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FAQs on the Livebearing Toothed Carps, Poeciliid
Fishes Reproduction Related Articles:
Poeciliid Fishes, Livebearing Freshwater
Fishes,
Related FAQs: Poeciliids 1,
Poeciliids 2,
Guppies, Platies,
Swordtails, Mollies, Livebearer
Identification, Livebearer Behavior,
Livebearer Compatibility,
Livebearer Selection,
Livebearer Systems,
Livebearer Feeding,
Livebearer Disease,
Male Xanthistic (note dark eye... not an albino) Sailfin
Molly
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Breeding livebearers
What is the difference between Mollies and Platys?
11/8/2009
<Well, there are at least five species of Molly (Poecilia spp.) in the
trade, and at least two species of Platy (Xiphophorus spp.) so this is a
bit difficult to answer comprehensively. But generally, Mollies are
bigger, more streamlined in shape, prefer warmer water (26-30 C), and
generally need to be kept in slightly brackish water (preferable marine
salt mix, at least 3-6 grammes/litre). Mollies need very hard, basic
water (pH 7.5-8, 15+ degrees dH). Mollies are adapted to feeding on
algae, and have distinctive jaws used for rasping algae from solid
surfaces. They also have adaptations that allow to live in swampy
conditions by breathing the very top layer of water, the bit with the
most oxygen, which looks somewhat like air breathing in gouramis (though
it isn't). Male Mollies use their dorsal fins for display, and some
species have greatly enlarged ("sailfin") dorsals. Platies are usually
smaller, have a dumpy or rhomboid body shape, and need cooler water
(22-25 C). They do not need to have salt added to the water, though like
Mollies, hard, basic water is essential (pH 7.5, 10+ degrees dH).>
My local fish store has them mixed in one tank and they titled it as
mixed one week after I bought what I thought were mollies!
<How odd.>
can you tell me what I can look for and what the difference is between
recognizing the stages of pregnancy?
<You really can't tell the stages of pregnancy. Contrary to popular
belief, the "gravid spot" only applies to small livebearers, such as
Guppies and Mosquitofish, and even then, is easily misunderstood,
especially where colourful forms of the fish are being kept. So, assume
any female kept with a male (of its own species, or at least genus) is
pregnant. Keep the female in a quiet tank away from the males, and
install lots of floating plants, such as Indian Ferns. DO NOT use a
breeding trap or net, as these stress livebearers, especially the bigger
species, resulting in miscarriages. An 8-10 gallon tank is ample for 1-3
female Mollies or Platies. After about 4 weeks, the fry will emerge, and
you'll find them at the surface hiding among the floating plants. Now
you can net them out, put them in a breeding trap or net, and rear them
in there until they're big enough to keep with the adults (takes about
3-4 weeks). Ideally, keep the female in the breeding tank, apart from
the male for a week or two so she can fatten up.
Males are notorious at harassing the females, and you'll get bigger,
healthier broods if your females are in good condition each time they
mate with the males.>
I originally bought 1 male and 4 females to try my hand at molly
breeding <Good luck. Much written at WWM about this topic. Cheers,
Neale.>
Neglected 55gal aquarium
Hello,
<Hi,>
We had someone looking after our 55 gal aquarium for the winter. It
contained 8 Glo-light tetras, 4 Corys, 6 female guppies, 3 pairs of
swordtails. The aquarium was probably too well stocked with cover for
the fry (plastic plants). Needless to say, the aquarium was extremely
neglected and when we returned not only was there an inch of waste on
the gravel, there were two Glo-lights, 2 Corys, 3 adult pairs of
swordtails (one male not original) and a multitude of fry of various
ages (I'm sure well over 150). In addition, the ten male guppies (which
we had in a separate 20gal) had been added as their tank started
"leaking" (the filter had clogged!) - so there are numerous guppy fry in
the mix now too.
<OK.>
Surprisingly, none of the fish looked sick, all were active though we
did find a couple of swordtails fry dead on the bottom under the muck!
<After a crisis, you do see fish populations dying back to the level the
tank now supports, with the more delicate species dying first, as with
the tetras and catfish.>
We immediately started vacuuming the tank, doing water changes etc, etc.
Ammonia levels and nitrate levels quickly (I was surprised how quickly)
read zero - even though we continue to vacuum lots out of the gravel.
But we still have this overpopulation problem.
<I see...>
We have gotten the 20 gal back in almost working order. We checked the
tank for leaks, found none; rinsed some of the gravel (it stunk), added
some gravel from the 55gal, added some water from the 55gal, filled up[
with fresh water. Initial ammonia and nitrate levels were 2.0 mg/L and
50mg/L respectively. The last reading today was ammonia 0mg/L, nitrate
0mg/L. We will try to find a nitrite kit tomorrow to make sure every
thing is in order before adding fish.
<Cool.>
What is the best thing to do with all these fish? The local pet store
doesn't want the fry and the owner is not very knowledgeable. Is there a
predator who might help control the livebearer population?
<Most anything carnivorous will do the trick: Angelfish, African
Butterflyfish, Aplocheilus spp. killifish, Glassfish all spring to mind.
Does depend on how hungry such fish are; Angels eat fry when they can,
but they're pretty inept predators and would just as soon take easier
foods like flake. African Butterflies and Asian Killifish on the other
hand view fry as prime foods, and will eat them in preference to flake.>
We have read that angelfish like guppy fry, so we were thinking of one
angelfish and the guppies in the 20 gal. - then we'd keep the males and
females together. In the 55, keep the swordtails, Corys (maybe get a few
more) and... more Glo-lights to make a school? a predator who likes
swordtail fry but not adults? Keep the all livebearers in one tank and
buy a fish who likes live food in the 20gal and feed him/her the fry?
<Sure, if water chemistry is acceptable; a school of Glassfish for
example will chow down on any livebearers they can find, and being
tolerant of brackish water, are ideal for use in systems where salt is
used.>
Remove a lot of the plants so the fry cannot hide as well (or is that a
no-brainer?).
<That would certainly make a difference.>
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Neglected 55gal aquarium 05/23/09
Thanks for getting back to me. I don't think our local pet store stocks
much exotic stuff, but the Asian Killifish sure do look like "some
fish"!
Mike
<Most any pet store should be able to get "Golden Wonder" killifish, a
variety of Aplocheilus lineatus noted for very bright colours; besides
being long-lived and adaptable, this species is super-predatory! Cheers,
Neale.>
Re: 'Linia' (Livebearers; Limia nigrofasciata), sys./repro.
Dear Neale
<Hello Emma,>
Sorry to bug you again, can I pick your brains on your breeding
setup for the Limas as you are having such success with them.
