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FAQs on the Flowerhorn Cichlid Identification

Related Articles: Flowerhorn Cichlids, Cichlid Fishes

Related FAQs: Flowerhorns, Flowerhorn Behavior, Flowerhorn Compatibility, Flowerhorn Selection, Flowerhorn Systems, Flowerhorn Feeding, Flowerhorn Disease, Flowerhorn Reproduction, Cichlids, Dwarf South American Cichlids, African Cichlids, Angelfishes, Discus, Chromides, Neotropical Cichlids

FH Breed
Flowerhorn Types  3/9/08

HI Chuck, It's me again and thanks for the reply. I will check all the items that you have mentioned. Can you please scan the attachment so I have an idea what kind and variety or breed are my FHs. Thanks. Ciao, Lance
< Flowerhorns were originally a cross between three different cichlid species. Since the inception of the Flowerhorn they have been line bred into numerous color forms. I have seen book for sale on eBay that discussed these color morphs and have probably given them names. Sorry, I do not have this book so I am unable to tell you what color form you have. I would recommend checking out eBay occasionally and see if you can find this book.-Chuck>

Knowing the breed... FH ID, NNS
hello. this is john, am new to this FH hobby. and I have 3 months old FH and until now I still don't know what his breed and I browse in different sites for me to find what breed is my FH but I haven't found any the same FH as mine. I had attached picture of my FH.
I hope you can help me..tnx..=)
<The Flowerhorn is not a breed... but a cross twixt neotropical cichlids. Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/flowerhornidfaq.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>

Mystery Cichlid at Aquarama 01
Hi Bob
Do you still remember the new breed of cichlid with a hump head that was on show at the last Aquarama in Singapore?
<Yes, did send the pix in I shot at Aquarama last year to the hobby mag.s>
They have been well received and certain specimens with nice colours have been reportedly sold for as much as S$70,000. It is not advisable to walk around in certain parts of Malaysia holding them in plastic bags or you will be robbed at knife point.
<Thanks for the heads up. Can/will send you the piece (in German) re that cichlid... and my fave image as a jpeg if you'd like. Bob F.>
Perry

A dihybrid "new cichlid" out of the Far East... this pic shot a month back at the Aquarama show in Singapore... is likely (my guess) a Vieja (formerly Cichlasoma) maculicauda (Black Belt) and Cichlasoma trimaculatum cichlid cross... a beauty, but still a cross.                      Re: What is this "new cichlid"? Something bifasciatum? Not according to fishbase.org
Bob, This fish will sell well in Singapore or in a Buddhist country. The bump on the head resembles the forehead of one of the Buddhist Arhats by the name of Luo Han. Imagine owning a fish that reminds you of a Buddhist deity that you are worshipping. Will bring plenty of good luck and fortune.
Perry
<Thanks for this Perry. Will post with image on our sites. Bob Fenner>  Re: What is this "new cichlid"? 
Dear Bob,
our expert for American cichlids Uwe Werner wrote me, that he feels the cichlid
is not a natural form, but an Asian-bred form of Cichlasoma amphilophus. He says
that there is total red specimens too.
Here in Germany the sun is shining like in Southern California.
Take care
Werner
<Ah, danke shoen. Will post your input to this image on our site (www.WetWebMedia.com). More images, articles on their way to you at das Aquarium. Wiedersen. Bob Fenner>

Kirin (not the beer)
Hi! How is everyone this evening? Good I hope.
<Very well!>
I was just browsing the web for info on my new baby Texas Cichlids, and I came across a website dedicated to that new hybrid you have a pic of in the section on neo tropical cichlids. According to the info on the site, it's a Kirin. And yes, it is a hybrid. It's a Cyanoguttatum or Carpinte and Trimaculatus cross. It's supposed to bring prosperity with it's bump head, good fortune with it's jeweled speckles symbolizing wealth, and scare away evil spirits with its red eyes. The website address is www.kirin.com.sg/species.html
Just what the world needs, another cichlid hybrid from the far east.
At least it's not as hideously ugly as the parrot fish. SMILE). I have a parrotfish myself, and I love his funny looking little face. Goodnight, Kristen:)
<Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are some truly striking looking fish on that webpage, though. -Steven Pro>

