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Combo lighting MH and T5   4/1/12
Hi,
<Hello Ayre>
I am currently setting up a reef tank. The dimensions are 72" long x 30" tall x 18" width
The lighting fixtures are 15" from the water surface. There are (2) 400 watt metal halide fixtures and (2) 4' T5's. Moon lights are being installed now.
I want the lighting on timers to simulate different times of the day...i.e. morning, afternoon, evening, night.
With the above combination of MH and T5's what would be your recommendations?
<Much of the answer will depend upon the type of corals and other invertebrate you are trying to keep. That being said, for a new set up, start slow with the 400w MH, they are very powerful. Most people run the Actinic T5's for a dawn to dusk purpose for 10-12 hours a day specific to your viewing pleasure. The MH would then come on during the middle of that period to simulate the sun at 'high noon'. I would suggest starting slow at 4-5 hours a day and then slowing move up in 30 minute increments as your corals adjust and settle in. The Moonlights are at your discretion.>
Thank you very much for your time,
<You are welcome, Bobby>
Ayre~

Upgrade... Tank size... sump and lights too?  11/29/11
Hello Sir,
I currently have a 130 G reef
<Mmm, small for Acanthurus leucosternon>
 with sump and MH lights. I am considering upgrade to a larger tank so my corals and fish have more room to grow. I am thinking of either 180 or 210 and that being the case, do I need to replace my sump?
<Not necessarily, no>
 Also my MH light strip is 72" long and do I need to replace this as well? Thank you! Dai Phan
<Depends on the position, species of photosynthetic life... and your appreciation... BobF>

MH Height (much to do with stocking, wattage, bulb K-value'¦and the reflector used!) -- 10/29/10
Hello there!
<<Hi there!>>
I have a 78(L)x28(W)x24(H) tank. Roughly around 226gal. Plan to use 3x 250W 14,000K P&P bulbs plus Lumen Bright reflectors for each...
<<An excellent reflector choice, in my opinion. I have four of the Lumen Bright 3 DE pendants over my system -- love 'em!>>
How high should I place the bulb off the water? 12inches? Going with SPS in the upper third of the tank only.
<<These reflectors are very efficient'¦ I would start off with the reflector positioned to place the 'bulb' itself a minimum of 16' from the 'surface of the water.' This can then be adjusted up or down based on the reaction/needs of your organisms>>
Thanks!
Allen
<<Happy to share'¦ EricR>>

Lighting Question'¦VHO or MH? Blue or White? -- 04/18/10
I currently have a 150 gallon FOWLR and a 75 gallon reef running through two connected sumps.
<<So these two differing systems are sharing water? Never a good idea in my opinion as the usually high nutrient levels associated with a FOWLR can make for big problems with the reef system>>
I am in the process of upgrading the 75 to a 265 gallon (84"Lx23"Wx30"H).
<<Neat'¦though 'flipping' the 'W' and 'H' dimensions would make this a much better 'reef' tank (just musing)>>
Currently I run (4) UVL 4' VHO (2-50/50, 2-super actinic) on the 75 gallon and like the color put into the tank.
<<Mmm, yes'¦seems to be the current trend (blue tanks). But unless you are keeping deep-water organisms this really is too much on the short-wavelength and not enough full-spectrum light>>
After reading the section on lighting it seemed a little dated as far as the metal halide section.
<<Oh? How so?>>
I plan on keeping mostly Acans and Zoanthids, a couple SPS high up on the rocks and hopefully a clam or two by the end of the year.
<<Then you really do need to consider adding more 'white' light (6500K -- 10000K) to the system>>
I was looking at doing (6) 6' VHO, or (3) 250W metal halide (10K or 14K) with (2) 6' super actinic, or (3) 400W metal halide (10K or 14K) with or without (2) 6' super actinic. What would you suggest for lighting as far matching the color I currently have on the tank and which lighting setup would you choose for lighting?
<<My fave lighting solution is metal halide for about any system'¦but especially for systems of depth as yours will be. There are many folks who will say you 'must' have 400w halides on a tank such as you describe, but if you choose your reflectors wisely you can certainly get by with 250w metal halides (the CoralVue Lumen Bright reflector would be a good choice here or maybe one of the more 'focused' LumenMax styles offered by Sunlight Supply). I would not go any 'bluer' than a 14K bulb if you must, and I feel 10K bulbs with the VHO Actinic supplementation (for day/night transitions as much as anything) are the best choice here as this Kelvin rating will give you the best 'penetration' of the two with a good balance across the color spectrum that will be more beneficial to your photosynthetic organisms>>
Thanks, Scott
<<Happy to share'¦ Eric Russell>>

