Flame Head Dottyback or Lyretail Dottyback. Hippolytid shrimp
comp. 9/17/09
I got a Flame Head Dottyback today, and it's a male, with the
fluorescent orange head, and it's gorgeous and in good shape, however,
the store told me he would be safe in my aquarium and when I went
online, I saw someone in a forum writing that they are aggressive toward
shrimp.
<Can be>
I have two fire shrimp and although they are fully grown, I am
concerned.
They are my favorite thing in the whole tank.
Is this rumor that they are tough on shrimp true? Can they kill my fire
shrimp?
<Can>
If so, how would you go about catching a Dottyback from a reef?
<Might require dismantling the rock... even draining the water down a
bit.
Use two nets... Bob Fenner>
Thank you in advance,
Renee
re: Flame Head Dottyback or Lyretail Dottyback 9/17/09
Hi Bob, thank you so much for the response.
<Welcome MT!/Renee>
I took a BBQ sauce bottle, cut the top off, inverted it and stuck it
into the rim and used it for a fish trap, filled with Mysis Shrimp and
Squid and within an hour, I had him. :)
<Ahh! Congrats!>
He is happy in his own area now lol.
Thanks so much,
Renee
<Thank you. BobF>
Orchid Dottyback, comp.
7/10/09
Hi Crew,
<Carter>
Quick stocking compatibility question today!
I was set on adding an Orchid Dottyback to a 75g reef tank when the time
was right (ie, stocking towards the end), but after reading some more,
I'm wondering if it might not be a wise idea to stay away from this
fella (because of aggressiveness). Do you think he'd be ok with the
following stocking list?:
ocellaris clown x2
yellow watchman goby
sixline wrasse
kole tang
purple firefish
Orchid Dottyback
Thanks so much for the input, and have a great day!
Carter
<In a seventy five gallon, shaped system, all should be fine... there
may well be some tussling with the sixline and firefish... but
tolerable. Bob Fenner>
Indigo Dottyback
Compatibility 5/15/2009
Hi.
<Hi Tyler>
I plan on getting a 28-gallon HQI NanoCube in Late June.
<Welcome to the hobby.>
I plan on using is it as a Coral Reef Set-Up. For Motile Invertebrates,
I was planning on 2-3 Cleaner Shrimp, <1 or 2 would be better.>
1 peppermint shrimp, <Not recommended - they are NOT reef safe.>
14 Hermit Crabs, <Fewer would be better>
14 Nassarius Snails. <Fewer would be better here as well.>
For fish, I was planning on
1 Court Jester Goby,
2 Tank-Raised Ocellaris Clownfish, <A 28 gallon is barely large enough
for one, I would not recommend for this setup.>
1 Royal Gramma. <Tank too small for a Gramma.>
<Read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/stocking1.htm >
I cam across the "Indigo Dottyback", which is my favorite color.
<Indigo Dottyback - A man made hybrid: Pseudochromidae fridmani x
Pseudochromidae sankeyi >
If I scratch the gramma, can I add 1 of these Beautiful *Tank-Raised*
Fish?
<With caution.>
I hear it eats motile invertebrates-is that true?
<They do eat worms, but should leave other invertebrates alone.>
Will it be too aggressive?
<Impossible to say, it depends on the fish, Dottybacks ARE more
aggressive than most.>
Could there be any other problems?
<again, impossible to say. Do read here as well as the linked files on
the top of the page: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm >
Thanks,
Tyler
Re: Indigo Dottyback
Compatibility 5/16/2009
<Hi Tyler>
Thanks so much for answering me quickly with my last question.
In response, I have changed up my list:
-2 Cleaner Shrimp
-1 pistol shrimp
-10 small hermit crabs
-10 Nassarius snails
-30lbs of live rock
-1 Court Jester Goby
-1 Indigo Dottyback
<Much better.>
Now my question is-(I don't mean to argue) but how is the tank too small
for a pair of clowns?
<They do get boisterous as they get older, can be aggressive towards
other tankmates. In a tank of this size, the victim has nowhere to
escape.>
I have met many people who successfully keep even *larger*Clownfish in
even *smaller* tanks. Do you mean I can't keep it in a community tank
this small?
<Many people have, I would not. Same analogy of you could have someone
live in your bathroom, but it would get very tight in time.>
Because most of the above people kept them alone, with just their mate.
Yet I have seen met people who keep them community in a standard 29
gallon.
Does the cubic shape make a difference? If so, would a pair of firefish
gobies be a better choice?
<Firefish would be better - do make sure they have enough sand to dig
into, and add them well before anything else so they can establish a
territory.>
Thanks,
<You're welcome>
Tyler
,Mike>
P.S.-I might have not seen it, but is this public? If not, see if you
can please make it public. If it is public already, can you tell me
where it is located on WWM?
<http://www.wetwebmedia.com/daily_faqs3.htm... Then moved to
Pseudochromid comp. FAQs... RMF >
Orchid Dottyback (Pseudochromis fridmani), comp. 6/25/08
Hey WWM
Crew.
I have been reading a ton of information on the Orchid
Dottyback (Pseudochromis fridmani) on your website. I saw one other
query on this but that was it so I am going to ask it as the other one
did not answer my question as well as I would have liked. Right now I
have a 50 gallon tank with a Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris),
a Yellow Clown Goby (Gobiodon okinawae), and a Scott's Fairy Wrasse
(Cirrhilabrus scottorum). My tank has around 15-20 pounds of Live Rock
and around 20 pounds of rock which is now probably live rock because it
has been seeded from the live rock. There are plenty of caves, and
crevices for all the fish to hide in. For my last addition to my tank I
would like to add a Orchid Dottyback (Pseudochromis fridmani), I am
wondering if this will work because of the Scott's Fairy Wrasse
(Cirrhilabrus scottorum) being a similar shape to the Orchid Dottyback
(Pseudochromis fridmani), there might be some fighting. Hope to hear
back from you guys soon!
Thanks.
<I do give you very good odds
of all these getting along in this setting. Bob Fenner>
Ongoing Flame Angel problems... iatrogenic 8/3/07
Hi WWM crew!
You've been a most invaluable resource for me for several years now and
I have tried to refrain from bothering you on this one, but I am at the
end of my rope here. I know you're going to fuss at me but I'm ready to
take it. I've searched your FAQ's for answers and have an idea but I
don't want to do anything to make this situation worse. I have a 39
gallon
<Too small for this species>
FOWLR, one huge feather duster
that came with LR purchased about 3 years ago, 2 turbo snails, 1 yellow
tail blue damsel, 1 percula clown and a bicolor Dottyback.
<Likely a
problematical mis-mix here>
I purchased a flame angel on June 23rd,
and he/she/it came down with Popeye after 3 weeks. I assumed (I know, I
know) it was an injury because it was only one eye but I panicked and
got some blue medicine
<?>
from my fish store and treated it for
an hour for 3 consecutive days in a (sorry) 2 gallon bucket of water
from the main tank. The guy at the store checked my water and determined
that it was fine. He didn't have the medicine to sell me but gave me
some from their stash in the back of the store. So I'm not sure what it
was but Anyway, it cleared up for about 2 weeks, and guess what it came
back, popped and left again and now is back with a vengeance in both
eyes.
<Something amiss with the environment... too small, the
Dottyback...>
I fear this angel is a goner. It hasn't eaten anything
for 2 days now. I have been feeding a combination of flake and frozen
with VitaChem drops added, have been doing 4 gallon water changes every
week. ( I went on vacation changed the water before I left but I'm sure
my niece over fed them so I changed it again when I got home) I was
wondering about getting Furazdidone/Nitrofurazone comb. and get her in
some type of quarantine and treat her. Marina (?) in one of her answers
suggested a new plastic tub with a sponge filter and heater to use as an
emergency. Yes, the next 60.00 I spend will be on a quarantine tank you
can believe that. I guess you guys get sick of giving advice and people
not taking it huh?
<At times...>
If this angel dies I'm giving up
school nursing and moving to Fiji.
<Oh! See you t/here. Bula!>
Thank you in advance,
Sue
<Please read on WWM re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/popeyefaqs.htm
and the linked files above.
This fish should be moved to more suitable quarters... sans the
Pseudochromid. Bob Fenner>
Re: Flame... Angel demise 8/4/07
Thanks Bob for responding.
Unfortunately, my beautiful flame angel died and I feel terrible about
it. I was wondering what size tank is suitable for them, and if keeping
a Dottyback in the same tank is advisable.
<Posted and not if the
system isn't large enough...>
I didn't think that Dottyback was the
culprit but looking back it did get near and hang around the angel a
lot. The clown is about the same size as the angel was and didn't take
kindly the angel hanging in her corner. There are only 3 fish in my tank
and I thought there was enough room.
<Ah, no>
I've learned a hard
lesson. Crying hasn't helped. Do you think they need any school nurses
in Fiji?
<Oh yes... and Hawai'i, and most everywhere else!>
Thanks
for your help in all. You guys are wonderful.
Sue
<Please read
here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/Centropyge/loricula.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Nassarius vs. Predators; Nassarius snail ID? Pseudochromid comp. -
7/31/07
Hello Crew!
<Hi David!>
Thanks in advance for
addressing this question this evening.
<Happy to!>
I visited my
LFS today and observed a tank full of Nassarius spp. snails being sold
as 'Cinnamon Roll Nassarius,'<?> presumably due to their size and
coloration. These were quite colorful and at least an inch in diameter,
maybe 1 ¼ inch (they do somewhat resemble a cinnamon roll so what's not
to like?).
<Indeed, who doesn’t love a good cinnamon roll?
Unfortunately, I’ve never heard of these snails, nor seen any Nassarius
with that shape/size. Snails in the genus Nassarius, generally look like
this: http://www.seashell-collector.com/beginners/NASSARIIDAE.jpg>
I
am familiar with the Nassarius as a reef safe invertebrate that is used
primarily as a scavenger of detritus, leftover food bits, and such, and
a sand bed stirrer/sifter. <Yep, love those Nassarius vibex!> I have
kept Turbo, and Astrea, snails with success but never the Nassarius.
<They make a nice addition to the right tank>.
I have heard/read
that natural predators of the Nassarius snails may be hermit crabs and,
of course, large snail eating fishes like some triggers. <Yes> In this
respect, these snails would be safe in my tank as I do not maintain
hermit crabs or triggers. <Good> However, I have one emerald crab
(Mithrax sculptus) that I have housed in this 46 gal. FOWLR tank for
many years with no apparent problems.
<Good to hear. I’ve had mixed
luck with these guys. Hopefully, yours will keep his little green claws
to himself and away from any future snails you acquire! Keeping him well
fed will help.>
My other livestock consists of a smaller One-spot
Rabbitfish, a Tomato Clown, an Azure Damsel, and a Yellow Dottyback.
There are currently no other inverts. I would like to acquire 3 or 4 of
these large Nassarius snails for this tank, beginning with a very low
stocking ratio in order to determine their suitability in the system as
a whole and to ensure they do not rapidly deplete their food supply.
<Good thinking when it comes to stocking> The sand bed is entirely
appropriate for this species - deep sugar sand bed of at least 3".
<I’m concerned that we really don’t know what species this is,
therefore, we don't know its needs.>
My question is, do you see the
Emerald crab as a threat to the snails? <It’s possible, crabs are always
a risk.> How about the Dottyback? <It’s possible as well.> Are they
prone to picking on inverts that are introduced after them, as they are
with fishes?
<Yep, they’re quite the little pickers. I’ve heard of
them nipping off snail antennae, etc.>
And, do you see any other
problems with their inclusion that I may not foresee?
<I’d recommend
finding out exactly what type of snail those are before purchasing. It's
imperative to know a potential addition's diet, care, how large it gets,
compatibility issues, etc, before bringing it home. These two sites are
good places to start the ID process:
http://www.seashell-collector.com/beginners/family_id.htm
http://shell.kwansei.ac.jp/~shell/pic_book/shape.html>
Thanks again
for your valuable insight.
<You’re very welcome and good luck! –Lynn>
David A. Bell
Re: Nassarius snails? Dottyback aggression - 7/31/07
Hello WWM
Crew!
<Hello there, David! Lynn here again, ready to talk snails!>
The message is in response specifically to Lynn, who gave initial reply
to my question yesterday, but if not available maybe the word could be
passed on. Never the less it may be an interesting story and useful to
other readers. Thanks.
This is a follow-up concerning the
compatibility of Nassarius Snails to my current inhabitant list of a
Foxface Rabbitfish (Siganus [Lo] vulpinus), Tomato Clown (Amphiprion
frenatus), Azure Damsel (Amblyglyphidodon azurelineatus), Yellow
Dottyback (Pseudochromis fuscus), and an Emerald Crab (Mithrax
sculptus). The habitat is a 46 gal. bow, FOWLR with about 3-4" of sugar
sand and 50 lbs. of live rock with no other inverts at the moment.
I
read everything I could find on WWM and several other sources concerning
the Nassarius genus and possible predators of these snails. As I stated
yesterday, hermits and large snail-eating fishes, like Triggers, were
the only commonly mentioned suspects cited as potential problems. My
only concerns at this point then were the Emerald Crab and the
Dottyback; however, the sources said that Dottybacks may not be trusted
with small inverts. Given their size, I went ahead and purchased 3 of
these snails this morning (of which there are issues concerning their
actual taxonomic placement in the genus, by the way, as these are large
for Nassarius, about the size of a silver dollar, being sold under the
common name of a Cinnamon Roll Nassarius - perhaps Tongan in origin?
<Hmmm, I’ve seen something called a “Super Tongan” Nassarius (Nassarius
distortus) offered online. They get up to about an inch, but they don’t
look remotely like a cinnamon roll! LOL When I think of a cinnamon roll,
I think of something short/round/squat (Heee, like I would look if I ate
too many!). I’ve never seen a pointed/cone-shaped one but hey, it could
happen!>
They weren't around long enough to take a picture. I'll
work on sharing that the first chance I get. <Please do, that would be
super. By the way, I’ve got another link for you to explore (see the
purple “Thumbnails” link on the right):
http://www.gastropods.com/Taxon_pages/Family_NASSARIIDAE_NASSARIINAE.html
>
Well, I need not have worried about the Emerald Crab as he never
got the chance to get close to the snails. The Dottyback went absolutely
berserk! He attempted to nip at the snail's flesh until they retreated
within their shells and then he continually rammed them with his
head.<Yep, that’s a Dottyback for you.> In the meantime they were able
to burrow into the sand, but even this did not deter the Dottyback as he
hovered over the sandbed in an antagonistic manner, ready to pounce upon
their return. <They’re nothing if not persistent, huh?> The snails were
in the tank no longer than a couple of minutes before I removed them to
their transfer bag, seeing no hope in the relationship "righting"
itself. <Agreed> However....enter the Tomato Clown. Despite the
Dottyback's severe aggressive tendencies - having already killed a
Falco's Hawkfish - <Yikes!> the Tomato Clown, a five-year resident, is
undisputed Tank Boss. <You’ve just got to love that about a Tomato
clown. It takes a lot to intimidate one!> During this aggressive
display, the Clown eagerly threw himself between the Dottyback and the
snails, practically shoving the Dottyback back into the rockwork. This
was indeed interesting to watch! - a Clownfish seemingly protecting the
new kids by trying to keep this terror of a fish at bay. <Interesting>
Well, the story ended well as I took the snails back to the LFS where
they are on hold for me to pick back up pending some "environmental
modifications." <Ideally, you’d quarantine those snails before putting
them in the tank.> In fact, the Store Owner has also agreed to accept
the Dottyback in swap for someone less volatile. <Yay!> This particular
killer needs to be placed with Triggers, large Angels, and the like.
