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FAQs about Lionfish Compatibility
Related Articles:
Lionfish &
Their Relatives, Keeping Lionfishes and
their Scorpaeniform Kin Part 1,
Part 2,
by Anthony Calfo and Robert Fenner,
Dwarf Lionfishes,
Related FAQs: Lionfishes & their Relatives, Lions
2, Lions 3, Lions 4, Dwarf
Lionfishes, Lionfish
Selection, Lionfish Behavior,
Lionfish Feeding,
Mouth size? Food item.
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With Puffers?
With Large Angels?
With Morays?
With other large predatory fishes?
With smaller than mouth-size fishes;
e.g. Clowns, Damsels?
Cleaner organisms?
Other fishes? |
Generally a poor idea... they eat all the food... may nip, eat the
Lion/s.
Perhaps not.
Too likely to get poked and def. not w/ large piscivorous species.
Usually no. Get bullied, can't compete for food.
Yumster!
As food items...
Likely inhaled eventually
May poke, sting... if crowded, or inexperienced/unfamiliar |
Lionfish... comp.
6/23/08
Hello!
<Hello!>
I am hopefully soon getting a Lionfish and I was wondering about the types of
fish and things that I can have in the tank.
<Check out this great 2-part article by messieurs Calfo and Fenner:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i2/lionfish/keeping_lionfishes.htm >
I know that I have to get rid of the small fish I currently have in the tank.
I also have boxing crabs, hermit crabs, a starfish and a decorator crab.
I do not care if the Lionfish eats the hermit crabs.
<The lionfish would- a lion will most likely suck them down shell and all, and
this would not be good for the fish>
The boxing crabs hide in little cracks in my live rock so I think/hope they'd be
safe.
Do I need to get rid of the decorator crab? I want to keep the starfish if
possible - its about medium to large size.
<As long as you provide the lion with other, quality foods predation on these
should be limited>
I have a Tennent tang as well - do you think if i got a Lionfish that having
both of those together would be too much for a 60 gallon tank?
<Ahh....yes. I hate to be the harbinger of piscine doom, but a lionfish in a
60gal just won't work long term. Keep in mind that this fish can get longer than
your aquarium is deep- the poor thing couldn't turn around!>
The tang is about 5" long.
Thank you for your help!!
<No problem. Sorry to bring bad news- or give you an excuse to buy a
200gal...perspective, eh? Benjamin>
Compatibility and Design Questions Yet
Again…a Lionfish Dominated FOWLR Tank – 06/16/08
Thank you very much for devoting your time, and for so long a time, to
helping out the hobby by providing this service. It's truly inspirational and
greatly appreciated.
<<Thank you…we are very glad to be here/to be of service, Jeff. And you have my
apologies for the tardiness of this reply>>
My questions regard fishes that I don't have for a tank that I haven't yet
purchased.
<<Ah! The dreaming/planning stages are so fun, yes?>>
Every time I think that I've got a tank design settled, I read something on your
site that highlights a misconception or an oversight on my part.
<<But kudos to you for researching beforehand. And do let me suggest you broaden
your searching by looking to other sources along with your research on WWM. As
much as we like what we say here at WWM [grin], it’s best to not limit yourself
to any “one” resource>>
And thank you very much for that.
<<We’re happy to share>>
I'd rather sacrifice time in the research phase than do it in real time with
actual animals.
<<All is precious (even our/your time)…but proper research is a “necessary”
function…and can even be quite enjoyable>>
What I've done is to decide on the fish I want to keep, then work "backwards" to
figure out the system necessary to properly house them.
<<Very good…and maybe this is obvious, but… do also look closely at your fish
selection for compatibility/suitability. I won’t be of much use to design the
system around the fish if they can’t cohabitate>>
A Volitans Lionfish is top of the list.
<<My favorite among the Lionfishes>>
I still vividly remember walking into that fish store as a youngster and
immediately standing in front of a large hex tank with a lion looking directly
at me, fins splayed and being told that it was venomous. Spectacular.
<<Agreed, and if I may share… My enthrallment with the saltwater side of the
hobby began with the site of a tank chock-full of 1” Blue Damsels against a
background of white gravel and bleached-white coral (yes, I hail from the days
of undergravel-filters in saltwater tanks), though I long since learned this is
hardly a feasible (or responsible) display>>
Similarly, I remember seeing pictures in a book in dad's library showing a moray
eel, mouth agape and full of needle-like teeth.
<<Mmm, yes…and I remember many an enjoyable evening watching ‘The Undersea World
of Jacques Cousteau’>>
It sent a shiver down my back. So, I would like one of those too. Since then, I
have learned about and am also drawn to Tuskfish and triggers.
<<Hmm, I hope this is just a list of “favorites”…and not what you plan to keep
“together”>>
Then I read that apparently, the only way to responsibly own a trigger of any
sort, is in a specimen tank.
<<Ah, well…not exactly…in my opinion. There are several species that can often
be kept with other fishes (e.g. – Xanthichthys, Rhinecanthus), but I don’t
generally suggest Triggerfishes with Lionfishes>>
Nuts! Perhaps that will be my (possible) second tank.
<<There ya go>>
Then I read that a moray and a Volitans are not a good match.
<<Depends much on the species of eel I think…but this seems to be the popular
school of thought>>
There goes the moray. Nuts again!
<<Another tank? [grin]>>
Am I okay with the Volitans and the Tuskfish?
<<Should be fine…in a big enough tank>>
I'm now considering a Miniatus Grouper.
<<Mmm…>>
Will that go well with the other two?
<<As long as it isn’t big enough to eat them…can reach about 20” in the wild>>
Finally, I would love to have a Queen Angel, however I'm not going to be able to
turn my living room into an aquarium, and they sound too aggressive for the
other fish on the list anyway. Would a French or Blueface Angel work with this
group?
<<The Blueface can be “touchy” or hard to keep, but given plenty of space, the
French Angel would make a spectacular addition…in my opinion>>
Given this group of four (Volitans, Tuskfish, Miniatus, Angel), will a 240g (72
x 30 x 25) suffice?
<<Yes…though probably “just.” And it will certainly need some good ancillary
filtration>>
I am planning on about 200# of LR,
<<Be careful not to overdue this… While you will certainly need to provide some
caves/dark places for the Lionfish and Grouper…it is important to maintain lots
of “swimming room” as well>>
a 65g sump, ATB medium cone skimmer,
<<An interesting design…I would be very interested in your appraisal of this
skimmer>>
and a large RDSB. Am I even in the ballpark?
<<I think you are, yes…but do also consider a canister filter for chemical
filtration (carbon or Poly-Filter), as well as a fluidized-bed filter to assist
with biological filtration>>
One fear I'm having is that this is getting out of control.
<<Is easy to do>>
Maybe this all boils down to: should a Volitans be in a specimen tank?
<<Not necessarily…as long as you make your choices (livestock and setup) with
this animal’s needs/well-being in mind>>
Thanks much,
Jeff
<<Quite welcome…let me know how things progress. Regards, Eric Russell>>
Spiny Box Puffer and Radiata Lionfish,
in/comp. 4/11/08
Hey folks, My name is Jordan and I'm new to marine aquariums but I learned
early on that homework is a crucially important role in the well being and
longevity of your fish and aquarium.
<Hi Jordan, Pufferpunk here. Well put!>
Anyway, I've been searching all over the web and I've so far gathered only
speculation not much personal experience so here goes:
Question: Are Spiny box puffers compatible with Radiata Lion fish?
<I kept my juvenile Spiny boxfish (Chilomycterus schoepfi), with a dwarf fuzzy
lion in a 40g tank & they ignored each other. As far as the Radiata lionfish ,
are you sure you’ll be able to find one for sale? The Radiata Lionfish is not
available in the shops as often as other Lionfishes and because of this is more
expensive and highly sought after by saltwater hobbyists. Radiata Lionfish are
very similar looking to the Antennata Lionfish (Pterois antennata) but is
distinguished by the horizontal lines on the caudal peduncle. Lionfish in
general are usually fairly hardy but they do need excellent filtration and
highly oxygenated water provided through the use of powerheads and airstones. My
other concern would be that Spiny boxfish have a poor rate of survival in
captivity, due to most coming in with severe internal parasites (needing to be
treated several times to totally irradiate them) & then getting them to eat. You
may have a difficult time getting your Radiata lionfish to start eating also.>
System Information: I have a 75 gallon tank with an Emperor 400 filter, 100 LBS
of sand substrate (50lbs non live sand underneath 50 lbs of live sand.) 50 lbs
of live rock. Will continue to add porous non-live rock. The tank is in day 6
since I've added the live rock. It is still cycling. I will cycle for about 3-4
weeks to allow for the die off to be filtered out and the ammonia levels to
stabilize. My water clarity is crystal clear SG is at a stable 1.023 and pH is
sitting at an optimal 8.3. Running a particulate filter and after week one I
will add the carbon filter in addition to the particulate. I will add the live
rock nutrients in week 2 to allow for better live rock health.
<Not necessary.>
I have a single runner light set up with a full spectrum fluorescent bulb. A
foot long bubbler tube on the back glass of the tank centered behind the rock.
<A freshwater HOB filter isn’t generally on a marine tank, unless you want to
use it for chemical filtration. I suggest a good protein skimmer instead.>
What I'm thinking: Since the lionfish enjoys darker environments and the puffer
fish enjoy brightly lit aquariums, I'd do a semi-opaque plastic insert in half
of the bulb runner to dim down half of the tank.
<Better idea: Radiata lionfish are nocturnal in the wild and like to hang out in
caves and crevices so it's a good idea to try and replicate this in the home
aquarium. Create a cave with the live rock in your tank to make them feel
secure. Once they are acclimated to the tank and more comfortable with their
surroundings they should come out more and hide less.>
I was planning on having clown fish in the tank for about 2-3 weeks prior to
adding the puffer and lionfish to ensure a
stable bio system and that the tank is well established.
<Not necessary if you are regularly testing the water. Ammonia will spike, then
nitrite & after the nitrate spikes & ammonia/nitrite are 0, you can do a large
water change, bringing down the nitrate & add your fish.>
If it turns out that they will co-habitate well, I will add them into the tank
together on the same day. For diet I was thinking of feeding them saturated
brine or ghost shrimp (I've heard ghost are equally viable for marine or fresh
water) for their staple. The only thing I can think of is that the puffer would
eat all the shrimp before the Radiata would have a chance to feed. Also they
will grow to similar size and the other fish that I would add would generally be
no smaller than 4" ideally.
<Live foods are a good start to getting these fish to eat, as this is what they
are used to in the wild. You really need to get them onto more nutritious meaty
(dead) foods (& crunchy foods, for the puffer’s teeth) ASAP. This can be
time-consuming, as you will have to bounce foods off a thread for each of these
fish for some time, before they recognize it as food.>
Also, in the future I will be adding more porous non-live rock into the tank to
create more hiding places and even add a few slab rocks to allow for caves.
<I’d get that décor (cave) set, before adding the fish.>
The other fish I would add into the tank would be Damsels any non-aggressive
species larger than 4" to avoid them becoming din-din for the Radiata or the
puffer.
<Anything smaller than the lion can become a potential dinner.>
At smaller sizes I'm sure that the 75 gallon tank would be sufficiently large to
cut down on territorial disputes. I am intending to upgrade to a 125/250 gallon
tank a year or so down the road also. I generally do not want fish larger than 1
foot so the community would be a large community of 4-6" fish in exception to
the puffer mayhap a second stripped burr fish (which I'm positive you know is
the same thing as a spiny box puffer.)
<My concern would be that the puffer can grow to a foot & will create quite a
large bioload in any tank. I highly suggest plumbing in as large a sump as you
can fit & include a well-functioning refugium. It is not recommended to keep 2
similar puffers together in the same tank. 1 spiny & 1 smooth (like a dogface)
would be better.>
I am looking for personal experiences more than speculation. I am looking
forward to the feedback, as your site is very helpful. Thank you.
