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Re: Holacanthus/TWA piece,
crosses twixt Queens and Blues 11/15/11 Bandit angelfish suddenly stops
eating 5/29/11
SICK FISH EMERGENCY... Passer Angel mistreatment 4/26/08 Hi, <Tim> I need some urgent help here and seek your advice. I have a passer angel who has suffered some poor water quality conditions, namely enduring a tank cycle and subject to elevated nitrite levels after dealing with the prerequisite ammonia battles. <Why?> The tank now appears to be cycled and water quality is good on all tests. The problem he is facing now appears to be an infection of some sort with visible sores, lots of mucus on the outside, and rapid gilling. He looks like he's on the verge of death. I am trying to think of what to do for him. I am thinking of doing some type of medicated freshwater dip, but not sure what to go with. I have Methylene blue on hand but I'm thinking he needs something more. Is there something I should do to treat this as a bacterial infection? <Perhaps a Furan compound...> Is there a stronger medication I should try with dipping him? <... insufficient data...> What remedies would you suggestion for the triage and longer if he makes it? Any help is GREATLY appreciated! Tim <This species of Holacanthus really suffers from being overly-stressed... It may well be too late for this specimen. I'd be reading here: http://wetwebmedia.com/fishindex3.htm the first tray... on Marine Angels... Bob Fenner>
Adult passer angelfish, shipping trauma.
12/15/2007 <Very common... specimens more than about 4"
total length don't "ship well"> I recently received a
large adult passer angelfish from a mail order fish store which shall
remain nameless since they have been nice about this. The fish arrived
in terrible condition, dazed and confused and in ~65 degree water that
was loaded with waste. I've had it in my 175 gallon tank for a day
now and not surprisingly it won't eat and it is very sluggish
though mobile, taking laps around the tank occasionally. <The last
behavior leads me to have hope...> I wonder if any of you know what
types of stress tropical marine fish can take and what the prognosis
for such a fish is and what I can do to maximize chances of keeping it
alive and even better acting like the bold, curious fish it is supposed
to be. It really is very sad seeing such a beautiful fish like this
fall apart. Thanks, Omar. <I'd keep the lights off to low... if
you have to for other livestock... and not be overly concerned if the
fish doesn't feed, do much of anything for a few days. Again, the
swimming about behavior is a good sign. Bob Fenner, who did collect
this and other "key" (i.e. expensive) species al sur off and
on for decades.> Live Sand Storage and Passer Angel... sel., dis. 8/3/07 Hi Crew, I just set up a 125 a few weeks ago for a Passer Angel I bought that is 10 inches. <Needs a world of more than twice this size... and large angels (for the species) are indeed not often good-adaptors to captive conditions... Best to start with a "medium size"...> I first saw him when I went to look for a Marine Betta that he was housed with and he bit off the Bettas tail right before I bought him. I still bought the Betta and his tail grew back plus the clerk cut 10.00 bucks off the price. He will not be having a rematch since they will be in separate tanks. I have the Passer in a QT tank of 50 gallons and he came down with velvet? <...> The pet store held him for a month for me and I bring him home and he gets velvet in a week? <Maybe... where is the parasite coming from?> This has happened in the past with all Angels I have bought? None of the other fish ever get it? <???> Yesterday I freshwater dipped him and today it was coming back and freshwater dipped him again and put him in another QT tank or hospital tank for his 15 day copper treatment. 125 should be done cycling by then. He looks healed after the freshwater dip and Im shocked how fast it comes back. In my QT tank I understand the copper will kill my bio filtration. How much of a water change should I do to keep water decent and how often? <As much as necessary. See WWM re> Also would I be better off using cycled water or premixed water for the water change? <The former... if you can be assured that it is parasite-free> One last question and Im sorry for be long winded. I bought a used 90 gallon just for the filtration because it was to good to pass up. The live sand I don't need right now and was wondering how I should store it? <Yes... but not as such. That is, it won't be very live with time going by in storage... and will need good rinsing, perhaps bleaching and dechlorinating ahead of future use> I see it in bags in stores but not sure if that's the right way. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I thank all you guys for making this complicated hobby make since! Rick <A bit of a definition difference. There are sand products that tout being "live"... but this is a bit of a misnomer... They may be primed for bacterial population growth, but definitely lack higher phyla presence. Bob Fenner> Passer angel compatibility 7/20/07 Hello to Bob and crew, I have a Passer Angel on reserve for me at the local fish store, and I have a few questions about compatibility. First the tank is 125G long (6') with a wet/dry filter with UV and protein skimmer as well as 80lbs of live rock in the tank. Yes, I am expecting to upgrade in a year or so. Although I think I would be fine with the wet/dry, I have started the project of turning the wet/dry into a sump/fuge and should have that done shortly. The tank has been up for about six months and currently holds a Foxface Lo, Longfin Goby, and cleanup crew. On to the fish list; the Passer is 4-5" and has been at the LFS for more then two months. It has survived Popeye from its initial shipment into the store and the stores system going through an Ich outbreak and subsequent copper treatment. The Passer is eating well and quite personable. I swear the other day when I went to look at him he came up to the front of the tank to say hello. After getting the Passer acclimated to his new home, I would like to add a trigger and a tang. Would I be ok adding a Hawaiian Black Trigger in a few months and then a tang, looking at red sea sailfin, powder brown, or yellow, a few weeks to month after that? Thanks for your help and I appreciate all the knowledge I have already learned off your website. James from TN >>>Greetings James, Jim here. Passers are very aggressive fish, and should almost always be added to the tank last, even when we consider that you're going to add a trigger (which normally should be the last fish added). Best Regards Jim<<< Holo-Holo Tax Question 6/10/07 Hi Bob (and crew,) hope all is well with you. I have a taxonomic question regarding the Holo-Holo or Bandit Angel. As far as I can tell you are the only source that places this beauty in Holacanthus (Fenner 2007). The most recent genetic study that I'm aware of confirmed that it should be listed in Apolemichthys (Allen and others 1998). FishBase also lists A arcuatus as valid (FishBase 2007), which you mentioned. And other sites report the same as well as specifically listing H arcuatus as "invalid" (ITIS 2007). My question is... What supports your belief that the Holo-Holo belongs in Holacanthus? I am by no means a biologist, (just a curious hobbyist,) so please don't think that I, personally, am challenging your conclusion. Thanks for your time, and as always, thank you and the WWM crew for your dedication to the enrichment of aquatic hobbies. -Tyler <Mmm, really just dragging my feet here... as the older pet-fish literature lists this species in the genus... A matter of trying to help folks find it here. Bob Fenner> Non-WWM Citations: Allen GR, Steene R, Allen M. 1998. A Guide To Angelfishes & Butterflyfishes. Perth (WA): Odyssey Publishing/Tropical Reef Research. 31 p. Frische J. 1999. Marine Angelfishes. Neptune (NJ): TFH Publications. 36 p. [ITIS] Integrated Taxonomic Information System. 2007 May. ITIS home page. <http://www.itis.gov>. Accessed 2007 Jun 4 Froese R. Froese D. Pauly. Editors. FishBase. 2007 Apr. FishBase home page. <http://www.fishbase.org> Accessed 2007 Jun 4 Passer Angel... along with an overcrowded mis-mix already in an inadequate system 6/9/07 Ok, Bob (and crew), you're gonna kill me.... (if you could get to me... and could get away with it, I suppose...) I wrote you about large angels. You dissuaded me strongly. I stopped by the local Petco store after getting my hair cut today (an unnecessary detail....) and they had received by accident a large Passer Angel. I bought it. <...> Ok, lemme tell you why. You know I've got an 80gal. The missus and I, next weekend, are finding that bigger tank. But here's the real deal... the Petco had the guy in a 55 gallon.... this dude is 6" long. You know, I would not have bought this fish, but a) he was $72.00, b) he was eating well and looked healthy, and mainly c) he had no chance at a Petco in a 55 gallon tank with 15 assorted tangs and a few triggers and the mother of all Ich magnets, the powder blue tang. I AM about to go read all I can about the Passer, and we're getting the big tank next weekend... (as I said, I'm going to see the wild ones in Cozumel this week...), but if there's any thoughts on a Passer that you think would be helpful, share them. Gotta go now, I need to go read. Thanks! <Please... don't write (we have tens of thousands of users per day), READ, contemplate, think/reason.... Bob Fenner> Mixing Big Angels - 02/11/2007 Hi, Crew <Hi Mark, AJ with you tonight.