He's not quite big enough for me to eat. <Heee!> The moral to this story
is a simple one....what you hear and read about Pseudochromis spp. Is
not only most likely true, they may negatively EXCEED expectations. At
this point, I would have no idea how aggressive or defensively capable
another animal must be in order to be introduced with this fish in
residence.
Regards, from
David A. Bell
<Thank you for sharing
this with us! -Lynn>
Re: Nassarius snails? Dottyback
aggression – 7/31/07
Hello Lynn. (No need to publish)
<Hi
David!>
I just wanted to say "thanks" for the Nassarius picture,
<You're very welcome> and the answer is definitely "yes," the so-called
Nassarius that I described in yesterday's post match the picture....but
the ones I found are large, around 1 1/4 ".
<Yikes, that’s huge
compared to the typical Nassarius snails I usually see! I’ll be looking
forward to seeing some photos of these guys. If it’s at all possible,
please try to get a shot from the top, or side, as well as one from
underneath (so you can see the aperture/opening). That last view can
make all the difference in the world when it comes to identifying. Until
then, take care! - Lynn>
David Bell
Hawkfish Vs. Dottyback
5/30/07
Hello again WWM Crew. Specifically to Scott, if
available.
<Scott here, Captain (Man...I wanted to say that!)>
This is sort of a continuation of a previous question regarding the
system described in my last communication (below). This aspect of the
question involves the interaction between a Cirrhitichthys aprinus and a
Pseudochromis fuscus in that system.
<Sounds like an interesting mix>
This weekend I added a 2.5" Spotted Hawkfish to my 55 gallon live rock
system (75 lbs.). Inhabitants: a 3" One spot Rabbit, a 5-year old Tomato
Clown, Azure Damsel and a Dusky Dottyback. Since all of these species
can pretty much hold their own, I made the addition knowing that the
Hawks likewise have that same reputation for defending themselves and
displaying some innate aggressiveness, in particular the "Spotted" Hawk,
especially as he gets older.
<Agreed, mine became downright
unsociable in his old age.>
However, the problem is with the
Dottyback, who after only a week in the tank himself (and getting along
fine with all others) is harassing the Hawk. This activity was pretty
intense on day 1 and may have lessened a bit by day 2. The Dottyback and
the Hawk are about the same size. The Dottyback's aggressiveness is not
constant, usually being maintained for about 5 - 10 seconds with frantic
chasing.
Then, the Hawk will find a perch at the top of the LR or on
a powerhead where he will find peace for long periods of time, never
entering the Dottyback's territory. The Hawk is eating as soon as food
hits the water and is grazing on the LR. He will continue to grow and
perhaps become
more formidable or imposing but will he begin to
assert himself soon or at least hold on until the Dottyback loses
interest?
<Good question. It's really hard to say. The P. fuscus is
one of the more "assertive" Dottybacks, and can be downright merciless
in its harassment of other fishes. In my experience, some Dottybacks
tend to take an almost "human-like" dislike to another fish, constantly
harassing it. Although the Hawkfish can be equally aggressive if
necessary, it tends to keep more to its own business. In the end, it's
really a matter of the individuals themselves...Fish will often not live
up to our expectations, demonstrating behaviors that seem contrary to
their "typical" mannerisms. Often, in more or less evenly matched
conflicts such as yours, the situation may sort itself out, with things
ultimately settling down as the fishes realize that they present no
threat to each other. I'd simply give the situation time and be prepared
to intervene if necessary, should one of the fishes be injured.>
As
always, I appreciate your thoughts and knowledge.
Regards, from
David A. Bell
<A pleasure! Sorry that I couldn't be more specific,
but these are rather unpredictable things! I hope that things sort
themselves out! Regards, Scott F.>
Re: Battling Hawks and Dottybacks: Follow-up.
Dottyback Horror Story 6/9/07
Scott, Bob, or today’s
distinguished Crewperson,
<Ya' got Scott F. back with you today!>
I reported the friction between my Yellow Dottyback and the latest
addition to my tank, a Falco’s Hawkfish, a few days ago. Here’s the not
so pleasant conclusion of that situation: What had appeared to be
lessening aggression from the Dottyback – periodic chasing of the Hawk
around the tank – finally resulted in the Hawk’s demise on the den
carpet.
<Yikes...Sorry to hear that.>
The Dottyback chased him
through a crevice in the top during the night, to be found as jerky on
the floor the next morning…..Aaargh! What makes the situation ever so
more
frustrating is that I was going to put a trap in the tank and
try to remove the Dottyback to another tank today. My LFS was even going
to trade a female Cortez Rainbow Wrasse for the Pseudochromis.
<Bummer...might have been a good exchange...>
When I placed these two
in the system, within a week of each other, I never dreamed this problem
would occur. The Dottyback had no such disposition amongst his other
mates – a five year old Tomato Clown, a smaller Foxface
Rabbit and an
Azure Damsel. The Hawk being the same size as the Pseudo- seemed like a
safe bet, especially considering a Hawks reputation as a tough fish.
With it to do over again, I would definitely go a little large on my
Hawk species, something larger than the Yellow Dottyback, Falco’s being
one
of the smallest of the clan.
David A. Bell
<Sorry to hear
of this unfortunate outcome, David. Sometimes, what seems like it should
work out fine just doesn't...The fish don't always seem to comply with
our behavioral expectations. Based on experience, one would have thought
that this combination should work. As you mentioned, of course, the
Hawkfish being the last addition to the system put it on the bottom of
the social order. The Dottyback, a known territorial fish, seemed to
take a particular dislike to the new comer. Sometimes there's just no
way of knowing until the fish get together in the aquarium just what the
outcome could be. Obviously, at this point you would be advised to
remove the Dottyback if you plan on adding any more new fishes into this
system. best of luck to you! Regards, Scott F.>
Stocking
question 72G FOWLR, Dotty comp. 2/16/07
You've all been a great help in the past - so thanks! I need some more
guidance. I've been doing research for a while and been getting
conflicting impressions on stocking my 72G FOWLR tank. I have a 3" sand
bed and about 120LB live rock. Tank has been established for four years
running with generally only minor issues. My plan is for most of the
current inhabitants to be given to a friend (long-nose butterfly, two
Banggai Cardinals) and plan on keeping two ocellaris clownfish. One
wild card is a sunrise Dottyback who patrols the bottom of my tank and
lives in his hole he dug in the back.
<I do like your descriptive
term>
I'd like to keep him, but have a couple concerns. First, can
you comment on what I am considering restocking the tank with?
<Sure>
I'm looking at keep the two clown fish, adding a Firefish, a
scissortail goby, and maybe two Carpenter's Flasher Wrasses.
<All good general aquarium choices... but as you state, the Dotty may
become trouble>
First, could I add these and keep the Dottyback (I
am concerned about his territoriality).
<Me too>
Second, will
the wrasses become a problem with the others, in particular the Firefish
and goby if I relocate the Dottyback?
<Not likely a problem with the
Labrid>
Thanks for all your help!!!!
Mike
<Welcome... and do
keep your eye on the Pseudochromid. Bob Fenner>
Hawkfish,
comp... Pseudochromis too 2/13/07
Good afternoon,
I have a problem with a Pseudochromis splendens.
<A very nice
species of Dottyback... quite often available as aquacultured
specimens...>
I purchased him for my 150 gallon reef tank (90 gallon
refugium, this tank is over 6 years old). My flame Hawkfish took a
sudden dislike to him and really tore him up (by his tail.)
<Yikes... can happen... esp. in small/ish volumes>
(I realize the
Hawkfish has this reputation but he has never bothered any other fish,
including a small royal Gramma and blackcap Basslet ,for years).
<Interesting... I, as you evidently would have guessed they'd get along
then...>
Anyway, the Pseudochromis went into my 24 gallon nano and
was medicated and healed up and guess what? Once he was feeling better,
he drove the little Longfin fairy wrasse and wheeler goby (or bumble bee
goby) into the overflow, because of course, it was his tank, now.
<Ah, yes>
So, I had to move him back into the 150 (my only other
tank is a Jawfish tank, and there is no way I am going to put him in
there.)
Of course the Hawkfish went right for him, but this time he
seems to be holding his own.
<Good... if it were at all
possible/practical, catching and holding out (in a floating trap,
plastic colander...) the Hawk for a few days here would really "even
them up" territoriality wise>
At least he has no wounds or torn fins
and seems to stay out of his way a little better. Is it safe--sounds
like that movie, Marathon Man, doesn't it
<Yikes... my teeth are
starting to ache...>
--is it safe to see how things will go, or
should I call it a day and remove him?
<I would default (am lazy) to
the former>
It has only been two days that the pseudo. has been
back, but I am worried. The Dottyback comes out to eat but he is very
cautious. The Hawkfish is not chasing him constantly, and only tries to
bite if he runs in to him but I think if he shows weakness, he will
really attack him. Interestingly, the pseudo. is large, almost 4 inches,
larger than the Hawkfish. I read all your responses about the terrors of
Dottybacks,
<Some species (e.g. steenei) and individuals much more
than others...>
and know this a mellow guy, relatively.
<Yes,
usually>
I suspect this is one of those no real answer things. I
suppose if he does adjust he could go after the Gramma and Basslet, but
they have been there forever and it is a bigger tank with lots of
rockwork and corals. I thought it was worth a try to get him, at least
initially. Also, you should know that I feed very well and small water
changes once a week, so I have a lot less aggression in the tank than
others I have read about.
Ah well, any guidance, advice would be
most welcome, Thank you so much for your site. It's wonderful.
--
Jeanne Brown
<If pushed came to proverbial shove... I might just try
the Dotty in with your Jaws... that or the "time out" trick stated
above. Bob Fenner>
Royal Dottyback... incomp. 1/26/07
Hey there my fishy friends,
<David>
Today I'm writing more for
the sake of providing observation as opposed to questions... because
after all, I find real life observations are great to learn from
too! Oh, and thanks so much for posting my tank picture and my
Snowflake Eel pictures on your site. Sampson the snowflake eel is alive
and well and seems to have called a Penn Plax Hollow Driftwood ornament
his home.
<Ah, good>
I'd like to make some observations about
the Royal Dottyback. I ended up with my critter a couple of years ago
because unknowingly thought it was a Royal Gramma and that's what the
staff at the store told me. I know better now.
I had a 90 gallon
saltwater tank with 90lbs of liverock, deep sandbed, protein skimming,
etc More importantly, my critters as follows:
4-5" fairly thick
Yellow Watchman Goby (this guys a giant of a goby, haven't seen any
bigger ones)
2 x 3.5" False Percula Clowns
Large Coral Banded
Shrimp
Variety of snails, crabs, stars....
The Dottyback was the
last fish introduced... and luckily it just sorta happened that way.
<Best... is the more territorial...>
I introduced a small 3" Regal
Tang after quarantine a few months after the Dottyback. The Dottyback
chased the tang all over the place.... The next morning, it was the
Dottyback laying on the sandbed with about a one inch gas across his
body. I figured him for dead, but scooped him into my quarantine tank
and left him. He recovered in about a week. I was really impressed at
his ability to heal given the size of the gash, he couldn't swim, and
his rapid breathing... but he pulled through.
When reintroduced, he
never bothered the Regal Tang again.
<Ah, yes>
Ultimately, I
made a dumb mistake with a buffering agent that eventually killed my
Regal Tang about 2yrs later *sigh*
With the loss of my Regal Tang, I
purchased a larger 4 - 5" Yellow Polynesian Tang (the one that mimics
the lemon peel angel). After quarantine was complete, I introduced the
Yellow Tang into the tank.
Over the next two days I observed the
Dottyback picking at the Tang's fins... but the Tang would immediately
chase the Dottyback. I figured the Tang would hold it's own... and if
the Dottyback was injured again or was killed by the Tang... so be it...
I mean if they lil critter can't learn his lesson....? Anyhow, day 4
I find the Yellow Tang with his body in tact... laying on the sandbed
with both eyes completely gone. The Tang was dead. Likely my
Dottyback?
<Mmm... Do see a more likely culprit from your list...
possibly the Coral Banded Shrimp>
Around the same time, got a great
deal on a beautiful Fire Shrimp. At $30 (regularly $45 Canadian), this
was likely the quickest and more expensive death I've had in my tank.
Following Bob's procedures of acclimation, I eventually added the
Fireshrimp with a net to this tank.
I tell you, the shrimp never
made it from the net to the sand bottom before he was tackled midwater
from my Dottyback. A quick dart in to rip out his insides.... And the
lifeless body of the shrimp hit the sand dead. I was in shock. A
further experiment with a $5 camel shrimp had a similar conclusion...
although he lasted about 30minutes. I've watched the Dottyback watch
and wait for hermit crabs to change shells or to even expose themselves
to walk and he's torn off legs. I've seen him tear of little antennae
from snails and from small fiddler crabs.
Another mistake I made,
adding a yellow-headed Jawfish. After quarantine, I added him at night
and watched him immediately attempt to create his borrow. At noon the
next day when my tank lights come on... both the Dottyback and my larger
clown were ripping apart a suspended Jawfish body midwater in my
tank. I had also had a suspicious Orange Diamond Shrimp Goby death...
actually this was the first fish death with the Dottyback in the
tank. The shrimp goby was an original fish of about 2yrs old... then
one day found him dried up beside my tank.
Perhaps chased outta the
tank?
<Maybe>
Anyhow, I've been working on a 200g fish only
predator tank. At this point, the tank includes my 14" Snowflake Moray
Eel, a 5" Foxface Rabbitfish, a 5" Yellow Hawaiian Tang, and a small
yellow-tailed blue damselfish. I'm working on converting the
aforementioned 90gallon to a reef tank with peaceful critters and
figured that my Dottyback might survive in the bigger tank. After
introducing him last night, now I am wondering if my larger critters are
going to survive the Dottyback.
