Mixing Salt Water/Buffering 5/12/08 What is the
importance of buffering water before mixing salt? Why can't (or at
least what is the disadvantage) the salt water be buffered after?
<Fresh water from the tap will generally not have a dKH of 8 or
higher. Lower dKH levels in the tap water will deplete the buffers
in the new salt mix and will generally produce a lower pH in the new
mix. Read here and related articles for a better understanding of
alkalinity/dKH. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/alkalinity.htm James
(Salty Dog)>
re: buffering water for top up in marine/reef system
- Mixing Salt Water/Buffering 5/14/08 I've read the link
(and do understand) but it still doesn't answer my question. <Was
meant for information.> Perhaps I'm not articulating what I want
to say or there's something I'm missing. Wouldn't buffering the salt
water after, replenish lost alkalinity? <Sure.> What I'm
trying to say why is there a difference in buffering pre vs. post
salt freshwater mixing? In the end wouldn't both methods have the
same end result. To me its like do I put my jacket on before I put
my shoes on before I go out or vis versa. In the end its the same
result when I leave the door. <Freshly mixed salt water is very
caustic and reactions to other chemicals can be different than with
aged saltwater. I've always found myself using more buffer in the
post stage than in the pre-stage. The choice is yours, I just prefer
doing it before. James (Salty Dog)> |
Alkalinity Problem 4/7/08
Greetings,
<Greg?>
Recently
measured my alkalinity at 7.5 dKH.? Decided to boost it up slightly so I
added one dose of Seachem Reef Carbonate per instructions.? Waited about
20 minutes and re-tested.? Alkalinity had dropped to 6 dKH, pH went from
8.2 to 8.4? What the heck happened here!?
<Precipitation of
bicarbonate...>
It's not supposed to do this? right??
<...>
What should I do now?? Is this much drop in alkalinity dangerous.?
Trying to figure out these supplements is frustrating.?
<Ah yes...
the terminology re is not easy to come to grips with in English...>
Should I? switch to a different Alk booster?? Any suggestions?? There
was some undissolved solids in the Seachem product after shaking.
Thanks,
Greg??
<... Read here?:
http://wetwebmedia.com/caalktrbfix.htm
and the linked files above?
Bob Fenner???>
Increasing dKH 12/12/07
Dear all WWM crew
<Hello Bagas>
This my first time joined the forum'
<Welcome my friend.>
First I
want introduces my self as like the eastern aphorism says if you do not
know the person you will never loved them.
<How true.>
I’m new
hobbies from Jakarta, Indonesia, You guys can called my name Bagas,
I
have small facilities in around my house and because of I loved the
aquamarine live I collect pieces by pieces from the local fisherman to
complete my collection in my tank.
My collection becomes larger to
fill my facilities.
Now a day I run the aquamarine business for local
hobbies. But I have a little problem now. As you know my small
facilities only can accommodate a small number of items so the items
will come (if the fisherman arrives) and go (if sold to my collage) some
time it happen in the same days.
That’s why I have a problem
maintaining the water parameter. Especially about dKH.
I counted my
dKH value always in number of 5 , That’s bad for my parameter right?
<Should be a little higher than that.>
Any Idea for solve my problem?
Please..
How to increase my dKH value to the ideal 10.
<No
problem, read here and linked articles above.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/alkalinity.htm>
Thank for help.
<You're
welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
bgsgnwn
Information request - Appreciate all your help - thanks... Ecsenius fdg,
Alkalinity sources 10/20/07
Hello there everyone,
nice to talk to you again! J
<Welcome>
This is going to be a
jumble of information and questions as short as I can make it. You have
seen in the past my nano. This is the quick version
http://www.reeferscafe.com/nano-reefs/11-woohoo-nano-aquapod-12g-modded.html
Currently I have a green banded goby in there ( getting fat ) a tail
spot blenny
<Ecsenius stigmatura?>
( eating like a machine ) an
emerald crab ( picks all day ) and 2 astrea snails ( constantly eating
something ). Ever since I put the tail spot in he has basically cleaned
off 90% of the rock vegetation ( just stuff that came in on the rocks )
which is great! However, since I don't feed the tank anything other than
Cyclop-eeze once a week on Wednesday and pellets to my green banded goby
once in awhile I am a bit concerned that the tail spot ( since he is not
partaking in pellets ) is going hungry. I have tried algae and he does
not like it. Strange.. lol Should I be ultimately concerned about him
starving?
<If this fish gets thin, yes>
I have to assume there is
plenty for everyone to pick at on the rock and the blenny does look
healthy.
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/mynd/green_banded_goby/PA050013.jpg
and everyone gets along
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/mynd/green_banded_goby/PA050005.jpg
Keep in mind there are some Zoa's in the tank along with a really nice
Acan frag
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o46/mynd/AquaPod/acan101607.jpg
and that is why I feed the Cyclop-eeze once a week. Is there anything
that you recommend that tail spot blennies like?
<Small diameter
Spectrum pelletized food>
Whew what an intro for one question. Ok,
next. I have been battling a ph dropping issue from day 1 almost 3
months ago. I use Seachem marine buffer to buff up the ph carefully
testing the DKH to not go over 10ish. The next day from 8.20 the night
before it drops to 7.9. Each and every day. SO, what I did was get an
air stone and in the basement office I tested to see if the ph would
rise. Wouldn't you know it, next day ( since I test at 9am and 9pm every
day with a pinpoint ph meter ) the ph this morning and each and every
morning since has been 8.2 on the button.
I would assume this means
there is a high concentration of CO2 in the tank and the little vent on
the AP12 is not getting enough O2 into the tank,
<Mmm, not
necessarily>
thus the air bubbles are now keeping it steady. I want
to get rid of the air pump and basically put some Chaeto in the back
chamber with some LR and a 10watt submersible light. Before I do this
test I wanted to know what you thought was the better solution between
the 2 options AND if you think the addition of the Chaeto will
ultimately keep the PH up as well as the air bubbles do?
<Likely
need more of a source of bi/carbonate here...>
Whew, hope I explained
that well. I have been all over your site and read the new questions
daily from start to finish, so anything you might have on this site I
have probably seen. You can reference me, but I want to hear your
opinions.
<Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/alksci.htm
and the linked files above>
Thanks again for all you people do. It is
a really nice feeling knowing that I can send a question in and get
another opinion from knowledgeable people. There is just some security
in that. I am not saying we always agree on what the person who answered
us has to say or it might be vague, but 99.9% of the time everyone there
has some excellent advice and suggestions. So thank you kindly again for
all your help and everything you do.
Kind regards,
Mynd
<Thank you for your consideration. Bob Fenner>
Re:
Frustrated Over Alkalinity Readings – 02/22/07
Sorry again I
emailed you an incomplete message.
<<Ahh, ok...I was just trying to
sort through/make sense of it. I will delete the first correspondence
then, and address your questions here>>
I am doing water testing and
my alkalinity test read that .4ml of my titrate means that I have a
reading of 6meq/l.
<<This is too high. Alkalinity in a reef system
should be in the range of 2.5 meq/l to 4 meq/l >>
Which makes no
sense to me?
<<...?>>
I am working to 6-8dKH
<<8dKH should
be your “minimum”...in my opinion>>
and the test kit suggests that I
reach 4-5 meq/l. Then when I convert that I get something like 16dKH.
<<Mmm, no...would actually be a range of 11.2-14 dKH>
Could you set
me straight?
<<I shall try [grin]. The test kit is actually “more”
correct re the proper desired alkalinity reading than you are
here. Look at it this way... 1 meq/l = 2.8 dKH. Thus, the often
suggested alkalinity target range of 2.5 to 4 meq/l converts to 7 to
11.2 dKH; though most authors agree a slightly higher dKH of 8 – 12 is
fine/recommended>>
Thanks a ton, Cathy
<<Happy to assist...do
let me know if this is not yet clear. EricR>>
Re: Frustrated
Over Alkalinity Readings – 02/23/07
Thanks so much.
<<A
pleasure to share>>
I am having difficulty maintaining calcium and
alkalinity.
<<I wonder Cathy...do you understand the correlation
between the two? If you are dosing supplements to establish/maintain
these elements I suspect this is where your problems lie. Without more
specific data I'm at a loss to provide meaningful assistance re but will
tell you this...most any system of about 150 gallons or less...unless
very heavily stocked with calcifying organisms...can easily maintain its
balance of earth/bio-mineral elements through generous frequent partial
water changes with a quality synthetic salt mix>>
The advice you
offer is priceless.
<<Hmm...you keep talking like that I may have to
ask the boss for more money (just kidding Big-B! [grin])>>
Thanks
again,
Cathy
<<If I can be of further assistance you know where
to find me. Eric Russell>>
R2: Frustrated Over Alkalinity
Readings – 02/26/07
That makes perfect sense. I have been
overdosing with Kalkwasser and buffer for alkalinity and that probably
depleted my magnesium.
<<Overuse/abuse of the buffer will depress
calcium as well>>
I always buy Reef Crystals with the proper
calcium...and everything. I should have been trusting it all along.
<<Indeed...frequent partial water changes should fix/maintain your
necessary bio-mineral elements>>
I am surprised I did not figure
this out a year ago.
<<[grin]>>
Although, I have continually
lost a few corals every once in a while.
<<Clues>>
I have a very
stressed tank right now and will slowly replace with just correct change
of water.
<<Mmm, perhaps a 40% water change to get things going is
needed here>>
One more question if I may.
<<Certainly>>
I
have to raise pH with buffer since my water is at about a 7.8 after the
Reef Crystals are added.
<<Strange that it would be so low...though
I have seen some worrisome queries of late concerning the Aquarium
Systems salt mixes>>
I have two types of buffer. SeaChem and Kent
Super Buffer. Do you have a preference?
<<I surely do...the Seachem
products are my definite choice. And a couple things worth mentioning
re making up seawater...try adding the buffer to the water "before"
adding the salt mix...and do be sure you are adding the salt to the
water, and not the other way round...>>
Thanks again,
Cathy
<<Is a pleasure>>
And please do ask for that raise!
<<Hee-hee! We're all volunteers here...your continued success is reward
enough. Eric Russell>>
Re: High dKH 2/2/07
Bob,
I have checked my tap water for everything under the
sun. The only problem with my tap water is phosphates and I am using
an RO for replacement top-off water. I have been using salt water from
the local pet store when I do major water changes. A lot less hassle
to buy prepared salt water than mixing it up myself.
<Really? I
find it's easier to not lug this around... or drive it about... and that
I have more control over make-up by DIY...>
I tested that water too
and it is fine. Besides the pet store is a mile from my house
(literally) and we use the same tap water. That is why I am so
perplexed. I use Seachem marine buffer to maintain my pH, but I have
cut back on it I only have been adding it once a week to keep the pH
up.
<Mmm... best to find out root cause/s here...>
I haven't really been having pH problems as of late, especially with
more frequent water changes.
<Good. This is the approach I would
take>
The only other problem I have is my Nitrates, which
are high.
<These problems are related>
After reading your
website, I go rid of a lot of extra mechanical filtering and those
stupid bio balls. I replaced the bio balls with coral rock and seeded
it with live bacteria. I also set up a hang-on refugium and put coral
rock and Chaetomorpha (I think that is how you spell it)<Fixed> to help
control the nitrates. I have about 90lbs of live rock in the (90
gallon) tank. I know all this rock may be a little overkill, but
extra rock can't hurt. I know that it is going to take some time to
bring down the Nitrates, so I am doing more frequent 10-20% water
changes. Those are the only problems I am having and I don't think the
nitrate problem is related to the dKH problem I am having. Or is it?
<Something else... maybe the additive practice, possibly the substrate/s
dissolving... at any length, as long as the livestock is not impugned, I
would take the slow steady route as you're doing. Bob Fenner>
Alkalinity Control 1/25/07
Gentlemen, hope your day is well.
<Well...I just got back from the doc who gave me a shot in the butt,
other than that, OK.>
I will try to make this short. I'm having a
terrible problem maintaining my Alkalinity. I never let it fall below 8
dKH; however I'm dosing for it three times a week. I have a 75 gallon
tank, refugium. Aqua c remora pro, tide pool 2, Marineland filter and a
fluidized sand bed filter. All my levels are o.k. Calcium is at 400ppm,
alkalinity fluctuates between 8-12dkh. Stock is two brain corals, clam,
toadstool, carpet anemone, bubble tip and Galaxea. How can I maintain my
alkalinity w/o dosing every three day's? Also is Kalkwasser a way to go,
and if so about how much.
