Photos- Re: Sick Lady Clown, Photos 6/14/08 Hello Chris, <Hi> I want to sincerely offer my appreciation for your thoughtfulness and guidance during this time. I depend on your advice greatly. <No problem.> With that being said, Lady Clown is still alive! <Ah, good.> Bloating is still there and the lower portion of the abdomen appears to be turning lighter in color, but now an hour later, she is normal again. I believe she is constipated, no feces, but, also no food. <The Epsom salt should help with that.> The bubble sacs this am were cloudy with a growth is the middle. Now, with a magnifier, I believe the sacs disintegrated, developed a skin tag. A new bubble sac forms in the same area, containing the skin tag. There are four bubble sacs on her right side, another new sac developed above her left eye again. Other wise her eyes are clear and she sees well. <Good that she can at least see.> I did another 25 % water change this morning. Salinity is currently 1.022. I am going to add the Epsom salts which should take it, to 1.023. <Ok> This is the salinity that I have maintain for the 15 years. Thereafter, late PM, I will add the fourth dose of the furan-2. <Good, and good with the salinity stability, this is important in a fish this age.> Tested her appetite with two dried flakes - they were gone when I checked back. I soaked Tetra Bacterial pellets in garlic and water, but she did not go for them. <Maybe a little frozen food, bloodworms or Mysid, and if still no response in a day of two try some live brine shrimp, although nutritionally pretty worthless is often stimulates a feeding response.> She seemed to perk up one half hour after the lights were on. She still, mostly, hovers at the bottom. She seems to try to maintain a balance at occasional points. She stills comes to me for a greet. <Good, she is still engaged with the outside world, a good sign.> I notice her breathing is more heavier now, with the light on for an hour, and the activity around her. I am attaching photos from today, and hopefully they are clear enough. My computer is giving symptoms of crashing. I hope you saved my numbers, please. Thank you Chris, and Jason C for all of your insights. Donna <Welcome and keep on the path.> <Chris>