<Place it last... after the other
livestock have been resident a month>
Both the Tang and the
Rabbitfish have been seen bolting across the tank from the Dottyback and
the Dottyback within minutes of introduction has been chasing the small
damselfish whenever he's in the vicinity. I think the Moray Eel freaked
the Dottyback out when they met face to face.... But I've already seen
the Dottyback dart at the Eel's face.
We're talking a 3" (at best)
Royal Dottyback vs. 14" Moray Eel. I had no idea. For anyone that's
reading... these guys are totally unpredictable and vicious little
guys. He even attacks my feeding stick, magnetic glass cleaner, fish
nets, etc. I'm hoping these guys can all get along.
One last note,
these guys will fit in the smallest of holes... I found him emerging
numerous times from a hole in the liverock about the size of my pink
fingertip. If you introduce him into a tank... be absolutely certain
that it is totally worth an hour to five hours to get him out... and
likely, a fish trap may have to be used. Probably the smallest/quickest
and most intelligent fish I've seen. I mean, it only takes me 30
seconds to catch my Clown Fish.
A most interesting fish indeed...
but what a terror!
Ok, so I had to throw in one question... do you
think the Moray Eel, Rabbitfish, or Large Yellow Tang are at risk of Mr
Dottyback?
Regards,
Dave Brynlund
<Again, maybe... I would
be prepared to remove this rogue... Unusual that this Pseudochromis
species (paccagnellae) be so aggressive... though there are others that
are more consistently territorial terrors... (e.g. steenei)... Bob
Fenner>
Dottyback comp. 11/16/06
Hi I have a 29 gallon
tank which has one Amphiprion ocellaris, Gobiodon okinawae, and a
Pseudochromis fridmani, and a cleaner shrimp and some turbo snails and 2
red legged hermit crabs. My Pseudochromis fridmani does not look good
he has some white spots near his head, but is not scratching.
<Might
be "nothing"... could very well be "stress markings" from negative
interaction with the Clown (crowded)... could be parasitic...>
He
has some white scraps on him where he is missing scales.
<Oh... am
going with the middle choice>
He is also breathing rapidly but when
he sees me looking he goes back into his rock cave. My ammonia is 0, ph
8.0 (a little low I know I am trying to buffer it up),
<I would
leave this as is... no worries... Much more likely problems with your
attempts at adjustment>
nitrate and nitrites are 0 also. There has
been no aggression from what I can tell amongst the three fish. Should
I move it to quarantine?
<If you have such, yes>
Please
advise. I have read Wet Web Media FAQ's about Dottybacks,. but do not
know what to do.
Thank you so much
P.S. I can set up a
quarantine if need be have one on stand by and I have had this Dottyback
for around 9 months now so I am really close to him!
<Mmm... I might
try (alternatively) isolating the Clown in a floating colander for a
week or so... even the Gobiodon in turn... I suspect aggression as a/the
root cause here. Bob Fenner>
Roommate for Fire-tail Devil
11/15/06
Good Morning Crew,
<A bit later here now>
I am a
recent owner of a Labracinus cyclophthalmus, "Fire-tail Devil".
<A
gorgeous species>
He/she is housed alone in a standard 48",
90-gallon tank with about 40-50 lbs of well seasoned live-rock and about
4-5" of oolithic sand.
He's about 3 1/2 inches long and very
active. Water parameters are all very good, and I aggressively skim and
filter. I was wondering about potential tank mates for this feisty
little bugger (he tries to fight my cat every day).
<Mmm, would
(have been) better to place this fish last...>
His home is well
established, he continues to rearranged an incredible amount of sand and
rock. My kids are lobbying for clown fish, so I thought maybe a maroon
clown (or 2?) could match this guy's pugnacious attitude. Your
thoughts?
<To give any other species a "fighting chance" I would net
out, keep the Pseudochromid in a floating colander for a week or so
while the new fish/es become accustomed to the surroundings...>
If
not, any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I would like
very hearty active tank mates if any. I have no future plans to for a
bigger tank
($$) so 90 gallons is all they get. Thanks for your
help!
<Good luck, life to you. Bob Fenner>
Re: Room-mate for
Fire-tail Devil 11/16/06
Thanks Bob,
I knew that
starting a tank with this Pseudochromid was far from ideal.
I
couldn't resist, this is the only "Fire-tail" I've ever seen up here
(Grand Forks, ND), and I didn't want to miss out. I may just house him
alone. It seems sometimes fish show their colors more vividly when
there is company/ competition.
<Yes, this is so>
Do you think
that he would benefit from
some company (dither, etc) or would he
just as well be left alone?
<Mmm... I would
try adding something fast, aware here (Perhaps a Tang or two)... as I
say/stated with the proviso that you be able, willing to catch out,
float/isolate the Dotty if it proves too agonistic. Bob Fenner>
Peppermint shrimp, anemone and Dottyback compatibility
10/2/06
Hello, back for my weekly question. Hope you are doing
well. I am sure there is a answer to my question somewhere on WWM, but
I am having trouble finding it. On my endless quest for a cure of
Aiptasia, I am thinking of purchasing 4 or 5 peppermint shrimp. My
question is, will the peppermint shrimp go after my bubble tip (huge) or
any of the LPS corals I have (yes, bad mix I know)?
<Likely so>
Lastly in your opinion would my blue flavivertex
Pseudochromis go after my peppermint shrimp?
<Maybe
if/during molting if there is insufficient cover>
If either of these
answers are yes, I can put the peppermint shrimp in my sump with some
Aiptasia covered rocks, right? Thanks, Ryan.
<Yes. Bob Fenner>
Lyretail/Steene's Dottyback comp. 9/4/06
I have a
35gallon tank w/ a female Pseudochromis steenei or also known as the
Lyretail Dottyback.
<Yikes... a gorgeous, but very aggressive
species!>
Her name is Morticia :)
<Good name here>
anyhow., I'm going to be upgrading to a larger tank - maybe a 100gal
(not sure yet). What I'm wanting to know is: 1) What will cohabitate
with my Dottyback? [right now I only have a black sea urchin &
chocolate chip starfish sharing the tank w/ no problems] 2) If there is
any other fish that can cohabitate what size tank should I get?
<"The bigger the better">
3) And what procedures should I follow to
make a safe change?
<Stock Morticia last...>
THANK YOU! It's
such a rare fish there's hardly any reading material other then what a
terror the fish is. I love it...it's the first fish I can hand feed. NO
FEAR for a little poot. :)
I couldn't find the Dottyback FAQ's again
after I got redirected to register. Sorry, I hope you don't mind me
emailing my question directly.
Terri Miller
Houston, Texas
<Mmm, we send all direct as well as posting. Whatever you settle on,
make sure it's at least as large, fast, smart... and place it/them
first. Bob Fenner>
Re: Lyretail/Steene's Dottyback 9/5/06
Thank You Bob for the quick response and on a holiday as well!!
<Thank you my friend>
Here's a hypothetical question - If by chance
I was able to acquire the male Lyretail what size tank you think I will
need?
<Mmm, to try breeding them? Perhaps a sixty gallon... with a
good separator!>
There's a story in Scott W. Michael book:
Basslets, Dottybacks & Hawkfishes about a pair residing @ a dive
site. I don't really think I'll find a male but you never know. I got
lucky getting the female; someone traded it in at our local Aquarium
World.
Most hobbyist probably think I'm crazy but I love how hard it
works digging it's tunnels and how it stares me down when she's
hungry. Ha-ha RESPECT!!
<Mutual am sure>
She's the MOST
easiest fish to keep in my opinion.
Okay back to my question. If I
can't find the male Lyretail is there another Dottyback that Morticia
will except as a mate.
<Uh, no>
Or is it totally impossible in a
home aquarium?
<Not impossible... see/read Martin Moe's book on his
work with Fridman's...>
If not another "mating" Dottyback what about
eels?? Is there any particular eel(s) that you would recommend?
<See WWM:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/moralselfaqs.htm>
Here's my dilemma;
I'm having my house remodeled and it'll give me the space for a large
aquarium. Morticia is VERY VERY hardy and I LOVE that fact but I would
also like to have more then one HARDY fish or eel maybe. If this was
your tank what would you do?
<Mmm... not have/try this Pseudochromid
actually>
My tank is strictly live rock and live sand. I haven't
had much luck w/ coral because (don't hate me) I do better with a low
maintenance tank.
<Me too>
My tank right now is only 37 gallons,
if I remember right, (I've had it around 9 years now) I took an Eclipse
and converted it into a saltwater tank. At the time I couldn't afford a
real saltwater tank but it has worked great!!!
THANK YOU again
Bob! I really really appreciate your assistance.
<All the Steene's
Dottybacks I've had occasion to read or visit re have been returned
(repeatedly) to stores for killing their tankmates... Bob Fenner>
Re: Lyretail Dottyback - 09/14/06
I got the male Lyretail
in the mail yesterday and it is only 1/2 the size of Morticia.
<Trouble>
I never guessed the male would be a juvi., but I'm
thinking this could be to my advantage if I can handle this right. The
Plexi glass separator is working keeping Morticia on her side but Gomez
(will be his name of course) is able to venture to the other side. It's
totally incredible because it appears Gomez actually knows which side is
his, only after 3 or 4 hours in the tank.
<Oh yes...>
I thought
it was kind of funny in a sense because when he found an opening to the
other side Morticia let him know she was there and he started high
tailing it back to his side. She just snapped at him and then she went
back into the rocks. It wasn't like she chased him around or anything,
but it did startle him enough to start looking for his escape passage
back to home turf. My questions are now.,
1) since he is the
smaller of the 2 can I safely remove the separator.
<No... not
likely>
[I thought the male arriving would of been larger and would
of possibly harmed the female,,, not the other way around] or 2) do I
need to wait until he's an adult size also before putting them together?
<Can try... with you being present only... to re-separate them>
and still wait until I get the larger tank? [they are housed in a 37
gallons right now with no other fishies]
3) How long does it take
to reach maturity?
<Mmm, likely another six months or so. Bob
Fenner>
Re: Lyretail Dottyback 9/15/06
I was
concerned but not any more because nature is dictating my next step.
<As it will>
I guess even in fishy land boys will be boys and girls
will be girls. It's been three days now and Gomez's boy curiosity and
persistence has kept him on Morticia's side of the tank most of today.
And Morticia well it appears has fallen for his dashing good looks &
charm because she is not chasing him away anymore, and has even found a
back door to Gomez's side of the reef.
Hell, and I thought this was
going to be a long and drawn out process! A few hours ago I removed the
Plexiglas and all is well, actually better then well. It's obvious
Morticia likes the extra room to move around. I don't see anything to be
worried about anymore <big grins>
<We'll see...>
I just saw
MACNA XVIII is being held in Houston.
<Ah, yes>
I only live 30
miles North of the city so you bet I'll be there.
<Good>
I saw a
banner showing y'all will be there also. Will y'all be displaying or
selling anything?
<Mmm, I'm giving a pitch late Sunday>
I can't
wait.
Has it ever been held in Houston before?
<Don't recall it
ever being there>
Thanks for all your assistance. If by chance we
have any little Addams I'll let you know. I've been kind of documenting
my process in the forum something I still need to update since my last
step.
Terri
<Good... do take a read of Martin Moe's, "Breeding
the P. fridmani" book... close correlations to be realized... Bob
Fenner>
Goby Addition/Pseudochromis Aggression - 08/31/06
Hi WWM Crew,
<<Good Morning>>
I have a 30 gallon tank all water
parameters are very good. In the 30 gallon tank is an Ocellaris
Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris) and a Fridmani Pseudochromis
(Pseudochromis fridmani). I was wondering if I could move a Yellow
Clown Goby (Gobiodon okinawae) which I have in another tank into the 30
gallon tank?
<<Yes>>
Even with the Fridmani Pseudochromis
already in there because they tend to be aggressive fish.
<<If "tank
bred/raised" it will be much more "mild mannered" than its wild caught
brethren. But either way, I think the goby will be fine>>
Thanks
for your reply.
<<Quite welcome. EricR>>
Mithraculus comp. with Dottyback 8/6/06
I put an
emerald crab in a 55 gallon tank with live rock, sand. The emerald crab
was killed and/or eaten by the only fish I have in the tank; a
strawberry pseudo. I was using him to rid the tank of excess bubble
algae. It is the first time I have ever kept one of these fish, and
found nothing to indicate the emerald crab would be in danger. Is this
normal behaviour for this species? (strawberry pseudo) Thanks, Eddie
<Can be trouble here. Take a read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dotbkcompfaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mithraxfaqs.htm
BobF>
911--Dottyback eating hermit crab 7/7/06
Hello! Thank you for this amazing website. I have learned more than a
lifetime of experience from you and I love Anthony's and Bob's books. I
have kind of an emergency because my Strawberry Dottyback just ate my
reef hermit crab--tail first--and the claws, etc. seem to be stuck in
his mouth!
What should I do? Remove the crab? I can send a picture
if you would like. Thank you! Jessica
<Mmm, I would try to
extricate the crab exoskeleton bits here... two nets to catch the Dotty,
gentle pulling with tweezers/forceps... Good hunting! Bob Fenner>
Eel Blenny/Pseudochromid Question... with Dwarf Lions OK, with a Queen
Trigger, No Way 6/17/06
Hello,
I have recently
come across a Eel Blenny/Green Wolf Eel (Congrogadus subduscens) at the
local fish store, but have been having some
difficulty in finding
info on it. I've read that it gets fairly long in length, but despite
its size is quite passive as a Dottyback. Can you please reconfirm
this?
<Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm>
How passive is it?
<Quite... maybe a 2-3 out of ten...>
In my tank I have two dwarf
lionfish (at the moment, inedible size). Would these fish go alright
together in the future?
<Should, yes>
I also have a decent
sized queen trigger. Any problems there?
<!Huge... Balistes vetula
is close to a "ten out of ten"... Not to be trusted with these other
fish species. Bob Fenner>
sincerely,
Aaron Raney
Dottybacks/Compatibility 5/25/06
Hello again and
thanks for responding to my last e-mail! The page that I was directed
to was very helpful. Thing is, I wasn't sure when it was written.
By that I mean, was it written before orchid dottys were being tank
raised and being considered more "passive" for lack of better words, or
was it referring to the wild orchid dottys, which I heard can be
living terrors. <<Was written (my me) ahead of this time. RMF>> I'm
just not sure whether to take the gamble on these guys or not. I don't
want to take my tank apart to catch these super quick and agile
swimmers if they get out of hand. I know they may become
more aggressive as they get older, just wondering if that is still true
for tank raised orchid dottys. Sorry for the trouble, and
thanks again!
