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FAQs on Environmental Pondfish Disease, Gas Issues
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Different species have a much
greater/lesser tolerance for DO (Dissolved Oxygen) and CO2 and other
gasses... And size counts... Usually smaller individuals have more
percentage gill surface area...
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Koi problems...trouble breathing 03/25/07
We lost one 10 inch Koi last week. For approx: 2 weeks it was breathing
heavy, before it died. Now the others are showing the same symptom, and they
are 2 ft+. I am Building A pond outside. These have never been outdoors.
They are in A 300 gal Rubbermaid tub. I change water regularly once A week
40%. I heat to 87 Fahrenheit and store the water I use to change with. I
don't want to lose these fish, they have been with us for a long time. Can
you suggest something to help?
<What equipment are you using to aerate the water. You are running this
set-up quite warm...a little too warm in fact. The higher the temperature
of the water, the lower the dissolved oxygen in the water is...tis the
reason why you take a cold water/temperate animal like a leopard shark and
put it in a tropical tank it does not live very long. (Marine example I
know, but the concept is the same). You will either have to use serious
aeration equipment or lower the temperature significantly, refer to WWM re:
Koi fish for specifics. And are you testing the water chemistry?>
Please. Thank you. Sincerely; Fred Elliott
<Adam Jackson.>
dead Koi – 06/26/08
<... Please... fix your English if writing us>
the weirdest thing happened , this morning I came out to check out my Koi
pond, they were all dead including a goby and a goldfish I have, yet none of
the suckerfish are dead. they had no lesions ,cuts, nothing I checked the ph
nitrite and nitrate they were perfect. the Koi themselves were sort of
inflated and mushy inside it looked like there innards were gushy and one of
females um hole? was open and red and it looked cut. one of the males looked
like it had a long round balloon coming out of his belly. yesterday they
seemed fine nothing really bad to mention. the water seemed clouding and
white , and it looked like oil had been spilled in the water and looked like
white little pieces of junk was in the pond. can you help me out???
?
????????????????????? it's so weird, and it was so sudden please help me!!
<... Something happened... tis the season... likely either an oxygen
depression during the night, and/or a die-off of microbes/algae... need to
read and heed re dynamic equilibrium in pond maint., redundancy in
filtration, circulation, volume... where? On WWM. Bob Fenner>
Sudden Pond Fish Deaths
I have had an outdoor fish pond (150 gallons) for the last 4 years. I only have comet goldfish in my pond. I came home to find the 3 largest fish dead.
<<Marina here, I'm sorry to read this.>>
I have had them for the last 3-4 years. One of the larger fish was still alive but floating on his side and gulping for his breath.
<<In need of oxygen, possibly too much carbon dioxide or worse in the water.>>
I tried to save him, but was unsuccessful. I have 4 smaller comets that were their offspring (2 yrs old) that are still alive and they do not have any signs of sickness. I am puzzled as to why the larger fish have died.
I have never had any of the Comet fish to die. Our pump messed up and pumped about 70% of the water out the night before they died and we had to fill the pond up that morning.
<<Oh man, there you have it my friend. This is how I lost a whole pond
full of fishes once. >>
We were afraid that it would mess up while we were at work, so I did turn the pump off.
<<Bad juju - you simply ensured that it would end up the same whether or not the pump "messed up".>>
The fish were fine before I left and seemed to enjoy the water change.
<<I'm sure they did, especially if it's been a long time since you've done any maintenance on the pond. A build up of mulm/detritus on the bottom would be another reason for sudden deaths - anaerobic conditions may very well have been created with such a buildup, the gasses then build to the point where they are released into the water et voila'! Dead, gasping fishes.>>
The outside temperature was around 73 degrees the day they died. I don't know if they died from lack of aeration, but I have left it off before without any problems.