> Thanks again for such a great site. <Welcome.> I have a slight dilemma about angelfish compatibility. <Okay.> I have a 125 gallon aquarium with a couple of black and white percula clowns (juvenile) and a 2 inch blue angel. I also have a 4 inch passer angel in a 75 gallon aquarium. Sadly, I feel that I will have to choose between them eventually as the 75 gallon <Understood.> cannot house the passer much longer and I am reluctant to mix such similar species. <I would be as well.> Is compatibility between these two angel fish totally out of the question <In this size tank the latter, even in large, public tanks 1000 gals+ it is rare that two angels of such common lineage and size can co-exist peacefully.> because of the similarity or do you feel it is possible to mix these two angel fish? <No, see above.> Also, If I can not co-habituate these two species would a small French Angel get along with one or the other of them better? <No I don't believe so, 125 gallons is in my opinion not enough for these animals at their potential size...let alone two together...not to mention aggression.> (for the 125 gallon eventually) Thanks again! <Anytime.> Best regards, Mark <To you as well AJ.> Passer Angel question and more 1/3/07 Hi guys, <W and K> I have a strange question about my Passer Angel. He has a very strange habit that is also very cute, but I want to make sure it's not harming him. He likes to be scratched. I have a tooth brush attached to a very flexible feed stick. When I put this in the tank he comes running! He'll let me scratch him on one side and then turn around for me to do the other side. I get tired of it before he does! I know Im not scratching him hard because of the flexibility of the feed stick, but wanted to make sure Im not doing any harm; perhaps to his slime coat?????This is the funniest thing to watch! What do you think? <I do think this is a pleasurable activity for both of you... As you're likely aware, there are quite a few "cleaner" organisms... that really pick and pull with some strength... in the wild> Also, I sent in a question that I didn't get a response to, and was wondering if it got lost in email heaven? <We can only hope... but, yes, we're having some missing mails now!> Im including the text of that message as well. This is a great site and I thank all of you for all the help you provide!!!! I'll tell on myself here. I did find a couple of misspelled words and have done my best to correct them. Spell check only works if you don't spell bad enough to make it another word!!! Happy New Year! <Heeeeee! Thank you, Bob Fenner> Thanks, Kathy Queen Angel Hybridization... happens 7/29/06 Hi Bob. I'm at it again trying to get an ID of a fish I picked up. A pic will follow in the upcoming week, but for now a little background. First off, the fish is definitely some sort of Holacanthus. It is a bright yellow overall, with some blue and black markings on the head, caudal fin, dorsal fin, and chin. The tail is yellow and white. The back half of the fish is a duskier yellow, not dislike the pattern of a Clarion. The fish has been in captivity in a customer's tank for several years, and had been traded in to a LFS due to a move. I've looked through Angelfishes & Butterflyfishes by Scott Michael, and I've found a few pictures that make sense. Page 290, Bottom Left of a Clarion - the headband is almost exact. Now what gets me is the color, and the crescent shaped fins. The other photo that I see resemblance to is on page 286, bottom left of a Hybrid Blue x Queen. I've talked to a few associates in the trade, and I've gotten a bunch of mixed responses, ranging from a Townsend to a Hybrid Queen x Rock Beauty. In any case, the fish eats like a champ and has a fantastic personality. I just wish I could figure out what it is. As always your input is greatly valued, Best Regards, Joe Russo p.s. I've got to get some pics to you of my A. arcuatus. It eats from my hand, and not my corals either :) Now if I could just find a Golden Hawk I'd be set. <Looking forward to the pix. Bob Fenner> Passer and SPS - 04/22/2006 Hello, I have fairly recently set up a 225 gallon reef tank. I have about 40 or so coral in there right now that I have been adding over the last month or so. <Wowzah... a bunch of acquisitions!