<Tank raised Dottybacks that I feel would be
compatible/safe are:
Pseudochromis Fridmani/Fridman's Dottyback
Pseudochromis Springeri/Springer's Dottyback
Pseudochromis
Flavivertex/Sunrise Dottyback
Pseudochromis Bicolor/Bicolor
Dottyback
All of the above may chase smaller fish but generally have
good personalities.
They will defend their nook from intruders, all
will prey on bristleworms, and most important, if more than one is
desired, they should be put in the tank at the same time. I have a
Bicolor Dottyback in a 30 mini reef that is a perfect gentleman. All
are easy to care for. I hope this helps you out.
James (Salty Dog)>
Dottybacks/Compatibility - 05/22/2006
Hello WWM crew!
<Hello>
I have read your FAQ's like crazy trying to establish an
opinion on tank raised Dottybacks and their temperament...I still need
help! I read that Orchids are some of the more passive species (among
tank raised Dottybacks). Have they possibly become very passive in the
latter stages of the tank bred process? I have a 95 gallon reef tank
with currently 100lbs of rock, I am adding more slowly since that stuff
can be pricey around here. It currently houses 1 ocellaris clownfish,
two pajama Cardinalfish, one peppermint shrimp, and
one skunk
cleaner shrimp...yep, that's all, it's a reef in progress, and I take
it slow!
<Ahh, patience, an excellent tool in this
hobby.>
I am trying to choose the tankmates, and am reading like
crazy trying to make sure I don't get a fish that I have to disassemble
my tank just to catch him cause he is pounding another fish. Basically,
I would love to add an Orchid, or possibly the hybrid Indigo Dottyback,
but don't want to do so if he is going to pick on other fish. I would
like to place a yellow assessor in there as well, but would rather have
the Orchid or Indigo. Are these tank raised species likely to pick on
my shrimp or bully any other fish, and if they would bully some
tankmates, which ones should I avoid? The cardinals are kinda slow and
peaceful, I would really hope that a Dottyback will not bully them as
well. The LFS owner said in his opinion they have become as docile as
any fish, and he would label them as "peaceful, but territorial." He
didn't think
they would seek out someone to pick on just for sport,
what's your take on this? I appreciate your help, and value your
opinions and knowledge, it has been very helpful in the past! Take
care!
<Do read here. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm James
(Salty Dog)>
H. Owens
Mauled Dottyback - 26/4/06
Hi
everybody!
<Hi Sam!>
This is Sam from India
<You've got John
from China today.>
Today morning when I was checking out my tank all
fishes were fine.
But my favorite fish the Diadema Dottyback was not
so well, it looked like it could not swim and is struggling to change
its place.
So I took my probe stick, as usually it should move when
the stick is taken near it.
But it did not move much but was
struggling to move, there is some problem I thought!
Then I moved it
with my stick and to my horror its entire stomach was eaten away!
As
it was struggling too much, I thought there is no chance of recovery so
I just put it in the freezer and had to euthanize it.
Was this
right?
<Oh! That sounds horrible! I think you made the correct
decision to euthanize the fish and spare it from its slow demise.
However, opinion varies on whether freezing is the most humane method.
clove oil anesthetization - or even a whack on the head - are likely
quicker and less painful for the fish. But this is a moot point - you
should be proud that you did the best you could.>
What could have
caused it? In my tank I have a Yellow-tail Damsel, a Blue Devil, a pair
of Allardi Clownfish, and a few Nerite snails.
The Dottyback was the
oldest dude, and no one messed with it!
<unless it was very
sick/weak already, I don't know what could have happened here.>
The
tank is full of live rock; could some thing be hidden in it?
<Could
have: have you added any live rock recently? Loud clicking/tapping
noises at night would be a tell-tale sign of a mantis shrimp.>
And
the best part is that it was not dead and then eaten, but was alive when
eaten!
<Poor fish.>
No other fish was interested in checking him
out! It just happened 10 minutes ago, so still a bit sad.
<Understandable. Do keep an eye out for unwanted hitchhikers if you have
recently added live rock. Other things to think about are sharp objects
- or perhaps falling rocks - in the tank. Maybe an exposed powerhead
impeller? Or, if the fish fell ill beforehand, then look into water
parameters.>
Anyways, see if u can answer this!
Thanks,
Sam
<I hope you get to the bottom of it! Best regards, John.>
Trapping
a fish in a fish trap ... bad Dottyback 4/23/06
Hi
guys, I wrote to you earlier about a yellow Pseudochromis that was in my
quarantine tank. You said it would be ok to introduce into my 125g reef.
Well, he has eaten my fire shrimp, peppermint shrimp and possibly my
emerald crab. He is extremely territorial.
<What species is this
Dottyback? Some are pure terrors (e.g. Steene's), while others are by
and large "reef safe" (the tank produced Fridman's for instance>
Unfortunately the entire tank is his territory!! My two remaining shrimp
( skunk cleaners) are resorted to living on powerhead. If they go to
the sand then he bullies them. My question is on using a fish trap for
him. How do you use it. I have a full blown reef, with rock and corals
so the typical fish net won't work here. Please advise me how. Thank
you, Stephanie
<... What species? Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm
and the linked files
above... particularly Compatibility FAQs. Bob Fenner>
Pseudochromis aureus compatibility with shrimp 3/18/06
Hello all, I am in a dilemma. I purchased from an on line retailer a
yellow Pseudochromis fish, about 2" which has been in quarantine for 30
days. My fear, and question, is that I have read (of course, after
purchase) that they can eat ornamental shrimp.
<Some Dottybacks have
a predisposition to...>
I have a 125g. tank with plenty of rockwork
and corals. Once I put this fish in, it will be a nightmare to catch if
it is indeed a shrimp killer. What do you think is the likely hood of
this happening?
<With this species, sized specimen, type of
set-up... very small chance>
I have 4 shrimp---1 fire shrimp 2", 1
peppermint shrimp 2", and 2 cleaner (skunk) shrimp 3". I intend to keep
him there until I am fairly sure he is ok. You all have been right on in
the past. He seems so shy in the quarantine tank, but putting him in the
big tank may open up other problems, so I want to be prepared. Thanks in
advance, Stephanie.
<I would risk this introduction/mix. Cheers, Bob
Fenner>
Royal Gramma Help... actually, an example of
punctuated knowledge, learning in our species... A useful paradigm for
military conflicts, government manipulation of the masses
3/16/06
Hi, I started a fish only saltwater aquarium about 7
weeks ago. I cycled the tank with damsels and removed them as I was told
by my fish consultant when I was ready to get other fish.
<Mmm, see
WWM re this practice... the damsels may have left you a nasty (disease)
surprise...>
I bought 2 percula clowns and 1 royal Gramma. In about
2 days, one clown died and from the way I described it, my fish
consultant believes it was clownfish disease.
<There's more than
one... Brooklynellosis? Should not have occurred if these were tank
bred...>
About a week later, I lost the other one. I am waiting
about 2 weeks before I buy anymore clowns.
<... in the meanwhile,
please read on WWM re these animals needs>
I have now had the royal
Gramma for about 3 weeks and over that time I have added a Heniochus
butterfly, a coral beauty angel, and a strawberry Pseudochromis.
<... how large is this system? How filtered?>
The Pseudochromis
charged at the royal Gramma once or twice when I first added him to the
display tank, and they have seemed fine ever since.
<Will be unless
this system is "at least four feet long">
I see no tension between
any of the fish right now. They are all eating fine and look healthy,
except the royal Gramma. A couple days ago, I noticed his top fin was a
little rigid and had a tiny tear in it. I also saw that his left fin
looks like the cartilage has been torn.
<Likely from tussling with
the Dottyback>
He can still swim fine, but I am concerned. I also
saw that one of his bottom fins looks like half of it was sort of
snapped off. I also see 2 whitish lines back above his eyes, but I don't
know if they were there before. Could these characteristics be from the
Pseudochromis or could it be an infection of some kind?
<Both, from
one, then the other... will likely die if not removed, treated
elsewhere>
I am very concerned and if you have any advice, please
let me know. Thanks!
<... as time goes by you'll understand how
little useful information you have provided here. Please, do yourself
and your livestock the favor of educating yourself. Don't rely on a
consultant, me... read. Bob Fenner>
Skunk Cleaner Shrimp vs.
Dottyback - 2/20/2006
Hi crew!
<<Hi Chris.>>
I'm just
researching the possibility of adding a Lysmata amboinensis to my 30gal
(UK) FOWLR tank. I have 2 Tank Bred Amphiprion ocellaris and a
Pseudochromis porphyreus, a few Nassarius Snails, a Bumble Bee Snail, a
Super Turbo and a Blue Legged Hermit Crab along with a few Actinodiscus
and a very small Sarcophyton.
I really wanted to
know if it's at all likely that the Dottyback would eat or attack a
skunk cleaner. I think it would make a really cool addition to my tank,
but I don’t want to add one if it's likely to end up as an expensive
meal for my Dottyback. I've looked through the FAQs but no-one seems to
have asked the question.
<<Tough call. I have never personally had
a problem with this fish and shrimp. That said, some have. If I were
you, I would remove your Pseudochromis to a quarantine tank, add the
shrimp to the qt, and watch carefully to see how the fish reacts. This
way if it goes poorly, you can more easily separate the two without
having to tear apart your display tank. Just a
suggestion. Alternatively, add a larger shrimp, watch closely, and be
prepared to separate/lose a shrimp.>>
Thanks again for a fantastic
resource. Whenever I'm planning something for my aquarium I always spend
a few hours/days trawling through the WWM site, reading up.
<<Me
too.>>
Warm Regards,
Chris.
<<Lisa.>>
Orange wolf
eels and fuzzy dwarf lions 1/8/06
I have a 55-gallon tank
with live rock. I recently introduced a wolf
eel. I know this
Dottyback is often referred to as a "green wolf eel,"
<Yes>
but
this specimen is bright orange -- not brown -- with aqua-colored
markings. Is that coloration unusual or is it what is meant by a brown
female?
<Is unusual... perhaps a female>
It is a gorgeous fish
but highly aggressive. The LFS guy assured me that the wolf eel would
not bother my fuzzy dwarf lionfish, but it
certainly freaked it out,
and the FDL started hanging out at the top of the tank, even upside down
at times, and hanging onto the protein
skimmer. After a couple of
days, things seemed to settle down in the tank, and the FDL moved around
the tank more, back on the rock at times,
but still very wary of the
wolf eel. Then two things happened. The FDL ate a feeder goldfish that
was meant for the wolf eel (having read your
site, I now know to
train it to eat other foods), and it took most of the day for the FDL to
fully swallow a fish that was not that much smaller
than itself. The
next day the FDL was dead, resting on the bottom and looking much whiter
than it had in life. Your website talks about cyanide
poisoning as a
possible cause of death (we had had the FDL only about 10 days before
introducing the wolf eel), but I wonder if either the
goldfish or
stress caused by the wolf eel are more likely causes.
<Scorpaenid
fishes are easy to collect... cyanide isn't used on them. The other
inputs are of more import here.>
My family would love to replace the
FDL, but I wonder about its compatibility with the wolf eel.
<In
this size system, considering what you're written re the behavior of
this Dottyback, I wouldn't>
Thank you for your help.
<Welcome.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Orange wolf eels and fuzzy dwarf lions
1/11/06
Dear Bob and WWM Crew -
<Franck>
Thank you for
the helpful response. Your site is a remarkable source of information --
I just wish I had heard about it before I started. The LFS
guy
directed me to your site over the weekend as the best place to get
answers on-line, and I was proud to be able to say I was already
familiar with the resource.
<Ahh!>
In my previous email, you
suggested that another dwarf lionfish may not recommended for my 55-gal
set-up given the aggressive wolf eel.
<Correct. Have seen some of
these that were pure terrors. At any length it is likely that the "Wolf
Eel" would eat most all food placed in the tank>
Is there anything
else that you could suggest to a novice that might thrive?
<The
choices are vast here... and covered to a degree on WWM>
In addition
to the Dottyback, I have a coral banded shrimp, a percula clown, and
three surviving starter damsels (the Dottyback got the fourth). I
have about 25 lbs of live rock sitting on a thin layer of 20 lbs. of
live sand. One other odd question -- does the wolf eel produce large
"droppings"?
<Yes. Can>
I have found occasional soft black lumps
on the bottom, and I can think of no other source. I assume these need
to be scooped up immediately -- I
just never heard of this as part
of maintenance process!
Thanks again.
Franck
<Happens. Bob
Fenner>
Pseudochromis fridmani aggression 11/1/05
I've read
that the tank-raised Dottybacks are less aggressive but I still am not
sure if they would be compatible with my tank.
<They generally adapt
better to confined systems and the social life of tank mates that occurs
in captivity in comparison to their wild captured cousins. However they
are instinctly territorial and have the potential to be quite
aggressive.>
I currently have a 100 gal setup with:
1 Firefish
1 court jester goby
1 powder blue tang
2 tomato clowns
1
cleaner shrimp
2 sexy shrimp
What problems do you foresee?
<Possibly a little aggression toward the Firefish though since it is
already established and this tank is on the side you may be okay.>I am a
little worried about the sexy shrimp and the Firefish.
<The sexy
shrimp could definitely fall prey to a larger specimen.>
I know he
would be added last - does this also minimize aggression?
<Minimizes
the chance of aggression but not a guarantee.>
Thank you,
Marlana
Marks
<You are welcome, Adam J.>
Pseudochromis vs. Clowns
10/18/05
Hi WWM Crew!
<Hello Steve!>
First, my compliments
on your fantastic site...the knowledge contained within its pages has
proved invaluable time and again.
<Glad you have found us useful.>
I was hoping to get your advice on my current situation with my,
normally, very peaceful fridmani. Recently, I moved two tank-bred A.
Perculas (born June 16)
<Little guys.>
into his, and he's having
difficulty accepting the newcomers.
<Not surprising honestly.>
Previously, his only tank mate for over two years, other than the
assorted cleanup crew and a cleaner shrimp, was a yellow goby (Gobiodon
okinawae) which mysteriously disappeared a few weeks ago.
<The
fridmani had a territory (tank) to himself the addition of new fish is
going to upset him.>
I knew there would be a possibility that he
could act aggressively towards newcomers,
<More than a possibility,
more like a likelihood.>
but convinced myself that the chances would
be very slim considering his past behavior, the fact that there's plenty
of hiding space in this 30-gallon reef tank,
<Its not a physical
space issue it’s a psychological space issue.>
and that fridmanis and
Perculas normally get along admirably. Well, so much for my reasoning!
<Personalities are unpredictable at times with fish and people.>
At
any rate, the fridmani seems hell-bent on keeping the two Perculas
trapped in a corner.