Algone.com - Fish Diseases Re: Sick Lady Clown, Gas Bubble Disease 6/14/08 Hello Again Chris, <Hello> One thought= Gas Bubble Disease? As described on this web page could this be possible? <Possible, but the bubbles did not look quite right to me for this.> We did get hit with a heat surge here, I know the temps went up, then the central air kicked in. I do have excessive hair algae> What do you think? Thank you, Donna http://www.algone.com/fish_diseases.php<http://www.algone.com/fish_diseases.php> <Are you seeing lots of micro-bubbles in the tank? Try putting your hand in the tank and see if bubbles rapidly form on the surface, this is often a sign of gas over-saturation. > <Chris> Re: Sick Lady Clown 6/16/08 Hello Ziggy, Your assistance would be greatly appreciated and help me and aid WWM to help diagnose this strange condition. These sacs look like clear water balloons that some one may have just taped on her body. Hopefully, she can make it by Monday, for your friend from SERA, to see her. Call Home: XXXXXXXXX Cell:XXXXXXX Chris, The Hidden Reef owner, Ziggy, in Levittown, Pennsylvania, is a aquarist friend, who met Bob in Germany. I hope he has an opportunity to stop by and view this, and try to aid in this creatures health. This correspondence does not need to be posted on the WWM sight Chris. I am just trying to open up the channels of communication. Computers seem to be crashing in this territory, so if need to be, please, please call. Thank you and God Bless, Donna <No problem> <Chris> Re: Sick Lady Clown, Update 6/16/08 Good Morning Chris and Crew, <Hello> Lady clown is still with us. There are much better pictures which clearly show these bubble sac's that I have been trying to explain. I have completed the Furan 2 protocol. 6-14-08 pm: I have added charcoal to the filter. 6-15-08: I did a 50 % water change with another dose of one teaspoon of the Epsom salt , rinsed filters, and now monitoring. <Good> No food intake still, and no defecating, just yet. I am Hoping for a miracle, like a marine biologist to show up at my door, if you are out there, Lady clown lives just outside Philadelphia! This is a APB plea! Some people, in society cannot understand how devastated I am with Lady Clown. I respond in stating this is my pet of 15 years. I had her since she was a baby and hand fed her to maturity. Winked at her everyday- until some eight years ago, she clearly expressed that she was going to stop me from winking. While cleaning my tank, I was standing on my step stool above the tank, and "in for the charge" she went. This clown jumped out of the water one foot above the tank, and had bitten my eyeball, and happily went back to her waters! <Ouch!> I guess I got the message! (LOL) I now where glasses! If any person has experienced this clear bubble sac dilemma, please contact WWM asap. She still is fighting to survive, and enduring every process that I apply. Thank you Wet Web Media, especially Chris, who has held my hand through this heartbreaking process. Most Sincerely, Donna <Keep at it and monitor the water quality closely.> <Chris> Re: Sick Lady Clown 6/16/08 Dear Donna, This looks like your fish is suffering from Lymphocystis. This is a viral disease and there is no treatment, the fish should be isolated to stop cross infection of other tank mates. This web site has some information on the disease http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Lymphocystis.html <http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Lawler_Lymphocystis.html> Regards, WATERLIFE. <I would have to respectfully disagree, I see no signs of Lymphocystis. I do agree that it is not curable, however is usually not terminal in fish and subsides with improved environmental conditions.> <Chris> Re: Sick Lady Clown 6/16/08 Dear Ms Hackett We refer to your recent e-mail regarding the difficulties you are experiencing with your clown fish. We would advise that we are unable to determine the problem from the information you have supplied, but it is possible that your fish has Fish Pox, which is a viral infection. However, we are not qualified vets or scientists and, whilst we will always endeavour to assist as much as possible, we regret that we are limited in the amount of in-depth help we can give on these general issues. We would suggest that you may wish to contact an organisation like the Fish Veterinary Society, who may be able to put you in contact with a fish specialist, who could give more specific assistance with the fish disease issues. Their details are: The Fish Veterinary Society P O Box 1510, Stafford, ST17 4YQ Tel: 01785 258411 www.fishvetsociety.org.uk  <http://www.fishvetsociety.org.uk/> We hope that this will be of assistance to you and wish you well with your fish keeping. Yours sincerely Donna Townsend Senior Administrator Customer Support <I think by fish pox they are referring to Cryptocaryon irritans, aka Ich, which I also do not agree with.> <Chris><<Mmmm, a comment: the term fish pox is used in a few countries/languages in the world... Does refer to non-specific types of viral complaints generally. RMF... who doesn't know what the root/source/s of this bubble appearance are either.>> Re: Sick Lady Clown, 6/16/08 Chris, I am elated! Sera Corporation is arriving at my house at 1:30 pm. Harvey will be discussing the condition with a doctor in Germany!!! I will keep you posted!! This is truly God Sent!!! Thank you Donna <Very good.> <Chris> Re; Sick Lady Clown, R.I.P.  6/19/08 Hello Chris, Crew and Special Friends, <Hello> It is with great sadness, Lady Clown has passed., <Sorry to hear.> I have donated her to The University of Pennsylvania Veterinary Hospital to understand and learn of what caused her condition and eventual passing. She has given me much joy and happiness in our 15 years. The last three weeks were difficult, and the stresses, I am sure, she could not handle. After the treatment of Sera Baktopur, the following day, they all shrunk to a pimple size, except the largest one, it decreased in size. One disintegrated sac left a six inch stinging trail of mucus. She did seem weaker, and maintained her heavy breathing. I did not have a good feeling, but still maintained hope. Dr. Brian Palmeiro, The Pet Fish Doctor, arrived last night. When trying to retrieve her, she put up a strong fight, and eventually burst those bubble sacs; so he was unable to determine the contents, though he suspected mucus filled. The doctor lightly sedated her with MS-22, Tricaine Methanesulfonate, (His preferred way to euthanize). Dr. described to me, in layman terms skin cyst. He noted that the scales were sticking out some. Under a microscope, he stated proliferation of skin cells. No evidence of Lymphocystis, parasite, or fungal. <Interesting> He also studied the gills, and found them to pale, which indicated anemia. Under the microscope, Lady Clown had mild to moderate Hyperplasia. Her body inspection did not reveal internal lumps, but pressure on her side did leave, per say, a thumb print. Not a good sign. She was dehydrated and Dr. injected her with fluids, ( intracoelomic fluids). He also injected .7mg of Baytril, an antibiotic. Dr taught me how to do the injections , so as to follow the course of treatment every three days. Dr. Palmeiro was suspicious of internal disease, possible cancer or mycobacterium. The eventual studies will tell. <Please pass along these results, would be interesting to know.> She was seriously ill, and the eventual stresses was just too much. We do know she was over the 15 years of age, was 5 inches long and weighed 74 grams. (Never knew that!) The Doctor tested my main tank levels, as they were pristine, he recommended to very slowly acclimate her back to it, for he felt it would have been more beneficial to her health. If she was able to pull through, I would have seen result in two days from the antibiotic. I acclimated for over one and one half hours, placed her in a safe harbor in the main tank at 2:00 am. I sadly found her at 7:30 am. I hope to learn from this and pass the education on to you and your readers. We never stop learning in this rewarding hobby, and this is what I can offer to you in her memory. <True> Chris you have endured me for almost three weeks, from May 24th Until today June 18th. I do not know how to thank you, But THANK YOU. <Welcome> We have tried our best, and held on for hope, but our Lady Clown has left us. My appreciation to the entire CREW for your dedication, passion, knowledge and continual efforts in education. Your unselfish investment of your valuable time is a great gift to all. May I offer a special thank you to Harvey Fell from Sera, Ziggy from The Hidden Reef, and Dr. Brian Palmeiro "The Pet Fish Doctor" and his efforts at the University of Pennsylvania Veterinary Hospital. Most Sincerely, Donna Hackert <Sorry to hear about this, but sometimes it is for the best. Hopefully a learning experience for us all and will help others out there.> <Chris> More Trouble, Hawkfish 6/19/08 Hello Chris, <Hello> Double stiff drink! My 12 year Chromis died today. <When it rains it pours...> All that is left is 12 year old Arc Eyed Hawk. Any recommendations for his well being? Donna <Stable conditions, good water quality, that's about it.> <Chris>

Re: Lady Clown follow up 7/2/08 Good Morning Brian, I hope this email finds you well. Thank you for the report. Could you possibly mail the report to me, along with the photos that you have taken. I want to combine the two and forward to www.WetWebMedia.com<http://www.wetwebmedia.com/> and Harvey Fell at SERA so that they may assist others. If there was anything that I could have done on my part to avoid this, what could that have been? Is the mycobacterium, in your opinion, prevalent in my tank? If so, what do I do? Any advice would be greatly appreciated since all I now have the 12 year old Arc Eyed Hawk, and now am concerned for his well being. Most Sincerely, Donna Hackert <Thanks Donna, do be aware that mycobacterium is transferable to humans so make sure to wear gloves when working on the tank and wash your hands when done. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/infectmardisfaq3.htm .> <Chris> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 8:22 PM Donna, I hope you are feeling better. I did get the final report from the pathologist today. There was significant thrombosis (i.e. blood clots) affecting the muscle and skin on either side of the pectoral fin region. The lack of blood flow (kind of like what is seen in a stroke, except here we are talking about the skin and muscle instead of the brain), caused the changes to the skin you were seeing. It also caused the underlying muscle to be very weak and damaged. She also had evidence of mycobacterium. It is possible to tie the two together (the mycobacterium may have caused the thrombosis) but that is not 100%. The pathologist thought that some sort of systemic infection (whether it was the mycobacterium or other organism) caused these findings. I am glad that we did get some information for you. Let me know what questions you may have. Take care, Brian On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:12 AM, wrote: Sorry again. that really sucks. So, here is the deal with lady clown. Unfortunately, there were some post-mortem changes, but i still think we can get some information from the biopsies so i will send to the pathologist. I spoke with the pathologist at the vet school in Oregon and if i ship out to arrive there around Monday/Tuesday, he would not expect to generate a report until early July (which fits with 2 week turn around time). I did not find any masses or tumors in the abdomen on initial exam. The tissue underneath the skin did look weakened and abnormal, again, hopefully the tissue samples will show something. The only other thing i found, besides for what we found when i was at your place was that the internal organs (spleen, liver, kidney) had A LOT of pigment centers that we call melanomacrophage centers. These are areas of inflammation. I have seen these with systemic (body wide) inflammatory conditions, such as mycobacterium and other chronic inflammatory diseases. Again, hopefully i will get more info on the actual tissue samples that i will send out today. take care Brian On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:46 AM, wrote: Good Morning Brian, The Chromis has died, I contained him last night, to feed him but he did not take a bite. Appeared to be gasping for air at the top of the tank. Yes you are right, this is not the week. Thank you. Sincerely, Donna