> The tank is 5 months old. Everything was doing great, the SPS were growing, the zoos were spreading and everyone seemed like they were doing well. And I am guessing that I screwed that up. I went to the LFS last weekend and saw a gorgeous Passer angel, about 2.5 inches. I debated a long time with my friend who works there about getting it. We discussed how all my LPS may get eaten and how he will likely be the dominant fish in the tank. <Mmm, perhaps some...> And as those didn't seem like big concerns I ended up getting him, and have noticed that all of my SPS are retracted all the time. <... not from this fish> It started with my Millepora <Fire coral... a Hydrozoan... can be trouble...> first but now it seems as if all of them are unhappy. My first thought was water quality but I checked everything and it was great. The funny thing is that my zoos are doing great, I don't think the passer has touched them one bit. They were the ones that I could afford to lose because I have frags of all of them in a 12 gallon tank. But that is not the case with my SPS. I have seen the passer nip at 2 of them, although it doesn't seem to do any visual damage. I am wondering if he is just systematically testing them and will leave them alone after seeing that they are not edible. (they don't eat SPS right?) <Not generally... and less in larger systems...> I am almost positive that the passer is the problem because it began the day after I put him in and nothing else in the tank has varied. Plus all the other inhabitants seem happy. What is your opinion? What should I do? <... Slow down on the introduction of all the Cnidarian life... and read on WWM re these species Systems, Compatibility... likely spiff up skimming and increase use of chemical filtrants...> Thank you, Mike <Bob Fenner> Angel, passer sexing
4/14/06 Dear Bob <Alan> I am a marine aquarist of some 30
years, living in South Africa. <Greetings to you> I purchased a
Holacanthus passer six months ago, <Wow... a long way from its TEP
"home"> and have just purchased a 180 gallon aquarium for
the fish, which is currently growing up in a 63 gallon. The passer is
approximately 11 cm in length and has slowly begun to change to adult
colouration. <Gorgeous> The fish has yellow pelvic fins, and I
would be really keen to know its sex. Half of the literature I read
says that males have white pelvic fins, and the other half indicates
that females have white. Which is correct? <You know... I don't
think/believe either is. Have seen this fish in S. Baja, along
Nicaragua, Costa Rica, the Galapagos (in huge numbers), collected it
commercially in the Islas Revillagigedos... and there did not appear to
be a consistent sexually dichromic pattern> I would dearly like to
attempt to house a pair in the 180 gallon. <Mmm, this is really too
small a system for this... Perhaps a 300 plus... or just having an
"adult" and another much small sub-adult specimen> Many
thanks in advance. My best Alan Jardine <Welcome. Bob Fenner> Marine Angels: (Holacanthus bermudensis) 10/11/05 Bob and the Crew, <Adam J with you tonight.> Thank you so much for this awesome site...I have come across this site a few months ago and I have enjoyed reading all the posts here tremendously...(not to mention learning new things every day). Thanks! <And thank you for the kind words, I will share them with rest of the crew.> Today I have a question and I hope you guys can help me with... I have a 29g Fish only tank running for 6 months, fully cycled with Ammonia 0 Nitrite 0 Nitrate 5 ppm Ph 8.3 and stable Currently I have one tomato clown and everything went well...Recently I bought a juvenile Blue Angel fish (1" size). <Small sizes like this rarely adapt to captivity (most perish in shipping and acclimation). Best to purchase specimens around 3". I am also glad to see this tank is temporary.> Since I am planning to upgrade to 125g tank <180-gallons would be better for the adult size of the angel.> in 6 months time and I love raising this beautiful fish, I decide to go ahead trying out this plan. Upon bringing him home, I then had this Angel quarantined for three weeks and he was very lively, eating and playing actively... < A good sign.> The only unusual thing was that I notice his swimming was erratic occasionally (like charging or bolting forward unexpectedly). I checked all water parameters carefully (including electrical grounding) and everything was normal and I thought it could be due to his shyness (when he saw shadows etc...). <In the wild, juveniles of this size rarely venture out into open water, they are usually hiding amongst the shadows and rock, be sure to have lots of hiding spaces. Intense lighting can also spook them. Subdued lighting would be best to "comfort" him.