Monster fish by Arlina Arshad 
IF YOU think luohan fish are ugly, just look at this specimen with its Mick Jager lips and ball-like body. Probably the result of breeding gone wrong, say marine biologists and those who rear fish. Enthusiasts have been breeding them, then dumping the 'mistakes' in ponds and rivers. Two breeders and three other people who rear fish admitted they'd done this. The Sunday Times also spoke to fishermen who have spotted sick and dead luohan, four aquarium owners, two marine biologists, and officials from agencies that have to deal with this problem. Two luohan breeders said they sought to breed exotic-looking luohan, with blue or white eyes instead of red, or all-blue or all-red bodies instead of the usual red-green-black. When the experiments went awry, they had to get rid of these mutants with 'elephant-trunk lips' and 'monkey faces'. Neither would agree to be named, fearing flak from fish lovers and repercussions from the authorities. Said one breeder: 'Some fish had bloated bodies and no humps on the heads; others were skinny and had no fins. What do you expect me to do with them?' The other one said: 'At least I release them in the water, not like some I know who flush them down toilet bowls!' Abandoning fish is an offence under the Birds and Animals Act, punishable by a $10,000 fine and 12 months' jail. 'This is an act of cruelty,' said Dr Leow Su Hua, head of the Agri-Food and Veterinary Authority of Singapore's animal welfare education. Dumping luohan into public ponds can also turn the ponds' ecology upside down, because they are aggressive and breed quickly. Said Professor Chou Loke Ming of the National University of Singapore's department of biological sciences: 'They may outcompete for food with local species and take over ponds and rivers.' The National Parks Board (NParks) and Public Utilities Board have found reptiles and non-native fish in ponds, lakes and reservoirs. Said an NParks spokesman: 'The released fish may not survive. They could carry disease and this would affect the native animals in the ponds.' Luohan fish, also known as Flowerhorns, are believed to be descended from wild cichlids. A year or two ago, they were all the rage because people thought they brought good luck. High-quality ones, characterized by red eyes and large humps on their heads, went for as much as $8,000. But now, they are no longer hot. One breeder said he'd released about 100 into Tengeh and Punggol rivers in the last three years. He said: 'Some had holes in their heads and others had eyes popping out of their sockets.' 'One had a diseased mouth and rotting lips like this,' he said, turning his lips inside out. 'I couldn't save it; it was too sick.' Aquarium owners also say people leave buckets of luohan at their doors in the dead of the night. Madam Shirley Lim, owner of aquarium shop Yun Feng in Pasir Ris, said she would receive 'fish mail' three times a month. 'Nobody wants them any more. They're being chucked into dustbins like those unwanted babies in China. I could sell one at $4,000 last time, but now if I can sell one for $20, I'm very lucky,' she said. IP Address:202.156.2.202
This message was forwarded to you from Straits Times Interactive (http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg

Flowerhorns
WWM,
I want to how to distinguish the sex of the Flowerhorn,
<The males will develop a larger hump on their foreheads, I would not be surprised if you could the difference by their finnage, or even venting them, but I am not positive.>
and how to cure white spots  and discoloration of the fish.
<If by white spots you mean Ich, your fish are sick, sick fish are not going to display good coloration.  I used Quick Cure on my Horns, seemed to do the job (primarily formaldehyde with a dash of malachite green).  IME I have never seen a fish with the healing abilities of a Flowerhorn, I had one get sucked up into a filter for an unknown amount of time, I got him out, thought he was doomed, the next day I could not tell which was the damaged one.  Once you get the parasites cleared up, color enhancing food, a varied diet, excellent water quality (I cannot stress that point enough), good lighting and a dark substrate should bring out their colors.  If you have a group of these fish in a tank you need to watch out for aggression, these are very aggressive fish.>
And what is latest Breed of Flowerhorns.
<Not sure on this one, it seems like the LFS are always making up new names and overcharging for these fish.  Check out FlowerFish.com  Best of luck, Gage>
Thank you very much....
Very Truly Yours,
Leugim