Sick Maroon Clownfish – 9/30/07
Dear Crew,
<Hello, Brenda here>
My Maroon Clown 3-1/2" size was not eating and moving. There is a pair of Percula Clownfish doing well and eating in the same tank no other tank mates. Tank is 120 liters, hypo salinity of 1.010, temperature 28 degree Celsius. I gave them a freshwater dip two days ago.
<What is the reason you are doing hypo salinity and freshwater dips? What was the starting salinity, how fast did you bring it down to 1.010? Is this being done in your main tank or a quarantine tank?>
Since yesterday the Maroon Clown is lying down sideways trying to hide. He is trying to swim but is swimming side ways, upside down; sometimes he is rotating round and round as if he wants to eat his tail, not eating. Please help what should I do?
<More information is needed before I can offer any help. Brenda>
Regards, Inderjeet Singh Bansal.

Re: Sick Maroon Clownfish – 10/1/07
Dear Brenda,
The SG was brought down in three water changes, over 3 days from 1.020
to 1.010 for quarantine purposes, in the quarantine tank as I wish to treat the fish in hyposalinity.
<The rapid change in salinity during each water change may have been too stressful on the fish. Has its behavior improved any? It is not uncommon for these fish to not want to eat right away when placed in a new environment. What are you trying to feed them? Brine shrimp will sometimes help get a fish to eat, although it is not very nutritional. I would also place something in the tank for it to hide in. PVC pipe will work great for this. Are there any other odd things going on; stringy white feces, white spots, etc. What are your other water parameters?>
Regards, Inderjeet Singh
<Brenda>

Maroon clown... death...   9/23/07
Hi, well just to update, the GSM finally "bit it."
<Sorry to hear that. :(>
Thing is, I have no idea why--parameters are where they're supposed to be, all other life in the tank--softies, BTA, Gramma, blenny...look great. I did try to induce it to feed with live brine, but to no avail. It just sat in the BTA, seemingly for weeks, not eating anything i offered. My hope was that it was eating something, perhaps pods or something, all ready in the tank, but apparently this wasn't the case, and it indeed seems to have starved to death.
<Starvation may have likely been secondary to some other disease/infection. It sounds like the little guy may have had some kind of internal parasite like a cestode (kinda like tape worms). See here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasiti.htm>
Actually, I saw the moment too, last night--it just suddenly darted out from the BTA, swam
erratically for a while, and then went limp, still breathing though. I caught him in a container and put him in QT, but didn't have any kind of "meds" on hand. By this morning he was gone. Another baffling thing is he actually didn't appear unhealthy--color was
there, breathing seemed normal, just a bit lethargic. Anyway, before I think of replacing him with another GSM, I'd like some insight as to what might have cause his death.
<It's hard to say specifically without doing a thorough examination of the fish. But take a look here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clndissucc.htm>
I had him for maybe 4 months. When I got him he was about 1 1/2", and I believe he was wild caught.
<Did you quarantine?>
Initially he ate well too, but then just stopped. Maybe a tank raised specimen would be better,
<They tend to be better in many ways.>
and I'd prefer that for the sake of conservation anyway. Any words of wisdom here though??
<...just to always quarantine your new arrivals. Sometimes these things happen and there's not much you can do about it. But quarantining everything certainly helps.>
Thanks,
Eric.
<De nada,
Sara M,>

Maroon Clown Acting Strange, Very High Nitrates 9/12/07
Dear Crew Member,
<Hello>
I have a 4" gold-striped maroon fish who I've had in my 40 gallon salt water aquarium for well over a year. He has always been healthy and loves to nestle in his bubble tip anemone. The anemone has shrunk over time and now the clown fish avoids the anemone and consistently shimmies in almost a vertical position as if he is struggling to reach the top.
<Clowns do have strange behaviors, the concern here is what is wrong with the anemone?>
He has no outward signs that I can detect such as ulcers; however, his dorsal fins are noticeably clamped down. The only redeeming quality is that he is still voraciously eating with all my other fish.
<A good sign.>
Once he finishes eating, he resumes his behavior of shimmying. I've never noticed this behavior before. Is this behavior symptomatic of "velvet"?
<Does not sound like it to me. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/amylloodiniumart.htm >
All my parameters are within range except for my nitrates which are 100 PPM.
<Very high, dangerously high, this is your problem.>
I change 5 gallons every two weeks but I have neglected to use my Pura NitrateLok packs because I haven't regenerated them yet.
<Set up the water changes and find the source of the nitrates, NitrateLok is just a band-aid. Are you overfeeding, overstocked?>
Please advise whether you suspect some underlying illness or whether this behavior is typical or atypical with clown fish.
Thanks in advance for your prompt response.
Sincerely,
Tom
<Get those nitrates in line and I bet you see an improvement in the anemone and overall happier tank. The clown's behavior on its own is not terribly troubling, most likely it just found a new place to host since the anemone is no longer viable.>
<Chris>

