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Transship acclimation 3/1/09 Hey Bob I
was reading some of your post's and I was concerned about acclimation
from a transhipper .. when I receive fish my method was to cut bags open
add fish and there water they came in to the Styrofoam box, then drip ,
I'm aware this could be wrong because of the O2 and ph difference .My
question is if you can help me . lets say the fish that came in the bags
after opening is 7.2 my system is 8.2 I need to buffer up what the water
the fish came in ? <?! Yes... one REALLY needs to address this
process carefully... dilute the acclimation/shipping water ammonia
out... matching pH... raising this slowly...> do I have separate
water to acclimate and if so when I add my fish to my system my system's
ph is 8.2 . <Are you joking? I take it not... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/acclimat.htm and the linked files above... Bob
Fenner> can you help me out here thank you so much John Hartson.
Re: Transship acclimation I am sorry to bother you I did
read those article's and I am trying to follow them and understand them
completely. <... Am wondering, what is so incomplete re this
protocol... I just re-read it> On my first order I had lost about
half of my stock, what I had done was float the bags <... I would
NOT do this... too stressful, takes too long, the animals are in need of
more immediate acclimation> in my water but I didn't have enough
surface room to float all so process took to long, Need to figure out
better way to temp acclimate. <This is BEST done by dripping the
pH-matched water...> I thought dripping from my system's water would
be correct, <?!! No!> but after reading those articles I know the
ph and ammonia act up ect. <No such word as ect> So if you could
help explain to me would be helpful. Ok if I receive the fish and add
the fish in the Styro boxes what should i do from there? <What? Read
where you were referred to> add what chemicals to ph up? <...
idiocy... the pH will be lower...> drip or don't drip? i will use air
pumps . I do not have a separate qT tanks only display tanks. <Then
you should NOT be transhipping> . My systems have a ph of 8.2
salinity of 1.024 which is the same as the fish in the bags from the
exporters <... not on arrival> , I ask my exporter for his SG.
1.024, my temp of my tanks are 77 degrees. I did buy ammonia destroyer
but I read somewhere else that if there's a high ammonia just add fish
to main system as it better than leaving in toxic water, so why add
ammonia destroyer as some say? I sorry for my lack of knowledge on this
but would like to understand proper way of acclimating ..thanks for you
time John Hartson <Please... don't waste y/our time... If you're
unwilling to read, please quit our trade and take up something that
doesn't involve livestock. Really. BobF> Gill Burn
Hi, to the WWM crew!! I am anxiously awaiting your new book, recently
received an e-mail that it may be another month or two (I'm sure it will
be worth the wait)! <I hope so> I recently received a Golden
Puffer, as with all of my new fish I ALWAYS test the shipping water as a
precautionary. The Golden Puffer had extremely low PH, which was
expected, however the ammonia was off the scales, pretty much as high as
it could go. <Not atypical> I acclimated the fish rather
quickly, to get him out of the ammonia. <Umm, not a good idea...
Please read through the marine acclimation pieces stored here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimat.htm necessary to adjust pH
slowly (possibly over hours) while the ammonia and its analogs are
present in the water AND in the fish... to keep pH suppressed till no
detectable ammonia in either> However since then he has had trouble
with his gills, occasionally he will close one gill, and just breathe
out of the other gill. I have also noticed some occasional
scratching, and it appears that he is trying to scratch the gill
area. I believe he has some damage to the gills from the exposure to
the high ammonia. <Maybe> The puffer is currently in a 55 gallon
QT with extra stress coat (don't know if this is going to help). He
appears to have good color, his eyes are clear, I do not see any signs
of parasite (aside from the scratching). He has not eaten as of yet.
<The single gill movement may be nothing (this happens) and the fish may
well not feed for days> Is there anything I can do to help reverse
the burning damage done to the gills? Is it at all reversible?
<Time, good conditions... very likely this specimen will self-cure>
Can you please explain what happens when the "gills are burned" and how
do I help him? <The epithelium is chemically challenged, generally by
high or low pH... possibly by concentration of noxious chemicals
otherwise. In the worst cases there is hemolysis (splitting of blood
cells) leading to dire physiological stress> He has a beautiful 240
gallon tank waiting for him. Thank you for your time and your
knowledge, it is greatly appreciated. Jen Marshall <Patience here
my friend. Bob Fenner> Treating new fish 6/18/03 Hello
Anthony, <cheers, mate> I thought about Formalin, but was worried
about its effects on the filter (which is biological)? <valid... but
not so severe as many other meds (like copper, Methylene blue,
erythromycin, etc)> I will consider a formalin dip, the MelaFix was
added because i had some and i thought it would be fine with the shark.