<Not pleasant for the perks, could lead to
stress or feeding strikes.>
He does sometimes charge into their
midst, but I have not observed him actually nipping at them, and don't
believe he's making any physical attacks.
<These psychological
attacks can be just as damaging over time.>
When I approach the
tank, he seems to know instinctively that he's misbehaving and will
retreat into his favorite cave. With the fridmani out of sight, the
Perculas will immediately leave their cover and seem to enjoy exploring
their new environment and playing in the outflow from the water pumps.
After I've "intervened" and they've been released from hiding, I've
noticed that even after I retreat, they will "stand their ground" and
not allow the fridmani to chase them back into the corner so easily.
They don't actually go after him, naturally, but they do seem to exhibit
some teamwork
<There is strength in numbers being in pair is better
than being alone.>
and will "stare him down" for a while.
Nonetheless, two or three times a day (this is only their second day in
the tank), I'll have to come over to the tank to make the fridmani
retreat (I don't actually do anything other than walk over to it and
stand there for a few minutes). BTW, it was always normal for this shy
fish to retreat when anyone approached the glass, even at feeding time.
<Yes these are instincts.>
Do you believe the fridmani will begin to
accept his new tank mates given some time?
<He could but its also
possible he could become bolder and begin attacking even more.>
If
so, how long should I tolerate this before intervening in a more drastic
manner?
<You should be intervening now, I was going to suggest
re-aquascaping but I see that’s not an option.>
Unfortunately, I
can't rearrange the LR, or I would have done that today. Should I pull
the fridmani out for a while and re-introduce him later?
<That would
be my second choice, move the fridmani to your quarantine tank for at
least a week maybe longer.>
Naturally, it would be quite some feat
for me to actually capture him (can't really move the structure as I
mentioned; LOTS of hiding places; and he's not only fast, he seems to be
rather intelligent as well).
<I understand.>
Obviously, in the
worst case, I know I'll have to pull the Perculas out.
<Yes.>
However, even though when it comes to fish I've always felt that fewer
was more, I really didn't want this to become a single fish tank,
especially since he is rather shy.
<I understand.>
But, if he
can't come to terms with these, I can't imagine him accepting any other
fish that I'd be willing to introduce to the tank.
<In all honesty
the chances of the fridmani settling down are not good, you are going to
have to intervene in one way or another.>
Suggestions?
<You would
try your best to temporarily separate the fridmani.>
Thanks and
Cheers! Steve
<You’re welcome Adam J.>
Purple pseudo and
percula tank raised Help 9/19.5/05
I am a novice, I love
your site it has taught me a lot. i recently added a purple pseudo to
my tank, with a percula I have LR and all that my clown was healthy and
happy. The fish store guy suggested this purple pseudo as a good match
but he seems quite aggressive and keeps nipping at my clown his bottom
fins are getting torn what should i do,?
<Separate them... ASAP>
my clown is very friendly and feeds from my fingers. I feel when i go
to the fish store they are only helpful if you know what your talking
about, it's hard to be a novice and get good advice, but I actually
love my SW tank and plan to expand to get a rose tip anemone later down
the line. After i know what I'm doing. Can you please help!!!!
<Keep studying, thinking critically my friend. You'll do fine. Bob
Fenner>
Royal Dottyback- A Royal Pain?
My wife and I have
had some bad luck picking fish lately. Our first fish died a couple
months ago (it was a Strawberry Basslet). When we finally got the
courage up to get something else... we got a Bicolor Basslet and a
Diamond Goby. Things went well for a couple days. Next thing I know my
goby is on the ground dead. I think my Basslet bullied him out. The
reason I say that is this: I went back to the pet store and got a
Sixline wrasse. Sure enough, Basslet bullied him.
<Hey - you really
need to quarantine new arrivals for a few weeks before placing them in
you system. It can make the difference between success and failure!>
My wrasse didn't jump out, but I can't find him. I've been told a six
line wrasse will hide in the rocks.
<They can. I had one disappear,
only to be found thriving in my overflow box months later, apparently
none the worse for the experience!>
Still, I'm paranoid he's dead. So
I pick up every rock, but don't see him. I guess something ate him.
<These fishes are very adept at hiding, in rocks, substrate, etc. I
wouldn't give up just yet.>
(combination of Basslet, shrimp, serpent
star, crabs.. who knows) Now my question is this. If my wrasse did die,
what fish can I possibly get... that my Basslet wouldn't bully, or at
the very least could stand its ground against it?
<If you are
referring to the "Bicolor Dottyback" or "Royal Dottyback" (Ahh.. the
danger of using common names), Pseudochromis paccagnellae, then you are
dealing with a fish that, is a real behavioral problem in many tanks, as
you seem to be finding out. You'd be best to stock the fish with larger,
more aggressive fishes that can hold their own.>
And do you think
there's any chance my wrasse is still alive? I saw him yesterday
morning.. but not since. (I have about 40 lbs of live rock in a 29
gallon tank.. and I picked up every rock to check.. but I guess I could
have missed a crevice here or there??) If you can offer up any advice, I
would greatly
appreciate it. Thanks. Neil
<Well, Neil, it's hard
to say...There is very likely a chance that he's hiding and will emerge
soon.>
PS: in case you need specifics about my tank and what's in
it.. here goes:
29 gallon tank
40 lbs live rock
1 Bicolor
Basslet
1 Sixline Wrasse (I hope)
1 feather duster
1 Serpent
Star
1 Coral Banded shrimp
about 15 hermit crabs (mix of Blueleg
and Scarlet)
about 15 snails (mix of Turbo, Nassarius, and Cerith)
2 Sea Cucumbers
Oh.. and last I checked, which was just a couple days
ago.. pH was normal.. and there was no ammonia, nitrates, nitrites,
phosphates, etc. (I've had the tank about 5 months).
Again, Thanks
for your help.
<Glad to be of service! Keep looking! Regards, Scott
F.>
Dottyback Compatibility
Bob,
<James, for Bob today>
First, I would like to thank you for your contributions to this great
hobby!
<You're welcome>
Your work has helped us out tremendously.
Now to the point. I am setting up a new 125 and moving the rock over.
After a couple of months to stabilize, I would like to add a couple of
Dottybacks. One would be the Orchid, the other the sunrise. I plan on
about 120 lbs of rock or so. I believe I now have about 80 and the rock
is all from the Marshall's. It is going to be a Marshall Island biotope.
I have not decide on fore or back reef. The dotties would be captive
bred. In this type tank do you think the 2 dotties would work? If not,
what would you suggest as the minimum size tank for maintain these fish
together? Thanks for your time and contributions.
<Steve, it would
be the equivalent of putting two male freshwater Bettas in a tank
together. Read here.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm. James (Salty Dog)>
Dottyback Compatibility - II
James,
Thanks for the reply. I
guess I won't be doing that! I have read all the FAQ's and I couldn't
find a minimum tank size to house 2 dotties. Do you have a
recommendation?
<Steve, it's just not wise to put two dotties
together. They are great scrappers with others of their kind. James
(Salty Dog)>
Dottyback Compatibility - Oh no you don't!
James,
Thanks! I hate when I can't do what I want ;-) I won't even
think it again. I appreciate your looking out for the best
interest of the fish!!!
<And your wallet. James (Salty Dog)>
Wrasse Vs. Dottyback?
Do you have any specific recommendations
for fish that are generally larger and more aggressive than my
Dottyback? Thanks.
<Well, I'd look into some of the larger
Halichoeres species of wrasse, such as H. ornatissimus or H. marginatus.
They are cool and can hold their own! HTH! Regards, Scott F.>
Killer Dottyback or?
Hi Crew, I need some advice about my large
yellow Dottyback. I purchased her a short time ago and was assured from
the local saltwater fish store that she would not disrupt my reef tank.
Well I am seeing changes here. A 55gal tank with about 100lbs of live
rock. A clown, Chromis, 2-damsels. Multiple small corals of all sizes
and shapes. My big question is I am now missing a few of my Astrea
snails, and I haven't seen any of my Stomatellas and my 2-cleaner shrimp
are missing as well.
I have started to feed her frozen meaty foods
and have noticed how aggressive she is with shrimp and squid pieces. Is
she the culprit and if so is there any way to trap her without taking
all the rock out of the tank and disrupting the growing
coral I have
in there now? Thanks Lacee22
<Mmm, could be the Dottyback, but I'm
wondering if you have another critter... a Mantis Shrimp, Pistol Shrimp,
perhaps large worm... at play here. I would buy or devise a trap (these
are gone over on WWM... you can use the indices or search tool there)
and a flashlight at night to investigate further... Bob Fenner>
Dottyback and Firefish in a Small Tank (6/5/05)
Perhaps you can
help me, I have had a 10 gallon reef tank going for about 4 months.
Everything is great. But this weekend we picked up a Firefish. The day
I got him I acclimated him and put him in the tank. After a very short
time, the Dottyback (Pseudochromis aldabraensis) was attacking him.
<Totally within what should be expected from this very aggressive fish,
especially in such a small tank.> He would come from under the LR attack
and go back again. Probably attacked about 10 time in 10 minutes. So I
put the Firefish in a plastic container with holes in it, and just
floated him for 2 days now. Maybe this way the Dottyback can get use to
the fire fish. <That will not happen. Expect exactly the same if you
release the Firefish into the tank again.> I added the Dottyback and my
percula clown together and they are both fine together. <The Dottyback
will attack any fish of similar body type such as Firefish, gobies,
royal Gramma. They have been known to eviscerate and kill fish larger
than themselves.> I also have a peppermint shrimp that's fine. Can you
tell me if
I can successfully add the fire fish to my tank? Thank
you, Ron <Sorry to say this Ron, but I highly doubt it. Your tank is too
small and the Dottyback is too aggressive. If I were you, I'd remove it.
I'm not sure you'll be able to get any other fish in there with it now,
most especially a Firefish. Consider replacing him with the safer Royal
Gramma. With the clown, a Gramma and the Firefish, this tiny tank will
be full. There are other options for stocking, but 10G can really only
handle 3 or 4 small marine fish. Hope this helps, Steve Allen.>
Dottyback and Fire Fish Question
Perhaps you can help me, I have
had a 10 gallon reef tank going for about 4 months. Everything is
great. But this weekend we picked up a Firefish. The day I got him I
acclimated him and put him in the tank. After a very short time, the
Dottyback (Pseudochromis aldabraensis) was attacking him. He would come
from under the LR attack and go back again. probably attacked about 10
time in 10 minutes. So I put the Fire Fish in a plastic container with
holes in it, and just floated him for 2 days now. Maybe this way the
Dottyback can get use to the fire fish.
I added the Dottyback and my
percula clown together and they are both fine together. I also have a
peppermint shrimp that's fine. Can you tell me if I can
successfully add the fire fish to my tank?
<Ron, I suggest you
return the Dottyback to your LFS. Dottybacks can be very aggressive to
certain species of fish such as the Firefish. Firefish are best kept
with other timid species. James (Salty Dog)> <<And this tank is WAY too
small... RMF>>
Thank you,
Ron
Dottyback Compatibility
(6/8/05)
Thanks a lot for your quick and informative answer! <My
pleasure. Pre-flight insomnia keeping me up late. Steve Allen again.>
And what if I would replace the Randall's Orange stripe prawn goby
(Amblyeleotris randalli) by an Orchid Dottyback (Pseudochromis
fridmani)? <It might well kill your Dragonet and Firefish.> Just a
thought...Thanks! Dominique <While Orchids are a bit less aggressive
than others, Dottybacks are well-known for vicious aggression. It would
be a bad idea to put any Dottyback in the same tank with timid fish such
as Firefish and Dragonets. Not worth the risk.>
Pony Pals...
Seahorse compatibility (7/9/05)
I am currently in the process of
starting a 77 gallon seahorse tank.
<Congratulations! Seahorses are
my absolute favorites! This is a very nice size for a seahorse corral.
Please do look into stocking your tank with captive bred seahorses. They
are a healthier, heartier and an environmentally friendlier option. In
addition the reliable breeders will have them trained to accept frozen
Mysis, so that feeding is not as challenging and costly as feeding their
wild caught relatives. There are a few reliable sources these days>
I am looking for suitable tankmates for the seahorses.
<You can find
a list of suitable pony pals on syngnathid.org…..
http://www.syngnathid.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=FlatMates&Number=824&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1>
I learned from seahorse.org that Firefish could make a good addition to
my tank.
Yes they make an excellent seahorse companion. I had a pair
of purple Firefish Nemateleotris decora for years.>
My question is
does that hold true for the purple tilefish, which is in the same
family?
<Actually the tilefish are in the family Malacanthidae and
Firefish the Microdesmidae family. Tilefish historically have a very
poor survivability. You can read more about the tilefish here…..http://www.wetwebmedia.com/tilefishes.htm.
If you are interested in something that is purple you have a few
options….. There is the purple Firefish Nemateleotris decora, which you
can have a look at here
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dartfish.htm. The Orchid Dottyback,
Pseudochromis fridmani which you can have a look at here
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm.
The Dottybacks
typically do not make suitable tankmates for seahorses but the Fridmani
Pseudochromis is an exception to the rule. They are also available
captive bred which is a very nice advantage. However, beware not to
confuse this fish with Pseudochromis porphyreus the Magenta Dottyback
which has more of the typical Dottyback personality which would not be
appropriate with seahorses.
Then there is the Black-Cap Gramma,
Gramma melacara which you can have a look at here
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/grammas.htm.
You can find additional
information and support at www.syngnathid.org. Best of luck with your
new seahorse corral, Leslie>
Questions about Dottybacks
9/2/05
Hello there. <Hello Rick> I have a few questions about the
orchid Dottybacks. <Nice fish> I’m so tempted to buy one, but I want to
make sure it won’t dismember my other fish. I have 3 damsels and a clown
fish. Will an orchid Dottyback be ok with these fish? How will it affect
the other fish. My two yellow tailed damsels are already used to being
bullied around by my blue damsel and my percula clown fish is very
territorial to his anemone. If anything I think my blue damsel and
clownfish will be fine with a Dottyback but my yellowtailed damsels are
very shy. Thank you so much!!!
<Rick, the Dottybacks shouldn't
bother any of your fish providing there is no overcrowding in the tank.
The blue damsel may have a few rounds with the Dottyback but if you have
plenty of hiding spots (caves, etc), you should be OK> Male Dottybacks
are aggressive toward each other so stay away from that. James (Salty
Dog)>
What do you think about eventually adding a Dottyback
to my FOWLR which has a royal Gramma in it? War? I was thinking about a
neon or an orchid.
p.s. the RG is doing very well with all of the
bigger fish. They leave him alone and he travels all over.