Something is wrong with my clown, and English, and msg.... no useful data  7/9/07
Hi this is the first tme i have ever posted . Befor i tell you my problem let me give you my tank specs:
140 galllon reef ready tank,2 239watt mh light fixtures , all the levels are exelent do to 20 gallon water changes a week the tanks inhabitants include four yellow Chromis an my baby a two in a half inch yellow striped maroon clown fish also a assortment of soft coral. ok now for the question my maroon clownfish has a couple of bumps behind his head on his first yellow stripe . i am very worried about him because a couple of months ago i had another maroon clown get bumps in the same area and then died. is it a parisite ? and what can i do to help him he is still eating very good though <Please... run what you send us through a grammar and spell-checker ahead of sending... And you give no useful information re water quality, maintenance, history... Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/part2.htm
the bottom tray.
Bob Fenner.

Maroon clown fish help, no useful data   5/24/07
hello to everyone at WWM,
my problem is I have two gold stipe maroon clown fish that over the past 10 days have begun to lose their fins (looks almost as if they are rotting)
<Yeeikes... are they new? Are they wild-caught? What re the system, set-up, maintenance, tankmates, water quality tests, foods/feeding...>
I treated the tank with furan-2
<Not in the main system I hope>
with the recommended dose and did a water change, and it still seems that the fish are losing there fins. I really do not want these fish to die and I have no clue what else I should do, any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
thank you
m ciccarello
<You haven't given me/us any clues either... Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/maroonclnart.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

My maroon clown is loosing some of his scales.    5/21/07
Hi,
<Howdy Nick>
   I have been reading a lot about marine aquariums on your site lately, and it has given me some great insight.  One question that I have not been able to find an answer to is about fish loosing
<losing>
their scales.  I recently purchased a maroon clown for my LFS (less than two weeks ago) and in the past few days some of his scales have started to flake off.
<Yikes... no quarantine?>
At first I mistook this for ich, since I have lost previous fish to this.  The more I observed his conditions and behaviors, the less like ich it seemed.  He appears to be perfectly happy and very energetic.  My wife and I have agreed that it very much looks like flaking scales.  My water parameters are as follows: 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 10 nitrate, 8.2 ph, 1.023 salinity, unknown calcium (no test).  Any insight into this issue would be very helpful.
Thank you very much for the help.
~Nick
<Mmm... how large was/is this specimen? It is/was likely wild-collected (as opposed to tank bred/reared)... and has the usual troubles of such Clowns... Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/part2.htm
Below the orange line. Bob Fenner>

Re: My maroon clown is loosing some of his scales.    5/21/07
Hi again,
<Welcome Nick>
Thank you for the prompt answer, I really appreciate it.  To answer your response questions, the clown is about 2.5 to 3 inches.  Yes he was caught in the wild and delivered to the LFS.  Today he is looking much better, most of the scales that were flaking appear to have fallen off.
<Ah, good... the damage might well have occurred during capture/holding/shipping, be stress-only, principally...>
He is still very happy and eating everything I give him.
<Good sign>
Thank you for pointing out the information, I have been reading it thoroughly.  I am still unable to find any direct information about why he would lose his scales like that, but maybe I just haven't run across it yet.  Thank you very much.
                 ~Nick
<Can be as stated, simply from netting, being moved about... not-necessarily pathogenic. Bob Fenner>

Problem with my Maroon Clownfish.    5/16/07
Hi,
I'm at my wits end here and I'm hoping you can help me...
My maroon clown's tail is going a whitey colour, a bit like dust. There are a few small lumps at base of tail but no where else.
Also the fins on top of his body look to have white powder on them. Also there is some white powder marks in between his 2 bottom fins. He seems fine. No heavy breathing and he still has his appetite and swims normally in and out of his Anenome with his mate.
My tank is a matured 350 litre Trigon 350.
I have no Nitrite / Ammonia however my nitrate is high around 40 .
My Ph level is around 8.3 ( Normal) and all fishes and corals seems to be fine and living well.
Please could you tell me what you think this is.?
<Mmm, might "just" be normal expression... Some Premnas do go through such color, depigmentation phases... particularly tank-bred specimens>
Oh by the way . He does wiggle his tail in the substrate even before this powder like rash appeared.
Thank you very much.
Phil Dring.
<I would not panic here... nor move, treat this animal with chemicals... Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/maroonclnart.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Sad day for my maroon pair  4/14/07
Good afternoon Crew,
<John>
            I wish this question was aimed at preventing some sort of damage, but the damage has been done. I am the owner and keeper of a 150 gal reef. I have many fish<es> in my reef, most of the tang, surgeonfish family.
With the exception of an occasional quick chase here and there all of my specimens live very well together. All are very healthy, colorful and in great physical condition. My reef has been up for nearly 3 years now with very few issues. My question has to do with what was one of my favorite additions to my reef. I purchased a pair of GS maroon clowns many month's ago if not over a year ago. I had been burnt and disappointed by the first pair of WS maroon clowns I had purchased when the Female was unhealthy from the start and ended up dying within 3 days later to what looked like Brooklynella.
<Very common with wild-caught Premnas of size...>
I learned some of the things to look for in healthy specimen and waited until I found the right pair. The pair in question I had in my tank for a long time with no signs of trouble, or at least any I picked up on. Last night I saw my large female swimming in fast circles and saw the smaller male was chasing her. Before I could do anything she started to slow down and began to die. Upon closer inspection I saw she had all of her fins chewed up looking like a ghost ship. I quickly netted her and moved her to my refugium, where she died shortly thereafter. I was hoping you could shed some light on possible causes of this type of behavior. Does a pair of maroons fall out of love, so to speak, and if so is it odd for the smaller male to fight the larger female to death,
<Very unlikely... the males being so much smaller, entirely subdominant...>
or could it be that the female had fallen ill and the male out of instinct just finished off the weaker run down mate?
<Also unlikely... if there were something pathogenic at play, both would have succumbed...>
I am sure the answer to any of these questions could be yes, but are any more likely than the other or do you think it could be something entirely different.
<Yes... but what? Perhaps this female ingested something... got stung?>
Any info would be appreciated. One last thing I Know she was eating well the day before and I never saw any aggression from any other tankmates and all other fish seem to be doing fine.
<Or...? Do you still have the corpse? I would do at least a gross necropsy if so... open it up, look through the lumen/gut... Did the fish's skin feel "dry" to the touch... not slimy? I would wait a few weeks, try adding a smaller male if you want a pair... Bob Fenner>