<Myself, I use Sea Chem's Reef Builder,
find it much easier to dose than messing around with mixing Kalkwasser,
dosing units, etc. But, I do think you have a little better stony coral
growth with the Kalk. Keep in mind it is very easy to overdose, and can
cause pH levels to rise to an unsafe level. Care must be exercised with
Kalkwasser.>
Thanks, I really appreciate all the help, past and
present.
Do read/find your answers here my friend.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/alkalinity.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
<James (Salty Dog)>
Mark P. Formica
Re: Alkalinity Control 1/26/07
Thanks
for the info, still confused but I will read on. Just one quick
question, is it normal to have to add a buffer three times a week?
<This is all going to depend on fish load/nutrient levels. As waste
dissolves
in the system, an acidic reaction is created causing
alkalinity levels to drop.> Oh, thanks for dropping the info! It never
even dawned on me. Hope your butt is doing o.k.
<Butt is fine today,
but head cold not much better. Damn Michigan weather.
Bob, anybody
ever get a head cold in HI? <<Oh, yes. RMF>>
James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Color Change 1/23/07 ... colorimetric assay? For... alkalinity ...
No prev. corr... We can't remember this much...
OK sorry for all
the poor communication on my part. I have a problem with the alkalinity
in my aquarium. I can not get it to go down below 5.14 meq/L.
What happens is I check the Alkalinity straight from my RO/DI filter and
it is 1.60 meq/L and the PH is about 6.0 so the only way I can add the
water to my tank is to add a buffer then the Alkalinity goes up to 2.29
and the PH is then 8.4. Then I add the salt which I have tried several
kinds and the Alkalinity goes up to 5.60 meq/L and the PH remains 8.4.
From what information I have gotten it could be a problem with my
filter. It has been this way since I bought it new. Thanks in advance
for your time and information.
<Please reply with the original
query. We have no idea which crew member you are referring this
to. Thank you, James (Salty Dog)>
Crushed coral substrate
1/15/07
Hello Crew,
<Hello Lisa, JustinN with you today.>
I read someplace (I think on your site) and now I can't remember or find
the article/letter. The subject was about crushed coral substrate and
how it loses it's pH benefits over time. Is this true?
<Mmm, yes,
tis true, though not only of crushed coral substrate. This is true of
any such marine substrate, be it crushed coral or oolitic aragonite
sand, and is also true of live rock to a lesser extent. The easily
soluble portions of these will be dissolved into the water column over
time, and when its depleted, pH, alkalinity and calcium levels will
typically begin to deplete.>
I have had mine going on 5 years. All
the water levels are good, but as of late I am having trouble with green
hair algae and cannot get rid of it. I go in and the tank with a tooth
brush and scrub the rock.
<Is better to do this outside
the tank, as all the little strands that are let loose into the aquarium
have the potential to take root and become another patch of hair algae.>
I also remove the top layer of gravel and pour boiling water over it and
let it dry out with the intentions of returning it to the tank (is this
okay to do?).
<Certainly>
How do I get rid of this
"green hair devil" for good, and what should I do with my crushed
coral?...Guess that was two questions combined. Sorry!
<Your
crushed coral is likely fine, though after 5 years, you might consider
exchanging some of it for new crushed coral. Simply remove some
substrate and replace with fresh, rinsed crushed coral. As far as the
hair algae goes, hair algae is usually indicative of high phosphate and
nitrate levels. Have a read here for some more information:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/algaeconMar.htm Hope this helps you!
-JustinN>
By the way, I would love to contribute a donation, but
have closed all my CC accounts. Is there a P.O. box I can mail a check
to (don't worry, it isn't a rubber one)?
Thanks for your help!
Lisa
<Certainly, the mailing address for WWM is as follows:
WetWebMedia
8586 Menkar Rd.
San Diego, CA 92126. Thanks for the
support, Lisa!>
Baked Baking Soda For Alkalinity
Supplementation? - 01/13/07
G’Day crew,
<<Howdy Chris>>
I have 3 reef tanks of 30L, 120L, and 240L (working volumes).
<<Neat>>
I have been trying to sort out my KH/Ca/Mg balance using
Kalkwasser slurry, MgCl2, Seachem Reef Advantage Calcium, and baking
soda that has been baked dry.
<<While monitoring your
alkaline/bio-mineral levels closely I hope>>
I know that this
removes the bound water, but does this make the baking soda into washing
soda?
<<By baking the baking soda? Not exactly...the "baking"
process drives out the "CO2" used in the manufacture of the baking soda
allowing it to elevate pH as well as buffer alkalinity. The bound CO2
is why hobbyists can't usually raise pH much above 8.1/8.2 using it
straight from the box...though it will still boost alkalinity>>
The
levels in all 3 tanks are similar within a small range so I will refer
to the range of values for simplicity sake. dKH is
7-9, daylight pH
is 8.2-8.5, dark pH is 7.9-8.1, Ca is 350-380, and Mg is 1320-1380. I
worked out the daily Ca consumption rate of each tank to be around
20ppm/day and there are several small and rapidly growing SPS frags in
each tank. I add ¼ tsp, 1/2 tsp, and 1 tsp, respectively, of Kalkwasser
slurry to each tank each night and drip RO/DI water with 1/4 tsp, 1 tsp,
and 2 tsp of baked baking soda into each tank by day to replace
evaporative loss. I adjust Ca and Mg levels weekly with the
aforementioned products.
<<Ok>>
My question is regarding the use
of baked baking soda in this way. Is this an appropriate use of baking
soda to supplement alkalinity?
<<Sure...as long as it is closely
monitored so as not to drive your alkalinity too high>>
I have read
a great deal on the tendency of Kalk to lower KH over time and I am
hoping to offset that with the baking soda.
<<I see>>
Would it
be more appropriate to add the Kalk slurry in the morning before
lights-on and then drip the baking soda/RODI by night?
<<I don't
think it really matters>>
The only reason I was doing so by day was
to keep the specific gravity as constant as possible.
<<If this
works...don't change it>>
How do I go about raising (slightly) the
alkalinity with baking soda?
<<Mmm...start by dissolving a small
amount (1/2tsp per forty liters of tank volume) in a cup or two of fresh
water and adding this to the tank. Monitor your pH and alkalinity and
repeat as necessary>>
Should I avoid adding Ca and baking soda in
the same day?
<<Nope...just don't try to drive both to their upper
limits>>
Also, can I mix the Ca additive with MgCl2 in the same cup
of water or are there interactions that I need to avoid?
<<I don't
know the chemistry behind it, but magnesium should not be mixed directly
with a carbonate substance...I would add the magnesium and calcium
separately>>
Cheers,
-Chris
<<Regards, EricR>>
Re:
Baked Baking Soda For Alkalinity Supplementation? - 01/15/07
Thanks Eric.
<<Quite welcome Chris>>
I have been keeping a close
eye on KH and Ca and I know that high levels of each are mutually
exclusive for the most part.
<<Good>>
If I can get alkalinity to
stay steady at 9 dKH and then keep Ca toward the higher end of
the
range at around 400 I will be happy and so will my corals I think.
<<Likely so...though using these as your high-end set points and
allowing readings to fluctuate between these and something somewhat
below these will make your life much easier as opposed to trying to
“peg” a specific reading all the time>>
What about Kalk and baking
soda interactions? If I continue to buffer my top-off with washing soda
on a pretty constant drip, do I need to suspend the drip for a period of
time surrounding the addition of Kalk?
<<Nope...not in my
experience>>
Thanks again and I forgot to mention how helpful WWM
has been to me in my last email.
<<We’re happy you find us of
benefit>>
I hate to admit it, but I spend more time reading the FAQ
and articles on WWM than I do literature for my PhD thesis.
<<Ha,
indeed! We do tend to gravitate toward our true
interests/pleasures...>>
Cheers,
Chris
Dunedin, NZ
<<Regards, EricR...South Carolina, USA>>
Re: Dropping Alk
1/2/07
To JustinN
<Hello again, Flávio, JustinN with you
once again... and a happy new year to you!>
Thank you very much for
your advice.
<No problems, I enjoy doing it *grin*>
I just
finish measuring the CaReactor effluent DK and I read 27. Too low I
think. Heard about more than 40?
I' ll increase the CO2. In the
meantime using the Tetra Plus and Calcium Chloride separately I will
boost the Alk and the Ca in order to achieve 11or 12 DK and about 400
Ca. I'm planning dissolve 1 tetra plus tsp in 500 ml of water and add it
daily and do the same with de CaCl.
Do you agree with this. If not
please correct me.
Best regards
Flávio
<Sounds good, Flávio,
but may I suggest, don't focus too hard on maintaining the peak levels
of both calcium and alkalinity... anywhere from 9-12DK and 350-420 on
calcium should be just fine. Hope this helps, sorry for the delayed
response! -JustinN>
Re: Dropping Alk 1/4/07
To JustinN
Thank You for your input about alk and Ca.
In this
moment, the Ca has raised to 320 with the CaCl2 adds and the alk is 8 DK
caused by the baking soda.
So, with respect for your advice, I am
going to stop adding those and hope that the CaReactor could do the job
for me, maintaining those values.
Best regards. Happy New Year.
Flavio
<Hello again, Flavio. I feel you are wise for this decision.
Do keep us updated, shoot a line back if you have any further issues.
-JustinN>
CA Reactors…Calculating Dissolution - 12/31/06
Good morning,
<<Hello>>
I would like to ask a question
pertaining to the "Calcium Reactor without CO2? - 12/14/06" thread.
<<Ok>>
I have been considering the same thing as the original
inquiry. I have well water with a pH of 5.7-5.8 after RO/DI.
<<I
see>>
I know enough chemistry to be dangerous, which is not much. I
seem to remember it would be possible to calculate the amount of Ca
liberated by raising the pH from a given point to the point it will no
longer react with the media. The problem is I cannot find the equation
anywhere.
Thanks
<<Hmm, don't know what that equation would be
either...I'm sure Bob will chime in if he knows. But so you know, the
media will "react" at "any" pH level...it's just that at the higher pH
more bicarbonate has been converted to carbonate leaving less "room" for
the media to dissolve before reaching the point of saturation where the
reaction stops. According to Randy Holmes-Farley... "At a pH of 6.5,
about 50 times less carbonate is present than in the same solution at pH
8.2"... The difference here being the lower pH allows "much more
calcium" to dissolve before reaching saturation. Regards, EricR>>
<There are solubility product constants... and I do believe/think that
these can be calculated further for different pHs... the KOH for
carbonates being? Perhaps a go with a CRC reference... or trip to a
large (college) library, help at a Chemistry dept... Am out in HI, and
too bushed from traveling to do much more than make these vague
generalizations. RMF>
Re: Ca Reactors
1/5/07
thanks for the prompt reply.
any word from Bob.
<Mmm, strange you didn't see this... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/maralkfaq5.htm
about the third response
down. RMF>
CA Reactors. Calculating Dissolution - 12/31/06
Good
morning,
<<Hello>>
I would like to ask a question pertaining to
the "Calcium Reactor without CO2? - 12/14/06" thread.
<<Ok>>
I
have been considering the same thing as the original inquiry. I have
well water with a pH of 5.7-5.8 after RO/DI.
<<I see>>
I know
enough chemistry to be dangerous, which is not much. I seem to remember
it would be possible to calculate the amount of Ca liberated by raising
the pH from a given point to the point it will no longer react with the
media. The problem is I cannot find the equation anywhere.
Thanks
<<Hmm, don't know what that equation would be either...I'm sure Bob will
chime in if he knows. But so you know, the media will "react" at "any"
pH level...it's just that at the higher pH more bicarbonate has been
converted to carbonate leaving less "room" for the media to dissolve
before reaching the point of saturation where the reaction
stops. According to Randy Holmes-Farley... "At a pH of 6.5, about 50
times less carbonate is present than in the same solution at pH
8.2"... The difference here being the lower pH allows "much more
calcium" to dissolve before reaching saturation.
Regards, EricR>>
Re: Ca Reactors 1/5/07
Thanks a lot. I had been
watching the Ca Reactor FAQ. Anyway I am off to the library.
