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Cardinal with blister/worm?
-05/07/08
Hello WWM Crew!
First, I have to thank you for the invaluable resource that you provide
to all aquarists. Your website is brilliant: a veritable mine of
information!
That being said, I (of course) have a problem.
<Thanks for the kind words.>
One of my cardinal tetras has me stumped. At first, I thought he/she had
mechanical damage from running into something in their habitat. Later, a
sizable white spot developed inside of a large, clear blister.
Additionally, on this individual only, a large swatch of black has
developed beneath the eyes bilaterally, stretching from the mouth
towards his/her gills. The black "stripe" lies beneath the iridescent
blue scales that cover the cardinals body. For the time being (and since
the "blister" started to develop some time ago) the cardinal is acting
entirely normal, schooling with the 29 others, eating extremely well,
full cardinal colour, no scratching or abnormal behaviour. A second
cardinal has begun to show the lighter/clear patch of discolouration
that preceded the "blister."
<Ah, given the "syndrome" is spreading, I'm obviously thinking about
Pleistophora as a possible cause. Whilst Cardinals do not seem quite as
susceptible as Neons, they can still catch the so-called "Neon Tetra
Disease". There's no known cure, beyond breaking the cycle of infection,
which seems to be sick/dead fish releasing infective stages that get
into healthy fish. Isolating symptomatic fish is the preferred first
step.>
Tank specs: ammonia, nitrite, 0. Nitrate, less than 5, more than 0. Soft
water, pH 6.8, mixed treated tap and RO. Fluorite substrate, heavily
planted. Tankmates: 30 cardinals (two symptomatic), four M. altispinosus
(asymptomatic), one SAE (asymptomatic). The tank has been fully cycled
for about 6 months (fishlessly, so much easier! Why doesn't everyone do
it this way?). The tank is kept at 82 degrees F. Partial water changes
are done at least weekly (often times more often…there is still sediment
on all of the plants from the Fluorite!) and the gravel is vacuumed each
time (around the plants).
<All sounds ideal for tetras.>
I found a reference on WWM to worms growing in blisters on a Raphael
Cat. Is this one and the same?
<Blisters can of course be caused by a variety of things. People get
blisters from things as diverse as badly fitting shoes and Bubonic
plague. So one should be very careful about assigning causes to just one
symptom of this type. What's more specific to Pleistophora is changes in
colouration, loss of appetite, shyness, and then eventually death.
Infected fish, particularly species other than Neons, can last for many
weeks even months before death.>
I found the reference here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebindex/catfshdisfaqs.htm . However,
the same individual got two different answers from two different experts
(you guys really are): "This is likely some sort of "worm" parasite
(more likely a digenean trematode/fluke but maybe a nematode)… The
Paragon might help... there are other vermicides... Levamisole,
Fenbendazole, Piperazine... that might be tried" and "The blisters are
really bacterial infections eating away the flesh of the fish. Treat
with Nitrofuranace after you do a 30% water change and serviced the
filter."
<Blisters can indeed be caused by both these things. Unless you're a
microbiologist, it is really impossible to know what the problem is. So
the best you can do is run through the likely causes one at a time,
trying different treatments.>
There was also a reference to Dieter Untergasser's "Handbook of Fish
Diseases": "There is one treatment method suggested in there that sounds
like it should work (method C6)." I am afraid that I do not have this
book, as I have never had any trouble with disease in any of my tanks
(well, I rehomed African Cichlids for someone else that had been
horribly abused, but that required nothing more than better husbandry
and a larger tank). I checked local libraries with no success. I will
purchase it now, but I'm afraid it will be a couple weeks to arrive. May
I enquire as to this "method C6"?
<No idea I'm afraid. In any case, with very small fish, the fish often
doesn't last long enough for the treatment to work. It's simply a size
issue. So while I'd certainly consider isolating and treating infected
fish as best as I could, in this case if it *does* seem to be "catchy",
I'd perhaps painlessly destroy both fish to stop the problem spreading.>
If this is what is mal-affecting my cardinal(s), how should I treat?
Should I treat everyone in situ or should I remove the affected
individuals to the hospital tank? Do I need to tear down the tank to
stop everyone getting infected if this is a parasite? Would they best be
treated orally or as a bath? If I have to treat in situ, is there a
medication that is plant safe, or do I have to remove the plants? I have
attached a photograph of the cardinal (and learned that cardinals are
camera shy, and move fast!) that shows the blister, white spot, and
black under his/her eyes. I just noticed that the photo makes the
cardinal look like it has popeye, but I can assure you that it is only a
trick of the light.