Maroon clown ailments, induced    2/14/07
Hello crew, thanks for all you’re calming advice and knowledgeable insight.
<A pleasure to serve, share>
  My 4 year old maroon clown has been through some stressful times lately due to owner neglect and damsel fish harassment.  I have a 35gal reef tank and have removed the too large damsel
<Good... this tank is too small...>
while getting maintenance under control.  Parameters as follows:  ph 8.0, SG 1.024, NH3, nitrite 0, nitrate 0-5ppm.  Now, after the cleanup I noticed the clownfish’s bottom lip turning white, some fin rot and excessive scratching on his home brain coral.  All signs of damsel harassment I thought. After 3 days of this I noticed 3 white dots 1mm diameter, larger than ich, looking like they were coming from under his skin at the forward part of his belly and 1 between his eyes.  Not being one to panic, I panicked right away and rushed to set up a QT and headed to my LFS who gave me Metronidazole
<... for?>
which I used every day in feedings and in the water every other day for a week.  I started hypo as well to 1.012.  The dots disappeared as soon as he was in the QT after a stressful net chase.
<Use two nets...>
The fin rot disappeared after treatment and no more scratching but his 4 face barbs are sticking out more than normal and the RH ones look damaged with white puffy wounds on the very ends with small 1mm white cottony strings trailing from the tips.
<Mmm... all this reads as environmental in cause/effect>
The bottom lip is still white with black specs and the area around his mouth is lighter than normal.  No rapid breathing, no gill protrusions, no lethargy and eating has always been normal.  Wound is too small to tell if it looks cauliflowerish.  1 month of QT has passed and I am bringing the SG up slowly but there is no change in the barb/lip ailment for better or worse.  The metro killed the bio filter and the ammonia peaked to .6 for 2 days and remained at .3 for 9 days so I think I may have stressed the poor fish more through panic on my part.
<Yes>
Through all this he has eaten well and is as active as normal.   I have read so much on your site that I think he has every disease listed.
<Heeee! What is this called for Psychology students? Where you begin to believe you're exhibiting symptoms of all sorts...?>
  I don’t want to put him back in the display tank until the barb wounds heal.  I look forward to your advice.  
  Thanks for your time -- Jay
<I would do what you can to improve the permanent environment and re-place this Premnas. Maybe a purposeful cleaner organism... like a Lysmata sp. shrimp will both service the Clown and serve to spiff up your interest in the hobby. BobF>

Re: early stages of disease on clownfish? - 8/10/2006
Hi, I sent you this mail a while back. The clownfish recovered without treatment, very quickly... but I'm mailing again because you didn't respond and I wondered if I'd followed the wrong procedure or something when mailing you?
<Mmmm... did get this one... We have had definite "issues" w/ not getting all our mail though...>
I'd like to know how to successfully get in touch with you so that I can ask questions in future. I love the site and would like to be able to take part.
Best regards,
Derek
<This is the address... Cheers, Bob Fenner>
  ----- Original Message -----
   Subject: early stages of disease on clownfish?
  Dear WWM crew,
<Derek>
  1st of all, what a wonderful website, your FAQ section is a goldmine for a beginner such as myself. Thank you.
<Welcome>
  Unfortunately I couldn't find a post on the FAQ that exactly fitted my problem, so I hope you'll be able to help me directly. Many thanks in advance.
  I've had a Maroon Clown for nearly two weeks. It eats well, and seems healthy and happy in its behaviour, but today I've noticed very small patches on it; they look like faint white rings, the largest of which I have managed to capture (though not very well) in the photo I'm attaching. The faint white ring can be seen on the side of the clown's body, between the middle and tail stripe, just below the top edge of the body. The other side of the clown has 2 or 3 of these, but very small. I'm pretty sure these have appeared within the last day or so as I remember looking recently and admiring how perfect the clown was. Previously the only thing I could see on him was a slightly torn pectoral, that he had when I got him (or her). Now, besides these small rings, I think his face is beginning to look a bit 'dusty' (pictured in another attached photo).
<Ahh, not here>
  Please can you help? Any idea what it might be and what I can do about it? I may be worrying about nothing but to me these things don't look normal. I have a general medication 'Oodinex' but don't want to start adding medication into the tank unless it's really needed. Or do you think I should, just to be on the safe side?
<I think you did the right thing by not-treating, over-reacting here>
  Over the past couple of days the temperature here in the UK has soared...it's been a struggle to keep the tank much below 84/86 F without any heating on,  and an air con unit near-by, I imagine this won't help things. Also the clown may be stressed or have been though some stress because I had to remove an Anemone that was really not doing well, though
<Yikes, likely so>
if anything he eats more and looks less stressed in the way he acts, since the sickening anemone was taken out a couple of days ago. (I do have one of those imitation anemone's I could try but I wonder if that'll just stress him more). Again I have to say he hardly seemed to notice it go, but I thought it was worth mentioning as a possible factor anyway.
  FYI - My tank is 40Gallon corner unit. Currently housing 1 Maroon Clown, 1 Leopard Wrasse,
<Wow! A Macropharyngodon species? Not easily kept, particularly in such a small system>
1 Cleaner shrimp, 1 Boxer Shrimp Small orange/pink starfish and the usual hermits and snails. Also some small corals. About 15kilos of Live rock, live sand, Skimmer, Powerheads, canister filter. Water conditions - Ammonia 0, Nitrate/nitrite undetectable, PH 8.2
  I hope you can help and look forward to your reply.
  Best Regards,
  Derek
<Bob Fenner>

