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Anthias Identification      8/5/15
Hello Everyone,
<Ryan>
I recently purchased an Anthias that was labeled as a lyretail Anthias although I knew it was not!
<Does have a highly lunate caudal....>
I have looked through your site along with images on the web and have not seen one quite like this. He is between 3-4 inches total length and I would appreciate and help you can offer. I have included 3 pictures to help with identification.
Thank You,
Ryan Satow
<Do you know where this fish was collected? Would you mind if I sent these pix out for others input? Bob Fenner>

Re: Anthias Identification      8/5/15
I asked him if her he knew where it was collected from and said not certain 100% but pretty certain Indonesia. Yes by all means feel free to share with whomever you would like. My guesses are Pseudanthias rubrizonatus or Pseudanthias Marcia
<Ah yes; this appears to be it (Thanks to petfish friends on Facebook for their input)>
but I am by no means an expert.
<Ex spurt.... previously married and flow under pressure?>
Thank You,
Ryan Satow
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: Anthias Identification      8/5/15

Haha... Thank You for your time and educated confirmation!
Ryan Satow
<Welcome! B>

Fish ID/s...     1/11/13
Hi WWM Crew: Thank you for all the help you have given me over the year with your helpful website, you have make this wonderful hobby much more accessible to all of us and save me from many mistakes that I could have make over the years.  Thank you.  I did something the other day that I know I should not have.  But it was love at first sight and I don't regret it. 
I went to my local fish store and took home two fish that I am not familiar with.  I know it was a Wrasses and an Anthias.
<One of both in your pic>
  Beyond its beauty and cuteness, I don't know much about and as usual the shop owner said it was easy to keep kind of fish. 
<Mmm, not on the easy side in my opinion/experience. The Anthiine likely lives (well) in a group setting... the Labrid is easily spooked, not competitive w/ more eager eaters>
I took them home and now I realized I could not even ID them anywhere.  So please help me and let me know what kind of fish is it and how to take care of them.  I feed them two time a day with frozen Mysis shrimp and they seem to be happy in the tank so far.  I have a 75G tank with 120 Pounds of lives rocks, a hang on back protein skimmer, a hang on back refugium and a canister filter.  I do a 20% water change every other week.  Currently, other then the two new fish, I have a Lime Green Wrasses that is about 4 inch long.  Thanks again for all the help.   Patrick
<... The orange fish, the fancy bass... you'll have to search on the Net re... I'd try Fishbase.org, the family Serranidae... the long haul of viewing by genus (likely Anthias)... The wrasse appears to be a Halichoeres species, H. melanurus?
Bob Fenner>


Anthiine ID – 06/12/12
Hello WWM,
<<Hiya Joel>>
I just purchased a few Anthias and I'm not too sure the LFS had them identified correctly. The first photo was listed as female Lyretail Anthias,
<<Out of focus but yes, this does appear to be Pseudanthias squamipinnis>>
and the second photo as male Lyretail Anthias.
<<Mmm, no… This looks to be Pseudanthias bartlettorum, Bartlett's Anthias>>
The yellow Anthias does seem to be the more aggressive of the 3,
<<Generally the other way round with P. bartlettorum in my experience…barring conspecifics>>
I've been doing some research since then (yes backwards I know research first then purchase second) but seems that what I've been coming up with shows that they could be the opposite?
<<Nope…different species altogether. But do have a look here and see what “you” think (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm ).>>
Thanks for the help and the Great Site you have here.
<<Happy to share…is a collective effort. EricR>> 

Luzonichthys sp.      2/23/12
Hi Bob, Berlie brought a couple of these in but not sure which one they are, can you cast your eye over it. Hope all is well, looks like Labasa may start again in the next 2 weeks finally. Cameron Bee (in Fiji, WSI)
<Do agree w/ the guess as to genus... Great news re Labasa! Cheers Cam, BobF>

Photo of Luzonichthys whitleyi, Whitley's Slender Anthias, ID f'     2/24/12
Hi Larry,
It looks like Dave beat you to the cookie by a few hours. Both of you guessed at whitleyi and I believe that Cameron looked it up on that suggestion and confirmed. So we just put a half cookie in your cookie jar. J  Photo of Luzonichthys whitleyi, Whitley's Slender Anthias Poop, looks like it might be this L
http://www.fishnbirds.net/photo.php?cat_name=Saltwater%20Fishes&subcat_name=Anthias%20Fish%20=Whitley%27s%20Slender%20Anthias&tca_id=2&tsc_id=9&tim_id=79  

P. Bartlett and P. Evansi identification photos 9/4/09
Hello WWM,
<Hello Anthony and Diana>
I am writing in response to this one question I read on identifying between the two similar Anthias species.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiIDfaqs.htm
Currently we have both species in the same tank, 240G mixed reef. Here are the photos of our fish: file name evansi-m.JPG for Pseudanthias evansi male, evansi-f.JPG for Pseudanthias evansi female, Bartlett M.JPG for Pseudanthias bartlettorum male. Unfortunately, I do not have any female Bartlett's. The Evansi Anthias seem to have lighter pink with a blue hue on the body and various other features to distinguish them from Bartlett's.
The most noticeable would the dorsal fin.
Hope this helps!
<Thank you for sharing with us.>
Have a great weekend,
<And you. James (Salty Dog)>
Anthony L. and Diana C.