Bart
<Real good. Please do report back on your experiences, findings. Bob
Fenner>
Dropping Alk 12/30/06
To the WWM Crew
<Hola Flávio, JustinN with you today.>
I have a 500 L. reef tank,
with a calcium reactor. I've noticed that the Alk is dropping (6 or 7 DK
and the pH 8.0), so I must, slowly, add some carbonate.
<More
likely, I think your calcium reactor may need more fine tuning.>
The
Tetra Ph plus is sodium carbonate or sodium bicarbonate ?
<I would
think it is likely a combination of the two. You can cheaply make your
own reef buffer using six parts standard baking soda (sodium
bicarbonate) to 1 part standard washing soda (sodium carbonate) and save
yourself a few bucks over the commercial stuff. If you're unable to
locate washing soda, you can prepare your own by placing baking soda on
a cookie sheet and baking it for 30 minutes at 450 degrees.>
Thanks
in advance
Flávio
<No problems, Flávio, hope I've helped you!
-JustinN>
Those pesky ratios ...using SeaChem buffer
12/18/06
<Hi Eddie, Mich here.>
I use a 5 gallon bucket for
deionized water. Seachem says to use 1 teaspoon for each 20 gallons of
water. I use 1/4 teaspoon in the 5 gallon bucket. Is this about right?
<Yes. This is correct.>
I use it to replenish from evaporation in
my 55 and 90 gallon saltwater tanks.
Thanks, Eddie V
<Welcome. -Mich>
Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor
Tuning - 12/07/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hey Ken!>>
I hope all is
well with you.
<<Indeed it is...thank you>>
Things have been
going well with the tank, but I have a few questions.
<<Ok>>
The
tank is set up 6 weeks now. The few soft corals and star-polyps look
good.
<<Excellent>>
I did buy a clean-up crew about 10 days
ago. I feel like I should put the snails on the payroll. In the first
two days they cleaned all of the greenish algae I had on the rocks.
<<Cool!>>
The tank looks good. My nitrate is less than 1-ppm and
phosphate is zero using LaMotte Colorimeter.
<<Very good>>
The
pH is usually 8.10 to 8.20 and ORP has been about 415MV.
<<More good
news>>
I also have gotten more and more pink coralline algae on some
of the rocks. My first question has to do with that in the last couple
of days I am getting areas of a burgundy color on the rocks.
<<Coralline algae comes in "many" colors>>
It looks to be more on
the areas that have some of the pinkish coralline.
<<Conditions in
those locations are likely "optimum" for both species...everything
competes for space on the reef>>
Also I notice the burgundy color is
all of a sudden on a lot of the turbo snails.
<<Very common>>
Is
this just another color coralline?
<<Indeed it is>>
I am hoping
that it is not like red Cyano or something.
<<Can usually tell the
difference>>
I don't see this on most of the rocks and none on sand,
powerheads, sand etc. I tried scraping it off with my fingernail and it
does come off somewhat. It doesn't seem as hard as the pink coralline
algae.
<<Differences in structure/composition>>
I'm not sure if
this is coralline or not.
<<Likely so>>
I would say that I see
this burgundy color mostly on places that had pink to begin with pretty
much. My next question has to do with my AGA Mega Flow. Their isn't
really any algae on my rocks or tank, but I do have some thick greenish
layers of it in the overflow box only. Should I leave it their, or
manually remove it, or can I put a couple of my turbo snails in there to
eat it.
<<Can remove or leave, whichever you prefer...I would not
put turbo snails in the overflow box (will probably get there sooner or
later anyway, but...) as they will get in to the overflow pipes and
restrict/block flow>>
I thought about snails and overflows but the
Durso pipe and the return pipe are sealed unit and nothing could get in
there. What do you think?
<<If you have some kind of "screen" on
the Durso then this may be fine>>
By the way, if I manually remove
the algae will anything?
<<...?>>
I don't want to spread it
around the tank? Also is it possible that this algae is in its own
"container" and it can act like a refugium in a way?
<<Sure...on a
very small scale. If nothing else, it is removing nutrients...but I'll
bet close observation will reveal some tiny crustaceans living there as
well>>
My last question and most perplexing and bothersome to me has
to do with my calcium reactor. I have an MTC Pro-Cal calcium
reactor. I don't run it all of the time as my tank is only 6 weeks old
and there isn't much in the tank to take up the Alk and Ca. When my alk
gets down to 8dKH, I turn on the CO2 and run it at 1 bubble per second
and the effluent at .02 ml as per the instructions. This is their
starting point.
<<And as good as any>>
I will shut of the CO2
once the alk hits 10 or 11 dKH. My Ca usually is in the 410 to 425 ppm
range. The strange thing is that once I run the Ca reactor for a day or
so, I see some of the rock (usually more evident where the coralline
algae is) start to get a whitish tone to it. It does not blow
off. Also, and more importantly, when I take a turkey baster, I can
blow off what almost looks like ash.
<<Sounds as if you may have
some carbonaceous material falling out of solution>>
This has
happened all three times I ran it.
<<You may want to consider
experimenting with different reactor media>>
I was wondering if it
was calcium precipitate, but how could it be?
<<Easy enough...the
water can only "hold" so much material. Maximizing alkalinity (11dKH)
and calcium (425ppm) over saturates the water with carbonaceous
material. Try test your alkalinity AND calcium after one of these
events...likely BOTH have fallen as a result>>
All of the parameters
are in check. I am not using limewater or any additive and I do 20%
water changes weekly with Reef Crystals.
Do you have any ideas?
<<The reactor is probably "too large" for the system (right now anyway)
and is producing to much alkaline and calcium reserve than the tank can
"use." I would turn to one of the two-part alkalinity/calcium
supplements for now. Based on your future stocking levels/specimens,
you may find you don't need the reactor>>
By the way, I am using
CaribSea Geo Thermal aragonite for the media.
<<Mmm, I see...this
product is likely soft/more soluble than others...try adjusting the
reactor effluent to a pH of about 7.0 the next time you use it and see
what results>>
I did buy a Kalk stirrer and plan on using it with my
dosing pump and float switch for top off water once I have the time to
set it up in a few days.
<<Proceed with caution here...for now
anyway>>
I appreciate your help.
Regards,
Ken
<<Always
happy to assist. EricR>>
Re: Coralline Algae/Alkaline
Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning – 12/07/06
Hey Eric,
<<Ken>>
Thanks for the reply.
<<Welcome>>
With regards to the calcium
issue, is it possible that my magnesium could be too low?
<<Testing
would tell...but no, this is not the reason your alkalinity rises so
fast when the reactor is operating>>
If so, what supplement do you
recommend?
<<I prefer the Seachem product...though “small and
infrequent” adjustments can be made using simple Epsom Salts>>
By
the way, the person at MTC said that I should switch to Instant Ocean
instead of Reef Crystals.
<<tomAto-TOMaTO...made/distributed by the
same company. But the Instant Ocean will be fine (is what I use) and
will save you a few bucks to boot>>
He said why use salt with all of
the extra ingredients in it when you are supplementing the tank anyway
with a Ca reactor? What do you think?
<<The difference in the mixes
is of small consequence here...in my opinion>>
Also, I have been
doing 20% water change per week.
<<Ah...though water changes are the
single best function you can perform, you might consider reducing this
to every 3-4 weeks to better give this “new” tank time to
stabilize/reach a balance between these changes. Once the tank has
“matured” for a year or so, and if stocking levels warrant, you may find
you need to “up” the frequency>>
Do you think this is too much at a
time?
<<Too much too often at this stage, yes>>
I can tell you
that after the water change, the corals close up for a while and my ORP
drops quite a bit.
<<The salt mix is quite “reactive” and irritates
the corals/fish...best to let newly mixed salt mature for a week or two
while being aerated/moved around with a powerhead>>
All goes back
eventually of course.
<<But not without exacting a “toll” in energy
used/lost>>
With regards to a two-part supplement, what do you
recommend?
<<E.S.V. or C-Balance>>
Do I need to use both parts
together to make it work? (Sorry for the dumb question).
<<Yes...do
follow manufacturer’s instructions closely>>
Lastly, wouldn't the
addition of limewater as top off and no further supplementation or Ca
reactor work for me at this point as long as I watch the alk and don't
let it go over 11 dKH?
<<You need to monitor both alkalinity AND
calcium...these elements are mutually exclusive at the high end of their
ranges, which is why you experience the precipitation events>>
I am
at 7.5 dKH right now.
<<A “tad” low>>
Why did you note to
proceed with caution?
<<You are already having problems with high
alkalinity and calcium when running the Ca reactor...utilizing
Kalkwasser in conjunction will compound the issue>>
By the way, I
evaporate approx 4 or 5 quarts per day right now.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Ken
<<Cheers mate, EricR>>
R2: Coralline
Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning - 12/08/06
Hey
Eric,
<<Ken>>
All noted.
<<Cool>>
You did mention that I
had high alkalinity but the testing doesn't bare this out.
<<...?>>
It was high when I first set up the tank, but has been in the 11-12 dKH
range ever since.
<<And this is the "high" end of the acceptable
range...couple this with calcium levels above 400ppm and you have the
"potential" for precipitous events>>
I waited until the alkalinity
hit 7-8 dKH before turning on the CO2. I measured morning and
night. The alk never hit 8dKH but I still got the precipitate.
<<Mmm...pretty sure you stated in a previous query your alkalinity had
reached 11dKH and with calcium at 425ppm>>
Something is odd here I
think.
<<Hmm, maybe...though likely much to do with the
newness/instability of the system>>
Oh yea and Ca was about 415 ppm.
<<Again, on the high end...>>
I didn't even have the CO2 running for
24 hours?
<<I'm still guessing the reactor needs more
tuning/backing-off on bubble/effluent rates>>
I am definitely
confused. Good thing that I can rest on the fact that this is a
relaxing hobby. :)
<<Ha! Indeed...>>
Regards,
Ken
<<Be
chatting, EricR>>
R3: Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca
Reactor Tuning - 12/08/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hey Ken>>
I did
have alkalinity at 11 dKH and calcium at 425 ppm, however the alkalinity
was at 8 dKH when I turned on the reactor.
<<Understood>>
I was
just confused at the precipitate in the tank.
<<As previously
explained...I think (?)>>
I also thought that 1 bubble per second
and effluent of .02 ml was not a lot.
<<Is all relative...may very
well be/appears to be too much for "your" system>>
I guess I am
wrong?
<<Just new...and learning...>>
Anyway, I ordered a new
solenoid as the one I have now I cannot adjust under this amount of 1
bubble per second as it doesn't seem to be too fine.
<<Mmm, I
see...might have been able to use a simple pinch-clamp on the hose in
conjunction with the current solenoid/metering valve>>
Also from
what the Ca reactor maker said, it should be running all of the time and
not off and on.
<<Bull...how can the "maker" know what your system's
needs are/what's best for your tank? Only by testing can you/anyone
determine if the Ca reactor needs to be fed CO2 on a full-time
basis. To help with pH swings, I have my Ca reactor on a timer that
turns off the CO2 when the lights come-on on my vegetable refugium
(refugium is on a RDP)>>
I will try it at maybe 30 or 40 bubbles per
minute and watch the tank and test morning and night for a few days and
see what happens.
<<Once you reduce the bubble-rate, adjust the
effluent until the effluent pH is about 7.0 with the CaribSea media>>
If I still have issues, should I use something like ESV two-part or
Kalkwasser (watching pH of course) until my tank has more of an
alkalinity and calcium demand?
<<Try the two-part over the
Kalkwasser for now...but honestly...with your current stock
list/stocking density, monthly 20% water changes should be quite
sufficient for maintaining the tanks earth elements>>
Also the Ca
reactor maker recommends aragonite for his reactor, is this a good
choice?
<<It is, most all reactor media is a "form" of
aragonite. Do look in to the larger "European style" (10mm nominal)
medias as carried by 'Premium Aquatics' and 'Aquarium Specialty' (the
latter is owned by a friend of mine). Scott at Aquarium Specialty also
has a Magnesium granulate that can be added to the CA reactor and may
help with maintaining this element as well>>
Lastly, I will cut back
on my water changes as per the last email.
<<For the best I
believe>>
What percent and how many times a month do you recommend?
