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Stress or not happy with
food? Pangasiid incomp., FW stkg. period/hex tanks 1/24/10
I just revamped my tropical tank.
<Oh?>
New (plastic) plants, new decorations and reintroduced all the fish at
the same time in an effort to reduce stress. I have provided as many
hiding places as possible for my fish.
<Sounds promising.>
It's a 55-gallon hex tank,
<Do be aware these are generally not good choices, and in terms of
stocking a hexagonal aquarium of 55 gallons will only hold the same
number of fish as, say, a 30 gallon rectangular one. Why? Because of
surface are to volume ratio. A hexagonal tank this size has the same
volume but lower surface area than a 55 gallon rectangular one. Less
oxygen can dissolve into the water, and less CO2 can diffuse out. I
don't recommend hexagonal, spherical or any other shaped aquarium other
than a low, long rectangle. Sometimes, old school is the best!>
I keep the water at 78 degrees and have a Penguin filter that I keep two
cartridges in at all times. (Done to increase the amount of carbon to
help keep the water clear.)
<Actually, carbon only removes dissolved organic chemicals, the stuff
that makes water tinted yellow over time. It has zero benefit in terms
of removing solid particles such as silt that make water cloudy. Indeed,
it's rather better to take out the carbon and replace with filter floss
if silty water is a problem. In most freshwater tanks, carbon is
redundant.
Manufacturers sell the stuff happily, given how massively overpriced it
is, but me, I prefer to save my pennies.>
The water is still a little cloudy from the water change I did
yesterday, but it's clearing up as expected.
<Indeed.>
In the tank we have a Plecostomus (about four to five inches in length -
the giant one we traded in because I didn't need both of them in the
tank),
<Has no place in a tank this size/shape.>
two small Cory catfish and an incandescent shark.
<Corydoras should be in groups of 5+ specimens of each species, and an
Iridescent Shark (Pangasius hypophthalmus) has absolutely no place in
this aquarium. Given its maximum length is well over 120 cm (more than 4
feet)
I'd strongly argue this fish shouldn't even be in the fish trade. Sure,
most specimens in aquaria don't get that big. That's because they
usually end up dead first. But the lucky survivors still get to a good
60 cm (2 feet) or more in length, and public aquaria really are fed up
with taking unwanted specimens. On top of that, this is a schooling,
riverine species that needs to be kept in groups in a spacious aquarium.
In small tanks -- and yours is TINY by the standards of the species --
this fish ends up throwing itself against the glass, damaging its eyes.
Many, MANY specimens are blind precisely because of this (and needless
to say, with a beaten up head and cloudy eyes, pretty ugly looking as
well).>
Obviously those are our cleaner fish.
<NO such beast. If you imagine any fish, ANY FISH, will make an aquarium
cleaner, it's time to do some reading. Think about it. Adding fish adds
the amount of food you need to add. That fish defecates, meaning there's
more silt. That fish excretes ammonia, so there's more work for the
biological filter. That ammonia becomes nitrite and then nitrate,
feeding algae. So the tank becomes more algae-ridden. In every possible
way, adding fish makes tanks dirtier. End of story.>
The rest of the tank holds two Mickey Mouse platys, two sunset platys,
one female Betta, one Dalmatian molly and five tetras.
<Finally, some fish that make sense. I'd argue the Molly is better in a
community where adding marine salt mix is an option, but I'll let that
pass for now. These are small fish that would be happy in a tank your
size and shape.>
So far it seems like everyone gets along,
<So far...>
though I admit my female Betta is a little ticked off since she used to
rule the roost (it used to just be her, the Corys and the Pleco). But
she's doing pretty well, she just sort of chases the others around
checking them out, but I haven't noticed any aggressive behavior on her
part.
<Fine.>
I noticed today when I fed them, that the platys would take the food in
their mouths and then immediately spit it back out. It's tropical
flakes, it's what the people at the pet store said to feed them. (Which,
from what I've seen on your site isn't the right thing to be feeding
them.)
<Indeed. While flakes are fine up to a point, these are herbivores, and
their diet should include as a staple Spirulina flake, plus things liked
cooked peas and Sushi Nori. It won't kill them giving them flake, but
offer them the green foods too. Usually, tetras ignore Spirulina flake,
but catfish happily eat it. Indeed, Corydoras eat a lot of algae in the
wild.>
Are they spitting it out because they don't like the food, or is it
because they are still stressed after the water change I did yesterday?
<Unlikely because they're "unhappy" about the water change, but check
water quality. If you have added a bunch of fish all at once, or were
too aggressive when it came to cleaning the biological media in a mature
filter, you could have higher than zero ammonia and nitrite levels. This
would explain their odd behaviour. Also check the flake isn't stale.
Open pots last about 6-8 weeks in a dry climate before they lose their
savour.
Don't buy huge pots expecting them to last all year. If you must, decant
small portions from a big tub into a small pot, and store the big tub in
an airtight container somewhere cool and dry (just like you'd do with
any dried human food, like cereal). Next up, offer a variety. Fish get
as fed up with the same thing every day as you would. Once a week offer
live brine shrimps or wet-frozen bloodworms. Finely chopped (raw) fish
fillet or seafood is good too. Don't add anything from warm blooded
animals though:
no meat, no chicken, and no dairy. While fish will often eat these
things, with a very few exceptions, in the long term such foods cause
problems.
Shredded beef heart and hard boiled egg yolk are the two main
exceptions. On the other hand, all sorts of plants foods can be tried,
including softened vegetables like courgette, spinach, lettuce and
cucumber.>
Should I worry - or are they actually getting some of the food despite
some of it coming back out?
<If it is still occurring within a couple days, yes, be concerned.
Certainly check water quality now. Platies need hard, basic water (10+
degrees dH, pH 7.5-8) with 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite. They actually prefer
slightly cool water, around 22-25 C. Do review the needs of fish prior
to purchase, and choose species with similar requirements.>
They all swim all over the tank (except for the molly, she hangs out
near the top, and she's pregnant, so I'm not surprised by this behavior)
<Could be unhappy; review "the Shimmies" and be aware of the VERY
specific needs Mollies have for long term health.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollies.htm
Most folks keep 'em wrong, and so end up with sick Mollies.>
- so I think they are all healthy. I'd just like to head off any
potential problems to keep them from getting sick in the future. I'm an
amateur, so I don't know everything, but I'm trying to do what's best
for the fish ... I hate to see animals suffer, be they marine or not!
<Quite right! I applaud your philosophy here.>
Thanks for the help!
Trysh
<Happy to be of help. Good luck, Neale.>
Re: Stress or not happy with
food?
Neale, thanks for the advice.
<Pleasure.>
Wow, I thought I was doing better ... but I guess I still have a lot to
learn!!
<As do we all.>
I would prefer a rectangular tank, but I inherited the 55-gallon hex and
you know, when we're talking a free setup, you take what you can get.
<Indeed. But it's also true that if you do inherit a tank like this, you
understand the limitations, and choose fish accordingly.>
I would like to clarify one thing - the shark is an incandescent shark
catfish. It's not the iridescent shark you referred to. :)
<Exactly the same fish. Pangasius hypophthalmus. Google the Latin name,
and take a look. Indeed, Wikipedia has a photo of this fish alongside
the common name you used.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iridescent_Shark_Catfish.jpg
I'm not a big fan of common names for precisely this problem. With a
Latin name, you know where you stand. With common names, who knows what
kind of fish is being sold!>
I'm not that inhumane!
<Most folks aren't inhumane deliberately... but the nature of the
fishkeeping hobby is that the variety of species on sale far exceeds the
abilities of most aquarists to keep them properly.>
But, as you so aptly pointed out, the catfish and Pleco aren't
necessary...
<Quite.>
Even so, thanks for the help. I'll cook up some peas with dinner and
offer those to my patties and see if that helps.
<Hope this works. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Stress or not happy with
food?
Stupid petstore guy! ARGH :) I'm sure you hear that a lot.
<Unfortunately, yes. What can I say? I try my best, but there's just one
of me, and fifteen million bozos out there. Cheers, Neale.>
Albino sharks not
eating... Pangasiids 1/9/10
Hi Team,
<Ramesh>
I am new to this site. I have been discussing about my issue in several
blogs, but have not got much help, but at least appreciate the time
taken by the people to answer my queries.
<Okay!>
Having read lots of solutions provided by you, I am hoping for a great
help from you.
<We'll see won't we?>
I had a small tank with 25 gallons capacity and had the following fishes
:
2 Albino rainbow sharks
2 Blood Parrots
4 Tinfoil Barbs
3 Sucker cats
<Mmm, you're going to need more room... the Tinfoils will be getting
very skittish in time in such a small world>
All fishes were healthy and were feeding good. <well> The albino sharks
grew very fast and one of them came to 16 inches while the other 9-11
inches.
<!? Inches...? And... what are we discussing here in the way of species?
Is this the Pangasiid catfish... it's not the minnow shark (Cypriniid)>
The tank was too small for them. After some time the large of the two
shark stopped having food. I thought they are stressed up as their house
might be small.
<Yes>
In the mean time I got a large tank with 250 gallons capacity and 4ft
tall.
I moved all the fishes to the new tank, while moving the larger shark
hurt himself on the nose but not too much. It got healed in 2 days.
<Ah, good>
From the day I moved them to large tank, the sharks are not feeding at
all.
Sometime ago at least the smaller of the two was coming to the surface
to have food, but now even he has stopped eating.
<Am wondering what the difference/s in water quality are here. Do you
have test results to relate?>
It has been over 2 months now, since they have not been eating. All
other fishes are eating well and are healthy.
<Very strange... and what are you offering as food?>
These sharks are my favourites but I cant see them starving. They are
losing
their weights badly.
Please please please help me know what might be wrong with them?
<Need more info... the species name, water quality results, and foods
proffered>
I have added the following fishes in the tank :
2 Yellow Parrots
1 Giant Gourami
<Another "monster">
2 Green Terror
2 Malawi Blue Dolphin
I have plans to add the following fishes, please advice if they are ok:
2 Gold Severums / Green Severums
2 more Malawi Blue Dolphins
Thanks in Advance.
Regards,
Ramesh
<Please write back with the requested information. Oh, and read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/pangasiids.htm
and the linked FAQs file above. Bob Fenner>
Re: Albino sharks not
eating 1/9/2010
Thanks Bob, Appreciate your quick response.
<Welcome Ramesh>
Yu are correct, these are Pangasiid catfish species. The water quality
is the same and I have checked the pH value, nitrites and nitrates. They
are all fine.
I have been offering Taiyo Economy food.
<Ahh! Do switch to higher-protein fare... IF you can, do get Spectrum
brand... Very nutritious and palatable. And do read where you were
previously referred. BobF>
Hope this answers your queries.
Regards,
Ramesh
Re: Albino sharks not eating 1/9/2010
Hi,
<Hello>
Sorry for the confusion, here are the details of the fish:
It is from he species Pangasius, I also see that they call it as
Iridescent sharks. Hope I am not confusing you.
<Thank you for your concern, consideration. I am not confused. BobF>
Regards,
Ramesh
Re: Albino sharks not eating 1/10/2010
Thanks Bob. I will try them.
Regards,
Ramesh
<Good. BobF>
Iridescent Shark, beh., sys. 10/27/09
Hi, was just wondering if you ever heard of a fish slapping its jaws
together as if it was eating something but has nothing in its mouth.