<By all means, but there's no great secret! My tank for the adults
is a Brillux 60 Complete Aquarium, with 72 litres of water (about 19
US gallons). It's thickly planted with Hygrophila, Vallisneria,
Anubias,
Cryptocoryne and various floating plants. The top is really thick
with plant leaves and the roots of floating plants. Otherwise,
there's nothing very special about the system. It's 50/50 rainwater
and tap water, for a
hardness around 10 degrees dH and a pH of about 7.5. Normal
filtration and temperature. The tankmates are peaceful catfish and
gobies, though I have added a Glassfish now to try and eat some of
the baby fish (yes, I know, mean).>
I've got them setup in a book/Google recommended tank just wondered
if you had any personal tips that I might have missed. I have to
admit I've added two more females but its a reasonable sized tank
and looked a little lonely with just the pair in there .
<Ah, I did start with one male, three females. And I didn't get any
fry at all when they lived with halfbeaks, who I suspect will eat
the fry given the chance.>
Hope alls well with you
<It is indeed.>
Regards
Emma
<Good luck, Neale.>
Re: 'Linia' (Livebearers; Limia nigrofasciata) 4/26/09
Dear Neale
<Emma,>
May thanks once again, just to let you know the good news I discovered
five baby Limia in the tank last night one only mm's from a very
uninterested females nose so rather chuffed this morning!!
<Hurrah!>
Two more females look ready to pop so awaiting the arrivals eagerly.
<Sounds like you'll soon have lots of lovely baby Limia to look after.
They're quite easy to rear, though as always with livebearers, remember
to give them lots of small meals across the day, and if you have to
ignore them for a few days, leave a sliver of cucumber or something for
them to nibble on.>
Hope your weekends fab
<Has been so far...>
Best regards
Emma
<Good luck, Neale.>
Aquarium (plant and fish repro; how to reduce the numbers of
fry, plants) – 04/22/09
Hello again, Neale,
You helped me so much before, and I hope you can help me again.
<Will try.>
I have a 240-liter aquarium, and everything is going well. Too well,
for that matter. When I first got the aquarium and didn’t know what
I was doing, I had a problem with fish and plants dying. Now that I
know a little more about how to take care of them, the fish are
reproducing like rabbits and the plants are taking over the
aquarium.
<A-ha! Yes, this is what should be happening. In the case of the
plants, all the plants you cut out and dispose of are removing
nitrate and phosphate from the water. You are literally watching the
plants help clean your tank! As for the fish, like most animals, if
they're happy and healthy, they'll breed!>
I have friends who said that they would be glad to take the excess
fish and plants. However, how can I control the excess growth (both
fish and plants)?
<There's no advantage to slowing plant growth; simply cut back the
excess, aggressively if needs be, and dump the waste on the compost
heap. Fast growing plants tends to mean no algae problems; rein back
the plants any, and the algae often picks up the slack. As for fish,
judicious use of predators can make the difference. Angelfish for
example are remarkably good at eating livebearer fry, as are African
Butterflyfish and Asian Killifish (Aplocheilus spp.). Turning down
the temperature to the lower end of the preferred range for a
species will tend to cool their ardour, and stretch out the
gestation period of livebearers.>
What am I doing wrong?
<Nothing.>
Any advice you can give me will be very much appreciated.
Susanne
<Cheers, Neale.>
Can a Mickey mouse platy mate with a
guppy? 3/10/09
<They can "mate" in the same way donkeys and horses can, but the female will not
become pregnant.>
I have one Mickey mouse platy in my tank and three female guppies and I did have
two male guppies that have died. I have a rather large fry that survived and is
thriving but the bigger they get they look more like the
Mickey mouse platy than there guppy parents (orange female and a blue tuxedo
guppy). There are nine total and they have the black tail which I initially
thought was blue but now the also have black dorsal and anal fins?
I am confused can you help???
Meredith
<Definitely NOT platy/guppy hybrids. As the fish mature, you'll see which ones
are Poecilia and which Xiphophorus, and all will be revealed! Cheers, Neale.>
Dead fry, what's the cause? – 2/21/09
Hi
again, For some unapparent reason i lost my baby platy i had 3 platys not 3
guppies. I went out at 11:30 this morning when i got back at 5:30pm i went up to
give them their second feed and found it dead and decaying, in
that day
something had killed it, but it was with my baby guppy in the breeding box they
were the only 2 in there they got on well they had the whole breeding box to
them selves they were still tiny so i didn't want to risk letting them into the
big tank yet as i know adult fish eat any babies in the tank. What could have
happened? I was treating my tank with Myxazin and yeah it said when using a lot
to remove fry, but i wasn't using a lot i don't have to use it at all now cause
my male mollies eye is better please answer my question. Thanks, Alishia.
<Almost always, baby fish die because of either [a] starvation; or [b] poor
water quality. Don't rely too heavily breeding traps or nets; while they sound
good in theory, you can really only put a few fry in them before they
become
overloaded. Water circulation through such traps/nets can be poor, and if the
water overheats or goes stale, the baby fish will die. Why were you using
Myxazin? It's an anti-Finrot medication, and if you have Finrot, you have water
quality issues. So grab a nitrite and a pH test kit, find out what's the matter
with your tank, and work from there. Once you have those numbers, get back in
touch and we'll help some more. Do remember Mollies and Guppies have very
specific requirements, and indeed Mollies are much better kept in brackish
rather than freshwater conditions. Guppies and Platies won't mind a little salt,
so by all means grab a box of marine salt mix (e.g., Instant Ocean) and add to
each new bucket of water at a dose of 3 grammes per litre. Marine salt mix (as
opposed to "aquarium salt") will buffer the pH and raise the hardness as well as
salinity, and your livebearers will be MUCH healthier. Good luck, Neale.>
Ok now im getting annoyed.
Re: Dead fry, what's the cause?
2/21/09
Hi again, I am seriously getting annoyed because my aqua
center has told me right and wrong of what to do with my aquaria and Myxazin
treats: Fin and body rot, Ulcers, cloudy/pop eye and other bacterial infections
<Yep. Myxazin will treat those diseases, though not always successfully.
It's a typical antibacterial; reliable when the disease is caught early on, but
less reliable if the diseases is advanced, in which case an antibiotic will work
better.>
and i looked at the bottle to say all this to you, my water quality
is fine so that tells you.
<Tells me what? Define "fine". For baby
livebearers, it's 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, less than 50 mg/l nitrate, pH 7.5, and
moderate to high levels of hardness. In the case of Mollies, the addition of
marine salt mix to the water at 6 g/l makes a huge improvement.>
NO thanks
for the wrong advice again, Alishia
<No thanks to who? If you're
dissatisfied with what I'm telling you, then please, carry on talking with your
retailer and buying whatever the heck he (or she) recommends. I couldn't care
less. All I am telling you that when fry die, it's usually either starvation or
poor water quality, so those are the issues I'd be worrying about before all
others. If your fish are sick, then there's a reason. It's up to you to find out
what. Randomly adding medications hoping for the best isn't going to work.
Cheers, Neale.>
What's your opinion on where to put pregnant live bearers?
2/5/09
Hi there!
What a fantastic site! I've spent the last 8
hours, (literally!) reading, with fascination, about the many live bearers out
there!