Evan's..................................................Bartlett's

Strange Anthias
Hey all
<Hi Jason, Mich here.>
I found an Anthias at my LFS and they had it listed as a "Pink Anthias". I have searched the web for days with no results other than someone else with the same question.
<www.fishbase.org is you friend.>
What kind of fish is this?
<Looks like a female Pseudanthias tuka to me.>
I have attached a picture that I found on the web that is an exact match to what I purchased. I can't seem to get a decent picture as mine hides behind my overflow still. There is nothing out there that I can find that
can help identify this, so I turn to you. The thread that I got this photo from is full of IDs but nobody can agree. Bartlett seems to be the common guess but no definitive ID can be made.
<Not a Bartlett's.>
Can you help?
<I can't help you too much with their captive care requirements, but I am fairly confident with the ID. Anthias generally like some pretty significant water flow, hiding places and should be offered meaty foods
such as mysis or vitamin soaked brine shrimp and are generally a challenge to keep in captivity.>
Thank you
<Good luck, unfortunately I think you'll need it.>
Jason
<Mich>

Sexing Dispar Anthias -- 02/05/09 Hi, <Hello.> I recently purchased a trio of beautiful Disbar Anthias. <Pseudanthias dispar.> Two of them are doing great and eating like pigs <Good to hear.> but I did lose one of them in the first few days. It seems he fell prey to something in my tank that was ate most of his tail, he died shortly after that. I'm not sure what could have done this except one of my Emerald Crabs. I have a fairly large one that I haven't seen in a while. Anyway, I'd like to replace that fish with another, the problem is I want to make sure I replace it with a female so they will all get along. <May first want to find the reason for the death of the fish before replacing it.> The two I have seem to look very similar except one has a slightly yellow/orange color compared to the other which is more pink. They both swim together most of the time and get along great. As far as I know they could both be female, or both be male for that matter but I would expect them to fight if that was the case. Is there a definite way to sex these fish before I purchase it at my LFS? <With a little training. The male P. dispar have a bright red dorsal fin. The females are yellow to orange with yellow tail and a pink line from the tip of the snout to the lower part of the eye. Their dorsal fin is only pale red. Please see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm Cheers, Marco.>

Coral and Anthias ID 1/17/09 Hi, Can you please ID the coral and the Anthias? <I believe the this is a Dispar Anthias (Pseudanthias dispar). More here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiinFAQs.htm and related links in blue and the coral looks like Galaxea fascicularis to me. More here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/oculinidae.htm > Regards Beta M India
<Cheers,
Mich L
in warm and sunny Los Angeles>

Anthias ID Request 10/19/08 Hi WetWeb Crew, I am hoping you can help me with an Anthias ID. http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii106/thehamza/AnthiasI.jpg http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii106/thehamza/AnthiasII.jpg http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii106/thehamza/AnthiasIII.jpg Sorry for the quality of the pictures, I was in a rush to take them. My own searching leads me to believe the specimens may be Pseudanthias tuka. However, I hope this is not the case. <I do believe you are correct. You seem to already know to ramifications.> If these are among the more difficult Anthias, I hope to return them (they were sold to me as being "hardier than Bartlett's"). <Definitely not.> At the moment, both are in my 90-gallon and have taken to eating Cyclops rather quickly. Thanks for your time, M. Hamza Arian
<Welcome, Scott V.>

Anthias identification -- 09/18/08 Hi again guys, <Hello Simon.> had some help off you a while ago with seahorse compatibility but have changed around numerous times since then and I'm just setting up my first 6ft tank after running my 4ft very successfully for a long time now, just get all the sump sorted out (no more canisters :)) I'm looking at getting larger fish such as angels, tangs and triggers etc in my new set up and would firstly like to ask how you think the Anthias would get along with these, I'm looking at purple tang, maybe majestic angel and crosshatch triggers (hopefully pair). <I is spelled with a capital 'I' and Anthias also begins a capital letter. When they are feeding, they can get along with the angel, the tang and possibly the triggers, too.> Anyway to the point, I have these two Anthias in my tank at the mo that I will be putting into my 6ft if compatible with these other fish I mentioned, I put them in about a week ago now and they still occasionally lock jaws and nip at each other just after lights go out and my moonlights come on, they occasionally nip in the day but usually only when I feed. Are these fish both males (they are the same colour) or are they just converting to male and female and going through the dominance fight? <One will change into a male, but if aggression does continue, they have to be separated to avoid loosing one specimen.> I was considering adding more of these to have a small shoal of around 5, would you advise this? <Can be done, but is not necessary. They can be kept in a harem of one male and several females or as a pair.> I've been told they are better in larger groups of an odd number? <Not necessarily.> Also can you tell me the species, as I have been told they are lyre tail Anthias, but they have the red tips to the tail? <Could also be Threadfins Nemanthias carberryi from your picture, which have the red tips. Compare to the following pictures. Here's a (probable) female: http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Photos/PicturesSummary.php?StartRow=9&ID=12730&what=species&TotRec=12 and here's a male: http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Photos/PicturesSummary.php?StartRow=0&ID=12730&what=species&TotRec=12.> I've checked on the net but can't find any like this. Many thanks again guys and keep up the great work on this amazing and helpful site. All the best. Simon (Birmingham, England). <Please read http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm pages 1 and 2 and the FAQs for further information. Cheers, Marco (Heidelberg, Germany).>

