Chemi-Pure Sucks... I
Think????? – 04/01/08
I Recently put a bag of Chemi-Pure in my 46 gal bowfront tank thinking it
was gonna help.
<<Help what?>>
Not 24 hours later mushroom corals melting and flame angel is short on breath.
<<…?>>
Pretty sure he’s gonna die. Fungia is no longer extending tentacles and my
seahare doesn't look like it’s doing to good either. I guess the real question
is.. by me changing out regular carbon and adding Chemi-Pure, the amount
suggested by the bottle, I was wondering if the addition of too much carbon or
whatever Chemi-Pure has is what made this happen??????????
<<Not typically, no…especially if you followed the manufacturer’s instructions.
If indeed the Chemi-Pure is at fault here, it’s hard to say what may have caused
this reaction as you have provided no information re water chemistry/tank
conditions, before and after applying the Chemi-Pure. This is a good and well
thought of product, but do remove it and see if things improve. I suppose
there’s always the possibility of some type of contamination…though I suspect
there are other factors at play here. Regards, EricR>> <More likely
the Seahare itself is the cause of issues here. RMF>
Chemi Pure Question 1/22/08
Hello Wet Web Media crew,
<Hi Danny>
Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer a quick question of mine. I just
made the switch in my 75 gallon saltwater FOWLR aquarium from Bio Chem Zorb to
Chemi Pure. I always changed the Bio Chem Zorb once a month, but the
manufacturer of Chemi Pure suggests it only needs to be replaced every 4-6
months. I'm a bit suspicious of this, and I certainly don't ascribe to their
claim that it eliminates the need for future water changes. I still plan to do
my 20% water changes every two weeks. What I would like to know is how often you
suggest that I replace the bag of Chemi Pure in my canister filter? Would this
recommendation be equally applicable for both fish-only tanks and reefs?
<Danny, this hype is all going to depend on fish load and tank/filter
maintenance. I use this product and I change the media about every four months.
My tank is lightly stocked and during water changes I do vacuum the coral sand.
The use of a protein skimmer will also increase the time between Chemi Pure
changes.
You also mention "replace the bag of Chemi Pure". In your size tank, two units
of Chemi Pure are suggested for optimal water quality.>
Thank you very much!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Best regards,
Danny
Please Advise, Chemipure SW
use or not 12/9/07
Just checking the following set up is ok. I have a fish only 1000L tank with
sump filtration. The skimmer being used is a Deltec AP-701. The outlet of this
skimmer is directed into the last compartment of the sump, along with the main
return pump. Along with the skimmer I am using a Sander C200 and a Pin Point ORP
controller. I also have an Eheim canister that contains 10 units of Chemi-Pure,
the inlet and outlet hoses are also placed in the last compartment of the sump.
<Mmm, I'd move the intake to a more anterior compartment>
I change the carbon out at around 6 months as I have a low bio load.
<And likely label some how the Chemi-pure bags... and switch out two oldest for
new every month...>
Do you think that the carbon will expire fast due to the use of the ozone.
<Mmm, no>
Was thinking of removing the Eheim and only using the ozone, or would you
recommend to continue using the Chemi-Pure?.
<Well... depends... on what you are hoping to "get" by its use... and if you
sense you're "getting it"... Likely the Carbon plus resin product is improving
water clarity, removing some undesirable materials... but "enough" to satisfy
you? The Eheim is likely "no fun" to service... You could leave off with its use
and see if there is a difference... Bob Fenner>
Regards
Alan
Recharging Chemi-Pure? –
11/25/07
Hello all,
<<Morning Whit>>
Thanks in advance for your help.
<<A pleasure>>
I was wondering if there is any way to recharge Chemi-Pure?
<<Not that I am aware>>
I have looked and looked, but can’t find any information.