<We're glad to be here to help.>
First up, I'm in the UK, so I work
in litres, and daren't get the UK/US gallons conversion wrong, so I'll just talk
litres with you!
<Prefer metric, so fire away.>
I have a 60l tank that
houses 32 fish, (including a whole load of tetras so please don't tell me off
about size/gallons etc!),
<Hmm... just because you ask us not to point out a
problem, doesn't make the problem go away!>
plus the following live bearers -
Guppies 2F (pregnant!) 3M, Platies, 2F, 2M (I've had one 'pair' for about 6
months, with nothing, but the other pair are a recent purchase, so here's
hoping...), Balloon Mollies - 2F (never had anything from them in 6 months),
Dalmatian Mollies - 1F (who I suspect is pregnant, though her partner passed on
a day or two ago), Swordtails - 1 pair and their daughter (and I think Mum is
pregnant again!)!
<Ok, that is a lot of fish for 60 litres. There's really no
getting around that. So you do need to be careful with water quality and water
chemistry stability. I don't tend to recommend mixing livebearers with tetras
because (at least some) livebearers do best with a bit of marine salt mix added
to the water. Just a bit, 3-5 grammes per litre, but while that helps the
livebearers, tetras won't appreciate it at all. It's worth mentioning at this
point that marine salt mix isn't the same thing as "tonic salt" or "aquarium
salt", neither of which help that much.>
I used to have 14 fish in a 25l
tank, where there were at least 2 lots of births from the swordtails, of which
we only ever saw the one baby, who's coming on very well now, and is almost 2
months old!
I bought the larger tank a month or so back, because I can't bear
the idea of live food, and babies being eaten, so I have reset up the 25l tank
with gravel, couple of snails, some plants etc, thinking that when my lovely
girls get fatly pregnant, it would be a good place to put them.
<Would
recommend putting a single female at a time in here, and only for the minimum
time. Move her using a jar, not a net, so you don't squeeze her belly (that
would cause a miscarriage). The ideal thing is actually to leave females where
they are, but install lots of floating plants. The fry congregate there, and if
you're reasonably attentive, and the tank isn't filled with predatory fish, you
can scoop the fry out and move them to the breeding tank. I find that fry often
appear overnight, so check the floating plants first thing in the morning as
well as during the day.>
Is this really the best thing to do?
<Best?
Perhaps not. But viable. Do make sure the filter in the 25-litre tank is fully
matured, e.g., by putting some media from the 60-litre tank into it. Keep it
clean, and do lots of water changes. Feed 4-6 times per day, but in small
amounts. Segregate fry as they mature, because bigger ones *will* steal food
from the smaller ones.>
Having read over the past 4 years worth of questions
on your site, there seem to be those in favour of letting nature take its course
(my plants aren't really big enough yet, not many hiding places), putting in a
breeding trap/net, or removing the mother into another tank, letting her have
her fry and then putting her back in the original tank.
<Breeding nets/traps shouldn't be used for anything bigger than a female guppy,
period.>
The reason I ask is because I wasn't expecting to have 4 pregnant
females at the same time, and that might be too many, plus babies, in a 25l tank
- carnage....
<Save the fry you can. Don't lose sleep over the ones you can't
save. Each livebearer has the potential to produce literally hundreds and
hundreds of fry per year, and with just a 25-litre tank at your disposal, there
is NO WAY you can rear them all.>
For reference - in the tank, in addition to
the above, are a dozen or so tetras, a couple of catfish, 2 zebra Danios (a male
and female, given their sizes) and a couple of small barbs.
<Well, most
tetras and barbs will eat fry given the chance, and the Danios certainly will>
I do hope you can help me with some suggestions/thoughts to where I should place
the delivery suite...!
Regards, and thanks in advance!
Samantha
<Hope
this helps, Neale.>
Re: What's your opinion on where to put pregnant live bearers?
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply to me!
<Pleasure.>
Just
quickly, the only reason I mentioned the number of fish/litre ratio was that
I've had fish stores jump to the conclusion that I've crammed my tank full of
the 'larger' variety of fish, when in reality (after lots of research) my fish
are, in the majority, of the small tetra size! They are all very happy, very
lively, swim in mini shoals, and don't, in anyway, appear to be distressed. I
would be humane and pass them back to the stores if I felt that was the case.
<Cool.>
Anyway, I want to thank you for your advice, I'm watching the fish
very carefully, day and night, and have the smaller tank cycling nicely, with
water from the large tank, in readiness. I think I'm going to wait and watch. If
any of my mothers show signs of impending delivery, I'll move them if I can, but
otherwise, I'll just have to hope that I can catch any fry that survive.
<Good luck!>
My intention with the fry isn't to keep them all, I plan to
donate them to hospitals, surgeries, schools etc in the area (typically, my
sons' school doesn't have a tank anymore!), and onto any friends who want to
replenish their own stock.
<Sounds like a worthy plan.>
My Dalmatian Molly
isn't showing a gravid spot, but she is a pure white molly with black spots, and
is squaring round her belly, so I'm working on the theory (and hope!) that she
did get pregnant before her partner passed away.
<Oh dear.>
I do have one further question that I can't seem to find an answer
to.
<Fire away!>
My tank is fully lit, but when I go to bed, I turn off
the light. First thing in the morning, I turn the lights on again, and give the
fish about 10 minutes to 'wake up' and come out of their hiding places before I
feed them. I've noticed on a few occasions over the last week that when I first
turn the lights on, that on the 2 female guppies, their gravid spot is a
distinct pink colour, rather than the black that seems to evolve in the space of
about 10 minutes. After that, the black is on full display, all day, till, I
presume, after I've turned the lights off.
<Ah, many fish change colour at
night. It's quite normal. Fish "think" their colours. Humans are born the
colours they are, though luckily for the make-up and hair dye industry that
doesn't stop us wanting to change things. But fish are different: they have
colour-bearing cells in the skin that require nervous impulses to display
particular colours. While not usually chameleon-like in most cases (though some
fish are) most fish will change colours depending on age, sexual/social status,
background colours in their environment, and yes, time of the day.>
I've also
noticed that my neon and Glowlight tetras don't seem to be quite as 'neon' when
I first turn the light on, so I'm wondering if this is a pigmentation issue, or
something completely different!
<Again, precisely the same thing.>
Could
you shed any light on this for me at all?
<It's nothing to worry about, and
just a neat piece of natural history for you to observe.>
Many thanks again,
for your help.
Samantha
<Happy to help. Forgive my brevity; technically
I'm "out" doing other work Monday/Tuesday but wanted to reply to your message.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: What's your opinion on where to put pregnant live bearers?
2/12/09
Neale, again, another great thank you for your very
informative replies!
<Happy to help.>
We've got babies! I spotted 1 late
last night, nestling at the top of the tank, so whipped it out (in a glass) into
the spare tank. This morning, my husband spotted another, so we had that one out
too, then about 3 hours later, another 3 surfaced, so they were rescued, and
finally, at lunchtime, a 6th got spotted!