<agreed... I do believe it is safe for the shark... and safe for the
parasites too <G>> how lo would you say to lower the salinity by (if
the shark was removed)? <1.018> I am completely struck on
transshipped marines and i am due a list from Hawaii. Can you suggest
any thing from there that is really good or worth having? <many fine
wrasses, a few dwarf angels... beautiful triggers and Tobies (dwarf
puffers)...> in my mind i am thinking flame angels, potters angel,
Lemonpeel angels, yellow Sailfin tangs, chevron tangs - common but
sought after! <the tangs yes... very much. Great fishes and hardy.
The Potters... no way. They are so delicate that many don't even make it
to the US mainland. Not a strong fish under any circumstance... lets
leave those beauties in the sea. Lemonpeels and Flames can be quite
hardy once established though. Very fine.> Regards, Sam <best
regards, Anthony> What We Have Here Is a Failure to Acclimate!
Hi I like your web site and I have a question for ya. I have had
coral trouble lately. I couldn't figure it out at first I checked
anything from copper to nitrates and everything was fine , and then I
found out that the store's tank has a ph of about 8.6 and mine was about
8.2 to 8.3.I had already bought some brain coral and it started to die .
So I stared to put some ph adjuster in and it stop dying but never came
out it started to grow back a little bit but it was to late about two
weeks ago it died .About two weeks later I bought a fairly good size
pineapple brain coral and about a week later it starting to die around
the corners I don't know what could be the matter . I have a little
white crab that has bristle hairs (it came in with some live rock it
sort of looks like a anemone crab but it doesn't hang around the two
pink Florida anemones that I have. (I have never seen the crab on the
coral day or night. I also have seen a long about 2 1/2-3 inch whit worm
. I have never seen it out of the sand I also think I have bristle worm
that I have never seen out of the sand. If it were two my prowling glass
goby would find it as a meal as it does everything else . I was
wondering if you would know if it could be a something in the tank or
the ph . I don't think it's the lighting because I have a 50/50 reef and
sun, and the star polyp coral and the anemones like the light. <I'm
guessing that you didn't acclimate your corals properly. To narrow down
some possibilities, water quality wouldn't be much of an issue in the
short run. Lighting wouldn't be an issue, either, in the short run. I
also doubt that the critters which you described would cause this. I'm
left with either A) You have some type of toxin/chemical in your water
which is killing the corals B) Something in your tank is picking at it
C) You haven't acclimated the corals properly. My guess is that you
haven't acclimated the corals properly or there is a chemical in your
water which is causing this. Acclimation for such corals should take
about an hour or two hours using the drip method (provided you use 1
drop per second, according to the amount of water volume in the bag the
coral came in). Failure to acclimate could cause this. Some questions
I need to properly answer your original question include: 1. How old
is the tank 2. How long did you acclimate the corals for? 3.
What were the water levels you tested for? 4. What filtration do you
have? 5. What fish do you have? 6. Anything else? Take
Care, Graham > Rapid Fish Deaths So here goes. I
browsed previously asked questions but didn't find anything close. I
have a relatively new 90 gal saltwater tank (saltwater in it for 6 weeks
now) that has completed cycling in the last three weeks. I have 150lbs
of live rock, a 4-5" sandbed, turbo classic skimmer, U.V. sterilizer
(just switched on), pc fluorescent and metal halide and water changing
about a gallon a day. Parameters during the period of my tale: Nitrite
0, Ammonia 0, Nitrate 15 ppm, Calcium 550 ppm, Magnesium 1000 ppm,
Alkalinity 15dKh, pH 7.9, ORP 315, Salinity 1.023. One and a half
weeks after cycling completed I attempted to introduce a few Damsels
(yellow tails). Acclimation was to drip tank water for 60 minutes,
remove 50% of contents, fast drip for 30 minutes and........then the
fish died. <Hmm...> I tried again. This time I added an airstone
to the fish bag, floated the bag in water that was kept between the
temperature of the arriving fish water and the tank (only a 3 degree
spread between these two), measured fish bag pH at 8.0 and tank at 7.9
and arriving salinity of 1.019 vs. tank of 1.023. Acclimation was to
drip tank water for 1 hour, remove 50 % of contents ,slow drip for 30
minutes (even slower than first time), remove 50% of contents and fast
drip for 30 minutes.............but the fish died. <Wow- something
ain't right here...> Taking some advice that the acclimation process
may have been too slow with the possibility that the fish underwent
oxygen starvation in the bag, I tried again with a modified acclimation
procedure - floated the bag in the tank for 15 min.s, added a cup of
tank water after 10 min.s and so on for 4 cups, dipped the fish, and
then into the tank. Success - the fish was quite inquisitive for
about 10 minutes and then found its way up the intake tub of a powerhead
and in the 5 minutes following the powerhead
encounter..................the fish died. <Yikes...lousy luck!>
I tried again. Same acclimation as immediately above, the fish was
inquisitive for about 10 minutes and just slowly gave into the currents
in the following 5 minutes and..............the fish died.