<<With the tank so new and lightly stocked, I think 25% per month would
be just fine>>
Thanks,
Ken
<<Always welcome. Eric Russell>>
R4: Coralline Algae/Alkaline Precipitation/Ca Reactor Tuning - 12/12/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hello Ken>>
The tank looks good, but I am still
trying to figure out the Ca and alk deal. I haven't added anything to
the tank in a week.
<<Good>>
My alk was 9 dKH and Ca was about
385 ppm last night.
<<Both excellent values>>
I changed about 5%
water last Friday.
<<...thought we agreed to cut back on this and
let the tank find its "balance" *grin*>>
Right now I guess there is
no need to do anything.
<<Agreed>>
At what reading do you think
I need to take action?
<<As long as alkalinity stays within 8-12 dKH
and Ca between 350-450 ppm; and keeping both from being at the high end
of their respective range at the same time, then you need do
nothing. If any adjustments do need to be made then make "small" ones>>
I don't want to get involved in that two-part addition additive.
<<Ok>>
I have the Ca reactor and the Kalk stirrer and I would rather
go that route when the time comes.
<<Indeed...both are better
methodologies. And you could probably go ahead and use the calcium
reactor...with a different (harder) media and "fine tuning" of the
reactor effluent>>
By the way, I had checked my Mg and it was
somewhere between 1230 and 1260. So this doesn't appear to be low.
<<Nope>>
You mentioned about a larger media for the Ca
reactor. What would the purpose be for using this over the CaribSea
aragonite that I have?
<<Slower dissolution...as it appears now, the
calcium reactor is overwhelming your system>
By the way, I did get
myself a better Co2 controller for better control over how much is
added. I will hold off on the reactor until for the present.
<<I
would try a different media, crank-back the output, and see what happens
now>>
With regards to the Kalkwasser stirrer, can I dose some amount
with my top off water?
<<You can...if the system will handle it...>>
I have a Liter Meter and it administers is whatever you want to set it
at. It just takes that amount you want to deliver in a 24 hour period
and divides it into 150 doses.
<<Understood>>
That looks to be a
dose each 9.6 minutes. So if I dose as per my evaporation rate of a
gallon per day, this would mean it would dose .85 of an ounce every 9.6
minutes. I could also set with a timer and only have it dose for the
12-hour lights-off period. I would then tell the Liter Meter that it
doses 2-gallons a day so that it can dose the 1-gallon in that 12-hour
period that is needed.
<<Mmm, better to run 24/7 for better system
stability if will be your only means for top-off>>
I could also use
a timer and have it dose 1/2-gallon in 12-hours with limewater and then
does the other 12-hours with just my ro/di water. What do you think?
<<Ah, even better to run/dose separately. I would set the meter to add
the fresh top-off water (minus whatever volume of limewater you decide
to dose) throughout a 24-hour period, and then set the limewater to be
added during "lights out">>
Getting back to my "ash" debris on the
rocks. I had mentioned previously that I noticed this after I ran the
Ca reactor.
<<Maybe another indicator that the CaribSea media id
being dissolved "too fast">>
However I have not run it in a week and
I still noticed it when I blew off the rocks the last few days.
<<Likely the material will not go back in to solution and is
resettling...along with detritus in the tank...this is not
uncommon/unusual>>
Maybe it is not from the CO2 reactor and maybe
not calcium precipitate?
<<Possibly detritus>>
It's hard to
describe what it looks like on the rock except debris. Almost looks
like blowing ashes.
<<Does sound like "precipitate"...hmm or
maybe...you haven't added a flocculent to your system have you?>>
It
is not powdery like what I get when I use the turkey baster and blow out
the holes in the rocks.
<<I see>>
Could the rock be breaking
down at all?
<<Doubtful>>
The tank itself looks good. The two
tangs and the few soft corals/star-polyps look good. Phosphate is still
zero and nitrate is .15ppm using LaMotte.
<<All good>>
Thanks
and regards,
Ken
<<I'll wager everything will "settle
in/stabilize" with time and less "fiddling" of the system. Regards,
EricR>>
Tropic Marin Bio Calcium ... alk. anomaly
11/28/06
Hi guys/gals,
<Laura>
I have been using tropic
Marin bio calcium (powder) for 7 weeks as a way to boost calcium in my
75 SPS tank. I add 1.5 teaspoon per gallon of Kalkwasser for evaporation
hooked to a auto top off.
<Good methodology>
Before using the
new product I measured calcium at 365 and alk at 4.0 meg/l.
After
first week calcium was at 380, and alk is 5.0meg/l.
<I would stop
here>
I am adding the dose described on the jar, I scoop per 5
gallons. Problem is my alkalinity is soaring it is now 6.0 meg /l and
calcium is still at 365-370 after 7 weeks. I need help, I emailed tropic
Marin and asked if bio calcium raises alk, and they quick reply was no.
<Mmmm>
Something is not right, I have not added anything else to the
water except for Kalk.
<Not so... new salt mix... and Kalk>
I
use IO salt and add a little magnesium as IO is lacking it. I fail to
believe my 75 SPS is using 40ppm of calcium a day. Any advice?
thanks Derick
<I would slow to stop the use of the Bio Calcium
product... allow the alkalinity to drop on its own. Bob Fenner>
Excess alkalinity 10/27/06
Folks; hope you're well. I
have an embarrassing problem and couldn't really find an answer on your
excellent site.
My tank is a 46 gallon reef, running very well for
4-5 yrs, using two-part B-Ionic; parameters are usually "right on",
but I returned from a trip and somehow began interpreting my Salifert
KH/alk test backwards(!) and have been adding excess alk. component of
B-ionic so that now my dKH is almost 16 (hopefully not higher; that's
the top of the range on the test kit). Ca is 440; pH is 8.2. All fish,
corals, and inverts seem totally fine, and I have no snowstorms.
<Best to just "back off" of the two parts here... adjust through
regularly scheduled water changes>
How urgent is it to decrease the
dKH?
<Mmm, not very>
Should I step up h2o changes drastically,
wait it out, add a buffer of some sort, or....?
<Just the
regular...>
Thanks in advance! I'll have my head examined as soon
as my tank is back to normal!
<Heeeee! We might start a club. Excess
alkalinity Hi... Cheers, BobF>
75 Gallon FOWLR Alk
8/17/06
I have been cycling this tank for four weeks now and
current levels are:
PH-8.2
Ammonia-0
Nitrites-0
Nitrates-20
Calcium- 520
<A bit high...>
Alk- 8 dKH
I
haven't added anything to the tank chemical-wise.
<Odd that both
your Calcium and Alkalinity should be so high... and your pH...>
All
I have in it now is about 100 lbs live rock and 3 peppermint shrimp
which already took care of a growing Aiptasia (sp?) problem. The
substrate is AragAlive.
How could my calcium level have gotten so
high?
<The salt mix and the initial porosity of the LR and sand>
I am worried about coralline growth down the road.
<Not to be...>
IS there a way to raise my Alkalinity without raising the calcium at the
same time?
<Oh yes... a few ways... and this can/will likely occur
with just time going by here in a while. I would NOT start trying to
adjust, add anything here>
Or is this just normal in a new tank?
<Mmm, no... variable, depending on the nature of the substrates, water
make-up, the "quality" of the new LR...>
Also there is some brown
algae on the tops of some rocks and on the sand. I believe I read here
that this is normal and will go away soon. Is there anything I should be
doing to assure this? Thanks for the help.
<At this point...
reading:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/estbiofiltmar.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the linked files
above. Bob Fenner>
Brian
Baking Soda as a Buffer?
7/18/06
Hello WWM crewmatie,
<<Ahoy me heartie!>>
I have
a question about using baking soda for buffering RO/DI top-off water.
<<Alrighty>>
I have a 125 gallon mixed reef tank with LS, 125 lbs.
LR, calcium reactor and Milwaukee MSM 122 pH monitor. My tank was
established in May 2006. Generally speaking, so far, so good.
<<A
very young system...>>
I have not been adding anything to the RO/DI
make-up water I have been using these past couple of months (5-10% water
changes ~monthly and weekly for evaporation as needed).
<<Best to do
so in my opinion>>
This could explain why my Xenia are not doing so
good-right?.
<<Mmm no, more likely attributable to the "newness" of
this system>>
I did read the article listed in your website by
Anthony Calfo on "Understanding Calcium and Alkalinity" where he
mentioned using baking soda vs. a retail product is generally not
advised.
<<I actually "cut" the retail product with baking soda to
stretch its use/my dollar>>
Since I can and do monitor my pH
real-time, (1) can I use plain baking soda to prep my top-off water and,
if so, (2) is it best to add the baking soda just before use or 24 hours
before use while aerating it with a powerhead?
<<You can use plain
baking soda to "buffer" your makeup water. Just don't expect it to
bring up your pH much past 7.8 without some help. If you want it to
increase pH as well you will need to spread it on a baking sheet and
bake it in your oven to drive off the C02 used in its manufacture (300F
for an hour I think, but check the Chemistry forum on RC to be
sure). As for when to add to the makeup water, do this at least 24
hours prior to use and aerate as you describe>>
I do monitor KH with
readings between 10-14. My pH has been ranging between 8.0-8.
<<...?>>
I realize I should be maintaining it at the 8.3 range and
want to do so starting with buffering my replacement water.
<<Nothing wrong with 8.0, but if you wish to boost your pH you'll need
more than just baking soda. If you want to try my recipe...mix 1-part
Seachem's Reef Buffer with 3-parts baking soda. You can adjust the
portions depending on how much of a pH boost you need>>
Installing
an automated top-off system is my next project.
<<Very worthwhile>>
I'm no Homer Simpson, but every now and then I do deserve a "doh!" for
pulling a you-know-what.
<<Indeed my friend...been there...done
that>>
Gracias.
Steve
<<Cheers mate, EricR>>
Re:
Baking Soda as a Buffer? - 07/18/06
Hi Eric,
<<Hello Steve>>
Great Advice.
<<Glad you like it!>>
A follow-on comment and
question regarding pH.
<<OK>>
First, my pH has been ranging
between 8.0-8.1. Guess I was missing a digit in my initial email.
<<Ah, okay...and still an acceptable value>>
I have read that most
RO/DI water made from tap water has a pH of around 7.0 or so.
<<Usually a narrow window to either side of the scale, yes>>
Last
night, I checked mine (am using a 4-stage Spectrapure unit) and found
the pH to be 8.5!
<<Have heard/read of this before, and my own
experience is not too dissimilar...likely not a large concern>>
I
live in Southern California and understand the water is particularly
alkaline.
<<Indeed...have heard Bob mention more than once the
"liquid rock" in that area>>
Is it unusual for RO/DI water to have
such a high pH level?
<<While true one would expect pH to fall after
passing through the unit consideration need be given to the
elements/concentration of elements in the water, quality/age of the
membrane, as well as the quality/age/suitability of the resins
used. With my own situation my tap water measures a pH of about 8.4 but
my TDS consistently reads at about 80ppm. Since the majority of
aquarists (including myself) use a TDS meter to measure quality/useful
life of a RO membrane, who's to say what may be getting through/keeping
the pH elevated that we don't know/think about because it doesn't
register on our TDS meters? If your filter unit is up to snuff I
wouldn't be too concerned re the pH of the effluent...If you are curious
enough, you could talk to a chemist at the water company to try to
determine the reason for the elevated pH after filtration. And do
understand, this is all my own opinion/observation>>
This might
explain why my pH has been OK even while running a calcium reactor and
maintaining Ca levels of 400 ppm without a drop in pH.
<<Yes,
maybe>>
In any event, I did purchase some Seachem pH buffer and used
it this morning.
<<A good product/manufacturer in my opinion>>
A
salesperson at the LFS that I went to also mentioned putting baking soda
in the oven and cooking it for a while. She did not know why, but your
advice answered that question.
<<Ahh...good>>
OK, one last
question. Since my RO/DI water has such a high pH, should I even bother
with baking soda or a buffer like Seachem?
<<Probably, yes...you
will still likely need to buffer/boost alkalinity...which should not be
confused with pH>>
Thanks!