<Isolate the infected fish for sure; perhaps maintain them for 2-3 weeks
simply by providing good food and water and see what happens. Treat with
an antibiotic or antibacterial if you want. It is possible the blister
is nothing worse than a secondary infection caused by (for example)
fighting. In this case, you should see some signs of improvement. But if
the fish continue to deteriorate, get back in touch. At worst, you've
isolated the potential source of infection and your other tetras should
be fine. I have long since given up keeping Neons because of the
plethora of mystery diseases they seem to come supplied with. Cardinals,
though more expensive, are tougher and better value in my experience.
But even so, you might be unlucky.>
Sorry for the novel of an email, but I wanted to provide you with all of
the information I could. Thank you for all of your help, and the
excellent resource you have compiled for all of us (it is becoming
harder and harder to resist that reef tank…).
<So they tell me.>
To you and yours, a wonderful day and weekend.
Thanks,
Tianna
<Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: FW Cardinal with blister/worm?
05/08/08
Hello Neale,
Thank you for your advice on my cardinal issue. I have isolated him/her in a
separate tank, and am working on catching the second. I hadn't even thought of
NTD! Urg! The possibility didn't even cross my mind, since the fish is just as
active as the rest of the school, and still the first to food.
<Which all sounds positive, so fingers crossed the blisters heal by themselves.>
There is also no white necrotic tissue present- only a clear blister (still with
regular, bright colouration beneath, despite how the picture appears…), with an
ich like spot inside.
<Odd.>
But...alarm bells ringing! When I took the cardinal out of the tank, I noticed
that it does have a "lumpy" appearance. I hadn't noticed, because it is so
subtle that you can't see it except when looking at the cardinal from above.
<Well, keep an eye on things. Do provide the isolated fish with shade and good
clean water so it isn't too unhappy.>
As far as an anti-parasitic, do you have a recommendation that may work?
<Wish there was. So far as I know, nothing works reliably, or even half the
time.>
I figure that if it is NTD, an anti-parasitic won't do any more harm. I would
rather not sacrifice the fish if I do not have to, but in the event that they do
begin to suffer, I will certainly break out the microscope.
<I certainly hope the boffins at the "fish medication" labs come up with
something for Pleistophora; it's a real plague and so depressing to watch. But
breaking the cycle of infection/re-infection is essential, which is what you've
done.>
Thanks again,
Tianna
<Good luck, and keep us posted. Neale.>
Re: Cardinal with blister/worm? 5/10/08
Hello again Neale, I hope you are enjoying your weekend!
<Indeed I am! A lovely summery sort of day here in England.>
I think the mystery of the white-sphere-filled-blisters on the cardinals has
been solved. I went to perform a water change on the hospital tank, and ARGH!
What appeared to be nematodes, of all different lengths, free swimming in the
tank. The white spot (which, I guess, is a mass of subcutaneous parasites) in
one of the cardinals had shrunk considerably.
<Never seen this, or even heard of it. Sounds quite nasty. In any case, I'd
immediately use some sort of antibacterial/antibiotic to prevent secondary
infections caused by the burst cyst. An anti-helminth drug such as Prazi Pro
should deal with the nematodes. But that said, most worms have complex life
cycles that can't be completed under aquarium conditions (for example, they need
to go through a bird or snail before they can back into a fish). So provided
there were no secondary infections and the Cardinal otherwise recovers, I'd
actually be cautiously optimistic.>
This brings up another question that I will beg your help with.
<Indeed?>
Since removing the two symptomatic cardinals from the display tank, the "mystery
illness" had gone wild. Nearly half of the cardinals are now showing symptoms.
Clearly, there are nematodes in the tank that I can neither see, nor remove.
Would it be more beneficial to just treat the entire display tank, and stop
torturing the poor fish in a "naked", uncycled hospital tank (especially if
there are parasites living in the display that will simply reinfect the fish
again)?
<In an uncycled tank, you can use Zeolite to remove the ammonia directly, and
that's cost effective and reliable with very small fish like Cardinals.>
As my hospital tank is only 10 gal, I cannot realistically move all 30 cardinals
plus the other inhabitants to tear down the display to disinfect. I could be
wrong, but I think this would do more harm than good.
<Agreed.>
Before the "big break" in this mystery, I had purchased some of Seachem's
Cupramine as a shot in the dark. Would this be effective against the
subcutaneous nematodes, or would I be better served by exchanging it for
something like Praziquantel (if I can find it)?
<Cupramine is certainly worth a shot before trying anything else.>
I always quarantine new livestock, so seeing this now, after several months in
the tank and having been quarantined for a month prior to moving to this display
is mind numbing. I guess nothing is fool-proof!
