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Re Mystery eel "Am I simply thinking doom and gloom" (RMF,
second opinion on the ID?)
8/25/09
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Hello everyone
These are the pictures Neale requested I send to help him help me
identify my freshwater eel ("am I simply thinking doom and gloom?" was
the original e-mail). I don't know if it is obvious by the pictures but
his head is fairly pointed with very small clear fins (pectoral? the two
little ones on each side) just shy of the head, his belly is nearly
white with a small amount of the grey colour on top bleeding into the
white in the form of
small spots. I could not really see gill slits perhaps they are at the
bottom of his "neck". I was previously mistaken and he does appear to
have both a top (dorsal?) fin that goes around his tail and is at the
bottom to.
It is completely clear and barely visible (I doubt you'll be able to see
them as they are transparent and I could barely see them without the
camera) It starts at about an inch from the head ("eel" is about 6.5"
maybe 7.5") and goes all the way around to the bottom stopping about a
little more than an inch from where the top one began. He has very small
black eyes found close to the snout he burrows tail first into the
substrate and burrows all the way in, not any of him is exposed. I have
never seen him with his mouth open so can't help with what his teeth are
like. Sorry the pictures aren't that great he appears to be camera shy
and the camera batteries died, as it was 3 am I thought it might be
rather inconsiderate stomping about trying to find new batteries and the
little beast has proven highly allusive so I am sending these pics even
though they aren't the best, sorry. I have never seen it eat and so far
no missing fish but I am worried he is starving to death, he appeared to
eat a few marine pellets when I left for a bit but he might have just
stirred them into the sand lol he was not at all impressed he couldn't
burrow.
<Well, I really do need a good view of the head and pectoral fins to be
sure, but I'm fairly confident that this is some Anguilla (True Eel)
species, a juvenile specimen at the moment, hence the pale colouration.
Almost without exception, Anguilla offer a pair of characteristics that
aquarists should be aware of: they get rather large, and they are highly
predatory. They aren't difficult to keep -- we had one at university
that
lived in what was little more than a bucket -- but they are notorious
escape artists and can be difficult to house because of this. Anything
small enough to be eaten will be eaten. They can be kept in big tanks
with
similarly robust fish, things like catfish and large carp, and kept
properly can live for decades. Water chemistry and water quality are of
remarkably little importance. All species are extremely similar in
shape,
size and temperament, and telling them apart is consequently very
difficult. Although never popular aquarium fish, they are widely traded
as food fish, and some end up in the ornamental fish trade. The only
other
fish you might consider is Pisodonophis boro,
<<I do concur. RMF>>
sometimes sold as the Glass or Rice Paddy Eel, a brackish-water predator
that gets to about 90 cm in length and feeds at night on invertebrates
and small fish. It isn't
commonly traded, but in recent years has been sold with a little more
regularity than before. There are some comments on this species on my
Brackish FAQ, here:
http://homepage.mac.com/nmonks/Projects/FAQ/6iglasseels.html
Telling Rice Paddy Eels from True Eels isn't easy, but Rice Paddy Eels
are much more slender, have weaker dorsal and anal fins, and a more
tapering tail; Rice Paddy Eels also have thick corneas over their eyes
to allow them to dig through the sediment without damaging their eyes.>
I have tried researching Fishbase and other databases however, most
pictures are of adults and I just can't quite match it to anything else.
I appreciate any help you can give on the matter. I hope you all have a
pleasant evening and thank-you very much for the site it is very helpful
I hope I didn't miss a post that would have told me what this guy is. I
just don't want him to eat the rest of the tank mates (if he gets giant)
or to
starve because I am not feeding the right thing, also the concern that
the people I got the tank/fish from might have unknowingly bought a
saltwater "eel" on accident, they weren't big into research/knowing what
the fish were =0).