<I recently had to give up my Spiny boxfish. I rescued it at a tiny 2” & knew
I’d never have sufficient room to keep him. I have kept many, many puffers in my
time & this fish was by far, my favorite of all time! The friendliest, most
personable, CUTEST puffer, I’ve ever had the joy of having in my care. He never
killed any of my shrimp, snails or crabs & never was hassled by the dwarf lion.
Stating that, every puffer is different. Puffers are known for their constant
fin-nipping, especially of fish with long flowing fins. Be warned… ~PP>
125 gallon FOWLR
Compatibility/Lionfish And Puffer 4/10/08
Hello:
<Hi Paul>
First let me say that you have an awesome website, I visit your website quite
often.
<Thank you.>
I am currently setting up a 125 gallon FOWLR AGA aquarium and plan on putting in
there a six inch Volitans Lionfish and a six inch Black Dog Face Puffer, both of
which are currently in separate quarantine tanks. Is this size tank big enough
for both of these fish (it will just be the two in the tank - won't add any
more)? Also, is this a good mix of fish? I am also adding 100 to 110 lbs. of
live rock.
<Your tank is plenty large enough for these two fish and you should not have any
compatibility problems.><<Mmmmm. RMF>>
Thanks for your time.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Paul
Prospective 75g Set up...
Lion comp. – 03/07/08
Hi WWM Crew,
<Chris>
I am looking at purchasing a 75 gallon tank that I want to set up as a FOWLR
tank. The tank that I am going to buy is already completely set up and running
with water, LR and all the equipment (protein skimmer, penguin BioWheel, etc.)
The guy is moving away and I am just going to take
everything over. I already have a couple of 8 gallon BioCubes so I am not
totally new to saltwater, but I haven't had them long either, but now I am
hooked.
<Join the club!>
My question is, I would like to get some lionfish in there, how viable is maybe
doing the tank with 1 Fuzzy dwarf, 1 Fu Manchu dwarf, and 1 zebra
dwarf?
<Could be done>
Will they fight with each other? Second, is there a good clean-up crew that will
survive these fish?
<You>
Other possible plans include 1 Russell's Lion and some other colorful active
fish (any suggestions?).
<For you to read>
Can I do a Russell's Lion with a dwarf lion and maybe like one other active
fish?
<Really gets too big for a 75...>
Any other suggestions on what other fish would be good in there,
compatibility-wise? 75 gal. seems big to me, but I know it is not when
talking SW. Still in the planning stages and wanted to get some input.
Thanks!
Chris
<Keep reading... Maybe start here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/index.htm
About the fifth tray down... Lionfishes, compatibility... Bob Fenner>
Snowflake eel; comp –
02/29/08
Hi, my name is Jiahua
<Hi Jiahua.>
and I have a few questions concerning predatory tanks. I am a beginner in marine
aquariums, but have done a great amount of research.
<Good to hear.>
My 40 gallon tank consists of
1 18 in. snowflake moray
1 sand sifting sea star
<Hope the system is old enough and has enough sand to support this star.>
I have pvc tubing for my moray and 10 pounds of live rock (that I will get
more).
My question is that I saw a small 5 inch snowflake moray and a dwarf lionfish at
my LFS and I was wondering if I can put either in without my original snowflake
eating them.
<It may work if you are very lucky, but I certainly would not place the smaller
moray in there. Small Snowflake eels in fact have been regurgitated by slightly
larger Snowflakes, so they can be cannibalistic towards smaller conspecifics.
The dwarf lion may be safe now, but not so 100% safe when the Snowflake is grown
(have you seen an adult?). I’m not a fan of keeping morays with lionfish,
although this is done often without problems. It’s the exceptions, when morays
have been stung to death or morays have killed the lionfish, that keep me from
recommending them as good tank mates. Also, I don’t think your 40 gallon tank
can take another large predator, it will get pretty small for the Snowflake
alone. I’d upgrade first before thinking about fishy tank mates (equally sized
peaceful morays, a smaller grouper species, etc.). Hope this helps, Marco.>
Lionfish sting effects on
fish 2/27/08
I recently purchased a small lionfish (red Volitans). I noticed yesterday
that my large yellow tang swimming differently. I have very good water quality,
and have been a hobbyist for 20+ yrs... I thought maybe my ammonia got a little
high because of feeding the Lionfish... thus polluting more...
<Can happen>
its been day 2 and the Tang is still swimming funny... What effect does a
lionfish sting have on fish?
<Are venomous to fishes as well...>
could it paralyze them?
<Might>
If stung, will the fish eventually shake it off?
<Have seen recoveries... and many secondary infections... One can hope, as well
as provide optimized circumstances, nutrition...>
Thanks for your time,
Dan
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Clowns and Volitans Lion,
incomp. 2/22/08
Hello, a friend of mine recently passed away and left my me his Volitans
Lionfish, it is rather young I would say around 8" or so. his children took
the rest of the fish and equipment).
<Hello Irwin, my condolences on the passing of your friend. The Volitans, like
the one you have inherited, are stunning fish.>
My LFS would not take him, they are over stocked, I have one 55 gallon fish tank
with 5 Yellow tail blue Damsels and two false Percula clowns. I have had him in
this tank for 3 days but seems to pay little attention to the clowns, the other
fish I am not so worried about they do not stay in one place for any amount of
time. The clowns do have me growing more and more worried.
<I am too.>
They were feeding him goldies, I am trying to wean him off, the pet store said
to starve him for 3-4 days and then he should start to take the frozen cubes of
shrimp and muscles.
<He will switch diets in time.>
I have gotten him to eat a feeder guppy just in hopes to spare the lives of my
poor clowns. At this time I cannot afford to purchase a
tank/equipment of at least 30 gallons to rehouse the clowns and their
hosts.....if I keep him well fed, will he continue to leave the clowns
alone, they are still rather small, or his he a ticking time bomb. I am in a
rock and a hard spot so to speak. Thanks in advance Irwin Wardly.
<Although they may coexist for a while, the odds are your clowns and damsels
will end up as meals. If a fish can fit in the Lion’s mouth, it will likely end
up there in time. I have included a few links to help you out with feeding and
compatibility info. Good luck, Scott V.>
http://wetwebmedia.com/goldfshfd.htm
http://wetwebmedia.com/lions&rels.htm
Re: tank setup, Lions, sys.
reading – 1/28/08
I read that already, I was just wondering what you thought would be a good
addition to a lionfish tank.
<None of the choices under "Lionfish Compatibility" interest you?>
I just assumed that you would be able to make a better pick than I would. I was
thinking of a Dragon wrasse because of their interesting behavior, but was
concerned that they might nip at the lionfish's fins.
<Could happen, yes>
Also, I'm not sure how to introduce them both because I can only find very small
Dragon wrasses that would get eaten.
<Perhaps one of these Razorfishes could be bought first, reared for a while. Are
quite quick growers>
And also if I introduced them at the same size would the lionfish still outgrow
the Dragon wrasse. So really, the last letter was just asking your personal
opinion on interesting fish that are compatible with the lionfish. If you could
just give me a few choices of species that you found good additions to tanks
over the years then, I could research them and chose one that is appealing to
me.
<Perhaps a Batfish/Ephippid as a center-piece? A hardy butterfly? Many choices
t/here... A medium sized bass species? Bob Fenner> Lionfish got bitten by a
puffer 01/22/2008
Hey crew I like the web site very informative.
<<Hello, Andrew here. Thank you for the comments>>
I got a 29 gal saltwater tank for Christmas I let it sit and run for a week
before I got any fish.
<<Did you cycle the fish tank? This process usually lasts for around 4 - 6
weeks>>
I have a aqua clear filter, a crushed coral base, undergravel filter and a
single powerhead. Also a couple of dead rock, a single 2.5 lbs live rock, and
various plastic plants and, a plastic log in it. I got a Volitans lionfish, a
chocolate chip star first.
<<Unfortunately, the lion fish will be too big for your tank, I would advise a
tank no less than 50 gallons to house this>>
Great fish love them. Everything is fine with the tank so far has had 2 water
changes, and is awesome. Well now I got a black clown fish on Friday, and he is
adjusting well and the lionfish don't seem to mind him either. Well today I got
a puffer , big mistake there, read online that they are fin nippers, but was
told by LFS that it would be ok.
<<Hmmm.. the things they will say to create a sale>>
Well unfortunately I got to watch as my lion was harassed, and eventually got a
fin nipped, so my question is, will the fin grow back?
<<Providing good water quality and diet, yes>>
It is a long fin that got nipped down to the first red band. I feel so bad about
it too. I have the puffer separated in a 5 gal tank am calling the LFS in the
morn to see if I can exchange it for something else. But I figured if any one
knew you all would any info you can give me in this matter would be very
appreciated thanks.
<<Would need to know which puffer it is you have. I think your making the right
decision to take this fish back for your tank size, not suitable. I would also,
as mentioned above, either exchange the Volitans or provide a larger aquarium>>
<<Thanks for the questions, A Nixon>>
Re: lionfish got bitten by a puffer
01/22/2008
Hey Andrew thanks for the info.
<No problem at all Sara>>
It was a porcupine puffer, and I know the
tanks to small but will have to do for now. Here soon I'm going to get a 40 gal
going and move the fish to it and set my smaller one up for a small reef tank,
but eventually I will have a 50 gal for the lionfish. I named him Simba btw. I'm
glad to here that it should grow back, and once again thanks for the info, its
good to know you guys are here to ask, and that you know the answers to our
questions.
<<We all enjoy helping and do our best, glad we could help..
Simba...hmmm...reminds of The Lion King. Convenient..>>
<<Thanks and all the best. A Nixon>>
Ambon Scorpionfish... Angler comp. 1/3/08
Morning crew! Just a quick question. Do you think that a 2 1/2" Antennarius
pictus (Painted Angler) would eat or attempt to eat a 2" Pteroidichthys
amboinensis (Ambon Scorpionfish)?
<Mmm, yes... have had Antennariids grab hold of my finger/s... think food/motion
of such is almost or really an autonomic reaction... Like me and pizza>
Also in the tank are a 4" Gold Stripe Maroon Clown and 3" one-eyed Dendrochirus
brachypterus (Fuzzy Dwarf Lionfish). I wanted to get another opinion before
trying to add a fish smaller than the angler. The only reason I believe the
angler would not eat the scorpion is because of just that, it's a Scorpionfish.
All fish including the Scorpionfish are eating frozen foods if that changes
anything. Thank you for the wonderful site! Brandon
<I'd get the Ambon up to a bit more size... like at least the same length...
before introducing these together. Bob Fenner> Cleaner Organisms 1/2/08
Hey Crew,
<James>
Is there any biological cleaner organisms I can put in my tank with a large
Lionfish? I have a large Raccoon Butterfly in there with some sort of white,
wormlike, burrowing parasite on his side, but I can't think of anything I can
put in there that wouldn't become an appetizer.
<Best to quarantine and treat specifically for the problem.>
Or are lions smart enough not to eat cleaner gobies/shrimp/etc?
<I don't believe they care what's on the dinner table. Never saw a Cleaner
Wrasse cleaning a Lionfish, not yet anyway. Maybe Bob has, but unlikely. James
(Salty Dog)><<None that wouldn't be potentially inhaled. RMF>>
Jim
Meal Selection For A
Lionfish/Compatibility 12/12/07
Hello Crew,
<Hi>
I had a couple questions I need to ask the experts. I have had to do some
rearranging due to the birth of our first child
<A big congrats to you.>
and need some advice. I have two tanks one is a 75 gallon FOWLR and it has a
Kole Tang, Soldier Fish, and Mombassae
<Pterois mombasae>
Lion fish, the other is a 40 gallon breeder Reef tank and it has (gulp) 2 Perc
Clowns, 3 Blue Green Chromis, 1 Pygmy Angel, 1 Orchid Dotty back, 1 Lawnmower
Blenny,1 Banggai Cardinal, and 1 Yellow watchman Goby. As you can see I have a
little bit of an overstocking issue with the Reef.