>>
Some
Dottybacks (Pseudochromis) can be tough as species and individual
specimens, but both the Neons and Orchids are pretty mellow and
consistent... as a consequence of being largely tank bred and reared
(versus wild-collected). I say "go for it", but keep your eyes open...
Bob Fenner
Re: New Mini Reef Set up....
Ok Robert I've
got another question for you, So, I took my blue devil and put him in
the little breeder box, rearrange the tank completely and let in my 2
new fish, a skunk back Pseudochromis, and a peppermint goby into the
tank.. once it was obvious that they were fine and settled and eating, I
let the devil loose... he immediately started going after the
Pseudochromis, but the Pseudochromis has been putting up a good fight
and hasn't suffered at all, and actually has taken a little out of the
tail of my blue devil. The situation stands now with the blue devil
keeping watch for the Pseudochromis, but not really doing any harm... do
you think I should see if he gets bored of this and gives up or should I
just remove him from the tank now???
I'll need to do that before my
fiancé gets home, she's gotten kinda attached to the fish! :-) maybe
I'll get a green Chromis instead....
what ya think?
Thanks!
DAVE
<All actually sounds like it's going "as planned"... a stand-off
of sorts is really what you/we can best hope for... and detente seems to
have been achieved... these alpha type species are doing about what they
will... and likely won't kill one another off at this point... The
"loser" of the hour, minute, day can/will hide out for a better chance
next time... As long as they're both getting food... and I wouldn't add
any more fish/fighters to this milieu... until/when you can enlarge the
"arena".
Bob Fenner>
Dottyback
Dear Mr. Fenner,
Once again I have to ask your advice, this time rather urgently:
In a
55 gal. w/LR I had a Yellow Tang, 2 tank-raised Ocellaris clowns, and a
Blue Damsel. In anticipation of a new specimen I removed the Damsel to
another tank. Although I had planned to purchase a Coral Beauty Angel
this weekend, I was dissuaded by the LFS who insisted that I needed to
acquire more live rock (I currently have roughly 25 lbs. and am adding
10 lbs. at a time) and better lighting (to encourage macroalgae growth)
before purchasing the Coral Beauty.
<Good for them. Good advice>
Another fish caught my eye, what the LFS referred to as a tank-raised
"New Holland Basslet." Although I was unable to find the species in any
of the guides I consulted, I made the decision to purchase the rather
expensive specimen based on information about Basslets in general. This
was a mistake, and I could not feel more penitent.
<You should...>
I found the fish (a Dottyback, actually) on your site eventually (I
should have looked here first, I realize) and have learned that in the
wild it can reach 7.5 inches!
<Yes, and sometimes become an unholy
terror...>
I am not planning to introduce any more fish into my
system BUT I am greatly concerned that this fish will bring stress and
strife to my developing reef.
Should I return it now, consider it a
lesson and find a more docile species, or should the Dottyback do well
in my system? There are many shell and coral hiding places, but the
False Percs are hardly an aggressive species. Help! (I suppose I could
remove the clowns, return the damsel to the tank, and keep an
"aggressive species" tank?)
R. Duff
<If it were my system, and I
intended to add the Coral Beauty and/or keep the peace, I definitely
would trade this specimen back in. Too much possibility for trouble.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Dottyback
Dear Mr. Fenner,
I recently
wrote requesting help w/an aggressive Australian (New Holland)
Dottyback.
Despite my incredibly stupid purchase of a fish I had not
researched (but was recommended by my LFS) all is well, I removed the
fish easily and returned it to the store for credit which I used for
more LR.
So no urgent action is necessary. Sorry for the bother, it
is absolutely mystifying that despite the advice of many respected
sources I purchased a species I was not familiar with, a mistake I will
not repeat.
R. Duff
<Never a bother, and glad to hear this
Pseudochromis novaehollandiae is on its way to a happier, more
compatible setting.
Bob Fenner>
Dottyback
Hi Bob!
Long time no chat. I emailed you earlier to let you know I thoroughly
enjoy WWM. Now my dilemma.
<Hmm>
As you may recall, I struggled in
finally deciding to add a Kole tang to my tank. I found a nice one at a
LFS that was eating and he is doing great. He has made his place among
the other tangs and everyone is getting along fine. I intended for the
Kole to be my final fish. But you always see something new...
<Human
nature>
I saw a splendid Dottyback, Pseudochromis splendens today and
I was wondering how this fish might get along with my current tank
population. My current tank inhabitants include 2 yellow tangs, purple
tang, Kole tang, blue-sided fairy wrasse (C. cyanopleura), sand sifting
goby, one yellow-tailed damsel, one maroon clown (he finally got his
bubble-tip and both are in marital bliss...), and three bicolor Chromis.
(Oh, I almost forgot--you probably don't remember the details of my
system, but my tank is 180 gallons, 30g sump and 10g refugium.) I also
have various softies, 'Shrooms, LPS, a few SPS frags and a new 2" T.
maxima among other cleanup crew inverts.
<Should do fine with this
mix... this Pseudochromid is likely tank bred, reared... and for the
family of Dottybacks quite easygoing>
I've read up on these guys and
note that they're generally little devils as far as territoriality goes,
they like to jump and they should be added last or next to last. Also
that they are ich-prone. But they seem to be very neat fish, always
darting around. The specimen I saw was about 1 1/2 inches long or so and
seemed pretty active. Based on my experiences with adding fish, I'd be
most concerned with the ability of this fish to fit in with the bicolor
Chromises and the yellow-tailed damsel--I'd perceive these of the
current inhabitants to possibly present the most risk with this
addition. (The yellow-tailed damsel is the smallest fish in the system
and never picks on anyone else, but he really does like to pick on new
additions until they put him in his place...)
I really like the fish,
but I really don't want to too terribly disrupt the current tank
population as everyone has their "place" now. I also have never had an
ich outbreak and that's always a risk--I'm assuming that you'd recommend
FW dip/QT for this specimen? Or just FW dip?
<I would quarantine the
fish per our sites recommended protocol... barring this, at least a
pH-adjusted freshwater bath as spec.ed there, yes>
Also, as far as
color goes, is it the norm for these fishes to fade out in captivity, or
will they thrive and keep their color with good water quality and a
varied diet? (If fading out is the norm, then the reward might not
justify the risk.)
<This species is relatively "color fast">
I'm
just ruminating on this one for now. I'm inclined to pass on it just
from the potential risks of adding a fish and the risks specific to this
genus of fishes, but I'd appreciate your thoughts as always.
<Be
chatting my friend. Bob Fenner>
Thanks again! --James Deets
Neon Dottybacks
Hi,
I just return from the Western Marine
conference where I heard your presentation and in it, (not the topic
but) you mention some compatibilities between fishes. I have a question
about the neon Dottybacks: I am very impressed with this fishes and I
would like to have some of them (tank raised) but, how many could be put
together in a 180-G tank without too much aggression?
<Hmm,
tank-raised? I would go with three or four individuals...>
Thanks in
advance for your help and indeed, as someone mention in the
presentation, you have a GREAT website.
Jorge S.
<Thank you my
friend. Be chatting. Bob Fenner>
Re: Dottybacks
Thank
you for responding to my e-mail. I'm not sure how much e-mail you get,
but I suspect that it is quite a bit.
<Yes, a bit>
I had to put
the diadem Dottyback in my quarantine tank, it started attacking the
royal Gramma.
<Yes, very common... similar, too similar appearing,
habitat>
When I first put them in the tank, the Gramma chased the
Dottyback away from my larger group of rocks. (I don't have much rock in
yet, about 4 pounds. I am building up my live rock slowly.) I noticed
today that the Gramma had some frayed fins so I watched them for a while
and observed a fight. I spent an hour trying to catch the dotty (they
are fast little buggers) before I finally caught him. I am thinking from
what you said in your e-mail that I will have to take him back and wait
until I have more rock before replacing the Dottyback.
<Yes>
Thank
you again.
Jeffrey P. Schulz
<You're welcome. Bob Fenner>
Dottybacks
I recently purchased your book "The Conscientious
Marine Aquarist" and am enjoying it. At the same time that I bought your
book, I purchased a Royal Gramma and Diadema Dottyback for my two month
old 55 gallon system. I think that I would like to add another Dottyback
to the tank, perhaps a Sunrise Dottyback, and I was unsure from your
book whether that would be possible.
Are you limited to one Dottyback
per system or one of each species of Dottyback. In addition to the fish
already mentioned, I have two percula clowns in the tank. All are from
the same LFS and are tank-raised from C-Quest.
<Thank you for
writing! The limit "per tank" of Dottybacks/Pseudochromids is a measure
of three main factors: the size of the given system, the amount of
rock/cover, and the given species of Pseudochromid... on the latter,
some species are literally terrors... killing not just other Dotty's,
but most any other fish in its assumed territory. Diademas are amongst
the "more mellow", smaller species available, and the tank-raised
Sunrise is a virtual marshmallow... If this tank were twice the size and
has lots of cover, I would give you 50-50 odds of them making an uneasy
truce... a fifty five though? Not a good gamble.>
Thank you for your
time and excellent book.
Jeffrey P. Schulz
<Thank you my friend,
do take a look at the Dottyback materials stored on the site:
www.WetWebMedia.com Bob Fenner>
Blue-barred Dottyback
I
have always wanted to try a Dottyback but I was waiting for the right
one.... hopefully this one. I have a semi reef tank with a few anemones,
hermit crabs, a variety of snails and fish, the largest of which is a 4"
truncate Anthias (have seen one of these for sale?)
<Yes>
I
purchased a blue-barred Dottyback (Pseudochromis cyanotaenia) yesterday
with the thought that he might just fit into my community, although I am
worried about the six line wrasse....they have flashed at each other,
but there seems to be little problem, there is a lot of rock in the
tank. I am a little worried about one thing, both books I have mention
that this is a difficult species to keep but not why.
<http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=14
Not one of
the "meaner" nor larger species of Pseudochromids... I don't have a pic,
or much info. on this species: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm>
So far the little guy has been a whirl wind of curiosity checking
everything out all about the tank and eating right along with the other
fish. The Anthias chased him once (he had to make sure the Dottyback
knew who was boss!) and then has pretty well ignored him. (the Anthias
likes to initiate all new comers... will this be a problem when I
finally find him a buddy?).
<The Anthias? Likely so... you don't
state how large this system is... please read over the Fancy Basses
materials posted on our site: www.WetWebMedia.com
Bob Fenner>
Any
other info I can find would be wonderful.
Thank you
Kim
And the Dingo ate me Baby
Dear Bob.
I hope this finds you well
and in good spirits. Quick one today.
<Okay>
I have just come back
from a lecture this morning and have discovered to my horror that a
hermit crab and the CBS the one that you recommended trading :) have
been EATEN!!!. There are pieces of fore-claws and hermit crab legs over
the bottom of the tank. Apparently the CBS had molted last night as his
exoskeleton is still near him. Not sure what happened to the hermit
crab.
Quick review of the culprits. Would it be;
a. The tomato
clown.
b. The Scooter Blenny.
c. The two fire gobies.
d. One of
the Two Cardinals, Banggai and Pajama.
e. The Royal Dottyback
or
last but not least, the Yellow Tang, who was always letting the CBS
clean him. Please circle your choice :)
<Almost certainly the
Dottyback (Pseudochromid for browsers of elsewhere)>
In mourning and
do not want to run out and buy another Shrimp esp. the more expensive
ones so that they can become Fish Fingers so to speak.
<Yes>
Oh
and while I am keeping it short :) I have a quick question about the
Pulsing Xenia. When we got it it was a whitish color and was pulsing
away like mad. Now that it is in the larger tank it has changed color to
purple and the polyps no longer pulse. It retracts at night, and seems
to be growing longer day by day. There are also numerous small colonies
sprouting up from the two larger stalks.
<Stress symptomology... you
do use iodide occasionally? I would... and add something in the way of
wash/food about the area (while temporarily shutting down skimmer/s,
mechanical filtration? Please read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/xeniidfaqs.htm>
And also if you could
settle a dispute that would be really helpful.
After moving all of
the live rock into the new tank about two weeks ago, everything was
fine. Now the new coral substrate and everything is becoming covered
with a layer of emerald green "algae" as well as on top of the green
layer large spots of Maroon and Purple "algae" are developing. The
argument is, when I said that it was good algae, as opposed to the hair
algae that the tang has disposed of, I was told it looks like it will
turn into a swamp. Do I have too much light. I have 130 Gallon tank with
2 watts of power compact 50-50 per gallon.
<This is almost certainly
mainly Blue Green Algae/Cyanobacteria... not desirable, not eaten by
Tangs... Please read on WWM re its causes, control>
Ok leaving you
alone now. I very much appreciate your time. Look forward to your reply.
No rush so if there are more pressing matters please answer them first.
<Will do so. Bob Fenner>
Regards as always.
Julian Hunt
Re: And the Dingo ate me Baby
Cheers thanks so much
<You're
welcome my friend. Bob Fenner>
Julian
Terror in the tank
Dear Bob-
<You got Steven Pro this afternoon.>
You and your WetWeb
folks have given me great advice in the past through both your website
and your emails. I've written to you before about this fish, and your
diagnosis was perfect. Thought I'd ask another question.
In my 30
gallon tank, I have two fishes a maroon clown(< 2") and a Diadema
Dottyback (3"), plus a large coral banded and a couple of hermits.
Everyone has been happy and healthy to date, and the fish have been
together for over six months.
The problem is the Dottyback. He very
suddenly decided "there can be only one" creature in this tank....and
it's himself. I purchased more live rock and moved everything around in
the tank. (except the fake fan plant that the clown fish calls home)
<A good idea. Too bad it did not resolve the problem.>
This calmed
the Dottyback for a day or two, but now he's back at his old tricks.
Knocking the crabs around, playing tag with the shrimp, but especially
picking on the clown.
The clown for the most part tries to ignore the
Basslet, and has not shown any signs except a minor nipped tail, but
it's disconcerting to watch the charges of the aggressor.
<Not
something to tolerate for long. Beyond the actual wounds inflicted there
is the stress involved which may lower the Clownfish's immunity and
allow for infection.>
What to do? I believe that the clown when
larger, will hold his own (with maybe some payback), but that's down the
road.
Should I consider an anemone?
<Not a great choice.>
More
rock work?
<If you have less than 40 pounds, maybe more would help.>
Get a cat? (just kidding) A bigger tank is not an option right now as
space is limited.
<What about another tank?>
One suggestion (LFS)
is to get a Lunar Wrasse or something else to challenge him.
<A
little bit of the old woman who swallowed a fly story.>
What's your
advice?