Sufficient Light for a 300 Gallon Cube Shaped Reef Display -- 03/04/10
Crew,
<<Marc>>
I was wondering if you could help me with a lighting question?
<<Sure>>
I have a 309 gallon reef tank with the following measurements: 45"x45"x35"(LxWxH).
<<Interesting dimensions'¦the depth of view must be fantastic>>
My current lighting setup consists of two 400 watt Hamilton DE metal halides power by Blueline electronic ballasts.
<<Metal halide is my fave lighting solution for most any marine setup>>
I have been looking to upgrade my lighting, and was looking at replacing the two 400 watt fixtures with one 1000 watt Hamilton mogul base bulb powered by a Lumatek ballast.
<<Mmm'¦knew a guy who tried this over a propagation tank that was a bit larger, though not quite as deep as your display tank. Aside from the enormous amount of heat this beast generated, the fellow nearly had a coronary when he got the $500.00 power bill. I don't think he was using an electronic ballast, but still'¦>>
My question is, with the depth of my tank, and current lighting scheme, would you recommend that I upgrade,
<<Nope'¦ The 400w halides should be plenty sufficient here. If the desire is to boost output/penetration, then I suggest maybe changes to the bulb maker or Kelvin temperature and/or the reflectors'¦or possibly steps to improve water clarity (e.g. -- ozone)>>
and if so, would the 200 watt jump be sufficient or should I be looking to provide more than a 200 watt jump in light over my reef.
<<I don't feel an increase in wattage is necessary here>>
Attached is a picture of my tank for reference.
<<Ah yes'¦and that depth of view is indeed very nice>>
I'm currently housing two fairly large Gigas clams, Duncan Corals, Dendrophyllia, Acans, Blastomussa, Favia, Montipora, War Coral and a few Acros. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
<<You don't mention why you think an upgrade is needed, but 400w metal halide lighting should be quite adequate for this tank's depth'¦especially considering the DSB I noticed in the photo>>
Kindest Regards,
Marc
<<Happy to share'¦ EricR>>

Limited MH Lighting Options Available...What's Best For 43' Deep Reef? -- 11/13/07 Hey guys, <<Hey Marc>> Have been through your website, fabulous amount of information. <<Indeed...is quite the collective effort>> Had a question for you, more or less your opinion on what I should be doing actually. <<Always happy to present my opinion>> I have a 380 gallon reef/fish tank which is 43" deep. <<Mmm...I hope you are seven-feet tall with a 45' reach...>> It currently runs 4 x metal halides, 400 watts and 25,000K. <<Quite 'blue'...with this depth tank/lighting I'm thinking 'deep water' reef environment...>> I know that it should have a blue tint to it, but it really doesn't seem too. <<...?>> The lights themselves do, but the actual water seems quite white. <<Unless there is something 'wrong' about these bulbs, you are likely just 'used' to them. Replacing one with a lower Kelvin temperature; say 10000K, would probably reveal a stark contrast>> There isn't much space in the installation for additional lighting. <<I see>> It's relatively difficult getting MH bulbs here, it has to be mostly imported at great expense. <<Uh- oh...where is 'here' I wonder?>> The only readily available & cheap bulbs are 6,500K. <<Hmmm, Iwasaki maybe? This Kelvin temperature is really quite ideal for 'reef' applications. It contains quite enough 'blue' light for the photosynthetic organisms and provides the most PAR/best penetration over most other 'aquarium' bulbs. But...most hobbyists do find it to be too 'yellow' for their tastes>> Do you think if I switched to 4 x 6,500K this would make a large impact on the aquarium or the conditions for the reef? <<Indeed...as just mentioned>> Is their a way to get a bit of blue glow into the water? <<Oh yes!>> Perhaps some small lamps, but would they penetrate the 43"? <<Some 48' 54W HO T5 Actinic lamps with good reflectors should serve this purpose. They will provide little 'useful' light at this depth (leave that to the metal halides), but should give the 'appearance' you are after. Just 'how many' will be up to your sense of aesthetics>> In a nutshell, what lamps do you suggest I run for best conditions for the reef taking into account my fixtures and/or same question, but taking into account I'd like a bit of blue if possible. Thanks! <<As outlined...but do feel free to write back if I've not been succinct. Eric Russell>> Regards, Marc Steeb

Lighting Choices Over Large Aquarium...some corals  3/13/07 Hello, <Hi.> I have just set up a big tank and need to add some lights.  I need your advice on what to go for.   The tank is 3000litres, 3.2 metres  long by 1.3 metres wide and water depth is  0.8 metres. <Mmmm so roughly 667 U.S. gallons....sorry we aren't on that system yet.> I have a lot  of live rock and added some more Fiji rock a month ago.  I do not  have any hard corals but I might add some soft corals later on but  I'm more into my fish. <Okay.> So I'm not sure how strong to make the lights.  Here in South Africa, I can choose from the following Aquamedic lights: <Hello.> 1.2 metre Sunbreams which are 1 x 54w actinic t5  plus 1 x 54 watt white.   How many would I need? Aquasunlight unit which is    2 x 250 watt metal halide and 2 x 54 watt t5s. Aquasunlight unit which is    2 x 150 watt metal halide and 2 x 54 watt t5s. <I would go with he 250's simply for sheer size of the aquarium.  If you are planning to keep the corals centralized in the middle of the tank, these systems could be fine but if you want to keep the all over a larger span of the tank....one consisting of at least 3 MH bulbs would probably be better. Just FYI.> Many Thanks, <Of course.> James. <Adam J.>