<More than a little bit.>
I will be moving the Cardinal and Lawnmower Blenny this weekend to the 75 and I
think I am going to try moving the Chromis as well. They are a little on the
small side and I am not sure if they will be able to avoid the Lion but I think
it is something that needs to be done.
<Will more than likely make a few meals for the Lionfish.>
That will leave the 2 Clowns, Orchid Dottyback, Pygmy Angel, and Goby. Do you
think that would be ok?
<Pushing it a bit, but if your filtration and husbandry is up to par you could
get away with it.>
Do you think I could wait on the Chromis until they are bigger too move them?
<Don't think they will get large enough to discourage the Lionfish from eating
them.
Be better to trade to the LFS for store credit etc.>
Your advice is very much appreciated.
Thank you,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Swollen
Snowflake Eel – 12/05/2007
Hi Marco!
<Hello Andrew and Laura.>
We can't thank you enough for taking the time to answer our question. We
hope you won't mind if we attach a brief rider:
<No problem at all.>
As if things weren't bad enough, we experienced a 5 hour power outage
here in Chicago, during winter. Fortunately the display tank only lost
about 2.5 degrees in that time.
<No problem here for your FOWLR.>
Afterwards. Gumboot came out. His swelling was even more pronounced, and
he seems quite apathetic. He lay dead center, in the front of the tank.
His respiration was normal,
<Gills are not affected.>
but he was limp and not inclined to hide.
<This looks really bad.>
We've removed him to a 10 gallon QT, so we might better see what is
happening with him.
<Understandable choice seeing the pictures. Offer him some cave to feel
more comfortable and keep the water quality pristine.>
He remains sluggish. We've attached some pictures here
<I see one, had no idea the swelling was that large.>
, in hopes that you might be able to help us more. Do you have any sense
of what might be going on here? We're ready to dose with antibiotics or
iodide supplements, but we're not sure which way (if either) to go.
<Look for a wound from a lionfish sting and check if the lionfish has
intact stinger ends. What we see here is probably an accumulation of
fluids. If there is no wound I’d suspect an internal bacterial infection
hard to diagnose exactly/treat accordingly without a veterinarian. You
can try an antibiotic for gram negative bacteria like Maracyn Two, but,
although some eels swollen like your moray survive, many die. It is
impossible to know without tests which antibiotics actually work, due to
the apparent use of loads of antibiotics at many collectors and
wholesalers.>
Thanks again. We know you're busy, and we appreciate your help more than
we can say.
Andrew & Laura in Chicago.
<Sorry I have no better news. Keep us updated, I still hope Gumball
survives. Marco in Heidelberg.> |
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Japanese Dragon eel and Volitans lionfish –
11/24/2007
Dear WWM crew,
<Bill.>
Love your website, it's the best website in this hobby for this hobby.
<I’m glad you like the site.>
I have a 120 gallon tank with about 100 lbs of live rock and a 30 gallon sump
with a ETS skimmer.
The lonely inhabitant is a 30" Japanese Dragon eel and since he is always at the
bottom of the tank (only comes up when hungry), I think the tank could use
another fish so I was thinking about adding a V. lionfish but I'm afraid that it
could sting the eel since the eel might get
the wrong idea and try to eat it or would he?
<Dragon eels (Enchelycore pardalis) can be a real pain for tank mates due to
their long teeth, enormous power and fish eating tendencies. Fish large enough
to be safe on the other hand may be a threat to the eel. The lionfish is both, a
possible threat to the eel and possible prey. I would not risk losing this rare
and expensive moray by adding a lion.>
Do eels know to stay away from Lionfish?
<In the confined space of an aquarium this may not always be possible. Since the
eel was in the tank first, it may well interpret the addition of a lion (and
most other fish) as feeding. Can work if your eel is exceptionally peaceful, but
the risk is too high in my opinion.>
So if too risky to put in a Lionfish, what other fish would you suggest?
<Mmh… have many eels together with other eels of the same size without major
problems, but eels will stay at the bottom, too, and dragon eels are not among
the eels seen sharing their caves in the wild… robust groupers work well with
many eels, too, but they need a lot of swimming space and I do not think a 120
gallon system could support a half a metre grouper… Tiny fish like some gobies
work quite well with large eels. To be honest I would not try another fish in
this tank.>
I don't want to deal with Angelfishes or Puffers.
<I’m sure the dragon would love dealing with them… pricey food and if the puffer
puffs possibly a dead moray.>
I really love the Sohal tang and the Harlequin tusk but they would have to be
huge since the eel can eat filet of fish (6" long x 2" height) which is pretty
big, huh?
<Oh yes, and they can take out chunks of larger fishes by forming their body
into knot.>
Thanks for your time, Bill.
<Sorry if it is not what you wanted to hear, but personally I would not try tank
mates. Rather enjoy the dragon in his own tank. Much more relaxing. Take care,
Marco.>
Re: Japanese Dragon eel and Volitans lionfish -11/27/2007
Dear Marco,
<Bill.>
Thanks for your quick response.
<No problem.>
I actually forgot to mention that the eel is going to be transferred to
the 120 gallon tank so, if that's the case, would I be able to put the
Lionfish in 1st and then the eel?? Do you still think it might not be
worth the risk to the eel?
<Chances are better when you add the Lionfish first. Anyway, I
personally would not risk the life of this pricey and wild caught Moray
eel. It is possible they will live together peacefully, but the
probability is rather small. Chances are good the Eel will kill or eat
the Lionfish at some point. Worst case scenario is the Eel is stung to
death while killing the Lionfish.>
Thanks, Bill.
<Welcome. Marco.> |
Lionfish: Tank size and compatibility (again)
8/22/07
Hello folks,
<David>
I know that this is a commonly asked question on this site, but the answers from
the various WWM staff have left me confused.
I have a 125g tank (72"x18"x21") that I would like to have a Pterois volitans, a
Pterois antennata and a Siganus magnificus. I'm in the process of building a
sump from a 30g long tank that will house an MRC MR-1 skimmer and a refugium
(plan on having 5" DSB, Chaetomorpha for nutrient removal and a Ulva or red
macroalgae for feeding to the Rabbitfish). Two Mag 7 pumps for the returns and
two Koralia 2 (perhaps Koralia 3s after some other advice) for water flow. I'm
aiming at having a 2" DSB in the DT and about 120# of LR.
So. Doable without having to eventually upgrade the size of the tank when the
fish reach full growth (relatively speaking, I realize that as long as a fish is
living it is growing)?
<Mmm, yes>
Is there a more-than-slight risk of the volitans eating the magnificus once
adult size is reached?
<No... should be large enough, spiny-enough to get by>
Is there room for any other residents?
<Not much fish-wise...>
I'd like to include a larger snail (tiger crowlie or conch)
<Cowry? I'd go with the Conch>
as a large form of cleaning crew. I'm trying to keep a theme to the tank
(venomous - I'm a toxicologist), so there aren't a lot of other types of fish
that I'm really considering.
<Though there are many other families...>
I don't like the general appearance of squirrelfish, and anything else is either
small enough that it will become lionfish food or blend in with the aquascaping.
Thank you in advance.
David Kelman
<And at full size, the three will be about all this volume can handle psycho-
and physio-logically. Bob Fenner>
Lion, Bass incomp. 8/2/07
Hi.. curious to see if a new addition; Leopard Grouper can be causing stress
for the Lion Fish in the tank at my job.
<Yes, and yes>
I am very concerned; as I am their caretaker. We have 2 Lions Fish, Squirrel
Fish, small Angel (forgot what type), snowflake eel.
<In a tank of a couple hundred gallons I hope/trust>
I have not noticed the Lions bothering or getting bothered by the Leopard
Grouper; however since his introduction.. The Lion's are docile, staying in an
upright position near the rocks/filter. They are also changing to a much darker
burnt orange color; is this caused by stress?
<Yes>
Is there anything that can be done to alleviate the stress?
<Remove the Bass>
Usually when I come in the morning. they are happy to see me; they have not
looked at me or anyone else for that matter in days. The tank is over 200
gallons with no over crowding. please help, I am so worried about them.
Thank
Nicole
<This serranid should be removed, pronto. Bob Fenner>
Re: Lionfish, bass incomp. – 08/02/07
Thanks so much, I am going to see about removal of the Grouper now; the eel
does not particularly like him either; has been trying to bite the grouper each
time he swims past him
I appreciate the advice.
<A pleasure to help you take good care of your aquatic charges. Bob Fenner>
Unhappy Volitans... soc. env.
6/30/07
Hello Crew!
<Ali, Darren>
Firstly may we say what a fab site you have - very interesting & informative. It
is our first stop when in doubt of anything aquatic!
We have as yet been unable to find an explanation for our Volitan's problem
though, so hence the query:
Bought the lionfish about a month ago, and he took a few days to settle in but
soon came round. At the same time bought a porcupine puffer, trigger, grouper
and leopard filefish - all small/young enough to settle together but big enough
not to eat each other!
<Still... high stress... and likely problems down the line here with this mix...
the Puffer and Trigger may well work the Lion woe... and good luck to it and the
Filefish getting food...>
The only other inhabitants were 2 hermit crabs,
<These too will disappear>
and all were introduced into the tank on the same afternoon,
<Too much too soon my friend>
having come from the same shop and some had been sharing tanks there. We lost
trigger recently - think it was scared to death by grouper as he had been
harassing it.
<Yes...>
Last week or so we have not seen Lionfish eat - he has previously had defrosted
silversides, krill & Mysis with the odd piece of squid, although not brave
enough yet to feed from us directly, but we have witnessed him picking up
pieces. He seemed to be acting a little strangely in that he was resting on the
coral-sand, and making himself a shallow 'hole' by fanning the sand away with
his fins.
<A bad sign>
Now though, his once prominently dark stripes have become patchy.
<This too... stress markings...>
In the past couple of days, he has developed a small luminescent lime-green
patch on one side just in front of the fin, and his proud display of healthy
looking 'fans' have drooped completely. In general, quite listless, breathing
seems slightly more rapid and this morning he had 'wedged' himself under the
edge of a piece of live rock.
Checked parameters, salinity etc - all within recommended ranges. We have tried
water changes with RO and done all we can think of in respect of water quality
without adding any extra chemicals/treatments. Understand hair algae should not
affect him,
<Au contraire... this life can mal-affect all... and/or the conditions that
pre-dispose its proliferation>
but put half dozen turbo's in to help reduce that anyway. LFS have limited range
of frozen foods available, so will try to get something online - any
recommendations/additives we should be on the lookout for?
<Moving this fish... to another system really. Ghost shrimp (live) would be best
then to entice it to feed>
Can you give us an indication of what might be wrong & what we can do for the
poor little guy? Would hate to lose him for obvious reasons.
Hope you can help
Thanks - Ali & Darren
<Could be a few things amiss... but the most glaring trouble is the placement
with the other life here. Unless this tank is a few hundred gallons... I'd be
moving the Lion, stat! Bob Fenner>
Porcupine Puffer stung by lionfish!
6/28/07
Hey there, <Hi Jeff, MacL here with you tonight.>
I have been using your website to research and learn for many years now and it
appears I can't find any information on my current problem.
I have a porcupine puffer who would be about 5 inches, and he shares the tank
with a 6 inch Picasso trigger and a 5 inch Volitans lionfish and a yellow head
moray eel.. All tankmates seem to get a long most of the time with the odd
argument between the puffer and the trigger, (he has never puffed up though as a
result)<You know I have had my puffer for five years and haven't seen him puff
up once.> however about a week ago during feeding time (which is awe inspiring
to watch them all eat) <Lord I bet, I can just imagine> the lionfish had not yet
engulfed his whole fish when the porcupine puffer decided it was time to get
some of that fish from his mouth. Now as he swam toward the lion the puffer ever
so lightly swam down onto the dorsal spines of the lion and quickly dashed in
the other direction.