<<It wasn't that, it was such a large change without following aeration. For one thing, the water out of the tap has a great deal of gasses in solution. When you take that water out of the pipe, the pressure that kept the gasses in solution is gone, thusly, the gasses turn to bubbles, hopefully BEFORE the fish breathe them in. If not, they got the "bends" in a manner of speaking. NEVER refill a pond this way with fish and NOT ensure aeration and/or turbulent water movement to ensure this doesn't happen. Let's not forget that if on municipal water chloramine is likely present, bond between chlorine/ammonia MUST be broken chemically.>>
I have also done water changes greater than 70 % without any problems.
<<Did you leave the pump off after doing such a large water change? In a situation such as this we cannot ascribe the deaths to any ONE cause, but more likely a chain of events, several root causes coming together for a lethal combination. Do some maintenance on the pond if it hasn't been done already, check the pump and replace if necessary. I LOVE Eponds.com by the way. Fantastic service, incredibly fast shipping, incredible deals on product.>>
Any ideas as to what happened to my large fish (10 -13 inches long)?
<<Whoa.. they got THAT big in just 3-4 years?? As above, a combination of factors is my best guess here. If you have plants then they help prevent these sorts of problems. If you don't, consider adding live plants. Marina>>
Koi dead suddenly
Dear there,
<And there>
I have kept a 100 Gallon pond with 5 Koi for about nine months, the Koi is now
about 7 to 9 inches,
<One hundred gallons? This is way too small a volume for this number of Koi of
this size>
they have done well. the pond have filter and UV light system, half water change
every two weeks.
<Sounds like a nice set-up, maintenance schedule>
But yesterday morning, they stop eating abnormally, and one dead afternoon. I
was so surprised, tested water and changed about 2/3 water immediately. the
water rate before water change is as, PH 8.1, Ammonia 0.25,
<pH is a bit high... is your tap water this alkaline? And the ammonia is
hopefully just left over from the dead fish, and not something you have all the
time>
Nitride 0, temperature 74.
Looked at the dead Koi, no any sign of disease, only have sticky skin, the left
four looked have heavy breath, however they looked better after water change.
<Good move>
The nightmare is not finished, I found another dead Koi this morning, two of the
three left fish have heavy breath again, I put this two weak Koi into an
isolated basin with salted water and some medicine.
Can you image what's the problem I met according to my state, what can I do now
to survive the lest life.
Thank you very much.
Bo
<Very likely what you are experiencing is more of a "seasonal" set of
circumstances... the water warming up is increasing your fish's metabolisms and
reciprocally is responsible for less solubility of oxygen... With such a small
volume your fishes aren't getting enough oxygen... this is at least a major
contributing factor to their distress, dying... I doubt if they have a
pathogenic (bacterial, parasitic) problem... you can add some aeration, keep
changing water frequently, but you really need a larger pond if you intend to
keep Koi. Bob Fenner>
Goldfish behaviour 7/4/05
Hi
<Hello there>
I have a very large garden pond - twenty foot by forty plus foot, four feet plus
deep at one side, lots of goldish which do breed and so on. However they do
this every year and I now feel I need to know why.
They are mostly just hanging suspended in the water, like they were asleep,
although they did consent to eat a little yesterday and in the post dawn period
they make little bubbles on the surface which linger most of the day.
<Ah, yes>
Can anyone tell me what they are doing and why? No filter or oxygenator alas
but I have lived here for more than ten years now and have managed so far okay.
Thanks very much
Angie Watts
<They are experiencing changes in the pond due to the season... in essence being
poisoned... changes in pH, mixing of bottom water... You might consider adding
aeration, biological filtration... that will make this system overall more
homeostatic throughout the year. Bob Fenner>
Re: Pond Goldfish behaviour 7/5/05
Thanks very much for your reply. I found the credit note from the water
company when we had to have the concrete pond relined with a butyl liner as
it had cracked (September 2003) and I found I reclaimed for 35metres3 not
put back into the sewage system.