<Okay...not good here...> I'd really appreciate some suggestions
because at this point its no longer fish slaughter but first degree fish
murder if I try again. Thanks <Okay, I have a few
observations/thoughts here. My first recommendation is to quarantine all
new arrivals in a separate tank before placing them into the display...I
know that you are having troubles just acclimating the fish, but this is
a good practice to start with. My other thought is that you may be
getting some fishes from a source that has questionable quality, or that
you may not be selecting healthy fishes to begin with. Do consider
obtaining your fishes from another source, and really read up on the
FAQs here on WWM concerning the selection of healthy specimens (and how
to evaluate them). The other thought that I have is to think about the
possibility of a toxin of some sort in your water. Your acclimation
techniques sound fine, but something doesn't jibe here...Assuming that
all of your basic water quality parameters are correct, and at proper
levels, as you report, then something else may be going on. Have you
used any type of household cleaning solutions near the tank? Any paints,
solvents, insecticides, etc., which somehow could have gotten into the
tank? Any "additives" that you have been using? Are all tank items and
decorations non-toxic? Have you obtained rocks or decorative corals from
unknown sources, which may have contained a toxic substance of some
sort? Think of all of the possibilities here...From the basics to the
exotic. In the absence of measurable water chemistry problems, you need
to look at all sorts of possibilities. I'd recommend continuous use of
activated carbon and Poly Filter, not to mention some water
changes...Aggressive protein skimming is helpful, too. Just keep looking
beyond the obvious, and think about some of the things that we've
discussed here. Don't be discouraged- you can and will be successful
here...Good luck! Regards, Scott F>( Rapid Fish Deaths (Follow
Up) I have tried two fish sources. I have been quite meticulous
in the care and handling of water and materials. Although I should be
quarantining, these are the first tank inhabitants so have not done so.
<I understand your thoughts, but you could still introduce potential
diseases that can lay in wait for further additions to the tank.
Quarantine is a really good idea right from the start> I have had
indirect contact with the London Aquarium who are similarly baffled.
There has been a suggestion that the DSB has ripped sufficient oxygen
out of the water as it turns anaerobic to cause depletion. <An
interesting theory-I'm not sure of the plausibility; but worth running
an oxygen test to see if this is the cause...> I have done a 100%
water change and will try again. Thanks <Get up again and keep
at it...Your determination and perseverance are inspiring to others who
run into obstacles along the way in this hobby! Thanks for sharing, and
feel free to contact us again if we can help! Good luck! Regards, Scott
F> Re: new specimen acclimation questions 1/8/03 thanks
for you quick response. let me clarify (it was late, and I was in
a bit of a rush to get the e-mail out)... <Hi Rob. Adam here this
time. Hopefully we will clear everything up! For clarity, I will place
** ** around the rest of my replies.> >1) Last Rabbitfish I got was
from an ich infected tank (yeah, I know, bad move). I Methylene blue
dipped it. <I'm assuming you meant with pH-adjusted freshwater with
Methylene blue in it??? Flesh dripping off sounds like something was
very wrong with the dip.> Looked like the flesh was coming off it when
it died (could see the "teeth" under a flapping upper lip). Did I dip it
too long? <Well... you haven't given many details about the dip, >but
it does sound like it was flawed somehow.> It was maybe 3
inches. Dipped it for 12 minutes. <That does seem a bit long - probably
doesn't need to be any longer than five minutes.> It never tried to
torpedo out of the dip. <Might well have been doomed before the dip.>
yes, that's exactly what I meant, a fresh-water ph adjusted freshwater
dip (using ph 8.3 from SeaChem). I had previously used 5 gallons of
water (easier to do the division for figuring how much to
add). problem is I always had trouble finding the fish :) I would
leave it in the net just below the surface so I could find it. **I
am a bit concerned about the fact that you can't find the fish in the
dip. I have never used Methylene blue, but would be surprised if the
concentration should be so high as to limit visibility through the
solution.** I've switched down to 2 gallons (which will hopefully
make it easier to find when I release it from the net. thanks for the 5
minute advice. I had always thought longer is better, so long as they
could take it... **To a certain extent, yes, but the use of
medication is always striking a balance between enough to harm the
pathogen, but not so much as to harm the "patient". It sounds like in
this case, the "patient" didn't do so well. This could be because of
overmedication (overdose or just too long), or it could be because it
was doomed to begin with** >2) I ordered another one, along with a
Scott's fairy wrasse. Should I bother dipping them? Haven't had much
luck. <I dip all my fish, even the expensive ones - you should too.