<I would remove someone.>
BTW, the LFS I purchased the
Dottyback from won't take him back. I've since found a new store with
different policies. Unfortunately they don't sell Dottybacks. (for
reasons I've already described) Aside from his antics, the
Dottyback is an extremely intelligent and amusing character.
Any
insight would be most appreciated.
<See above notes.>
Thanks. Thom
<You are welcome. Good luck. -Steven Pro>
Compatibility
<Greetings... Anthony Calfo in your service while Bob refines his
technique for the synchronized swimming team>
Can a Blue Spot Jawfish
(Opistognathus rosenblatti) be kept with a New
Holland Pseudochromis
(Obgilbyina novaehollandiae)?
<hmmm... somewhat of an odd mix.
Although not competitive in niche, I fear that the famous temper of the
New Holland Pseudo will be a long-term problem. The Blue spot jaw is not
an easy fish to find... cherish it and work around it with more passive
tankmates. Anthony>
Incorrigible Emperor and Tusk
Update/Dottyback
Anthony,
I am a bit of a "fish stalker" I
guess. I've actually talked people OUT of buying a small Asfur that I
love because I didn't feel they would take good care of it. Too bad I
have to work like the rest of the world so I can only go there on Sat.
Well I was reading a section in WWM that I've never read
before.......which is shocking! I was reading about the Dottybacks. I
had no idea they were such bruisers.
<well... most just pack a
powerful punch for their small size>
The article says that some
should be kept with large angels, triggers, etc.
<actually most
Dottybacks would be eaten by these fish. There are few that are truly
large and tough enough to hang with the big boys>
Well I was
wondering if one of these guys would mix well with my monster Emperor
and my new Sohal.
<hmmm... I suspect not worth the aggravation for
either of you>
Before I went through this failed tusk experiment, I
got rid of my Red Spot Goby, my purple tang (which is ironic because I
ended up with another tang), and my Sergeant Major damsel. Now I have
the Emperor, the Sohal, and Maroon Clown in a 75.
<wow... the angel
and the Sohal really should outgrow this tank within a year or die of
complications from the crowding. The tank is simply too small my friend.
Bob and the WWM gang are just getting back from the Red Sea and have
images fresh in their minds of nearly 2 foot long Sohals and foot long
Emperors... your tang does not need another fish. You may need a
shoehorn soon however, to get them out... heehee. Really, though... you
don't want these fish to suffer from the crowding...please do not add
any new fish in the interim. Your big boys will grow so fast already no
matter how small they are>
I was thinking that a larger Orange
Dottyback would look great in there. Is it "too much" fish for my clown?
I notice that aggressive natured fish tend to do better with the
Emperor.
<the tank size is definitely an influence>
The Maroon
has never been afraid of him and as a result is the ONLY fish he's never
gone after. The Sohal introduction could have gone horribly except for
the fact that it got right in the angels face and as a result things
have been pretty good....still the Emperors tank though. I have LOTS of
liverock.
<Ahhh... even less swimming space <G>>
I don't know how
many lbs because I always get a piece at a time, but I'm sure it's way
more then 50. Any particular Dottyback you would recommend? Or none?
Thanks buddy. Rick
<yes, none... and I do not mean to sound too
critical my friend. I know that you are a very empathetic aquarist. But
do take the advice to heart. Best regards, Anthony>
Dottyback
Intervention...
Mr. Fenner,
<Scott F. with you today!>
I
have a question about housing two fish together. I'm not getting a good
feel from what I'm reading. I've read that Dottybacks shouldn't be kept
fairy wrasses, as the Dottybacks will even harass them.
<Ounce for
ounce, these guys can be the nastiest fishes around!>
However, I've
also read about how gregarious the orchid Dottyback is. Can I put an
orchid with an expensive Cirrhilabrus species, or will they bother each
other? 48"x18" 75g tank.
<The orchid, or fridmani Dottyback is
definitely more sociable than some of its relatives, however, I'd still
keep an eye on things and prepare to intervene if it becomes necessary.
With plenty of hiding spaces and rockwork to create and divide
territories, I think you should do okay. Perhaps you could add the
Dottyback later in the game, or even last- to reduce or eliminate any
potential problems. Good luck!>
There's A New Dottyback In The
Neighborhood
Pseudochromis diadema: I presently have this fish
in quarantine. Will it bother my fire goby in 55 gallon reef system?
Thank you, Miguel
<It's really hard to say, Miguel. Pseudochromids
are some of the toughest fish in the ocean, ounce for ounce! If there
are plenty of hiding spaces for everyone, there is a good chance that
you won't have too much trouble with this combo. I would be a lot more
concerned if you were adding the Firefish to a tank where the diadema
was already in residence! With enough food, territory, and open space,
this can work out. Do keep a close eye on things just to make sure, and
take quick action to remove somebody if it becomes necessary! Take
care! Scott F.>
P. fridmani compatibility with Firefish and royal
Gramma?
Hi bob (and crew!),
<Hola!>
I have a fridmani, a
yellow tang, and two clownfish in a 65g with plenty of rockwork. do you
think either a pair of Firefish or a royal Gramma would be bothered much
by the fridmani?
<Mmm, too likely a problem with either>
I've
heard the fridmani may have a more even temper out of the Pseudochromis
family; have you had any experience mixing them with Firefish or
grammas? thanks!
<Well, actually as the family of Dottybacks go,
Fridmani are about "medium" in terms of territoriality/aggression (being
tank bred nowadays), but still... they don't like fishes that are
similar appearing or that occupy their niche. Bob Fenner>
- Javier
Blue fish
Thank for the reply. I like the look of the
Pseudochromis fridmani, but it sounds like it is pretty
aggressive. <You’re probably thinking of the pseudo. Porphyreus as the
fridmani usually stays pretty peaceful.> Will I have trouble in the
future if I introduce a new fish? <You should be ok as long as you don’t
overstock.> I don't plan on adding other fish, but unfortunately they do
die and need replaced eventually.>
While I have your attention, I'd
like to ask you about a colt coral. I already have a Rasta coral, but
I've read that the colt coral is somewhat toxic in a reef
aquarium. Is this true? Should I not add a colt coral? <I’m not
familiar with the Rasta coral but as long as it is a soft coral and they
are placed at least 6” from each other they should be fine. Cody>
Thank you for your time and help!
Jeff
Dottyback in a small
crowded space
Hi Bob and crew, you guys are the best. I have
always wanted a Dottyback/Pseudo but I have been apprehensive because of
their notorious personalities. Just when I forget about them, I see one
in the store that is just awesome to watch. I thought that at the least
I would ask you your opinion on the matter. Currently I have:
30
gallon tank with:
45-55 lbs premium Fiji live rock
1 Halichoeres
chrysus
1 percula clownfish (true)
1 pistol shrimp
1 cleaner
shrimp.
1 Linckia starfish
1 Cryptocentrus leptocephalus
1
Midas Blenny
Assorted tiny blue leg hermit crabs. All of the above
fish are very small in size.
My question is: Could I add a Dottyback,
and if on the odd chance it may be a possibility, would I be best off
with the orchid Dottyback (because they are considered to be more docile
than most)?
Could I add a springeri
Dottyback to my current tank?
<The Orchid would be better... but... your tank is really getting
crowded... any chance of a bigger one coming soon? Bob Fenner>
Thank you very much for your time. You guys do a tremendous service
to hobbyists and fish alike.
Marine fish compatibility
In the interest of marine life, and the expertise of WWM, could an
orchid Dottyback co-exist with a fairy wrasse? I don't want anyone
chasing anyone else in the tank. It's a 75g with lots of liverock.
Thanks
<likely fine under the circumstances... Orchids are quite
peaceful... and enough fairy wrasses are too. The tank is large enough.
DO be sure to QT all new fishes... if buying both at once, a clear
divider in QT will give you your answer right quick. Best regards,
Anthony>
Shrimp and the dotty...
07/15/03
<Hi James,
PF with you tonight>
Hi, I want to thank all of you first of all for
all of your help and support. You all are doing a great job! I have
several questions for you. I have a 75 gallon saltwater tank (fish
only). I have been considering getting a couple of shrimp but was told
that many fish (even the peaceful ones I have) may try to eat the
shrimp. I have a pair of clowns and in the future plan on a bi-color
Dottyback, a dwarf angel and a flame Hawkfish. What are your thoughts
about adding shrimp to a tank with these fish? Are the fire red shrimp
hardy and do they come out with the tank light on? How many would you
recommend in a 75 gallon tank? Also, Is there any type of butterfly
fish that would be suitable
for beginners and are very hardy? I was
considering a pair of the black and white ones. Thank you in advance
for your help.
James
<Thanks James, it's what we're here for. On
to your questions.
Shrimp and Dottybacks (well, most any fish
actually) are a crap shoot. My two orchids lived peacefully with my
cleaner and peppermints till I bought two more cleaners (in a 75g), and
then they hunted them all down and ripped them to shreds. Go figure. The
Hawkfish though, rules them out. It will eat them.
The fire shrimp
come from cooler waters than most reef tanks, in the low 70's (there
from deeper in the reefs (IIRC, under 100'), thus their higher price,
red color, and preference for cooler waters.
As for butterfly's, I
would recommend a Klein's Butterfly Chaetodon kleinii, hardy and they
stay relatively small.
Have a good night, PF>
Pseudochromis
fuscus
>I am in the process of stocking my 135 gallon reef tank
with livestock. I impulsively bought (zero research, I know, very
stupid of me) a fish sold as a "yellow grouper" over the weekend.
It
appears that this a yellow Dottyback, Pseudo. fuscus. I would to
eventually add cleaner (and other) shrimp to my tank. Will this fish eat
cleaner shrimp (and others)?
>>This animal doesn't get very large, so
I would think the different Lysmata spp. (and similar in size/habits)
would do alright. Of greater concern is interspecific aggression, watch
this animal when introducing other fish! Marina
>Love your site!
Thanks in advance. Dave
-Springer's pseudo-
Hey Gang,
Hope y'all are having a wonderful day! <Actually, it's been raining ALL
DAY LONG. :) > I recently bought a Pseudochromis springeri, it was sold
as a "neon goby", for $15. <Oooo, sounds like a PetCo thing! I hope it
was tank raised as they're readily available and hardy as nails.> I've
read conflicting info about these fish, everything from "nastier than
Damsels" to "nicest fish in the waters". this one I got seems to be very
peaceful & seems to be searching constantly for food, possibly bristle
worms (?) <Been known to eat small ones> At this time, it's a tiny
(1.5") fish that is a great addition to my 70g softy reef. What are
Anthony's opinion, or any of the fine crew members <Fine Kevin at your
service!> , regarding the species?
<I think they're great little reef
fish. Could be a problem with fish of similar size, even a bit larger.
They've even been known to gobble up a small shrimp here and there, so
be wary about the size of new tank additions. Good luck! -Kevin>
Thanks, Scott in Denver.
-Green wolf eel with an appetite for
flesh-
We're having a problem with our Green wolf eel. It has
eaten 2 Lunar wrasses 1 4 inches and the other 6 inches. <Ouch!> The eel
is 14 inches. Would a Niger Trigger fish be OK with it or can you
recommend another fish? <Triggers are pretty precarious to swallow, but
you may want to choose a more aggressive species. this selection would
depend on the adult size of the trigger and the size of your tank.> We
also have a Dog Face Puffer and a Yellow Eyed Tang. The Puffer and the
Tang seem to be fighting
also. But I think it more of a territorial
dispute since the Tang is new. <If the tank is too small, they may
dispute indefinitely. Since the tang is new, however, a little bickering
is expected. Hope this helps! -Kevin> Any help would be appreciative
Dotty back with a shrimp!
I've read that splendid Dottybacks can
be know to go after some shrimp. Are any shrimp safe with this fish or
would my skunk cleaner shrimps most likely be left alone? I have two of
those and would like to keep them if you know what I mean.<I would say
you should be fine, these guys are usually pretty peaceful. Cody>
Orchid Dottyback
Help!
<Sure>
I went to my LFS and got an
Orchid Dottyback.
After getting home I started doing some research
(because I don't trust what the LFS salesperson says) and many sites are
saying that I will have problems with the Orchid Dottyback when
introducing new fish.
<That's the problem when you do research after
you have already bought the fish. Always do research before hand!>
I
don't know what to do. I have a 55 gal, about 50# of LR, and only a
tomatoe clown and six-line wrasse.
I just started this tank about 2
mos. ago.
The guy at the LFS told me he would be fine but now I am
worried. If I keep him in the tank what else can I put in with him that
he will not harass?
<Almost any fish will harass newcomers in an
aquarium - it's a way to establish territory. Unfortunately, some of
these Dottybacks can be quite aggressive to new tankmates. To prevent
some harassment towards new fish, I would recommend redoing the rockwork
right before you add in your new fish specimen. By doing so, the fish
will both get an equal chance to get their territory which will
therefore prevent fighting which may have occurred. Other than that,
there's really not much else you can do other than to take the fish back
to the pet store, or, to find a temporary home for the Dottyback until
you have gotten the fish you plan to buy (Remember that it's important
not to rush when buying fish. It can take several months to establish
the correct biological load for some species of fish)>
Thanks for
your help.
<No problem. Graham.>
Steene's Pseudochromis
I recently purchased what I was told is a "Steene's Pseudochromis. I've
searched the web for information on this type of Pseudochromis and
haven't been able to find anything. Additionally I haven't been able to
find a picture of a Pseudochromis that looks like what I bought.
It's hard to describe a fish, but it's most distinguishing
characteristic is it's yellow head and dark almost black body. It also
looks to have fairly large teeth, but it may just be the color of the
mouth that appears to look like teeth.
Have you ever heard of a
"Steene's Pseudochromis?
<Yes, our pix and coverage are here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudoch.htm named in honor of Roger
Steene... a meanie! More on fishbase.org
Bob Fenner>
Thanks
Phil
Re: Pseudochromis (steenei)
Thanks for your
reply. Shortly after sending you the email we found the information on
your website. We added him and a blue sided wrasse to our tank that
contained a clown and damsel and all of them seemed to get along well
enough. We added a blenny yesterday in an attempt to control an algae
problem and the Pseudochromis showed his true colors.
Are there any
fish that can be added to the tank that can handle this Pseudochromis?
Phil Johnson
<Only larger, more aggressive, faster fishes. Perhaps a
few generations of successive culture will soften this species
disposition to be more like P. splendens. Bob Fenner>
Dottyback Compatibility
Guys,<Howdy!>
My 72G tank has 6
Lysmata shrimp, two hermit crabs and a Banggai cardinal with some eye
"fungus" that appears to be in stable condition. I also have one false
percula clown in QT that is two weeks away from being released in to the
72G. Basically I have my hands full... I went to the LFS to get some
salt mix and saw a gorgeous Pseudochromis fridmani in a tank full of
tomato clowns that were shredding it one fin ray at a time!!! I feel bad
for him and want to purchase him. I've read that these guys are not as
aggressive as most Dottybacks. So, do you feel that he would get along
with the clown, cardinal and the shrimp -especially the shrimp?