<Quite. As I say, this disease is something I've never encountered. Possibly Bob
Fenner can offer more advice.><<Sorry to say, RMF is out traveling and without
sufficient internet access. -S.M.>>
Thank you so very much for all of your help (both on this mystery, and the rest
of this website!)
<We appreciate your kind words.>
Have a great weekend,
Tianna
<Enjoy your weekend, too. Cheers, Neale.> |
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Question about spot
on neon's mouth 3/26/08
Hi folks,
I have a 10-gallon tank with a male Betta, two neon tetras, a frog, and
two algae eaters (the kind that
stay little, not sure of the name). They have all lived together for
several months. I clean the tank
every other week, this usually keeps the nitrates under 10.
<Neons need to be in groups of 6 or more; in smaller groups they are
stressed and unhappy. Please note that fish couldn't care less about
cute names. But what they want is that you work around their biological
needs. In the case of Neons, that means company! Keeping them in
too-small a group is animal cruelty, however you choose to rationalise
it.>
One of the Neons (Zippity) has a dark spot on his lower lip. I recently
had a problem with stringy
algae and thought he may have gotten some stuck on his mouth, but it
hasn't come off in a couple of days. He
is able to eat. Should I put him in the hospital tank in case he is sick
and could pass it along to the
others?
<No. It may simply be physical damage, in which case it will heal. But
do also be aware that things like Mouth Fungus and Finrot can start as
small blisters or sores. So as ever, check your nitrite level before you
do anything else.>
Also, should I be adding aquarium salt to the tank?
<No. Almost all fish diseases come down to water quality issues. Almost
none come down to not using salt!>
I don't now because I thought I read that Neons don't like salt, but did
read that it's good for disease prevention.
<They don't and it isn't.>
Thank you!
Alice
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: question about
spot on neon's mouth
Thank you for the advice. I will keep a close eye on the spot. The
two Neons are the last two from a school - I will make sure they find a
new home with other Neons as soon as he recovers.
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Black Skirt Tetra Infection?
Help! 2/29/08
Hi, I have a 75 gallon well-established planted aquarium. The water
parameters are good and all the fish have been healthy for about 5 years now.
Today I noticed that a black-skirt tetra is ill. It is swimming abnormally -
it's tail keeps falling and it makes brief jolts forward to right himself. It
looks stressed and on closer inspection, it's torso area behind the operculum is
red and swollen. I will try to catch him and put him in a quarantine tank
tomorrow (not so easy in a planted aquarium) but what is wrong with him? An
infection? What is the best way to treat him? Are the other fish in danger? Any
help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Kim
<Hello Kim. Difficult to say precisely what's happening here, but it is
certainly possible it has a bacterial infection of some sort. I'd try something
like Maracyn and see how things go. Do remember to remove carbon from the
filter, if you're using it. There are some parasitic infections that cause the
gills to inflame, most notably Velvet, so do check for that (typically an
off-white powder on the body). But parasites don't normally get into tanks
unless you've added new fish. A photo might help pin things down. Cheers,
Neale.>
Dying Tetras 2/10/08
I have been reading through your site and couldn't get a definite answer
about my dying neon tetras. So I was wondering about my neon tetras. I recently
added 12 neon tetras to my old school of 5. So my school of 17 looked awesome,
but then I lost half of my school in a few days.
<This seems to happen quite often with Neons, and is one reason I have stopped
keeping them and don't recommend them. The quality of the mass produced stock is
fairly poor, and I suspect depends a lot on the use of antibiotics. As soon as
the fish arrive at the retailer, the antibiotics wear off and the fish become
increasingly sensitive to opportunistic infections. This may be aggravated by
the fact most people keep Neons far too warm; in the wild their preferred
temperature range is 22-25 C, so compared with most other tropical fish, they
need something a little cooler. Failing in this regard may be stressing them,
leading to greater sensitivity to infections. Pleistophora ("Neon Tetra
Disease") may also be prevalent. Although more expensive, Cardinal tetras strike
me as being better value.>
The aquarium is 55 gallons and my water parameters are fine except for pH which
may be a little high (7.6).
<Well within their tolerances; if acclimated, Neons have been know to do well at
up to pH 8, 30 degrees dH! Water quality and temperature are probably much more
significant issues.>
Ammonia is 0ppm, nitrites are 0ppm, and nitrates are about 10-20ppm. My other
fish in the aquarium are 1 dwarf Gourami, 2 blue gouramis, 1 gold Gourami, 4
rainbow sharks. I also have 4 crayfish in my tank, biggest on is about 3 inches
long max. I am thinking maybe they are catching my Neons and eating them.