Too much MH lighting?   11/26/07 Hello WWM crew, <Hey George, JustinN here with you on this fine evening> I have a concern about lighting. In your opinion, is 1200 watts for a (@ 200 gal.) 33" deep x 72" long x 24" wide reef set-up too much? <Mmm, all depends how its distributed across the tank.. May be a bit excessive for your plans.> I am not attempting any SPS species. Mostly soft corals, some Trachyphylliidae, and Caulastrea. I do get more algae on acrylic then I like, but a trade off I guess. Nitrates =0 Phosphates=.2 Ca++= 475-485 Alk= 4.5 pH= 8.4 salinity= 1.025 <Identify the source of your phosphates, and I'm sure you'll see a decrease in your algae buildup, however, diatoms on the glass are pretty much an inevitability.> I have thought about cutting back to about 4 watts per gallon. My concern is that I have two T. Crocea's at the substrate. Will that be sufficient for them? <Should be> I have been employing other controls for algae as well. I tested my salt mix and phosphates run zero. I do twice monthly water changes, utilizing RO water, of course. And, I try to not overfeed, but probably do a little, like everyone else. <Try increasing this water change regimen to weekly, and you will likely see a subsequent decrease in both phosphates and diatom growth.> I read on your site that you recommend phasing the light source for a reef, and that makes sense due to the limit of 'peak' sunlight in natural reefs. Is there a way to attenuate the MH lights so that they are not blasting all the time? Like a dimmer, I guess. <Bingo.> Thanks for all your fantastic insight. Regards, George <Cutting back on your light will likely have no deleterious effects, especially if done gradually, and may have a positive effect on your pocket book. Hope this helps you! -JustinN>
Re: Too much MH lighting?
  11/26/07 Justin- <George> Are you familiar with a way to dim MH lights? <Am aware of a few ballasts with dimmer controls, namely IceCap and PFO> If not, am considering going to 3x 250W retro fit fixtures, and perhaps a pure actinic? Thanks, George <Well George, I seem to have misspoken on dimming technologies for MH, they appear to be an electro-magnetic ballast only option. I was aware of these when I spoke, and had confused some conflicting information I had previously read about dimming VHO bulbs with MH. Unfortunately, I don't think there's an off-the-shelf solution to dim your halides, without replacing the ballasts. Try pricing out replacement ballasts, you may end up finding its still as or more feasible than changing out all fixtures entirely. Hope this helps you! -JustinN>
Re: Too much MH lighting?
  11/26/07 No problem. Well, as long as you're on task here, I thought I'd pick your brain just a little bit more...if you would be so kind.... <Pick away, my friend> I believe I can 'downgrade' the bulbs to 250's, and that might be a simple way to do it? <Mmm... I would definitely consult owner's manuals, if not directly contacting the manufacturer re this... If the ballast is not capable of the down step, you will end up with a burst bulb very quickly...> Switching gears to what my concern was, to reduce the phosphates, thereby reducing the nuisance algae. <Ok> In between emails, I was doing some reading about refugiums. They seem to be very beneficial. <Absolutely> My problem is this, I have very limited space in sump. Already running a skimmer in there, which is working very well. On the left side, the two returns have 100 micron filter socks, no space there. I suppose if I could figure out a way to put macro-algae on the right side where the skimmer lives...but the intake pipe would suck it up. I do, however, have some space outside for a small tank. Would it be possible to just run in/out in a small refugium...to the tank directly? Or to the bigger sump tank? <If you have the extra flow from your overflow source (or are not against adding another source), the outside solution would likely be best. I would, for simplicity's sake, tie this directly to the tank, both the overflow to the 'fuge, as well as the return. It would simplify  the reworking of the plumbing, for sure. The larger space you can afford here, the better.> Regards, George <As far as phosphates go, perhaps you could utilize some form of chemical filtration, such as ChemiPure or RowaPhos in your sump somewhere, in an area of high flow. Hope this helps you! -JustinN>
Re: Too much MH lighting?
  11/26/07 Again, thank you for sticking with me. fast responses, etc. <No worries> I will definitely visit my LFS where lights were purchased re: bulbs, etc.

Supplemental HQI Lighting On A 900 Gallon Tank   8/6/06 Salutations! <Hello Tim> I'm currently in the process of setting up a rather large aquarium, a 10' x 4' x 3' monster (3 feet deep). The tank is acrylic, and has 3 large 30" square cutouts on the top. My setup is as follows: 1) I live in Arizona in a house with a flat roof. 2) I installed 3 24" Solar tubes in the ceiling directly over the tank.  The tubes extend down to about 18-24" off the top of the tank, and don't precisely line up with the cutouts.  The two on the ends are slightly to the outer edge of the tank, and all three are more towards the back of the tank. (Joist placement issues) 3) The tank is in a dedicated room, (front of the tank is picture-frame style into the living room) so aesthetics of the fixtures is unimportant. 4) I plan to dedicate this tank primarily to shallow water SPS and clams. I suspect that the three solar tubes, while providing a huge amount of light and hopefully offsetting my electric bill, will not be enough light for this tank.  I also think that for aesthetic reasons, I will need some blue or actinic lights to offset the natural sunlight coloring. Along those lines, my current thinking is to add three 20,000K 400W HQI MH fixtures to the tank.  However, because of where the tubes are, these would be centered more towards the front 1.5 feet of the tank.  I'm concerned that alot of my light will go directly onto the sandbed and the living room out the front face.  I was thinking perhaps I could angle the fixtures towards the rear of the tank, but I'm not sure if this will cause a high loss of light through reflection off the water surface.   The other option would be to put 2 halides over the braces between the solar tubes, but I am concerned about the effect of the high intensity light being directed directly at an acrylic panel. I suspect I will end up mounting a fan on the wall blowing crosswise across the entire tank to keep the heat down.  Also, the room is air-conditioned. So: What kind of supplemental lighting would you recommend for this setup? How would you position the lamps? Is a 400W HQI too much power? Maybe some other combination?  I can always also run them for only a few hours each day to simulate a mid-day-sun. Any other thoughts on lighting this monster? <Tim, a few questions before I can proceed.  First, is the tank currently set up and running?  If so, are any SPS corals or clams in the system at present, and, how are they looking with just the solar tubes?  James (Salty Dog)> Tim  