<Nope, not seen this. Might be some sort of threat display? Or could be
"gulping" water, a sign they aren't getting enough oxygen.>
This is not constant but happens probably once or twice an hour. Since
they started doing this, they have been swimming really slow and kind of
hovering about an inch or two off the ground. The fish are iridescent
sharks,
<Pangasius hypophthalmus, I presume?>
one is about six to seven inches long and the other is about five to six
inches long.
<Ah, well, these fish almost never do well in aquaria. You do realise
how big they get? Easily 60 cm/24 inches, often 90 cm/36 inches and in
the wild more than 120 cm/48 inches. These are food fish, and cannot be
kept in home aquaria.>
They are in a 125 gallon tank,
<Too small.>
nitrate between 0 and 20, nitrite is at 0, hardness between 75 and 150,
chlorine is 0, alkalinity is 120-180, and ph is about 7.2. temp is
78-79.
The eyes are clear on both of them, I can not see any skin problems to
include the fins. The larger of the two damaged his nose when he was
introduced to the new tank about a month ago as he was really quick to
spook.
<All too common. These are riverine fish used to swimming freely. They
almost never adapt properly to home aquaria.>
He is no longer so easy to spook and his nose looks like it healed well
with no infection visible to the eye.
<Well that's good to hear.>
The fish seem to eat well only when we are a distance from the tank.
<Indeed.>
They never used to do that, it really didn't matter if I was standing
right in front of it before.
<The bigger they get, the more space they need. In this teeny-tiny tank
(by their standards) they're feeling horribly cramped and stressed.>
They also stopped taking food from the surface, they strictly eat from
the bottom now. Also was wondering what the max amount of fish you would
recommend for this tank as I keep reading how the groups are best around
3 but Im sure you will tell me the tank is currently to small for 3 even
at their current size.
<Indeed.>
Any opinions would be appreciated
Thanks
Billy
<Time to buy a much bigger tank, or else do what 99.9% of the people who
buy these fish end up doing, and that's finding a new home for them at a
zoo or public aquarium. These fish simply shouldn't be in the trade, and
I can't imagine why anyone would buy them. All the aquarium books state
very clearly DO NOT BUY THIS FISH and yet people still do. Pangasius
hypophthalmus are food fish, and no more suited to home aquaria than
farmed food fish species like Atlantic Salmon, Channel Catfish, Common
Carp, or Sea Bass. Cheers, Neale.>
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Saprolegnia on
shark (RMF, second opinion?) <<Nada to add>> 4/26/09
Hi crew! Please help me! I am trying desperately to save my iridescent
shark.
<Yes, I can see from the photos he's in a bad way. A very difficult species
to maintain, and I fear the problem here is more about his environment than
anything else. Iridescent Sharks are food fish, and they simply don't do
well in home aquaria. While they can be kept in aquaria if you have lots of
space, 55 gallons isn't enough. Moreover, they are difficult fish to mix
with other species. Despite their size, they are super-nervous, and perhaps
surprisingly, should be kept in schools of 3 or more specimens.>
He is 5 years old. Was staying in an established 5 year old tank, 55 gallon,
with two kissing Gourami and a Pleco. Don't exactly know how he got hurt,
maybe fight with Pleco that is a foot long.
<Not so much a fight, but I do wonder if [a] the Iridescent Shark bruised
himself or otherwise develop a light infection; and then [b] the Plec took
advantage of this and started rasping away at the infected tissue. Plecs are
notorious for "latching" onto injured, moribund or otherwise slow-moving
fish that are exuding blood or mucous into the water. While I'm not 100%
sure, this is my guess here.>
My shark is 10 inches.
<Way too big for this aquarium. Even if the Plec exacerbated the situation,
the primary cause of the wound or infection was surely some combination of
water quality and/or physical damage, e.g., jumping into the hood or bumping
into ornaments. Heater burns are another common cause of mortality and
injury among catfish.>
The next day noticed the patch of cottony fungus, identified as saprolegnia.
I set up a10 gallon hospital tank at 80 degrees.
<Can't possibly keep this fish in 10 gallons. I'm surprised it even FITS
into a 10 gallon tank!>
I treated water with 1 tsp water conditioner (Jungle Start Right with
Allantoin, a skin protectant), 1 tsp of Wardley Ick Away (malachite green),
1 tsp. of Melafix and 1 tsp of Jungle Fungus Clear Tank Buddies
(Nitrofurazone, Furazolidone, potassium dichromate).
<Random medicating is usually not a good idea. Remember, while Fungus isn't
especially difficult to treat, it's a secondary infection that results from
poor water conditions and injury. In a case like this, you need the fish to
be in optimal water conditions, and even on his own, 55 gallons would barely
provide that, let along 10. You also need to treat with something very
specific for severe fungal infections; I'd recommend something along the
lines of Seachem KanaPlex. Melafix is useless once fungal infections are
established (I'll allow it might have some preventative value) and Ick
medication is clearly irrelevant.>
The only other items in the tank are the heater and an air stone. I have
been feeding him Jungle Anti-Bacteria Medicated Fish Food, but he does not
seem to be eating anything.
<Don't feed him at all until he's in a tank offering optimal water
conditions: 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, low nitrate, pH stable around 6.5-7.5, and
moderate hardness.>
I clean up the food that he does not eat each morning. His eyes are clouded
over, maybe he can't find his food.
<Not a good sign; usually implies (if both eyes are cloudy) some type of
secondary bacterial infection. Again, KanaPlex should help.>
He has been in this treatment for 5 days, with no improvement, seems worse.
His body is almost completely covered now.. I am sending you pictures.
When will this treatment start to help?
<No.>
Or am I doing something wrong?
<Yes.>
Please help me!
<Done my best. While I've seen fish come back from worse (they really are
amazing sometimes) this does depend on optimal environmental conditions,
which I fear you're not providing. Seriously, this is a fish that needs a
tank twice the size of what you have, if not more, and a whopping filter
with massive water turnover and plenty of supplemental aeration. Iridescent
Sharks are classic riverine fish with little tolerance for stagnant water.
Adults are routinely 60-70 cm long under aquarium conditions, and wild
specimens twice that, weighing about the same as a family dog. Big fish.
Cheers, Neale.>
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Can I put a Iridescent Shark and a Jack Dempsey together?
<<BobF's go>> 3/28/09
For a while... I was searching the web and found your site and it seemed
like you guys knew what you were talking about. So I wanted to ask you a
question. I have a 75 gallon tank right now and I have a 4 inch Jack
Dempsey and a 6 inch Iridescent Shark, and I was wondering if my Jack
Dempsey would pick on my Iridescent Shark or if they would be fine. (I
am aware that that Iridescent Sharks get quite big and once it grows too
big for the tank I will get a larger one. I know that my Jack will get
bigger too.)
<Mmm, in this sized volume, starting these two at the sizes you mention,
I do think you won't have troubles for a while... the Jack Dempsey will
likely leave the catfish alone... and depending on your foods, feeding,
the "shark" may not grow so large as to ingest the cichlid for a year or
more. Bob Fenner>
Can I put a Iridescent Shark and a Jack Dempsey together?
<<Now Neale>> 3/28/09
I was searching the web and found your site and it seemed like you guys
knew what you were talking about.
<Modesty forbids...>
So I wanted to ask you a question. I have a 75 gallon tank right now and
I have a 4 inch Jack Dempsey and a 6 inch Iridescent Shark, and I was
wondering if my Jack Dempsey would pick on my Iridescent Shark or if
they would be fine.
<Wouldn't be my idea of a marriage made in heaven. JDs are territorial,
and while they generally ignore open water schooling fish too big to
eat, such as barbs, anything more threatening is likely to be eyed with
suspicion. Iridescent Shark by contrast are *schooling* fish and
singletons are extremely nervous. As this fish matures it's going to
feel steadily more
skittish, and it's a sad fact most Iridescent Sharks bash their heads in
at some point. You hardly ever see any specimens reared by home
aquarists that have unmarked heads or eyes.>
(I am aware that that Iridescent Sharks get quite big and once it grows
too big for the tank I will get a larger one. I know that my Jack will
get bigger too.)
<Wild JDs will get to about 20 cm, though that's uncommon anymore given
the amount of inbreeding. So unless you have a wild fish, 15, 18 cm
seems to be typical. Iridescent Sharks by contrast do get massive. Even
in aquaria they routinely top 60 cm, and 90 cm specimens are not
uncommon. Wild fish supposedly get to well over a metre. Cheers, Neale.>
Bottom feeder suggestions for tanks (Oh no, Pangasianodon; run, run!)
2/11/09 Hello WWM crew, <Hi,> In my 30 gallon hexagon, I have
2 kribensis cichlids. I’d like to add maybe 2-3 fish that are middle to top
level dwellers. <With Kribs? Most anything that stays at the top should work.
Danios are the obvious option, but lack of swimming space may limit things. The
problem here is that hexagon tanks are notoriously poor in terms of fish
stocking capacity. They have a terrible surface area to volume ratio, meaning
little oxygen diffuses in compared to the standard broad but shallow rectangle.
You've also got less swimming space, so while Danios would be great in a 30 gal.
rectangle, they're less happy in a deep but narrow hexagon. All things
considered, I'd consider the smaller Danios like Zebras and Pearls, or
alternatively White Cloud Mountain Minnows, in both cases assuming the
temperature is no higher than 25 C (77 F), since neither likes super-hot water.
(Nor do the Kribs, by the way.) Alternatively, you could go for surface swimmers
that don't move about much, for example Silver Hatchets or even a single African
Butterflyfish.> Can you recommend a bottom dweller that’s tough enough to
handle the cichlids but efficient in eating uneaten food? No matter how careful
I am with trying not to overfeed, my cichlids are not interested in eating much.
<Then feed less! Even if you add fish, that uneaten food gets turned into
ammonia, and then into nitrite, and ultimately nitrate. Ammonia and nitrite are
immediate killers, but your filter should remove them just fine. Nitrate is an
insidious killer, and if you skip water changes for a couple of weeks, nitrate
levels can easily get high enough to kill cichlids. Seriously, cichlids
(including "hardy" Kribs) are sensitive to levels above 20 mg/l, so handling
uneaten food isn't the goal, keeping excess food out is. Personally, I'd avoid
catfish with Kribs: Kribs are pretty vicious when defending their territories,
and can damage things like Corydoras (biting out there eyes!). Again, you have
the problem of a poor surface to volume ratio, meaning that there's less
"bottom" in this tank than would be the case with a 30 gal. rectangular tank. As
should be apparent, while hexagonal tanks might look nifty, they're actually
pretty seriously compromised in terms of keeping fish. My best suggestion would
be to go with some of the snails, like Nerites or Tylomelania, that don't breed
much/at all in aquaria, or even shrimps like Cherry Shrimps. These will all be
ignored by the Kribs, and will help eat algae, uneaten food, etc., up to a point
at least.> My 30 long tank has 20 assorted platys, swordtails and mollies.