<Crayfish will indeed eat small fish. Under no circumstances can crayfish be
considered safe additions to the community tank. While it is true crayfish are
mostly herbivores in the wild, in aquaria they can easily catch small fish.
Because Neons sleep close to the bottom of the tank, crayfishes could easily
catch and eat them.>
I actually saw one snacking on a tetra but not sure if he caught him. It might
also explain why I only actually see a few of my Neons dead while the other ones
are just not there.
<Do check for signs of Pleistophora: Infected Neons lose their colour, become
shy, stay away from the group, and often hide under plants. A few days later
they're dead. Pleistophora is highly contagious once the fish is moribund or
dead because opening the body cavity (e.g., as other fish eat the corpse) allows
the parasites to swim into the water. The only way to effective stop
Pleistophora is to remove infected fish on sight. They should be painlessly
destroyed, as there is no reliable cure, and certainly not once the disease
because sufficiently entrenched that you can tell the fish actually has it.>
They didn't jump out of the tank because I have a very tight fitting canopy and
there's no dried up tetras on the carpet. One more thing too, if my pH is to
high I was thinking about using water from a local spring in which the pH is
about 6.4, and no ammonia, nitrite or nitrates. I would also run it through my
deionization filter to make sure any harmful things would be removed. I would
greatly appreciate your help and advise.
<Mixing soft water with hard water out the tap is fine. I do this by mixing
rainwater with tap water to good effect. Filtering the spring water or rainwater
through carbon will remove any nasties, but generally such water sources are at
least as safe for fish as tap water, perhaps more so. In any case, do always
remember to make water chemistry changes slowly, perhaps doing 25% water changes
each week until you reach the desired level of hardness and acidity. Now, the
crayfishes will not like soft water. They need to be removed anyway, but just as
a heads-up, in common with all crustaceans, "the harder the better" in terms of
healthcare. Also remember that as hardness drops, so does pH stability, and many
is the aquarist who's softened the water in their tank only to discover the pH
suddenly drops between water changes. I'd not take the hardness below 10 degrees
dH. Remember: fish don't care about pH, so long as its stable; what matters is
*hardness*, as that directly influences osmoregulation. Cheers, Neale.>
Black Tetra, hlth. 12/5/07
Hello,
In my mothers aquarium is a Black Tetra that has a small black growth below his
lower lip, he is listless and has a very faint red hue on it's body every where
except in the center. The fins are not red that I can see. He has not eaten in a
week that I have seen and he has a little bit of a clear feces. I put in some
furan 2 for 2 days,
<... for what purpose?>
did a water change and added some more for 2 days and I see no improvement. Can
you help me. Thanks for any advice. thanks Sherri
<Could you send along a photo? I suspect this may be a genetic issue... Many
Gymnocorymbus have such difficulties nowadays... Do you have other individuals
of this species? What other livestock is present? What re your water quality
tests? Bob Fenner>
Tetra illness
question Oct 22, 2007
Crew,
<David>
As I was feeding my son's fish yesterday, I noticed one of his day Glo
tetras was missing from the action. I found it in the back of the tank
and it looked awful. It was bloated, opaque, had white spots on its
sides, its face was yellowish, and its tail fin was looking ragged. Any
idea what is wrong.
<Mmm, yes... Likely the protozoan called "Ich"... though could be some
other... e.g. Chilodonella...>
Tank specifics
10 gallon tank
4 day Glo tetras
2 swordtails
1 male guppy
The tank has fully cycled and has been running for 5 months. The guppy
and one tetra were recently added (2 weeks ago),
<Likely the vector/s here>
but had gone through a full 28 day quarantine with no signs of disease.
<Oh! Good for you>
Tank also has a 15watt compact fluorescent bulb and 3 plants as well as
some algae eating shrimp who like spectrum fish food and freeze-dried
Tubifex worms a lot more than algae.
Water parameters
Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
Nitrate = ??? (can't find my kit....grrrrrr)
<Maybe a factor, but not a definitive one. That is, the infesting agent
had to be borne from somewhere>
Temp = 80C
General Hardness = 13
pH => 7.6 (top of scale)
Any ideas as to what might be happening? Thanks for you help!
David
<I would treat as if this were ich... unfortunately the temperature
cannot be manipulated upward... as the livebearers don't tolerate this
well. Please read: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwich.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner> |
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HELP!!!! Massive Tetra deaths, need help tonight!