Male maroon clown treatment  7/15/06
Crew-
<Craig>
After months of trying, I have paired my maroons. They have been paired for about 4-5 weeks (meaning the female has allowed the male in the BTA with her without agonistic behavior). However, he has developed some ick that will need treatment if it does not clear up in the next 2-3 days (has had a dozen or so spots on his body - but not on eyes fins, etc - for about a week now).
<The system itself has been infested... I would not "treat" the one-fish... perhaps try a meaningful cleaner...>
If he needs treatment in QT, generally how long can he be separated from the female before they "unpair". I really would hate to have to go through the pairing process again.
<Bingo>
Would it be prudent to just do freshwater dips? Would dips in formalin produce better results?
<No sense dipping, returning to the system...>
As always, thank you for your time
Craig
<Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clnrfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

What's wrong with my clownfish? In too small, changeable a world   4/18/06
Hello,
Thank you so much for such an amazing website.  It has been a great help to me, and as a new aquarist I am so grateful to have this resource!  I
have thoroughly read all the clownfish info, including the disease faq, and haven't found an answer to this question.  First my tank info:
specs I know offhand:
10 gallon tank (set up about 5 months ago), about 7 lbs. live rock, live sand, BioWheel filter (with a bag of phosphate and silicate remover in
it for the past month)
<Small marine tanks are the deuces to keep stable, thermally, chemically... and the use of chemical filtrants here may well have "thrown" your system off>
, tiny "Rio 180" powerhead, heater.
nitrates: ~20 (it was consistently at 0 until I added the blenny,
<What species?>
so I blame it on all his poop; I added a couple more snails and crabs and got more live rock since then, it's decreasing now)
salinity: 1.022
<I'd keep this near 1.025. Match new water outside...>
pH: 8.3
temp: 81 F
livestock:  2 green Chromis (tiny ones, about 1"),
<Can't live in a ten...>
a bicolor blenny
(about 2"),
<Also...>
a maroon clown (about 1 1/2"),
<Definitely...>
2 blue-legged hermits, 1
scarlet reef hermit, 3 Nassarius vibex.
I bought this clownfish about three weeks ago, after drooling over her (him?)
<Her>
in the LFS for the previous three weeks (looked great at the store, no abnormal behavior).  She has been great, eating voraciously,
and getting along well with her tankmates.  I read that it is normal for clowns to sleep "sideways" up in the corner of a tank, which mine has
done since I got her (she snuggles up above the powerhead!).  She has, up until last Friday, always swum normally.  The problem is that on last
Friday morning, she started swimming sideways and hasn't stopped!  She struggles to stay upright and level but her belly keeps floating her to
one side, and eventually she does a 360 (sometimes many 360s), which makes her flip out a little and swim like crazy for a second afterward,
bumping into things.  She sticks herself between rocks or between the rocks and the glass to stay upright, but can't stay still for long, so
it keeps happening.  She also will try just swimming against the bottom corners of the tank to try to stay upright, but she ends up doing spins
on her head because her belly keeps flipping her upside-down.  She hasn't decreased in determination over the past three days (she is
struggling 24 hours a day - I don't know how she does it!!), and still eats well (between flips).  I am always surprised when I come home to
see her still wiggling like crazy, trying to stay upright.
I have found info on swim bladder dysfunction - but only that there is not much you can do for it but they may learn to compensate, enabling
them to live fairly normal lives.  I don't know if I could stand watching her be this crazy all the time!  I can't see how she could keep
this level of compensation (if you could call it that) much longer.
The only other symptom (?) I have noticed is that her gills on one side are sticking out a little more than on the other side, but that might
just be from all the heavy breathing because of the work she has been doing.  I hope it's ok that last night I moved her into one of those
mini "floating tanks"  (the kind that float in your main tank, used to keep baby fish from being eaten) so that she wouldn't keep beating
herself up against the live rock.  (I am ashamed to say I don't have a QT!)
Is there anything I can do for my little fish?  I would hate to lose her! Also, a P.S. if you will - upon adding my scarlet reef hermit crab, my
aggressive little blue-legged hermit ripped off one of his legs and stole his shell (how rude!).  The scarlet reef hermit seems to be doing fine,
and has even molted since the incident.  Will he grow back the stolen leg?
<Should>
Thank you so much,
Stephanie
<Remove the chemical filtrants, get a larger system. Bob Fenner>