> Today I take him to the display tank where the tomato clown is and I notice his behaviour did not change. He is hanging around with the clown (they are both the same size) and the clown does not bother him at all... However he is still occasionally bolting/charging forward which is now staring to stress the clown as he may be startled and probably thinking the Angel starts attacking him... His erratic behaviour looks very unsettling and I am not sure what is wrong with him...The clown behaves normally as always, but a bit stressed out if anything. Please help... <Sounds like he is insecure of his surroundings. Make sure there are plenty of caves in which he can hide himself. Furthermore even at this size I suspect the confines of 29 gallons is getting to him, Angels love room to roam.> I have a short movie clip as well of his behaviour, if this helps... Thanks much, Rob <Read here for more info: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/holacanthus/, Adam J.> Holocanthus passer disease = Shipping/Temperature Stress Thank you in advance for your assistance. I purchased my king angelfishes from Costa Rica about a week now, they started sloughing on the second day. I did quarantine them for 4 days but decided to transfer them when 'sloughing' began to worsen. Treated with tetracycline & copper sulphate....when more died I tried Praziquantel about 1.5ppm for another 3 days; still no improvement; in fact more died. Now my other angelfishes is affected as well. Please advise. Tony yen <This sounds very much like "shipping stress", particularly the mal-affects of chilling. We used to collect and ship via air or boat this species... and if they were too long in getting to where they were going or the temperature dropped on them, they would invariably "break down"... as yours are. I would not add more medicine chemicals to their water, but would lower the specific gravity to about 1.018 and add a teaspoon of Epsom per ten gallons of water... and hope that some self-recover. Bob Fenner> Robbed by the bandit (angel) Hi Bob, I have acquired a black banded angel from a fellow fish fancier. He has given me the angel in hopes of ME being able to keep it alive. <A real challenge> The fish is about 3 month's in captivity and has now stopped eating regularly. <Typical... actually, not so... this one has lasted much longer than most all> I have had my best friend build me an acrylic tank (155 gal) to house this treasure that should have been left in the ocean. I am going to put 175 pounds of Fiji premium live rock in with a mixed sand/crushed Puka substrate. I have designed a filter and it should be completed Thursday. The angel will be housed only with a cleaner wrasse, and 5 cleaner shrimp. I am going to put a Beckett style skimmer and lightly ozonized in the column. I have access to all the local wholesale houses and have asked for their help in acquiring sponges, clams, small shrimp, mussels and a cleaner wrasse (just in case). My question for you is, in your vast knowledge can I get this beauty to eat again. I have tried your tried and true method of the "FENNER BLEND" to no luck this far. Any suggestion would be appreciated. I know leave the damn fish in the ocean where it belongs!!! Thanks <May seem strange, but do look into the larger pellet sizes of Pablo Tepoot's "Spectrum" fish food... have been friends with Pablo for years, and this past weekend made it down to visit him at his farms in Homestead (FLA) and see firsthand the types of fishes he is keeping solely on this food... including Parrotfishes, some finicky Butterflyfishes and Tangs... even some very nice Apolemichthys spp. angels... Training this fish onto this basic food might "do the trick". Otherwise your plan for the set-up, providing sessile invertebrates to graze on sounds good. Bob Fenner> Looking for Passer angels I have started a new business and are trying to find a good wholesaler in Mexico that could give me a good price on passer angels could you help me <for their nearby collection to you in the Sea of Cortez you should be able to find someone in Mexico to ship these to you. I know of none... perhaps Bob does. Else, inquire at these US places- http://www.qualitymarineusa.com/home.html http://www.themarinecenter.com/ kind regards, Anthony> Blue Angel David, Thanks for your reply. I have
taken the wrasse & Dottyback out & back to the store, which
leaves me with the blue angel & damsel & 60 lbs. of LR.