<Neither eel is a "good" aquarium fish, and if you can't tell them
apart, keeping either in slightly brackish (SG 1.003-1.005) conditions
would be wise, since that will be appreciated by both. Eels are easily
distinguished from loaches (such as Pangio) which have barbels around
the mouth and spines in front of the eyes. Spiny Eels are also
different, having whopping great spines along the dorsal and anal fins
as well as very odd, trunk-like noses. Moray Eels are similar to true
Eels, but lack pectoral fins.>
Speaking of starving I am wondering if I am feeding my fish enough, I
realize you get this question often and I am sorry to bug you with it
again, but I find the pinch measurement confusing as everyone's "pinch"
is
different. I have a 90G tank (any suggestions to alterations in stocking
would be appreciated)
*1 dwarf Gourami
*4 platies 2- 3" / 2- 1"
*5 1/2 inch white cloud minnows
* 3- 3" turquoise rainbows (might get 3 more)
*3 weather loaches 7", 4" and 3" (plan on getting 3 more)
*2 Plecos one "common at 2.5"(will have a new home at 8inches) and one
bristlenose at 8"
I feed them about 1/2 a pea size flakes 2x per day 5 different types
alternating days for variety, alternating days they get marine sinking
pellets and tropical crumble sinking pellets about 1/4 pea amount fed at
the same time as the flakes, 2x a week they get sinking algae wafers 2,
1 time a week they get mysis frozen shrimp 1/2 cube, and than once a
week they get sinking bottom feeder pills. I know they say what they
will eat in 5 min but the stuff that goes to the bottom dissolves slowly
and the loaches and Pleco's can't bite it so they worry it and get it as
it dissolves. I don't want to overfeed them because I know that isn't
good but they ALWAYS look hungry to me ROFL I know they probably aren't
but I want them to get enough. Oh and once a week they get peas that are
skinned. I also have a planted aquarium with several plants and duckweed
available for casual grazing.
<Provided your fish have gentle rounded, convex bellies, and when viewed
from the front the flanks aren't concave, you're feeding them just fine.
Most aquarists over- rather than under-feed their fish. It's a good idea
to provide algae wafers a couple nights per week for Plec-type fish, 1-2
being adequate for Ancistrus species, and 4-6 being more appropriate for
the larger Hypostomus and Pterygoplichthys species.>
Again thank-you so much for your time and all of your guys'/gal's
efforts it is a great help and very interesting to read your articles
and answers to questions. Hope you all have a pleasant evening/morning,
I am going back to bed lol 4 am is WAY to early lol.
<Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: Mystery eel "Am I simply
thinking doom and gloom" (RMF, second opinion on the ID?) 8/25/09
Thank-you for the help identifying the eel it appears to be the Pisodonophis
boro (rice paddy eel), well maybe lol.
<Indeed, maybe.>
It will have a new home at my LFS. They will keep it as a display fish in
their new 300+G tank.
<Let's hope it's a brackish water aquarium, or it won't do particularly
well.>
It will stay in my 20 G tank till then. If you would like I will try and get
a better picture, when I move him (it), for your archives?
<I would certainly like such a picture for my Brackish FAQ, and I'm sure Bob
would happily put a copy up on WWM as well.>
He might be a little bigger in a few months when he is relocated and easier
to photograph. If you don't want another pic than no worries, just let me
know please. Wishing you all safe journeys.
<Thank you.>
Have a good day.
KJ
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Eel ID, probably no moray eel 2/28/07
Are there any moray species that stand on their tails and have their throats
inflated? I have heard of tulip eels doing this which are supposed to be very
aggressive. I do not have any good pictures of my fish to help determine if he
is a moray or not, but the LFS sold him as a moray.
<Moray eels rather hide instead of standing on their tails. They inflate their
throats while breathing. To get an idea of the ID a good picture is necessary.
Without a picture you should try looking at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/congridae.htm and
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ophichthidae.htm and http://www.wetwebmedia.com/morays.htm
for marine eels. Have a look at
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/anguillids.htm and
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/matacembelids.htm
for freshwater eels. Check the related FAQs, too. Also check FishBase by
entering the family names you found on WetWebMedia and selecting ‘all fishes’ to
get a link to photos. For the swamp eel check Monopterus alba. It has a very
typical head much unlike a real moray.>
I do not know growth rates of the swamp eel but my fish has not grown but little
in length but he has gained some girth and he has eaten quite a bit for a year
now. He also no longer has a pointed tail it is rounding out with possible fins
can not see close enough.
Am I in a bad situation if mine is a swamp eel with my Gymnothorax tile?
<I would not recommend keeping any of them with other fishes maybe except their
own species. May work for years, but even the scat is potential prey. Read the
freshwater moray articles on WWM.>
So far they are both sharing the tree root ornament to hide in peacefully. I
have my toad fish and red scat and the G. tile has no problems with them either
and even lies on top the toad fish when out. I have seen people with swamp eels
on monsterfishkeepers.com, but they are in fresh water. I have a brackish setup.
