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THREE SPOT GOURAMI... red fins      4/29/17
Hi I need help with my three spot Gourami , recently I treat her with Seachem Paraguarí and she get more sick after the treatment. She had little ragged fins and sometimes flash against the decoration so I thought she has
some kind of parasite, so I treat her with SeaChem Paraguarí.
<Not a bad choice at all if you're dealing with White spot or Velvet (the usual reasons for 'flashing') and Finrot (the usual reason for raggedy fins). So if used as directed, you should get good results.>
After the treatment its over she still seats in bottom of aquarium facing the back of the aquarium. Only comes out when was feeding time. She develop red fins and tail, but to extreme redness .
<This sounds very like Finrot. Let's recap: Finrot is something that happens after something else has damaged the fish (often fighting or fin-nipping, but can also be environmental, for example exposure to water that is too cold for the species being kept, or non-zero ammonia and nitrite levels, which can bring on Finrot very quickly). Finrot is basically just bacterial that otherwise consume decaying organic matter infecting areas with dead/dying cells, such as wounds. These wounds become congested with blood because of all the bacteria, and what you see is red patches alongside white patches (dead tissue) and decay (raggedy fins).>
She stop eating , I don't know what to do., I change the water very often now so she gets little better but the red fins stays.
<Something is causing this. While Paraguard and other anti-Finrot products usually work very well, they can't stop the problem re-occurring if the conditions aren't right. Review, urgently. Water quality problems are
probably the number-one reason for Finrot; any ammonia or nitrite level that isn't zero is bad, and even "low" levels can cause Finrot if the fish is exposed to them for extended periods (i.e., days or more). The second
most common reason for Finrot is fighting and/or fin-nipping. Three-Spot Gouramis are mildly aggressive, so if you have two or more males, they will sometimes chase one another if they feel cooped up. Other gouramis and even cichlids like Angels will sometimes interact this way too, so review your stock list and look for possible problems there. Next up, fin-nippers.
Serpae Tetras, Tiger Barbs, and Black Widow/Petticoat Tetras are probably the "top three" fin-nippers aquarists buy without understanding this, though a few other tetras and barbs will sometimes be nippy if they're bored or not kept in sufficient numbers.>
Her front fins was flicking fast sometimes and she still flashing against the decorations. she's in separate tank right now I'm doing partial water changes everyday . Please help me, I really don't know what is wrong with
her. you think maybe she was poisoned by the SeaChem Paraguarí, or maybe she's sensitive to this medication?
<Do see above.>
I will really appreciated if somebody contact me its really URGENT
<Hope this helps. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: THREE SPOT GOURAMI      4/30/17

Thank you for contacting me. I have only one Gourami and three 1 inch very young albino Corydoras, there is no other fish in the tank. I have clear for life 20 gallon tank. Recently I put gravel in the tank, before that I have bare bottom tank. Maybe the gravel is the problem, my ammonia is 0 and nitrate Is 0. Nitrate barely 10.
<Which all sounds fine, and I can't think why gravel should be a problem.
It can be for burrowing fish like Spiny Eels, but not midwater things like Gouramis.>
I maintain this tank very well I try to do everything right. The pH is 7.2
maybe I am doing something wrong I don't know that's why I contact you guys.
<I'm drawing a blank here!>
I have this Gourami for 5 years she never was sick in till now.
<So not too old.>
She was living along in 20 gallon, I thought she was lonely so I buy 3 albino Corydoras,
<It's possible they brought in a disease with them, such as Whitespot or Velvet. This, in turn, can lead to Finrot if not treated. I would medicate for both, and hope for the best. Will make the important reminder to REMOVE CARBON from the filter; oftentimes, when people medicate and their fish fail to improve, it's because they left carbon in the filter! Carbon
removes medication, preventing it from having the desired effect.>
The temperature fluctuating, at night when was cold drop even 5 or more degrees and I have good heater so I don't understand.
<Indeed. How big is the heater? While a 50W heater is fine in a warm room, if the room gets cold at night, the "next size up" would be better, so 75W.
For one thing, a heater that has to work very hard (stays on for longer) is a heater that'll break down more quickly.>
She's progressing a lot her front fins it's almost clear, but tail stays little bloody. Is longer I am on the Gourami subject What can I use with gouramis and Corys, I really don't know what medication could be use with them since they are labyrinth fish.
<Both Corydoras and Gouramis will be fine with all the usual medications. I would tend to avoid copper and formalin with more delicate species, such as loaches, but the aquarium companies will have tested their products against the commoner fish like yours.>
I was searching all over the internet can't find anything. I would Like to treat them with more natural approach. I have Ich attack which is 100 % herbal.
<Unfortunately, these "natural" products don't work reliably. Melafix for example probably does more harm than good because by the time people write to us, their fish have gotten no better, even worse, after a week or two of treatment using Melafix instead of an antibiotic.
So, break out the good stuff! In the US, the old Maracyn 1 and Maracyn 2 combo works well against a range of bacterial infections, while Whitespot and Velvet medications of
all sorts are in the shops. Here in the UK, I use two European products, eSHa 2000 for Finrot and eSHa EXIT for Whitespot and Velvet.>
Can I use that with for Corys and gouramis? And can I use salt with them.
<Yes; the old salt/heat method will work well against Whitespot and to some degree Velvet; do read:
Do understand salt will help against Whitespot and Velvet, but has little/no impact on bacterial Finrot.>
Thank you so much, Sincerely Angelica
<Welcome. Neale.>