Check your protocol, perhaps you've been doing something wrong. More
details here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dips_baths.htm > >3) Will they get
along together in a 15 gal QT tank? <The wrasse and the tang? Yes, I
think so... fairy wrasses are fairly easy going, as are Rabbitfish.>
>4) Is it advisable to put 2 fish in the same QT? <Wait... didn't you
just ask that question? Honestly, I wouldn't - will affect your ability
to control water quality - would be better to put them in individual
quarantine.> actually, I asked 2 separate questions: would they get
along, and should you put 2 fish in the same QT. I've never read
anything which said you couldn't, so I was just asking. the literature
is pretty vague (lots of cases when using QT for treatment, not for
prophylactic measures, where it mentions putting the sick fish or
multiple sick fish in the same tank). **In situations where you have
several of the same fish that have been through the same chain of
custody (a school of green Chromis, for example), I would say that it is
OK to quarantine together. In most cases, though, putting two fish that
have come through different chains of custody into the same quarantine
defeats the purpose as one could contract disease from the other.**
>5) I have a UV sterilizer I used with the display tank. I've been
told that it might be a good idea to hook it up to the QT. <Might be a
better place for it.> Isn't that just delaying the inevitable if the
fish are sick? <I don't follow... isn't quarantine the place you'd want
to treat such problems?> Or is this a good practice? <Is where I run my
UV.> **Strong agreement here. Your UV will be much more effective on
a smaller tank, and is best placed where you expect to treat or want to
stop potential incoming disease. UV on a stocked reef tank has little
utility in disease management because of the large amount of substrate
that can harbor disease organisms.> I view the QT for introduction of
new species as more Darwinian in intent. maybe that's just because in
my experience the fish either die within a couple of days, or make it
through (well, only one has, just to die later through probable
electrocution). <This is a very skewed view IMO. Quarantining will
prevent the introduction of disease into your system. The value of this
will become apparent when a fish develops signs of disease in quarantine
while your whole display tank full of fish remains unexposed. It will
become even more apparent when you wipe out a tank full of fish after
skipping quarantine for a fish that looked healthy. Even if a newly
introduced fish dies without introducing disease, you will have imported
a lot of nutrients that could have been avoided by quarantining.>
probably not the best way to look at it, but I seem to lose 90% of my
fish in QT. which is why I'm starting to wonder if quarantining is
worth it, especially with a fallow display tank.... <This leads me
to believe that you are either buying highly stressed, doomed fish or
that there is a problem in the management of your Q tank. Do remember
that a Q tank has all of the same requirements for filtration and water
quality that the display does, although the strategies will be different
since the Q tank only runs for short periods of time. As far as your
fallow display... You will appreciate the diversity that is allowed to
develop and the patience it took when you have a well stocked healthy
system.> thanks again,-- rob <Good luck! Adam> QT and
acclimation Hello! <Hi,> At my LFS, there was a royal Gramma
in QT for the past few weeks. Today, they were going to put it in a
display tank, but I bought it instead and took it home. I don't have
room for a QT tank, so I usually shop around for fish that are being
quarantined elsewhere. Is this a bad practice? <Yes, it doesn't mean
that the fish is healthy.> Does it matter *where* the fish are
quarantined as long as they are? <It does matter because the shipping
could make susceptible to getting sick again.> At any rate, I brought
the fish home, and started slowly replacing its water in its bag to
acclimate it. I was planning on replacing a cup of its "bag" water with
a cup of my tank water every five minutes until most of its water would
be water from my tank. Well, as I was pouring the water and Gramma from
the bag into a small 2-gal container I would use to acclimate it, just
before being poured into the container, the Gramma jumped! <Opps!> It
sprang clear of my container. In my panic to catch the "flying fish", I
knocked over the container (my wife is going to kill me when she sees
our drenched carpet). I had to pick the Gramma off the carpet and just
let it go into my main tank. The poor Gramma swam to the nearest and
smallest cave it could find, and has not come out since, not even for
feeding (I tried feeding "enriched" brine shrimp, bloodworms). I can
tell it's still alive, though, as it moves slightly when one of my
clowns comes near the cave. My Gramma has NOT had a good day. It's
"acclimation" consisted of dry carpet. I know I should be worried,
since there's obviously a reason you tell everyone to acclimate their
fish... but my question is: HOW worried? Will the Gramma get
better? Will it ever come out of its cave? Will one of my two clowns
prevent it from doing so? The clowns and Gramma are all I have in
the tank besides a cleaner crew. <I would be concerned about the fish
but not overly worried. I have done this before and had fish
survive. Grammas in particular are fish that like to jump out of tanks
when scared. If your clowns are picking on him then his chances are
slim. But, if not you should be O.K. Give the fish a couple of days
and then try feeding live brine. This is just to get it to start eating
again.> Last question: Your site says that brine shrimp is not very
nutritional food. My LFS said it was, because they were selling brine
shrimp "enriched with HUFAs. I have no idea what that stands for,
except it's something about fatty acids. I requested Mysis
shrimp. They said my clowns and Gramma would not be able to handle it
since they were too small. I didn't want to sound like an uninformed
idiot, so I trusted what my LFS had to say. So far, I'm feeding the
fish bloodworms and "enriched" brine shrimp, in addition to the little
white critters that came as hitchhikers on my LR that they regularly
feast on. <Discontinue with the bloodworms. They are freshwater worms
and do not provide the proper balance of nutrients and vitamins for your
fish. As far as the enriched brine goes, it is O.K. for supplemental
food but not a main staple diet.> I did search FAQs (I spent the past
three hours searching your site) and I can't find any other examples
where fish were dropped on the carpet prior to acclimation... <The best
thing to do is to quarantine (I know you don't have one) and treat it
with stress coat. The time spent on the floor probably removed its
protective coating and exposed its scales to infection. If your tank is
not a reef tank you can do that. If you decide that this is the way to
go then watch your protein skimmer for it will overflow. Good luck!