I’d like to add a few Corydoras in this tank but I’m already overcrowded. I use
a Penguin 350 filter and no salt in this tank so would this be okay? <I'd not
add Corydoras to this system. I like the fact you've given these fish space, and
by choosing livebearers, you reserve the option to add marine salt mix at, say,
3 grammes per litre, if the Mollies start getting sick (as they often do in busy
freshwater tanks). If you really must add something, consider making the water
slightly brackish and getting something like Knight Gobies. Not only are these
attractive fish, they're very efficient predators that will keep the numbers of
livebearer fry down!> I have 4 iridescent sharks, 2 parrot cichlids, 3 black
skirt tetras, 1 kisser and 1 Danio in my 55 gallon tank. Can I add a small
Pleco, which one? <You are MASSIVELY overstocked already. Do you have any
idea how big those Iridescent Shark Catfish will get? Do take a look at the
Fishbase page for Pangasianodon hypophthalmus, here:
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=14154
http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=14154 See the fishes
these chaps are holding in the photos? That's your catfish. While 130 cm (4
foot) specimens are not common in aquaria (!) they can and will reach about half
that size, and astonishingly quickly. I simply cannot stress this strongly
enough: these aren't fish for the home aquarium, and the majority of specimens
end up having to be killed or given away to zoos (who don't really want them).
For what it's worth, most any common Plec species, e.g., Pterygoplichthys
multiradiatus, would be fine in a 55 gallon tank, assuming strong filtration and
regular water changes. Do understand that the common Plecs of the hobby,
Pterygoplichthys spp., get to at least 45 cm (18 inches) within 3-4 years, and
are incredibly messy vegetarians. They need filters rated at not less than 6
times the volume of the tank per hour (i.e., at least 330 gallons per hour in
your case) and big (50%) water changes every week or so. Otherwise your aquarium
will end up looking extremely murky.> Thank in advance for your help.
Audra <Happy to help. Neale.>
Re: Bottom feeder suggestions for tanks (Oh no, Pangasianodon; run,
run!) 2/11/09 Hi Neale, <Audra,> I agree with you about the 30
hexagon, I only bought it because it looked good. It took me a long time to
decide what to put in it and my Kribs are already spawning after being in the
tank for a week. I'll consider the Zebra Danios. <Cool.> In the 30 long,
my mollies have done well without salt, so I won't be venturing into brackish
water for them at this time. <Fine. But I'd still recommend keeping them with
tankmates that at least allow you the option of using a therapeutic dose of
marine salt mix, even if you don't actually go fully brackish. Hence,
salt-tolerant livebearers and killifish good, soft water catfish and tetras
bad.> Thanks for the pictures on the sharks. I nearly had a coronary
(kidding). But I've known about their size for a while now. Two of my
iridescent sharks are about 10 yrs old now and 7 in. long, the other two about 5
yrs old and 4 in. long. <Hmm... still quite small. May well be one of the
other Pangasiid species. None make great aquarium fish, though, even
"tiddlers" like yours. Nervous, skittish animals prone to damaging their eyes,
in my experience.> If I had done my research years ago, I would never have
bought them, but they are my favorites. <They are certainly nice fish. Just
difficult to house. Yours have done extremely well to have lived such a long
time. By NO means the usual thing.> I plan to move the tetras, kisser and
Danio out once the cichlids get bigger, so my sharks will have more room. My
dream tank is a 110 gallon for them but this will have to wait. <Indeed.>
I do 3-20% water changes a week on each tank so this helps keep things in order.
I love cories but I don't have an existing set-up where they could fit in.
<Tell me about. My poor Peppered Catfish get attacked or nipped or chased
wherever I seem to put them.> Thanks for all the suggestions Neale. Audra
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Tank mates prob. (Oh no, not
Pangasius hypophthalmus!) 12/25/08 Hello dear Neale, I hope
you will be fine there. Neale I want your help that I have 2 iridescent sharks
and 2 giant gouramis in 90 gallon right now. <Hello Ali. I'd be a lot more
"fine" if my time wasn't being wasted. I don't mind offering advice, but when
it's ignored, and you come back for more advice, that isn't really very good for
my ego! Let me be 100% crystal clear on this. You have NO BUSINESS at all
keeping Iridescent Shark catfish (Pangasius hypophthalmus). Firstly, they are
SCHOOLING fish. Two specimens is not a school; you need groups of 5 or more.
Next, they get to 130 cm (over 4 feet) long and can weigh over 40 kilos (100
lb). There is NO WAY you have the space to keep such large fish. Most specimens
damage themselves in aquaria because they cannot handle things like glass walls.
They become blind for example, because they bump their eyes into things.
Giant Gouramis (Osphronemus spp.) are not much smaller, typically around 60 cm
in length and a weight of 9 kg (about 20 lb). Individuals can be very
territorial towards others of their species, and I suspect the two specimens you
have will not get along once mature.> But Neale I am very interested to keep
2 black ghost knife and 2 parrot fish with them. <Get rid of the Pangasius
hypophthalmus first. Then worry about maintaining good water quality for six
months. Understand Apteronotus albifrons will die at the first sniff of ammonia
and nitrite, and will not tolerate pH changes. So keep testing water quality and
chemistry in your tank, and if it is ABSOLUTELY perfect every single week from
here to June, then maybe think about a Knifefish. Otherwise, leave them alone!>
Can they live happy and calm with each other in one 90gallon tank? <No.>
Thank you, Ali <Ali, please understand the best I can do is to prevent you
making mistakes. In this case, I've said repeatedly that Pangasius hypophthalmus
is NOT a fish you (or ANYONE ELSE) should keep as a pet. It is a food fish, not
an aquarium fish! Merry Christmas, Neale.>
Re: Tank mates prob (Oh no, not
Pangasius hypophthalmus!) 12/25/08 Hello dear Neale, I am
sorry I didn't mean to hurt you; I always listen to your advice and did whatever
you said. <Ah, that's the best Christmas present!> I have returned the
iridescent shark and giant Gourami back to the pet store. <Extremely WISE
decision.> Now I am doing what you have said about maintaining the water
condition. Please suggest me any fish that you think is best, ill introduce them
when water condition become normal. My goldfish are fine now they are doing
well. <I would start with a group of either Bronze or Peppered Corydoras
(Corydoras aeneus or Corydoras paleatus). Get six or more specimens of each
species. By all means keep both! These catfish work EXTREMELY well with
Goldfish, and enjoy the same water temperature. Corydoras will do just fine at
the 22-25 C that Goldfish enjoy. They stay relatively small, are completely
peaceful, and being air-breathers, will not suffer in summer if the water gets
too hot. Another great fish to keep with Goldfish is the Weather Loach
(Misgurnus anguillicaudatus). It gets to about 20 cm, is great fun, and works
well in groups of 3-4 specimens. Giant Danios (Devario aequipinnatus) are fun
with Goldfish, but they are boisterous and may terrorise fancy Goldfish; they
work best with standard (non-fantail) varieties such as Common Goldfish, Comets
and Shubunkins. Perhaps surprisingly, the Variatus Platy (Xiphophorus variatus)
can work well with Goldfish; it's a herbivore, so will do well on similar foods.
Couple other choices include White Cloud Mountain minnows (Tanichthys albonubes)
and the Green Barb (Barbus semifasciolatus).> Thank you, Merry Christmas,
Ali <Likewise, and a happy new year to you, too! Cheers, Neale.>
Infected plant, a casualty, and a mis-diagnosis? Mmm, mis-mix of FW
lvstk., disease period 2/26/08
Good afternoon crew! Hope it's warmer where you are than here!
<Was about to wish you the same!>
As requested before submissions, here are my tank parameters.
-30 gal tank w/ side mounted 30-60 gal waterfall filter (carbon, filter
sponge, ammonia)
-Nitrate 0,
<Mmm, none, zip?>
Nitrite 0, Hardness approx 120-150ppm, Chlorine 0, Alkalinity between
120&180ppm, pH 7.6, Ammonia 0.2-0.3
<Not good...>
-tank temp avg 76-78F
-20W tank light for plant growth & vibrant fish color
-25% water changes with gravel siphoned once weekly.
Here is my stock.
-2 fantail goldfish. One the size of a quarter, one the size of a nickel
-3 golden wonder killifish about 1 1/2 long
-3 red wag platies size of a nickel
-2 white skirt tetras quarter sized
-1 iridescent shark 3 inches long
<... quite a mix... am sure you've heard/read re Goldfish "like" for
cooler (and harder, more alkaline) water than the tetras, killies...>
-tank has been established for a very successfully with only 2 deaths
(I don't believe this is overstocking and there is sufficient dwelling
spots like fake coral, rocks, caves. Please correct me if I'm wrong)
Here is my situation.
I reluctantly & recently purchased 2 plants (a very small bunch of
Anubias, and what I believe is fanworts)
<The former are very tough... depending on what the latter are... not so
much>
for the purpose of providing more territory & safety for my recently
turned aggressive killifish (only aggressive to the 3 of each other, not
the other species). I read nightmare stories of people bringing in sick
plants to their aquarium & all their livestock gets wiped out,
<Rare, but happens. Much more often, the plants just die>
but I felt it was necessary, and could provide some positive benefit. I
think the negative side may be the case with me.
I noticed 4 closely clumped white spots on the rear fin of my white
skirt tetra. Over the course of 2 days the spots either all disappeared,
were smaller, or on a different spot of the rear fin. No other fish were
experiencing this. I treated the tank for ich because the white spots
were ich sized, have had other ich experience, and I know how ich works
& its life cycle. I used a Methylene Blue treatment for 3 days, 25%
water change per day, removed carbon, and turned water temp to 80-82F.
The problem did not get better with the treatment for the tetra, and in
fact my 2 fantail goldfish seemed to have suffered from treatment, one
gravely.
<See above... don't like too-warm water... and the ammonia... trouble>
Both goldfish developed frayed edges on their rear tails like a minor
case of fin rot. The little guy seemed like he was "panting", and
overnight he suddenly died. My waterfall filter provides plenty of
oxygen bubbles, so I don't think it was from lack of oxygen.
<Mmmm>
The other goldfish still has a finely frayed rear tail, and the tips
curl inward now like a woman's hair with rollers. His breathing looks
normal. No other fish seem to be infected or reacting problematically at
this time.
My question is should I be treating for a fungus or parasite treatment
instead of the ich? What am I doing wrong, please lead me down the path
of success!
Tim P
USA
<... Really... need at least two systems here. One for the goldfish,
maybe with the platies... the other for the tropicals. IF this is a
parasite, it may well be a trematode/fluke... Please see WWM re the
System needs for all you list, how to treat for FW worm complaints...
Bob Fenner>
Re: Infected plant, a casualty, and a mis-diagnosis? 2/27/08
Thank you Bob for the info regarding the worm complaints. Just an update
on my tank situation & to add to this distress, my iridescent shark now
has something completely different than I've ever dealt with. The shark
also has very white frayed edges on all his fins like fin rot.
<Mmm, environmental... the treatment effects... perhaps the disruption
of nitrification>
Also his slime coat seems to be very over active, to the point where its
making his black shiny body look like a velvety grayish to the point
where it could look mossy (not to the extent of cotton fungus, and
doesn't look like velvet disease). His gills seem to be a bit gasp. I
will treat for flukes as you recommend but I don't see any worms.
<The "spots" that keep recurring, moving... are "worms"...
flukes/trematodes... See the Net, WWM re>
I suppose I will treat it as a parasite, not a fungus.
<See... WWM... re>
Though reading the articles on this site are very informative, I'm
afraid to choose a wrong diagnosis. I will isolate the Goldfish & the
Platies in a different tank, however do you recommend this after
treatment since they have all co- existed for more than a year together,
and may share the same diseases? Again, thank you for all your help, it
makes a difference.
Tim P
<And send along some clear, well-resolved pix if you can. Cheers, Bob
Fenner>Re: Infected plant,
a casualty, and a mis-diagnosis?