Anthias identification II -- 09/18/08 Thanks for the speedy reply as always, and sorry for the spelling earlier was in a bit of a rush so didn't spell check. The info on compatibility and grouping of the Anthias is great and really helpful, although I'm still tempted to add at least another one in the tank. <Can work as a harem in larger tanks.> I'm still confused about the identification of the fish though, it does look very similar to the thread fin as you said but I have checked all over the net and have still not come up with another picture of one with the red tips to the tail, clearly shown on the top Anthias in my picture I sent, <Just have a look at Fishbase. Nemanthias carberryi:
http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=12730. Click to make the pictures larger. Many do have the red tips. Beware that Pseudanthias huchtii sometimes is also referred to as Threadfin, but this is not your species.> any other clues, or do you think it may be a hybrid? <No.> I have noticed that on some of the square Anthias they have this red tip too. <I don't think your specimens are Pseudanthias pleurotaenia.> One last thing. If both my fish were males would one convert back to female or do they only change from female to male, <The latter, when the dominant male is gone, the strongest female changes.> they look more like males from the pics I've searched. <If that's the case, one will probably have to go. Males are usually more colourful, but maybe the colour is not done justice by the picture. Females can fight too, especially if no male is present, scientific terminus is: catfight.> many thanks again and sorry for bothering you. Simon. <No bother at all. Cheers, Marco.> PS: Another species with red tips is Pseudanthias hypselosoma - http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=8124 . I cannot see the dorsal fin of your specimens in detail (threadfins have very long frontal spines. Maybe you can see it with more detail. Cheers, Marco. Re: Anthias identification Hi again Marco, <Hello Simon.> included a closer pic of my fish if it helps, my fish haven't got the long dorsal spines you referred too. <Then they are no threadfins, despite their superficial similarity.> thanks again. <No problem. Marco.> Marco great find with the pics I'm sure this is the one. <Ah, finally.> Are these Pseudanthias hypselosoma a species of the Threadfin then? <No.> If not do you know the common name for theses fish. <Stocky Anthias is commonly used. See WWM.> Many thanks again and great work. Simon <I'm glad it was finally helpful. Marco.>
Anthias identification 7/25/08 Hi, <Hello there> I hope you can help me identify my new fish. I just purchased this Anthias yesterday.. It is really healthy, good looking, fat and the store had it for several months so I decided to get it. It was sold to me as a Squareback Anthias but the person who sold it to me wasn't really sure it was a Squareback Anthias because it doesn't have a square on it. There is still a little pink line on it that could be "square" but it really doesn't look like one. I don't know if it is a male or a female. <Mmm, looks to me body and marking wise to be a Pseudanthias hypselosoma rather than a pleurotaenia... male... See here: http://wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm and here: http://fishbase.org/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=8124 Pictures: http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/115gaquarium/?action=view&current=100_6038-1.jpg http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g163/115gaquarium/?action=view&current=100_6039.jpg Please could you identify this Anthias with the picture for me? And could you tell me by the way if it is aggressive, <Mmm, not too> if it gets big <About 4 inches in captivity> and if it is difficult to care for? <Easier than most Anthiines...> Will it thrive alone? <Mmm, no... is a social species> Is it a male or a female? <Male> Is this a good choice for my 110g reef tank? <Mmm... IMO, the species, yes> Thanks! Yours help is always appreciated! Francois- tienne
<Robare Fenner>

Fish identification -- 07/11/08 Can you please tell me what type of fish this is? Thanks for all you help. Sincerely, Patrick Brown <Mmm, yes... a species of Fancy Bass, subfamily Anthiinae, likely Odontanthias borbonius Bob Fenner>