Re: HQI Supplemental Lighting on 900 Gallon Tank...Mmm, How Many Solar Tubes Per Gallon?    8/7/06 > <Tim, a few questions before I can proceed.  First, is the tank currently set up and running?  If so, are any SPS corals or clams in the system at present, and, how are they looking with just the solar tubes?  James (Salty Dog)> No.  The system isn't up and running yet.  I'm just about to add live rock and begin the cycling process. As far as the lights.. I think my primary concern is not to over-power the corals.  I realize I may be in a bit of uncharted territory here.  I will say, that the tubes light up the whole living room through the tank, and the light rays seem to be fairly direct, as I get the ripple effect like a MH light would. But hey.  I'll have the most accurate moonlight system of anyone. <Tim, to be honest with you, I'd see how things go with just the tubes.  You may have enough light here along with eliminating heat problems from 400 watt lamps.  See if your investment works before spending more money.  Also, in future replies, please include/reply to previous correspondence.  James (Salty Dog)> Tim

Another one of those Lighting Questions  11/16/05 Hi, I'll make this short, I have a 300 gallon, standard size 8' long x 30" high. I have gotten rid of all of the sharks and eels from it and am taking my existing reef tank and moving everything to the 300 and downsizing to one tank. From there I will the begin the long and expensive process of populating it. So, I already have 2 175 12,000k Sunburst bulbs on the 100 reef. I want to utilize the 175's so that I can save money, so what I am considering is 2 250 watt 14,000 halides on either end and the 12,000 175's on the inside, along with 4 65 watt Actinic PC's. <For looks, I'd put the brighter, higher watt MHs in the middle.... the lower on the outsides> Now, keep in mind that I live in the Los Angeles area and electricity is really expensive. <Am just south of you... and understand> If I can have SPSs at the top of the tank I would be happy and all other mushrooms and LPSs lower in the tank. What do you think?? Thanks <Can be done. Bob Fenner> 

Metal Halide Lighting with Acrylic Tank  12/20/2005 Hi Girl(s) and guys, <Hello Jem> I have spent more hours than I care to remember reading information on your site.  It really is something to be very proud of on your part and has taught me so many things, however I am still slightly confused regarding MH lighting. I have a new acrylic aquarium 120" l x 30" h x 24" w (305 cm l x 76 cm h x 61 cm w)<WOW!> and am planning on putting two Arcadia 3 series pendants one 160 cm and one 110 cm pendant over the tank for light.  I am planning on having 5 x 250w MH and 2 x 58w and 2 x 30w linear fluorescent actinic tubes. The set up is for a full coral reef tank with hard and soft corals and Tridacna clams. Could you let me know if you think this is enough or too much light for this aquarium and what height I need to keep the bulbs above the tank - is 8 - 12" about right, <Yes> as I have read so many differing heights for placement of MH lights in various places.  As it is an acrylic tank it has large covered areas of acrylic across the top of the tank and two large uncovered areas.  Presumably, and from what I have read, the MH bulbs should not affect the acrylic on the tank - is this so? <Yes, heat will affect the acrylic if the bulbs are too close without fan cooling.> if it does affect the acrylic what other options do I have? or do I have to try to place the MH bulbs in the areas where there is no acrylic covering? <I would have lids made for the two large openings.  The acrylic does act as an excellent UV filter.> Is it possible to put MH bulbs inside a canopy of an aquarium?  I assume they would be too close to the top of the acrylic tank and water surface? hence the use of pendants by most people. <It's done all the time but on a tank 10' long it would cost a pretty penny to have one made out of furniture grade wood and probably a gazillion cooling fans.> Also what is the best light range to have 6500K - 10000K or a mixture of 6500K - 10000K and 20000K? <I like the 10K to 20K range.> Can you have too much lighting for marine fish? <Yes, but you shouldn't>  i.e. is the amount of light I am planning going to affect the type of fish I can have in the aquarium and if so where can I get information on this matter. <Search our WWM for info on fish before you buy so you know their requirements.  Getting back to the lighting, with your 30" deep tank, the 250watt bulbs will be borderline, especially with the pendant where they will need to be about 10" above the acrylic.  If this were my dream I'd go with five 400 watt MH systems and place one light one foot from each end and the remaining three at two foot centers for an even balance.  I'd also eliminate the fluorescent tubes altogether. I'd also consider air conditioning this room also.  James (Salty Dog)> Thanks in advance for your help on my questions. <You're welcome and Happy Holidays to you.> Regards Jem
Re: Metal Halide Lighting with Acrylic Tank  12/26/05
Hi, <Hello Jem> Thank you for your helpful reply regarding my pervious questions. <You're welcome> Further to your reply to me suggesting using 400w metal halide lights I have looked for pendants with this power and have found that Aqua Medic makes the Aquaspacelight 400 metal halide pendant.  These units come in 120 cm length (2 x 400w MH) and 60 cm length (1 x 400w MH).  The question I have is that as my tank is 120" l x 30" h x 24" w (305 cm l x 76 cm h x 61 cm w) would it be better for me to have two of the 120 cm units leaving a gap between them or two 120 cm units and one 60 cm unit and have the units extending past the length of the tank? <Doesn't do much good extending past the tank itself, wasting energy.> I presume the two times 120 cm units are the way to go and if so what spacing should I leave between the units? <Not familiar with Aqua-Medic fixtures.  I'd contact Aqua-Medic regarding spacing since I have no idea how far the light spreads from these pendants.  Go here;  www.aqua-medic.com.> Will 4 x 400w MH bulbs be enough light for this size tank? <I'd feel comfortable with it.> If not, the same company makes 1000w pendants that are 60 cm.s long and I could use three or four of these units? <Overkill> Just to remind you this tank is for a full coral reef set up with hard and soft corals and Tridacna clams. <Understand> Thanks again for your comments and recommendations which are very informative and helpful to me. <You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)> Regards Jem