<Okay> I agree this tank will be too small,( two stores said it
could take 2 - 3 years before I would need a larger system - good sales
pitch) If I notice problem's I WILL take action. He eats very well,
I did throw some algae plants which he seems to enjoy as well as the
usual Nori strip. <He needs the macro algae and sponge> He almost
seem to want to eat from my hand when I put the algae in, a very
curious fish, Swims all day so hopefully that is a good sign to come. I
will continue to feed the sponge formula along with others each day( 2
- 3 x ). My only questions are do these fish enjoy a strong current
which I believe I have ( cycles 9 times an hour with an additional head
near the bottom in back ) ? <I would not consider your current
strong. Angels, like most marines, like a brisk current. Your turnover
at 9 times an hour is adequate> I have purchased Vita-Chem to use
instead of garlic, as you mentioned, what is your take on this
product? <Sounds okay. I would rotate these vitamins
also. Maybe when the Vita-Chem runs out you can try some Selcon> I
will do my best to maintain the water quality ( 10 gal. wk. ) &
give proper nutrition & keep your last reply handy ! <Glad to be
of assistance. The less crowded this fish is the more it will feel that
it has open space. This fish, of course, is a showcase fish and will
look gorgeous even if it is the only one in the tank! David
Dowless> Larger pic of passer/Clarion cross Hello Folks, here's the coolest passer mulatto/xanthic genetic freak ever collected! Steve Robinson, Cortez Marine Clarionreef@aol.com PS. First $1,000. takes it! <Will post on WetWebMedia.com with your email addr. Bob Fenner> Passer Angel Happy Holidays, <The same to you and your family! Scott F. here tonight> Thank you for replying to my email so quickly. Your help and guidance is much appreciated!! There is one question I left out of my prior email. If I do put this 3 inch angel into my 48 gal. tank for the next 10 months will his growth be stunted in the long run? <Good question/thought. I don't think that he would become stunted if you maintain high water quality, under crowded conditions, and do move him within the year to the much larger tank you mentioned in your previous email.> Will he end up being a significantly smaller specimen? If I use the one inch of angel per 10 gallon formula I could keep this fish in this tank until 5 inches in length. Is this an accurate assumption? Thank you very much for your expert opinion. Sal <As above- I don't think that he will become stunted if he's moved within the year. And, I don't think that he'll hit 5 inches in this tank/time period (not that he cannot achieve this size, but I doubt that he will). I don't really think that the old "1 inch of fish per gallon" rule is valid for most marine aquarium scenarios. My rationale for this is that most marine fishes have a "psychological need" for large amounts of space in order to be comfortable and healthy. Also, a 5" fish in a 40 gallon tank will produce a lot of waste material, which needs to be removed by various means (filtration, skimming, water changes) in order for the fish not to be swimming in a "stew" of his own wastes (gross thought, I know). Also, a 40 gallon tank does not really hold 40 gallons, once you account for sand bed, rockwork, etc. (obviously, this applies to any size tank). Anyways- I think that your fish will do okay in this setup if you take into account the things that we've discussed. Best of luck!> Touched By An Angel? Hi, <Hi there! Scott F. here tonight!> I have a 48 gal tank with 45 lbs of live Fiji rock. 3 inch live aragonite sand bed. ph is 8.4, alk is 11 dKH, spg is 1.023, temp 77, CPR Bak Pak, whisper 1 filter, 110 watt 10000 k pc lighting. I am wondering if I can add a 3 inch passer angel to this system. this fish will only be in here for 10 months then to be transferred to a 240 gallon fish only setup. I regularly change 10% of the water every 3 weeks. <Good, but if you could do smaller, more frequent changes, that would be better!