Bob,
As you've requested, here are a few photos of my iridescent shark.
Notice the white slimy frayed fin edges, and he's also glazed over with
the white-slimy kind of bumpy mucus which actually looks fleshy &
torn-like. This isn't fungus is it? He's even has mucus hanging off his
whiskers. Normally he would hang out under the rock at the bottom of the
tank in the dark, but now I find him normally swimming around up top or
near the top below the tank light. His swimming does not seem to look
labored, and he is not breathing heavy. I treated the tank with Binox,
hopefully I'm not fighting a cause that's already in the grave. Goldfish
seems to not be getting any worse, maybe even better. No other fish seem
to be infected at this time, with the exception of the killi with the 1
white spot on its rear tail. The original problem tetra has no spots. Is
the anti parasite medication still the course of treatment needed?
Again, thanks so much.
P.S. Please feel free to use these photos on your site for educational
purposes. It's the least I can do for you educating me, and hopefully
this can help others.
New water parameters . .
NO3-0
NO2-0
Chlorine-0
Hardness 150ppm
Alkalinity-180ppm
pH-7.8
Ammonia- .1 to .2
Thanks
Tim
<Hello Tim. This fish has Finrot and/or Fungus. It's in terrible shape.
Both these diseases are more environmental than anything else, and the
fact you have Ammonia in the aquarium clinches the deal as far as I'm
concerned. Let's make this crystal clear: Pangasius sp. catfish are NOT
AQUARIUM FISH. Do please see the Planet Catfish page on this species to
see how big they get:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catalog/species.php?species_id=172
Never have been, and never will be, worth keeping. They just don't do
well in aquaria, even if you can handle the fact they reach upwards of 1
m in length. You need lots of water movement and good water quality,
since these are riverine fish. They're also schooling fish and tend to
be extremely nervous when kept alone, thrashing about the tank when the
lights go out or whatever. Your tank is loaded to the gunwales with
rocks and such, and these are utterly incompatible with Pangasius: when
the catfish swim, they bump into the rocks, get damaged, and then
infection sets in. They are riverine catfish that need a tank that is
basically composed of two things: [1] a huge box filled with water and
[2] a massively powerful filter producing 8-10 times the volume of the
tank in turnover per hour. They don't want plants, rocks, seashells,
bogwood... nothing! As if to underline this point some more, scientists
recently established that at least one species of Pangasius (P. krempfi)
actually swims out of rivers and into the sea once it grows up! Finally,
you appear to be keeping a notorious fin-nipper, Gymnocorymbus ternetzi.
This species is precisely the kind of fish you wouldn't combine with
these nervous catfish. These characins will nip the Pangasius, damaging
the fins and sending the poor animal into paroxysms of fear. So, short
term: treat with a combination Finrot/Fungus medication. I have found
eSHa 2000 works excellently well with catfish and other sensitive
species. Daily salt water dips might also be useful, but I fear they'd
be too stressful for a catfish this nervous. Long term: needs rehoming.
Wrong tank, wrong tankmates. Hope this helps, Neale.>
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Please Help My Sick
Iridescent Shark 1-11-2008
My Iridescent Shark was lying lifeless at the bottom of the tank this
morning; I thought he was dead so I tried to move him. He began moving
aggressively hitting his nose/mouth in the gravel and on the tank glass top so I
could not move him. When I returned for work he was lying motionless again I
tried to move him and the same thing happen. It took me three hours to get him
out the tank to the hospital tank. He has busted his nose/mouth and is now not
moving only breathing. Does he have a diseases, how can I treat him, will he
die?
<Pangasius hypophthalmus is unfortunately not an aquarium fish. These are
schooling fish that reach a maximum size of 130 cm in the wild (though 60-100 cm
is more typical in captivity). When kept in aquaria that are too small for them,
or when kept singly, they often exhibit precisely the symptoms you describe.
There's really no "fix" as such, beyond [a] getting it a couple of pals and [b]
providing sufficient swimming space. Realistically, this means they need an
aquarium 1000 l/250 gallons in size. Few people have this sort of tank! Long
term, your fish will keep bashing its head on the glass or hood until it damages
itself, and once that happens, Finrot and fungus set in the fish will die. The
best case scenario is to contact your local public aquarium or zoo and see if
they have space for your fish. But sadly many public aquaria are overwhelmed
with these fish and can't house any more. Ultimately your fish probably doesn't
have much of a future. Why, you ask, do people sell these fish -- because there
are always people out there who buy these fish without researching them first.
Cheers, Neale.>
Iridescent Shark Eye Problems 12/23/07
I'm glad to have found your website, but unfortunately I have not found any
cases similar to that of my Iridescent shark. I live in Florida, and during the
winter the temperatures of the aquarium do not drop below 20 degrees Celsius,
currently the aquarium has that temperature.
<Well, this is a little cool for Pangasius hypophthalmus, which is presumably
what we're talking about here. Something closer to 24-25 C would be better, and
would keep the immune system operating properly, reducing problems with
secondary infections.>
The first day that a cold front came through my area the temperatures lowered to
the temperature it has now (20 degrees Celsius), this first day, though, the
iridescent two sharks that I have, their skin ( I guess I could say since they
seem to not have scales) seemed crack as if it were frozen, but they weren't
frozen.
<Not 100% sure what this is, though skin damage is entirely possible, and
certainly some types of secondary infection can cause thread-like wounds on the
skin, essentially blistering.>
Anyways, the next day one of the sharks had one cloudy eye and the other had
both of its eyes cloudy.
<Extremely common with this species. Pangasius hypophthalmus is a hyperactive
and nervous fish, and when alarmed thrashes about the tank. Following this, the
delicate eye surfaces get damaged and infections set in. If not precisely what
happened here, the result is the same: an opportunistic secondary infection that
needs to be treated using an appropriate anti-Finrot/anti-Fungus treatment of
your choice (though I'd counsel against "mild" treatments such as Melafix).>
The shark with both cloudy eyes also had red streaks under at the base of the
pelvic fins. All the fins of both fish (dorsal, caudal, pectoral, pelvic, etc.)
also became torn, and are all stringy.
<Definitely Finrot. Treat as above.>
The worst part, I consider, is that the shark with both eyes cloudy seems to be
blind and can't really find its food (flakes).
<Eyesight won't cause starvation, since these catfish, like other catfish, hunt
for food primarily by taste/smell. So if healthy, they will find suitable food
easily enough. But given they are sick, not treating the infection will lead to
more serious problems, and ultimately death.>
As for the aquarium, I maintain it very clean and the treatments I use are Aqua
Safe (neutralizer), algae destroyer weekly, and Easy Balance weekly (chemical
balancer). I clean the aquarium yearly, with 25 to 50 % water changes every two
or 1 and a half months and monthly filter clean/change as well.
<Hmm... for these fish I suspect your water maintenance regime is inadequate.
50% water changes WEEKLY would be the minimum. These are riverine fish that grow
to over 1.3 meters in length (over 4 feet) and produce enormous amounts of
waste. In fact, I'd consider them utterly inappropriate for home aquaria. That
said, lots of people keep them and enjoy them, and maximum size in aquaria tends
to be around the 30 cm/12" mark, which isn't too bad. But it is an inescapable
fact that most Pangasius hypophthalmus end up deformed, scarred, or dead from
secondary infections due to maintenance in too-small an aquarium. They do need
big tanks with minimum decoration (danger or scratches) but plenty of floating
plants to give a sense of security.>
The Aquarium is well-oxygenated and I feed them daily. Currently, the heater is
on and it maintains a stable temperature of 20 degrees Celsius. I also vacuum
the gravel monthly with the siphon.
<Warmer water will be essential to proper immune response; but you will also
have to add some sort of antibacterial (e.g., eSHa 2000) or antibiotic (e.g.,
Maracyn II).>
I really hope you can help me in determining the disease of my iridescent shark,
and informing me of any possible way to treat it. If you need any further
explanation, pictures, videos, or description e-mail as soon as you can, this is
very urgent and I've had these fish over seven years and I would greatly
appreciate your help. Thank you for your time.
<Hope this has helped, Neale.>
Can you Identify this fish for me? 8/28/07
I have searched and searched and Googled and Yahoo'd
and still cannot find the identification of this fish. I
was told it was a Black Shark Catfish, which it
obviously is not.
<Is a Pangasiid... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/pangasiids.htm
and the linked files at top and bottom>
So here is a physical description and I will send along
a photo, if I can get one of it.
Behavior:
Likes to be solitary. Prefers to hide in a corner of the
tank or under a log. Doesn't care if it is looked,
doesn't mind a slight touch, but don't try to move it or
net it or net anything close to it.
<Good description... is a shoaling species that when
alone is reclusive>
Eats:
Never seen it eat, but Goldfish, then guppies, then
other fish disappear and there are only small mouth fish
in the tank.
<Ah, yes... and gets VERY big...>
Physical Description:
Barbels-4 under the chin, eyes on opposite sides of
head- that looks similar to a whale shark. Two Pectoral,
two pelvic and one long anal fin, one elongated dorsal
fin. Black all around.
Swim Behavior:
Never 'rests', all fins (except dorsal) seem to be
moving always. Slow moving, unless fleeing.
Mouth:
Doesn't gape. Never seen it open it's mouth come to
think of it.
Tank:
45 gal freshwater.
<Will be much too small...>
I am sorry the picture isn't much clearer. Not the
easiest to get a picture of because it is always moving.
I would really like to know what this is and the proper
care and environment for it.
FYI:
I received this fish along with 2 gourami's, a catfish,
and I think it was a guppy, can't remember the other one
now, from a lady who was taking care of a bed-ridden
elder person, whose tank cracked and leaked all over.
They decided it was time to find her something else to
watch.
Thanks for any help you can offer!
<Be reading... and chatting! BobF... who has a friend
JohnK with your family name...>
'Look deep into nature, and then you will understand
everything better.' - Albert Einstein
We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of
what nature has revealed to us. - Albert Einstein
<Strongly agreed>
2 very quick questions and
then I have to join reality... JC Aquarium courses, degrees, Pangasiid ID, sick
Echidna... 7/28/07
<Heeee! Definitions please>
Thanks for your help!
<Welcome>
I have one more situation:
I am very new to the marine world. I am taking a course in Aquarium Science at
Oregon Coast Community College in Newport, Oregon (new program).
<Neat! Have just perused this site... very exciting to realize such one and two
year programs exist...>
Question 1) Where do you get all your info? Do you all have years of experience,
biology master degrees?
<Mmm, many years of collecting aquarium literature, reading critically, writing
(few processes make one learn better...), have an extensive pet-fish, fisheries,
ichthyological library... Worked in the ornamental aquatics trade earnestly for
decades... Do have many years of formal academic education, degrees in the life
sciences... My brief bio. here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/WWMAdminSubWebIndex/bobfbio.htm>
A few select books you rely heavily on?
<Yikes... there are many... Ed Noga, Fish Disease, Diagnosis and Treatment seems
pertinent here... the Modern Coral Reef Aquarium tomes by Fossa and Nilsen...
Debelius Atlas series...>
Question 2) My snowflake eel is bloated. Yesterday it happened. I watch this
dude every day. I have read all the info and I am saddened to think that it is
going to die. Yes it was eating guppies, our lionfish died two days ago (in a
different tank). I am afraid we got some 'bad' fish, however the Pangasiid is
doing very well.