Lighting/Metal Halide Upgrade  - 03/09/2006 I have a 300 gallon reef tank. I am using Three 250Watt Metal Halides and four 110 watt Super Actinic VHO's. My SPS are at the top of the tank about 4 inches below the water and have never done well and always turn brown. I have all types of corals and fish. My tank is 24" deep by 96" long by 32" wide. The lights are 14" from the bottom of the bulbs to the surface of the water. I am considering replacing the 250 Watt with 400 Watt Metal Halides in hopes to create a healthier environment for my corals as well as being able to keep SPS from turning brown. Would this be a beneficial improvement/gain for the corals or only a gain for my electric company. <In a 24" deep tank that large, a definite improvement.>  If so what would be the best way to convert over? Change all bulbs over at once or one by one? I was thinking doing it one by one placing a screen just above the water to block some of the new intensity while continuing the normal light cycle. Then start poking holes in the screen periodically to start letting more light in over a couple of weeks of time. What do you think? <I'd make the transfer one at a time, wait a week before doing another.  Don't think you need any filtering as we are only going up 150 watts per week.  Not a great increase for the size of the tank.> I also just purchased a LUX meter, not really sure why but I heard it was nice to have. <My father-in-law was a gadget man.  We called him Inspector Gadget.> Any tips on how to use it and get the most out of it? <Just read the manual or ask the manufacturer.> The probe is submersible so I can check light intensity all the way to the bottom of the tank. Thanks for your help! I want to make sure that I do this right so that none of these animals suffer because of my stupidity!  <You are on the right track, Curtis.  James (Salty Dog)> Curtis

Lots Of Light- Lots of Options!   3/23/06 Wet Web Media Crew, <Scott F. with you today!> I have a 300 gallon reef aquarium.  Because of price issues, I have ended up with 8- 175watt 20k HQI metal halides and 8-96 watt actinics for my lighting. The tank dimensions are 96L X 24 T X 36 W.  What issues, questions or arguments would you have with this setup versus say 4- 400 watt 10K metal halides? <To be honest with you, it sounds quite nice. However, the electrical draw may be comparable to what the draw would be if you went with the 4- 400 watt setup. My thinking is that the real issue might be the PAR value of the 20K bulbs versus 10k bulbs. If you're intending to keep high-light-loving Acroporids and other corals of this type, you'll get better growth out of the 10ks. On the other hand, I like the aesthetics of 20ks, and you may get nicer colors out of the corals. Having 8 fixtures means 8 bulbs to change, and 8 ballasts to service- essentially 8 things that can fail; 8 more things to keep track of. On the other hand, having 8 different pendants means that you can "put the light where you want it".> Will this lighting be sufficient for SPS coral or clams? <Either will suffice; all depends on your goals- high growth rate versus aesthetics.> This light setup is not really typical for this size tank- it seems- so that is why I ask. Thanks SO much Jason <No problem, Jason. I'd do the math, in terms of energy consumption, and examine which makes more economic sense in regards to your goals. Best of luck to you! Regards, Scott F.>

Lighting for a 360 gal I just bought a 360 gallon acrylic aquarium and I am working on the placement for the MH.  I have four 250 Watt HQI MHs. << Sounds good, I'd consider 400 watt halides but you should be fine. >> The tank is 6' wide, 4' deep, and 2' tall. << Only 2 feet tall?  Then 250 watts should be good bulbs. >>  I have read that you should place a MH lamp every 2 feet.  So I would have two rows of three lamps for a total of six lamps. However, the middle of the aquarium top is all acrylic.  I have read on your website that you should not place MH lights directly over the acrylic and try to place them in between the opens.  If I am to do this I would be able to fit 6 lights over the aquarium.  My question is this.  Should I just have 4 lamps over the openings or should I have 6 lamps and have 2 of them over the acrylic top? << Ooh tough question.  I'd probably go with four bulbs at 400 watts each, or four bulbs at 250 watts but add some VHO actinics to go with them.  On a tank that size, I'd even consider 6 bulbs over the open areas if you can fit them. >>  As always... Thanks for your help! << Good luck, nice sized tank. >> Steve <<  Blundell  >>