Reddish tint on gourami fins = ammonia issue?      2/1/16
Hi team, hope you had a great weekend. I added a nice set of 5 feisty cherry barbs to my year-old aquarium last week--love them so far--and they acclimated themselves very quickly.
<Would plan to get a few more unless the tank is tiny... Cherry Barbs look best in largish groups, 8 or more, ideally half that group being females.
But yes, a great species.>
However, today I noticed my two gourami (one gold and one Opaline) are starting to redden on their caudal fins, radiating from the body. I also noticed the spots where their pectoral fins meet their bodies becoming red.
They are eating well but their fins are folding more than normal, and they are a bit more lethargic than normal, although not laying on the bottom. Also, the gold gourami's colors aren't as bold. No open stores tonight for a testing kit but I read that this could be potential ammonia poisoning, possibly due to a spike from adding so many fish at once and/or overfeeding?
<Could easily be, or fin-nipping, or fighting. So you need to review. Take an ammonia test, though honestly, I prefer to use nitrite test kits because they both reveal filter problems but nitrite is less likely to report a false positive (neutralised chloramine for example can register as ammonia, so check some tap water with water conditioner added, and compare to your aquarium water ammonia test results).>
The gourami are occasionally gasping for air (more than just a typical anabantid gulp) which furthers my thought that it's ammonia.
<Might be, but they do of course breathe air, as you state, and do so more often the warmer the water.>
I skipped their meal tonight, did a 30% water change, and will get a testing kit tomorrow. Is there anything else I can/should do? Is there any hope for my fish? Also, if I should keep doing changes now, where can/should I get healthy water in a pinch? The packaged "aquarium water" from the local big box?
Thanks in advance!
<For now, stick with daily water changes around 25% or so, until such time the fish behave more normally. Medicating as per Finrot isn't a bad idea, but you might find the fish heal under their own steam if conditions improve. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Reddish tint on gourami fins = ammonia issue?        2/3/16

Following up! Both conditioned water (used Prime) and tank water tested 0 for all ammonia--no nitrite kits at LFS--so I guess that's not the problem?
<Looks like that's true, yes.>
Could last night's 25% have changed everything? 1 gourami looks a little better but the other seems worse, jumpy and a bit of shimmy, if those terms are correct.
<Water changes *do* indeed fix a lot of problems. A good rule of thumb is to see what happens if you do a big water change, 25-50%, keeping temperature and water chemistry the same. If the fish perk up, the problem is probably environmental, and medicine might not be needed if you can fix things quickly enough. Perhaps do a series of water changes, once every day or two, for a week, ten days. After that, good chance everything will be fine.>
Cherries and Corys seem fine. Haven't fed in a day and doing another 25% as I write, as you suggested.
<Cool; good luck! Neale.>
Re: Reddish tint on gourami fins = ammonia issue?        2/3/16