Fancy Bass image on 7/11/2008 - 07/13/08 Hi Crew, I was reading through your daily FAQs and noticed that someone had sent you an image of a fish to identify (which you identified as a: "Fancy Bass, subfamily Anthiinae, likely Odontanthias borbonius"). I believe that image was scanned (and cropped/mirrored so the fish is facing left) from a recent Doctors Foster & Smith catalog (25 anniversary); I am certainly not an expert in copyright law and "fair use" so this may not be a big deal, but I just wanted to make you aware of the potential problem. Here's a link to a small image of the catalog: http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20080626191131/
www.drsfostersmith.com/images/catalog/g_pet_bigcover.jpg Jason <I do appreciate this input... Such "borrowings" are thievery. Will delete. Bob Fenner>

Re: Purple Chromis... now Anthiine ID 02/21/2008 Thanks, <<No problem>> but I got a new problem. I ordered one from my LFS and the supplier sent some species of Anthias (pink with some markings on the back). <<Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????....Hmm..A bit to general there in description. Please review here to identify the species of Anthias you have been sent>> So now I've got to identify these new fish. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brandon <<Thanks for the question. A Nixon>> >Mmm, think Andrew forgot the link: http://wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm and the linked files above. BobF<

Re: Anthiine ID... more 02/22/2008 Thanks, it looks a lot like Nemanthias carberryi. How hardy is it? I know that a lot of the Anthias in general are a little delicate, so is there anything special I should do? Is there anything special it should be fed? It is currently in QT and I can rarely see it. <<Hello there...Care for this fish is about the same as with other Anthias. Does better in a species tank within a group. grows to around 4 inches in length...Feed meaty chunkys, filamentous algae, zooplankton and frozen prepared foods. More infor can found here by reading the linked articles and FAQ's http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm ( Yes Bob, I remembered the link this time ;o) >> Thanks, Brandon <<Thanks for the questions and follow up. A Nixon>>

Odd colored Anthias 2/2/08 Hello Crew, <Ben> I was in my LFS today checking out the new stock, and I came across a batch of Lyretail Anthias. I am in the process of setting up a 36x30x26 cube (or close to cube) tank with a volume of around 115, with a sump/refugium. Anyways, I have been considering Anthias for this system. <Mmm, most species of Anthiines really need more swimming room...> There were a number of the regular orange-ish pink hued females, but mixed in were about four specimens that were very light in color... almost silver. When the light hit them at a certain angle they did seem to have a purple-ish hue to them. They had vibrant orange lines behind their eyes (instead of the purple-ish ones usually found on female lyretails) and yellow outlines on their tailfins. They were slightly bigger than some of the other lyretails, but resembled them in body shape and everything. At first I thought they were specimens that were doing very poorly and were showing extreme signs of stress, but they were swimming normally, alert, bright eyed, etc. When the tank was fed they seemed to eat a bit (the specimens just arrived yesterday so I wasn't expecting any of them to eat at all). I guess I'm just wondering if you think these are A) extremely stressed specimens B) simply an odd color morph of the lyretails C) not lyretails at all... <Most likely C> I wish I could have gotten a picture as I'm sure that would have helped tremendously... just wanted to get your thoughts and see if any of you in your vast experience had come across anything like this. Thanks, Ben <I do wish I could show you about one of the international trade shows (business) in our interest... There are invariably new species of fancy basses, some of the popular Labrid genera (esp. Cirrhilabrus) that I've never seen... that are GORGEOUS... and unidentified as yet. What a planet! Bob Fenner>

Ignitus Anthias pic 7/2/07 Hi, Just thought I would give you pic of some Ignitus Anthias I picked up recently. I know your Anthias page lacks a pic for this species. Feel free to use it, if you like. Kind regards, Peter Martis <Thanks much Peter. Will post with credit to you. Bob Fenner>

How do I tell P. bartlettorum from P. evansi 3/4/07 Hi Crew, <Jim> Just one quick question: is there a clear way to tell P. bartlettorum from P. evansi? <Mmm, yes... but they are close in appearance for sure> There are some beautiful purple Anthias with crescents of yellow along their backs at my LFS at a reasonable price, but after looking at all the pics on WWM and FishBase, I still can't see how to tell which they are. There is a huge variety in the appearance of the pics on FishBase. <Oh yes> They look a lot like the evansi pics on WWM, but then they also look a great deal like the top center pic of bartlettorum on FishBase. If they are bartlettorum, I would buy all three. If they are evansi, I would prefer to leave them for someone better able to care for them (hopefully). I have had 3 P. bicolor in my 150 LPS reef for about a year now, so I do have some experience with Anthias. <These are one of my faves...> The largest has just developed the elongated dorsal spines that tell me it is becoming a male. (Actually, as I look at the second row of pics for bartlettorum on FishBase, they look exactly like my bicolors! Yikes!) Any suggestions on a good way to ID them? And out of curiosity, do you think 3 P. bartlettorum could coexist peacefully with 3 P. bicolors, or shall I just plan to put them in my soft coral tank? Jim <I would keep these two Anthiines separated... Really not so much for compatibility reasons, as I think you'll enjoy both more if they're housed in two separate systems. I use the "more swooped" nose of Bartlett's and more extensive yellow toward the rear of the Evan's to distinguish these two... Much easier to tell when next to each other. Bob Fenner>