Kelvin Temp  - 1/13/05 I have read your lighting FAQs and haven't seen my particular question. <Then you missed it!  It's on lighting FAQ page 3, answer #14, paragraph 2, line 26, letter 47.  Just kidding> I have a 225g reef that is 30" deep.  I have two 400w HQI Pendants with e-ballasts about 9" above the water.  Tank is at 80-81 stable (Night/day). My question has to do with the temperature of the bulbs.  I don't have any other lighting and was wondering if I don't have adequate red  green spectrum?  There is plenty of intensity.... to the point where mushrooms, softies, etc need to be place in the centre of the tank on or near the bottom (two coral head reef setup) for them to open fully.  So my question is:  Provided you have intense 20k lighting... is it still necessary to have lighting in the 6500, 10k 14k area? <As I am not aware of the species you are attempting to keep, I will provide as general answer as I can...at least for the species commonly kept in this hobby.    Most photosynthetic organisms from tropical reefs prefer 'warmer' Kelvin temperatures (5500k-6500k range) as they evolved to utilize sunlight, which is 5500k.  However, they are for the most part very adaptable, and should do fine with 20k lighting.  They will not grow as fast as they would under a warmer bulb, though> Thank you for your help..... and what a great source of info your site is.  It is my primary source when looking at new specimens or problems.  Thank you. <You're very welcome - we try!> Scott McAdam <M. Maddox>

MH Lighting Hi, I'm planning a lighting system for a 215 gal reef rank. I want to keep some SPS corals, clams, and some softies--a full blown reef tank. I have a PC fixture that will produce about 200 W of actinic light. I'm thinking that I will need about 800 more watts of light.<your figures are correct.> At this point, I think that two 400 W MH lights would be the best way to fill that gap. Please say if any of that sounds like a bad idea.<I would go with three 250's> Since it's a pretty large scale lighting system, I'm obviously looking for ways to cut costs. I'm somewhat handy, so my plan is to buy some pretty good ballasts and bulbs and to build the fixture myself. I wondered if you could recommend one or two ballasts. Can you comment on the 400W Universal Magnetic M135 Ballast -Pulse Start Metal Halide they sell on hellolights.com for $86.00? Any information you could give me about MH ballasts would be greatly appreciated. Should I use 10,000 or 20,000K halides for my application?<10K or 20K, the choice is yours. The Universal ballast will work fine, especially if your on a budget.  The electronic ballasts do increase bulb life and intensity.  Another ballast would be the "Blue Wave brand".  They usually sell for about $100-115 on the internet.  James (Salty Dog)>I really appreciate your site and the Conscientious Marine Aquarist, a great resource that I consult often. Thanks very much, Justin Armstrong

Metal Halides for now and in the future - 1/28/04 Hi, I currently have a 55 (48x12x20) gallon tank with 440watts of VHO lighting, but I am considering an upgrade to MH lighting. <Very good. Any reason why?> Here is my dilemma.  In a year or two, I would like to upgrade to a larger tank with dimensions 60x24x36, <By my calculations (if this is the inner dimension, would be about 225 gallons approximate) so I would like to buy lighting that can be used in both tanks.  My plan would be to buy one 250W MH light now, and add a second with the new tank. <Well, if my calculations are correct you will probably want more light than that for the future tank. I am thinking of maybe one 400W now and add or another or maybe even 2 more later.>   But I am wondering if 1 bulb is enough in the 55 G tank, and if 250W bulbs are sufficient for the depth of larger tank. <one 400w would be ideal for the 55 gallon with no need for actinic supplementation (unless you want more visual aesthetic balance, which I don't really like myself) but once you move to a bigger tank you will want to add a few more metal halides to maintain intensity and PAR levels> Would 400W bulbs be better in the large tank? <Yes>  What configuration(s) would you recommend? <one 10K metal halide for the 55 gallon and three for the 225 in the two 10K, and one 6500. Of course, this all depends on being able to mitigate the heat issue and what type of animals you intend to keep> Thanks, <Sounds good. ~Paul> Dave

Aquarium cross braces I appreciate all your support in the past and am presently trying to solve a problem with my 330g tank. It is 84"x30"x30" and it is 3/4" glass. When the built the tank in my home they put two 1/2" glass 14" cross braces in 14" from each corner. This lead to a 14" opening 28" opening and then a 14" opening. The problem I am having now is the left and right halide is directly over the cross brace. This is dimming the light and I am sure must be changing the spectrum of the bulb. <Agreed> Not to mention also warming the brace itself. My question to you is do you know, or know someone that would be able to help me fix this with problem with smaller braces having to be thicker or some other solution? <Not smaller... but you could cut the current braces and move them to the middle of the tank> I know from what I have read that they should have spaced them out more evenly. This would have helped to some degree but the braces need to be about 8" wide to really help with the lighting. Thanks a lot for your help and have a great day, Ian. <Is it worth considering moving the lights out over the side cut-outs and adding a third (perhaps higher wattage and temperature) MH to the middle area? Bob Fenner>
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I am sorry for not giving you the complete information on my lighting. Currently I have 3 175W Halides 10000K and two NO Actinics. I also have a combination of SPS and LPS corals, clam, leathers.  I don't mind your idea of moving the lights around. I could move the two end ones out over the 14" opening. Then I thought I could add another 175W Halide to the middle opening so there would be two. Would this be enough lighting for over my tank or should I consider getting two more halides of higher wattage for over the cross braces. <For this depth (30 total inches if memory serves) I might well increase the wattage of the center MH... perhaps a 250 Watt Pendant... and move your clam, perhaps some SPS there> If so what would you recommend for over my 30" deep tank? Thanks for all your help it is greatly appreciated. <Many possibilities... perhaps review the MH FAQs archived on WWM re others choices in lamps, fixtures. Bob Fenner>