MikeB> Thanks in advance for your responses. Paul
Acclimation, Angel 9/12/05 Hi <Hello> I am new to WWM but
have been passively reading many many of your articles to become
better educated in the marine area. <Good idea> I
recently purchased a juvenile emperor angel and placed him in a
quarantine tank for observation before placing him in with my main
tank. I gave him a 2 minute fresh water (straight RO water at 78
F) bath and then placed him in the quarantine tank. This is a 10
gal. tank with a 45 degree 4" PVC elbow in it for refuge. It is
again RO water at 78 F medicated with copper,<copper should only be
used when necessary. It's adding undue stress to the fish.>
and aerated with a small stone and filtered through carbon. The
first night and next morning he (she?) looked fabulous. The fish
ate a small amount of Formulae 2 and one Mysis shrimp that I
offered. The fish swam around curiously and seemed just fine.
The next morning I found him at the bottom not swimming
around anymore. I decided to check the salt content (don't get too
mad here) and discovered I had messed up mixing when I set of the
tank (doh!). It was at 1.032 SG! I slowly (over 4 hours) diluted
it back down to 1.023 without replacing the copper.<Four hours is
too short a time to drop the SG that much.> He must have found the
second serving of Formula 2 as it was gone from the tank floor by
the end of the day. It has been 2 days since and the fish is still
on the bottom but now his nose is downward and he seems to be
breathing more rapidly. I am concerned I somehow injured him and
fear I will lose him. Any thoughts? <Filter the QT
with a good grade carbon or Chemi-Pure to remove the copper. I'd do
at least a 30% water change with water of the SAME salinity and 24
hours later see if there is any improvement. If he is eating, you
may want to add vitamins to his food, something such as
Selcon. James (Salty Dog)> Thanks in advance for any help you
can offer. Contrite fish-keeper, Mark Re: New Emperor
Angel acclimating trouble - need help 9/13/05 Thank you
so much for the super-quick reply! <You're welcome> I followed
your instructions and so far he is still alive a day later. He is
still on his side most of the time but will move around from time
to time and his color still looks great. I guess all I need to
do now is wait to see if he recovers. Just a follow up question
to my terrible start. Do you think either the copper dosing and/or
the total screw up of the salt could have damaged this fish in a
way that would not kill him but leave him this way long term? <The
angel more than likely went into shock from too many changes at
once. Do not use lighting on his tank. It will make him feel a
little more relaxed.> I know I will find out eventually but I
feel so bad to see him this way knowing that I took a healthy fish
and caused this situation. <It's a good idea to research a fish
before you buy and know it's requirements. James (Salty Dog)>
Mark |
Acclimation 10/17/05 Hello, My
fish store keeps their specific gravity at 10.14, my aquarium is 10.24.
I usually drip the tank water into a bucket for three to four hours
using iv tubing for acclimation. I've recently lost a few fish within 24
hours for no obvious reason. Should I be acclimating over a number of
days rather than hours? These fish were in the store for over a
week, were eating and breathing normally. After a few hours in the tank
they began to swim at the surface and breath rapidly. I would appreciate
your help. <I believe your dealer is keeping his salinity at the low
level in a attempt to keep parasitic disease down. <<And to
save money on salt mix! MH>> Twenty four hours is a little
short on time with that much difference in salinity. I'm sure the ph
levels are different between the dealer tank and yours also. You've
got a double edge sword here as 24 hours is too short and a 3 day
acclimation (which would be needed) puts undue stress on the fish. I'd
look for a different dealer whose salinity is closer to yours. If he is
the only one, then you have no choice but to acclimate for a longer
time. Another suggestion is to set up a quarantine tank at the same
salinity level as the dealers, place the fish in there and gradually
increase the salinity on a daily basis. James (Salty Dog)> Thank you,
Rich Acclimation Situation (Problem
Acclimating New Fishes) - 03/07/2006 Hey crew, <Hi there!