After about half an hour the puffer had a small ring of blood in his left eye
and it eventually went away and now that one eye is cloudy. <Definitely sounds
like they had a close encounter. I've seen animals recover from being stung but
having personally been stung it hurts like you wouldn't believe.> He seems still
relatively happy and he still has a fine appetite however he has become far more
docile than he used to be. Of course he comes out a little more at night but he
used to follow us around the room and now doesn't come out as often. <I'm sure
he's both wary of the lionfish and wary of his tankmates since he does have an
injury and possibly cannot see as well as normal. While I do not advocate
medicating unless its necessary I would definitely keep an eye on his eye to
make sure its clearing up on its own quickly. I personally recommend adding
something like Selcon with vitamin C to assist in the cure but if the eye
doesn't appear to be healing on its own you might need to consider adding an
antibiotic. I wouldn't add it unless he appears to be having problems healing
because it does mess with the tanks bacteria on occasion as well. >
I guess that it is cloudy eye due to the stress of being stung by the lion but
just wanted to double check there is nothing I should do, as we would be
devastated to lose our cute little ET impersonator!!! <To me its sounds more
like he was stung in his eye because you saw the ring of blood in his eye.
Usually there is a mark where they get stung. Keeping your tank healthy is the
best thing you can do for your fish as you very well know. If he doesn't show
signs of improvement in two or three days I would look into antibiotics for
assistance. Your tank sounds lovely and amusing. Good luck, MacL>
Any advice would be appreciated..
Regards
Jeff
Dead Sohal –
06/08/07
Hi Crew
<Wayne>
Well, I'm sad to say that my Sohal died the other day. It was so fast
and sudden, that I'm concerned about the health its tankmates. I've
attached a pic. I'm hoping you can help diagnose what killed my Sohal.
<Does look like something beat it...>
Tuesday morning he was behaving and eating normally... by noon he had
this big swollen "welt" on his left side. The welt looked like the
surface of a Qtip, it was white, and was the size of a tic-tac. There
were small "fibers" sticking out, and I could see his stripes
underneath. I don't think it was a wound from a scuffle with other fish,
as there appeared to be no missing flesh.
The whole time he was breathing heavily, and just stayed in 1 spot from
noon all the way until 7am Wed morning. In the morning I noticed the
welt was now on his right side also. Couldn't do much then, I had to hit
the road for work. I received a phone call from my wife at 10am saying
the fish was dead.
He was QT'd for 8weeks. He had an issue with Ich, treated with copper
and was placed in the tank after 3 weeks of Ich free symptoms. I didn't
wait the entire 6 weeks, because I was concerned about his prolonged
stay in the inconsistent conditions of the QT he was in. It was a gamble
that several people suggested was the right thing to do.
<Yes... I would have done the same>
He went about 4 weeks in our display before he died on Wed. Everything
seemed great while he was in the display. He was being fed Angel
formula, Formula 2, Nori and Mysis Shrimp. all were soaked in Kent Zoe
prior to feeding. I'm good about water quality. I do 30 gal water
changes every week with RODI water that's properly prepared.
Nitrates/nitrites/ammonia are 0, PH 8.3, Spg, 1.026, temp 80 +/- .5.
There was little aggression in the tank which is a 210, with 250lbs of
LR.
He went from fine to dead in less than 24 hrs.
Do you have any ideas what killed my fish? After reading your article on
disease, I'm thinking some kind of Fungal infection?
<Nah... such virulent fungal infections are extremely rare... the
circumstances would wipe out the other fish life>
Should I be hospitalizing all my fish (9" Volitans Lion,
<This is likely "it"... the fish was/got "poked"...>
1" Yellowtail Damsel, 4" Emperor Angel, and 5" Harlequin Tusk). So far,
all other fish look normal.
Thanks for your help.
Wayne
<Again... appears to be resultant from a severe physical trauma... I
strongly suspect a run-in with the Lion. Bob Fenner> |
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Large Angel Question, Compatibility; Fish
Only Marine, large messy fish 5/31/07
Hey crew,
<Hi Joe.>
Kudos on all the great info (as always).
<Thanks.>
I've recently stumbled onto a piece of info on the web that concerns me and I
want to bounce it off you for a sanity check since there is so much
MIS-information on the web.
<No problem.>
My question revolves around stocking and compatibility.
<Okay.>
First I'll give you my tank set-up.
240g (96x24x24) w/ over 300lbs of LR, Aqua C EV-240 skimmer w/ Mag 12 pump, Dart
return pump 10+ cycles per hr, Amiracle 400 dual Wet-Dry Filter, Retro PC
lights, lunars, etc.
<Sounds adequate.>
Current stock list: 8" Volitans Lion, 6-7" Miniatus Grouper, 25+" Snowflake
Moray Planned/Proposed List: Yellow Tang, Queen Angel, Harlequin Tusk Wrasse,
and possibly a Naso or Sohal Tang (If I remove the Grouper, depends on his
behavior)
<Well if you decide on going with the Sohal, you likely won't want to add any
other surgeons.>
My questions are these.
<Okay.>
1. I read on another site that the Queen Angel should NOT be house with a Lion
or Grouper. This was the only time I had ever heard that and I was told on
another forum that the Angel would pick at the Lion.
<Is a possibility, large angels are quite territorial and despite their obvious
defenses lions are much more prone to being on the losing end of a fight than
most people will admit. SO I wouldn't say there is a guarantee the angel will go
after the lion but it is a risk to consider as well.>
This is a SHOCKER as I currently have the 6" Yellow Tang & 6" Queen in my 75g QT
tank. Can you confirm any of this info?
<See above ^^ .>
2. How does that stocking list look to you?
<You've got large and messy fish, some that are potentially
aggressive/territorial. Close attention must be paid to water quality and
behavior/health.>
The only one that concerns me is my Miniatus (even though he is just gorgeous).
Should I be concerned?
<I would say cautious, and watching for signs of "foul play.">
I thought I would test the grouper with the yellow tang before I risk my Queen.
Like a pawn in chess you know...risk the tang and protect the queen.
<Let me know how it goes.>
Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
<Anytime.>
Joe
<Adam J.>
Problems Feeding My Lionfish (Puffer/Lionfish Incompatibility) – 05/08/07
Dear Bob,
<<Hello Jason...Eric here this A.M.>>
I recently acquires a Lionfish and a Porcupine Puffer.
<<Neat fishes...though not really compatible>>
My problem comes in at feeding time.
<<Indeed>>
The Puffer eats everything I put into the tank so the Lionfish doesn't have a
chance to eat.
<<Just one of several reasons these two species do not do well together in
typical home displays>>
Any suggestions as to how I can distract the Puffer from taking everything away
from the Lionfish? At one point the Lionfish was ready to suck in a prawn and
the Puffer practically took it out of the Lionfish mouth. Any help would be
greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Jason
<<Obviously, the best solution is to have these fishes in separate
systems. Failing that, you can try fabricating/inserting some type of divider
(a piece of acrylic sheet) at feeding times to “corral” the Puffer away from the
Lionfish to give the latter time enough to feed. Do also keep an eye on these
two, especially for signs of fin damage on the Lionfish as sooner or later the
Puffer will likely begin to chew on its tankmate.. Regards, EricR>>
Lionfish problems!!! HELP 3/19/07
Hi,
I have had a Lionfish for the last 6 months, who was doing wonderfully well.
In the last week, it refuses to eat, and has been swimming from side to side in
the tank for hours, like he had never done before.
<Unusual behavior>
I've tried hand-feeding it silver fish, krill, and raw shrimps. He just doesn't
eat.
My tank is a 92 gallon, and my lionfish is about 6 inches long. I have 3 tangs
and one panther grouper.
<Mmmm>
It is a reef tank.
Is it possible that he is outgrowing the tank?
<More likely the tankmates>
Or is it the beginning of a parasite or any disease?
<Not likely>
Please help, I love this fish!
Thanks,
Gary
<The behavior is indicative of "something" bothering this specimen... that is
obviously not bothering your other fish livestock... Likely the presence of the
Chromileptis/Panther is "it"... If this were my Lion, I'd move it to another
system to see if this "cures" the non-feeding and pacing behavior... and if you
don't have such means, I'd trade in either it or the Bass. Bob Fenner>
Tank mates, SW... Triggers and Lions NOT tog. – 03/09/07
Hello all!
<<Hi Brent.>>
I have to say that I have never come across such knowledgeable and caring people
when it comes to providing a home for such wondrous creatures of the sea.
<<Ah, thank you. I’m glad to help.>>
I have been reading through all the information on the sight religiously. I
came across an article that stated one could keep a clown trigger and a Volitans
lionfish together if the tank was not over crowded and provide lots of hiding
places.
<<I do not personally think this is a great idea.>>
This summer I plan on getting 96x24x24 (240g long) aquarium. The clown trigger
is a must have for myself. I was also planning on getting an emperor angelfish
and a snowflake eel. Once I read the article about the clown trigger and the
Volitans lionfish living together, I though I might get a Volitans lionfish fish
for the aquarium.
My question is, before I make a mistake, can I house all these fish in the
aquarium?
<<I would skip the lion.>>
Furthermore, is the trigger going to kill the Volitans?
<<Clowns can be very aggressive; the lion’s spines are certainly at risk.>>
The clown trigger would be the last fish introduced to the tank.
<<Wise.>>
If the tank mates I have chosen for the clown trigger are not advised, what
could be some possible alternative suggestions? I really would like an eel to
go with the trigger as well as a large angel. I just don't want to over crowd
the aquarium.
<<I think you’ll be fine here. Provide broken lines of sight, and be prepared
for aggression, but skip the lion. There are dwarf lions that don’t require
mammoth tanks, if you have your heart set on one.>>
Thanks for all your hard work and dedication!
Brent
<<Glad to help! Lisa.>>
Doing What Come Naturally….Lion Eating Hermits 1/16/07
I have a really big problem,
<I’m all ears……>
in my tank of about 450 litres, I have a Pterois volitans that have eat an
hermit crab.
<Sounds like natural behavior for the lion…….>
I am very worried , he seams to be ok (to days later)
The hermits are from Brazil, very small ones, I have more or less 20 hermits
crabs in my tank and about 20 snails too. Can my scorpion digest it?
<If he was large enough to swallow it whole, he should be able to digest it just
fine. In fact he will continue to eat the rest of the hermits and snails.>
will he die for eating it?
<Not likely.>
Please tell me what do you think it will happen.
<I think your lion will continue to practice this natural behavior on smaller
tank denizens.>
The Pterois is about 15 centimeters long and 43 years of age.
<I’m guessing that age is a typo or was lost in translation somewhere……….>
Thank you very much from ARGENTINA (SOUTH AMERICA)
ALEJANDRO
<Adam J. from SoCal.>
Re: Lion eating hermits
Thanks a lot, I was not sure if he could digest the hermit, you were right,
the age of my lion is 4 years,
<That's what I figured....>
I usually feed him with shrimps, fish meat, and beef heart.
<Leave out the beef heart...terrestrial food isn't that great for him.>
I did not know that it was usual food (snails and hermits),
<Lions are ambush predators, if it fits into their mouth it's fair game.>
so next time I will not collect that poor bugs from the sea, at least I can say
that it will be good for her diet.
<Somewhat, variety is the key IMO.>
I brought them thinking of a cleaning team.
<Understood.>
Here in Argentina all kind of stuff from overseas is extremely expensive, and
our economy is not the best.
<Sorry to here that.>
In my tank I only have the lion and a zebrasoma velifera , with a wet dry , and
a canister filter and to more pumps.
Thank you very much again and I should congratulate you for you job
Alejandra
<Live long and prosper (name the character, lol)....Adam J.>
Re: Sohal tang aggressive? 1/2/07
Thanks for the prompt response Rick.