<Mmm, I see... this group/family is tough...>
Could this be a possibility-the 'bad' guppies? Or is there something else going
on?
<Might well be related to something in/on the "feeders"...>
The ell is still alive this morning.
Thanks ever so much! Really!
<You have read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/snoflkeeldisfaqs.htm
and the linked files above?
Bob Fenner> |
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Iridescent shark 7/21/07
hello, I have two iridescent sharks in my aquarium I had to empty my tank
and clean it out. I got it second hand and I guess I should have taken the rocks
out and replaced them first. I transferred the fish into a temporary tank, well
to tell the truth it was an ice cream pail. but when I returned them to the
aquarium they were both very red (as I am sure you know these are silvery and
black normally). one of them instantly began to swim and carry on like normal
and he got his color back in no time at all ,however the second one just stays
laying at the bottom and swims around lazily along the floor he has not turned
back to his normal color. did I shock them in the move and will he pull out of
this? all the other fish in the aquarium have also resumed their own happy fishy
lives.
<Greetings. I hope that you work at a public aquarium or have a gigantic
aquarium in your basement. Iridescent sharks -- Pangasius hypophthalmus -- are
possibly the worst aquarium fish in the trade. In fact, practically all
fishkeeping writers and experts consider them totally unsuitable for home
aquaria. Here's why: maximum size is 1.3 m (over 4 feet). They are schooling
fish. They grow extremely fast. They are extremely nervous and often damage
themselves by swimming into things when alarmed. You have discovered this. As
they mature, they will become more and more nervous as they feel confined. Yes,
their colours will return once they recover from their state of alarm, but once
frightened again, you'll have to go through the whole process again. Almost no
useful information is provided by retailers when these fish are sold. In terms
of basic care they are herbivores, and need lots of green foods. They live in
huge river systems, and so expect a strong water current and lots of swimming
space. Minimum aquarium size is something like 4000 litres/1000 gallons.
Remember, these things can get to the size of small dolphins! To be fair, most
specimens seem to stop growing around the 60 cm/2 foot mark, but even then,
given their activity level and the fact they need to be in a school of 6 or more
specimens, you still need a simply ginormous aquarium to keep them properly. It
is really a food fish and widely farmed, and unfortunately a few specimens seem
to find their way into the aquarium trade. Any retailer stocking these fish and
not telling you what they turn into is being grossly irresponsible, in my
opinion. On the plus side, they're not fussy about water chemistry and are
harmless towards fish too big to eat. They also taste very good. Cheers, Neale>
Iridescent Shark in BW? 2/11/07
Hi there, first off I have gotten tons of excellent information from
your site. Thank you for that.
<Glad to hear it. Pufferpunk here with you tonight.>
My question is two part, I have 2 iridescent sharks and a pleco, in a 175 (I
know they get big and when they get bigger, I'll be moving 1 to another
tank). They are only 3" and 3 1/2" long right now.
<It is highly unlikely you will ever be able to house even 1 iridescent
shark properly. Here's a pic of an adult:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v345/Pufferpunk/Other%20Fish/?action=view¤t=iridescentsharks.jpg
>
I would like to know the possibility of keeping them in a brackish tank
setup?
<No, these are strictly FW fish.>
I would like to get a puffer that gets large but it would require brackish
conditions.
<The larger BW puffer (green spotted puffer, Tetraodon nigroviridis),
actually will eventually need quite a lot of salt, even marine conditions as
adult. There are many FW puffers, some that can get quite large, like the
fahaka puffer but are much too aggressive for tank mates.>
If that isn't possible for these fish, are they compatible to keep with an
Oscar? These 2 attacked some the four mollies that were in the tank when I
brought them home.
<They will eat whatever fish they can fit into their mouth. If the Oscar is
the same size or larger, they should be compatible. You need to consider
what you will do with these fish when they get larger. It's almost
impossible to find homes for them once they are large. ~PP>
Thank you for all the info, Terry
Iridescent Shark... not feeding? 2/6/07
Hello again...2/5/07
<Mike>
I have another dilemma; I purchased a 10" iridescent shark at my LFS and am
keeping him in a 100 gallon tank for now. I hear that he will soon out grow
it, I also hear that there
<their>
growth could get stunted and 12" could be there max size.
<Possibly>
Anyway I have had him now since 1/28/07 1 week 1 day and haven't got him to
eat anything yet... should I be concerned?
<Mmm, getting there>
I have him housed with a Red Devil, 2-Jack Dempsey's, 1 Fire Eel, and 1
Texas cichlid. So it is hard to get food to him.
<Are usually quite eager feeders>
I have tried feeding at night using pellets, flake food, and night crawlers.
As far as I can see he hasn't ate anything yet! I hear they are called "eat
em up fish" and will eat anything and everything but no luck here.... I have
called the pet store where I got it and she said she has had him for months
and never saw him eat she said that she used flakes. What should I do?
<Mmm, best to place a divider in this tank... about half way... and make
sure this fish is not getting bullied into non-feeding, assure yourself that
it is taking food... I would continue with the (sinking) pellets offering.
Bob Fenner>
Iridescent Shark... not feeding? - II - 02/09/2007
Do you think it could be internal parasites? I have read a lot about that.
If so should I remove from tank or will it be too late and had already
spread to other fish? Thank you, Mike Whitson
<Very unlikely this is a parasite issue... just a matter of inter-species
adjustment, the new fish settling in. Bob Fenner>
Iridescent Shark, Feeding, Cont'd - 02/11/2007
Should I attempt to force feed? Or just let him be?
<I would NOT force-feed a Pangasiid... not necessary... I assure you, given
enough space, a lack of harassment, this specimen will eat... and definitely NOT
starve. BobF>
Holes in a Paroon shark. African Cichlid, Pangasiid incomp.
12/30/06
Hello! I have a Paroon shark
<Pangasius sanitwongsei Smith, 1931... a REALLY big catfish>
that has been in a tank with cichlids for about 5 months now. I had a Moray Eel
<...>
for about 3 days and after researching it (should have done that before I bought
it)
<Yes>
I decided to give to my cousin's saltwater fish store. In the morning the day I
gave him up, he was belly up in the tank, then when I came home, his head was by
my sharks spot in the tank and it was obvious that they were bitten.
I put medicine in the tank and tried to nurse them to health. It was apparent
one shark would loose
<lose>
his eye because it was bloody then just turned black like his skin. It was
almost like his skin grew over the eye. Well my cichlids picked on the sharks
and would bite his eye and his side fin (in front)
<Incompatible...>
so I put the shark into my 10 gal feeder fish
<... dismal>
tank with some medicine so he could heal in peace. He has been in the tank for 3
weeks and where his eye was started to turn pink. Silly me I
<I>
thought it might be regenerating. Well, now there are holes where his eye and
fin used to be. It appears like its rotting or something. I have no clue what is
going on. Can you help and let me know what it is and how I can treat him?
Thanks!
Jennifer Mercer
<What re water quality, testing... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwdis3setsfactors.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Mystus leucophasis...? 10/24/06
Hello,
<Hi there>
I've search both your site & the web but find either very little or conflicting
information on the Mystus leucophasis. I have 3, 4"- 6" in a 55 gal with 4 Oto
catfish (moving soon).
<Good. Incompatible>
It's fully planted, and they love to tear up the green hedge. They eat
everything including a slow Oto.
<Yes>
So I'm writing to get more information on them. I know I have both sexes in tank
but not sure how to tell which is which, when are they sexually mature?
what about breeding, what is their breeding ritual or habits, environment.
How big do they actual get ? I've read any where from 6" to 12". Any recommended
read? I'm looking for has much information has I can find on them. BTW- I saved
them from the nasty tanks at Wal-mart.
<Mmmm... as far as I'm aware this species is not handled by this
mass-merchandiser... Is this what you have:
http://images.google.com/images?as_q=Mystus+leucophasis&num=20&btnG=
Goodle+Search&as_epq=&hl=&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&as_filetype
=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&imgsafe=active>
I have 13 tanks 3
of which are 55 gal so If I need to put 1 per 55 I can do it or buy bigger
if need be.
<I suspect you have a much larger Pangasiid relative... do see fishbase.org re
identification here... Search for the genus>
Thank you for all your help.
Sheri
<Glad to help. Bob Fenner>
Brooding ID "Shark" Catfish 9/1/06
I read about someone thinking his/her ID shark might be pregnant. You
responded it would be highly unlikely. My male ID shark is brooding the
female's eggs. They are about 6 years old and approximately 12 inches long in a
55 gallon breeder size tank. My husband and I caught him to look in his mouth
thinking he swallowed some gravel. There are about four or five creamy-yellow
eggs the size of small marbles. I do not expect that they will actually hatch,
but who knows. If you need any documentation I will do so. Expectant fish
grandma? Kim B. 8/31/06
<Neat! I wonder what species of Pangasiid catfish you actually have... Please
see here:
http://fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?ID=134
(the species links below) and:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/pangasiids.htm
Bob Fenner>
FW Minnow Sharks, Pangasiid Catfish Shark... comp. mostly 6/5/06
Crew:
<<Paula. Tom with you.>>
I was reading your information on the different types of sharks/minnows.
Under the Apollo shark it said "best kept singly." Does this mean only this
fish in a small tank or only one of this type of fish along with others in a
tank?
<<These fish don't get along with others of their species or with similar
types of fish. Not an uncommon situation with certain varieties.>>
Also, will tri-color, iridescent, and Apollo sharks get along without
fighting in one tank that holds about 40-50 gallons?
<<The Tri-color (Bala) Shark will quickly outgrow this tank. It's active and
fast requiring lots of swimming room. Scratch the Iridescent Shark from your
list completely. It can reach over three feet in length and shouldn't be
sold to hobbyists. The Apollo Shark will probably see the Tri-color Shark as
an adversary due to the similarities in their appearances. A 50-gallon tank
would probably suffice for the Apollo Shark, however.>>
Thanks for the help.
Paula
<<Please continue your research, Paula. I commend you for doing your
homework but there's still much to learn. My best. Tom>>
ID shark woe
I have been doing some reading and it seems I should not have an id shark in
a 33 gal tank. He is about 7 inches and I love him but should I give him away to
someone with a larger tank? boo hoo? If I give him back to the fish store won't
they just sell him to the next ill-informed hobbyist?
<I would move this fish... to a larger system... it will be "unhappy", too
likely to jump out, harm itself dashing into the side of your 33>
They told me my tank was fine when I suggested it may be too small.
I think he may also have fin rot. What should I do about that?
Melafix or Maracyn II.
<Best to move it to a larger, clean system... allow it to self-heal, quick!>
Anywho if you could set me up with a good list for a freshwater community tank
which already houses 1 Pleco, some java fern and some corkscrew Val I would
greatly appreciate it as the local fish store people seem to know squat ( they
also told me 6 comets would be fine with my id shark, a school of neon tetra and
two black Kuhlis in a 33 gal tank).
<What? Goldfish in with tropicals? No... do take a look through the survey
articles on freshwater posted on WetWebMedia.com>
It is frustrating when the people I turn to give bad advice. You are now my
knight in shining armor.
<Not too shiny>
I e-mailed you yesterday with some info if you recall but will do so again.
33 gal tank
DynaFlo 3 filter
3 way cartridge filter
temp mid 70's
<Be chatting, Bob Fenner>
New Shark
Dear Mr. Fenner,
I purchased a new shark a day ago at the local pet store. They called it a "blue
white fin shark" since it has horizontal blue and white stripes on it. I can't
seem to find any information on this shark anywhere and I need to know how to
care for it.