A Light Conversation... I have gotten great advice from you guys before and now I need some advice on arguably the costliest and most controversial aspect of my new tank.  If possible I would really appreciate Anthony's opinion on this subject, but would also like some differing views.   <Scott F. here tonight!> Here is my tank, about 2 months into the design process, I figure it will be done in about a year.  About 300 Gallon  84L x 24W x 37D.  A 7 inch DSB and about two inches of extra space at the top of the tank leave appx 28 inches of water.  I don't intend to have the tank filled within a year, like most I see.  Rather I will be taking my time and allowing corals to grow, while still leaving plenty of swimming space for my beloved fish. <Great idea!> Only 200 lbs of LR will be used, this should leave me with plenty of room for many years to watch the inhabitants grow.  Other than fish this will be a clam and SPS tank.  I am not looking for extraordinary growth, but would like to have healthy colored corals and clams that will be beautiful for many years.  The clams will not be on the substrate but will be a few inches higher.  The remainder of the SPS corals will be at all different heights in the tank.  What do you suggest for lighting?  My local fish store insists that 2 175 watt 10k Ushios on an electronically moving track will work just fine.  As long as I use electronic ballasts (icecap 20% overdriving the bulbs) and good reflectors (sunlight supply reef-optics).  I agree that two bulbs will work perfect if on a moving track (thanks for that article Anthony), but I have yet to see an SPS system of this size with this little lighting. <The track concept is an exciting and under-utilized idea, IMO. However, if it were me, I'd go for higher-wattage bulbs, like 250 watts. I use and highly recommend the Reef Optix III pendants with Ice Cap ballasts and double-ended HQI bulbs. They are highly efficient, and really easy to use. I've had great results with Aqualine 10000ks in this configuration, and have been experimenting with some new 20000k bulbs as well. Aesthetically, I prefer the look of 20000ks, but I think that the 10000k's offer the better PAR values> I do agree with him on the use of 3 or 4 T5s with electronic ballasts as supplemental lighting, 420nm, 450nm and possibly their 60/40 for better non-halide viewing.  If this set up will work how long should the halides be on for,  just 6 or 8 hours, or can I have them on for 10 to accommodate better viewing? <I would go with the full 10 hour photoperiod for all of your lights. In my opinion, there is no real advantage (other than energy consumption/heat issues of burning the halides for a shorter duration.> If you think that this is too little light how about 2 250 HQI 10k in a Reef Optix III, electronic ballast, on the same moving track? <That's my recommendation> I think it would be great if 175s would work, save me money up front and ongoing. <Again, in my opinion, the cost differential between 250watt HQI's and 175watt mogul bulbs is not that great, particularly if you're using an efficient electronic ballast, like the Ice Cap. And, I think that you will see the difference in your coral growth over time.> But I also really want all of the SPS corals with the bright pigmentation, and want Maxima clams. <Yep-go for the 250 watt bulbs.> Thanks again for all your hard work and experience. <My pleasure! Hope this helps. Please let us know how things progress. Regards, Scott F>

Acrylic Tanks and MH Lighting We are in the investigating process of the "big tank" (650 gal). We want to leave the top open and use metal halide pendants for lighting since everything except the viewing window will be behind the wall. In one of the quotes for a custom tank the dealer said the tank has to be glass because the metal halides will destroy an acrylic tank. I have never heard this before and we had really decided that acrylic was the way we wanted to go. Is there any truth to this? Thanks in advance for your help and for the MANY questions that will be coming your way in the next few months. Beckie <No truth to it as far as I'm aware... Our old companies installed hundreds of acrylic tanks with metal halide lights in them... Bob Fenner>

Acrylic Tanks & MH Saw the post about MH and acrylic tanks. Just wanted to add that most acrylic tanks leave a considerable amount of acrylic in the top pane for structural support. A MH placed directly over one of these acrylic struts will likely cause that to crack. <Ahh, yes... Needs to be offset, and even then, suspended per manufacturer's recommendation... per wattage, a good distance above the top> But as long as the bulb is over a cut-out it should be fine. (I'm speaking from personal experience: I cracked one of my struts with a misplaced MH bulb. Others have traded thin acrylic panes on standoffs as heat shields; not sure if this works.) <Me neither. Likely not absolutely> A professional acrylic aquarium craftsman also warned me that the normal practice of polishing the top pane in order to round the edges of the cutouts can result in "crazing": a network of fine surface cracks that can, over time, develop into a real problem. MH bulbs might make any potential crazing worse. He bevels his edges rather than polishes them to reduce the risk of crazing. Marc <Good input. Thank you, Bob Fenner>