> I know this is a small tank for this fish as a full grown adult but given its size and the setup of live rock and sand I believe this is a healthy setup. BTW this is the only fish in the tank only other snails in the tank. please advise if you disagree with my setup. Thank you, Sal <Well, Sal, I am glad that you intend to move the angel to a much larger tank within the year. Keep in mind that, even though this fish is currently small, it still requires a lot of room to "roam" and forage. Additionally, you need to maintain excellent, stable water conditions and provide a varied diet for this fish to grow and remain healthy. Normally, we tell people not to even start these types of large angelfish in anything less than a 75 gallon tank. If you feel that you can provide all of the above, before AND after he's transferred to the larger tank- than go for it. Do not keep any other fishes with him during this time in the small tank. However, do realize that these fish can grow pretty fast if you provide for their needs well, so you may actually have to move him sooner than 10 months. With proper care, this fish can live many years! Good luck! Scott F.> CLIPPERTON ANGEL Dear Bob, First of all thank you
for your prompt reply and sorry to bother you again. <Not a
bother> I have seen from a magazine that Reef Rascals aquarium have
Clipperton Angels available. <Which magazine?> I have tried to
visit his web site but I cannot got any information. Will be
appreciated if you can give me their e-mail address and person to
contact. <This company is unknown to me, search engines, the
industry business directories. I would try the BB's, Chatforums
here. Ours:
http://talk.wetwebfotos.com/ Bob Fenner> Thanks with
best regards, Danny :) Clipperton Angel and Clarion Angel Dear Sir, I'd
read all of your articles. It's really knowledgeable. <Thank you> Do you
know where I can get a Clipperton Angel (Holacanthus Limbaughi) and a
Clarion Angel (Holacanthus clarionensis) around 4" to 6"? <Clipperton's
are exceedingly rare (the Island is very isolated, expensive to get to
as you know) but they do occasionally "show up" in the wholesale
markets... usually to be shipped to folks in Japan and elsewhere in the
Far East who will pay well for them... And the Clarion can be gotten the
same way, through expressing your desire to a dealer in your country and
having them contact one of the larger wholesalers in the Los Angeles,
California area: Quality Marine, Sea Dwelling Creatures, Underwater
World... and more are buying Clarions from time to time from the few,
new collectors in Baja (and a few further south), now that the Mexican
ban on their use is reversed... Put your request in for the Clipperton,
and the dealer's here (US) will gladly contact you if/when someone makes
that long haul...> Approximately how much are they costing now? If they
can be purchased, would you please advise me the place where I can buy
them? <Retail? A thousand or two dollars US for a small Clipperton,
about half that for a Clarion> Thank you in advance for your help. Alex Choi
<You're welcome. Bob Fenner> Passer angel and queen angel Hi BOB, i have a passer and a queen angel in two separate q tank. Before i introduce them to my 180g f/o tank are they ok with one another. Should queen be introduce first and two day later then passer angel or introduce them together. My passer is 6"inch and my queen is half inch smaller than passer. Pls advice me on that. THANKS and MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. KELLVIN LIM SINGAPORE <Only the experience will prove the outcome... but these two similar angels should get along in this size, type tank. I would place them simultaneously. Bob Fenner> Clipperton? Let's go! Hi Bob, Conducted a search for the Clipperton angelfish, Holocanthus limbaughi. Noticed you might be in need of a photo and I might be able to help. I conducted a collecting expedition there a few months back, and I still have about 15 in my possession. E-mail me for more info, and you can preview them (nothing else yet) at reefrascals.com >> Wowzah, what a trip. Have heard of a couple of hauls out to Clipperton, but have not made it to there as yet myself... Don't know about the pic... but you might want to do a "pro" article about your company, the experience and the species for one of the end-user fish mag.s... probably FAMA. Do like the individual pic of the two! Bob Fenner, who thanks you for the offer, input. Hi, I'd like to know if the Venustus Angel and
invertebrates are compatible. Thank you. Oleg >> Many non- or
invertebrates are compatible with this gorgeous, mid-size marine
Angelfish species. They generally leave corals and other
stinging-celled life alone. However, I'd like to caution you re
this choice of Angels, they're not that tough... mostly due to
rough capture, handling traumas... and the vast majority don't live
three months... They unfortunately get my worst of three levels of
survivability scoring. Bob Fenner, who would only try one in a very
well established system.
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