<please resist buying an animal before you know its needs, my friend... at any
rate, by the description it is still unclear what species you have. Please
browse our archives from the index page at WetWebMedia.com. AS just a guess...
does the body shape of your fish resemble the iridescent shark here:
http://kingsoftheaquarium.tripod.com/iridescentshark.htm>
It doesn't seem to eat anything right now. At this time I am not sure as to how
large this shark grows, if it will get along with the other fish, or any general
information on it.
<if it is the above species... it is peaceful but grows enormous (18+")>
The shark, which is about 2" in length, is in a 10 gallon fish tank with 2 zebra
Danios (I'm not positive about the name, but they are zebra fish), 1 cat fish, 2
Gouramis, 1 painted glass fish, 2 Neon Orange Mickey Mouse Platies, 2 tetras
(whose type of tetra is unknown). The pet store employees weren't very helpful,
as they didn't know much about the shark. Please help me A.S.A.P. by sending me
information about the shark (how to care for it, if it gets along with other
fish, and how large it grows). This will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
for your time and help,
<best regards, Anthony>
Re: New Shark
Dear Mr. Fenner,
<The previous reply was from Anthony Calfo. Steven Pro here with the follow up.>
Thanks for your help before. I think I have the iridescent shark you mentioned.
Do you have any advice as to what to do now?
<My best advice is to return the fish.>
We didn't know any information on it because the store gave the improper name
for the shark and they never provided us with any information about it.
<And yet you still elected to purchase it anyway knowing nothing about its adult
size or captive care requirements. Do not get me wrong. I understand how easy it
is to just get whatever your store recommends, but these are live animals. And
with their purchase, we assume responsibility for their lives. The live or die
dependent completely on us. It is therefore our duty to fully understand what
our pets need and to sincerely determine whether we can meet their requirements
before we buy them. I will climb down off of my soap box now.>
We only have a 10 gallon with 10 other tropical fish (as mentioned in the
previous message).
<From your previous listing, I would stick with peaceful Barbs (such as the Rosy
or Cherry Barbs) and different types of Tetras.>
Thanks again, Brittany Simmons
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
INFECTED IRIDESCENT SHARK
I have an Iridescent Shark that is 3 to 4 inches long. Last week a "bubble"
appeared on his side. It really looked more like a blister. When I came home
from work, it had "popped" and now he has a hole in his side. This doesn't look
like any of the ulcerative type pictures on your site, it is literally a hole. I
watched him, and noticed a small bit of air inside the hole that slowly gets
larger until a line of bubbles comes from his side. He isn't acting different,
but surely this isn't normal. I can get some pictures. Do you have any
suggestions? Thanks, Audra
< You shark has a bacterial infection that sounds like it needs to be treated.
Make sure the tank is clean by doing a 30% water change and vacuum the gravel.
Clean the filter too. Check the water. Ammonia and nitrites should be zero.
Nitrates should be under 25 ppm. Treat the tank with Nitrofuranace as per the
directions on the box. It may affect the good bacteria that break down the fish
waste so check for ammonia spikes. You may need to add Bio-Spira after treating
to establish the good bacteria back in your tank.-Chuck>
New Shark
Dear Mr. Fenner,
I purchased a new shark a day ago at the local pet store. They called it a "blue
white fin shark" since it has horizontal blue and white stripes on it. I can't
seem to find any information on this shark anywhere and I need to know how to
care for it.
<please resist buying an animal before you know its needs, my friend... at any
rate, by the description it is still unclear what species you have. Please
browse our archives from the index page at WetWebMedia.com. AS just a guess...
does the body shape of your fish resemble the iridescent shark here:
http://kingsoftheaquarium.tripod.com/iridescentshark.htm>
It doesn't seem to eat anything right now. At this time I am not sure as to how
large this shark grows, if it will get along with the other fish, or any general
information on it.
<if it is the above species... it is peaceful but grows enormous (18+")>
The shark, which is about 2" in length, is in a 10 gallon fish tank with 2 zebra
Danios (I'm not positive about the name, but they are zebra fish), 1 cat fish, 2
Gouramis, 1 painted glass fish, 2 Neon Orange Mickey Mouse Platies, 2 tetras
(whose type of tetra is unknown). The pet store employees weren't very helpful,
as they didn't know much about the shark. Please help me A.S.A.P. by sending me
information about the shark (how to care for it, if it gets along with other
fish, and how large it grows). This will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
for your time and help,
<best regards, Anthony>
Re: New Shark
Dear Mr. Fenner,
<The previous reply was from Anthony Calfo. Steven Pro here with the follow up.>
Thanks for your help before. I think I have the iridescent shark you mentioned.
Do you have any advice as to what to do now?
<My best advice is to return the fish.>
We didn't know any information on it because the store gave the improper name
for the shark and they never provided us with any information about it.
<And yet you still elected to purchase it anyway knowing nothing about its adult
size or captive care requirements. Do not get me wrong. I understand how easy it
is to just get whatever your store recommends, but these are live animals. And
with their purchase, we assume responsibility for their lives. The live or die
dependent completely on us. It is therefore our duty to fully understand what
our pets need and to sincerely determine whether we can meet their requirements
before we buy them. I will climb down off of my soap box now.>
We only have a 10 gallon with 10 other tropical fish (as mentioned in the
previous message).
<From your previous listing, I would stick with peaceful Barbs (such as the Rosy
or Cherry Barbs) and different types of Tetras.>
Thanks again, Brittany Simmons
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
A black iridescent shark question
I have a black iridescent shark approximately 6 inches long. I noticed yesterday
that it looked like he had a festering sore right behind his
left-sided fin; now today it looks like an actual hole. I called the local pet
store, but they weren't sure and would do some checking - any ideas what
it is and what to do for it??? I did a water check and everything is right on
where it should be. He's in a 55-gal tank with another iridescent black
shark, platys, Dragonfish, Dojos, clown loaches, and has been since May of this
year. Thanks in advance.
Hi Cheryl, Can you give us the actual readings on your water? Ammonia, nitrite,
nitrate and pH. Also, what is your water change schedule? Your sharks problem
may have to do with high nitrates. That's a lot of "soon to be large" fish in a
55 gallon. As adults the sharks will reach over four feet! You'll need to plan
for there long term care. The clown loaches will hit eight inches or more. With
this many growing fish it's common to have your nitrates spike quickly. Long
term high nitrates can cause skin problems.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "Dragonfish", common names being what they
are. Do you have a link to a picture?
Don
Iridescent shark
We have an iridescent shark that has out grown our 55 gallon tank. It was 3-4
inches long when we got it, and is now 14-15 inches long. It kept running into
the sides and was not able to turn around with out getting skittish. Had made
several jumps to the top and scraped chunks out of the skin. One night it
actually jumped out of the tank onto the floor. We bought a 125 and that was
very hard on the shark to move it. The fins got caught in the net, but
everything has healed. Our problem is, since we have moved the shark, it has
not eaten. It has been about a month now. We have fed tetra flake food,
sinking pellet food, which is what it ate all of the time, krill, Tubifex
worms. Temp is about 75, changed the water last night and the nitrate was a
little high, but still not eating. Have platys and Cory cats, which was in the
other tank with it also.
Any suggestions - HELP we have put a lot of money and effort into this shark
and do not want anything to happen to it.
< Try raising the water temp to 80 degrees F. They come from fast moving waters
so make sure the filter is adequate for the tank and pumping at least 400
gallons per hour. Make sure that the water has zero ammonia and nitrites and
that the nitrates stay below 25 ppm. I think I would add an airstone to increase
the aeration of the water too. Try keeping the light off for awhile and let him
get use to the new tank. You fish may have sustained some internal injuries
during the move. If the above suggestions don't improve things in about a week
then I would recommend treating the tank with Metronidazole. This will be
expensive in a big tank but I don't think I would risk moving him again.-Chuck>
Thanks
SSimpson
Burned ID Sharks
No one seems to be able to help me answer my question. I have two small ID
sharks in a 10 gallon tank. They have both had ich before but it is long gone.
In the past week I noticed red marks on the back side of them. They are starting
to go away, but now my one shark is covered on one side and all along his tummy
and underside with clear bubbles, that almost look like boils?! He is still
active and is still eating but I am concerned with how quickly it spread and
that my other shark might get it. What is it, how do I get rid of it, and will
my sharks die?
<Sounds like either the medicine itself burned the fish or that it killed off
your biofilter... I would add a teaspoon of salt to the water, test for ammonia
and nitrite and be careful about not over-feeding till it recycles. Bob Fenner>
Re: Burned ID Sharks
Well, now the shark still has the boils but they have filled up with blood.
There are no red marks left. Just the boils that are now full of blood? Any idea
what the boils are or how to get rid of them. One is right in his gill and
worries me?!
<Mmm, sorry for the delayed reply (have been on a liveaboard out of the
country)... only time and improved, steady water quality, decent nutrition will
show if your minnow sharks will recover. Bob Fenner>
INFECTED IRIDESCENT SHARK
I have an Iridescent Shark that is 3 to 4 inches long. Last week a "bubble"
appeared on his side. It really looked more like a blister. When I came home
from work, it had "popped" and now he has a hole in his side. This doesn't look
like any of the ulcerative type pictures on your site, it is literally a hole. I
watched him, and noticed a small bit of air inside the hole that slowly gets
larger until a line of bubbles comes from his side. He isn't acting different,
but surely this isn't normal. I can get some pictures. Do you have any
suggestions? Thanks, Audra
< You shark has a bacterial infection that sounds like it needs to be treated.
Make sure the tank is clean by doing a 30% water change and vacuum the gravel.
Clean the filter too. Check the water. Ammonia and nitrites should be zero.
Nitrates should be under 25 ppm. Treat the tank with Nitrofuranace as per the
directions on the box. It may affect the good bacteria that break down the fish
waste so check for ammonia spikes. You may need to add Bio-Spira after treating
to establish the good bacteria back in your tank.-Chuck>
FW minnow shark disease
Hello-
I need a little help here. We have a 75 gallon freshwater tank. We have had what
I think is an ongoing problem of some sort of disease. I have already had 2
Iridescent Sharks die. They begin to stop eating get really skinny and then just
swimming all weird. Top of the tank bottom and middle. I'm a little confused I
just don't see why its only the Iridescent Sharks, no one else seems to be
showing any signs of disease. The first 2 died within a few days of each
other, now it has been about 3 weeks since we have had any problem and now we
have it starting all over again. The tank includes 2 bala sharks, 1 gold shark,
1 silver shark, 1 cigar shark, 2 glass cats, 1 ghost knife, 1 coolie loach, and
2 iridescent. We are running a Aqua Clear 500 and a Aqua tech 20-40. plus 2 Aqua
clear 4000 power heads, for under gravel filtration. The tank has been running
since June 25th of this year. When we set up the tank we started it with A
miracle and a 700 gph pump (little giant). In about
September we noticed a crack in the sump and immediately replaced it with the
filtration that is on it now. About 3 weeks the filter crashed we first noticed
the first iridescent swimming disoriented, and then he stopped eating, then
died, The 2nd one followed shortly there after. We suspect the tank recycled
causing stress to induce these deaths. It has now been about a month and we seem
to be having the same problem again with another iridescent only this time there
seems to be damage and some sort of spot on the top fin. If there is anything
you can do to help or maybe give us an idea of what this might be please contact
me by e-mail.