The main question I have if this is a swamp eel should I be looking into finding
him a new home at some point?
<Yes. Swamp eels need fresh water to lower end brackish water, the moray eel
needs high end brackish or full strength marine water, both are incompatible.>
Thanks for your advice on this.
<You are welcome. Cheers, Marco.>
Freshwater moray eel help 4/10/06
Hi, my name is Connor and i have 3 questions:
<Hello, my name is Bob and I have many more>
(1) I have been looking for a freshwater moray eel everywhere and i cant find
one anywhere near me i live in Clearwater FL. and have a 20 gallon tank
(2) if I have any more room in my tank would another moray have space and if
not is there any other fish that can be put into the tank with it.
(3) is there somewhere were i can find more about like what it eats.
thank you so much for your help.
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwmorayeels.htm
and the linked file above... and use the scientific names there to look
elsewhere on the Net, particularly fishbase.org
Bob Fenner>
Eel suitable with goldfish 2/13/06
Hi there,
what a fantastic website.
Just need some answer for my questions.
I have 70 litres aquarium (not sure) but it is 75cm length, 60cm depth and 40cm
width.
And full with 13 fantail goldfish.
<Too crowded... This volume is suitable for 2-3>
Seems like it is too crowded, and having plan to get rid some of those goldfish
and get couple eels and could sucker fish (not sure what you call them). Any
idea, what kind of eels that suit my goldfish?
<None>
OR any other animal looks like snake that suit my goldfish? How many fish are
better to stay in my aquarium? Thanks heaps. -Stephanie-
<The coldwater species get too large, eat goldfish... Bob Fenner>
Freshwater eel ? 12/21/05
Hello Bob, My name is Seth and I have (a what the store owner
called)
an African eel.
<There are a few possibilities here>
He lives in my freshwater aquarium that hosts a small
community. He has a striped/spotted pattern that gets lighter and
darker or more defined as he hides. Recently I noticed that upon coming
out of the sand, the front half of his body was light colored and the
rear half is darker (more defined pattern). I figured that maybe its
his chameleon way of camo. but it hasn't changed back to one solid
consistency. He still eats regularly and is very responsive to my
movement as well as other fish. Is there reason for concern or is this
two tone a natural tendency?
Thank you ~Seth.
<Hard to say w/o actual identification of the species. Is this a spiny
eel (family Mastacembelidae), or does it appear to be a "true" eel (lack spines
in its fins)? Can you send along an image? Bob Fenner>
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Re: Freshwater eel? 12/24/05
Its fins appear to be transparent. I have not seen a photo on the
web
that looks like this one. There is a poor quality photo attached that
maybe you will recognize.
<Yes, is a spiny eel... member of the family Mastacembelidae. Please see
this family's African members on fishbase.org. Bob Fenner> |
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Monopterus / Swamp "Eel" - 08/09/2005
I recently purchased this cutey from a local fish store. They had the poor
guy in a too-light tank with no hiding spaces.
<Poor feller!>
I have always wanted eel-like creatures in my 75-gallon, and I thought anything
would be better than where he was now.
<Likely so.>
I waited a week, checked in on him twice, tested my tank, and took him home.
<Keep in mind all the possibilities that a quarantine tank offers you.... ! >
After researching almost fruitlessly on the internet for care articles for this
species (which you can find by the handful in Asian rice paddies),
<Also by the handful on Google.... Just search on "Monopterus". Seems "alba"
is almost as commonly used as "albus". Fishbase has it as "albus". http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=4663&genusname=Monopterus&speciesname=albus
>
I decided the best thing to do was go fishing for public advice.
<No pun intended, I'm sure? <gfin> >
It's been about a week. He seems as comfortable as possible, and I have provided
him a few small feeder fish whenever he gets the urge to have a bite (as well as
about a thousand tiny snails).
<Does he eat the snails?>
He has no aggressive tankmates.
<As he grows, he may EAT his tankmates.... all....>
I have been keeping the tank lights off until he has time to adjust.
<Good.>
He's got plenty of hiding spaces.
<Also good.>
I would like advice any of you have with this species - actually not a true eel.
He hasn't eaten anything yet (that I know of),
<BAD.>
but I will not worry for another week about that.