<He
should be fine but just keep an eye on him. These guys are hardy so I
bet he would pull through fine.>
I also have a 30G with one 3 inch
blue devil damsel and one coral banded shrimp. I'm pretty sure that
won't be any better than his current situation.<Probably not since the
damsel is established. Cody>
Thank you,
Narayan
Dottyback Compatibility II
Thanks Cody!<You Bet!>
The
Dottyback is in QT right now. I hope I don't regret this, but rather
than leave the clown in the QT with the Dottyback, I moved him to the
display after only 2 weeks of QT since he 'seemed' fine. <Good to hear!
Good luck! Cody>
Narayan
Dottybacks
Hi!
<< Hi. >>
I would like to ask for your opinions and expert advise,
as you have shown throughout this fantastic website. My Orchid Dottyback
passed away....=T, I am really sad about it. While I was cleaning the
tank and changing the water, it flew right out of the tank, and died!
I've had him or her for at least half a year, which makes this event
even more to handle. I would like to buy a new orchid Dottyback, except
this time I was curious if the sunrise Dottyback would be a better
choice. << Not better, about the same. The best advise I can give here
is to see if you can get a tank raised Dottyback since they are becoming
more and more common. >> Could I possibly buy the two as
long as I
put them in at the same time, because I would like to have 2, an d
there is plenty of live rock. << If there is lots of food and space I
say yes. >> If not, could I get a pair, either orchid, or
sunrise?
<< I think a mix would be better than trying to get a pair. >>
Thanks...
<< Blundell >>
Orchid Dottyback
Thank you
for your quick response. I have many fish still living. Lyretail
Anthias which thanks to my Dottyback only has one eye, a lot of gobies
around 15-20, blood shrimp, cleaner shrimp. All live fine. I have 25
corals that are all doing extremely well. I recently removed an orchid
Dottyback from my tank. I was thinking that due to it's aggressive
nature that it could of been the culprit. Do you think this lil'
bastard could of been the reason I was losing fish? My water parameters
are proper.
thank you
From the desk of Graham Bishop
>>>Orchid Dottybacks are not normally very aggressive, and it is
doubtful that it was responsible for your fish deaths. Make sure you
have an orchid (P. fridmani) and not another, more belligerent species.
Jim<<<
Steene's Dottyback temperament
Hey Mr. Fenner, I
was reading your web page on Pseudochromis and saw that you think the
Pseudochromis steenei is a complete terror. I really like this fish
and really wanted to get it for my 65g FOWLR tank. I have a percula
clown, two Chromis, one hippo tang, two cleaner shrimp, and Eibli angel
and a fairy wrasse in my tank rite now. Do you think I mite have a
shot with this fish not being a terror since he's one of the last ones
in putting in and the other fish have already established territory, or
do u think I should take the chance? I put a deposit down on this fish
so if possible, I'd like to get a reply ASAP.
Thanks a lot,
Chris
<I wouldn't risk it... but one can never tell. If you decide
to get this fish, I would do so on a day when you can place it early,
and have some means of separating it if WW III breaks out. Bob Fenner>
Pseudochromis fridmani compatibility 8/30/04
Hey all,
<cheers>
Came back researching on your fantastic site again, but
couldn't exactly find what I needed in amongst all the expanses of
information... So I thought I would ask one of you fabulous people to
help me out... I have a 3 foot tank (approximately 45-50 gallons). The
tank has a 2.5 inch sand bed, and a lot of live rock (exact weight
unknown). The tanks current inhabitants are a Lawnmower Blenny, an
Orchid Dottyback (Pseudochromis fridmani) and a pair of coral banded
shrimp (along with various clean up crew (that are slowly being eaten by
my CBS))... I would really like to get a royal Gramma (Gramma loreto),
but am worried about the Dottyback psyching out on the Gramma.
<hmmm... or the Gramma establishing and being aggressive towards the
peaceful Fridman's>
If its not possible to have the Dottyback and
Gramma together, could you possibly give some suggestions for other
fish?
<the list of useful and attractive marine fishes numbers in
the hundreds perhaps. Do express some personal preference here mate.
Take a browse through a good aquarium atlas and see what appeals to you.
Scott Michaels pocket guide to "Marine Fishes" is excellent here>
I've had both Ocellaris and Percula clownfish (both Perculas were wiped
out by clownfish disease a few weeks ago, I have carefully monitored the
fridmani and blenny, but they don't seem afflicted, but were put into
quarantine/hospital tanks and medicated anyway, just in case). There are
SOME pygmy angels I like, such as the Rusty Angel, and the Flame Angel,
but I've heard its rumoured that they might nip at my corals as well as
nip at clams,
<possible yes... but then, most blennies are also not
reef safe for the same reasons over time>
and I plan on getting a
clam in future. I was also thinking of getting a Cleaner Wrasse or
something (the CBS prefer to attack the fish as opposed to cleaning
them. They used to clean them but don't do it anymore).
<no cleaner
wrasses please... dismal survival on import if nothing else>
Any
suggestions would be welcome.
<Lysmata cleaner shrimps are best here
perhaps>
Thanks for all the previous advice you've given me, and all
the future advice I'm sure to get from your site! The site rocks!
Laney
<best of luck, Anthony>
Pseudochromis companion
Well, we learned a lesson that we thought we already knew - research
every purchase before you make it! We recently added a Pseudochromis
porphyreus to our 20g reef tank.
<Yikes...>
Existing
inhabitants were an Ocellaris Clown and a Sixline Wrasse. We had read
some about it, just not as in depth as we normally like to. We were
aware of the reputation of the Pseudochromis, but felt that being added
last that the other two would be able to work things out. Not so. The
Pseudochromis really went nuts on the wrasse, kicking him out of his
home and then harassing him to no end. We have since moved the wrasse
into another tank in the system (a couple 10g that are plumbed in with
it). He's recovering (quite happily, I might add since the pod
population in the tank he is in was quite large).
In any case, the
Pseudochromis doesn't pay any attention to the clown, and the clown has
nothing more than his usual curiosity for the Pseudochromis. My real
question is what other fish might we be able to add that would work out
with the two already in there?
<Doubtful most anything... in such
small quarters... especially if/with the Dottyback there first>
Either something that the other two will ignore, or something that can
stand up to the Pseudochromis can stand up to yet won't harass them
either. We were thinking about a small angel of some variety. Any help
much appreciated.
Ben
<A brief couple of declarative statements.
Pseudochromids are by and large "testy"... with some species being
pretty consistent terrors! Though there are some species that almost
always "get along" with fishes of dissimilar shape, habitat
(particularly if they are amongst the growing number that are cultured,
captive bred), there should always be allowance for possible
ultra-antagonism... and they should be the last livestock added. Either
trade this specimen in for another more easygoing Pseudochromid species,
or seek other livestock types completely. Bob Fenner>
Orchid
with bristles
Hey, thanks a lot for telling me that Dottybacks or
Pseudochromis are good predators of bristle worms. I was lucky enough to
find 3 in the store, but they did not get a long.
<No... most
Pseudochromis are territorial with their own or similar shaped,
habitat-using life>
So I considered about buying one of them. To my
surprise there was only one left the following day for an astonishing
price of 10 dollars ( Canadian). Quickly I bought him. I am a bit
curious if I could get another orchid Dottyback...?
<Not a good idea
unless you have a large system... a hundred gallons or more>
In some
books I heard that in this situation you would buy a bigger one. The
final question is will an my orchid Dottyback be able to eat big bristle
worms as he grows, because today he attempted to bite one, but it was
much too thick...? I also have a growing six line wrasse; will it eat
them too? Thanks!
<They are not able to eat larger worms... some
Polychaetes grow to more than a few feet, pounds. Bob Fenner>
Pseudochromid compatibility and Banggai cardinal breeding 12/16/04
I have a few important issues regarding my aquarium. Firstly, I just
added a pair of sunrise Dottybacks( a definite pair!),
<I believe
it... if they are not trying to kill each other, then they most likely
are a pair>
and a orchid Dottyback,
<a poor choice mixing
Pseudochromids, and this one prefers to be in shoals>
to accompany
the existing one. However, this orchid seems to be quite aggressive, but
its size is not as big as the old one. There is definitely
enough hiding spaces, will killing be an issue over a duration of time.
<very likely... do separate them please>
Also, I have a 10 gallon
mini tank with two Banggais which I purchased about 2 months ago. The
purpose was to achieve success in the breeding of these fish. Recently I
added a flame Hawkfish in hopes to quicken this activity and one week
later boom! Today one of my Banggais mouth was super full it, it was
sticking out, and it kept on trying to keep something in its mouth by
opening a bit and closing. If I am not mistaken is the male carrying
babies.
If so what methods, procedures, and materials do I need.
<there are many thorough spawning reports on this fish at big message
boards like reefcentral.com as well as the Breeders Registry reports
online... do some keyword searches my friend and enjoy the journey
towards resourceful enlightenment>
How much preparation time will be
needed (the flame Hawkfish might eat everything.)
<remove the
Hawkfish, mate... its too aggressive and the tank is too small>
Another concern is will the fish even make it through this time span
(these fish do not seem very old, the male has a super long fin though.)
Food is also another concern, there is no place where I can find baby
brine shrimp or live ones.... Thanks.....
<no worries... the babies
are large enough to eat fine dry foods... mail order online some
freeze-dried and frozen Cyclop-eeze. Best of luck! Anthony>
Mixing Pseudochromid species... yikes! 12/16/04
Hey, In
accordance to your previous reply, my newly added orchid Dottyback did
not get killed by the older orchid Dottyback other. I don't think
removing them is a wise process.
<ahhh... OK. But do consider the
long term (months/years) and not short term (days/weeks). And you did
ask us for advise, right?>
However, the old Dottyback occasionally
attempts to nip at the other one's tail, but never actually follows the
Dottyback for a long time. Is this a big issue to be concerned with,
Thanks!
<ahhh... this was exactly the point of my first e-mail and
seems to contradict your previous estimation that the separation is not
"wise". This would be the second time I am suggesting you separate the
fishes... Pseudochromids generally do not mix well or play nicely
together. Anthony>
Dottyback, when are you coming back?
Hey fellows,
<And the few women here>
My orchid Dottyback
totally disappeared...Hard to imagine, but it's just gone. I lifted the
rocks and sands and no trace of it. It didn't jump out because I looked
on the ground and everywhere else.
<Mmm, do you have a (smiling)
kitty?... Might have exited stage right and flipped into another
area...>
I believe it either died and was devoured, or just
devoured. The possibilities are a flame Hawkfish (very peaceful towards
other tank mates), a Banggai cardinal whose fins where shredded by the
Dottyback, and a lawnmower blenny.
<Not likely any of these...
unless the Pseudochromid was tiny, the Hawk huge>
I'm also deciding
to move my flame Hawkfish into the main tank, which would make it a
fascinating addition. The only problem is that I have one large cleaner
shrimp, and mandarin dragonet. Otherwise the other fish mates are all
fairly territorial, do you think I should move the flame Hawkfish at
this moment???
<Might lose the shrimp... I don't think the Dottyback
was eaten, killed by it... may still be hiding even. Bob Fenner>
Pseudochromis fridmani
Hi,
<Hello there>
I had a
Pseudochromis porphyreus in a 450L tank with a Royal Gramma (Gramma
loreto), 2 fire gobies (Nemateleotris magnifica), 4 purple gobies
(Nemateleotris decora), 3 Anthias (Pseudanthias squamipinnis), 1 yellow
clown goby, 4 cleaner shrimp, 6 fire shrimp without any problems but I
recently lost my Pseudochromis porphyreus and was thinking of replacing
it with a Pseudochromis fridmani.
<Good to find one that is tank
bred and reared... much tougher, easier going>
For future I plan to
get:
2 Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
2 Spotted
Mandarin (Synchiropus picturatus)
<I do hope you have plenty for
these to eat, perhaps a working refugium>
2 Bicolor Blenny
(Ecsenius bicolor)
1 Fireball Angelfish (Centropyge aurantonotus)
<Very nice choices>
I was advised not to keep the
Pseudochromis fridmani with Royal Grammas, Fire Gobies or Anthias.
<Generally not fishes of similar shape, occupying similar habitats, yes>
Will the Pseudochromis fridmani kill the Royal Gramma, Fire
Gobies, Anthias, shrimps or the fish I plan to get in the future?
Thanks
Mohamed.
<I give you very good odds of all getting
along IF the Fridman's Dottyback is captive produced. Most are, though
not all. Bob Fenner>
Go Aquacultured, My Friend...1.11.05
Hi,
<Hello, Ryan handling your query.>
I had a
Pseudochromis porphyreus in a 450L tank with a Royal Gramma (Gramma
loreto), 2 fire gobies (Nemateleotris magnifica), 4 purple gobies
(Nemateleotris decora), 3 Anthias (Pseudanthias squamipinnis),1 yellow
clown goby, 4 cleaner shrimp, 6 fire shrimp without any problems but I
recently lost my Pseudochromis porphyreus and was thinking of replacing
it with a Pseudochromis fridmani.
For future I plan to get:
2
Green Mandarin (Synchiropus splendidus)
2 Spotted Mandarin
(Synchiropus picturatus)
<It will be HIGHLY difficult to even feed a
pair of any fish from the genus Synchiropus. They require live foods,
and large amounts.>
2 Bicolor Blenny (Ecsenius bicolor)
1
Fireball Angelfish (Centropyge aurantonotus)
I was advised not
to keep the Pseudochromis fridmani with Royal Grammas, Fire Gobies or
Anthias.
Will the Pseudochromis fridmani kill the Royal
Gramma, Fire Gobies, Anthias, shrimps or the fish I plan to get in the
future?
<If you can secure a tank-raised Fridmani, I'd say your
chances are good that his attitude will be passive. I've kept a captive
Fridmani for years and never had issues with aggression. I would
encourage you to try something a little more natural for the animals
involved- How about you pick an ocean, and build a list from there?>
Thanks
Mohamed.
Snowflake moray and a green wolf
2/11/05
Just a quick one, since I can't seem to find anything on
this anywhere, maybe you guys can answer it for me. Would a Snow flake
moray and a green wolf ell be able to coexist in a 46gallon bow front
tank? Thanks in advance Nick
<its rather poor mix... the green wolf
"eel" is a fast and furious eater (keep sighted) while the moray is not.
Without target feeding the latter, it may suffer over time. Do
reconsider. Anthony>