Scott F. here tonight!> I have a problem acclimating new fish, I
have several fish already living in my tank that I acclimated by
floating the bag at the top of the tank and then letting the fish go
into a holding tank (same water as the main tank), but after a day or
two the fish is dead. The store I purchased the fish at quarantines
these fish for a two week period, and dips them. The first group of
fish did just fine, but now it seems that I can't add any new
fish. Could you please give me suggestions on what I need to do to get
new fish to thrive in my tank. Water parameters:
Nitrate near zero Phosphate (I have trouble reading the test kit
but) I think it is around .2 mg/l Ph is 8.1-8.4 Alkalinity
is 8.0 dKH Ca is between 410-450 Tank parameters: 180
gallons Needle wheel Protein skimmer (can't remember the name but it
is ASM rated for 250 gallon tanks) Macro algae in the sump.
5 gallons of water change a week. The current fish are 1-Neon
goby 1-6 Line Wrasse 1-3 Blue Chromis 300 lbs of live rock
Branching Frogspawn 10 heads 3 sea cucumbers (2 I rarely see)
100 mushrooms 40 Zoanthids 4 Ricordea Thank you for your
help. I really appreciate it. Eric <Well, Eric, the procedures
involved in acclimating fish are well-documented here on WWM. Do read
the articles and FAQs for more information. In addition, I'd consider
obtaining my future fishes from another source. It may not be your tank,
or your skills...It may very well be the source of the fish. Give a new
supplier a chance! Best of luck to you! Scott F.>
Prob.s
concerning bio cycle... new to commercial, SW... parasitic disease,
prevention, re-establishing sys. 4/26/06 To whoever
picks this up: Dear Sir, I have been gathering too much info
from your site the past few months while I was trying to establish a
wholesale point for marine fish and I am grateful to you for this. I
ve seen that you help a lot of people with the problems they have and I
was wondering if you can help me too. I have a commercial system
with the power of handling 5 tons (currently use it at its one 1/3
capacity) <For other readers, often systems are measured elsewhere
in their weight in water> (TMC Marine system) and 25 kg.s of
biomass. It has a 440W UV bio tower sand filter big skimmer... I had
it working for a month boosted with the Abil package for a quick 10 day
cycle establishment. <Theoretically... that is, under some
standard...> The water parameters were monitored and the cycle
seemed to be working fine. The NO2s went up and the then down after
increasing the NO3s (Strangely a white dusty byproduct was left down on
the bottom of my tanks??) <Not uncommon> After that I had my
first order coming from Indonesia. At the first 5-6 days everything was
good all the 150 fish (2-3 kg.s biomass) came to balance and got back
their beautiful colors. The next few days they started showing stress
they developed whitespot and started dying. <Very common that wild
fish are infested... you don't (yet) mention acclimation or treatment
procedures... these are extremely important, and detailed on WWM for
commercial and residential applications> Until I realize what's
going on half of my stock was dead my ammonia went to the sky and my
NO2s as well <This is to be expected... from the dead, dying source
of protein...> the remaining of my stock I gave it to many of my
friends because I couldn't watch them die slowly any more. <... are
you sure you're suited to this/our industry?> Now I am trying to get
things going again and this is where I need your advice. Should I
keep the water I have in the system (artificial) or should I sterilize
everything and start from the beginning using sea water and wait for the
cycle to run again? Thank you in advance for the help Yiannis
Christodoulou <Having been in this situation before, and done both,
I would bleach (sodium hypochlorite likely) the system and start
again... with the same water if it is otherwise in "good shape". Please,
do read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimat.htm and the many
articles/FAQs files on Marine parasitic disease... Bob Fenner>
Emperor Angel, Breathing and Vertical - 5/11/06 Hi
All, <Dave> I am a long time reader, first time writer who
is (or more accurately, whose fish is) potentially quickly running
out of options. I purchased a changing Emperor Angel
from saltwaterfish.com. I have never before had any troubles with
them other than this. I followed my usual acclimation procedure. I
opened the bag and dripped for four hours to acclimate him to my QT
system. The acclimation container was dosed with Para Guard. This
took place last night. <... four hours? ParaGuard
has a toxic component> Since I opened the bag and first looked
at him, he has been breathing very heavily and bobbing in a vertical
position, head down. <Did you match the pH of the drip water
with that in the shipping bag?> The vendor assured me that the
fish is merely in shock from the stress of shipping and that he
would calm down. <Something to hope for> I don't believe
that; I have seen this sort of thing happen before and an shocked
fish usually comes around within 12 hours. This fish has been
in the tank now for over 24 hours and has shown no signs whatsoever
of improvement. <No quarantine?> He continues to breathe
at give or take 170 gill movements/minute, and bob head down,
<Very bad signs> usually at the top of the tank but will
occasionally move down some. The current seems to toss him
around and when it gets him completely upside down he rights himself
only to resume his vertical position. He is refusing food. He is
sharing the QT system with an Assasi Trigger (separated by eggcrate,
of course) who is eating fine and seems to be in perfect health.
