canister.>
With the tank covering the fireplace opening, there is no type of hang on filter we can use. There is A LOT of air trapped constantly in the Fluval, although we are constantly messing with it. We were thinking of switching to an Eheim canister, the biggest they make! It would be another enormous expense, and as much as we are enjoying the fish, the every other day chores (water change or filter change) are getting exhausting and I don't want to put money into something else that is not going to work out. Sorry if this is so long!
<No worries>
Do you have any recommendations on what we are doing wrong,
<Yes to the water changes, with perhaps being able to cut back to one per week of about 50%, but with 5 goldfish in a 72 you are going to have to perform large frequent water changes. It is the filter itself and your cleaning of it that is hurting you. I would add a second canister filter, as that is all you could add due to placement, and I would clean each filter less. Once per month for each, one every other week on alternate schedules.>
and if the Eheim would work for us?

<Yes, in combination with your Fluval.>
Thanks much for your time! ~Robyn~
<I do want to mention that you should be applauded for your incredible efforts thus far. Few people are willing to put in the amount of time and effort you have done. -Steven Pro> 

Fun with Your Goldfish - Revisited
Hi!
<Hello again, Eitan!>
I have two Veil-Tails and two Shubunkins in an aquarium, <Still in the same size tank (8gUK)?  I cannot stress how much these guys need large volumes of water....>
I have heard that you can teach goldfish to follow your finger along the glass. Do you know of any methods that I would be able to teach them to do this?
<Indeed.  Just get them to start accepting food from your fingers during feeding time, and get them to the point where they'll take the food from you even when your fingers are mostly in the water.  Soon, they'll associate fingers with food, and will follow your fingers quite gladly, hoping to get some food out of 'em, even through the glass.>
In addition, I have made a (fish-safe) hoop for them to swim through but they seem to be ignoring it! Are there any ways to tempt them to go through it?!
<I hate to break it to you, but goldfish really aren't that bright.  In fact, they're pretty dumb.  If it doesn't involve food, they're not interested.>
Also, the Veil Tails sometimes swim to the top and it looks like they stick their mouth's out of the water and breath the air.
<Very likely they're just looking for food - but it could be due to a lack of oxygenation, as well.  If in doubt, add an air stone to the tank.>
I use a Fluval 1 plus filter
<Regardless of your tank size, this is vastly under-filtered for four goldfish.  As I said in our previous email, these are MESSY fish.  Simply said, they poop a lot.  Weekly water changes (or more often than that, even, in such a small tank with such a heavy bioload), infrequent feedings, and heavy filtration are a very serious must.  Goldfish really need to have 10-15 US gallons per fish to be easily maintained.>
and add a biological supplement and an Easy Balance product to neutralize the pH and reduce ammonia and nitrate levels every week, so I think the water should be clean.
<Adding chemicals without doing water changes really isn't a good idea.  When you do water changes, you should use a dechlorinator.  Goldfish are tolerant of a very large range of pH, so keeping it steady at whatever comes out of your tap is more important than trying to keep changing it to 7.0.  Please do very frequent water changes, vacuum the gravel when you do them, and get a much stronger filter - I prefer the hang-on-the-back types, myself, and I believe you'd find them very easy filters to use/maintain.  And most of all, I cannot stress how important it is to aim for a much larger aquarium soon.>
Thank you very much for your help and I am sorry to take up your time, Eitan, London
<No prob.  -Sabrina> 