<A good note... in the States we also can at times realize such a saving from
notifying our water/sewage service provider>
Add to that the contents of 2 x 45 gallon
containers, one large fish tank and a paddling pool (for the marginals) I
think that works out a pond approx 7,800 gallons, am I about right?
<Mmm, 35 cubic meters of water is about 9,409 gallons...>
About a
hundred goldfish (although most of them have bred black). I have ordered a
solar powered oxygenator to help things & use barley straw in old tights
(last added about three weeks ago) but I guess 2 and half inches of rain the
other day really upset my systems. Although I have to confess I was in
there the week before taking out some weed! At the moment I am just
spraying the water a little each day to add oxygen.
<All good techniques>
The fish seem to be
okay but after looking through your web site I am resolved to feed them less
often than the several times a day they have got into the habit of begging
for.
It's a great site - I have learnt so much from looking at it.
Cheers
Angie Watts
<Thank you for your kind words, caring and sharing your experiences. Bob Fenner>
Koi unusual habits 8/12/05
Dear Bob Fenner,
<Derek, Jenny>
We live in the South of England UK and have a garden pond of approx 1,000
gallons and 4 feet deep. We have 7 Koi (4 being about 15" long). We also
have 16 other fish being a mixture of goldfish and Shubunkins and babies we
have reared.
<A bit crowded...>
We have a very good filter system and water pump in the pond and part change
the water and clean the filter regularly. The water is clear and the fish
are all healthy and we have not lost any for 4 years.
However, there is a water outlet pipe which runs from the filter and then
the water cascades into the pond quite strongly. My husband and I are
worried because we have recently noticed the 3 large yellow Ogon Koi have
taken to sitting under the pipe and letting the water hit them on their head
(in fact they almost have their head out of the water to do this and stay
there in this position for some considerable time. It may sound odd, but
they are also opening their mouths as if they are trying to drink the water!
<Telling>
At first we thought it was only one Koi doing this, but have found the
other 2 Ogons doing the same thing yesterday and today. They seem to do it
after about 19.00 hours. Also all the other fish are around them at the
time very closely compacted and almost nudging each other gently. There is
no animosity or bullying. In the 5 years we have had our fish we have never
noticed this behaviour before and we spend a lot of time caring for them and
watching their habits. We are now worried. Is this natural behaviour?
<Is... for an oxygen lacking environment... you have provided the significant
clues... the small size, surface area of your pond, the fact that the Ohgons
("sun-colored fish") are affected most, and the time frame of the commencement
of this behavior... What is happening very likely is that with the sun going
down, cessation of photosynthesis, there is a rapid loss of dissolved oxygen
concentration... by virtue of their breed (all Koi, like domestic dogs, are of
the same species), the Ohgons suffer most... and therefore...>
This is not a joke email by the way!. Many thanks for your help in advance.
We have found your website most helpful.
Jenny and Derek
<The best thing to do... either reduce the bioload here, increase the pond
size... and/or add mechanical aeration (bubblers). Bob Fenner>
Re: Koi unusual habits 8/15/05
Dear Crew
<Derek>
Many thanks for your speedy reply received the following morning after your
email.
I immediately tested the water in the pond and it was reading dangerous
on nearly all tests.
<Yikes! Glad you were quick to action>
I guess you probably saved the lives of all our fish, as I immediately
went to the Water Gardens Fish Farm nearby and bought the bubble making
machine for oxygen, pond salt, BioStart, Water Cress and updated our water
testing kit.
<Great!>
My husband immediately started a series of partial water changes over the
last few days and cleaned out the filter again.
<Very good>
It didn't enter our minds that the oxygen level was low as the pond and
fish have been healthy for 4 or more years.
<Happens... very commonly>
Many thanks once again. We now have happy fish swimming around normally.
Your Website is an inspiration!
Regards Derek & Jenny, England UK
<Ahh, my twin wishes... that WWM serve as a source of information... and
inspiration! Cheers, Bob Fenner>
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