Steve
<<Happy to assist. EricR>>
Lowering KH: Fish panting 7/14/06
Hello WWM Crew you guys
are great! I have been reading through articles trying to find a Q&A
about lowering KH found a lot of article but nothing to
specific. I
have a 55g SW FOWLR and cleaning Crew had my water tested at the LFS
yester day Parameters Where;
<And were?>
Ph 8.3,
KH: 25,
S.G of 1.025
Ammonia 0,
Nitrite: Trace,
Nitrate: 10ppm
Temp stays steady at 80
I only have 2 Maroon yellow stripe Clowns
and 2 Damsels (Velvet, yellow Tail)
1 sand sifting star and 1
Chocolate Chip Star Cleaner are 7 Nassarius, 9-12 Blue Leg Dwarf hermit,
few scarlet reef hermits, 2 turbo snails
All the fish where... are
slow moving and breathing heavy...
<Good observation, bad behavior>
How do I Lower the KH or is it even a problem for them I also am running
a Berlin Airlift 60 Protein skimmer and power head with a with a wire
wheel
and an airline mixing in some oxygen so I hope the power head
was from a knock off SeaClone skimmer...
<Mmm, really, the best way,
and with many ancillary benefits here, is to change out a good deal of
your water (like a quarter) and replace it with new that is of a lower
KH... do this every handful of days...>
I also had a yellow tang
die yesterday :-( my wife's fave. fish too!!! What could have caused
this?
<... Life... No way to tell from here>
It had been doing
well for almost a month.
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ytangdisfaqs.htm
and the linked files
above... Anything look familiar?>
Then no more than him hitting
the sand for a sec about 6 Nassarius snails and three emerald crabs were
on his poor dead body just
feasting is it normal for them to be so
aggressive and fast at getting on the dead fish?
<Yes... a good sign
that they're healthy, not overfed>
I fed frozen Mysis shrimp every
other day and Seaweed to the tang every other day (was)... What am I
doing wrong...? Help me please!!!
<Read on my brother. Bob Fenner>
ALK of Water 7/4/06
Hi Folks,
I thought I
wanted/needed a Ca reactor. I just tested the water of my 12 month old
55 G aquarium for dKH for the first time to find results of 21 dKH.
<Yikes!>
My Ca++ is 400-420.
<...?>
Both tests use the
precipitate method. I seem to need to soften my water rather than
purchase a Ca Reactor?
<Mmm, no... but I would check these test
results with other gear>
What alarms me is the hardness more than
the Ca, although it too approaches high end level.
<This situation
is anomalous... but also likely not what it appears>
I do not treat
with anything except iodine once a week. I do a 5 G water change every
week, no extra buffers just IO salt mix & aerate a
few days before
use. I also top with 5 G FW each week after aerating. I also use
stability enzymes
<What are these?>
once per month. pH 8.2,
everything else is 0 except PO4 which I am reducing with Phosguard ~
2.0. Currently
exploring a whirlpool WHER 25 R/O for use...trying to
find out if it reduces phosphates/silicate adequately enough.
<...
should reduce to near zero. You have 2 ppm of soluble phosphate in the
water exiting from this reverse osmosis device? Something is amiss here
if so>
Ordered some ROWAphos to eliminate from incoming water and
tank water till I install R/DI unit.
<Oh... go with the RO>
Is
there something I should do today with these CA/ALK results or just
continue as planned?
<Continue, try other testing equipment... the
RO device. Bob Fenner>
Alkalinity Problem
6/5/06
Hello again.
<Hello Ryan> I need to bother you again,
sorry. Anyway I am having problems with my alkalinity it is always too
low about 1.7 meq. I work at a saltwater fish store and the water is DO
water which I read on your web site strips the minerals from the
water. I tested their saltwater (tropic Marin) and the alkalinity is
much higher than mine about 2.8 meq. and I change about 7 gallons a week
on a 55 gallon tank. So I don't understand what the deal is, alkalinity
is a weird thing to me. My PH is always really good about 8.2-8.4 but
according to your web site it could crash at anytime. I have been
adding a buffer to raise the alkalinity but I was wondering if there was
a long time solution to this problem. Could this be caused by over
skimming (remora pro)?
<No> Currently I have 80 pounds of live rock,
50 pounds of sand, kole tang, clown fish, Trachy brain, Favites brain,
bubble tip anemone, mushrooms, green star polyps, finger leather, torch
coral, and a couple small frags
of Montipora. All doing well except
for Favites which is showing a little recession. Any advice would
appreciated. Thank you very much, Ryan Nienhuis. P.S. All my other
water parameters are good calcium 400, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 0,
phosphate .2, PH 8.2. I use tropic Marin bio calcium when I need
to...not very often.
<Have you compared readings with a different
test kit? Would try this first. Do take a dKH/me/q reading of your new
water before doing the actual water change, see what that reads. Excess
CO2 in the make-up will lower dKH. Do aerate the freshwater 24 hours
before
mixing salt. You may want to try a different brand of buffer
such as Sea Chem's Reef Builder. Do reply and we will go from there.
Thanks again.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Alkalinity Problems 6/6/06 Hey thanks
for the response. <You're welcome.> The saltwater I use is pre
mixed at the store I work at and is stored in a 300 gallon tub that
is currently mixing via a dolphin pump. When I measured the
alkalinity at the store it is exactly the same thing I'm putting in
my tank and it is what they use in their tanks and they do not have
any alkalinity problems. I have used my own test kit and the test
kit at the store and they both read the same. Based on your reply
it sounds like alkalinity can be affected by poor aeration, correct?
<Yes, high nutrient levels will cause a drop also. Watch your
feeding.> I have plenty of flow in the tank about 9 gallons per hour
being circulated, the powerheads are pointing on a upward angle so
there is a lot of surface agitation. To me it seems like when I add
the saltwater to my tank something is either using (not the correct
way to say this) all of the alkalinity (minerals) or it is somehow
disappearing. I am really stumped about this. Since I am emailing
you anyway I have another question. The Favites brain I was
telling you about (receding) is a different color.... more neon
green than It was before and the tentacles are not coming out at
night. It almost looks as if it is covered in a thin layer of
mucous. I tried to rinse it a little bit but that didn't help, any
ideas? <I have none in this regard, Bob may inject something
here.> 230 watts of pc lighting, about 10 inches below water line
(lights on for 10 hours a day). I will try and attach a picture.
<Ryan, I believe you are borderline on lighting for this coral. The
green brains are usually found in shallower water and therefore
require more light than the brown/red varieties. Another point,
they seem to do much better placed on a sandy substrate. Another
point, are you dosing moly, magnesium, strontium, iodine, etc?
Occasional feedings of micro-plankton in the evening when the
tentacles are out will also benefit the coral. On
the alkalinity issue, I've posted a link for you to read which will
give you a better understanding of alkalinity.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/alkalinity.htm Thanks,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Ryan. |

|
Re: Alkalinity Problems - 06/07/06
Once again thanks for
the response.
<You're welcome.>
I do not believe that I am over
feeding ( 1 pinch of pellets per day) but it is possible that I have a
high nutrient concentration, because I have a lot of Aiptasia and
bristle worms but my water quality (things I can test) are all 0, so if
I was overfeeding shouldn't I at least have a higher nitrate reading
(like I said it is 0 ).
<Sounds to me like excess CO2 in the make-up
water and/or system.>
I have ordered the buffer you suggested and
will try that. Oh, yeah by the way I meant to say my water is cycling 9
times per hour via my powerheads not 9 gallons per hour.
<Yes, quite
obvious.>
Thanks for your time I will leave you alone for at least a
little while. Thanks, Ryan Nienhuis.
<You're welcome. James (Salty
Dog)>
Re: Alkalinity Problems
6/8/06
Ok now I'm really sorry for bugging you again, but you
said that it sounds like excess CO2 in my system, how exactly can I fix
this problem. I have plenty of water movement, would lowering the
salinity help
<Nope.>
(mines 1.024) or maybe lowering the
temperature a couple of degrees
<Nope>
(79-80 currently)?
<If you are using a sump with a drip plate, that should take care of any
excess CO2 in the display tank. Do aerate your freshwater 24 hours
before adding the salt. Use the aeration feature on your mixing
powerhead. If your using a deep sand bed with little or no critters to
stir it up, the hydrogen sulphide emitting from the bed will also cause
a drop in dKH.>
Thanks,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Ryan. P.S I will see if I can find anything on your website about this.
<More than likely in the FAQ's.>
Raising dKH
6/1/06
Hello WWM Crew,
<Hello Colin>
This is the first
time I contacted you with a question. Your great site has provided me
with tons of useful knowledge. My livestock and I wish to say a most
sincere thank you.
<You're welcome, and thank you for the kind
words.>
Now then, on to business. My tank is a 125 gal mixed reef,
which I consider to be quite healthy. All my parameters are well in the
norm, and my bio load is quite low. I'm more into corals than fish.
I recently began using Kalkwasser with my top offs. I've followed the
instruction, and setup a slow drip system using minimal amounts until I
can determine the ideal amount to maintain my calcium levels.
My
question is basically how Kalkwasser will affect my dKH? My dKH is down
to 8 from 9 or 10. I'd like to have it a little higher. Can you please
explain in simple terms, a safe way to raise my dKH. I'm concerned a
buffer might work against the calcium I'm constantly adding. Am I way
off here?
<Colin, I use Sea Chem Reef Advantage for doing
this. Have not seen any lowering of CA in doing this. Levels of 8-12
dKH are quite acceptable.>
Thank you much,
<You're
welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Colin Deveau
When
adding sodium bicarbonate fails... seesawing alk. and Ca concentrations
- 4/11/2006
Dear Crew
<Mike>
Thank you so much
for the Knowledge you have given me. I have gathered tomes of
information in my first year as an aquarist. Thank you! Now for the
fun part :)
<My fave>
I have heard that if you use baking
soda (cautiously) you can increase your dKH levels.
<Mmm...>
I have tried this method to no avail. Even when putting a
teaspoon of baking soda (Arm & Hammer brand - 100% sodium bicarbonate)
in a gallon of water (from a water change) and testing that gallon one
hour later, the results show (for both my test kits) 0 dKH. How does
that work out?
My tank is suffering from 0 dKH.
<0?>
Specs are as follows:
55gal nitrate, nitrite, ammonia,
phosphate, all at 0.
calc is 475ppm
<... source of
precipitation of your alkalinity>
trace silicate (< .1ppm)
My PH varies wildly (as I would expect) but always on the
high side. night readings in the 8.3 area - day readings nearing 8.8
No corals (yet), livesand 4" deep, 1 maroon clown (in QT now, soon to
be added), few crabs and snails, lots of live rock.
I
do not use an RO/DI unit as my tap water is near perfect. It has no
phos, nitrate, nitrite, or ammonia, and has high calcium (in fact, I
don't dose calc and still maintain 475ppm). Is my lack of water
filtering perhaps the problem after all?
<Mmm, not likely>
I
have tried mixing my make-up water (my weekly change - 10%) with two
teaspoons of baking soda (as prescribed by the forum members and LFS)
but still haven't seen an increase in dKH. I was previously using
Kent Marine Superbuffer-dKH in the same fashion with the same
results. I've Been doing this for about 2 months now. What else can
be done to increase dKH and stabilize my PH?
<... a bunch>
One other thing that might be worth mention (suspect #1 on my list) is
that fact that I am not sure what material my sand bed is. I
originally bought a cheap sugar-fine type of white sand (specifically
for marine tanks - not "play sand") though, sadly I do not recall the
brand name. Would slowly adding a few more inches of an aragonite sand
help my issue?
Thank you again for your time, effort,
and inspiration.
Sincerely,
Mike Price.
<...
Mike, please take a read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm
and the linked files
above. You are "this close" to the momentum/understanding... and
Antoine's article ought to bring some light. Bob Fenner>
Alkalinity Control 4/4/06
Hi Crew, <Hi Leif>
I'm hoping you can help me out. I have been reading through all of your
alkalinity FAQs and read Anthony's article several times and have
gained what I think is an understanding of my problem, but would like to
check if I may?
