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What fish can I add.?    Nonsense mixes in too small world      9/3/17
Hey Team,
I have a 10-15 gallon tank
. I had to give away:
1 ID Shark
2 Blood Parrot
1 Tinfoil Barb
as they were growing large.
<Indeed they would.>
I currently have
1 Tinfoil barb
<A social species; looks and behaves better in groups. But in a 10-15 gallon tank? That makes no sense at all. Tinfoil Barbs can get to 30 cm/12 inches, and even under aquarium conditions you can easily expect them to reach over 20 cm/8 inches within a couple of years.>
2 Firemouth
<A much better aquarium fish, but again, needs a bigger tank. Adults should get to at least 12 cm/5 inches in length, and potentially a little more. A singleton on its own might just be viable in a 130 litre/30 gallon tank, but realistically two specimens plus companion fish will need at least twice that.>
1 small white aquarium catfish.
<Covers a lot of possibilities here! The commonest catfish are Corydoras species, with adult sizes around the 5-8 cm/2-3 inch mark, hence groups of 5-6 specimens may be kept in tanks from 70 litres/15 gallons upwards. But
the other common catfish are Pterygoplichthys species, which get to 45 cm/18 inches, hence require tanks upwards of 350 litres/75 gallons.>
2 Silver\Bala Shark small
<Again, much the same as Tinfoil Barbs, and in no ways suitable for a tank this size.>
I would like you suggestion on what else can be a good add-on to the existing set.
<Nothing! This collection of fish makes no sense at all. I've written extensively on the sorts of fish you might keep in small tanks; here for example:
The fish you currently have will surely need a tank 10 times the size of the one you have. I would either get a bigger tank, or more sensibly perhaps, return them as start over.>
My plan was to add either 1 Tinfoil or another pair of Bala shark
Please suggest.
Thanks and regards,
<Hope this helps, Neale.>

Wavemaker for a 10 gallon freshwater, and stkg sm. sys.    9/13/17
Hi Team,
I have a 10 gallon freshwater tank with the following stocking:
1 Tinfoil Barb
2 Firemouth
2 Bala Sharks (small)
1 white catfish
1 Blue rainbow cichlid

Would it be a good idea to use a wavemaker taking into consideration my tank size and stocking. I am currently using an air motor for aeration which makes kind of a grrrrrr..... sound.
I am looking for an alternate...Please suggest.
<Hi Shriram, I would just use a hang-on-back bio-wheel filter of whatever brand. You mainly just need water movement and to keep the water surface turbulent. You could use a small powerhead (a Maxi-Jet or whatever in a small size) but I don't know that this would even be necessary.>
The Firemouth since this morning seem to sitting behind an artificial plant and chase the rainbow when he tries to come near them. I haven't seen this behavior in so many days. I am going to observe them for a couple of more
Any idea on why they must be getting territorial all of a sudden.

<Depends on how long they have been in this tank together. The cichlid is a territorial fish to begin with and might just be interested in taking over that spot, as you say, just observe them closely for any signs of fighting.>
Thanks and regards,
Shriram Natarajan
Blue Rainbow cichlid stays near the filter    9/15/17

HI Team,
I have observed that my Blue Rainbow cichlid has been staying near the filter since yesterday. I have seen him swimming around with the other fish (Tin Foil, Firemouth, Bala Sharks). Yesterday he even didn't seem to come out for food when we fed them live worms.
He seems to looking normal and don't find any symptoms of disease.
<Mmm; well; this IS an untenable (unsustainable) mix of fishes... need MUCH more room, now, and will not do well into the future in a ten gallon. I fully suspect the one fish is "hiding" out from the others, rather than
anything else>
What could probably be going wrong.
<Territoriality most likely. Really: take some time, look up (books, the Net) re each of the species requirements here: Water quality, feeding, space... Either trade them (all) back in, or save as quickly as practical
for a tank of several times the present volume. Bob Fenner>
Thanks and regards,
Shriram Natarajan
Re: Blue Rainbow cichlid stays near the filter... ask the same questions...      9/16/17