<Thank Graham for pestering Rick, Rick for the info ;) Graham with you
exclusively today.>
My Damsel is 1" and was the first marine fish my wife and I bought 1.5 years
ago. He's a warrior! The Lionfish gave up hunting him a long time ago.
<Sounds about right for a Chromis xanthurus.>
I had intended to add a 3" Sohal, so you and I are on the same page except for
one thing. I intended the Sohal to be the next, but not last addition to the
tank.
<Can be done... but you save stress and returns to the LFS when adding an
aggressive fish to your system last.>
I'd also like to get an Angelfish (not sure what kind. I'd like to get a larger
specimen), and a Porcupine Puffer.
<You're right to add them before the Acanthurus sohal.>
So... to revise my question, would a Sohal Tang be a good, last addition to my
tank if I had...
Volitans Lionfish 9"
Harlequin Tuskfish 5"
Yellowtail Damsel 1"
Porcupine Puffer ?"
Angelfish ?"(any suggestions?)
<Honestly, I think your specimen list would be fine, though I keep thinking of
all the Volitans I've seen bullied by other fish in the past. But if your's eats
live food, then maybe he has the Moxie he needs. As for the angel suggestions,
try a Pomacanthus paru (Cortez) or Pomacanthus conspectus (French) as these are
hardy, active and feisty individuals. Just know that tangs and angels sometime
decide they are too similar to be nice to each other. You may want to consider
adding the angel and tang at the same time to avoid territorial disputes.>
Do you think this bioload would be too high? I have a 40 gal refugium as well
as the EV240, I fill a Phosban reactor full of Carbon, and do 20 gal water
changes weekly with RODI water.
<Nope, looks good to me.>
Thanks for the warning on the poisonous spines. You are exactly right, not a
whole lot is written about this topic.
Happy New Year!
<And you.>
Wayne
<Graham>
Re: Sohal tang aggressive? 1/2/07
Thanks Graham!
<Of course! Just happy to help.>
I understand your concern for the Volitans. If the new fish I introduced were
smaller than my lionfish, would that deter them from bullying him in the future?
...even if they get bigger than the lionfish in the future?
<I did not mean to cloud your mind on the subject of your lion. No, he is not
generally going to get beat up. But, they do tend to take the path of least
resistance in an overly aggressive setup. I don't think this will be the case,
and you have the right idea about starting the fish small so they remember him
as bigger. Besides, a tang has little to gain from dancing with a Lionfish.
Groupers and other medium to large aggressive were on my mind. I did not know
that Lionfish have a history of being bullied. Always thought they were tough,
but passive fish.
<True, see above. (I left the retail store I worked in one night to return the
next morning to a 300gal tank strewn with Lion spines and guts that had been
painstakingly spread about by a 6" Balistapus Undulatus. Poor buggers.)>
Wayne
<P.S. one thing I forgot to mention, is that the small list of angels I
mentioned is obviously not the end-all. Just a quick list I came up with based
on a little looking at some various online databases and my memory of their
reactions in a retail or service setting. Generally, angels that are hardy, are
usually tough, too.>
Re: Longnose Hawk compatible with a smaller Lion and Snowflake Moray?
12/8/06
Thanks Bob.
<Welcome David>
If I am looking at a Radiata or Antennata Lion... They get to a maximum of about
8 - 10", correct?
<About this standard length in captivity, yes>
If I get a young lion and a medium sized Hawkfish... Both should be around 4-5"
????
<Mmm, the Lionfish will likely be around this length minimally, the Hawkfish
almost always smaller at sale>
Would/could a 10" lion swallow up a 4 or 5" Hawkfish...
<Oh yes...>
Aren't they quite long?
<Lionfishes regularly ingest fishes (and non-fishes!) of considerable size...
Shades of the old-saying/pitch, "I can't believe I ate the whole thing">
I guess obviously you're implying quite likely. Would a Flamehawk be better?
<Mmm, not in terms of relative potential for being consumed, no, not IMO/E>
They are thicker and chubbier aren't they?
<Heeeee! Are you (giving you my best Robert De Niro impression while doing a
push-up here) talking to me? Yes, are, but still imminently-inhaleable>
I put a deposit down on my snowflake moray. This one's beautiful...
Retailer has had him for 5 weeks. Putting my fingers close to the tank, the eel
comes to investigate, seems very alert, and healthy.
<Good sign>
I saw him full length at about 13". This will be my first addition to the
200gallon tank and because he is the first addition I am more or less
quarantining him in my display. All other additions will be quarantined in a
hospital tank. I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to add one or two blue-tailed
damsels just to ensure my Moray isn't a fish eater?
<Mmm, a good idea to add these, and/or other life period... principally to help
"clean up" uneaten foods, "detritus"... and keep your interest...>
Or do you think not necessary?
<Not as a test for the Eel's compatibility, no>
I'd rather a $6 damsel be eaten up vs. a $50 show fish. Furthermore, given my
tank volume... Am I ok introducing two fish at once initially?
<Mmm... in terms of? I would at least dip/bath the new fishes...>
Or should I stick to the eel with the next addition after about 3 to 4 weeks?
<Up to you>
Given my snowflake Moray, the radiata or antennata lion (only one of), tang, a
smaller angel or flame angel...
<A/the Lion may well eat the Centropyge in time as well...>
Can you recommend a few others that would be a nice addition?
<Posted on WWM...>
You questioned my selection of wrasse (ornate wrasse) as a possible bully to the
lion?
<... what species is this? Halichoeres ornatissimus? The common name is applied
to a few labrids...>
But your FAQ and website almost imply that this wrasse would be a good community
fish only specimen. I'd like a colorful wrasse that doesn't get bigger than
about 6-8"... Or at least out of the swallowable range from the lion.
By reading your info... I'm definitely staying away from puffers and triggers.
<You are wise here if you intend to keep Lions, Eels...>
A Marine Beta perhaps? Foxface?
<Both good choices>
What I'd really like is your opinion on another addition that maybe I wouldn't
even think of...
Something out there in left field so to speak. I like colorful critters. Would
a lynchia star be ok?
<Not a Linckia... believe/trust me here... take your time... You have plenty...
Enjoy the (non-western ethic I know) process (not simply an end-point/product)
view/experience here... Read, imagine, visit LFS's, chat with other hobbyists...
Bob Fenner>
Re: Mixing in a Moray - 11/02/06
Hi Bob,
<<Eric here, stepping in for Bob who as you might be aware, is out diving the
globe with "off-again on-again" net connectivity>>
Thanks for the reply. Was also wondering if a 210 would be too small for a
Tesselata or could he live comfortably in it even when he reaches full size?
<<Would be fine for a while, but these eels can exceed 10 feet in length
(becoming very aggressive in the process)...it would warrant more than a
six-foot tank at maturity, in my opinion>>
Also how do you find puffers (dogface in particular) get along with lions? Some
people say they do great and others say the puffers just chew all their spines
off and beat them up. I know puffers like to pick at things but in general do
they get along together with lions?
<<Not a good mix. I see many instances where hobbyists are having problems with
lionfish, and lo and behold, there's a puffer in the tank>>
Thanks again for any info you can help me with.
<<Pleased to share. Eric Russell>>
Lionfish in a Reef - 09/16/06
I have a question in regards to adding a lion to a reef tank.
<<Okay>>
I know I don't have to worry about the lion messing with corals but
how about my clean-up crews?
<<Is some danger of this>>
This is a 90 gallon reef by the way with about 120lbs of live
rock. I know shrimp will be inhaled, but how about hermits and
starfish.
<<Not usually bothered>>
Also, about their behavior. I have been told that Dwarf lions are
not as active swimmers as say a Volitans. Is this true or false?
James S. Smith
<<None of the lionfish species are what I would call particularly
"active". All are generally slow-moving "stalkers" that tend to
prefer calmer and less brightly-lit portions of the reef. The
Volitans lionfish will usually remain "suspended" in the water
column, while the Dwarf species is often found "at rest" against the
rockwork, usually in a vertical head-down posture...in my
experience. Eric Russell>>
Lions and Marine Bettas 7/1/06
Hi there just a quick question. Would a marine betta be O.K. with a zebra
lionfish in a 30 gallon tank.
Many thanks.
<No, both get too large for this tank.>
<Chris>
New to the hobby . . . a little advice ... MacL's Back!!!
Hey To all of you at WWM! <Hi there, MacL here after a long hiatus.>
The hobby of fish keeping has just recently became a very serious interest of
mine, I housed a few 10 gallon tanks for years but just recently
increased my tank sizes... alot. <Beware it can become seriously addicting.> I
am still living at my parents house, because I just graduated from high school,
so my room has became the show room for my two aquariums. I have a 46 gallon
bowfront FW tank and a 55 gallon SW tank. <Very nice.> I have a picture attached
to give you a better idea on the
situation. <Unfortunately the picture didn't make it to me. Sorry!> The floor
seems to be holding these two aquariums fine. I searched on your FAQ's on
aquarium stands and floor support and found that the type of iron stand
supporting my 55 gallon should have a piece of plywood under it!!! <The plywood
spreads the weight and basically, for lack of a better word, cushions it. It
also provides bracing so the legs don't bend and fail on you. Always a good idea
to prevent a problem.> I would drain my tank and get right on that but I plan
on taking the 46 and 55 out of my room and just keeping a 125 gallon aquarium
with a nice level wood stand. My parents seem concerned with this (which is
understandable) but it is only 25 gallons more of weight. <It is indeed just a
little bit more weight but it does have a little to do with weight disbursement.
What you also need to remember is that water weighs 8 lbs per gallon so when you
figure 125 gallon you have around 1000lbs of weight. Most people do not have the
support beams in their house to hold that and need to do some additional bracing
unless they use a load bearing wall.> I do not see this being a problem as long
as the weight is equally distributed. I am hoping you guys can help me out
because the only reason for upgrading to a 125 is from all of the useful
information I found regarding proper tank sizes for fish. <Absolutely the way to
go, the larger the tank, absolutely the better for many, many reasons.> My local
fish store which does strictly saltwater fish convinced me that a baby striped
pufferfish (around 3 inches) and a large lionfish (around 7 inches) would do
just fine together in a 55 gallon tank! <EEEEEKKKKKK.>
I don't want my poor animals growth to get stunted from such a small tank.
My striped Pufferfish has been very stressed since I introduced the lionfish.
<Not surprising, have you seen the size of the lionfishes mouth? Reminds me of
some people I know digging in at the local buffet.> The lionfish seems
territorial but has never attacked my little friend. All my puffer fish does now
is lay on the bottom hiding in openings of live rock except for when food is
dropped in at nights. I honestly think that the only reason for this is that
fact that the tank is to small and extremely over crowded. I searched and found
the striped puffer fish can reach 15 to 20 inches, is this in captivity or in
the wild? Again the big question I have really concerns my floor supporting the
weight of a 125 gallon. With a sturdy stand and foam or ply-wood underneath I
hope it would not be a concern, if so could you please point me in the right
direction of what to do for it to work. <Are you on the first floor or the
second floor? That makes a huge difference!> The house is probably a little over
25 years old. My Local Fish store said a tank of 180 gallons would be fine in my
room because the weight would even out to be around a pound to each square
inch... I trust your advice much more than theirs especially after they sold me
those animals knowing I had such a small tank. <I have to say that it really
depends on the location in your house. Where you plan to put the tank. If it
won't work in the location you planned perhaps some negotiations with your
parents. Do you have a basement?> I learned my mistake and do all my research on
WWM now, thanks a lot guys. Also in the past I have emailed to you, I found a
few of my messages answered but had trouble searching and finding the rest of
them, I think this is because I was new to the site and didn't know where to
find them. I am pretty sure I have it figured out now though, do I click on the
"today's FAQ's page?" I figure I do although I didn't see a special section for
the Saltwater FAQ's. Just Fresh and Brackish. <Look under Marine.>
Also to give you a better idea on the setup of my room for the support of a 125
I took a picture which includes the 46 gallon bow front (left side) and the 55
gallon Saltwater (right side). Both are on the same wall. And a picture of my
very large lionfish as well if you had any interest in seeing it! I picked him
up pretty much full grown for only 30 dollars.. The guys at the LFS enjoy my
company there and sell me fish extremely cheap. <That's a good thing and a bad
thing when they sell you a fish that doesn't work for the size of your tank.