Thanks Neale! I'll report back in a week. You're awesome.
<Not sure the Mrs. agrees, but I try! Cheers, Neale.>

Trichogaster repro.? Constipation? What?      7/28/15
asking a question about my gold Gourami my female Gourami is pregnant and there is no male Gourami to build a bubble nest what to do .
asking a question about my gold Gourami my female Gourami is pregnant and there is no male Gourami to build a bubble nest what to do
<Female Gouramis don't get pregnant. Your Gourami is either constipated or has Dropsy. The former is caused by poor diet, typically too much flake and not enough fibre (fresh greens, frozen brine shrimp, that sort of thing).
Dropsy is a bacterial infection caused by a poor environment. Do read:
Cheers, Neale.>
I checked and she has eggs     7/28/15

<How? How can you tell if a female Gourami has eggs inside her? True, females will appear a little more convex around the abdomen when 'ripe' and ready to spawn, but this isn't particularly noticeable. If she looks swollen, like she's swallowed a ball, then she has some other problem.
Constipation or else Dropsy, this latter characterised by the scales rising up from the body, very noticeable when viewed from above ('pine cone appearance'). 99 times out of 100, when casual fishkeepers say their egg-laying fish is pregnant, it's wishful thinking. Cheers, Neale.> do I use it properly? Pictures included below. Thank you.
<Bob may have some ideas. Cheers, Neale.>
<<Epsom salt. B>><<No pix anywhere>>

Blue Gourami       3/14/15
My blue gouramis body has just began to turn orange but his head remains his original color (silver/blue), and he never leaves his little home except on the few occasions when he eats. Would you guy's be able to tell me what is wrong? It would be much appreciated, thank you.
<Without a photo can't say anything sensible. Sometimes Gouramis do change colour, whether naturally or because of nerve damage, stress, or some other factor. Blue Gouramis are semi-aggressive, particularly the males, so if you have two or more, and just the one is hiding away a lot, chances are good he's being bullied by another male. Review, and act accordingly.
Cheers, Neale.>
re: Blue Gourami      3/15/15

I do have two but one does not bully the other they are actually really good friends and if it changing colors like blue to black and black to orange is normal thanks for the information
<How do you know they're friends? Interactions between Gouramis are easy to misread. Hmm... good example... "kissing" of Kissing Gourami fame is often fighting. If they're happy Gouramis, they'll largely ignore each other.
Spending much time with each other might be short-term pairing (if male and female, though males chase away females after spawning) or fighting... Keep an open mind. In any case, without meaningful data (photo; description of aquarium in terms of size, water chemistry, water quality) it's hard to say anything more detailed. Cheers, Neale.>
re: Blue Gourami      3/15/15

Well they do ignore each other about 96 percent of the time
<Hmm... still not convinced they're getting along.>
and the tank size is about one foot long and about one foot tall
<Too small. Let's say your tank is a 12 inch cube. That works out at about 7 US gallons. A single Blue Gourami needs at least 20 US gallons just to be healthy. I would have you read here:
On top of that, two males WILL NOT tolerate each other even in tanks that small. As the Americans would say, it's a "rookie mistake" to keep more than one male Blue Gourami in an aquarium. In fact it was one of the first fishkeeping mistakes I ever made, some 35 years ago! While very hardy, Blue Gourami males are very territorial and can be extremely aggressive.>
and I have no idea what the water quality
<Easily fixed. Either buy a water testing kit or take some water to your local tropical fish shop and have them test it. At minimum, you want a nitrite (not nitrate) test and a pH test. These are the most informative tests. My hypothesis here is that poor water quality has made injuries on your weaker Blue Gourami become infected.>
is and I didn't put a picture because I don't no how to put a picture<Take photo, resize it so it isn't too big (less than 1 MB, please), the attach to your email. Really is helpful. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Blue Gourami       3/16/15