I have been adding calcium to my marine tank for
several months (Tropic Marin Bio Calcium) and had been maintaining a
calcium level of around
350-400 ppm without problems. Recently I
have noticed that the coralline has stopped growing and is receding and
bleaching. I tested calcium,
which was around 200 ppm and have
recently bought an alkalinity test kit (Aquarium Systems) which shows my
Alk as 6.5 meq/l (18dKH) which I now
realize is drastically high and
more than likely the reason that my calcium has dropped. <Yes.> I think,
from reading your FAQs, that the best way
for me to remedy this is
to perform some extra water changes. ( I had been adding sodium
bicarbonate to buffer my RO water for water changes
but I will now
have to monitor this much closer as I had never tested alkalinity until
yesterday.) <Not good.>
My question, other than asking for
confirmation that I understand the above correctly, is, will this high
alk affect my other livestock? <Should
not.> I have mushrooms,
polyps, snails, shrimps, crabs, some brown, red and green macro algae
and a few fish. I have noticed that the polyps haven't
been doing
too well lately and look a bit shriveled and not opening fully like they
used to. Could this be due to the high alk? <Don't think so.>
Also I
had a few snails die mysteriously last week, could this too be due to
high alk? <Again, don't think so. May have lived out their lives or
other water parameters amiss.>
I change out at least 10% of the
water weekly and put new PolyFilter and carbon in the canister monthly.
There is plenty of water movement
and about 30lbs of live rock with
about a 1cm covering of crushed coral substrate.
My other specs are
as follows;
30 Gallon,
Ammonia + nitrite 0,
Nitrate 10ppm
pH 8.4 - stable (never changed and I test regularly)
Calcium -
200ppm
Phosphate - trace.
Lighting is 2 x 30watt - 10,000K Ocean
sun (zoo-med)
1 x 30 Watt Phillips Coral Life (purple coloured).
<Purple, assuming it is an actinic tube? You're lighting is border line
for keeping soft corals. Suggest at least 120-150 watts of lighting.>
Any help or clarification would be much appreciated.
<You can reduce
the alkalinity by using SeaChem's pH reducer (freshwater product).
Do not follow dosing instructions on bottle. Use 1/2 recommended dose
and only dose once daily till dKH levels drop to 8-12dkH.>
Thank
you, <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Leif
Re:
Alkalinity and Calcium levels 4/4/06
FYI
I
found out why my Alkalinity was so low. The test kit went bad:-( I
bought a new kit and tested the values of my tap, RO and tank water. All
are just fine. That is a new lesson learned for me! <Ah, good to hear.
Thank you for the follow up. James (Salty Dog)>
Alkalinity Problem (I'll Say!) - 03/22/06
I have a 20 gallon
reef tank with only some yellow polyps and a gorgonian in it. I also
have 7 or 8 small gobies in the tank, which are around an inch each. I
have calcium levels around 420 and my alkalinity is really high 20meq or
higher.
<<Yikes!!!>>
How do I lower this? Please let me know.
<<Mmm...are you adding supplements? If so...why?...considering your
tank inhabitants. But I think your test kits are suspect...I seriously
doubt your calcium and alkalinity are that high and you're not having
other issues (rapid and catastrophic precipitation of the earth elements
from the water volume). But to be safe, perform a couple large water
changes...then retest with new/different test kits (both calcium and
alkalinity).
Thanks...
Robin
<<Regards, EricR>>
Alkalinity Problem (I'll Say!) II - 03/24/06
I have been adding
Reef Buffer (Seachem) because every couple of days my pH drops and if I
so not add that it will keep on dropping and the fish will be
dead. When I first put the buffer in the pH is 8.3 but in a few days
7.9 to 8.0.
<<7.9-8.0 is not as bad as you may think. Did you
validate your test kit readings? If so, I recommend you stop using the
buffer. It has its uses but in this instance I think it may be being
misused/overkill (not necessarily your fault). On a 20 gallon tank,
with the inhabitants you listed in your previous email, I think you will
be much better served to do a 20% water change weekly to maintain pH,
trace/earth elements, etc.. The water changes also have the added
benefit of removing/reducing pollutants and keeping calcium/alkalinity
in balance...something the buffer can't do. Regards EricR>>
Re: hi alk and hi calcium - 03/12/2006
> > Just following
up with your recommended changes on the high alk/calcium condition I
have from last week.
> > I took Bob's suggestion to read and after
spending hours scavenging over FAQ's and related articles on your
website I still have NOT found any clear answer to my issues, but I
followed Bob's recommendations and several website recommendations and
so far had little success. This is what I have done. 1-removal of some
or all of substrate as Bob recommended-I removed roughly 60% of my
crushed coral substrate over my plenum-about 3". 2-removed some bio
stars out of my Rena xp3 filter because
> > one FAQ stated once
there is an established plenum or substrate, bio material out of the
filter can be slowly eliminated to reduce the nitrates
<This is
so... in an otherwise stable, established system>
> > that the
filter naturally produces. My nitrate is hovering around 40ppm prior to
changing out the bio stars and replacing them with more carbon.
I
need to wait and see on this one since it was only done two days ago.
<Yes>
> > 3-increased salinity to 1.025 from 1.021 slowly over one
week and so far all corals and starfish are doing fine except for my
mushrooms! 4-lowered tank temp from 82-77. My tank fluctuates approx.
2-3 degrees through the course of an 8 hour 250x2 metal halide lighting
cycle and I heard on the FAQ's that this is NOT a big deal but please
reconfirm.
<Should be fine>
Now the tank is at 77 at night
>
> and 79-80 prior to the lights going out. I performed water changes
over a one week period I changed over 50% of the water but maybe I
should change more?
<I would likely not change more>
> >
Readings for alk 15 dKH, calcium 500ppm. I checked my Salifert check
kits by checking r/o and top off water and they are o.k. and relatively
new plus the alk did come down about 3 points.
<Good>
> > The
only other suggestions Bob suggested or that I read in the FAQ's that I
haven't done yet are;
> > 1. removal of all substrate/plenum and
replace with live sand.
> > 2. add a fine sand over top of existing
coarse coral/plenum like Carib-sea Special grade. (approx. 2-3")This
would obviously be the easiest thing to do and I would hate to remove
all corals, live rock etc to take the plenum out.
> > 3. change R/o
filters which I have on order but I was told I need a TDS test kit
>
> to properly measure dissolved solids and I should not just refer to
nitrate readings of 10ppm that I have now with current aged filters.
<Mmm, you could take a sample of water into a business that specializes
in water treatment (see your "Yellow Pages") and have them test...>
> > 4. continue with massive water changes.
> > 5. switch from Red
Sea to Instant Ocean salt. It seems like quite a few aquarists have
done this.
<Yes>
> > I am at a loss now and would like any
further suggestions.
> > regards,
> > Al Standaert
<Really
just what you've done and listed... and time going by. Bob Fenner>
Alkalinity question 2/9/06
Hi Guys!!! <And gals!>
Greetings from Canada! <And from Michigan.> I was wandering whether you
have a spot in your busy schedule for few questions.<Just found one.>
So, here is what I worry about. I have quite a new tank, about 3 months
old. Only at the beginning of January I start adding live stock to it (http://www.math.ubc.ca/~barannyk/Aquarium/FishTank.html).
Last weekend I did routine tests and decided to check Ca+ level. It used
to be ~400 ppm (Aquarium Farm.) but now it is 370 ppm. Still in the
appropriate range according to the article on your site. <It's fine.> So
I decided to check Alkalinity as well, just in case. Though I never
perform that test. So I bought a Salifert kit and did a test yesterday,
it showed 4.23 meq/L It's higher then 3, the number indicated in the
article by Anthony Calfo). But I am not sure that it is high enough.
Would you suggest to perform any steps at this point or should it stay
as it is? <Your meq/L reading converts to 11.8 dKH which is fine. I
like to keep dKH in the 8-12 dKH range.>
The another question is
actually about my anemone, it seems like it does not feel good and
honestly I don't have any idea what is wrong with it. <Anemones are
difficult to keep long term to begin with. Do you do 10% weekly/20%
bi-weekly water changes? Are you dosing strontium, iodine, etc? You
don't mention what kind of anemone it is or type/wattage of lighting you
are using. Most require intense lighting to survive.> I feed it once
every three days. <Do read here. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm>
And the last one is connected with the first question. I observed
strange white spots on the shell of my red shrimp and emerald crab.
Could this be connected with the lack of calcium in the system? <No on
the calcium issue. I'm thinking there is a lack of iodine in the system
and these animals are trying to molt and require iodine supplements to
help this process along.>
That is probably it.
Thanks in
advance <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Alex
dKH problem
- 01/12/2006
I currently have a 65 gal tank ammonia 0, nitrite
0, nitrate 10 sal 1.024 temp 76.4 phos 0, but currently my dKH is up to
14 and the calcium is at 480
I'm not really sure what happened but
what can I do to fix this or
will it subside safely back
to normal level. FOWLR tank <Don't do anything, it certainly won't
increase any and will lower with time. James (Salty Dog)> <<Mmm, how
did these values get to be so high? RMF>>
Lowering my Alk
1/1/06
Greetings..<Hello Bruce> Have learned a lot from your
site. a lot of good information posted. So much so that I'm getting a
little confused.
I have a 55 gallon tank that has been up and
running for about a year.
For the longest time I used the Kent
Calcium Supplements (1 cap full a day). Tank was doing well I was happy.
Then I changed to the Tropic Marine Bio-Calcium about a month ago.
After a week of using this new product I noticed a white substance on
the water heater and was told by my local fish guy that I had a
Calcium/Alkalinity problem.
I did a Calcium Test and got a number of
120. Didn't have a dKH tester at the time.
For the last two weeks I
have done about 3 water changes (approx 25%)
Tonight did a water
test: Calcium 225, Alkalinity dKH 18+ Ph is 8.4. water source is
RO. Also, there still is a little bit of white stuff on the heater
(Calcium build up?)
After reading all of the articles, I understand
that I need to do a water change in order to lower (dilute) my dKH #
But how much of a water change should I do? (25%, 30% or 50%) and if
your recommending a 50% change is that over the course of a week or same
day?
Also. a water change should also mean less Calcium in the water
too right?
. I'm just unsure what to do next after I've
done the water change. Add more Bio-Calcium or go back to the Kent
products?
Ugh. I'm so confused. as I can tell my tank is stressed. I
liked the article about the marbles that helped me understand the
relationship between Calcium and Alkalinity. <Bruce, don't add anymore
calcium until you get your dKH down. The high dKH is just depleting the
calcium. It isn't totally necessary to change water to resolve
this. What you want to do is buy some SeaChem Acid Buffer (freshwater).
DO NOT follow the dosing directions on the bottle, divide that by half,
we don't want sudden ph drops. Use daily and this should lower your dKH
by 0.3 per day.
The idea here is to start taking some of that buffer
out of the bank by means of introducing acid into the system. James
(Salty Dog)>
Water so hard you can chew it - 4/12/05
Hi Crew,
I hope someone responds quickly in case I need immediate
action.
<How's this?>
I prepared two five gallon containers of
salt water a week ago for a small water change. I checked the pH of the
mixed salt water and it was slightly low as was the Alkalinity in my
tank, so I added buffer to the two containers of pre-mixed salt water.
<Good to use the buffer to address low alkalinity... but not pH alone.>
I mixed well and aerated with a small power head and added to the tank.
The buffer evidently was not dissolved and the entire tank clouded up.
<As in "went milky" with cloudiness? It sounds like you had an imbalance
in calcium/alkalinity -- calcium too high for the water to be able to
support this additional input of carbonates. The result? The whole darn
lot falls out of solution in a self-perpetuating reaction.>
I mixed 3
teaspoons in each five gallon container (instructions were 1 teaspoon
per 80 liters of water).
<This is a lot of buffer to add to five
gallons of water.... too much.>
I have added before to make up water
without any problems, but this time it did not dissolve. I know the salt
water was well mixed as it was aerated for a whole entire week. My tank
is 250 gallons in total capacity. I have added carbon to try to clean,
but do you think I have a big problem? It seems to me I heard somewhere
that if buffer does not become soluble, it can precipitate something and
cause a big problem. I used Kent super dKH buffer. Please let me know if
I really messed up.
<Do you add calcium supplements? If so, you do
need to be testing for calcium in addition to alkalinity. In addition,
you should only add an amount of buffer that the water can support --
whether this be your change water or the tank water.>
Thanks for your
quick response.
<I would let the reaction run its course. Once the
"cloudiness" has disappeared altogether, you will likely find you have
very low calcium and alkalinity. A series of water changes will help to
bring them back up.
Steven
<Best regards, John>
Water so hard
you can chew it - II 12/5/05
John,
Thanks for your quick
reply.
<Welcome!>
Update: water cleared completely and I checked
the Alkalinity and ph. The alkalinity is a color chart (no numbers) and
it read almost exactly the color that is the highest alkalinity. Ph is
right about 8.3, this is also with a color chart. I have a reagent style
Red Sea test kit which is relatively new.