<<This product is a combination of carbon and an ion-exchange resin. It’s not
possible/practical/economical for the hobbyist to regenerate carbon (requires
considerable investment in a multiple-hearth furnace capable of generating
temperatures of 800 °C)…and while it “is” possible to regenerate the
ion-exchange resin (generally an overnight soak in a bleach solution), the
effort required to separate the tiny resin beads from the carbon will likely
prove to be non-worthwhile>>
Also, what are your thoughts regarding original Chemi-Pure, and the new
Chemi-Pure Elite.
<<I think the original Chemi-Pure is great stuff…the efficacy of the new “Elite”
version with the added iron-based phosphate remover remains to be seen>>
Is the Elite worth the cost difference?
<<At almost twice the price with a 17% increase in volume (10oz vs. 11.74oz) I’m
inclined to stick with the original, and purchase an iron-based phosphate
remover separately to be run/maintained in a separate reactor>>
Thanks!
Whit
<<Glad to assist. EricR>>
Cleaning Carbon
Hi Bob,
<Richard>
Maybe a silly question.....but do you have any tips on how to clean dusty carbon
before putting it in the sump? I have some Kent Reef Carbon I would like to use,
but always find that no matter how many times I dunk it in a container of RO/DI
water....the carbon releases black junk. I am afraid to use it since I do not
want the dust to enter my tank. I have put the Kent Reef Carbon on the shelf and
am using Aquarium Systems Black Diamond carbon. Less dusty.
Thanks
Rich Maurin
<Not silly, or... at least we're about the same silly... I rinse new, dusty
carbon (and other filter media) in either the "Dacron" bags it comes
in or I put it in, or just in a net (in the sink with running freshwater) ahead
of placing it. Bob Fenner>
- Calcium Addition Questions and More -
Dear WWM,
I recently purchased the 2 part B-Ionic solution (1 gal. ea.) additive for my
240 gallon saltwater system. I have over 200lbs. of Fiji rock mixed with a
smaller amount of Tonga branch live rock. <Very nice.> I have a few soft
corals growing on the rock although my tank is intended for fish only with live
rock. For filtration I run an oversized trickle filter (no bio-balls) with
standard foam media pads that are cleaned twice weekly, separate sump with deep
sand bed & more live rock. Instant Ocean salt mix is used and my current
readings are:
Specific Gravity: 1.026 using refractometer
kH: 10.2 Salifert test
Alk: 3.66 Salifert test
Calcium: 320 Salifert test
pH: 8.0 Sea Test
My question is, with my hardness and alkalinity pretty much within range, should
I just use the # 2 portion only? <No... is a balanced formula and both parts
should be added - just reduce your dose by 10 mg or so and go into maintenance
mode.> My pH is a little low as far as I can tell, so how do I raise pH and
calcium without raising the carbonate hardness and alkalinity with this product?
<Hmm... I'd be looking for reasons for the pH to be low - perhaps measure
more than once in a day - even in systems this large, the pH will shift from
high to low over the course of the day. Certainly, with your alkalinity in the
useful range, you shouldn't be having pH problems per se. Perhaps it is time to
add an algae sump and light opposite of your tank lighting - to balance out
pH.> In the future, can I just purchase the # 2 formula only to keep calcium
levels higher within the 400 - 450 range? <No. Would not do this and would
use Kalkwasser in this case, if all you want to do is maintain calcium - would
also help bring up the pH a little, mixed Kalkwasser being around a pH of
12.> My local fish supply store only sells it as a 2 part formula together.
It would seem that using Instant Ocean keeps desired levels of kH & Alk. in
check but not Calcium & pH. <Could be your source water is dragging down
the buffers in the salt - all other things being equal, IO salt is very
consistent, including bringing the pH to 8.4 unless your water is acidic. You
might want to test there, perhaps buffer before you add the salt.> By the
way, the readings above were taken 1 day after a 20% water change which is
performed once every two weeks. Interestingly enough, these are the same
readings I got 1 day before doing the water change on my tank. I am interested
in adding more calcium to my system to help the purple coralline algae
re-generate growing on my rock. <Don't go too crazy - the coralline will come
along on its own and in the meanwhile you'll spend a fortune in calcium
supplements. A little bit of moderation will go a long way.> I posed this
question to the folks over at ESV a week ago and they haven't responded, so I
have not added either formula yet.