One MH light over reef... enough? Hi: I am in Cochin Kerala India near the Southern tip of India. <cheers my friend from afar> I have a 7ft by 2ft by 2ft marine aquarium. It is lit with one 150W MH 10000K. I have also put some 4 15 W actinic tubes and a 30W & a 20 W daylight tubes (they are on both sides of the MH. But I feel that lights at the end are not enough. What's your opinion? <Indeed... it is not enough light if you wish to grow coral along the entire length of the tank. But you can still avoid extra MH lamps by strategically keeping low light corals and decorative algae on the lower light flanks of the tank while placing the more demanding corals directly under the MH> The MH is HOT in Hot tropical India. I cannot, as of now, afford a chiller. <understood> I wanted to get some 36 W 10,000K CFLs (two to be on either end. But I do not know where to get them. I searched the web for any seller in India and the search was negative. Have you any idea where I can get them in India? <not sure where you might find them in India, but for any such aquarium hardware you seek, I suggest that you contact the manufacturer and let them earn your sale <G>. They can direct you to the closest distributor or a mail order outlet. With kind regards, Anthony>

MH lighting vs. PC lighting Bob, I have just finished reading the articles on lighting posted on your website. I still have a couple of questions relative to this subject. I have a 300 gallon fish/invert system. The tank measures 96x24x24.  <This is more a 240... a stock shape system in the trade... about 231 cubic inches per gallon...> I am currently using 2-400watt MH and 2-175W MH bulbs to provide lighting for the fish, leather corals, mushrooms, polyps, anemones, and some LPS corals. Of course I have the usual problems of excessive heat, and ultra high utility bills. <I do understand this!> Could I successfully convert my lighting to PC's and still have my animals thrive?  <Yes, in all cases... even if you have high-intensity light species like tridacnids, many SPS corals, they will do fine, some better under CF lighting... in a twenty or so inch depth of water system> Would it save me on my utilities and heat gain?  <Absolutely, on both counts> And is there a table or matrix available to determine how many PC's and what size (wattage) they should be? <Maybe somewhere... haven't looked for recently... Take a look at the links to lighting manufacturers on the www.WetWebMedia.com site> Thanks for your input. Bob McCook <You're certainly welcome. Bob Fenner>

Lighting a very deep captive system Mr. Fenner, I am in the process of purchasing a rather large aquarium. One 84" in depth.  <Wowzah, this is a TANK!> The company supplying the tank, Reynolds Polymer, claims that it is impossible to maintain live rock at such a depth and wants to sell me a fiberglass reef. <Hmm, well... my or an actual rebuttal might be that "live rock" is found in the wild at much greater depths... But having another tank tied in... is a good idea> My question is, what type of lighting, what K and wattage, and what spacing is necessary for the successful maintenance of a Fiji Rock reef. No corals etc, will be part of the reef. Any help will be greatly appreciated. <10,000 to 20,000 K for the very deep system... something above 5,000 Kelvin for shallower... wattage for the big tank in the 1 kilowatt size... the smaller, down to 175 watts, to 250 to 400... Much more to talk over my friend. Please take a look on our site, particularly the articles and FAQs on custom tanks: http://WetWebMedia.Com/tksstds.htm http://WetWebMedia.Com/dessysart.htm Bob Fenner>
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Mr. Fenner, Understood so far but what spacing should I do? Does a light cover an area 4x4, 6x6, etc. In effect I am trying to estimate how many lights will I need, and how bad is the electric bill going to be. Thank You very much, George <Hmm, yes to the light covering a given space... best to set nearer to each other (like two feet apart) on the very deep tank. The electrical consumption can be calculated by the watts consumed per fixture/lamp multiplied by the number of such fixtures/lamps which will give you the watts consumed per hour, multiplied times your kilowatt hour charge (likely about ten cents... unless you're in California)... you can get from your electrical bill... and then multiplied times the number of hours per day, week, month you intend to run them... Ex. one 1 kilowatt lamp run an hour uses about 1 kilowatt hour of electricity... costing an estimated ten cents per hour to run or at ten hours a day, about a dollar per day, thirty dollars per month... If you pay thirty cents per kilowatt hour (for ex.) you'd be charged near a hundred dollars per month for this one light. If, when, where in doubt, call the utility company. Bob Fenner>

Acrylic Tanks and MH Lighting We are in the investigating process of the "big tank" (650 gal). We want to leave the top open and use metal halide pendants for lighting since everything except the viewing window will be behind the wall. In one of the quotes for a custom tank the dealer said the tank has to be glass because the metal halides will destroy an acrylic tank. I have never heard this before and we had really decided that acrylic was the way we wanted to go. Is there any truth to this? Thanks in advance for your help and for the MANY questions that will be coming your way in the next few months. Beckie <No truth to it as far as I'm aware... Our old companies installed hundreds of acrylic tanks with metal halide lights in them... Bob Fenner>
Acrylic Tanks & MH
Saw the post below about MH and acrylic tanks. Just wanted to add that most acrylic tanks leave a considerable amount of acrylic in the top pane for structural support. A MH placed directly over one of these acrylic struts will likely cause that to crack. <Ahh, yes... Needs to be offset, and even then, suspended per manufacturer's recommendation... per wattage, a good distance above the top> But as long as the bulb is over a cut-out it should be fine. (I'm speaking from personal experience: I cracked one of my struts with a misplaced MH bulb. Others have traded thin acrylic panes on standoffs as heat shields; not sure if this works.) <Me neither. Likely not absolutely> A professional acrylic aquarium craftsman also warned me that the normal practice of polishing the top pane in order to round the edges of the cutouts can result in "crazing": a network of fine surface cracks that can, over time, develop into a real problem. MH bulbs might make any potential crazing worse. He bevels his edges rather than polishes them to reduce the risk of crazing. <Good input. Thank you, Bob Fenner>
Marc

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