Anthias article pictures 10/2/06 Hello, <Hi Peter> I was just going over your article on Anthias. I think a couple of the pics are incorrectly labeled. <Possibly> The second picture of Pseudanthias bartlettorum doesn't look correct. Red dorsal fin, no purple at all, and the tail all look like something other than P. bartlettorum. Maybe a pale dispar? <<Mmm, nah... tis a female: http://fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=12719>> <Maybe...> The first picture under P. evansi I believe is a bartlettorum. <<Again... don't think so: http://fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=7799>> And the third pic under evansi looks to be either a juvenile P. tuka or P. pascalus. I just saw juvenile P. evansi at a LFS and the basically look like adults, except a solid line of demarcation between the purple and yellow, not the dots. <<... Is also correctly identified as labeled IME. RMF>> Hope this was helpful. Regards, Peter <Will take another look... though there is a huge variation in color/markings for many Anthiine species. See fishbase.org for some examples. Bob Fenner> Re: Anthias article pictures 10/3/06 Yes, very true...in fact I scoured fishbase.org while writing the original email to be sure :-) P- <I see... as did I... and took another look through Kuiter and Debelius... these IDs are correct as far as I can tell. Posted here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthifaq2.htm Thank you, BobF>

Poor English, Pseudanthias sexual ID - 03/12/2006 hello to the crew, hope you are well, could you tell me please if the female redbelted Anthias (Pseudanthias rubrizonatus) has a red belt like the male? thank you, Ben <... Mmm, does not: http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Photos/ThumbnailsSummary.php?ID=7321 Bob Fenner>

Purple Queen Anthias 1/14/06 Bob, <James> Don't mean to be a pain in the ass today but looking through my reference sites it seems that Pseudanthias pascalus and tuka are both one and the same. Any input or am I going nuts a little too soon. Just re a query I answered today. Regards, James <Mmm, the common name "Tuka" is applied to a few Anthiine species, including pascalus... BobF> Anthias identification Hello <Aloha> I was snorkeling at Aliomanu Bay on the NE side of Kauai the other day. I'm pretty good at id and saw what looked like an Anthias in shallow water --- rocky point on south edge of bay with strong current. The fish was about 50 to 60 mm and color pattern similar to bicolor Anthias with yellow dorsally and pink ventrally. But, it had a very electric blue (like blue on omilu) stripe from eye up to dorsal fin. <Okay> Any help on identification? Saw about five each of several days. with Manini juveniles and variety of sergeant juv.s. Thanks, Ron Hirschi <Is either Pseudanthias hawaiiensis or P. bicolor... though there are some other Anthiines in HI, they are much deeper water. Please see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm and fishbase.org, Google images... for species identification. Bob Fenner>

Re: Anthias identification Many thanks for your help. It looked most like a female P hawaiiensis....based on the photos you took. <A gorgeous species... and a good deal of fun to go visit, re-locate... usually under a ledge...> Next visit, I will try to get a photo since the blue stripe behind eye on the fish I saw was very pronounced -- and I don't see that stripe on any of the Anthiines I see in the photos. Thanks again! Ron <Mahalo my friend. Bob Fenner>

Evan's Anthias Hi Bob and crew, Pardon my frustrated e-mail but as you read on, I think you may understand. Two days ago, I bought an Evan's Anthias <A very difficult species> I believe, they look almost the same as Bartlett's so I get confused at times. <The Bartlett's would be a much better choice.> This is my second crack at an Anthias as my first Evan's perished suddenly after doing well for about a week or so. It began coming out less and eventually just sat at the bottom behind a rock and never fed and soon died afterwards. At that time, I blamed it upon my amateur status, my getting rid of a fairy wrasse which might have stressed the Anthias by either losing a dither fish or just re-arranging the aquarium to get the wrasse. However, that is a while ago. This time around, the reef has been established for quite some time now. <How long? Less than one year and it is not old enough.> 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, and little nitrate. I have a skimmer, ample filtration, and good water movement. I just can't understand it! This Anthias is exhibiting the same signs of the previous one. <Fairly typical for the species.> It came out for a little while yesterday to swim and ate some dried ocean plankton by Hikari and actually looked quite good aside from being a bit nervous which was expected. Today, it only came out in the morning and ate very little. Soon after that, it went back behind a rock peering out and breathing heavily. It continued to hide and breathe heavily the whole day and now deep into the night. Its only tankmates in this 50 gallon reef are two pink skunk clownfish. Please help me out guys.....is this the end for this Anthias as well? <Quite likely.> What am I doing wrong? <Likely a probable with room, available food, and appropriate species.> Would a different food help? <Yes, live food from a refugium is needed.> I was going to do a water change.....its been about 2 weeks but I wanted to wait till the Anthias got acclimated....should I do it now? <Will not really help or hurt, I suspect.> Does it need another one of its kind in there with it <No> as the fish store had three of them in the same smallish tank....much smaller then mine and it still lived and looked okay <Living for a little while in the pet store is very different from living long-term in your tank. It usually takes fish quite awhile to starve to death. Many make their way into hobbyists tanks before the perish.> Why would it not be as active and swim around in my tank which is much bigger with good water? <Running out of energy due to starvation.> Does it need a wrasse or a dither fish beside the clowns who are always out in the water albeit staying pretty much in the same place as clowns do. What is going on here guys? I just so confused and frustrated but look forward to hearing from you. <If you wish to make a sincere effort at Anthias, get yourself a copy of Scott Michael's work "Reef Fishes: Volume 1." He has a very nice, detailed section on selecting Anthias and their care.> Sincerely, Jimmy <Good luck to you and your fish. -Steven Pro>