<Cool!>
Absolutely no idea who
the mother is, because they all still appear to be pregnant, including the
about-to-pop guppies....
Oh well, will wait and see as they develop!
<Indeed!>
Regards, and thanks again!
Sam
<Good luck rearing your
babies. Always great fun! Cheers, Neale.>
Re: What's your opinion on where to put pregnant live bearers?–
02/28/09
Afternoon All!
A quick update and a question!
Those 6
fish became 12, who are now 17 days old! Have determined that 6 are guppies,
still quite grey and transparent, but have elongated and are developing black
markings on their tails. The other 6, no idea! Pure white, shorter and squatter
than the guppies, so they could have come from anyone! On a technicality, my
balloon mollies are both females, one silver, one peach, but have been in my
tank for exactly 6 months, only a day or two ago, so could be them.... same
colour, but no pot belly...!
Anyway, as of today, I spotted my other guppy
girl nestling around some of my floating plants, not interested in food etc, so
I used a pint glass and gently transferred her to the 'nursery', where she has
produced 22 babies (so far) that are swimming nicely, shoaling etc. My question
is, she seemed to want to try and escape when I first put her in the tank,
swimming up and down and up and down the sides etc, but seemed happy enough to
drop the babies, started doing it again, had more babies, and has started doing
it again now. In fact, unless she's giving birth between, when I'm not looking,
and she's eating them (it's been 5 hours since she first went in), she's doing
it permanently.
Should I remove her back to the main tank
now/imminently/later tonight???
Thanks once again in advance, I was very
pleased to catch 2 drops on video, and have managed to take some brilliant
pictures of the babies, very very clear. Happy to pass them on if you think they
might be useful to other
WWM readers!
Sam
<Hello Sam. Molly babies
tend to be rather rotund compared with Guppies, so it's entirely possible you
have a mixture of both. As for when to move females from breeding traps, the
best answer is "ASAP"! If at all possible,
try and move any males away from
her, ideally to another tank. This will allow the female some time to feed and
relax before being turned into a baby factory again. By all means send along
some photos of your baby fish, and we'll post them on the daily FAQ page.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: What's your opinion on where to put pregnant live bearers?
Hi Neale!
I moved her in the afternoon, when the count of fry had sat at 25
for about 3 hours.
She wasn't in a trap though, she (and they!) were in a 25l
tank, with the other fish, and yup, looking at them more closely, I think the
other fry are mollies....!
Anyway, we have a count of 25 guppy babies, plus
the others, she'd already started having babies in the main tank, we rescued 1,
no idea how many others there were!
Attached 3 pics, including some of the
'older' babies with their blackening off tails too! The one with the shoal of
new fry are when they were literally only an hour or two old, some only about 20
minutes! Very newborns
Sam
<The babies loo happy and healthy. Welcome to
the most rewarding part of the fishkeeping hobby: fish breeding. This is, in my
opinion, an objective test of your skills since you have so many things to get
right. Sure, livebearers are at the easier end of the range, but still, there is
plenty to keep you busy as you maintain good water quality, offer them the right
foods, and generally ensure they grow at an optimal rate. Do try and offer them
some algae: it's really useful for livebearers, giving them something to nibble
on during the gaps between regular meals. Cheers, Neale.>
Marigold swordtail and guppy fry 10/7/08
I have a 30 gallon tank which is currently holding about 15 mixed guppy's and
marigold swordtail fry, then a 46 gallon tank in the basement with about 75
marigold swordtail fry. They are about 6 to 7 months old. Some of the guppies
look pregnant already, and the original tank which held the parents seem to have
yet another swordtail and guppy that are pregnant. I have them both in a
breeding cup. I have been extremely successful with swordtail births in the
breeding container before as well as the guppies. I originally started with
about 6 fish. I need to know if it's possible for the fry to be pregnant
already...how can I tell the swordtails apart male from female, and should the
siblings be separated? I have well over 100 fry living from the original 6
fish...HELP
Donna
<Donna, the short answer is you can't magically make the males stay away from
the females. As soon as they are sexually mature they will attempt to mate with
any females they have access to. The normal way to breed livebearers is this:
you remove the fertilised female to another tank where she can release her fry
safely. After she gives birth you put her back in the community tank. In the
meantime you watch the fry develop. After two months, and before three months,
the males will be sexually mature, so that is your deadline for observing them
and then removing them to a tank of just males. Eventually you will end up with
all the males in one tank, and all the (virgin) females in the other. If you
don't have two tanks for the juvenile fish, then use a tank divider to split the
tank into two halves, one for the males, and one for the females. Within 3-4
months, the fish should be big enough to sell or give to other hobbyists. Simple
as that. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: marigold swordtail and guppy fry – 10/07/08
I understand most of what you said but I am having trouble in the 46 gallon,
telling the males apart from the females.
<Pretty easy... look at the anal fin; on male livebearers, the anal fin is
tubular and bent over into a rod-like structure. Since the males start of with
triangular anal fins like the females when young, you can tell they're sexually
mature once their anal fins change shape.>
The original tank upstairs, has two males that have a long black straight sword
tail.
<Irrelevant to sex determination. While it's nice that male swordtails have big
tail fins, you absolutely cannot rely on this to sex them, because this
structure won't be obvious (if present at all) on young males.>
They have created all this!!!? I can't see this black sword on any of the males
in the basement. Not one of them show the black mark.
<Forget about it. Concentration on the anal fin.>
Could I have 70+ females?? They are over 6 months old, should I be able to tell
the males from females at this point???
<Yes; the males will have obviously modified anal fins.>
The guppies are separated in the dining room and some of the fry are already
pregnant but at least I can tell which ones are the males.
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Molly, Platy crosses... 8/30/08 9/17/08
Hi Neale,
<Jenna,>
Thanks for your reply to my original question about mollies and platies cross
breeding! I have finally motivated myself to get a few images of the fry I ask
about, though the lighting in here is terrible and good images are very hard to
get!
<Oh.>
I have attached a couple of images of the two lyretailed mollies I have (both
male and the only mollies in the tank) and the only 2 clear(ish) shots of the
fry that I managed to get. Also, here is a link to a YouTube clip of some of
them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plssSOrfvRI
<All look very healthy (and your cat sounded mighty interested, or hungry).>
The fry are growing well and the mothers are almost ready to drop the next
batch. Even though the fry have platy mothers with vivid red, white, blue/green,
black and white colourings, the fry have the yellow and black colouring of the
mollies.
<Interesting.>
So now how does it look? Do I have freak cross bred fishies or am I as horribly
confused about it as I feel?