<Sounds good. You need to
get some decent (reagent or electronic) test kits>
I added a calcium,
iodine and strontium supplement as you indicated my calcium may be low.
I don't have a test kit for calcium; however I will try to get one
tomorrow.
<I think you misunderstood my previous response... an
imbalance of alkalinity or calcium is what is causing you these
problems. You need to be testing for both calcium and alkalinity.>
Any chance this event was toxic to the fish, snails, or crabs? They seem
to be acting "normal" grazing off of the live rock and ate some sea
veggie sheets I fed after the water cleared.
<Unlikely>
I had
thought it was normal to buffer pre-mixed salt water, but I guess not
the case here. I am assuming there was too high of a calcium level in
the salt water I mixed to sustain the buffer as you indicated. I will
buffer in the future if needed using the top off water, as I have never
had any problem doing so. The water is double carbon pass, double RO
pass, double UV pass, and then deionized so it is doubtful there was an
issue with the water.
<Yes, it is normal to buffer it slightly....
but three teaspoons per five gallons is an insane amount of buffer to
add to pre-mixed saltwater.>
In any case I hope all is well here and
with you.
<Very well. Thanks for writing... John>
Thanks, Steven
Saltwater Chemistry 10/31/05
I've had fish in my 40 gallon tank
for a month now (after a month of 30 lb of live rock cycling). Future
plans call for soft corals.
<Okay>
For the past month, pH has been
8.2 -8.3, temp 75, nitrite 0, nitrate 0, specific gravity 1.023 - 1.024.
Calcium started at 330 and I've slowly increased it to 450 with Kent
liquid calcium. My Mardel test kit lists alkalinity at 240 (which is the
middle of their buffer zone). How does this alkalinity scale relate to
dKH?
<Is one measure... carbonate hardness... generally principal
component of total or general hardness... often described as alkalinity:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=0&cat=1968&articleid=2765
>
Before finding your web site, I chose 1 1/2 inches of dolomite as a
substrate. It is about 3mm diameter. I'm considering replacing it with 1
inch deep of aragonite.
<Dolomites are compounds of calcium carbonate
and magnesium carbonate... Aragonitic material is principally calcium
carbonate... more soluble...>
I thought I would leave a couple inches
of the dolomite around the live rock (whose foot print is about 40% of
the tank floor) to avoid major stirrings of the tank. Is this a
practical move with fish already in the tank?
<Mmm, yes>
Does
algae grow on aragonite more or less than dolomite?
<Less in most
circumstances>
I've read "Conscientious" a few times and have "Reef
Invertebrates" (Calfo & Fenner) and "Aquarium Corals" (Borneman) on my
Christmas list.
<Good books. Bob Fenner>
Alkaline test
kits 9/21/05
Bob, <James today>
Great website and you
guys do a great job. I have a question regarding Alkalinity Tests. I'm
using a Nutrafin KH test (titration). I dropped 40 drops and multiplied
this number x10 (as per test instructions). Why do I see a reading of
400mg/L and a lot of your website's conversations refer to numbers in
the low double digit range? Should I be converting my results by some
formula? <Allan, if my memory serves me right, I'm thinking you have to
divide this number by 50 for a dKH reading. If I'm incorrect, Bob may
insert something here. James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks,
Allan
Re: alkaline test kits 9/22/05
Thanks. That dKH reading
would still be around 200. <Allan, 400mg divided by 50 = 8> Does that
make any sense? Also, I recently switched a 125 gallon over to
marine. I've been "trying" to cycle the tank with 80 lbs. live sand and
100 lbs. cured live rock for exactly two weeks. I have off-chart
ammonia reading since this past week with 0 nitrites. <You will
have. There is a tremendous amount of die off in live rock. A recent
tank I did took three weeks for the ammonia levels to start dropping.> I
added 6 ounces bio-Spira because I believe in fantasies. All visible
live forms on the rocks have died (contributing to the ammonia, I
believe).<They (most of) will come back> Is the ammonia level so high
that it will kill nitrifying bacteria and no start cycling? I've been
referring to my non cycling tank as DEATH VALLEY! <If there was a good
colony of bacteria present the ammonia level would have dropped. You
have to remember that ammonia levels in a established tank doesn't
require a huge bacterial colony to denitrify. I a new live rock
situation, as you've experienced, the ammonia levels are off the
scales. It will take longer for a large enough bacteria colony to
develop to handle the large load. Have patience my friend. Patience
will be the #1 thing going for you in this hobby. If you are low on
patience, this hobby is not going to be rewarding for you. And, read,
read, read. James (Salty Dog)>
HELP!
Thanks,
Allan
Alkalinity additives part 2 8/12/05
Thanks Adam, I like your
method. Would it be ok to add the part B-Ionic while the lights are off?
I leave my house at 4:30 AM so it would be difficult to try and space
them out in the same day when I returned home from work. Or do you think
it would be a better idea to dose the tank using alternating days. Part
A one day and part B the next? Thanks again for your help! <Adding the
alkalinity component before you leave for work would be ideal since this
is when the tank pH is the lowest. It is OK that the lights are
off. You could then add the Ca component in the evening. Alternate
days are OK too, but easier to lose track of. Best Regards. AdamC.>
Alkalinity too high?
Hey boys,
< And girls... but boy
tonight. >
I have a bit of a dilemma and I'm hoping any of you could
help me out. Here it is, my 155 gal has been running for about five
months. During the first few months I was listening to my LFS and
dosing baking soda in my water change. < Not a bad idea, but usually
new tanks are not in need of such additives. > As a beginner, I thought
that my LFS knew what he was doing. Fortunately, I didn't loose any
stock and the last four months I'm trying to correct the alkalinity
problem with regular weekly water changes. Here's the thing, I'm not
able to bring the alkalinity down from 5.5 Meq. < Don't worry, that
level is perfectly fine. > I've tested the kit ( which is accurate), the
tank water with a test kit at my LFS. My tap water reads 0 alkalinity
but my new salt water is 5.5 Meq. So, I've found the source which is my
water changes. I use Instant Ocean salt mix and I use RO/DI water with
an air pump and a heater and let it sit in a garbage can for two days. <
wow you do all the stuff you should. > Right now, I think that there
maybe remnants of baking soda in the garbage can. So I rinsed and
scrubbed out everything I can. Do you think it's the salt mix? <
Instant ocean is a little high in alkalinity, which is why I use it. >
This is my second tub of Instant Ocean and both waters have the same
reading. As of now, my calcium is 300 and my alkalinity is 5.5Meq
(=15.4kH). As of now I would really like to get my calcium levels
higher so I can add some hard corals and stimulate coralline algae. < I
really don't think you have a problem. In fact I would love to be in
your situation. > I still have a fair amount of algae. Any thoughts
would be appreciated. < Okay ready? Here is what you do. You need to
start adding a small amount of a Calcium only additive. Something like
turbo calcium. But do not add a two part solution like B-ionic. Just
slowly bring your calcium up to 400 and keep it there. Your alkalinity
will slowly come back down over the next few months (as things in your
tank use it up). Just try to hold your calcium where you want it. And
trust me, high alkalinity is far better than low alkalinity. >
Nilesh
< Blundell >
Alkalinity
I have just purchased
a Hagen KH test kit. The instructions are to multiply each drop by 10 to
obtain reading in mg/l or ppm. They state a final reading of 125 mg/l
or ppm is unusually high. I have a reference book I use written by John
H Tullock and it quotes the readings to be between 9-12 dKH or 160 to
220 ppm. I am now confused why there is a big difference regarding this
statements. Most likely I have gone wrong with some conversion. Just
want to double check before i continue. At present I have stopped at 9
drops
Regards
Alan <<Mmm, perhaps a difference of opinion... maybe
a statement re freshwater versus marine... RMF>>
Alkalinity
Hey Bob, <James, today>
Jason here. I have been reading various
articles on your website regarding pH, KH in dKH & CA. I have
reefkeeping for almost 10 years now and I rarely have issues with
my test readings. During the past week or so my KH reading is 4.8 and
it normally averages around 11-12. Ph is 8.2, Ca is 350 and KH in dKH
is 4.8. If everything else is testing ok, what would make the KH go
down if Ca & ph are fine? Also, what can I do to lift it? All
inhabitants are looking fine. 0 nitrate, 0 nitrite & 0 ammonia. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am presently using a
Salifert KH/alk test kit. Thanks!!! <Jason, one thing that will lower
dKH is CO2. My preferred method of making up new water is to aerate the
freshwater with a powerhead with an aerating feature such as the
Hagen's. This will rid any CO2 from the makeup water. You don't
mention what kind of alkalinity booster you are using. I find Sea
Chem's Reef Builder to work very well. Excess nutrients in the system
will also cause this along with an overstocked system. James (Salty
Dog)>
Confusion On Alkalinity - 06/09/05
Hello,
<<Howdy>
I've been reading your FAQs for months now and couldn't do
without it!
<<Lots of good info there, yes.>>
I have a couple of
questions. First I have a 55 gallon tank that has been cycling with LR
for about 4 weeks.
Ammonia .25
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 0
pH
8.4
Salinity 1.023
Temp 80
I've notice my LR is starting to
turn white in several places.
<<A common occurrence...bleaching of
the calcareous algae that was on the rock when shipped/received. It
will recover/be replaced with new in time.>>
I did the following
tests: General hardness and got 16 dKH and Carbonate hardness and got
1dkh.
<<Mmm...I would use carbonate hardness to test/measure your
alkalinity...and get a new/different test kit, I don't think that
reading is correct.>>
I'm wondering if I should try and take care of
this hi/low problem now or wait until the cycling of the tank is
finished.
<<Not a high/low issue here...don't make this harder than
it needs to be by trying to measure GH/KH against each other; use
carbonate hardness as your measurement for alkalinity and retest with a
new kit. And yes, I would wait till the tank finishes cycling before
trying to supplement/make corrections with additives.>>
I used tap
water that has been dechlorinated and that has sat for at least a
week. Could this be part of my problem as well?
<<Not sure you have
a problem here, but I would recommend looking in to some type of water
filter (R/O, Kold-Steril, etc.), and buffer all water used for
evaporation replenishment and saltwater prep.>>
Oh, I have no
substrate in the tank yet. Planning on sand and crushed coral, will
that help too?
<<Yes>>
Thanks in advance!!!!!!!!!!!
<<You'll
find some useful info here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/alkalinity.htm and at the related links
in blue.>>
Anne
<<Regards, Eric R.>>
High Alkalinity -
06/04/05
Greetings WW Crew
I hugely appreciate WWM and all
the effort you put in to sustaining a well informed , thoughtful, AQ
community. Your work is important and should accompany every tank sold
as required reading.
<<Wow, high praise indeed...the Crew thanks
you.>>
I have recently ( 3 mo.s) taken over husbandry of a 100 gal
reef tank with the following population: Live rock, 3" aragonite bed,
two open brains ( 3" dia) , one hammer coral , 10 or so small Caulastrea
polyps , two small mushrooms , one large mushroom (3"), some zoo's, two
clowns in a green carpet anemone , 1 blue damsel , 1 watchman goby, 1
Pseudochromis and assorted cleanup critters. It has a Turboflotor 1000
skimmer and about 10x/hour cycling through the system with an additional
10x flow from a second current pump. For the past 2 months I've been
wrestling with getting my Alk / Ca balanced , well , a little more
balanced.
<<Should not have to "wrestle" with this. Let's see what
we can do...>>
Ca hovers around 300 ( never lower , sometimes a
little higher, Seachem test) and my Alk is consistently in the 14.5 -
15.5 range (Salifert test) , varying up and down over the course of 10
days.
<<Have you tried a different test kit for both? Either a new
kit or even a different brand, just to validate your readings.>>
I
use Instant Ocean salt and commercial R/O water for 20 gal water changes
every 2 weeks.
<<Very good.>>
R/O water tests as almost zero
alk. I haven't added Kalk for a while (once in last month) as I assume
it'll push the alk even higher.
<<Maybe...but should be of little
concern if monitored and applied correctly.>>
I've trawled through
the FAQ's and while there's a wealth of info on raising ALK there seems
to be a dearth on how to lower it.
<<"Raising " does seem to be the
more common problem.>>
Everything in there seems to be doing fine
and seems stable.