<Oh! Good> I am worried that I am dealing with disease, possibly
the early stages of Marine Velvet. <Mmm, not likely> The
fish has shown no physical signs other than what I described though;
no spots, no off colors, no scratching. I don't want to dip him
if unnecessary as I don't want to stress the fish any further. I
have not seen any feces to know if internal bacterial may be to
blame. What action would you recommend, if any?
Thanks in advance, Dave <Is a bit late, but to have matched
the pH... Please see here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/acclimat.htm Particularly the
Guerilla piece below... This is highly likely the root cause of
trouble here... shock, hemolysis from pH shift, endogenous
ammonia... perhaps with a Malachite burn to boot:
http://seachem.com/products/product_pages/ParaGuard.html ...
I would try to stabilize this animal, leave the lights off... and
add a pentose or hexose sugar as proscribed on WWM. Bob Fenner>
Re: Emperor Angel, Breathing and Vertical - 5/11/06
Bob, <Dave> Thanks for your quick reply. I might not have
been completely clear in my message, but wanted to address your
concerns to clarify if I had done something wrong.
<Let's do... am a bit blurry from travel/ing> Unfortunately, the
fish died overnight. I am working with the vendor. However, I
think it prudent to do a "post-mortem" on my acclimation procedure
to make sure I did what I should have done. <Good
idea> First, I acclimated over four hours, but only introduced
Para Guard during the last hour of the acclimation. I followed the
directions on the bottle to the letter. <Mmm, am
still (as you will find... from long practice) not a fan of using
Malachite... the principal ingredient, other than "aldehydes" in
this fine SeaChem product... in dips for newly arrived marine
fishes> Second, the drip water was from the quarantine tank
which had in turn come from the main tank, which was already at
8.3. You are correct in assuming that I did not test the PH of
the bag water and match it to the tank water. <You will find as
well that this is an incredibly important step in moving marines
around in "long time" conditions... bringing livestock from one
system quickly (let's say an hour or so) from/to another is a very
different matter> I have never performed that step, but after
perusing the acclimation guide (quickly) it looks like you are
talking about a FW dip. <Mmm, no... this is a different
concept/idea... protocol> That is not a step I performed. I
acclimated him to the QT tank's seawater. Third, the
fish exhibited this behavior even before I removed him from the
bag. Nothing changed about his behavior at any time, what I saw
when I peered into the bag even before cutting it open is what I
described, ergo he did not take on this behavior during the
procedure, but rather he arrived this way. <Yes...
not unusual for marine angels, most marine fish groups to exhibit
this sort of behavior... indicative of "shipping stress"... low pH,
coupled with low dissolved oxygen, likely high CO2/carbonic acid
concentration...> Fourth, when I say the fish has been in the
tank for 24 hours I mean the quarantine tank, but I think you
realized that further on in my message. <Yes> Given these
clarifications, would you still say something was wrong with the way
I did things, or was the fish doomed from the start?
Thanks again for your help so far! Dave <Mmm, a
matter of speculation/s and a few possible inputs, but if you had a
hundred, a thousand such fishes to process, you'd find that using
Methylene Blue, eschewing the use of Malachite Green, and especially
adjusting/matching the shipping water pH to the acclimation/dip
water would save a significant number of animals... this has become
an "industry practice" of high regard... largely due to the efforts
of Phil Shane/Quality Marine and the fine folks at TMC in the UK...
to give credit where it's due. Bob Fenner> |
Poisoned Jawfish/Poor Method Of Acclimation? 9/27/06
Hi Everyone, <Hello Caitlyn> Recently I purchased a pearly
Jawfish online. When he arrived today in the mail he was in a tiny
amount of water and looked near dead. I acclimated him anyways but
decided the fish would have the greatest chance for survival if I didn't
put it into a bare bottomed QT tank so instead I put him right into the
display as the only fish. The Jawfish is in an established 12 gal nano
cube with a 20 gal sump, protein skimmer, four inch sandbed, live rock,
with WQ as follows: temp. 78F sal. 35ppt Ammonia-0
nitrites-0 nitrates-0 pH-8.3 Here's the deal, when I
released it into the tank it was breathing heavily, had dark lines
around its gills and a badly burned tail. It spiraled, did the "death
roll", laid upside down and gasped for about four hours. It then settled
in a rock cave breathing normally right side up. Now twelve hours later
it is able to scoot around the tank sand similar to a goby but still no
tunnel building or hovering. I have heard that ammonia poisoning can
cause damage to the central nervous system. Is it likely this Jawfish
will act normally ever or did the shipping damage him for good?