10/23/07 Hey guys, <Hello,> sorry, I'm not gonna spell check this, hopefully you can get back to me tonight, and don't worry, i wont be offended if you don't post this on the FAQ's.... <Hmm... not sure it works this way.> I came home today to find 11 out of my school of 23 glowlight tetras floating. they were all alive and fine as of 8 am this morning, and when i got home at 7 they were floating with bulging bellies (some were
gutted with their entrails hanging out...) am at the north end of the san Diego fires right now (not in the path, but we might be evacuated tonight)
I'm not sure, but ive heard of power outages in the area, so the tank could have been un powered for quite some time... i did a 1/3 water change yesterday, the same way i always do, with the same water treatments.
I'm not sure what caused this, and i might be evacuated tonight and unable to return for a day or so. please let me know if there is anything i can do to protect the rest of the tank residents when/if i am gone
I'd appreciate it! <Massive sudden deaths of fish can be caused by two different things. The first is a crash in water quality. While filtration is certainly one thing to check, the other is pH; tanks lacking carbonate hardness are intrinsically "unstable". On top of this, all tanks have a tendency to become acidic. So without a carbonate hardness "reserve" in the water to mop up those acidifying chemicals, it doesn't take much to tip a tank over the edge into a sudden pH drop. I've seen tanks go from pH 7 to below pH 6 within a couple of days. There's a bit of a positive feedback too -- acid-hating plants, like Vallisneria, will die off when the water becomes acidic, and as they die, they decay and produce more organic acids, and that speeds up the acidification process even further. This is why I consider hard water a "blessing in disguise" despite the fact it isn't ideal for many aquarium fish: for all its shortcomings, hard, alkaline water is stable and resists water chemistry changes. In the meantime, check for possible sources of acidification: dead animals, rotting plants, etc. The second thing that causes sudden fish deaths is toxins. Insecticide, paint fumes, even tobacco fumes can cause real problems. Adding non-aquarium safe objects to a tank, such as wood that's been treated with pesticide, is also dangerous.> thanks, and be safe Bob, i know you're right in the middle of this too. <Anyway, if you are worried about possibly doing without power for periods of time, then invest in some large lidded buckets. I have 5 gallon buckets for this. Into each, put small groups of fish. Partially fill with water, and replace the lids loosely so air can get in. You can then move these to a warm part of the house. Changing water in the buckets on a daily basis is essential. Why do things this way?
There reasons: water changes will compensate for filtration; and secondly deaths of fish in one bucket won't place any of the other buckets at risk, so you can "micromanage" fatalities; and finally you don't have to deal with dead/dying plants, snails or whatever. You can easily replace those if you want, but should the fish be in there when they die, the decay mops up oxygen and stresses the fish. I've safely looked after fish this way for days on end. Good luck, Neale>
Re: HELP!!!! Massive Tetra
deaths, need help tonight! 10/23/07
Hmmm, so it probably has something to do with the peat i added to the filter
about a week and a half ago to help soften my very hard tap water. and then
changing 12 gallons out of 36 with water not treated with peat? it looks like i
will have to just stick with stable, hard water. is it best to just pull all of
the peat out immediately or gradually?
<This sounds very likely to be the cause of the problem. Sudden changes in
hardness and pH, even from "bad" to "good" values, can be lethal. I don't
personally like adding peat to aquaria as a softener. Peat is very
unpredictable, and once the water starts to soften, the pH can drop
precipitously. Much better to have the aquarium filled with chemically inert
materials (silica sand, gravel, etc) and then adjust the water outside the tank,
e.g., by mixing hard water with a certain amount of rainwater or Reverse Osmosis
(RO) softened water. (Note: not water from a domestic water softener; while
lacking in carbonate, this has high levels of chloride, and simply isn't "soft
water" as aquarists mean it.) Once you have the water you want, you can add this
treated water to the tank in increments, allowing the fish to slowly adjust to
the new conditions over a few days. Since there's no peat actually in the tank,
the pH and hardness in the tank should be basically stable. For a standard
community aquarium, you only need to slightly soften hard water for good
results. A pH around 7 and hardness of 10 degrees dH and 5 degrees KH is just
about perfect for most community fish. There's no real benefit to softer, more
acidic conditions unless you're spawning exceptionally sensitive fish such as
Cardinal tetras, wild-caught Discus, Chocolate gouramis, Rasboras, etc. For
simple maintenance, the above conditions are just fine. Indeed, some degree of
(carbonate) hardness is desirable because it inhibits the background
acidification that happens in all aquaria over time. In the meantime, if your
fish are alive and feeding, assume they've adjusted, and make adjustments back
up to your hard water conditions by doing no more than 20% water changes per
day. Slowly but surely is the way to win the water chemistry game. Either that,
or don't play at all, and stick with your baseline tap water conditions. Hope
this helps, Neale.>
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Tetra buoyancy 10/20/07
Dear Crew,
<Hello there! Andrea with you this afternoon.>
Today after feeding my Tetras I noticed that 1 of my Neons is floating toward
the surface and actively swimming to stay lower in the aquarium. I
feed them tropical flake food with the occasional freeze-dried bloodworms.