Maroon and Gold striped Clown ... env., dis.    4/10/06
I am very thankful to have found your website. There is very little   information on maroon and gold striped clowns in general and even less on their illnesses.
I have a 30 gallon tank with a maroon and gold striped clown,
<Will need more room...>
a  lawnmower blenny, a common blenny, an engineering goby and a yellow  tang.
<Need more room now>
The tank has been established for a little more than a year and I  have had the clown probably 11 months.  
Last month, the filter leaked and I lost all but two inches of water over the course of a few hours.
<Yikes!>
I purchased RO water and added salt to it and refilled the tank. After it was filled again I checked salinity levels and found  
that they were much too low, so I added salt by hand. testing after each handful until the salt levels were at a good level.
<... should mix together outside the system...>
Two days after that I noticed a pair of bumps that looked like blackhead pimples on the clown's body toward the dorsal fin. Maybe a week after that  it
went away and I attributed it to the clown scratching himself against the  live rock as he was forced deeper and deeper towards the bottom of the  tank.  All
was well this morning, but this evening when I checked him I  noticed that the gold stripe on him was losing color. Almost like paint peeling  from the
walls. The patches are dark in color, and it seems almost as if he  is molting.
<Of a sort, yes>
I went to my fish store and their advise was A) Leave him  alone, or I will kill off the whole reef tank,
<This is so>
  or B) flush him or I will  kill off my other fish.
<No>
I am very fond of "Felix"  <so named because of his habit of  "cleaning"> and I hate both options. He is eating very well, as I fed him  some "formula B"
tonight. He is swimming well and is not acting any differently  than he usually does. But I am obviously concerned.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.   Oh I did neglect to  mention that I had the water tested and it is at "perfect levels" per my fish  guy.  
Thank you for your time!
Marcia Watters
<Just "stress" and chemical burning here... let time go by, get a larger system... Bob Fenner>

Re: Maroon and Gold striped Clown  - 4/11/2006
Thank you very much for your advise.  I will investigate a bigger tank and in the meantime, I wanted to let you know that as quickly as this morning he  
was looking much better.
<Ah, good>
I want you to know I have bookmarked your website and i will check back frequently just for the joy of learning.  
Again thank you for your help
Marcia Watters
<Is a joy! Thanks for the follow-up. Bob Fenner>

Dying Maroon? Anemone interaction, poisoned with "med.s", panic    4/3/06
I'm afraid by the time I get a response back, it may be to late.. but even so, I need to know how to prevent or fix this in the future and really want to know the cause I've had a maroon clown fish for about 1 1/2 months
Tank bred
Very healthy
I got her an anemone,
<Not necessary...>
and she hosted immediately. This is the ONLY fish in the tank. Here's a breakdown of the last 4 days.. day 1. Gave her a breakfast of Mysis, she looked great, ate well, and was acting her usual self lunchtime... was biting anemone, had white funk on her bottom lip, and a dot or two on her fin (more of a weirdness than ick would look) I thought she may have gotten stung.
<Likely>
I kept an eye on her and she was very lethargic, just laying in the anemone (she's a wiggler)
she knocked the white stuff off her lip, but it looked sore. She wouldn't eat (very strange indeed for her)
I started a qt tank (didn't have one running, and no bio filter) I used tank
water, and lowered the SG to 1.020, caught the maroon and acclimated her to the QT just in case
day 2. wont eat anything. her chin, and above upper lip both looked sore. At
this point I started looking for answers on RC, and my LFS. Didn't look like ick.. but kinda did at the same time.
There was 1 white dot on her body right before lights out day 3. Her fins started to fray at the very tips, wont eat, tried garlic extreme, and all her favorites. ammonia was up so I did a water change. treated qt tank with CopperSafe, and MelaFix that night. Day 4.. today...  there is small holes through all her fins, her cheeks (below eyes) are very swollen, it seems like she has red splotches on her yellow stripes, she's swimming very close to the surface,  and the kicker... White stringy poop.
Now, Ill clarify.. I've  always watched her poop  and its always the same normal brown way it should be. Today, white. I've been treating her for body bacteria and with copper and this is a sign of internal parasites right?
<No, not necessarily>
I don't know what to do to help her, I can't seem to get help anywhere and I'm a newbie of 5 months.
other than helping her and telling me what this could be.. what causes this?
<... a guess: too much change, too fast... the anemone, exposure to copper, the "fix"...>
Is it stress, or something that just happens? Is my main tank infected with... whatever it is?
<Not likely pathogenic>
I have no other fish, do I need to wait a month or more to add any fish?
<I would>
(Not even wanting to think about another fish right now, but I don't want to put anything else in danger!)
It doesn't look good for my little maroon, and if it gets much worse for
her, I may just put a stop to her suffering. But I want to help her. I don't see the next 24 hours being pretty :(
Hope you can help shine some light on my little fish and help me understand what went wrong.
She was very healthy, then within an hour she was acting weird and had the white lip,. I'm home all the time and watch her closely.
<... Time to send you to read: http://wetwebmedia.com/maroonclnart.htm
and the linked files above. BTW, your English is atrocious here. Generally we would just send this back for correction. Do review our policy on sending correspondence... learn to/use your spelling et al. checkers. Bob Fenner>

Maroon Clown problem/dorsal 01-01-05
Crew,
Hope you all had/have a great holiday.
<As I hope you did also.>
My maroon clown is rather hurt and I am at my wits end.  Something 'got' her dorsal fin about 2 weeks ago - the first 3 spines are damaged.  I have done a quarantine.  I have swabbed it with hydrogen peroxide.  I have done a mild MelaFix additive for bacteria.  Now the two front spines are showing to the body.  Is there any hope?  I would hate to have her in pain and how the heck do you tell?  I am unsure if it will recover the tissue at this stage.  She is swimming and eating albeit alright but wow, that must really stink.  No other fish is damaged or has issue so I believe it must have been a wound?  I did capture a 7" long fire worm that had lived through curing and misting for critters (how I don't know as I wire brushed every hole...).
<I doubt the worm is to blame. Your best bet will be to feed her well and let her body do what it does best and heal. Fish are very good at recovering and regenerating from this type of injury. Just keep her water clean and the wound free from fungus. Travis>
Would appreciate your help and take care!