So since it needs 40 US gallons just for two blue gourami it's a bad thing I have a sucker fish and another gourami (platinum, gold, or orange I don't know which) and today I saw the one that's turning orange has a black head now
<Blue and Gold Gouramis are the same species (kind of like how people come in different colours) and alongside Lavender Gourami, Opaline Gourami and Cosby Gourami are all just Trichogaster trichopterus (apparently nowadays
properly called Trichopodus trichopterus). Any and all of these Gouramis will view each other as the same thing, and males will be territorial towards one another and pushy towards females, sometimes violently so. You can keep a singleton in 15-20 gallons, and a male and female in 20 gallons with a bit of floating foliage for shade and shelter. But two males will squabble in small tanks, and I wouldn't risk two males in less than 25, 30 gallons, and the bigger the tank, the better. Oddly enough, overcrowding can help, which is what you see in the tropical fish tank, where a dozen males and females live cheek by jowl without much aggression. But just two or three males together with squabble, as I say, and is best avoided.
Really, I do need a photo to say what's going on to the "black-headed" Gourami, but at the same time, if he's hiding a lot, chances are he's being picked on. Males have longer dorsal fins than females, so sexing Trichopodus trichopterus is quite easy. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Blue Gourami      3/17/15

I will try to get a photo later on in the day
<Great... that'll help a lot. Cheers, Neale.>

Re: Blue Gourami      3/21/15
Here it is, you can see the black stripes
<Not sure that I can, to be honest; the gourami is at the back, out of focus, and the photo is rather faint. But in any event, review our recent correspondence and act accordingly. Read, perhaps starting here:
Cheers, Neale.>

cropped, enhanced/RMF.

Re: Blue Gourami      3/22/15
Your not sure you can what?
<See the black stripes on the fish. Neale.>

Female gouramis     2/10/13
I have a 2yo 29 gallon, very heavily planted, lots of drift wood, and gravel, 3 female blue gourami's and 1 male, a high fin plecostomus,
<Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps; needs a tank three times bigger than 29 gallons
. Surely it's pretty big by now… 20 cm/8 inches or more… should be if more than a year old, and adults get to some 50 cm/20 inches.>
an albino bristle nose plecostomus,
<Ancistrus sp.; a much better alternative.>
2 peppered Cory's and 2 albino Cory's, and 8 hatchet fish my tank has a 40gl submersible filter and is kept at 80 degrees,
<Slightly too warm for the Corydoras.>
I have not checked my ph in a VERY long time as everyone has seemed extremely healthy
<So what is the pH now…? Changes in pH can occur in tanks between water changes, and these can stress your fish.>
and lively and I do %20 water changes every other week with purified water. First let me say, I do not want fry!! I asked for 4 females at the pet store and at the purchase time they did in fact all look like females but were a lot smaller/younger, anyway to the point  my 3 females have looked FULL of eggs for about 2 months now and I had been hoping they would just eventually come out...obviously that's not the case, what do I do? Can this be dangerous? I have rationed food thinking they were just fat, and there was no change and wouldn't the male be fat also if that were the case? How do I help my females to get rid of their eggs without fertilizing them with the male? Should I get rid of my male would this stop this from happening again in the future? Would getting rid of my male immediately make the females drop their eggs? I don't want to loose all my gouramis!
<Gouramis don't get pregnant, they lay eggs, but is natural for females to seem slightly fuller than normal when they're holding the eggs anything up to a few days prior to spawning. If you have one or more females that appear dramatically swollen though, like they've swallowed a little ball, then they're either madly overfed or have Dropsy. If they've been overfed, then the male could be fat-looking too, as would other, random fish in the tank. If it is ONLY one or two fish that are swollen and the others are all naturally lean, then Dropsy is more likely. Other symptoms of Dropsy include a pinecone-like appearance when viewed from above, lethargy, a disinterest in food. Given your tank is likely overstocked, possibly severely, environmental stress would be the most likely reasons for Dropsy. Do read:
Treatment is possible; combine Epsom salt therapy with suitable antibacterial medication (like eSHa 2000) or antibiotic (Maracyn 2 seems as good as any). Do note regular salt won't help, and neither will doing nothing -- left alone, Dropsy is invariably fatal. It's a sign of organ failure, which clearly isn't welcome! Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Female gouramis