<Shippers generally will not feed fish 24 hours prior to shipping to
minimize ammonia poisoning in the shipping container. Whether this was
done is anyone's guess. I'm thinking this behavior was due to a poor
method and/or too quick of an acclimation. Don't believe any permanent
damage was done. I'd keep the lights off until normal behavior is
noticed.> <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Thanks,
Re: Tesselata Eel When you say "not if sufficient aeration
added.." do you mean that I should add an airstone to the Eel's bag
while acclimating? <Yes> I heard once that this will peak ammonia
levels, certainly killing whatever is in the bag.. is this false ?
<Not totally false, but highly unlikely... aeration may raise pH and if
there is much ionized ammonia, convert it to a more toxic format... Best
to add something to the protocol here: Check the ammonia concentration
in the bag, if small (less than 0.25 ppm, to undetectable, add
aeration... if more than a quarter of a part per million, keep changing
out shipping water for new acclimation water till it is lower than 0.25
ppm and then add aeration...> Should I aerate the bag while adding
water? <Same criterion> Thanks again, I go to pick up the new
eel in an hour. (Hope you're near the pc, :) I'll acclimate it
without aeration until I hear from you.. and will ask LFS if it is a
good idea, perhaps they know. Bill Hammond <They should. Be
chatting. Bob Fenner> Touchy fish acclimation and feeding
Howdy Bob! <Howdy, Chief! Anthony Calfo in your service while Bob
sits in a corner trying to crack brazil nuts open with his forehead>
Because of all your good counsel and website information, my personal
contacts are at least dwindling in their frequency. Thanks again, and
I hope you will help me with a two-part question. < I shall do my
best> Because my local LFS is dealing with some water-quality issues,
and I still have a backlog of pre-paid fish coming in, I have taken to
having them notify me ahead of their arrival (via air freight), and I go
right down when they get them in, and bring them home. Naturally, this
isn't as nice as if they had been living and eating there at the LFS for
a period of time, but it is my present reality. <we do the best we
can with what we can> Anyway, I carefully follow your guerilla guide
to acclimation of my new arrivals, but it is my impression that by the
time I remove them from their
"combo-freshwater-shipping-water-with-blue-green- additives" mix, they
appear more sluggish and 'wiped-out' than the ones from the same batch
who go through an 'LFS standard' acclimation (of gradually adding tank
water into their bags and then releasing). Watching my fish in their
cat-litter-box they just seem to sit and sometimes their back end curls
around a bit towards the front. I don't want to stress them further, so
I don't poke & prod, and usually, after about 5 to 7 minutes, I gently
transfer them to my lights-out acclimation tank. Sometimes they speed
away when I put them in, sometimes they just seem to barely sink to the
bottom, and hang out. <quite natural> So, part 1 of my question is
this: Is this normal for a fish going through this kind of dip /
acclimation treatment, and (just for reassurance) is it still better
because of the reduced risk of disease than just mixing waters and
releasing? <indeed...cannot mix waters> Part 2. In last night's
delivery, I received a male/female pair of purple queen Anthias (they
didn't have Lyretail). I know they are much more touchy fish, but they
were beautiful looking <Arggghhh... not the best reason when
unprepared> and I had spoken to someone who had had three in a very
small and simple reef for a long while <more than a year and still
fat at that time?> , so I decided to give it a shot. They are still
sitting on the bottom of the acclimation tank, breathing OK, and
watching with their eyes, but not real motivated to eat. I am going to
try "first flake", <I'll eat your hat if they eat flake for you..
hehe. Need meaty food...may even have to resort to live> and Mysis
shrimp, but wondered if you had any good ideas about how to tempt one of
these pretties into eating? <frozen mysids and Pacifica plankton are
good whole foods in the long run...a good specialized homemade recipe
like in Bob's CMA will be better. In the meantime, try gut loaded live
guppies or ghost shrimp if the fish are large enough, or enriched live
brine (Selcon) if still small> Thank you so much for your help.
Sincerely, Jim Raub <keep us posted please. with kind regards,
Anthony>
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