<Begin worrying right away. Food is of the utmost importance with new wild
imports - try everything you can get your hands on.>
Any suggestions for meaty foods besides tiny feeder fish?
<Frozen "Formula One" cubes by Ocean Nutrition, bits of thawed frozen raw shrimp
or other fish/seafood, live shrimp.... just anything you can get into him, for
starters. 'Course, I'm not sure if he is "eel-like" in that he can go for many
weeks without food, so this may not be as urgent as I see it. I'd be shaking in
my shoes in a few days, if it were my fish.>
Will they eat dead food?
<Uncertain. Eventually, he should. You may have to start him on strictly live
foods. Perhaps even insects, like crickets?>
Should I purchase a feeding stick?
<Couldn't hurt. I prefer a very long, clear straw, myself.... cheaper, and
comes in packs of 100 ;) >
Any advice would be golden. Thanks!!
~M
<Wishing you and your new, very interesting pal well, -Sabrina>
Monopterus / Swamp "Eel" - II - 08/16/2005
Good morning crew!
<Good morning!>
I wrote in last week concerning the Monopterus Albus/Alba (swamp "eel"). I was
worried a bit that he didn't seem to be eating.
<Yes, I recall.>
I have tried everything I can get my hands on to entice him... I tried a
makeshift "feeding stick" a few times and wiggled some shrimp in front of him -
no response, not even negative. None of the remaining feeder fish have
disappeared. I bought frozen brine shrimp cubes and he isn't even curious. He
MAY be eating the tiny snails littering the tank (they seem fewer in number, and
they ARE slow), but I cannot be sure. I sit and watch the guy for hours in the
dark, and he just seems to be hanging out. He'll travel the length of the tank,
but slowly. Sometimes when the light is on and he's out and about, he seems very
weak (may be his sensitive eyes, but I'm more concerned that it's lack of
nutrition).
<Yeah, I'd be pretty concerned, as well.>
I plan on trying some type of worm (maybe earthworms or caterpillars),
<Skip the caterpillars! Or at least research the caterpillar species,
first. Some are toxic. Earthworms are a great idea.... Drop 'em right in
front of him, perhaps just after lights-out....>
but beyond that, beyond force-feeding the guy, I am at a loss. Any last-ditch
suggestions?
<DEFINATELY try live ghost shrimp. I would be surprised if he wouldn't chow
down on a couple.>
Should I isolate him in a smaller area? Tie a live fish to his head?? I am
getting very worried, as I don't want this creature to suffer. I'll do ANYTHING
to help the poor guy out!
<If the ghost shrimp are a hit, keep in mind that they're easy to breed - if you
have the space, this may be an option to keep in mind.>
Thanks so much
~M
<Got my fingers crossed for him.... Wishing you both well, -Sabrina>
What FW eel do I have? and do you have any advice for me?
Hi I recently got a moray eel from my friends fish shop they got them in
freshwater and I have a fresh water tank. Today I went to another fish shop and
asked about him they told me that I should put him in salt water. So I spoke to
my friend and he said that it was the first time they ever got a "freshwater"
moray eel and he really doesn't know. He's at least 1 meter long and 3cm thick
(1.5inches I think). He looks very much like this picture but no one knows his
species. Any advice you have would greatly be appreciated (before it dies) which
i hope it doesn't.
Thank you. Argyris Papageorgiou.
>> I can not see the photo you have sent. You are in South Africa, so I am
assuming that this is a marine species. Some young eels go into the estuaries of
rivers. E-mail me the photo of your eel to this address, especially a close up
of the head: eel@belowwater.com, Thanks, Oliver
Freshwater Eel, maybe
Hi. I just bought a Moray eel from my local pet store. They have it listed
as a freshwater eel and recommended I keep it with other freshwater fish. So I
put him in my freshwater tank. Later that night I did some research on the
internet and even chatted with a few moray hobbyist. What I found was that
there is no such thing as a freshwater Moray. The hobbyists I chatted with
recommended I put the Moray in a separate tank and slowly introduce sea salt.
They also recommended I email you with any further questions. So, my first
question is, who do I believe, the guys at the pet store, or the hobbyists?
My next question is, given that the Moray does in fact need salt water, what is
the desired level of salinity, and how fast (or slowly) should I introduce the
sea salt to my tank?
Thanks for your time!