Hey Bob,
<Hey Shriram>
Thanks for getting back to me on my last query.
Here's another one.....
Can I leave my tank with just my current stocking..
<No mate. As previously stated... >
1 Tin Foil
2 Firemouth
2 Bala sharks
1 white catfish.
<Don't know what this cat is>
what are your recommendations.
<As I mentioned. Reading, study... trading all in and starting again, or getting a MUCH larger system.
Thanks and regards,
Shriram Natarajan
Re: Blue Rainbow cichlid stays near the filter; not listening to advice. Again   9/18/17

Hi ,
<Hello Shriram! Gabe here>
Got a chance to get some snaps of my 10 gallon last evening...Just thought of sharing with you.
<Thanks for sharing :)>
Can you look at the images and help if I can add any fish to it.
<As we have stated before, the fish you have in your system are much too large to be in a 10 gallon system. They will need to be put in a much larger tank. If you want to add any more fish, you will need to upgrade
your tank size.>
A little scared to add smaller fishes.
<Smaller fish will most likely be eaten by the cichlids, and as I said, they will not fit in the tank.>
Thanks and regards,
Shriram Natarajan
<Shriram, PLEASE upgrade your tank size before even considering new additions to your system. The fish you have will quickly outgrow their tank and will need to be put somewhere else before they stress and die. Thanks
for writing, Gabe>

Re: New Fishes keep dying.; still not reading or listening.... Again?        9/29/17
Dear Team,
<Hi Shriram, Gabe here again>
I currently hold a ten gallon tank with the following stocking:
2 Firemouth
2 Bala Shark
1 White catfish
1 Tin Foil Barb
<As we have said before, this is way too much for a ten gallon tank. All of
these grow quite large and need tons more space to grow and thrive>

They all are healthy.
<They may look healthy, but they are likely extremely stressed due to the overstocking in the tank. Territory battles can break out at any moment and they could end up killing each other over the little space they have.>
The issue is whenever I try to add a new fish. The new fish survives for a couple of days and then one-by-one they begin to die.
<You should not be adding new fish to this tank. If you continue on this path, more and more fish will die.>
I am unable to conclude on what could I be missing on, and why are my new fishes dying when my other fishes are perfectly fine.
Can you please help.
<Shriram, you need to upgrade your tank size. Do not add any more fish to this tank, as they will surely die. I'm not sure how else to get our point through. You have sent many messages and we always respond the same thing.
Do NOT add fish until you get a bigger tank. Cheers, Gabe>
Re: New Fishes keep dying.; still not reading or listening       9/30/17

Hi Gabe,
I have clearly understood your point.
<Glad you understand>
The only reason my mind deceives me in adding new fish is because at times the tank kind of looks empty.
<Even if the tank looks empty, it is not. You have 6 fish that all grow large. In time it will look too full>

I will make sure that I do not have any new additions in the existing tank and also look into options for upgrading the tank.
<Thank you. I would suggest a large tank if you look to keep aggressive fish like cichlids>
Thanks as always.
<Have you ever heard of the idea of having one inch of fish per gallon of water? You should try to follow this when you upgrade. For example, if you have a fish with a maximum size of 5 inches, it should be in no less than 5 gallons of water. While this rule has a few exceptions, it is normally a good rule to follow. For freshwater fish, use one inch per gallon. Saltwater is recommended one inch per two gallons. Thank you for using WetWeb, Shriram. Feel free to write us any time. Cheers, Gabe>