Flowerhorn Cichlids
WWM,
Hi! I am a new hobbyist of cichlids. Will you help me for I am in need of new breeds of Flowerhorn for my collections.
< The Flowerhorn cichlid is an artificial fish that does not exist in the wild. It is a cross between a couple different fish that happens to produce fertile fry. They were somewhat marketable for a few years but the market seems to be dropping fast, at least hear on the west coast. The new breeds or color forms you may be seeking may not still be available. I would recommend a web site called Aquabid.com. It is a web site dedicated to buying and selling all kinds of fish. Hopefully you can find what you are looking for there.>
What does LFS  mean?
<Sorry don't know. I don't keep flower horns and am not familiar with the LFS notation.><<Livestock Fish Store, or such>>
can you give me at least 5 new breeds of Flowerhorn fish?
< Check the site mentioned above or do a google search on the internet for more info. I have seen one book put out on these fish but don't know how available it is -Chuck>
Sincerely Yours,
Leugim

Super Red Syn Flowerhorns
Dear Mr. Robert,
<Hi, Gage here this afternoon.>
Can you send me a detailed information regarding Super Red Syn
Flowerhorns? Appreciate also if you can send some pics.
<I checked with Bob and a few others on the crew, we really do not have much information on these fish besides what is at the link below.  
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/flowerhorns.htm
I would try using the Google.com to search for more information on this particular color strain.>
Thank you for your assistance.
Fatima Valle  

Flowerhorn of a Different Color  9/3/05
Hello WWM team, Chuck, Thanks for answering my previous questions about Flowerhorns. I have another. Can you tell me, or make a list of the major types of Flowerhorns?
< Nope , sorry. Flowerhorns are a hybrid between three different cichlid species. These different names are nothing more than labels used to group similar Flowerhorns together. There is a book entirely on flower horns that I have seen on eBay. I would recommend that you check it out for further info on these particular fish. My area of interest involves wild types of fish.>
I know there is Zhao Zen, full red or something...
I have a Flowerhorn (ill try to get a pic of it, no camera..) and am not
even sure what kind it is... its whole body is dark army green when its
relaxed, but startled it turns striped, army green with light green, it only
has couple of flowers very small... if possible from my brief description do
you know what it might be? Thank You Very Much Rod
< Colors can be very deceiving. Many cichlid coloration can be modified by using different foods or aquarium lighting.-Chuck>

Flowerhorn Questions   1/14/06
Hi there, I've been reading through your site and it is really informative about FH
I have couple of questions though about my FH
1.) All orange in color with darker tint at the head part, what kind of breed is this?
< Flowerhorns are a cross between three different cichlids. One of them is a red devil. This fish comes in white, orange, red and grey. Your fish could be a combination of any of these colors. You will need to consult a specific FH book for an exact breed.>
2.)It has some spots of black at the fins and body but not like the flower rows on red dragons, the previous owner said that when the FH matures it will turn to all orange with some red on the head part, is this true?
< Could be. It all depends on the genetic lottery your fish has come up with. The colors may change as it grows. To what color ? You will have to grow him up and find out.>
3.)Also he hasn't been eating lately how can I  tell if he is sick?
< Don't feed him for three days. If he is not hungry after three days he is probably sick with an internal bacterial infection. Do a 50% water change, clean the filter and vacuum the gravel. Treat him with Metronidazole as per the directions on the package.-Chuck>
I would really appreciate your fast reply. Thank you

Flowerhorn Cichlid With Black Markings   2/1/06
Hi there, this is a GREAT website you all have!  Looks like a ton of great info here.  My tank is 100 gallons, I stay on top of water maintenance with 40% water changes weekly, ammonia = 0, nitrites = 0, nitrates = 10.  Ph is at 7.7.  I recently bought a Flower Horn, everything was normal for about the first week.  Then I started noticing these black areas that seemed under the skin, not on top or bulging.  Almost like bruises.  They also appeared on the fins, but smaller.  The spots on the body are getting larger.  I should add that the fishes feces is really light in color, but not "stringy" at all.  The FH acts normal, has no problem swimming, being active, or eating.  I have searched high and low for answers, but I get all different replies and suggestions.  I've treated the tank with Jungle's "Fungus Cure", but no changes.  I then treated with Melafix, same, no changes.  Here is a couple links to some pics of the fish, do you think it is sick?  Or is this just a normal phase of color change before the true colors come out?  Any info on this is highly appreciated.  Thank you!
< A Flowerhorn is a cross between three different species of cichlid. From your photos It seems to look more like a generic trait than a disease.-Chuck>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/djfungus/ProgressedBlackPatch.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/djfungus/BlackSpots2.jpg
 

 

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