Obviously though you are on the right track.>
Again thanks for taking the time to read through this email and answer my
questions! Do you guys get paid to do this ? I hope so! <Nope no payment. Good
luck. MacL>
-Peter
125 Gallon Aquarium - Proper Fish Selection 5/23/06
Hello everyone. I have a question about the proper selection of fish for a
125 gallon tank (4'x2'x3') with 100 lbs of live rock, wet/dry and a Vecton
15watt UV, no crustaceans, no coral. My dream list of inhabitants would be a P.
Volitans Lionfish, Emperor Angel, and a Powder Blue Tang.
<The angel will grow too large for this size, shaped system>
The more I read, the more I'm finding that my tank is probably not big enough,
especially for the Emperor. The only fish that is a must-have is the
Lionfish. Can you give any suggestions as to other fish that would be
compatible?
<... there are many. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/lioncompfaqs.htm
for guidelines, suggestions>
Possibly a Huma Huma Trigger (might nip at the Lion?), a dog-face puffer or a
long-nose butterfly?
<Perhaps the last... puffers and triggers are too likely to chew the lion. Bob
Fenner>
Thanks for all the help!
Ryan Mullinax
Thanks Bob! I just want to say that I have gotten so much insight from WWM
and I feel much more confident with keeping marine aquaria now.
<Ahh! Glad that you have found our efforts useful. BobF>
Puffer and red Volitans 03/07/06
Hello, I have spent many countless days/nights searching through your site,
and i believe now it is unavoidable* (at least i think it is) but to
ask you the ? is there anyway i can keep my porcupine puffer with a Volitans
lionfish.
<Not a good idea. Have seen done (successfully and not) many times... but two
real problems. One that the Puffer might bite (but good) the Lion, and more
commonly that the Lion will have great difficulties feeding with the Puffer
there...>
I personally did not choose the combination but my wife who went to a certain
(very educated I must say, educated as most common betta owners) LFS name
specific PetCo,
<"It's the people, not the store name">
no need discriminate etc., but anyhow i have a Volitans with a porcupine and i
am wondering if there is any way that i can make them coexist, i understand its
the porcupines
nature to nip at long fins, so i am looking for a way to sell the Volitans, or
provide a comfortable (safe) environment for both of them. The tank that the
Volitans and the porcupine are in is a 75 gallon
<Will ultimately be too small for either>
with a divider in the center (estimated 37.5 gallons each) far to small for each
of them individually. In other words what actions can i take to give them a
happy environment?
<Really? Two larger tanks... see what we've both written above>
(in addition i have tried to sell the Volitans but there is not a high demand in
my area) any help/suggestions appreciated
Ryan
<Classifieds, Craigslist... signs up at the local fish stores, a call to local
marine clubs. Bob Fenner>
Lionfish help ... Centropyge comp. - 3/1/2006
Hello Bob
<Wayne>
I read until my eyes dried out trying to find the answer to my Lionfish
question.
<Google on WWM, the cached view...>
So forgive me if I'm asking a repeat question. I have a 120 Gal, that I
upgraded to from a 55gal, with about 50-60# of live rock, Volitans
Lionfish, Snowflake eel, Coral Beauty, 2 Yellowtail Damsels. I also have 2
Condy Anemones, Devils Hand Leather, Cauliflower Leather. I'm using a
Berlin Skimmer, Orbit 4x96w 10K/Actinic lighting (switched from a Coralife
4x65), a 40 gal refugium with a mag18 pump. I have a small powerhead that I
use to keep circulation going behind the rocks. So far I've only tested for
Nitrates, Nitrites, Ammonia, and PH, which are a 0,0,0,8.2 respectively.
<All sounds good thus far>
I just added the Berlin (5days ago), and was using a Skilter prior.
<Heeee! Some difference now!>
I've had this tank running now for about 7 weeks (upgraded from a 55gal which
I had for 1 year). We've had the Lionfish now for about 7 months.
Here's my question/concern..
My Lionfish has recently (past 2 weeks, since we introduced the Coral Beauty)
started to be extremely active. This is just the opposite of what I'm used
to.
<Yes... Centropyges can "pick" at Pteroines mercilessly...>
He usually hangs out in some "caves" I made for him, and was relatively inactive
during the day. Ever since I got the Coral Beauty, the
lionfish no longer goes to the bottom half of the tank and is constantly facing
the glass and swimming against the current. He is eating well (I
feed him a combination of frozen shrimp, scallops, and flounder every other
day), and his black stripes are now slightly brown. I noticed one of his
eyes looks slightly "cloudy".
<Good observation>
It's so subtle that I'm questioning whether or not I'm just being
paranoid. Paranoid or not, he is definitely more active than I've ever seen
him. Today, I restructured the "seascape" and made more caves hoping that he'll
get back to normal. Should I be concerned about this energetic behavior from my
Lionfish, or am I being paranoid. He has never been this active before. Thanks
again for all your help!
Wayne
<Only time can tell whether the Dwarf Angel is directly pestering your Lion...
If so they will have to be separated. Bob Fenner>
Re: Lionfish help **Time sensitive feedback. Please!!! 3/3/06
Hey Bob!
<Wayne>
Thanks for the feedback...
<Welcome>
I have to say... I stare at our tank probably more than I should, and I've never
seen the Coral Beauty and the Lionfish act aggressively toward each other.
<I see>
So I'm thinking that an Ich outbreak is starting in my tank...and thus the
reason form my Lionfishes "hyperactive" behavior.
<Maybe>
The Lionfish's' condition hasn't changed and my wife noticed this morning that
the Coral Beauty has some white spots on it. Again, it's kind of
subtle... we at first thought they were just air bubbles, but after most of the
day, the spots remained on the fish. You see... I got bit by the bug
when I got the 120gal, and only now have I discovered that QT'ing newly bought
fish is a necessity. Needless to say, the Coral Beauty was not QT'd.
My tail is between my legs, and I've learned my lesson.
<Good>
So...We've decided to start a hospital tank. We figured that it was better safe
than sorry. I've never seen Ich before, so after reading all the
symptoms, white spots, cloudy eyes, sporadic behavior... we figured we fit the
bill, and that it was a good idea to start a Hospital tank.
<There are some pix on WWM, elsewhere on the Net... I'd look>
Here's what I plan to do or have already done. Please tell me if I'm doing
something wrong. This strategy has mostly been sourced from WWM...I've
never done this before so here goes...
I took our old 55gal, and mixed salt water with distilled water (I don't have
enough water pressure for an RO/DI unit).
<I would use the "old water" for the initial move here... no reason not to>
The manufacturer confirmed no copper in the distilling process, and no copper
present in test results.
My main tank is usually around 1.023. I'm going to mix the hosp tank to
1.021. I hope this isn't too low.
<For these fishes? No... but I would not move them to more than 0.001, a
thousandth change in a day...>
I'll let the water mix for a good 24 hours.
<Do this for the needed change-out water... not the initial. Make this with the
current system water with some freshwater added to lower the initial spg about a
thousandth down...>
A 280gph powerhead will be inserted, a 300w heater to match the main tank @ 78
degrees, and a Skilter with no carbon, just the foam filter
inserted (I also disabled the "skimmer" part of the Skilter). I don't plan to
use any lighting, just regular day light. I have a Coralife 4x65 10K/Act
light just sitting in the garage that I could use. I plan to add some CopperSafe
by Mardel...how much?? I'll wait until I see the directions from the bottle.
<... Very important to hammer this message home... USE a test kit... NOT a blind
measure of so much per supposed gallons...>
When all is mixed, and at least 24 hrs have passed from the time I salt-mixed
the hospital tank, I plan to take ALL my fish out (regardless of
their symptoms or lack of), and freshwater dip them 3-5 min each. I can't find
any Methylene Blue to mix in the dip, I hope this isn't too big of a deal!
<Shouldn't be if they're not "too" debilitated... do pH adjust...>
So I will use just distilled water.
<Dechloraminated tap is fine, better... and do aerate this...>
As sad as it is to say, I can't afford to pay $29 to overnight a bottle of the
stuff to my home. I've spent all my disposable cash on the main tank. From
there they will go into the
hospital tank for 6weeks. I'll do 10% water changes and siphons every week for
6 weeks, as well as my main tank. After the 6 weeks, do I just drop all the
livestock back in the main?
<Likely so>
Is there a way to check the main tank to see if the ich is gone?
<Not practically>
The livestock that will go in the hospital tank are... Volitans Lion 7", Coral
Beauty, 2 Yellowtail Damsels, and a Snowflake eel 8"
<The damsels will likely be inhaled... do add some large PVC fittings, pipe for
hiding>
This is where I get cheesy! I have a plastic "Castle", a "Bridge" and a fake
plant that I'd like to put in the hosp tank. I figured since the Lionfish and
the Eel like to hide
that this might be a good idea.
<Okay>
It sure would be great to hear from you by 3:00pm ET tomorrow! Please advise
if I'm missing anything.
You guys/gals are great! Keep up the great work! Thanks a ton!
Wayne
<When in doubt, anxious, do read over the archived materials on Marine Parasitic
Disease... this will take a while... Bob Fenner> FOWLR mates for lion - 02/16/2006
Guys I'm setting up my new tank (150 reef) and want to keep my 55 as a
FOWLR. Wanted to get a lion with a couple mates. I made a nice cave for him.
Always wanted one. I've read the compatibility charts and Mr. Fenner's book says
most mates become aqua popcorn. I was thinking something that wouldn't harass
like a butterfly trio (Black &White/Dot Dash/Pakistani,) all "good butterflies.
<Good choices>
I really want to focus on 1-3 mates that won't hassle him. I also want to be the
only one in the house that enjoys $50 dinners not my fish. What inverts can I
have? Are hermits even popcorn? Thanks Jeff
<Sessile (bottom, slow to non-moving) types... like echinoderms (hardy ones...
covered on WWM), larger hermits (small may be inhaled) will work out. I take it
you've read re Lion Compatibility on WWM:
http://wetwebmedia.com/lioncompfaqs.htm
Many choices... as you say though... not animals that will pick on the Lion, nor
be sucked up by it. Bob Fenner>
Fish compatibility... lions, triggers, puffers 12/21/05
Hi,
<Hello there>
I looked over puffer/lion fish FAQs are could only find that porcupine
puffers (Diodon holocanthus) are not recommend with long finned lion fish
because of fin nipping habits. Does this mean that a dwarf fuzzy lion or fu
Manchu lion fish have a better chance of compatibility?
<Mmm, no... not really. More to do here with the sedentary nature of
Scorpaeniform fishes period. In general they're easy pickings>
especially since these particular lion fish have fins closer to body, and are
more likely to stay close to bottom of tank and rock work plus are nocturnal
hunters compared to the porcupine puffer which stays in middle area between
surface and bottom most of the time. Do these fish have a better rate of
compatibility together if they are fed on regular schedules, and adequately
enough to sustain contentedness even though these fish are known to gorge?
one more question, what are the chances of compatibility of a Picasso
triggerfish and dwarf lions?
<About the same. Not good>
According to WWM it is not recommended because trigger will become more
aggressive with time, but I just want to know the possibilities. I
trying to
stock a 110 gallon fish only tank and want to know my options, I know filtration
is an issue with these larger fish, but I am prepared.
<Chances... I'd say about 50:50, diminishing with age, time, size. Bob Fenner>
thank you for your time and help! Much appreciated!
Chris
What I Want and What I Get - Lionfish with Tang and Trigger 11/30/05
Hi!
<<Hi!>>
I would like to get a lionfish for my aquarium, would it be able to live with a tang and triggerfish?