<Sounds delicious...>
I hadn't noticed this behavior before today so my theory is that he sucked in
some air while eating. My water parameters are as follows: Ammonia,
Nitrite and Nitrate all 0, pH 7.8.
<pH is a little on the high side for Neons, but I wouldn't worry much. You might
add some driftwood as a decoration to the aquarium to soften the water and bring
it down. What does concern me is that the NitrAte is at 0. How long has the
aquarium been up? Generally speaking, in the FW world, we want to see a little
nitrate, as it lets us know that the tank isn't cycling. You should have
something of a reading...5, 10, 15 ppm at least. What kind of test kits are you
using? You might take a sample to the local fish store and have them test it.
Having zeros across the board usually tells me that either the tank is brand
spanking new, or the test kits have gone bad.>
I do a 40% water change every 5 days.
<Excellent regimen. Keep it up!>
I don't feel that it is a water quality issue, he's not listing around or
floating head up or down, but when he stops swimming he floats to the surface.
<Could be swim bladder dysfunction. It's not fatal, just looks funny. Do a
search on WWM for Swim Bladder for more information.>
Is there anything I can do or is this just a "wait and see" type of thing?
<If he is otherwise acting healthy, stool looks normal, eating well, I'd just
let him be. Could be needing a good burp, could be the food is too fibrous,
could be swim bladder, could be something else. You might also try giving him
some mushed up blanched peas, in case he has a mild case of constipation.>
If it is air and he can't expel it, is that a fatal condition?
<No, the air will find a way out, one way or another ;-). They are kind of like
us in that way.>
Also, how long could it take for him to recover from this?
<It really depends what it is. If it is swim bladder damage, he might always be
that way, and it is just a quirk. If it is something else, it may pass, or it
may not. Worst case scenario is he has some problem that is affecting him
neurologically, such as a bacterial infection or parasite, but I'd say the
chances of that are relatively slim if he is eating and otherwise well. Unless
he shows other symptoms, I'd just call him "Bobby" or "Floaty" or "Bouncy" or
something cute.>
Thanks for your help,
<Anytime!>
Evan
<Andrea>
Re: Tetra buoyancy 10/29/07
Andrea, et al:
<Hi Evan, sorry for the delay. I have been out of town.>
Thank you for your help earlier. <Most welcome.> I wanted to update you on the
situation.
After about 5 hours "Bob" seems to be back to normal.
<Glad to hear it.>
I've only been keeping fish for 3 months, so when I saw his behavior I was
surprised and alarmed.
<It happens to all of us. I've been keeping fish for years and years, and still
panic often. The same with my cats, frogs, lizards, toads, nieces,
nephews....call it human care instinct. =). It does ease up a bit though.>
And on the water tests: I'm using Jungle 5-in-1 and Ammonia quick dip tests so
the readings aren't super precise and some of the tests have a large gap between
values. On the Nitrate the scale is 0 then 20 and it was definitely not 20.
<The test strips are good for getting a general feel of water conditions, but
since you are new to the hobby, I really suggest you get better test kits, with
liquid reagents. They really are an invaluable tool, especially early in the
hobby when you are just learning. The accuracy will help you both learn and get
a better feel for the conditions in your tank. API makes good kits for
freshwater that are reasonably priced and readily available. You will want to
have Ammonia, NitrIte, NitrAte, pH, kH, and possibly Phosphate on hand. Salifert
are also excellent, but more expensive. It will serve you and your fish well to
buy these and familiarize yourself with them and their properties.>
Again, thank you all for your continuing help to all of us fish keeping
novices and experts.
<Our pleasure.>
-Evan
Mysterious repeated hatchet fish death II – 10/18/07
Hi,
I hope you can have an answer.
<We'll try.>
We have a 10 gallon tank with live plants, 3 platys and 3 hatchet fish.
two day after we introduced the hatchets, we found one of them dead.
Went to the store bought another one, next day dead.
<Hatchets aren't the easiest of fish. Which species are we talking about here?