< First of all we need to evaluate the overall health of the tank. For that you
need to get some testing done. Measure the ammonia and nitrites. They should be
zero all the time. Any readings mean that the nitrogenous wastes are not being
completely being broken down by the bacteria and you will need to address that.
Secondly is get a reading on the total nitrates . They should be less than 25
ppm but some fish may not be able to handle even that high of a reading and you
iridescent sharks may fall into that category. They may not die out right but
instead succumb to diseases for which they never recover from. The nitrates can
be reduced by servicing the filter regularly and by doing weekly water changes.
The amount of water is determined by the fish and how they are being kept. For
general purposes we usually recommend about 25% per week.-Chuck>
Jamie
Iridescent Shark Question
I have had my Iridescent shark about 2 months. He
recently got a infection (tail and fin rot) and I treated the tank and I think I
have got rid of the parasite; overall, his appearance looks good, but he is
acting depressed. My fish will not eat, or hardly even move. I even
got him some other fish friends and he won't do anything. The new fish are
not acting the same as him. Does he still have a parasite? I use a
water neutralizer and stress coat because he is such a nervous fish.
< Try a 30% water change and service the filter. Check the water
temp. and make sure it is around 80 F. Try some live or frozen food to get him
interested in feeding again.-Chuck>
Iridescent Shark Patchy
I have an iridescent shark and approximately one week ago, he developed a
white raised pimple-like bump surrounded by a small white patch on his right
side just below his head. I have seen ich before and this does not look like it.
He is the only fish in the tank at this time. Over the past few days, the bump
seems to have gone down slightly but the white patch underneath seems to be
getter larger. He does not seem as active as he usually is. Any ideas on what
this could be; could he have injured himself somehow? Any help would be
appreciated. R. MoDavis
<<Dear R; It's hard to say. First I will ask you to test your water, this is
always the first step when problems arise. Make sure ammonia and nitrites are
zero, and nitrates are low, say 20 to 60ppm, give or take. Next, temperature
must be stable, around 78F is fine. How big is the shark, and how big is the
tank? How often do you do water changes? Why is he the only fish in there?
Curing the problem could be as simple as adding some Melafix. But if other fish
have died in that tank recently due to water quality problems, ich, or bacterial
infections, you will need to do some work to save this shark. Let me know.
-Gwen>>
Salinity & Fuzzy Skinned Sharks
Hello and thank you in advance.
<Good morning!>
In February I purchased a 35 gallon hex freshwater tank. It is populated with
the following: 3 tiger barbs, 2 rosy barbs, 2 Gouramis, 2 iridescent shark
catfish, 1 pleco, and 1 glass fish (the other 3 died yesterday and today). All
fish except for the glass fish are 'original' members. When setting up my tank,
I was told 1 tablespoon of salt per gallon but on your site I read that it
should be 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons. Which is correct? I also have a salt
hydrometer, what is an acceptable salinity level for a freshwater tank?
<It should be one Tbsp per 5 gallons or even less. 1 per gallon is way too
salty!>
In addition, last week (prior to introducing the 4 glass fish) I noticed that
the 'sharks' looked fuzzy and it has gotten worse.
<You added new fish when the current ones were looking ill? Never a good idea my
friend.>
Last night I ran to Petco and read about different diseases and determined that
the 'sharks' have a fungus. I treated the tank last night with fungus
medicine. I don't remember the name but I had to open up the capsules and
release the contents into the tank, turning the water green. I am suppose to
wait 48 hours and repeat the medicine then wait another 48 hours and put the
carbon back in and change 25% of the water. Prior to putting in the medicine, I
removed the carbon as directed. Within a few hours of medicating the fish, 2 of
the glass fish died and another this afternoon. They (glass fish) have only
been in the tank since Saturday, could they have been ill prior to putting in my
tank or could the medicine kill them?
<The Glass Fish probably died from medication overdose. Fish that have small or
no scales are extremely sensitive to medication and should only be given half
doses.>
How deadly is a fungus and why aren't the other fish affected? Any help you can
give would be appreciated, my daughter is distraught that her fish are dying and
I don't think the 'sharks' are going to make it.
<The deadliness will depend on exactly what it is. Check here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwfshparasites.htm
to see if you can find out exactly what it is and treat accordingly.>
FYI, I have a Fluval 300 and keep the temp around 78 degrees. Every 3 weeks I
change approximately 6-10 gallons. I check the PH level every other day and
keep the tank at 7.0 (neutral). What am I doing wrong if I even am?
<This all sounds good. Ronni>
Jennifer
Re: Salinity & Fuzzy Skinned Sharks
Ronni:
<Hi Jennifer>
Well, I no longer have the fungus in my tank and my shark's body has cleared up
BUT we now have another issue. The tiger barbs and Gouramis are now picking on
the shark b/c he is on his own. He now has some missing scales and I am afraid
of infection setting in causing his demise. Unfortunately, I am unable to
remove him into a separate tank. He has been hiding under an archway to protect
his back and he is eating well. Would a salt dip help? If so, what should be
the water/salt ratio? Thanks in advance. Jennifer
<A salt dip may help heal his wounds but he’s still going to get picked on which
will cause more wounds. You really need to isolate him, provide more cover and
more shark-mates, or get rid of him. Ronni>
Re: Salinity & Fuzzy Skinned Sharks
Ronni:
The link you gave me I had already checked and the fungus symptoms are exactly
what the sharks have. Unfortunately, we lost a shark this morning and I expect
the other shark to expire before evening unless I am extremely lucky.
<I’m sorry>
I noticed this morning that my 2 rosy barbs have one eye that is puffy (with the
sharks that was the last thing to be affected). Should I continue the medicine
for the remaining fish to eliminate this disease????
<The best thing to do is isolate the fish that are showing symptoms into a
separate quarantine tank and medicate them in there. If that isn’t possible,
treat your main tank with a half dose of the medication.>
Thanks, Jennifer
<You're welcome! Ronni>
ID shark woe
I have been doing some reading and it seems I should not have an id shark in
a 33 gal tank. He is about 7 inches and I love him but should I give him away to
someone with a larger tank? boo hoo? If I give him back to the fish store won't
they just sell him to the next ill-informed hobbyist?
<I would move this fish... to a larger system... it will be "unhappy", too
likely to jump out, harm itself dashing into the side of your 33>
They told me my tank was fine when I suggested it may be too small.
I think he may also have fin rot. What should I do about that?
Melafix or Maracyn II.
<Best to move it to a larger, clean system... allow it to self-heal, quick!>
Anywho if you could set me up with a good list for a freshwater community tank
which already houses 1 Pleco, some java fern and some corkscrew Val I would
greatly appreciate it as the local fish store people seem to know squat ( they
also told me 6 comets would be fine with my id shark, a school of neon tetra and
two black Kuhlis in a 33 gal tank).
<What? Goldfish in with tropicals? No... do take a look through the survey
articles on freshwater posted on WetWebMedia.com>
It is frustrating when the people I turn to give bad advice. You are now my
knight in shining armor.
<Not too shiny>
I e-mailed you yesterday with some info if you recall but will do so again.
33 gal tank
DynaFlo 3 filter
3 way cartridge filter
temp mid 70's
<Be chatting, Bob Fenner>
Iridescent shark breeding?
Hi,
<Hello>
We have two Iridescent sharks in a 125 gallon tank along with a few other
fishes. The sharks are about 6 years old and are approximately 18" long each.
One of them appears to be pregnant. Her middle has gotten very round recently
and she seems to be swimming a little more slowly than usual. I've read that
Iridescent sharks don't reproduce in a home aquarium so I'm wondering if there's
just something wrong with her.
<Mm. I very, very much doubt that they'll spawn. For one, they're still quite
small (yup, small....), and for two, you got it, they don't seem to spawn in
aquaria. They do, however, spawn commercially in enormous ponds and such. But
it could be that she is egg-laden, which would certainly make her rounded, and
would not necessarily lead to breeding. If it is an illness/condition, it's
most likely constipation - what are you feeding them? Also, what are your water
parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH)?>
If she is pregnant what is the gestation period and what should we do about
quarantining the babies or if she's ill what should we do about it?
<Well, I doubt if you'll be dealing with babies - but if you do, most definitely
do keep good notes and keep us informed! If she's constipated, you might try
feeding her chopped earthworms. She should accept them, and they have a good
roughage content, so might help her clear any blockage.>
Please advise as soon as possible. If she may be ill we want to remove her from
the tank.
<My apologies for any tardiness.... I don't think you'll need to remove her
from the tank, at least, not yet; but please do keep in mind, these guys can
potentially reach a staggering fifty-two inches!! Now, if only I could glass in
the house, and have a tank for myself to live in in the middle of
it.... ;) -Sabrina>
Thanks for your help.
Beth Domanski
Novice-need help!!!! Learn before you burn... FW induced troubles
3/23/06
Hi I have been reading and I think your website is amazing, probably the
best out there!!! Thanx for all your
help!!!! You are all great!!! Anyhow, I am so new at this and this is probably
the most ridiculous questions but I need
some answers:
1- Today I've been seeing one of my ID sharks just sort of laying around the
plants (plastic) not being his active self,
at one point I thought he was dead cause he was just laying on it not moving,
then he rapidly moves across the tank
and does the same thing on the other plants? I have also noticed that he looks a
bit swollen around his belly, he wasn't like this before, my husband thinks it
may be pregnant but it's so tiny, I doubt that!!!?HELP!!!! I hope he is ok!!!
what should I do????
<When, where in doubt, a partial water change... What do your water quality test
kits show?>
2-I don't know how big my tank is it looked pretty big to me when I bought it it
was a complete
tank with all access: heater, filter, food, etc..) The filter it came with says
it's for a 5 to 15 gal tank
so I guess that's it???!!!!
<There are about 231 cubic inches in a U.S. gallon... calculate>
Anyway the question is, I don't know if this tank is big enough -- for now--
<Maybe not... could be these shark catfishes are just suffering from low
dissolved oxygen... The real root issue here is highly environmental...>
I know I
have to upgrade eventually cause my fish will grow big but for now is it ok to
have 2 baby iridescent
sharks(<2 inches each), 2 tiny upside-down catfishes(<1/2 inch), 1 Pleco (about
2 inches) and 4 tiny neon tetras?
<Mis mixed>
3-How often does my tank need water change? some say every wk others say every 4
wks? But just recently
(3 wks after getting tank and fishes) I have noticed that the water is starting
to cloud up, should I change the water?
4-How often do I feed my fishes? Food says 2-3 times a day, people at the pet
store say 1-2x daily and I had someone
tell me that he feeds his fishes every other day?????? So I've been feeding
1/daily????
<Posted... on WWM>
5- Should I feed my Pleco peas? Zucchini? will the other fish eat these??? Is
that OK?
6- and the most stupid question of all is:::::: When I clean my tank should I
take my fish out and put them in another
small tank until I'm done cleaning or do I do this with the fish in the tank????
Doing it while they are in there doesn't sound
right, but won't taking them out of the tank and then putting them back in
stress then out?????
Sorry for all the questions but the people at the pet store don't seem to know
what they are talking about, and already
I'm attached to my fishes so I want to take very good care of them, plus I'm
excited to see them grow!!! Thank you
for your time and for answering all these crazy questions!!!!