Re: Maroon Clown problem/dorsal 01-03-05
Travis,
Thanks!
<Glad to help.>
I believe you are correct about it not being the fire worm but I do multiple
visual inspections daily of each Lifeform and it was just almost overnight -
a little fuzzy then blam, no tissue.  Scary.
I am trying to keep her feed with a varied diet in small quantities multiple
times a day, soaked in vitamins.  Increased iodine a little and still mild
MelaFix.  Have to stop that and use carbon now as skimming is not really
possible with Mela, unless you want 12 cubic meters of foam in your living room.
She was not doing well in the quarantine without her 'host' (large anchor
hammer) so placed her back in main tank - figured if she was too stressed or
too far gone, better to make her comfortable as possible.  
<I agree with your choice. They will heal much better when they are comfortable and the water quality is usually much more stable in a reef tank.>
Much better attitude.  She decided to try out a hitchhiker Condy and loved on it Very
Aggressively when back in the tank.  So much in fact, it freaked, detached
and was blown or bowled onto .... the hammer coral, ensuing nasty warfare
before I noticed (about 1/2 of the entire Condy is badly damaged and one
whole segment of the hammer is fried).  Both are in their respective corners licking their wounds, figuratively.
<Glad to hear the clown likes the arrangement, but sorry to hear about the damage to the coral.>
So, apologies for raving - do you believe under good conditions the tissue
will actually return and the front part of the fin will grow back?  
<Yes, as long as the spines were not removed and there is tissue there to heal and regrow.>
It is heartbreaking to see the spines when she swims about.  A few articles I have
researched state that at the level her injury is (basically bare cartilage
to the body), it would not reform.  However, there are areas where it
appears to be congealing over between the fins but am not at all sure if it is tissue growth or other
fungal/bacterial item and have been loath to continue swabbing at them if it might be growth.
<If it grows quickly or is fuzzy swab it off. The tissue will heal more slowly.>
This is a 'test your love and commitment to the hobby' week - fans on hood
going bad, canister filter slow leak, hermit ate a sleeping Chromis, snail
popped guard off powerhead and got innards suck out , the clown fin problem,
the worm, my subsequent allergic reaction up and down my forearm to the worm
and now the anchor and the Condy.  LOL (not really but beats crying).
<Ah, the joys of reef keeping... Don't worry, we all have those weeks and the nasty fire worm rash from time to time. It is the in-between times that make it all worth while!!!>
Thanks for the input and I apologize for freaking out a bit.
<You're welcome and don't worry we all need to vent. Travis>

Re: Maroon Clown problem/dorsal 01-04-05
Crew,
Travis..
No more ultra whiney mails :)  I apologize again.  
<No need to apologize.>
Based on the last mail, a couple reaffirmations if you would be so kind.
= do you believe under good conditions the tissue will actually return and the front part of the fin will grow back?
<Yes, as long as the spines were not removed and there is tissue there to
heal and regrow.>
===>New> There is only minimal tissue on the actual front two dorsal spines.
Still the same diagnosis?
<<Yes, odds are better that you will see regrowth rather than bare cartilage.>>
= A few articles I have researched state that at the level her injury is
(basically bare cartilage/fin spine to the body), it would not reform the
remainder of the fin.  However, there are areas where it appears to be
congealing over between the fins but am not at all sure if it
is tissue growth or other fungal/bacterial item and have been loath to
continue swabbing at them if it might be growth.
<If it grows quickly or is fuzzy swab it off. The tissue will heal more
slowly.>
===> New> It doesn't appear to grow quickly, the same amount.  I can't tell
if there is real tissue growth yet.  It is fairly difficult and pi*ses her
off to capture and swab her, being back in the main tank.  Would a light
powerhead whoosh detach any unwanted material or do you have any other
recommended method of 'light swabbing?  Perhaps a quick long distance drive
by swab under moon lights when she is asleep?
<<I would let her be. Swabbing at this point will more than likely inflame and damage tissue.>>
Update: Hammer Coral: 1, Condy: 0 (RIP)  After two days, the hammer doesn't
even have a mark left.  
<<Wow, I would have thought the hammer to be the underdog in this case.>>
The Condy simply continued disintegrating, but not
until it somehow latched onto the Gramma (still had clinging
tentacles/nemat - never saw anything like that before) who then became a
rather expensive late night hermit snack.... geesh...  I hope that's all for
at least a couple of days.  I seem to have a tank of mayhem -- with picture
perfect environmental conditions.... well, not perfect but better than my
LFS..... :).
<<I hope you are blessed with less exciting times for awhile.>>

Maroon Clown Cheek Spine 12-02-05
Hi all,
<Hello>
Just a quick question.
First off, tank parameters: 55 gallon standard rectangular aquarium. Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate 0, pH 8.3, temperature steady at 79F. 
Equipment includes Aqua C Remora Pro skimmer, Emperor 400 power filter, one Aquaclear 400 gph powerhead and 2 Maxijet 295 gph power heads and 4 X 110 watts VHO lamps. 
Stocking includes: 1 Scopas Tang (2"), 1 Niger Trigger (2"), 1 Lawnmower Blenny (3"), 1 Yellow tail damsel (1"), 1 Maroon Clown (3"), 1 Pencil urchin, 1 Long Spine Urchin, 1 Coral Banded Shrimp, 1 Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, a, believe it or not, healthy Sebae anemone and an assortment of hermit crabs and snails. 
I know for the fish I need a larger aquarium, that is my next big buy, a 150 or 190 gallon setup. Now that all of that is out of the way, my question. 
The Maroon Clown is doing great and loving the anemone. Just a few days ago I noticed that one of her cheek spines was a little white on the end, I figured maybe it was just damaged by the constant sand and gravel landscaping she does, so I thought no more about it. Well for the past few days the white appears to have spread all the way up the spine, to jus below the eye. The only conclusion I can come to is either she is continually irritating this area by substrate excavation, or she has possibly had a run in with the Long spine urchin. I have Googled this topic to death with no results. I you have any insight it would be appreciated. Sorry, maybe this wasn't just a "quick" question.
<My best guess would be irritation. If it is fuzzy there ma