First, I'm not completely ignorant (in fact i believe i never once in my first email sad "pregnant" i said eggs, many times)
<Ah, meant only in the general sense that female Gouramis may swell up with eggs for a few days prior to spawning but not for weeks, months at a time… so they shouldn't look "pregnant" for long, if at all.>
and have done a lot of research on the breeding habits and egg laying process of gourami fish (before getting them and decided i did not want to do it hence the asking for 4 females) I have not found anything on what to do if you don't want fry and the females became full of eggs!
<There's zero chance of Gourami fry surviving if you don't make an effort to rear them. They are tiny, need infusoria to feed upon.>
(you assumed my fish are sick and did NOT answer ANY of my questions)
<Oh, did try to. If three fish are all swollen up, and have been so for more than a couple days, and you're sure overfeeding and/or constipation aren't factors, then do assume Dropsy or something similar.>
The 3 females are the only "fat" fish in my tank,
<Worrying indeed.>
I have decreased feeding when I first noticed it and nothing changed in there appearance, they are still VERY active and interested in food as is the rest of my tank
<This is promising, and means treatment should work.>
and they do not look like pine cones,
<Which doesn't rule out Dropsy. In any case, something *is* amiss, and you should proceed from that. Egg-binding is possible, I suppose, but it's (extremely) rare in fish. Epsom salt can help here. But I'd be more toward something else being wrong. Are these Dwarf Gouramis? These are particularly prone to bacterial and viral infections.>
if I treated and nothing changed in their appearance would you then believe me that my fish are NOT sick?
<You don't need to convince me of anything. It's about working through the probabilities, from most to least likely explanations, and where you can't pin down exactly what's wrong, you can at least treat for things so you can "tick them off" the list.>
wouldn't the salt effect my Cory's?
<Do note I said Epsom Salt, not aquarium salt, and no, doesn't harm Corydoras.>
My pH looks to be just above 7, using a testing strip from a local pet store, which if I remember right and through all my reading, is good for every fish species In my tank.
<Ah now, don't fixate on pH. It actually doesn't matter much; Corydoras are fine between pH 6 and 8. What matters is hardness, that's the bit fish "feel". All that matters for the fish is that the pH is stable.>
On another note The plecostomus is not as old as the tank, I didn't buy the plecostomas's until recently, after there was plenty of Algae in the tank for them to eat
<Do need more to eat than algae. Hikari Algae Wafers are a good balanced diet, rich in both algae and shrimp meal.>
(I plan to upgrade as the tank grows, in about 6mo and both Plecos are currently about 3in)
<Cool. But do bear in mind how large Pterygoplichthys gibbiceps will get, and plan accordingly. Anything smaller than 75 US gallons would be pointless (and dirty and smelly). Gorgeous fish though; kept two in a 200-gallon aquarium at university. So if you have the space and prodigious filtration (they defecate like its an Olympic sport) they're excellent companions for large community fish.>
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Female gouramis