Subj: Suh-weet Hi Guys, What a wonderful issue of FAMA...articles by both of you and Bob with one of my fave fish on the cover! How cool is that?! Congratulations, Barb-- <Thanks Barb... am still hopeful of having the all-WWM ish! Bob F> Re: Suh-weet! I don't know for sure Bob but I think your Anthias photo on the cover of FAMA might be my fish? Did the one you snapped respond to the words "Pretty Boy"?
;-)
<Possibly. A very nice Square Spot, Barb. Bob F>

Bicolor Anthias Bobster... I was looking over the posted FAQs and saw one that raised a question for me: Regarding dimorphism in bicolor Anthias... are the extended 2/3 dorsal rays of the male soft or hard? <The first dorsal is composed of hard/spines> Tipped with yellow conspicuously too? <Yes... quite bright in healthy, wild, or just caught individuals.> I have very little experience with this fish... brought in a few tens of them over them years as special orders for aquarists that thought they were a "hardier" species. <Mmm, a common misconception... actually a rather touchy species, quite shy and retiring... that needs lots of space... not a big shoaling species as many other Anthiines> I just never looked or noticed much difference and always wondered: now wondering if we were just getting a preponderance of females and unsexed by the time they ran the gauntlet to make it all the way over here to the East coast :) <Possibly... or immature males. Did you buy them out of Hawai'i? This is about the best location for this species> I didn't see pictures of both sexes BTW on FishBase.org... indeed an awesome resource, just lacking a photo here. <As I recall (having just glanced there yesterday) the pix by mainly Dr. Randall are of dead specimens...> Ciao, bub Antoine <Be seeing you, Bob F>

Re: bicolor Anthias DANKE > I have very > little experience with this fish... brought in a few tens of them over them years as special orders for aquarists that thought they were a "hardier" species. > <Mmm, a common misconception... actually a rather touchy species, quite shy and retiring... that needs lots of space... not a big shoaling species as many other Anthiines> Yowsa...two strikes, not looking for three <Steal home!> <...Did you buy them out of Hawai'i? This is > about the best location for this species> Yessuh...a collector named Colin Young on Oahu. He's the chap who's name I could not recollect in SD when we were talking about the dubious collection of indigenous Zoanthids. <Ah, yes> > <As I recall (having just glanced there yesterday) > the pix by mainly Dr. Randall are of dead specimens...> Yah... they had a positively pickled look about them. Thanks bub <Wish he had done his usual (he wrote the paper re) trick of pinning up/out the unpaired fins... Bob F>

Fish Identity (Fancy Bass) My LFS has a couple fish in that they have labeled "Pink Anthias". They don't really know what it is, and I cant find any pictures that resemble this fish. Could you help me identify it? <Sure: try fishbase.org for the family (Serranidae) and the genera of the subfamily Anthiinae, and these latter are posted with our coverage here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm and the references there.> Body shape similar to the purple queen Anthias. The back is a light pink, and it lightens up as it goes towards the belly where it is very light. The eyes are purple. The dorsal fin is purple, The pectoral fins are clear and very long. <Ahh, good clues> And at the very fringe of the tail, there is a reddish stripe going from top to bottom. The stripe is not clear, but the rest of the tail is very translucent. Any ideas? Thanks, Bob <Mmm I have a friend named Bob Smith... works with Leng Sy at Ecosystems... the Miracle Mud folks. Bob Fenner>