<These look like regular Mollies. The complicated thing is this: both Mollies
and Platies can store batches of embryos, so you can move a female to another
tank without males, and then she produces fry some months later, the result of a
mating that might have happened anything up to six months later. It's also
difficult to sex some of the fancy livebearers because modifications to the anal
and pelvic fins obscure the basic anatomy. The fish in the photo labeled
"matydaddy2" for example might look like a male, but it's almost certainly a
female. The anal fin is large and triangular, though the two extended pelvic
fins could be mistake for the gonopodium. Consequently my assumption is that the
juvenile fish are her offspring. Mollies are sexed by looking at the anal fin:
on females it has the normal shape, on males it is crooked, and bent over into a
tubular structure that looks a bit like a stick.>
Thanks heaps,
Jenna
<Hope this helps, Neale.>
Living with expecting tank mates and other questions : Marbled
Mollies, Hi-Fin Tetras, Platys and a Loach 9/6/08
Hello, I am new to the site, and I have read many of the posts which have really
helped me get to know my new fish! I do however have a few questions in relation
to my personal situation. I have a 29 gal tank that housed multiple Goldfish
from March to July 08'. I kept my albino weather loach,(Golden Dojo) in the tank
as she is quite calm and gets along with anything. I have even kept her with
snails,(which they eat in the wild) and she never even nudged them!
<All
sounds nice.>
She also keeps my tank clean and I prefer her to an algae
eater,(catfish.)
<Agreed; a better combination for the coldwater tank.>
I
have a three-piece "Sunken Pirate Ship" which is rather large and provides
excellent hiding spots for the fish! In fact, the Dojo sleeps in the middle
portion of the ship every night. I also have one live plant which I am not sure
of its name. I purchased it as a dry bulb and it has grown in the tank which is
next to a window,(at least half of the tank gets sunlight everyday.) I also have
a rather large, fake, "plant" which I keep at the top of the tank, half in the
water. I have a water heater which is recommended for a 30-60gal tank, and it
seems to keep the water around 74-78 degrees.
<Slightly on the warm side for
both these species; scale back to 20 C/68 F and you'll be in the "sweet spot"
for Weather Loaches and Goldfish. At warmer temperatures, you're more likely to
cause/experience problems than otherwise.>
I also have one long bubble wand
in the back of the tank, and bubble "toys" at each front corner of the tank. The
Dojo likes to lay on the long wand and swim through the bubbles! I also have a
large double filter designed for a 30-60 gal tank, and a small single filter for
a 5-15 gal tank that I use to help get the tank clear after I clean the rocks
and cycle the water.
<All sounds great; where Goldfish are concerned,
"super-sizing" your filtration system is always a good move, and I'd argue
essential for long-term success.>
Anyway, now to my question. After I took
the Goldfish out of the tank, I let just the Dojo live in the tank for about two
weeks while I treated the water and cleaned the tank, cycling the water every
few days. We had an issue with a parasite in the water before and I wanted to
make sure everything was clean,(the Goldfish had a thick slime-coating all over,
and slight fin-rot.) I thoroughly cleaned my "Pirate Ship" and all of the toys,
rocks, plants and the tank itself before introducing new fish.
<Do understand
that excess slime production and Finrot are both symptoms of water quality or
water chemistry issues. They don't "come out of the blue" for no reason. So,
check the nitrite level, to ensure the water is clean, and check the pH, to make
sure it is stable around 7.5.>
My Dojo never had any signs of illness, but I
also treated the water with Melafix, Ick Cure and Salt even after I moved the
Goldfish, just to be sure.
<Well, Melafix is largely useless, and Ick Cure is
redundant and arguably dangerous when used randomly. Ick medications contain
copper, and copper is toxic to fish. We use them on the basis that the copper
dosage will kill the parasites before it kills the fish, but be under no
illusions that the copper is bad for the fish even so. Hence you should never
use medications unless you have an express reason to do so. Do always remove
carbon when using medications, otherwise they don't work reliably, if at all.>
Around two weeks ago, after all signs of the "slime" were gone or cleaned, I
decided to add a few fish in with the Dojo. I purchased 3 Black Mollies,(2
marbled females and one black male.) 2 Platys,(1 male and 1 female.) and 2
Hi-Fin Tetras,(not sure of the sexes.) I have been adding API Stress Coat to
ease them into their new environment, and I add API Aquarium Salt to ensure
healthy fish and water.
<Not a good combination for several reasons. Did you
read up on the requirements of these fish? Mollies must have very warm water,
26-28C/78-82F, preferably with salt added at a dose of 3-6 grammes per litre.
Such conditions will be too warm for the Weather Loach. The usual Hi-Fin Tetra
is a species called Gymnocorymbus ternetzi, a notorious fin-nipper. Mixing with
Platies and Mollies, which move quite slowly, is asking for trouble.>
I read
that all the fish in my aquarium like a little salt in their water, but not a
full marine environment.
<Tetras can't bear salt; they come from soft water
habitats, so adding salt to the water is stressing them. Mollies demand *marine
salt mix* not that "aquarium salt" guff retailers will try and push on you. This
"aquarium salt" is just table salt and doesn't raise the pH or hardness, so
won't help the Mollies much. Platies don't mind a little salt, and will be fine
at 3-6 g/litre. Loaches don't want salt, so again, they're being stressed in the
long term. Please realise adding salt in "teaspoon per gallon" doses has no
basis in science. It's something inexperienced aquarists get told about, and
because its cheap, they do it. But you will do a lot better skipping tonic salt
and concentrating on what water chemistry your fish actually need.>
Everything was going fine. I had wondered if the Dojo would get along with the
new fish, and she hasn't even looked in their direction so far. The new fish
don't seem to be scared or intimidated by her at all, so I think all is well
with their new tank-mate!
<Ok>
Here is where I need advice. Around the
1st of Sept. I noticed that the new females,(there are three, 2 marbled Mollies
and an Orange and black Platy.) All look swollen and pregnant! I had anticipated
this, but didn't realize it would happen so quickly! One of the Mollies likes to
lay her bulging belly on top of the heater!
<Dangerous: she can easily become burned doing this.>
The other Molly likes
to hide with the male in the big mass of plants on the top of the tank while the
Platy just hides in one of the Pirate ship sections and sticks with the male
when she's out eating and mingling. To my surprise, all the females actually
seem to take a dominant role !
<The female certainly isn't "hiding with the
male"! Be sure to think like a fish, not like a human. Mollies don't have pair
bonds. The male is staying with the female because he wants to mate with her.
He'll as soon eat her babies as anything else, so there's nothing nice going on
here.>
Anyway, I wanted to know what you would do in this situation. Should I
separate the females from the males now?
<If you want to rear the babies,
then yes, moving the females into another tank is a good idea. Scoop them with a
jar, not a net, so you don't press their bodies and damage the babies inside
them.>
Do the females also need to be separated from each other?
<No.>
I have another 29 gal.. tank, but it isn't set up and I don't even have a filter
for it yet! How long will it be before the fish give birth?
<Gestation period
is around 1 month.>
If I purchased a small 10gal tank and set it up, would it
be aged enough for the fry when they arrive?
<Yes.>
What about breeder
nets?