There are two common types, Marble hatchets and Silver hatchets. The Marble
hatchet is Carnegiella strigata and it is small, mottled brown, and quite
delicate. It needs to be in groups of 6 or more to have any chance of surviving.
In ones and twos they just die. Not recommended for your tank simply because
they will feel trapped and get stressed. When stressed, they jump at the glass
lid or lamps, and damage themselves. The Silver hatchet is Gasteropelecus
sternicula. It is larger, silver, with a blue horizontal band on the flanks. It
is basically hardy once settled in, but mortality during the first few weeks can
be very high. Given its adult size and high activity level, not really an option
for a 10 gallon tank.>
The water is fine, Ph between 7 and 7.2 temperature around 76-78. The community
is fine and the plant are thriving.
We are feeding them with Spectrum the small fish formula.
We thought they might be jumping and hurting themselves on the hood.
<Happens.>
The deaths happened during the day.
Thanks a lot
Emanuela
<Give up with Hatchets. Your tank is not really suited to hatchets. While lovely
fish (I keep Silver hatchets) they are far from easy fish and best suited to
expert fishkeepers or aquarists prepared to set aside a large, quiet, thickly
planted tank where they can be kept in large numbers. If you want a surface
dweller of some type, look at something like Sparkling gouramis (Trichopsis
pumila) which are hardy, colourful, and do well in small tanks. Cheers, Neale.>
Tetras with Ich
– 09/17/07
Dear crew,
<<Hello, Evan. Tom with you.>>
I have a 10 gallon tank with 4 Glowlight tetras and 3 neon tetras (I had 5 Neons
originally but 2 died soon after arriving home from the LFS). That raises a
question; one of the dead Neons was completely colorless when I found it. Could
the cause of death been NTD?
<<Could be, Evan, but not very likely. Your other Neon Tetras would have almost
certainly contracted NTD by now and I can’t guarantee that the Glowlights
wouldn’t have been affected, as well.>>
If so: how long before any of my other fish exhibit symptoms? It’s been over 2
weeks and I haven’t noticed the fish acting sick.
<<They’d have shown signs by now, Evan.>>
Sorry for the digression, back to my original question.
<<No problem.>>
My tank has 0 Ammonia, 0 Nitrites and less than 20 ppm Nitrates, temp 84F, pH
7.8.
<<The pH levels are high for the Neons in particular, Evan. Not necessarily a
problem but might account for some stress in these fish.>>
10 days ago I noticed the start of ich on a couple of the Glowlights and I
started a treatment of Aquarium Pharmaceuticals’ Super Ick Cure (Benzaldehyde
Green and Povidone/Colloid mixture). I have been treating at half dose but
following Doug Thamm’s recommendations found here:
http://fins.actwin.com/articles/disease/ick2.php. I have the temperature at 84F
and have performed 2 full administrations (5 mL initial dose followed by 5mL
more 48 hours later, followed by WC after another 48 hours, and repeat) and I am
in the middle of the 3rd administration (10th day). I have done 50% WC in
between each. The treatment appeared to be working as the glowlights had lost
all of their white spots.
<<Glad to hear this. Nice description of your regimen, by the way.>>
Yesterday evening I noticed one of my Neons with ich spots on its tailfin and
body. Is it normal for the ich to re-emerge during treatment?
<<Not necessarily “normal” but certainly possible. Difficult to determine the
resistance the parasites may have to the medication particularly at partial
dosages.>>
Should I increase the dosage strength to 100% doses?
<<I wouldn’t do this unless the problem looks like it’s getting the better of
you and the fish. As I alluded to earlier, your Neons prefer water that’s
soft/acidic. Their preferred pH levels top out at about 7.0 which means your
water is much higher in pH than they really like. This alone can contribute to
diminished resistance to infestations such as Ich. Since medications also lead
to stress, the least effective dosage that you can treat at will be far better
in the long run.>>
Should I just continue my treatment until no spots are left?
<<Yes.>>
Should I change medication to something like Quick Cure with Malachite
Green/Formaldehyde?
<<Not unless the API medication just doesn’t do the job for you. The Malachite
Green is highly effective but isn’t without problems of its own. Highly toxic
and has been described as a potential carcinogen. Not a treatment protocol to
take lightly.>>
Besides the ich, the fish seem healthy, they are active and eat well.
<<Very good signs, Evan.>>
Thank you for your help.
-Evan
<<Happy to be of assistance to you. Good luck to you. Tom>>
Re: Ceramic media, air pumps... Actually
Neon Tetra... dis., repro. – 09/13/07
Hello Neale,
<Hello Giuseppe,>
as you know I have 2 adult neons in my tank. One of them has a larger abdomen
compared to the other one, so I assume I have a male and a female.