Also, I recently received and added six 10 ounce units of Boyd's Chemi - Pure
from Doctor's Foster & Smith that I laid flat on the egg crate shelf below
the trickle plate in my wet/dry filter. As the directions tell you to do, I
rinsed each of the bags lightly after removing them from the plastic jar while
moving the media around in the bag until the amount of dust appeared to tail off
under the faucet water. Well, I must have got an extremely dusty lot because
even after rinsing these six bags for several minutes each, they still gave off
enough dust to make my water turn light grey and 3 days later I am still rinsing
my filter pads that turn absolutely black after just a day! Is this normal?
<Not in my experience.> The poor sponges growing in my sump and wet/dry
have become covered in this junk and I have attempted to blow them off with a
turkey baster as best I can without dislodging them. <This dust will move on
its own.> Luckily, my fish and soft corals don't seem to be affected by the
minute dust particles at this point. I remember using this stuff years ago and
don't remember it being this dirty. Last night I took them all out and re-rinsed
them all and they gave off so much black dust it was like they never were rinsed
at all! <Perhaps old inventory - would contact Boyd's directly.>
Obviously, I will do a more thorough job next time, but would the fact that the
package they came in sat out in 25°F weather for a day effect them in a
negative way that would make them give off dust, or I just got the bottom of the
barrel mix? <Do believe the latter.> It's the only 2 possible reasons I
can think of.
Thanks!
Joel
<Cheers, J -- >
Activated Carbon question 6/14/04
Good morning crew,
I bought some Activated Carbon through an e-retailer
for my saltwater tank made by Eheim called EHFIKARBON.
When I received the shipment, the packaging said for
freshwater tanks only. I thought activated carbon was
activated carbon. What makes some good for use in
salt/freshwater and others for only fresh?
<hmmm... I'm sure it is "safe" for saltwater... instead, likely just rinsed in
phosphoric acid like most carbon and as such is not as ideal for saltwater
aquariums with algae that can flare with excess sources of phosphorous as a
nutrient>
I bought a pretty large quantity (Doh!), what would be the harm
to my saltwater tank to use this brand/type? Thanks, Scott
<I'm sure it is fine my friend... there are so many other ways to import
phosphate in to your tank (not the least of which - food!), you were never free
from the need to address phosphate in your marine tank. You may even have it in
your tap water and will need/want a phosphate chemical media (pad/sponge/resin)
anyway. No worries... just keep an eye on it. Any carbon used has far greater
benefits than this minor concern of phosphate. Anthony>
Marineland's black diamond carbon
<hello guys,>
Hi Antonio, this is Jorie.
<Is there someone from WetWebMedia who has used or is very familiar with
Marineland's black diamond carbon?>
I've used the product and think it works quite well, but it is NOT a miracle
"cure-all" or substitute for regular water changes and general good husbandry.
<I have been researching on the net. and even in Marineland's webpage.....but
there are no specific statement that they will remove ammonia and etc.>
OK, now you're addressing the lawyer-to-be in me - they are quite smart not to
make such a claim. Truly the only way to remove unwanted toxins is water
changes, and lots of them.
<I already tried emailing Marineland....but no response :(>
Well, that's not good...they should respond. How long has it been? I'm sure
they get tons of e-mails, so do try to be patient...
<my questions are:
1.) will this activated carbon neutralize/remove the following:
- ammonia
- nitrates
- chlorine
- chloramines
- nitrite
- heavy metals found in tap water
2.) what others "deadly stuff" for fish...can this product remove?>
Ammonia, nitrite and nitrates are best removed by water changes - I can't stress
this enough. As for minerals found in tap water, chlorine, etc. your best bet
is to go with a de-ionized (DI) or reverse osmosis (RO), or combination thereof,
unit. The other type of filter I like to run is called a PolyFilter - it does a
great job of removing phosphates and other unwanted. But again, even that isn't
a substitute for water change!