<These issues are detailed on our site. Read, learn to use the indices, search
tool... Much for you to be aware of related to these issues. Bob Fenner>
Iridescent shark starved itself to death... Mmm, not likely 3/18/06
I have a 20 gallon tank, well cycled and up and running for about 2 months.
I have had a couple of Iridescent sharks ( 2 inches long) since the beginning.
<You do realize how large this fish gets?>
For over a month and observed that one of the sharks "ate up" all the food and
didn't allow the other shark any chance to feed.
<They are voracious feeders, yes>
I saw that, the shark that ate everything only ate the floating food and didn't
touch the once that sunk to the bottom.
I read somewhere that some sharks may eat the sunken food and this should not be
a issue.
So, I put in sinking food, but never saw the other shark eat.
<Mmm, beware, or be aware that such common name, labels as "shark" have nothing
other than external appearances in common... most FW "Minnow Sharks" are
cyprinids... the Iridescent Shark is a pangasiid catfish...>
Its been 2 months, and I thought everything was okay. Then, I introduced 3
swordtails, 2 guppies over a period of one month.
<Yikes... would be eaten in the not-so-long term>
Now, the guppies and swordtails did compete for the floating food with the
shark. (I do put enough quantity to suffice everybody !!).
After a month, I see that the shark that did not compete for food passed away. I
guess, the sunken food was ate by the guppies and swordtail starving the shark
to death. am I right ?!
<Not likely, but possible>
the water chemistry is fine and all the other fish are active and happily
swimming around.
How do I make sure that all my fishes get enough quantity of food ?!
<Mmm, first and best by investigating their individual species "needs"... for
environment, water quality, foods/feeding, compatibility. The "shark" mentioned
is way out of line with what you list here>
I would like to add more fish. I would like to have fish that swim around
actively and the water from the tap is pretty hard.
<Ahh! A good start>
A Betta or tetras, which one is a better option for my tank inmates ?!
<Read my friend... on WWM, books, the Net at large...>
Thanks in advance for the help.
--
~Sunil
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/pangasiidcatfaqs.htm
and the links you'll find... yes, this fish grows to a few feet in length...
quickly! Bob Fenner>
Re: iridescent shark starved itself to death... 3/20/06
Thank you for the quick response !!!
<Welcome>
Yes, I realized a bit late about the size my iridescent shark will get to (yeah
.. its a "catfish"... but, I still love to call it a "shark" just
because he looks like one !!). I have decided to give him back and get some
fishes suited for my tank.
<Good>
As I mentioned below, one of my sharks passed away and two days later, the
other shark is also showing the same behaviour. It was eating properly until
the other shark died and now, it is swimming slowly at the bottom of the tank
and hasn't eaten anything for the past two days. There are no visible signs of
sickness or injury. The water chemistry is okay. I just wanted to make it
healthier before I gave it back. But, tonight, it seems to have lost all energy
(he had a stomach full two days ago, and I don't think the fishes go that weak
if they go without food for two days), all that he does is lie low and
motionless and almost dead.
<Such "high energy" animals have to be fed very often... at least twice daily...
high protein foods are better...>
All I can do now, is look at him, helpless and unable to do anything to make
him feel better. I did a 30% water change.
What else can I do ?!
<More animal make-up food, more often>
sad and heart broken,
Sunil
<Do what you can and be satisfied. Bob Fenner>
i.d Shark 3/2/06
Hi there I just emailed you but i just thought of another question sorry
about that! My i.d shark does not seem to like to come out during the day but
when i shut the light off he comes out. It seems to me like he is just playing
shy but we have had him for3-4 months now. Why is he doing this? We have taken
him out a couple times and changed the tank around to see if that would help
because we were told that it could be a territorial thing but he still just lies
on the bottom of the tank and if he sees us looking in the tank then he hides
behind something. Can you explain to me what ich looks like please and what i
can do if I get it in my tank? I have 2 fish i believe are pregnant and i do not
want to take any chances with ich and just want to have a heads up about it.
Thank you very much I love your site it is so helpful. I have spend the last 3-4
months looking for good information but i have not yet been able to find
anything. A lot of websites contradict themselves. Amy
<Please see WWM (use the Google search tool on the site) and fishbase.org re
this fish... You will soon know its ultimate size and water quality requirements
make it incompatible here. Bob Fenner> <<http://fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=14154>>...
yes... five feet long... needs a six foot long tank, others of its own kind...
will eat all else you presently have>>
The Great White Shark of FW Aquariums 2/1/06
Hi,
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
My son received a ID Shark for Christmas in a 5 gallon tank. As you do, we added
a few things: stones, plastic water plants and a kissing fish along with a
heater and small charcoal filter.
<Woah! That kissing gourami will grow as large as a foot & your iridescent
shark, 4 feet! Here's a pic of an adult:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/pangasii/pangasiu/172_12.PHP There
aren't too many fish that live out their life in a 5g tank, other than a betta
or a few tetras.>
It is now a month later and today we have notice that the ID shark is acting
rather frantic, with pauses of lying on his side. The other fish is chasing him,
which is new as of today.
<Kissing gouramis can get quite aggressive.>
The food and the water purifier are all recommended by the pet shop. The only
thing we can think of is that maybe the tank has become too small for the two
fish.
<Correct in your assumption.>
He isn't that large (2 inches) but we were in a pet shop
this past weekend looking to add another fish when we were informed that ID
sharks can grow quite large (8 inches) and that our tank would be too small for
a third fish.
<Correct again, except for the 8" part.>
Do you think it could be the size of the tank at this point?
<Exactly! I'd return them both & buy fish more suitable for such a tiny
tank. Maybe a beautiful betta or 3 small tetras. ~PP>
Janice
P.S. The food is Nutrafin max for tropical fish.
Baby Iridescent Shark, Not Much Info, We Need More 11/2/05
One of my tank houses a 10" iridescent shark, he is rather big
<Uhh, actually, at 10 inches, he's still *tiny*. See here:
http://www.fishbase.com/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=14154 .>
and usually eats very well, but as of lately he has not been eating. All of my
ammonia and nitrites are at 0, and nitrates are a little over 10. Is there
anyway possible to get him eating again?
<Really, not enough information here to go off.... I would try offering meaty
foods of aquatic origin - shrimp, squid.... or frozen meaty fish foods. Wishing
you well, -Sabrina>
Miniature Iridescent Shark Cats - 10/10/2005
Hi, I have had two iridescent sharks for approximately 4 years now. The
bigger of the 2 is approximately 6 or 7 inches long.
<Still very, very tiny.... Please read here:
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=14154. For some reason
(aquarium conditions, food, others....) your fish are quite stunted in growth.
This is not necessarily a good thing.>
Over the past few days it has developed a rather large very noticeable oversized
abdomen as if it were pregnant. Its activity and movement have not changed, what
could this be?
<At this size, it is not pregnant. My first guess would be that the animal is
constipated..... but there's just not enough information here for me to go off.>
Please help me.......
<Wishing you well, -Sabrina>
I was just wondering, can I keep an Iridescent shark( Pangasius
hypophthalmus) in a pond of about 2 feet deep? 9/1/05
<That is not really a question of depth, but of the temperature in your
pond, and the filtration. You would need consistent temperatures above 75 F, and
a good strong filtration. This species is also a bit sensitive to Ick and i
would be concerned in a pond where it will be difficult to examine. Good Luck,
Oliver > The Pangasius sutchii - Next time, Please Refer to the Corrections
FIRST link!
Dear ????,
<Mike G with you this afternoon>
ill introduce myself: I'm Bennie Tuil from Holland and found your email
on the internet. id like to know if you really got the Pangasius
sutchii.
<I don't quite follow what you are asking. I myself do not have any
Pangasius as they grow to large for the aquaria I maintain.>
because I do have the Pangasius sutchii but id like some info. about
them.
<Pangasius sutchii are fish that are, for the most part, unsuitable for
home aquaria. They attain very large sizes, and are actually a food fish
in their native land. Please refer to the following links for more
information on this fish:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/pangasiids.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/pangasiidcatfaqs.htm
Best of luck, Mike G>
sincerely yours:
Bennie Tuil
Holland
Monster Tank
I just purchased a 36 gallon tank after I had a very bad week with my 5
gallon tank. I had an iridescent shark & 4 goldfish. All the goldfish died one
day at a time. The shark barely survived. We had to do an emergency 1/2 water
change, change the filter, clean the bio wheel & he still appeared dead. He was
literally vertical head up, tail down, I finally got him back with holding him
horizontal with the net. A few days later, he is alive & well, although very
lonely. I stick tested the water & there were extremely high levels of nitrate
(before the water change). Now that I bought the 36 gallon corner unit fish tank
I need help deciding what the best filtration system would be. As a kid I had a
20 gallon tank with an UG filter along with a regular filter. That seem to work
great, but with such a large tank I'm not sure what would be best. Now they have
those canister filters, the filters that hang inside the tank, the UG filters &
probably more. We purchased an UG filtration & a Tetra Whisper Power Filter 40.
The instructions actually suggest the Tetra Whisper Power Filter 40i which sits
inside the tank (better for corner units). So before I start taking these back
to the store & purchasing new ones, I was hoping for some good advise. Should I
use 2 filters or just a canister filter or just one that sits inside the
aquarium? I am hoping to transfer our survivor to the new tank & use the 5
gallon tank for 1 or 2 goldfish for my daughter. I also hope to add another
shark & some other fresh water fish to the new tank. Should I also put live
plants in the new tank? I have never experienced that either. Please help me
have a healthy aquarium.
Thank you,
Amanda
<Amanda, you have a monster in your tank. You need to return the shark. An
Iridescent will grow to over four feet! Please see here:
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/pangasii/pangasiu/172_f.php Even a
single Goldfish is to many for a five gallon. If it has a filter and heater a
Betta and a few Corys would work. Without a heater try about 5 White Clouds.
Never clean a Bio Wheel. It's function is to grow a bacterial colony that
removes ammonia from your water. It takes weeks to recover once lost. I hate
UGFs, I wouldn't put it in. If you already did, I suggest you remove it. So, you
need to go to the pet store. Take back the shark. No way around that unless you
want to flood your basement for him. Pick up a test kit for ammonia, nitrite and
nitrate with a new filter. Many fine brands/styles on the market. I like the
Marineland Power Filters with the Bio Wheel. Get one that will pump around 225
to 275 gallon per hour. Do not bring home any fish. Get the filter running and
the temp around 78. Throw in a small raw shrimp. First ammonia, and later
nitrite will spike and crash. When they stay at zero and nitrates are on the
rise you are "cycled" and can start to slowly stock your tanks. No water changes
needed until there are fish in there. Expect this to take about 6 weeks. Don>
Black fin FW shark
I supposedly have a black fin shark. I have read on a website that it is
called a Tetra Catfish. Is this true?
< I can only find them listed as Black Finned sharks, but common names are often
different in different areas of the country.>
I also need a way too sex it. It is fully black except all around its fins is
white, and one or two of its
whiskers is white. (WHISKERS!)
< Your catfish (Pangasius pangasius ) gets huge, around 4 feet long. This fish
probably is not sexually mature until it gets at least 2 to 3 feet long.>
Also I have a mud turtle, 5 minnows, and this shark all in a twenty gallon tank,
but is only filled about five inches high in water for the turtle. I plan to buy
more black fin sharks (AKA Tetra Catfish) so I need a way to tell male from
female! Thanks in advance!
< Nothing is known about their sexing or reproductive behavior in the
aquarium.-Chuck> |
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