<Waste of money.>
Can all of the fry be kept together once they are
born?
<Yes.>
What do I need to feed the fry?
<Algae and finely powdered
flake food.>
Also, and most importantly, what can I do to make sure that the
Moms are comfortable, and live through the birthing process!
<She'll be fine.
Again, think outside the human experience. Fish don't have a pelvis like a
human, so there's no bones in the way of the birth canal. The babies slip right
out, no stress or discomfort. Mollies do miscarry when stressed, but that's
something else. Usually caused by males pestering them or by aquarists putting
them in nets or breeding traps.>
Do fish usually live or die during/after
birth?
<Your Mollies will fine, and looked after properly will have many
broods across their ~5 year life span.>
I have a 6yr old Son whom enjoys
helping me take care of the fish, and he'll be crushed if something happens to
the Moms! He is thrilled at the prospect of new baby fish right now, but I need
to prepare him for the death of the Moms if it is a common occurrence!
<It's
not. Mollies normally die because people put them in freshwater tanks with
freshwater fish. They get Finrot and Fungus. But breeding isn't an issue.>
At
the moment, I do not have any ph, nitrate, or ammonia levels for you as I have
never used the kits before. I hope you can give me some good ideas as I plan on
giving the fry every chance for survival!
<Please do read our articles on
Mollies and Livebearing fish generally:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/poeciliids.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollies.htm
Mollies can be kept in
freshwater rather than brackish water, but it's an uphill struggle because the
pH must be high (7.5-8.2), the hardness as high as practical, and the water
quality 100% perfect all the time. I'd honestly recommend setting up a brackish
water tank just for your Mollies. Fill with suitable floating plants and you
should be able to rescue at least some every month. Put the babies in a breeding
net for 6 weeks, at which point they'll be big enough to be turned loose in the
main tank.>
I thank you in advance because I think what you are doing for
these people/fish is a great thing. I remember how helpless I felt when I
started my first tank, and here I am again with my first "live bearers." Often
you feel as if you have nowhere to turn, and its hard to find people to help you
when you really need it! I had an issue with a Black Moore earlier in the year,
and my plea for help went unanswered on another site! The Black Moore died, and
I found out later that she just needed a few green peas to ease her digestion!
<Quite so.>
Fish, like so many creatures, cannot speak for themselves. It is
up to caring, responsible individuals to look after their needs and treat them
humanly! Personally, I think the traditional "round Gold-Fish bowl" should be
outlawed! I personally stopped a group of teenagers from buying one of these
"death traps" just last week!
<Well done!>
I commend you for your selfless
quest to help the fish of the world!
Anecia
<Very kind of you to say so.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Living with expecting tank mates and other questions : Marbled
Mollies, Hi-Fin Tetras, Platys and a Loach – 09/07/08
Hello Neale, and thank you for such a timely response! It is nice to know that
someone is there to help you when you feel helpless. As for my own experiences,
I have learned that it is better to avoid obvious mishaps when it comes to fish,
and I am going to take your advice and correct my mistakes!
<We are happy to
help.>
First of all, I cannot believe the pet store sold me these fish
knowing they needed different water needs,(fresh vs. marine!)
<Actually a
common mistake. Mollies can be kept in freshwater tanks (they certainly don't
need a marine tank). It's just they're not very hardy, and 50% of the time (no
kidding) they get sick. In brackish water, by contrast, they're practically
bullet proof. And in marine tanks, the same. It's a contentious and complicated
issue why this is, and whether or not they can be kept 100% healthily in
freshwater tanks. Some argue not (like me) others argue it is possible, provided
you obey the key rules (possibly true, but impractical for casual aquarists).>
From what I can see, my Loach and Hi-Fin Tetras need to be in a freshwater tank,
and the temp needs to be considerably cooler than the Mollie/Platy tank, right?
<Platies are fine in coolish water, around 22-24 C (that's 72-75 F) will suit
them well, and will work nicely with Weather Loaches. The Gymnocorymbus will be
fine in that too. It's a common mistake to keep South American tetras too warm;
Neons for example like quite cool conditions, and "burn out" if kept warmer than
25 C/77 F. It's really just the Mollies that don't like cool conditions. They're
very much "hothouse flowers" and thrive at balmy temperatures many other fish
don't care for so much.>
I went out and bought a 10 gal tank last night, and,
as I mentioned, I already have a single, 5-15gal filter, which I have already
been using for at least a few months. If I use this filter in the new 10gal
tank, will that prevent "new-tank" syndrome? How long should I wait before
moving the fish into the new tank?
<Moving a mature filter from one tank to
another, if done quickly (i.e., within 10-20 minutes of switching the power
on/off) works extremely well. However, the water chemistry between the tanks
should be the same; at an extreme, taking a filter from a saltwater tank and
connecting it to a freshwater aquarium won't work. Try also to minimise
temperature differences; doesn't need to be exactly the same, but keep the
difference to within a couple of degrees. You can also move filter media, taking
up to 50% from a mature filter and putting it into the new filter.>
The new
tank can go marine or freshwater right now.
<The marine tank? Do you mean a
saltwater tank with corals and whatnot, or a tank that's had a little salt added
but contains freshwater fish?>
I will definitely separate the loach and
tetras from the Mollies and Platys, but which should I move to the new tank?
<Mollies certainly need a 29 gallon tank minimum, and I'd not keep them in
anything less than a 20 gallon tank in the short term. They are sensitive to
water quality issues for a start, but they're also big, active, and by community
fish standards, quite aggressive (the males anyway).>
My 29gal tank was the
one that I put the "Aquarium Salt" in, but you said that it probably isn't
helping anyway, so I could easily revert back to freshwater.
<Absolutely.>
On the other hand, should I move the Loach and Tetras into the small tank, and
let the 29gal tank be the marine tank with the Mollies and their new fry? Your
call.
<I'm not wild about putting either Loaches or Tetras in tanks smaller
than 20 gallons to be honest, so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. For
now, I'd look at the size of the fish you have, and act accordingly, bearing in
mind some of these fish will grow and may need different quarters in the long
run.>
I bought a small heater for the 5-10 gal tank. Will this be adequate?
<Can't possibly tell from here! Depends on the temperature of your home for a
start. Try it out and see. If the heater is constantly on but the tank stays
cool, it's likely underpowered for the job.>
I was thinking it would be for
the Loach/Tetras since they do not need a very warm environment. From what I can
tell, the Tetras and Loach will be stressed will the salt, and I am afraid they
might take it out on the slow-moving Mollies, so I need to separate them soon!
<You may be fine with your Gymnocorymbus; some people report no problems with
them in community tanks. I'm just telling you what sometimes happens, so that
you're prepared.>
Also, I need to purchase the right kind of salt for the
Mollies. What should I ask my retailer for, and is it sold in some of the larger
retail stores,(IE: Wal-Mart, etc..) If the general aquarium salt I bought isn't
doing any good, then the Mollies need help right away!