<thanks so much!!!>
You are so welcome. Don't mean to sound like a broken record about the H20
change, but I can't stress the importance enough. I'd venture to say many, if
not most aquarium problems are in fact caused by poor water conditions, so keep
changing that water! Good luck.
<Sincerely,
Antonio>
Sincerely,
Jorie
Kent carbon, Phosphates and algae
Dear Sir's, I have had an algae problem since setting up my reef tank 8 months
ago, mainly hair algae (the usual I know). I think they call it hair
algae because when you get plagued with it you pull your hair out!<HA!!>
The tank is 250uk gallons and has around 120-130kg of live rock 3x 250watt 14k
metal halide lamps around 6 months old. I use Rowaphos continually. The
phosphate measures 0 with the new high accuracy Deltec test kit. Nitrate also
measures 0. I have used Kent reef carbon since setting up my
aquarium. I use instant ocean salt and have an AquaMedic 1000 calcium
reactor set to 6.7ph and about 2 drips per second effluent. Lots of water flow
with 2 Tunze 6100's, all top off through Kalkwasser stirrer with RO. Water
changes, about 7% per week.
Now, my question, sorry to rattle on....<No Problem.>
Just recently I decided to test the carbon for phosphates against the AquaMedic
brand. I put a few pellets of each make, 1 week old carbon into some RO water.
The Kent carbon went off the scale on the Deltec test kit to around 0.6ppm while
the AquaMedic tested around 0.2. I am concerned that this is fuelling my algae
bloom and I am not reading phosphate in the tank as the algae is utilizing it.
What do you think?<It absolutely could be the situation.> Does this sound
like it could be the problem?<Yep!!! Your testing methods was a good step to
take.> Any information will be of a great help....I looked under the
different carbon topics but couldn't find anything of this nature. Please let me
know if you would like anymore information. Kind regards, Lee
<Lee, There are carbons that contain phosphate in their molecular
structure. Is there any reason why you are running carbon in your
reef tank. If you have a sufficient protein skimmer then you won't
need to use carbon. I would also recommend testing for
silicates. They can cause algae blooms also. Remove the
carbon and physically remove the algae and see what happens. Good
Luck MikeB.>
Rinse That Carbon! - 11/25/05
Hi Again!
<<Howdy>>
Well I have finished my treatment with Cupramine and I am very happy with its
results. Now that I have basically done a 100 percent water change, added
Bio-Spira and carbon, here is my question.
<<shoot>>
Might be somewhat stupid.
<<Only if not asked.>>
I bought a small pre-bagged pouch of activated carbon (from Hagen, it's
AquaClear) and put it in the little Cascade filter but I realized that a lot of
carbon "Crumbs" and dust came into the tank. I siphoned out as much of it as I
could but I can't pin-point every spec. Does this dust have any adverse effect
on the fish?
<<Nothing to worry about mate...next time pre-rinse the carbon under the tap to
rinse away the dust.>>
Thanks so much!
-Jon
<<Regards, EricR>>
Re: From Stocking to Filtration Media 12/26/05
Thanks again for your expert input I am heeding your advice and removing the
copperband tomorrow and possibly more fish.
<Great to hear.>
I have an unrelated question and could not find the answer on your website.
<I’m here to help.>
I have just started a CPR refugium with Chaetomorpha and a Venturi skimmer
ran by a maxi-jet 1200. I have read a lot about the use of carbon filtration
such as ChemiPure being placed in a chamber after skimming and before the
return. I am new to the hobby and I am confused on the use of carbon
(ChemiPure) with the system I have. Can you please explain further and
advise if this is something I should pursue?