Josh
<Hi Josh, Don here. This all boils down to what kind of eel you have there. If
it's a real Moray Eel he needs be kept in full saltwater conditions. Conditions
that would kill a freshwater species. How about doing a Google image search and
try to ID him. Send us a picture or link so we can figure out what he is and
what he needs>
Adapting "Freshwater" eel to marine
Hi,
First off, thank you for creating such an informative site, your information
has been of much assistance to me in looking after my Freshwater eel.
<Okay>
I have a question for you which I have not really seen answered in any
detail anywhere. I would like to know if it really is possible to adapt a
freshwater eel to a marine environment.
<Some species, yes... please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwmorayeels.htm
Do you know the species you have? Try inserting the common or scientific name in
fishbase.org>
If so, what would be the proper way
to go about doing so without causing any harm to it's health?
<Slowly... a few hundredths of specific gravity change per week... taking out a
volume of existing water and adding more salty to replace it>
I ask because I am in the research and planning stages of switching my
current freshwater tank to marine, and while I know I will have to give up
most or all of my current fish, if it is possible to keep my eel without
causing it harm then I would like to take the extra effort to do so. The
information I have seen on your site indicates that they are a freshwater to
brackish to marine species, and another site (aquariacentral.com) flat out
states that they can adapt to marine conditions, but that is about all I
have found on the matter. If you have any information on this that you
could share, I would appreciate it. Thanks!
-Mark C
<Read re this animals habitat, life history on fishbase... if it is a marine
species as an adult, it will likely be easy to convert. Bob Fenner>
Fresh, marine, brackish eels escaping?
I just purchased an eel for my 55 gallon tank. The lady I spoke with when
purchasing it told me to block off all holes in the top of my tank because it
could try to escape. If it did escape, how far could it "slither" before dying,
or would it just fall near the
tank? Thanks, Angie...
<Depending on the species, how hot, humid the area is, the type of flooring... a
few to several feet, a few minutes to several hours. Keep that tank covered. Bob
Fenner>
Unknown Eel
hi, my name's Dean I have had my eel for about 5 months he is very
healthy but I have wondered for awhile what kind it is I have a pic attached I
hope you can help in identify him.
<Neat... looks like a synbranchid eel to me... maybe Monopterus alba...
maybe give a read on fishbase.org re... or place the scientific name in your
search engines. Bob Fenner> |
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Fish Jumping out of Tank! 8/7/04
My name is Abby.
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have a 29 gallon fish tank (freshwater). My eels are acting kind of
strange. It all started when my snowflake eel jumped out of the tank, he was
fine for a few days, but then he died.
<Snowflake eels are high-end brackish to saltwater fish. Most of the time, when
a fish jumps out of it's tank, it is because it is too small, or the water
conditions/quality is poor.>
That's when my 2 remaining eels started being weird. My peacock eel's eyes have
turned this translucent white, like he's sleeping, but he swims around like
this. He is breathing fine, and swims a lot. However, he also stand up on the
bottom of his tail for hours on end, if that makes sense. Then, my fire eel has
just been hanging upside down off the heater. Again he's breathing right and
sometimes swims around. I have been feeding them ghost shrimp and worms from
the pet store as advised. This is all very new to me and I don't like for my
animals to die. I have looked on many websites for answers, but came up empty
handed. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks Abby
<How long has the tank been set-up? Was the tank cycled before adding these
fish? How often are you doing water changes? Are you aware that fire eels grow
to 24"? I would check the ammonia, nitrItes & nitrAtes. Add Melafix for the
cloudy eye. Ghost shrimp by themselves, are mostly water. I would gut-load
(feed) them something nutritious, like to use algae wafers, so my fish get their
veggies. ~PP>
FW Eel for 20g Tank? 7/26/04
Hello
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I am sorry for sending you this letter but I have looked for days to find out
about something.
<You don't have to apologize for asking questions, if you can't find the answer
somewhere.>
That something would be that I am looking to buy an eel and I only have a 20
gallon tank. Would that be enough to have a eel. If so you tell me
which
one or ones would be good to get. If not could you tell me of something
similar.
<Most eels grow fairly large--way too large for the tank you have. The
only
smaller eel that comes to mind is a spiny-nosed eel.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0603&view_records=1
Even this eel will grow to 6". Eels will only eat live foods, so be
prepared to
spend some $$$ on worms & such.>
Thank you
Tyler
I would really appreciate it if you would write back. Thanks
<Good luck finding the eel you want. ~PP>
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