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FAQs on Scats, Family Scatophagidae, Identification
Related Articles: Scats, Scats
and monos;
Old favourites and new species for the
brackish water aquarium by
Neale Monks,
Related FAQs: Scats 1,
Scats 2,Scat Behavior,
Scat Compatibility, Scat
Selection, Scat Systems,
Scat Feeding, Scat Disease,
Scat Reproduction,
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Scatophagus species
Hi,
I caught a school of scats in a mouth of a freshwater stream in Bintan
Island, Indonesia. They have an orange base and broad black stripes. They
change colour constantly, so that they sometimes become totally black
except for the orange at the top.
What specie of scat do you figure this to be.
/JJ
<I'll be... have never seen the species but it does sound like Scatophagus
tetracanthus. Please see the description here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/Scatart.htm
or plug the name into your search engines or fishbase.org.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Scatophagus species
Dear Bob,
Thanks. I found a picture of the tetracanthus at
http://www.ohiexchange.com/armke/images/scatophagus_tetracanthus.jpg
<Ah yes>
I think I may have juveniles (1 inch) of this specie. There is a hint of
the orange at the dorsal edge of the scats in the picture. Perhaps
the
orange disappears as the scat mature.
<Yes, unfortunately>
Indeed when I made a closer
examination of what I have, I notice that interspersing the vertical band
is not quite orange but yellow-tint silver. Maybe I'll send a picture when
I can borrow
w a digital camera.
/JJ
<Very good. Will post. Bob Fenner>
Re: Scatophagus species
Dear Bob,
As promise I am attaching a photo...
<Very nice>
This is not a very good photo as the camera ran out of battery
before we could get a good shot. Nevertheless you can get an idea
from it.
I had wanted to get a picture of the scats when they turn completely black
except for the orange on the dorsal edge, but that will have to wait.
<Have seen this... esp. on S. argus (here), when "bummed"...
due to water quality, nutrition, social issues>
Also, now that the scats have grown a little larger, I am also beginning
to
doubt of they are tetracanthus! The stripes are not as broad, and in fact
the older
ones are beginning to have spots appearing (though I know they are not
argus
because I caught juvenile arguses before).
<This is assuredly argus>
Would be glad for identification.
/JJ
<Bob Fenner, just back from Hawai'i> |
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Re: Scatophagus species
Hmm... I found a photo in LiveAquaria.com which has Ruby Scats as
Scatophagus Argus,
the picture of the scat does resemble what I have.
But I once caught green spotted scats which I assumed to be the Argus. Do
Argus juveniles
have different appearances? I'm a little confused.
<Mmm, please see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/Scatart.htm
These are the same species. Bob Fenner>
/JJ |
Help with
Identification – 10/09/07
Hello Crew,
First I would like to thank you guys for providing us novices with a
great deal of help and advice. I'm learning all the time.
<Hello, and thanks for the nice words.>
I recently moved into a house in Thailand and inherited a reef tank
which was left by the previous occupant (who left in a rush to Germany
apparently). The landlord informed me that the tank had been left
untouched for a couple of weeks and has given it to me.
When I turned the power on I was shocked to see that all of the
occupants were still alive (skinny but alive) including a few nice
corals (red leather finger, daisy polyps and star polyps). After
spending most of the past couple weeks on your site and goggle images I
have managed to identify most of the live critters I have to 3" tang,
royal Gramma, 2 2" false percula clown fish, 4" lawnmower blenny, 2"
yellow watchman goby, 1 coral brand shrimp, 1 skunk shrimp, 6 blue leg
hermit and 3 turbo snails. I would be very great full if you could help
identify the attached fish. I have two in the tank, I have searched but
have been unable to find anything close.
They're small, copper with black spots and very very quick swimmers.
<Picture too small, but they look like Scatophagus species of some sort.
The body shape and the distribution of the fins looks about right.
Scatophagus are euryhaline marine fish that swim in and out of
freshwater rivers throughout their life. They are extremely hardy.
Basically omnivorous. Not sure they're typically classed as "reef safe"
fishes, since they'll eat anything they can cram into their mouths, but
they won't harm sessile invertebrates or armoured things like snails and
shrimps.>
Since I made a water change, something as appeared on the glass in 2
places. It looks like they could be eggs of some kind?? (see attached
photo) There are small rows of white dots, similar in shape to a finger
print. Could you possibly identify these?? good or bad??
<Too small for me to identify. Need a bigger picture. Aim for a photo
around 600 pixels across.>
The tank is 75 gallons, wet/dry filter, 4 pumps, protein skimmer
(unknown, no brand or labels), lots of live rock, 1.5" crushed coral
substrate, Salinity is 1.05, ph is 8.4, temp 79-81 degrees, nitrate >10,
NHO3 =0, 150 watt metal halide lighting with 20,000k light.
<SG is 1.05? That can't be right. Do you mean SG 1.025?>
Sorry for the length of this email, I hope I've not bored you to sleep!
<Nope. Thanks for writing.>
Any advice is greatly appreciated
Thanks
TonyRe: Help with
Identification – 10/09/07
Thank you for the quick response,
I've attached another photo, the round white dots are very small and its
difficult to pick up on the photo. If you can't identify it would it be
better to just remove them? Better safe than sorry??
Just one more question, with a 75 gallon tank how much daily water
evaporation would you expect, it seems I have to top up around half a
liter a day is this normal?
Thanks again
P.S. Yes the salt is 1.025 !!
<Hmm... very interesting. The pattern is odd, and reminds me more of
fish eggs than, say, snail eggs. Snails tend to deposit their eggs in
masses well after each partner has fertilised the other (snails being,
largely, hermaphrodites); but fish lay them in rows, because they glide
along the flat surface, the male following the female fertilising them.
So I'd be tempted to leave them in place and see what happens. You could
try and roll them off the glass into a floating breeding trap or
something, if you were really worried. That works with some fish eggs
quite well. If they are fish eggs, they should obviously have a
developing embryo inside them. I may be barking completely up the wrong
tree here of course, in which someone else at WWM will see the photos
and tell us what they might be. There's no "normal" rate of evaporation:
it depends on air movement, air temperature, air pressure, ambient
humidity, movement of the water, and all sorts of other factors. In
other words, "it is what it is" and all you can do is top up the water
loss each day (or however often you do it). Were the two little fish
Scats? Cheers, Neale>
Re: Help with Identification –
10/09/07
Thank you again Neale,
The two fish were indeed scats, of the spotted variety.... was just
reading up on them it seems they're a much more popular fresh water fish
than marine fish which I guess is why I couldn't find any info on them
as I was looking in the wrong place!
<They are really only temporary residents in freshwater, and ironically
do much better in marine tanks than freshwater ones, despite being sold
as freshwater fish. Enjoy they; they're lovely fish, and so long as they
get lots of bulky plant foods, they'll be happy. Basically treat like a
tang.>
As for the maybe fish eggs, being a bit of a pessimist I was a little
worried that they may be parasites of some kind as I could find
nothing similar on the web.
<Unlikely to be parasites. Parasites don't leave their eggs in the open
(you've been watching too much 'Alien'!). Parasites tend to put their
eggs inside something a host will eat, such as a smaller prey animal. So
you can basically write off the idea these are parasites.>
I will keep a look out on your site to see if anybody can identify them.
I will leave them where they are for now and see what happens.
<Indeed.>
Thanks for your time, let me know if you ever come to Bangkok and I will
buy you a beer :)
<Hah!>
Kind regards
<Cheers, Neale> |
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