Re: Fish Identity (Anthiines) Well, I looked at all fish that were Anthias or Pseudanthias. I found a couple that could be it, but when I look at other images of the same name at the site, some look VERY different. <Yes... clicking on the main image (on fishbase.org) leads one to believe (at times) that "anything goes" in color, marking variations per species here> It looks something like: http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/PicturesSummaryV2.cfm?ID=8124&pic=Pshyp_u1.jpg http://www.fishbase.org/Photos/PicturesSummaryV2.cfm?ID=46437&pic=Pstow_u0.jpg I'm thinking that its a Pseudanthias hypselosoma. Could what they have be a color variant of this species? <Possibly... though I have never seen these with purple coloring in the wild. It may seem strange, but your "Pink Anthias" may be a species as yet undescribed, or so unknown, unpopular thus far as to be not pictured in reference works. Bob Fenner> Thanks for all the help, Bob Re: Fish Identity (Anthiines) I figured out what the fish is. :) Turns out, the females of the species do not look like the males. Its Pseudanthias hypselosoma. Stocky/Silverstreak Anthias. If you look at this pic: http://www.reefimages.com/cgi-reefimages/page.cgi?list=Anthias&filename=A2406.jpg The fish that is nose to nose with the male. Looks just like that. So FishBase was correct, but didn't list things by gender. <Ahh, thank you for this... saw a bunch of this species two weeks back in N. Sulawesi... a beauty. Do look at the "other" pix on FishBase (by clicking on the one identification image shown... and if the particulars are known (I'm one of those who rarely supply them... shame!), they will be given (like gender)... Bob Fenner> Thanks, Bob

Anthias engelhardi? >Hi Marina, >>Hi! Is this "ReefVan" of the DIY fame? Great to see you here. >Saw you were hosting on WWM so I figured I'd ask a you an identification question on some new Anthias that a reefer buddy of mine just bought. >Uh oh.. I haven't got an I.D. bible handy. >They were sold as Anthias engelhardi, yet trying to find a photo in reference books or on the 'net was very difficult. Now that I've seen some pics I have my doubts as to what these really are... See attached ... Van >>Boy, you weren't kidding when you said that it's difficult to I.D. online. My results doing several searches would indicate to me that there is no such described species as Anthias engelhardi at this point. I'm sorry I can't be of more help, but at this point I've exhausted every search engine I have. How about posting the pic on http://www.wetwebfotos.com/talk (you'll have to register, but it's fairly painless) or on RDO (reefs.org), maybe Mary or someone has run across this critter before. Marina

Re: Anthias engelhardi? >Yep, it's me! I noticed that in your reply you spelled Engelhardi incorrectly, was that the reason why you couldn't find it? >>OOPS! I'll give her another go, but I also did a general Anthias, Pseudanthias, and Serranocirrhitus search on the search engines mentioned, as well as searching Wet Web's photo gallery and database. I'm wondering if this could be a recently described fish, because it's coloration and markings are different from the other Anthiines I've found. I was hoping we'd net something on RDO, I'll be going to check after I'm finished here. Marina >quote: My results doing several searches would indicate to me that there is no such described species as Anthias "englehardi" ...at this point. Van

Fish ID - Pseudanthias lori "Tiger Queen Anthias" 10/8/03 [and a manipulated image] Hey there crew, would it be possible for someone there to help me ID these fish. <easy one mate, its the Tiger Queen Anthias... however the picture is doctored (Photoshop). Do be sure to smack the source for me if you find them. This visage of this fish is naturally beautiful and needs no tweaking ;) > I've been looking on Fishbase for about two hours now. I was thinking it was some sort of Anthias, like a Lori's Anthias, but these fish have some differences. <my friend... you are exactly correct. The diff is that the pics on FishBase are of real fish <G>> I've also looked through about a million different Chromis'. The question arose from a thread on Reef Central, but no one has responded to the original post. They look pretty cool and I would possibly like to buy some, but would like to know what they are first (obviously). Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks <they are not especially hardy for aquaria although not too bad either. If you will keep them, you simply must commit to a spacious aquarium (100 gall +) and resist the common bullies as tankmates (Tangs, Wrasses, Clowns, most damsels, etc). Continue your search here on WWM and abroad with the correct ID. Best, Anthony>

Pairing up Highfin cardinals Hello, <HI> yes I would like to have a mated pair. How do you tell them apart or do they change sexes like clownfish do? <You can't tell them apart and no they do not.> <<Actually... can be sexed at size. RMF>> Anthias as well? <really depends on what kind of Anthias (most of the time the males are different from females> Should I add 3 to my tank and see what happens? Thanks for any help, Jeff <the best way I have found is to take 5, (better odds of getting males and females) put them in a tank together and you will start to notice over time, that 2 will start to hang out together all the time. you will also notice them chasing the other ones all the time. remove the ones they are chasing and you have you self a pair. Good luck MikeH>

Sexing Bartlett's Anthias? Hi--one of the species that I'm interested in for my reef tank is the Bartlett's Anthias. <A beautiful fish!> I understand for Anthias it's important to have only one male, with multiple females. My question is, how do you sex these fish? Thanks, Beth <Well, Beth, one of the more reliable sex indicators that I am aware of seems to be an elongated, clear first or second ray of the dorsal spine in mature males. Color is also a possible indicator. Typically, you can buy a group of immature specimens and one will generally become a male. That would be my approach to getting a group together. Good luck! Regards, Scott F>