<<Without knowing ANYTHING else about your setup, I can tell you that the
trigger will be a problem with lionfishes.
They are known to bite off the ends of their spines (ostensibly to eat the now de-venomed
fish). Please, also, go to our homepage, enter your search terms (lionfish compatible trigger tang), then when you get the results hit the 'cached' link to see your results with the search terms highlighted. In short, I would not recommend it without knowing MUCH more, and even then may not. Marina>>
Lionfish tankmates 11/16/05
Hi I have a large lionfish that in the past has caused a stingray to die from a wound. The clumsy stingray bumped into the lion and died a few days later. Anyway, I have a valuable
tesselata eel in one of my other tanks and would like to move it to the lion tank. I always see people keeping lions with other predatory fish but I just wanted to make sure that the same thing would not happen to the
tesselata. Do most fish instinctively know to stay away? Dinesh Patolia
<There is always a risk, but unless you have an especially belligerent or aggressive lion, the eel should be able to stay away. Your stingray was at much greater risk because it is a much larger target and can't maneuver very well. Best Regards.
AdamC.>
Lions tryin', Lion Compatibility 10/19/05
MacL- (Or, any of you kind folks at WWM.... but Mac knows my story well....
)
<Mmm, just saw this...MacL not checking her in-box?>
Mac- Sorry I have not been updating you on the lions. My two attempts
at adding another lion fish to the tank failed, and I have not tried it
again. It has been a pretty lonely tank for Big Daddy for the last
several months. I tend to get very discouraged when the animals pass
on, and I do not want to keep on risking it. Moreover, I really do not
want to expose Big Daddy to any stress from having not-so-healthy new
tankmates, so I try and not add anything. I had lost the man who was
taking care of my tank because his business went under, and it has been
a real loss. He used to personally order the fish from his suppliers and
quarantine and treat them for several weeks before adding them to my
tank. I have NEVER had such luck with purchasing stock from a LFS. Kind of
disappointing.
I did however, take on one tank mate for Big Daddy. Unfortunately, it
is a maroon clown, something I swore never to have after my previous
clowns turned out to be S.O.B.'s. But, my friend had to take down his
system and had no where to put his last remaining fish, so I agreed to
take him. He is large and really beautiful. He has acclimated to my
system wonderfully, and so far, hasn't been an ass.
In any event, I also knew that I would be having a move coming up, and
I did not want to add anything to the tank before this move.
SO... here comes the problem.... I had the move, about 8 weeks ago. The
tank held up wonderfully, and I really think was looking so much better
after the move. After about 5 weeks, I felt it was safe to try and add
a few things. I added two yellow tangs because I have a (sometimes too)
healthy growth of Caulerpa. The tangs were a great addition. The clown
got an anemone in the process and has kept himself busy with that. He
doesn't bother the tangs, I suppose, because they are such a
drastically different body type. Big Daddy seems to enjoy the company
as his coloring is better and he seems to be more active and not hiding
in the back.
So we live in Houston and were (ever so) slightly affected by the
Hurricane in the sense that we have had rolling blackouts for several
days. Thankfully, our house and property where saved and we only had 60
mile an hour winds here, but as I said, we lost power many times with
the last being two days ago. I had an aerator that was powered via a
car battery on standby, but the power was never really off for longer
than 2-3 hours. I never used it. I THOUGHT that 2-3 hours would not be
detrimental, but could it have been being that it probably happened 8
times over a week?
<Sounds like all was/is okay>
I had to go to Canada for work over the weekend and my mother was
taking care of the tank. She is very educated on SW fish and what not.
She had to go out of town herself on Sunday, so no one saw it Sunday or
Monday until now. Big Daddy looks bad....
The tank had run out of water in the sump enough to get air bubbles
flowing pretty heavily in the main aquarium. I have no idea how long it
had been doing this, but let's assume over 24 hours. Big Daddy was
huddled in the bottom corner covered in air bubbles. I immediately
added water to the tank, and everyone else in the system looks fine.
All the corals are doing well, too. Big daddy, however, is still very
pale and has white spots again. His eyes have slightly fogged and I
notice several white spots on them, a s well. Sadly, his tail fin has a
slit in the middle of it but is still connected at beginning and end,
looking like a skinny donut hole.
In all these comments, can you notice anything that would be the direct
cause of this, or could he just be stressed out?
<Likely just the latter>
No one else in the
tank has any symptoms, though... I have run out of supplies and will
head to the store tomorrow if possible with work so that I can do a
water change tomorrow night, but it might not be until Wed. morning
that I can do this.
I tried to feed him, but he was not hungry. My mother said the last
time he ate was Thursday. He usually eats every 2 days when he is
feeling normal. I will try and feed him again tomorrow.
Since writing this e-mail, he has begun moving around the tank more,
and looks to be acting normal at least, but he does not look good.
Hopefully, since he has proven so strong before, he can push through
this as well.
Is there anything else I should be doing to try and help him along?
<Mmm, not that "pops out" in my mind>
I will do the water change. I will try and get him to eat. Do you have
any feelings on Kick-Ich? I have used it before, but I never really thought it
worked....
<Is a farce... please Google WWM re>
If he is worse in the morning, I will send a picture....
I apologize for such a novel-length e-mail, but I like to include all
the recent history to see if something sticks out to you as a problem.....
Thanks for your time!
Brett
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Triggerfish and Lionfish Compatibility 09/19/05
Hello!
<<Hello Ben, Ted here>>
I have a 125gal aquarium. I love lions and i will definitely be getting a
Volitans
lion. Here's my question, I would love to try a trigger fish, is there a
triggerfish that could live with a lion? I was thinking about getting a
Picasso (sp?) <<Picasso>> triggerfish. <<I would not recommend putting a Picasso
triggerfish in with a lionfish. Please see these search results from WWM (http://www.wetwebmedia.com/lioncompfaqs.htm).
After looking at these FAQs, please do other searches on WWM such as "Lionfish
and Triggerfish".>> Here's my line up for my 125gal:
-Volitans lionfish
-Goldentail moray
-Picasso triggerfish
-Lunare wrasse
Thanks,
Ben
<<You're welcome and good luck - Ted>>
Dyin' For A Lion! (Lionfish Suitability) 6/31/05
Hi Crew,
<Scott F. your guy tonight!>
You guys do great, hard work and it's appreciated by all who can read.
<Glad you enjoy it! We're proud to bring the site to you each and every day!>
I've been reading your site for the past week, which means I've
probably read about 1% of the total information and all of my
questions have already been answered in the remaining 99%, so I'll
understand if you point me back to
http://www.wetwebmedia.com.
I have a 20 gallon FO marine tank cycling with two Damsels. I realize now,
thanks to you guys, that this is unnecessary and that live rock is a better
situation, but the fish are strong and eating voraciously (I'm also feeding them
once a day an amount they eat in about a minute to keep waste down). It's been
running for two weeks, I finally got my test kit and for the last three days the
results have been:
Ammonia - .25
Nitrite - .1
Nitrate - 20
In this size tank the water changes faster, how often to you recommend testing?
<I'd try three times weekly during cycling; twice weekly thereafter.>
I've been to seven LFSs in Phoenix and they've been either lame or
overpriced, any recommendations for either LFSs or a reputable online retailer?
<Unfortunately, I am not familiar wit any stores in the Phoenix area, but you
might want to contact a local aquarium club, or consider posting in the WWM Chat
Forum to see if any local hobbyists can refer you to a good shop near you!>
Besides the bio balls in my tank I'm using carbon 24/7, is this
acceptable in a FO tank? (This is the one where you might direct me to
http://www.wetwebmedia.com)
<I would recommend further reading. However, I am a big fan of continuous use of
activated carbon. Along with regular water changes, careful feeding, and
aggressive protein skimming, carbon is a great ally in maintaining high water
quality.>
My dream is to get a lion fish, either a Dwarf Zebra or Fuzzy. I know this is
pushing it for my size tank, but I'll be getting a 60g in 7 months. If I get a
1" to 1 1/2" lion fish how long do I have until he grows up to be too big?
<Not too long, really. This tank is potentially too small simply because of the
amount of metabolic waste even a small Lionfish can give off. They are heavy
feeders. Better to start the fish in the 60 gal, IMO>
Thank you guys. I also had one idea that would help people like me. How about a
section that lists certain types of compatible fish? It could be listed by the
main fish that people want, like Lionfish and then you list three of the most
compatible fish. It would be a lot of work, but I would find it very useful.
Thanks again, JP
<That's a neat idea, JP! Unfortunately, it's hard to be 100% certain about ANY
fish being compatible. I have seen some charts like this in various online
magazines, like "Reef Keeping". Also, Scott Michael, in his books, does a great
job at discussing compatibility of various fishes. Check out these and other
resources on the Web. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Moray stung by a Lionfish...
Hello. I purchased a 2 foot Chainlink Moray Eel and he was very healthy when
I introduced him into the tank. A few days ago my Lionfish stung him twice.
<Yikes... not compatible...>
He has survived and is doing ok considering what happened. He had open wounds so
I dosed him with medication.
<... ?... for?>
He seems to be doing better but now he is losing the skin on his underbelly where he was stung. Any suggestions? Thanks so
much for your time.
<Keep the system optimized and stable... and the fish well-fed... Bob Fenner>
Lion Fish, Not Lyin' Fish..
Hello, and thank you for providing this service to us all, definitely well
appreciated!
<You're welcome>
I am just starting in this hobby and have absolutely fell in love with
lionfish. My issue is my girlfriend likes the pretty, colorful additions to the
tank. ( Dottyback, blue velvet damsel, small yellow tang, purple Pseudochromis,
and my buddy, a 8" snowflake eel, then there's the clean up crew: turbo snails,
emerald crab, blue hermits, peppermint shrimp,
pencil urchin, brittle star. And the others: Condy anemone 2", misc. small frags
of pieces of coral) The equipment is as follows: 50Gal wide 30"x18" Oceanic
tank, Fluval 304 canister filter, 2" of live sand, slowly adding live rock piece
by piece, up to about 25 pounds now. I have been trying to do my homework on
this but am finding conflicting information. I am very carefully considering
buying a Pterois antennata. The information I have found says that they get to
be about 7-8 inches and that they eat shrimp and crabs I can live with this.
With the smaller size of this lionfish breed, if that info is accurate, please
let me know. Would my other members of the tank live in fear of being eaten?
Would the lion actually eat them or is the information of eating shrimp and
crabs accurate?
<Robert, your tank is overstocked right now. Adding a lionfish will create
waste problems leading to nuisance algae. The yellow tang really needs a minimum
of 75 gallons. It is small now, but will grow. This goes for the eel also. FYI,
do a Google search on the Wet Web, type in keyword "lionfish". Here you will
find info you need on this fish. James (Salty Dog)>
Not Lyin' About the Lionfish
OK so I'm already over stocked, I already have plans to add a protein skimmer (could you recommend one than is not HOT or in sump, a canister type
one that will allow me to keep the top of the tank sealed for the eel?)...
<I know of no canister type protein skimmers.>
... will make the adjustments to the tank conditions, that really wasn't my question. Although any advice from a voice of experience is appreciated.
Will this breed particularly, eat the others in the tank?
<A lionfish will eat anything it can get in its mouth. I have seen them eat good size goldfish although that is not the recommended menu.>
The yellow tang is all but bought, if you ask the girlfriend she already has one in mind, (kinda like me and my lionfish), but I can talk her out of it. Will the lion
torment and eat the other fish or will it be content to eat the shrimp, crab meat, and other goodies I provide?
<There is much you don't know about lionfish. From the factory, so to speak, they won't touch anything that isn't alive. It takes time and patience to acclimate one to eat frozen type foods etc.>
I have scoured your pages, as well as most any other page I can find, for info on the spotted lionfish and have
come up with very varying responses. It'll eat crustaceans, it'll eat anything, they get 1.5' long they get 7" long, about the only thing they can
all agree on it the spots on the fins at maturity and the lack of a membrane to the ends of the fins. Thanks again.