<Carbon is great for emergencies, such as “accidental’ pouring of unwanted
substances into the aquarium or to absorb chemicals from neighboring/warring
sessile invertebrates. However due tot he half-life of carbon its usefulness is
over in about 24 hours. So it’s great to have on hand but in a balanced mature
system, it’s quite unnecessary to continuously run carbon. Chemi-pure however is
not carbon; ChemiPure is a product made by BOYD enterprises that claims to be
made of an ionically charged generator/exchange unit that stabilizes pH as well
as act as a chemical absorption. I do not know the ingredients of this product
and have never used it myself and thus cannot encourage or discourage its use.
However I will say that personally I have never used any type of chemically
reactive media except the aforementioned carbon in emergencies. The only things
keeping my reef alive at the moment are live rock, copious amounts of
water-flow, an oversized skimmer and a large fishless/macroalgae refugium and of
course weekly/large water changes. For more personal opinions on Chemi-pure and
such products I would read through/join some chat forums, we have our own here
www.wetwebfotos.com/talk , very helpful folks there as well, tell them Adam sent
you.>
I look forward to your
response. Thanks
<You are welcome, Adam J.>
Re: Chemical media 12/2/05
Thank you so much for the quick reply. I appreciate the suggestion to use ChemiPure. I haven't used that for this particular application, but I will give it a try.
<<It's good stuff. So are PolyFilters (my favorite!).
MH>>
I may get a Magnum HOB at some point, but I will try the ChemiPure first.
Thank you again.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Which Carbon? – 11/05/06
Hey Eric,
<<Hi Ken>>
Hope to be done with the plumbing today. I decided to nix the idea of one pump
to the chiller and one to the tank from the sump. I'm just going with the one
BlueLine 55 and a ball valve and do everything inline. I have a question about
carbon. The ammonia level is zero and I have nitrites now.
<<All part of the nitrogen cycle process>>
I also have not done a water change yet. Is it ok to run carbon to make the
water crystal clear at this point?
<<You could, though pretty much a waste of material/money at this stage of the
process...but won't hurt if you wish to do so>>
Also with all of the new pipe and gluing etc I thought maybe it would be a good
idea.
<<No worries re the pipe/glue...but up to you mate>>
Only rock is in the tank now. If so, do you know any brands that are absolutely
phosphate and nitrate free?
<<Not really, no...regardless of marketing claims...but not a huge issue either,
in my opinion. Buy a quality carbon (I use Seachem carbon) and rinse this
thoroughly in freshwater (under the tap is fine) before use>>
Do you know if E.S.V. granular activated carbon is?
<<As good as most...will be fine>>
How much and for how long should I run the carbon, if I should be running it at
all.
<<A half-pound changed out weekly to start...changed out bi-weekly once the tank
is established>>
Lastly, when getting sand, should I get aragonite sand (if there is such a
thing)?
<<Yes...and there is "such a thing." It is not so readily available any more,
but the larger home centers use to carry a "Caribbean" play sand that was pure
aragonite. CaribSea also offers aragonite substrates...though horribly
expensive/over-priced>>
By the way, I am using a calcium reactor with CaribSea geothermal aragonite as
its media.
<<Probably fine, but you may want to experiment with media to find what works
best for your system>>
By the way, I hooked up my H&S skimmer yesterday. By last night it was pulling
out stuff.
<<Excellent>>
This morning even more. I'm not sure how much there is too pull out with a tank
of just rock at this point and the ammonia being zero.
<<Still "plenty" of organics to pull>>
I figure most of the die-off has to be done. (I hope I don't get my eye on one
of those 2 or 3 1260 pump model needle-wheel skimmers).
<<Equipment geek, eh…sure wish my Euro-Reef skimmer had Eheim pumps>>
By the way, thanks a lot for putting me in the direction of needle-wheel
skimmers. It was a major help to me.
<<My pleasure. Opinions vary...but for my money, needle-wheel is the way to
go. Eric Russell>>
Regards,
Ken