<What you're after
(ideally) is the salt used in marine tanks. Many brands: Instant Ocean, Reef
Crystals, etc. They're all fine for this. Buy whichever is cheapest. All you
need do is add 3-6 grammes per litre of water (0.5-0.8 oz per US gal) in each
new bucket of water. Stir well, and when the salt has dissolved, pour it in. All
livebearers will tolerate this level of salt, so you can keep Guppies,
Swordtails, Platies and Mollies all happily in this as you wish. They will be
hardier and healthier.>
Also, thank you for clearing up any misconceptions I
might have had about Melafix, and Ick Cure. I won't use them again without
consulting a professional!
<It's not so much we're professionals, as we're
not trying to sell you anything -- and that's the difference. Some stuff is
essential in life, but other things... not so much. In the long run, it pays to
know what you need and when to use it.>
Again, some of these pet stores just
don't care what they sell!
<The operative word is "some". There are many
excellent pet stores, often the "mom and pop" places where the managers are
hobbyists themselves. But even so, it's like buying a car or a computer -- the
salesman will have an angle he's trying to push, and you need to have done your
research so you know which questions to ask and which sales ploys to avoid.
Spending $10 on a basic aquarium book is money VERY WELL SPENT. Bob and I have
put together a list of our favourites, here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/bookswwmsugg.htm
Have a nose around,
and see if your local library or bookstore has these volumes. If you click the
Amazon links, check to see if you can buy the book Used; that'll save you more
than a few pennies.>
Anyway, one of the two sets should be moved right away
to accommodate their needs,( either the 3Mollies/2Platys or the 2Tetras/1Loach.
) Please advise me as to what you would do in this situation!
<I'd keep the
Platies and Mollies together as a Livebearer system; you can become a
"specialist" with that tank and learn about them and breed them as you wish. Put
the other fish in the (slightly cool) tropical tank at 22-24C, and if you add
other fish, be sure that you check they'll be happy under such conditions. Many
fish -- such as Danios and Corydoras -- absolutely LOVE slightly cool
conditions. But there are a few, like Gouramis and Angels, that aren't so keen.>
I have noticed that the male Platy doesn't seem to like the Mollies very much.
Do these species live together well?
<Males of most livebearer species are
mutually aggressive. Keep the tank spacious and stock with floating plants
and/or tall plastic plants and they'll coexist up to a point. But this is why I
repeatedly make the point here and in magazines -- livebearers aren't "just add
water" easy fish! They are demanding in their way, and also very rewarding once
you get everything right.>
I have another 29gal tank, and I am planning on
setting it up soon. I might move the Platys into it, and let the Mollies and
their new fry have a tank all to themselves!
<Sounds great. But I'd honestly
put it to use as your main community tank, and leave the 10 gallon tank for
rearing baby fish and putting pregnant females in so they can rest-up away from
the males. Giving female fish restful quarters so they can give birth and/or
recuperate after laying eggs is a VERY GOOD THING and will get you serious time
off Purgatory!>
Also, you are right about the male Mollie pestering the
females. There is one female that he stays with all the time, and she gets
aggravated and makes him go away! Will he always pester her, or will things get
better when the fry mature? I suppose its better to have a lot of females and
only 1 or two males! Correct?
<Correct; 2 females to 1 male is the baseline,
but the more females the better. You'll soon have her daughters so I wouldn't go
buy a bunch of fish now, but one extra female might make all the difference.
When you're rearing your fry, sell on all the males and most of the females, but
keep a few of the girls for your "swarm" of Mollies so the mothers and daughters
can all hang out together.>
I hope everything works out for our new fish, and
I am going to do everything I can to make sure they are healthy and happy!
Again, thank you for taking the time to help me, I would never have known that I
wasn't giving the new fish all they needed to thrive!
Sincerely, Anecia
<Glad you're enjoying your hobby and learning all there is to know! Cheers,
Neale.>
Baby Fish, Livebearer Repro.
I have had 2 sets of platys, 2 guppies and 3 green swordtails. I have
been waiting forever for them to give birth. I know they get a black spot
and look like they are going to explode right before. My question is how
fast do they give birth? Do they all come out at once, or 1 every hr, etc.
The reason I ask is that I found 1 baby orange platy today. The mother still
has black inside, however it doesn't seem to be by her anal fin. Also, I
have put a few females in the breeding tank before, however they abort. Is
there any other 'Sign" to look for? I'm afraid to do it too soon. I believe
I read that platys, guppies etc. could be every 3-4 weeks.
Thanks
Kim
<Hi Kim. The "black spot" you mention is known as the Gravid Spot. It is
only reliably visible on Guppies and other small members of Poeciliidae;
larger species, like Platies and Swordtails, don't always show the spot.
That's because the spot is a colour patch but rather the developing embryos
pushing the uterus against the muscle wall of the abdomen. The bigger the
fish, the thicker the muscles, and the less visible the uterus becomes. So
forget about the gravid spot. Instead, concentrate on the shape of the
female. Prior to birth, she will be extremely rotund. In any case, as you've
learned, putting the female in a breeding trap doesn't work with anything
except the smallest species (e.g., Guppies). By far the best (and I'd argue
ONLY) way to get fry from mothers kept in community tanks is to add floating
plants. Indian Fern is ideal:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PlantedTksSubWebIndex/ceratopteris.htm
Simply check the tank every morning, and look for the babies among the
leaves! Simple as that. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Baby Fish 7/3/08
Thanks! I will definitely try the floating plants. 3 females that I have
are definitely round and look like they are ready to burst! That is why I
was wondering if the orange platy is possibly still giving birth since I
found 1 baby 2 days ago. How long does it usually take for all babies to be
born? 1-2 days, hours, weeks???
Thanks again!
Kim
<If you find one or two babies, and then nothing for days, then the chances
are all the others were eaten! Typically livebearers release their batches
of fry within a short period. In my experience, you look in the tank one
morning, and find all the babies swimming about among the plants! Cheers,
Neale.>
Platies, Guppies; repro
3/3/08
I have two male guppies and one female platy along with some other bottom
feeders, i just started a ten gallon tank so i only bought a few to let
the tank cycle. I am pretty sure that the platy is pregnant from the
store and the guppies like to chase it around the tank and bite at it's
fins. I has taken to hiding in the bottom corner but comes up to eat.
What should i do to relieve stress of the platy during the pregnancy. I
have an extra tank but no filter to add to it. I had planned on maybe
putting her in it for the babies to grow. If you could please reply back
at XXXX@yahoo.com that would be much appreciated.
thanks,
Cody
<Hello Cody. Two things: first make sure the aquarium is big enough for
these fish. A 10-gallon tank is too small; 20-gallons is the minimum.