Undergravel filtration, and funky water quality
Dear fish saviors,
<Good afternoon, Kaz - Sabrina here with you this lovely (rainy) lunch hour>
I've had a long and generally successful fishkeeping career but this year 2 of my goldfish died (at ages 19 and 17 years old).
<Oh my.  What a loss.  I'm so sorry to hear that.>
Only one sad survivor was left. I was away, the water went 'off' and they died :( Anyway, I worked hard to stabilize the tank with the Lone Black Moor (who had some scars, general poor condition, floating prob.s etc). He came good and after a few months I got LBM some friends - a small comet and a small fantail. My problems came back. The new guys were hungry all the time and I am guilty of giving in to their shameless begging.
<Just say 'no'! to fish obesity ;) >
Also I changed fish food on advice of LFS (sinking pellets, 34% protein) and am not sure if this has contributed to the instability.
<And what were you feeding with before?  Do your guys get any vegetable matter?>
LBM seemed happier and with more energy but developed two little white spotty bits on his head. These then seem to have gone away (I treated with fungal cure) but he has a new one further back on his head.
<Can you describe this in a bit further detail? Do the spots stick out? Or are they pits?  Are they fuzzy looking?  Waxy looking?  Look like cauliflower?  How big are they?>
After uncontrollable pH problems I checked with LFS and changed my filtration system (from charcoal and wool type filter to undergravel filtration).  
<Filtration isn't very directly related to pH swings (except as far as organic materials building up), I can't imagine why they told you to switch....>
But my question is (I know it’s very naive but..) how do I keep it clean? I have used the gravel siphon cleaner thingee and have done a 25% water change since I got the UGF two weeks ago but my plants are disintegrating.
<Argh.  UGF and live plants do *not* play well together, and there's not much of a way to make 'em work out.  Your only plant species is elodea, correct?  Perhaps try letting it float only, and see if it grows any better.>
We work in centimetres and litres here in Australia
<I wish we did, too!>
so I'm not sure of how many gallons but tank is 24inches x 12inches x 12inches. It is certainly not overcrowded, with the LBM and his two new little friends and the plants are (or were) Elodea.
<Okay, I do believe that's about 15 US gallons.  I usually recommend goldfish to be kept in tanks where they'll have 15-20 gallons per fish; they are hefty waste producers, and can foul the water very, very quickly.  Three goldfish in a 15g aquarium with an undergravel filter.... well, I can guess that in short order, you'll have some serious nitrate problems, possibly other water quality issues, even with the best maintenance possible.>
How do I clean the crud which I assume is collecting under the plastic UGF tray???
<Wonderful question.  I've heard using silicone air hose fed down the lift tube(s) and siphoning from there will help get some of the grunge out.>
Should I go easy on the gravel siphon thingee?
<Gosh, no.  Vacuum like a madman.  And slap that wet/dry filter back on the tank, too.  Then when you vacuum your gravel, let the filter cartridge stay in the filter so you've got plenty of bacterial life still around. Probably only vacuum about half the tank each time, as well.>
Did another partial change today and the fish are happy and starving but there are lots of floaty bits of plant matter still in there. Should I siphon these out?
<Yes, absolutely.  Dead, decaying plant matter will contribute to ammonia problems just as will fish waste.>
When I do water changes I use Cycle, ammonia treatment,
<Skip the ammonia remover, unless you're registering ammonia on your ammonia test - oho, I should mention/ask that you should be testing for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH - if you don't, please do get yourself a kit, so you can have a better grip on your water quality.  And far better than using ammonia remover schtuff is to simply do more frequent water changes.>
pH stabilizer,
<What's the pH out of your tap?  It's far more important to keep pH stable than to keep affecting it chemically; goldfish are very pH tolerant, so if your tap water’s anywhere close to decent, they'll be fine without pH altering chemicals.>
StressZyme, Tristart chlorine and chloramine remover. I let the water sit for 24hours, make sure the temp is the same etc.
<Wonderful.>
My main concern is that I found out from your site that UGF require lots of work but what type of work? Can you let me know what I need to do to keep my friends happy?
<Mostly the weekly vacuuming of gravel, jamming air hose down lift tubes.  UGFs must be cleaned thoroughly and religiously, lest all that waste building up in the gravel begin to poison the fish.  If it is in any way possible whatsoever, please, please try to get a larger tank for these fellas.  Believe me, they'll thank you for it.  Wishing you and your scaly pals well,  -Sabrina>
Cheers, Kaz 