<Obviously you are going to get the lion one way or another, that's your choosing. The eel alone will grow quite fast and if you have no plans for a larger tank, you will encounter all sorts of problems. Good luck. James (Salty Dog)>
Lionfish compatibility 3/11/05
Hello, I would like to know if a Fuzzy Dwarf Lionfish would eat a Firefish.
<almost certainly>
If he would could you tell me what small fish that the lionfish would not eat?
<generally those that it cannot swallow whole. Be safe and only keep tankmates as long as the lionfish>
Thank you very much. Please write back soon. Jason
<best regards, Anthony>
Dwarf Fuzzy Lionfish Compatibility
Hi, I'm Nick and I'm twelve and my dad and I have a 55 gallon salt water tank and we were thinking of adding a dwarf fuzzy lionfish. We currently have a tomato clown w/a rose anemone, a yellow tang, a scooter blenny, a lawnmower blenny (approx. 5" long), 7 or so turbo snails, 2 black neon
gobies, 2 firefish gobies, a feather duster, an arc-eyed hawkfish, a Dottyback, a red flame scallop, 5 tiny blue leg hermit
crabs, green hair algae, and about 20 lbs. of live rock, all happy and doing fine. We're planning to add another 35 lbs. of live rock before we get the lionfish. Is this a good setup to get the lion? We have many hiding places for the fish, so they won't (hopefully!) get eaten.
<You say that everything is happy and doing fine. Adding a lion to the mix would almost surely change that. They are not community fishes, and will consume smaller fishes as well as invertebrates that will fit in their gape. To compound things, Lions have specialized feeding habits. All in all, I would not
recommend your purchasing a Dwarf Fuzzy Lionfish for inclusion in your marine reef aquarium, Mike G.>
Lionfish Sting
Hi Everyone!
Thanks for taking the time to help me out. I have a 65 gal salt tank with a yellow bar angelfish (juvenile), a maroon clown, a fuzzy dwarf lionfish, and a yellow longnosed
butterfly fish. Everything was fine until yesterday morning when I noticed that the butterfly was acting funny, he seemed to just be swimming around with the current of the tank. My husband noticed two wounds on his underside like he was poked. We are guessing that he ran into the lionfish. My lionfish is very active and friendly. Since yesterday the lion has been sitting on some live rock on the back of the tank not moving. This is very strange behavior. So I jumped on your site and tried to research lion stings to other fish. What I got out of it is that usually the fish will die within 30 minutes of the sting... if they live past that, there is a chance they will pull through. This morning the butterfly was wedged between some
live rock, my husband let him free and now he is on his side on the bottom of the tank. He is still alive and moves around a little. I
don't know how to help him, I am thinking I should just leave him alone. He has lived over a day now. He has not gotten worse but hasn't gotten better either. What would you do?
<Heidi, it is possible that this could happen but unlikely. Has the butterfly been eating good, and what foods do you feed it? Does the angel show aggressive signs? Angels do have a very sharp spike just below their gill plate which is also used as defense. It's also possible that the angel could have done this. James (Salty Dog)>
Dwarf Lionfish Companions?
Hello all.
<Hi there! Scott F. here tonight!>
I'd like to start by saying you run a great site.
<Thank you for the kind words! We're thrilled to be here for you!>
I've been doing a lot of research on keeping dwarf lionfish, and have decided to keep a Dwarf Zebra Lionfish (Dendrochirus zebra) in a 29 gallon aquarium. I will use a 20 gallon sump with the aquarium. I was wondering...will a larger species of Damselfish (I am looking specifically at the Blue-Banded
Sergeant Major, Abudefduf oxyodon) do all-right with my Lionfish in this tank? I understand I will be unable to keep small damsels, as they will be eaten, and that some larger species have aggressive tendencies. Will this damsel pester my lion to no end?
<Well, to be quite honest, I'd be very hesitant to recommend keeping this damsel with the Lion. Almost all Abudefduf Damselfish are rather nasty, and there is a very real possibility that the damsel can
harass the Lionfish excessively.>
If this is not a good choice, what other tank mate might do okay with my Lion?
<I'd consider a Halichoeres species wrasse, which should be able to hold its own and not
harass the Lionfish. Other, small laterally-compressed fishes will work, too. Do a little research on the WWM site for some possible candidates!>
Thank you so much for the help. Keep up the good work-you help more people than you can imagine.
Go with God. Jeff <><
<Glad to be of service, Jeff! Regards, Scott F.>
Dwarf Lion and the "oopsie" factor.
Dear Sirs,
I bought a 3" dwarf lionfish. Will it eat a 3" royal Gramma, 3'
sailfin tang, 4' red Coris and 3" clowns? People at fish store said no,
it'll grow up with them and everything will be fine. I ran into your
website and I'm saying to myself oopsies.
Sincerely, Renee
>>>Hello Renee,
Yes, no, no, and yes. The royal Gramma and clowns don't have all that much more
growing to do.
Oopsie sounds about right. :) You need consider how "tall" the fish is, which
makes a big difference. A 3" royal Gramma is much easier to swallow than a 3"
tang. Keep in mind the eventual size of the lion vs. these other fish as well.
Stick with larger fish, as even the smaller lion species attain a decent size -
certainly large enough to ingest some of those fish you mentioned.
Cheers
Jim<<<
Dwarf Lionfish, compatibility, aquarist danger
Hi <Hello Karen>
I tried to search your site for the answer but could not find either. Hope you
do not mind I have 2 questions.<No problem>
1. Would a dwarf lionfish be compatible with a Banggai cardinal & coral
beauty.<The Banggai cardinal might be a snack for the lion depending on it's
size.> I also have chocolate chip starfish, orange star, black sea
urchin. Various snails and hermit crabs. Torch coral, green star polyps,
cabbage leather, button polyps
and a few candy canes.
2. My hands are in my tank a lot. I am very worried about them being venomous,
would I be protected if I were to wear latex gloves say up to the elbow when in
the tank?<The sting is not lethal unless you also have a strong reaction to bee
stings, none the less do avoid the dorsal fin. James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks
Karen
Fuzzy Dwarf Lionfish
Hello! Great website, very insightful!, Well here is my question. I have a
46 bow front (this is not my first tank), with 50# LR with plenty of caves
and such, testing 0's on nitrates, nitrites and ammonia, 8.2 PH and 1.023
salinity. I have a brain coral, doing well, some polyps and a mushroom rock
all healthy. The only fish in the tank are a leftover yellow tail damsel
(doing fine) and a 3" Flame Angel. I added a Fuzzy Dwarf (approx. 3"), (my
favorite fish) anyway last night all was well. This morning the Flame was
dead. It had a large white swollen spot on the side of its head.
It seems
the Lion and the Flame had a disagreement and the Lion won. Does that sound
like a lion sting?
<Maybe... but the angel loss could just as well as be unrelated>
The Flame was healthy and eating well.
Any info would be appreciated. Also what would you suggest as another tank
mate for the lion?
Rob
<Something bigger than its mouth, but not too likely to pick on it. Bob Fenner>
- Dwarf Lionfish -
Hi there,
Firstly I would like to say how great your website is, it's very helpful. I have
a quick question for you. I have just bought a dwarf lionfish and I was
wondering if it will eat any of my other fish? I have a pair of clowns, a goby,
a psychedelic mandarin, a yellow tang, a small damsel and 4 green Chromis. I
also have turbo snails, hermit crabs a cleaner shrimp and a pink lobster. Will
any of these eventually become expensive fish food? <It's possible, yes...
although most likely with the smaller fish.> Also my lionfish doesn't seem to be
eating, the shop where I got him said that they do take about a week to start
eating because they don't like to be disturbed but it's now been in the tank for
over two weeks. What do you recommend feeding him, I have tried frozen and live
brine shrimp, ghost shrimp and a small guppy. <Suggest any seafood item -
shrimp, krill, scallops, clams, white fish, but not live feeders. Put the
selection on a feeding stick and dangle close to the fish. I'd also try this
just after lights-out... these fish prefer darker spaces and would do well if
you could provide it a cave or similar structure to call its home.>
Thank you for your time and keep up the good work
Allie
<Cheers, J -- >
Lionfish tank mates
I haven't had a chance to thank you for the advice. I went with this: 1
fuzzy, 2 percula clowns, 1 pink watchman goby and a black leopard wrasse. There
are also 2 starfish a corral banded clown (thought it would be a snack but, it's
been in there since May). I haven't been able to find a corral beauty
locally. I am thinking of adding either a porcelain crab or green emerald. <<
Coral Beauties are very popular, you shouldn't have to look far for
one. Porcelain and emerald crabs should be fine. Emerald are probably a better
choice in this situation. >>
<< Blundell >>
Lionfish, Marine livestocking
I haven't had a chance to thank you for the advice. I went with this: 1
fuzzy, 2 percula clowns, 1 pink watchman goby and a black leopard wrasse. There
are also 2 starfish a coral banded clown (thought it would be a snack but, it's
been in there since May). I haven't been able to find a coral beauty
locally. I am thinking of adding either a porcelain crab or green emerald.
<Hello, No problem. I think your combination of fish looks good as long as the
tank is big enough. mikeb.>
Compatibility
Hi, <Hi Alex, MacL here with you today.> I was wondering if I could house a
Zebra Moray and Dwarf Fuzzy Lionfish together in a 100 gal comfortably for their
whole lives? <I know people who have done it, but their tank was larger than
yours. I would think the secret would be to keep the Moray fed.> Thank you!
-Alex
Lionfish
Hi,
Do fuzzy dwarf lions and Volitans lions get along good?
Thanks
Ben
>>>Sure, just make sure the fuzzy lion has some size to begin with. You don't
want him getting swallowed by the Volitans - they grow FAST.
Cheers
Jim<<<
Tank Compatibility Questions
I have a 6 inch clown trigger, a 7 inch Picasso trigger, a porcupine puffer,
green wrasse, miniatus grouper and 12 other fish in a 350 gallon tank.
<The other twelve we'll assume all are compatible, similar in temperament>
I love puffer and would like to add a 6 inch stars and stripes and I love
lions and was going to add a 6 inch Volitans lion. I also would like to add
a second fox face lo. The first lion (antennata) lasted 12 hours.
Any chance that the lion can hold it's own? How about the second fox face
or second puffer??
<The puffer would likely be fine... as long as you can get it (I'd train it
while in quarantine) to accept food from a "feeding stick" (to assure it's
getting fed), and the Lo/Siganus should also be able to be added... but
Lionfishes in with triggers are a bad match... too likely to get eaten by them
if not starved by competition. I would get/use another system for your Lions.
Bob Fenner>
Thanks,
Cara
Cloudy eyed lionfish
I have recently noticed that my lionfish has some cloudiness in its eyes and
has been occasionally sitting on the ground. My main concern is the
cloudiness...but when he sits on the ground he will have his fins down, that is
until the Picasso trigger swims anywhere near him. I have looked through other
FAQ's but haven't seen anything that answers this question. Do you have any
suggestions or recommendations?
<The root cause of this condition is almost invariably water quality related...
do check your pH, alkalinity, and in any case, do a good-sized water change
(like 25%)... And look into either getting another system, or trading one of
these animals... triggers and lions are not compatible in most all settings. Bob
Fenner>
Ongoing Lionfishes trial ends
Mac- <Hi Brett, so sorry to hear your sad news. : {>
Unfortunately....Baby Daddy passed on this morning. :( I suppose I will have to
be a little bit more selective when I get ready to add Baby Daddy 2 to the tank.
<Well I think you were trying to be selective and I can't imagine a greater tank
than to be with someone like you that truly cares.>
Is an antennata an appropriate choice for a tank mate for my Volitans? I
definitely wanted a different species...and I think antennata are some of the
most beautiful... <I do as well and I have seen them work successfully. I can't
know what your guy died from but honestly I don't think he was right from day
one. >
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