<<Yes...your readings (if accurate) are not as bad
as you may think...stability here is the key.>>
However I'd like to
be able to raise the Ca and slowly steer the tank over the next year
toward SPS rather than the mixed population it has currently but am not
sure how to proceed safely.
Any advice or a redirect to a good
source of info would be very welcome. Let me know if you need to know
more about my setup.
<<I'd start with a large (70%) water
change. Be sure to aerate and BUFFER your R/O water before adding your
salt mix. You might want to test this before adding it to the tank to
see what is going on here. Test your calcium and alkalinity after the
water change and see if things are more "balanced." Considering your
current stock list, once balanced, you should be able to maintain your
calcium and alkalinity with the water change schedule you mention. As
odd as it may seem, not buffering your R/O water may be what's throwing
things askew. You can use simple baking soda for this, though I like to
mix mine 3 to 1 with Seachem's Reef Buffer for the added boron. I'd
also having a peek at the Reef Chemistry Forum (http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=112)
on Reef Central...lots of good info to be found.>>
Thanks, Dan
<<Regards, Eric R.>>
High Alkalinity...Thanks - 06/06/05
Thanks for your reply - I've got more water coming tomorrow so I'll try
the adjustments you suggested over the next few days and let you know.
Interesting about the buffer...
Thanks again, Dan
<<Much
welcome. Do write back to let us know how things progress. Eric R.>>
- Buffering and Kole Tang Feeding -
Greetings to all,
1. I
have been adding RO water to my tank on a regular basis, about a gallon
every two days to replenish evaporation. I have looked at the pH of
this top off water and noticed that it is typically below 7.0, usually
between 6 and 7. To adjust the pH I have been adding baking soda to
bring the pH to about 8.2 (per red sea kit). I was wondering if this is
appropriate or does the baking soda stay behind when the water
evaporates like the other salts in the synthetic sea water. <No...
buffers in your water are used up over time. Buffering your top-off
water with baking soda is the best approach.> If it does would the pH
continue to rise or does the pH get "used up". <The latter.> I do weekly
10 gal water changes and the tank is an 80 gallon tank. Have not had
any water quality problem to speak of but have noticed a tendency of the
pH to drop over time but I was not adjusting top off water back then.
<Is typical.>
2. Recently purchased a yellow eyed tang (Kole
tang). Fish is healthy and all but so far has not been feeding. He/she
has found a spot in the rockwork that faces the rear of the tank so it
is difficult to observe. The fish has been in the tank about 3 and 1/2
days. <Give it some time, with some luck it will feel more at home in
the tank and decide to come out more.> I do have a fair amount of micro
algae on the back glass. <Is this truly micro algae or Cyanobacteria -
the tang won't eat Cyanobacteria.> Other residents are a fox face,
ocellaris clown, skunk cleaner shrimp and a pair of emerald crabs along
with some snails. Feeding a sheet algae product to the fox face and
pelletized food to the clown which the fox face also eats. Looking for
suggestions for the tang and for an idea as to how long this guy can go
without eating. <Not more than a week or two... would try and get some
algae down to where it lives as it might fear competition with the
Foxface.
Cheers, J -- >
High alk?
Hi crew,
Just
wanted to start by saying thanks for all the help. It's nice to have
somewhere to ask questions without someone trying to sell you something.
I notice that just after I do a water change, my alk goes really high. I
did a water change Sunday night and today my alk is reading 16dKH(5.71
meg/L). It usually settles down to around 14dKH after a week. My calcium
is also about 380ppm. Is this too high?
<Mmm, not too high, but the
alkalinity is on the high side>
If so, what can I do to correct it.
<I would not "do" anything...>
The only thing I add is I drip Kalk
at night. If it matters, I use Red Sea salt in my tank. I keep hearing
of people having trouble getting alk up but never trying to lower it.
Any advice would be great. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
Larry
<Thank you Larry. Try cutting back on the Kalk habit and see if this has
any discernible effect in a week or two. Bob Fenner>
Questions
Regarding Alkalinity
Hi there,
I've searched the FAQs and the
net for some quick answers to my questions, but haven't found what I was
looking for. It seems that the responses only complicate the answer and
confuse me more... So here are the questions Thanks in advance!
1. If
my alkalinity is low can I use Kalkwasser to increase it?
<Mmm, no...
calcium hydroxide has no carbonate, bicarbonate content...>
2. Will
Kalkwasser impact my pH?
<Yes... hydroxides are strong bases...>
3. Is Kalkwasser's main purpose to 'maintain' KH and Ca at the current
levels (not used to increase them)?
<... please see WWM re...>
4.
Assume that Alk is low and CA is low... should I use separate additives
to reach desired levels... and then begin dripping Kalk?
<You can...>
5. Dripping Kalk won't actually increase levels unless it drips faster
than the evaporation rate correct?
<What? No... almost all that
evaporates is simply water... Please take your time here, learn what
these concepts are, their interrelationships... not difficult with some
application of your time, focus. See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/calcalkmar.htm and follow where the
linked files at top lead you. Do you have a marine aquarium book? I'd
look into Baensch Marine Atlas V.1... for simple, complete explanations
of the basics of aquarium chemistry and physics... Bob Fenner>
High Alkalinity in Newly Mixed Water
Dear crew,
<Christopher>
Thanks for the great site. I have been reading on WWM along with other
resources for several months, and have recently started my first
saltwater tank, which I intend to be a FOWLR tank initially. I'll
probably bore you with all of the details of my set-up someday, but for
now I have specific issue that's really bugging me.
My question
involves calcium/alkalinity. After preparing my first batch of water
starting with an RO/DI unit, then aerating/heating x 24 hours, and then
adding Instant Ocean, the readings were as follows: alkalinity dKH 16
(Salifert), calcium 520 (also Salifert) with pH 8.3, SG 1.023 and temp
80. Is this even possible?
<Mmm, yes>
I tested the RO/DI water
prior to adding salt just to check, which had very low calcium and Alk
(as expected I guess).
<Yes, should be>
This evening I prepared
another garbage can full (clean Rubbermaid used just for this purpose),
using the same protocol and same Instant Ocean batch, and ended up with
these numbers: Alk 15, similar pH and salinity at same temp. Now I can't
even get a calcium reading. The Salifert kit requires adding "Reagent
#3" until the initial pink color turns blue. The problem is it turns
blue prior to adding any "Reagent #3", making me think the calcium is
very low (?).
<Shouldn't be>
My 'pre-cured', but overnight-mailed
live rock has been in the tank for 5 days and the tank is in need of a
water change. For this reason I used 6 gallons (conservative) of this
second batch to do so (matched salinity and temperature, but ? calcium
concentration). The calcium in the tank (65 gallon with 10 gallons in
sump) dropped from around 450 to about 250, checked 1 hour after this
water change.
<Not surprising... this happens... part of my years
back pitch to Walt Smith to make "Fiji Gold" products...>
I observed
no obvious precipitation. The alkalinity in the tank at this time was
14.7, with pH 8.3. I fear this was a bad move.
<No... no problem>
Do the kits sound obviously messed-up, or is it the owner of the kits?
<Neither>
My plan for tomorrow (Oh, look at the time, I mean later
today), is to buy new synthetic seawater mix, take a sample of my tank's
water and new mixed water to my LFS for analysis, and consider new test
kits if there are discrepancies. I understand Salifert is a good brand,
but I can't find an expiration date on the kits. Sorry for the
circuitous explanation, but any thoughts or advice would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
<Instant Ocean of late has become
something of an anomalous inconsistency... your readings for new water,
use with/for live rock curing are fine. Bob Fenner>
Beginner
w/Soft Corals, actually marine alkalinity, biominerals
Hello
Crew,
I hope that you are able to respond to this email as none I
have sent previous to this one have been answered.
I have been
reading your website extensively but the more I read the more confused I
get.
I am a beginner trying soft corals and need your advice.
Tank Facts
55 gallon w/2 clownfish only and 50 lbs live rock
EV
120 Protein Skimmer and no mechanical filtration
Tank and top off
water from SpectraPure 5 stage w/new cartridges
Tank is 1.5 years
old
Water changes 10 percent weekly
Ammonia 0
Phosphates 0
Nitrates 0.05
Temp 76-78
Lights VHO 95 watts each bulb. One
white actinic and one super actinic
PH 8.2
dKH 8
Calcium 310
(LaMotte test kit)
<Too low>
Additives: Dose according to
package.
2 capfuls of Kent Liquid Reactor Daily
1 capful of Kent
Liquid Calcium
<I'd switch brands... to SeaChem... Bob Stark's
ESV...>
Soft Corals: One pulsing Xenia, mushroom and yellow polyps,
green star polyps
My problem is that I can't seem to raise my pH and
Calcium to the desired range for corals which is supposedly 8.4 - 8.5
for PH and 350 to 450 calcium. My xenia is pulsing and my other corals
seem to be open and doing well.
<... read on WWM re this issue...
only a few possibilities>
I have read a lot about the dangers of
long term use of Liquid Calcium but I am confused as to how to safely
get my calcium and ph factors up.
I am a bit afraid of additives and
get so much conflicting advice !
<Dedicate yourself to study...
thinking about this situation... go with other brands. Bob Fenner>
Baffled by Buffering...Or Lack Thereof!
Scott,
<Hello
again!>
Thanks for your quick informative response.
<My
pleasure!>
I will wait for the ammonia to go down.
One more set
of questions if I may..........
<Ask away!>
I have a KH of 5 as
discussed and I have been adding buffer in the prescribed dosages for 2
days with no rise in KH at all. This is puzzling. It's been a while
since my last water change. I know this is a very dynamic hobby and one
thing affects another, but is there any insight you can give/offer.
<Hard to be certain, but it may simply be because your system's
buffering demands are high. The cause could be anything from a high
bioload to limited amounts of buffering materials (i.e.; rock and/or
sand) available to the system.>
I now know I should have used fine
sand for the substrate , but I do not want to disturb the rock again.
You said good husbandry will prevent any bad implications from the
substrate I have. Do you mean by good husbandry-frequent water changes,
or other maintenance items, please elaborate.
<By "good husbandry",
I am referring to regular small water changes, careful attention to
feeding, stocking levels, and monitoring of water chemistry, just to
name a few. It's so important to create a stable environment; even more
important than trying to hit some targeted numbers for environmental
parameters. Steady as she goes, as they say!>
Again thanks for the
input. I cloud not have gone this far w/o your help. Guy
<Thanks for
the kind words, Guy. Really, you're doing all the work-we're just
throwing out a few tips for you to think about. Keep up the good work!
Regards, Scott F.>
Alkalinity help
Hello crew,
<Mark>
Thanks for the wonderful site you have and great job you do.
<Welcome>
Anyway, my question is about alkalinity. I have a 30 gal
tank with a 20 gal sump and 10 gal refugium. Specs are, amino 0,
nitrites 0, nitrates 0, pH 8.2-8.3, dKH 8-10, phosphates .2, ro/di water
only and Oceanic sea salt with an occasional dose of SeaChem reef
complete to maintain calcium between 400-450. The tank is about 18
months old and the refugium is about 6 months old. For the last 15
months I've only had to add about ½ tsp of buffer weekly to my 5 gal top
off water bucket and an occasional additional amount (about 1/8 tsp)
mixed directly to the tank to maintain my alk at about 12 dKH.
I
added some razor Caulerpa to my refugium a few months ago and saw a
slight increase in the amount of buffer I had to use.
<Yes, good
observation>
After doing to much reading about Caulerpas I pulled it
from my tank. After watching my nitrates rise after removing the
Caulerpa I decided it was better to use it so I now have it back in my
refugium. Now for the main problem. I cannot keep my alk above 10 dKH. I
am now using 3 tsp of buffer a week. This seems a little drastic to me.
I have mushrooms, xenia, green and yellow star polyps, flower leather,
feather duster, and the only new addition to the tank is a maxima clam.
Is my clam using up all this extra buffer or am I doing something wrong?
<Mmm, nothing really "wrong", but you might try changing two things...
One, the salt mix... I would move to Tropic Marin or Aquarium System's
products... far more consistent... Secondly, at the age of this system,
I would move out some of the live rock and/or calcareous substrate or
add more... as the more soluble components (among other advantages) are
becoming exhausted... a good practice to continue doing this
augmentation, switch out every half year or so.>
Your help is greatly
appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Mark
<Bob Fenner>