I have a 55 with a NASTY eel
<What kind of eel? Spiny Eels won't be mean enough to damage a Plec too large to swallow whole.>
in it and a feather fin catfish? the high fin plecostomus will eventually end up there when it's big enough that I don't feel my eel will harm it and it will only house those 3 fish and those alone…
<I agree, but 55 gallons is a push for this many large fish.>
When I move into a larger space (hopefully with the next year) they will be upgraded to a 240 Plexi glass i have in storage
<Ah, now you're cooking!>
and from there i will try to figure out what fish can be housed with the eel (that KILLS everything)
<Not an adult Pterygoplichthys…>
and the gourami tank will be transferred from the 30 to the 55...so in short I do have a plan for how large the Pleco will get.
My fish get (what i think) is a very good diet I actually pride myself on how colorful and healthy my fish are and i get many compliments on my gouramis! My tanks get Mysis shrimp, brine shrimp, omega one shrimp pellets, Tubifex worms, omega one veggie rounds, cucumber, peas, lettuce, blood worms, earth worms (cut up) live Molly babies I breed myself, of course not all at once every feeding. But they never get the same thing two days in a row. With the exception of the omega one veggie rounds (all the fish LOVE these and fight over them)
<Your fish eat better than mine. Better than me, even.>
Now regarding the Three spot gouramis
<A tough variety, rarely problematic.>
I've decided to try to breed them as I feel the females are in fact full of eggs, and I have had "egg binding" happen before with Bettas, (this is why I'm concerned it has happened to my gouramis being that there was no "safe place" for the male to make a bubble nest and for the females to expel her eggs) I've made a "dead spot" in my tank using plants where the current is almost nothing at the surface (my male is already showing interest within the 30min of me doing this) my plan (if they breed) is to collect the eggs and use them to feed my eel. Hopefully this works... I'd really like to not lose my gouramis...
<Epsom salt can really help with egg binding. It's a muscle relaxant among other things, around 1-3 teaspoons per 5 gallons/20 litres should do the trick.>
With the tank and gouramis being 2yo with no previous problems... Why would a problem arise from seemingly nowhere?
<Egg binding is difficult to predict. It's very rare in fish. So it's hard to predict what would cause it. Genetics may be a factor, or age, or diet, or some combination of factors. That all three females are exhibiting egg binding at the same time is VERY odd and to be honest I'm not convinced. Some slight fattening up as per sexual maturity and prior to spawning seems more likely… do need to see a photo of these fish if possible. Would settle my mind whether this is really a problem or not.>
Water changes have never bothered them or the water much, they get a good diet and I keep the filter clean (in fact just got the new 40gl submersible a few weeks ago) and they are kept at a consistent temp, the only thing that has changed recently is the brand new filter...
<Cheers, Neale.>
Female gourami

They look full of eggs to me...these were just taken and he looks healthy (not fat) to me. I would imagine If it were over feeding he would look as plump as the females
<These fish do not look unusually fat or otherwise. I would do nothing more than increase fibre content of diet (brine shrimps are good) while using Epsom salt as described before. This won't harm any other fish, may do some good as a laxative. But provided fish remain active and interested in food,
I would consider these fish healthy. Cheers, Neale.>

Re: Female gourami, no reading, using WWM      2/10/13
How much Epsom salt would you suggest for a 30gl tank
<1-3 teaspoons per 5 gallons/20 litres. It's as well to assume your tank doesn't contain 30 gallons; knock 10-15% off for rocks and gravel, i.e., your tank likely holds 25.5-27 gallons. So calculate on the basis of these, more conservative figures.>
and how do I "administer" it (i.e.: just pour it in)
<Dissolve calculated quantity in a small jug of warm water. Pour into aquarium in stages, perhaps 5-6 portions across an hour.>
<Cheers, Neale.>

Lumps on 3 spotted gourami     7/19/12
<We ask that folks limit their graphics file sizes to hundreds of Kbytes... yours are seven megs...>
My female 3 spotted Gourami has developed some lumps in the last month or so. The one side is much bigger than the other, please see attached photos.
I have a male too, but he seems fine. They share the tank with Sword Tails, Clown Loaches, Kuhli Loaches, Cherry Barbs and Pleco's. All the other fish seems fine. She hasn't stopped eating and still swims around, though not as much as before.
Please help me to identify what is wrong with her and tell me how to fix it? Please let me know if you need any more information.
<Have seen these anomalous bumps several times; only read that they're attributed to "Sporozoan" infestations... and never seen successfully treated. You might try Metronidazole/Flagyl lacing foods; but I'm not hopeful. I don't consider that they're "catching" and don't seem to disimprove the overall health of their host fishes...>
Kind regards
Liezle van der Westhuizen
Hawkes Bay
New Zealand
<Welcome. Bob Fenner, San Diego, CA, US>

Re: Lumps on 3 spotted gourami    7/20/12
Thank you for the quick response and sorry about the size of the pics!
I'll try your suggestions and let you know if the outcome is positive.
<I thank you. BobF>

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