Undergravel filtration, and funky water quality - take two
Thanks, Sabrina,
Will head off and get the testing kit today.
<Wonderful!  Try to get a liquid reagent type kit, the test 'strips' that you just dip in the water can be grossly inaccurate.>
I suppose what puzzles me is how come I could keep the same number of goldfish (and same type) in the same tank for 8 years (since the last fish arrived) with little problem - long living and happy fish - and now everything's going wrong??  
<Likely you going away and the water turning south started your problems.  These are really, really messy, waste producing fish, and in such a small tank, missing even one regular water change will result in a buildup of waste toxic enough to kill them.  Hence the major reason I usually recommend 15-20 US gallons per goldfish, there's SO much more room for error in a larger tank.>
The white spots on the remaining old fish are small and very white, about large pinhead size, they seem to stick out and after a few days just fade to nothing.
<This sounds like either Lymphocystis or fish pox, both of which can be found in goldfish from time to time.  Lymphocystis is kinda cauliflower-like in appearance, whereas fish pox looks rather waxy.  Both are viral infections, and there is no treatment.  Fortunately, neither are often fatal.  Just maintain the best water quality you can, with regular water changes and testing, and he should be fine.>
Apart from plants in the tank I don't give them any veggies - should I?  Thanks!  Kaz
<Couldn't hurt.  Mine adore unsalted canned peas (rinse, and squeeze the inside of the pea out of the shell).  Blanched zucchini is another good one.  Lots of goodies out there for them, but just the Elodea will do, if necessary.  Best wishes to you,  -Sabrina> 

Goldfish, meet Filter.
Hey
A couple of days ago my fantail goldfish was partially sucked up in the filter (that filter was replaced so the incident would not happen to the other fish in the tank).  
<Ouch!>
A lot of his fins were sucked off and only the ridges are left of the tail, the small "threadlike" things that run through the tail and hold the webbing I think.  
<The 'rays', yes.>
He's been isolated and seems to be doing better, I know his tail will grow back but I'm not sure how long I need to keep him in isolation (I don't want the others to pick on him while he's still trying to recover).  
<Until he is back to normal, or nearly so, I would keep him separate, for sure.>
By reading some of the FAQs I learned that I should put in some medication to help him heal but I'm not sure what it is or how much.  
<I have found Kanamycin and/or Nitrofurazone to be quite useful in treating fin rot, and preventing/eliminating bacterial infection.  Aquatronics manufactures these as "Kanacyn" (Kanamycin sulfate) and "Spectrogram" (Nitrofurazone/Kanamycin combo).>
Also, I am at college and have to go home soon, I can't leave the fish in my dorm because there is no one to check in on them and all sorts of maintenance work has to be done to the room over the month long break, so I need to take them home with me.  What is the best way to transport all of them and especially the weak one?  Its a four and half hour drive, and I'm not quite sure the way to give them the most stress free ride.  
<I have transported fish long-distance (four days' travel, at the longest) using Styrofoam crates lined with clean, unscented, watertight trash bags, filled partway with aquarium water (and treated tapwater as necessary), and aerated with battery-operated aerators.  For a (comparably) short drive such as yours, you could probably get by quite well with a large bucket with a battery-operated aerator.  A five gallon bucket filled halfway would do nicely; keep it covered so it'll be dark for the fish.  The sick fish, if still undergoing treatment, should be transported in a separate container.  Try to avoid bumps, don't drive like a maniac, etc., etc., and always wear your seatbelt ;) >
Appreciate your advice,  Jessie Howard
<Hope all goes well,  -Sabrina> 

Keeps Killing Biological Filter
I have a ten gallon tank containing three average size goldfish, one large goldfish and an average black moor. For the past several weeks I've found that they've been gasping for air at the top of the tank. Several times, the goldfish have developed red marks on their faces. Each time I've done either a partial or total water change and cleaned the sides of the tank. Afterwards, the gasping stops for two to three days and then continues with a transparent brown film on the sides of the tank and gravel. I've tried parasite treatment, ick treatment, algae treatment and anything else I've come by. Any advice at all would be appreciated. I can't stand seeing my fish like this.
< Check the nitrates. Your filter should be turning the water over at least 3 times an hour. Goldfish in general are pretty messy so you may need more, especially in a ten gallon tank. I suspect that the biological filter is having a tough time keeping up and is slowly converting the ammonia to nitrites. A slow conversion may have led to elevated levels of ammonia and have started burning the gills, thus the red on the face. I would recommend a filter that you can easily service, make sure there is no left over food after every feeding. and to check the nitrates so you can establish a regular water changing schedule and not have to wait until the fish are so stressed that they are gathering at the surface of the water.-Chuck> 






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