Fish ID? Do check fishbase.org 11/8/04 G'Day Crew. I hope you're all doing well. <cheers, Dave> Just a quick question. Can you please identify these Anthias in the pic I have sent you? At first I thought they were Pseudanthias dispar, but after a bit more reading on your site I came across a picture of Pseudanthias Ignitus which also looked like the Anthias I have. They have been in quarantine for 3 1/2 weeks now and eating everything I give them (Mysis, flake, angelfish food, chopped shrimp & scallops) and would really like to know exactly what kind of Anthias they are before I let them in to my 90 gallon display in a couple of days. I just hope the pic is good enough for you to get a good id on them. Thank you so much for all the work you guys do helping everyone, like me, to enjoy such an awesome hobby. Cheers, Dave. <when in doubt, rely on fishbase.org for definitive and current info on fish species. Please take the time to browse their archives and compare your fish with their image work and descriptions. Kindly, Anthony>

Re: Some questions about reefs >Hi Bob, Thanks for the reply :) It's really good to have some to talk to that knows what they are talking about. <Yes, or at least "has reasons that they can/will state" for their apparent opinions> >I was wondering if you could help me and answer some questions. Please note that I am a beginner when it comes to reef tanks. I brought a pair of orange Anthias about 2 weeks ago and to this day I have not been able to get them to eat anything. The tank is a couple of months old. I have tried marine flakes, brine shrimp and those algae flakes, but no luck. I asked the LFS and they told me they will eat the flakes. I have observed them eating algae growing in the tank (the green kind). ><Hmm, welcome to our hobby, and rest assured, I will try to help you... >Please take a look on our website: www.WetWebMedia.com under the Marine part, Livestock, the Basses, subfamily Anthiinae (the Fancy Basses)... are these fish Pseudanthias squamipinnis pictured there? (the females are all orangish...) As you will know they are zooplanktivores in the wild, eating small crustaceans, worms, other invertebrates and small fish larvae in the water column... you should try offering foods like these, frequently (a few times a day) in vigorous water movement... Also, notice, that like most of the subfamily, these fish live in large aggregations (with one male >typically)...> It looks like the Genus Nemanthias; Threadfin Anthias, the picture of the orange one in middle. <Okay> Bad news, today I looked at the tank and one of the Anthias is gone and one is looking quite sad. I suspect he will be gone in a day or less. I knew something bad was about to happen! The cleaner shrimp is hanging around the Anthias now like it knows something is going to happen to it! <Yes, I suspect you are correct> Humm, this was not supposed to happen. I did a lot of research to make sure I would not have these problems. I even told the LFS I was a beginner. When a brought the corals, I picked ones that I knew were hardy and for beginners. They are doing fine in the tank but the LFS gave me some for free (because I spent a lot of cash that day). The ones he gave me (SPS) are looking sad now. Should I take them out of the tank and can they do any damage? He gave me some mushrooms also, they look like they are doing fine so far. <I would leave the small polyp stony corals in place... they have relatively little living tissue and their passing will do no real harm... if they perish. You know many of this artificial designation are not easily kept...> I will invest in a good hang on the side protein skimmer today and see what happens and let you know. Should I keep my Eheim filter running with the skimmer or should I replace it with the skimmer? <Do get, use the skimmer IN ADDITION to the Eheim... they are complimentary> At this point I wish I had the tank modified and a sump installed, things would have been a lot easier if I had done this. <Yes, woulda, coulda, shoulda... an aspect of our human experience> Again, many thanks for your help, I really appreciate it! <A pleasure my friend. Bob Fenner> Warmest regards, Lucien Cinc

Re: Dispar Anthias? Bob, Thanks for the info. What size do the ventralis get to be? The web site doesn't say. <Please see fishbase.org> Easy to keep as the Dispar? Better looking?-always hard to tell in a pic. Difficult to find? <Easier, prettier, expensive to find> Have a great 2002! <Thanks. You as well. Bob Fenner>
Steve

Fish identification, information Dear Bob, Being a marine fish hobbyist for twenty years, I found your web site to be very educable and interesting. Recently just seen a fish picture from a Japan web site (picture enclosed). Do you know the scientific name of common name for this fish? Is it reef-safe? <This is a deepwater Anthiine (Fancy Bass), by some sources, Holanthias, but Fish base (.org), Odontanthias fuscipinnis (Jenkins 1901), called the Yellow Anthias by Dr. Randall... a Hawaiian endemic... to 9.5 inches total length. Reportedly does well in captivity, though almost always found below 180 feet in depth. A rare beauty. Have seen the species on display (the Waikiki Aquarium) in a local biotopic reef setting. Bob Fenner>

Fish Identity Hello, Love the site. I was looking through the pics on WWF and found this fish. I was wondering if you could identify it for me. I think it would look great in my 75g reef tank. <Mmm, looks like a Pseudanthias dispar, or perhaps a P. bartlettorum from here. Please see: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anthiina.htm> thanks in advance.
Steve
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