5.5 gallon tank that houses a Betta, three zebra danios and three neon tetras. Sm. sys. stkg.        7/16/16
I've e-mail before and have gotten amazing advice so I thought I'd ask my questions here this time as well.
<Fire away!>
I have a 5.5 gallon tank that houses a Betta, three zebra danios and three neon tetras.
<Hmm... overstocked... and not wisely stocked I fear. The Zebra Danios can get to the best part of two inches in length, and in small groups (fewer than six) tend to become nippy; the males are especially aggressive at times, and can be nippy towards Bettas.>
The Betta is only about an inch and a half including fins. The zebras are about an inch and a quarter and the neons are all less than an inch. I was told that you could keep two or three of the zebras and danios to the one inch per gallon rule since they are small and have less bio load.
<Understood, and broadly yes, the "inch per gallon" rule does work for small fish like Neons and Danios without too much trouble. But even if it were: adult Neons are, say, 1.5 inches; adult Zebra Danios almost 2 inches.
So three of each would be 3 x 1.5 = 4.5 for the Neons, and 3 x 2 = 6 for the Danios, which makes a total of 10.5 inches. We're over the stocking limit of your tank. Your Betta is going to be about 2.5 inches when fully grown, so now we're looking at 13 inches. Now, Neons and Danios should be kept in groups of six each, at minimum, so 6 x 1.5 for the Neons, for 9 inches total, and 6 x 2 inches for the Danios, for 12 inches total; add the Betta, and we're closer to 23.5 inches. So something like a 20 gallon tank is much closer to what you'd want here. For sure it's a conservative rule for small fish, which is why 20 gallons is fine, and frankly your Danios are unlikely to get to their maximum size (for some reason they rarely do in captivity) so even 15 gallons would be acceptable at a pinch. But 10 gallons would be too small for them given their size and their activity level, and 5.5 gallons really is unsuitable, even cruel.>
But my concern is that the tank actually only holds 4 gallons of water. I'm guessing that the gravel and plants take up some of the room replacing the other gallon.
It took forever for the tank to cycle and I finally got Seachem Stability which did indeed cycle the tank but I still get ammonia readings.
<Over-loaded tank.>
So I think the bio load is way too much.

I can get a used ten gallon tank and was wondering if that would be big enough?
<For Bettas and Neons, yes. I would not keep Danios in a tank this small though for the reasons outlined above.>
It comes with a 15 gallon filter. On my 5 gallon I have a 10 gallon filter.
Is the 15 gallon filter enough to help with the bio load?
<In part, yes, extra filtration is always a plus. But not a complete solution. Do look at 20 and 10 gallon tanks next to each other: the size difference in terms of "shelf space" is trivial. Cheers, Neale.>

Stocking a tank      5/21/16
I am starting a new tank 10 gal L 22,w12,h14. I plan to stock it with one Betta , three African dwarf frog, a dozen or so Rasbora and some plant life. This being my first tank I would like to know if this is a suitable population for this tank size. I would appreciate any suggestions stocking this tank. Thank you
<Does sound like a very nice arrangement. I take it the Rasboras are a small/er species. Bob Fenner>

Help with fish selection please!  10/22/09
I have a redundant, small (6.6g) tank which I am considering setting up as a tropical aquarium.
<Too small for almost any fish.>
I know this is very small, and so I can only keep a very limited type/number of fish in it.
I found out about Bettas through your site, and the pygmy Corydoras which I would love to be able to keep.
<Betta, yes; Corydoras, no.>
My problem is that the tap water here is fairly hard (GH between the >10 °d and >16 °d markers on the dip stick, KH at 10 °d) and alkali (pH about 7.6) and I understand both the above like 'soft', 'acidic' conditions.
<Actually this water is just fine for both species.>
Would this rule Bettas and Corys out? I have also seen Endler's livebearers in the local store, which I gather would be fine in my water and tank size.
<Male Endler's Guppies tend to be aggressive towards each other, so I wouldn't keep them in a tank this small. I cannot stress this too strongly: your tank is basically useless for fish. A 10-gallon tank could hold a male and two female Endler's just fine, along with half a dozen Corydoras habrosus or Corydoras hastatus. But a 6-gallon tank is just too small.>
Wanting healthy, happy fish, please could you advise which selection (if either) would be best? If the water is not an issue, would Endler's and Corys get on together?
<Would actually recommend this: either get a Betta, or get a Betta and also some Cherry Shrimps. The Cherry Shrimps are colourful, breed happily, and are fascinating to watch. You could easily keep ten or more in a tank this size. Feel free to substitute for any other small algae-eating shrimp, like Bumblebee Shrimps or Crystal Red Shrimps, though Bettas may eat the smaller shrimp varieties. Add some Nerite snails too, if you want. These don't breed, and come in lots of nice colour patterns. Check out Neritina natalensis for example. Decorate the tank with Java ferns, Anubias, and clumps of Java moss, and you'll have a little "freshwater reef tank" with a pretty fish and lots of sweet little invertebrates!>
Thank you so much,
<Cheers, Neale.>

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