<Indeed. According to Baensch, the difference is also seen in the shape of the
blue line: on males it is straight, on females it is bent. But I can't see any
difference!>
Now, I noticed that every 6-8 weeks the female becomes even larger and tends to
eat much less and spend most of the day in a quiet spot of the tank. This
situation lasts for about 10-15 days, after which her abdomen goes back to
normal and she starts eating normally.
<Odd.>
Do you think that she might have eggs during the time she's more swollen and
doesn't eat much?
<Sounds plausible enough. Do keep an eye out for Neon Tetra Disease though: key
symptoms are shyness, loss of appetite, and loss of colour. Then they die! NTD
is unfortunately very common.>
If this is the case I would be very fascinated in trying to breed the two neons.
I read that it's pretty challenging, but that experience would be extremely
exciting for me, considering also that neon tetra is one of my favorite fish.
<I'm not sure it's "difficult" per se, since these fish are bred in their
millions on fish farms. The problem for most aquarists is neons only breed in
very soft water. The other big mistake people make with neons is to keep them
too warm; while they aren't subtropical fish, 26C (79F) is the top of their
preferred thermal range, and for breeding they only want around 24C (75F). When
kept in hard, overly warm water they just won't spawn, or if they do, the eggs
become fungused.>
Do you also have any good web site where the breeding process for neons is
described in detail?
<Is there nothing here at WWM? Breeding neons follows the same basic pattern as
most other tetras. Soft (<2 dH), acidic water (5-6); low light levels (i.e., no
lights, lots of shade); little to no water movement; and benthic plants like
Java moss to catch the eggs. Sunlight can be a good spawning trigger. Eggs hatch
in one day, free swimming 3-4 days later, when they take Artemia nauplii and the
like. If you're interested in fish breeding, there's an excellent book by Chris
Andrews called 'Fish Breeding'. It's my bible for fish breeding. You can usually
pick up used copies on Amazon and the life for a dollar or two.>
Thank you,
Giuseppe
<Good luck, Neale>
Re: Ceramic media, air pumps... Actually
Neon Tetra... dis., repro. – 09/13/07
Neale,
<Giuseppe,>
I just bought that book. I was thinking about what you said about the water
conditions needed to breed neon tetras and I have a couple of questions:
1 - Currently the tank where they live has a temperature of 78F and PH at 7.0.
If I setup a second tank with lower temperature and acidic water, wouldn't the
neons have a shock when I move them from one tank to the other one?
<Small water temperature changes don't harm freshwater fish; indeed, they are
often important spawning triggers. If you're moving the fish from one tank to
another, then doing the normal thing of placing the fish in a bucket of "old"
water and dribbling in the "new" water over 30 minutes will not only adapt them
to the new water chemistry but the water temperature too. If you're taking the
fish across a dramatic water chemistry change, e.g., from hard water to very
soft water, you would probably be wise to fill the breeding tank with hard water
and then do soft water water changes of around 20% each day until the water
chemistry had changed over completely. Do also remember that very acidic water
doesn't support biological filtration. You will need a small air-powered box
filter filled with ammonia-remover for such a tank. There's a good argument for
not filtering the tank while the parents are actually spawning and when the eggs
are sitting in the moss. Only start the filter back up once the fry are free
swimming.>
2 - If the neons have to be kept in dark conditions but with plants in the tank,
wouldn't the plants die for lack of light?
<Yes, if you kept the lights off all the time. What you're aiming for is to put
the neons in the tank for a week, and once settled down, turn off the lights so
the tank only gets natural light, and once they've laid their eggs and the fry
are free swimming, turn the (subdued) lights back on. Regardless, the level of
lighting should be low, and the peat extract in the water will make it quite
murky. Java Moss will tolerate this regime fine. I have one tank that simply
receives natural light from a window and the Java Moss has gone wild. Baby fish
love the stuff, because it collects detritus and micro-organisms that they can
eat. There's obviously a balance between having a nice rich microflora and a
dirty tank though! Some people skip plants and use synthetic mops of various
types, home-made (boiled dark-coloured yarn, teased into threads and then
knotted) or purchased. There are really many options.>
3 - How long does it typically take from when the neons are moved to the
breeding tank to when they actually spawn?
<No idea, never done it myself. Typically fish take a few days to settle into a
spawning tank, but once there, if they're mature enough to breed, they will do
so almost at once. The key thing is conditioning the female: lots of live foods
so that she gets nice and fat.>
Thank you,
Giuseppe
<Cheers, Neale>
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