When kept in small tanks livebearers can be nippy towards one another,
as you're learning. As for stress, the main thing is to remove the
males. They will fight constantly, and nothing you can do will stop
that. They will also eat any babies. Whatever you do, don't put her in a
"breeding trap" -- these are too small for adult fish; at best you can
put the babies in them. Adding some floating plants will also help the
female fish and give protection to the babies for long enough for you to
find, rescue them. Do read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/poeciliids.htm
Specifically the sections of guppies, platies and breeding.
Cheers, Neale.>
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Guppy and Molly Babies
2/8/08
Hi-
I recently bought fish (4 guppies and 2 mollies) and someone had babies. I have
been looking online for answers and I thought maybe you could help. I can't tell
if the mollies had babies or the guppies!!
~Fish Lover~
<You really can't tell when they're very small, though baby Mollies tend to be a
bit bigger and more dumpy-looking than newborn Guppies. Do remember that the fry
are at great risk of being eaten, so you'll want to add some floating plants to
give them shelter and a bit of safety. Breeding traps work up to a point, but
baby fish often don't do well in them, so I prefer to move newborn fish to a
small aquarium where they can be reared properly. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Guppy and Molly
Babies 2-9-08
Thank you. I do have floating plants in my aquarium. I am keeping
them with my other fish, though. None of them seem to be eaten or
bothered, and it is fine by me if there is only one still alive because
I don't know if my ten gallon tank can hold much more.
Thanks. ~fishlover~
<Happy to help. A 10-gallon tank is far too small for Mollies, and
realistically too small for Guppies, or at least, any group of Guppies
that includes a male. Male Guppies will harass each other and
unreceptive females in small tanks. As for the Mollies, unless you
adding salt (at about 6 g per litre) you will have real problems keeping
them healthy because they are so very sensitive to Nitrate. Do remember
"loving your fish" is less about cute names and more about providing
them with optimal living conditions. Animals don't give a rip whether
they're loved, but they do notice if they aren't cared for properly. So
do plan ahead, monitor water chemistry and water quality carefully, and
be prepared to make changes when (not if!) they are required. Here at
WWM we don't hand out advice just to be awkward, but to help. Cheers,
Neale.>
Re: Guppy and Molly
Babies
I went to PetCo to get the fish. The fish person said that that was
a good amount of fish. They are all very healthy.
~fishlover~
<Who ya gonna believe... someone who wants to sell as many fish as
possible, or someone who has been keeping fish for over 20 years and
makes his living writing for fish magazines and books? Seriously, a
10-gallon tank isn't big enough for Mollies, and will be a war zone if
you have more than one male Guppy in there. Sure, they're fine now. But
that might not last. Mollies usually need salted water to do well, which
Guppies don't mind, so add the marine salt mix and be done with it. A
mere 6 g/litre isn't going to cost you much. Feel free to read any
aquarium book about Mollies and Guppies, and you'll find much the same
advice I'm giving you here. I'm labouring the point only because you
sign yourself "fishlover" which kind of suggests that you actually care
about the well-being of your fish. If not, and you're happy to take the
risk of them fighting, damaging each other, getting stunted, poisoned by
nitrate, or whatever because they're just cheap little pets you bought
on a whim, that's your own choice. But perhaps a change of nickname
might be in order? Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Guppy and Molly
Babies
Ok, well I will do my best but....never mind. I don't have any male
guppies.
<Good stuff. Do remember that some of your baby fish are likely to be
males, so even if you just bought females from the pet store, three
months from now you'll have sexually mature males throwing their weight
around. So plan ahead. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Guppy and Molly
Babies 2-9-08
Thank you. I saw a black spot on some of the babies on their tails. Does
that mean that they are female?
<In a word, no. I suspect you are thinking of the famous (infamous)
"gravid spot", a dark region that appears around the back half of the
ventral surface of the abdomen of *some* female livebearers when they
are close to delivering their brood. It is a hopelessly unreliable
sexual characteristic even for telling if female fish are pregnant, so
in cases of limited RAM for storing useful fishkeeping facts, drag that
particular file to your brain's Trash icon and delete. Guppies (and most
other livebearers) are best sexed by looking at the anal fin; after a
couple of months it should be apparent that some of them have normal
fins (females) while others have modified, rod-shaped fins (males).
Cheers, Neale.> |
Platy and swordtail fry 2/7/07
Hi
<Hello>
I have two questions. One, is that I have 1 red platy fry and 3 swordtail fry.
All the rest of the fry squeezed themselves between the glass and rocks and
killed themselves. What were those fry thinking?!
<Mmm... trying to avoid predation?>
Second, I've had 2 red platies give birth in my comm. tank and I haven't seen
one single fry. Do you think that they all just got eaten after the first day?
thanks.
Sean
<Could be... do take a read on WWM re Poeciliid reproduction... Bob Fenner>
Livebearer birthing
clinic.... 1/15/08
Hello there,
<Hello.>
I have sought you out previously for advice and your team has been spot on.
About 8 months ago I purchased a few mollies (6) for my 60L tank and 7 Guppies
for my 30L tank, I managed to stabilise the water conditions and both fish
groups were kicking around very healthily - too healthily in fact.
<Oh?>
My Mollies have now multiplied from 6 Adults to 3 Adults, 30 juvenile and 30
baby (with more baby on the way), and the Guppies have gone from 7 Adults to 6
Adults, 10 Juvenile and about 40 baby.
<Well done.>
I have visited all the local pet shops and aquarist stores supporting Tropical
Fishkeeping, and all of them refuse to take Mollies due to their
incessant breeding and lack of 'factory controlled' conditions of life. I
advertised for a few weeks in the local paper to no avail, and I asked
around all the people I know - I managed to get one friend who was on the verge
of purchasing an aquarium (110L) when he read up on Mollies and decided to buy
some fish of his own (non-Mollie) instead of having free ones off me.
<Shame. Mollies are lovely fish!>
I started off as a pretty inexperienced Tropical Aquarist, but now I am
confident in my abilities and have been looking to other fish (for instance
Bichirs etc) however I only have space for the 2 tanks, and I am left with over
100 fish eventually.
<Yikes!>
It's getting close to critical point - 2 water changes a day in each tank, very
soon the nitro cycle will disappear and the bacteria will perish -
forcing the ammonia levels to skyrocket.
<Indeed.>
Any enough monologue, I have a few questions, if you don't mind...
<Go ahead...>
What options are left for my Guppies and Mollies?
<Try visiting online Fish Forums. There are many. Some have Buy/Sell sections,
where you can easily offload unwanted fish. If you have wildly multiplying
livebearers, one solution is to install a smallish predator. Seahorses, for
example, happily eat baby Mollies kept in marine aquaria, but even in a
fresh/brackish system, things like Glassfish and Halfbeaks and Sleeper Gobies
will chow down on fry.>
Say, I eventually managed to sort out the Guppy and Molly issue, would a
Bichir in the 60L be excessive by itself namely this one (
http://www.tropicalfish4u.co.uk/Fish/Freshwater/MiscFish/CuvierBichir ) ?
<60 litres is a bit small for Polypterus senegalus. That fish can comfortably
get to 25 cm in captivity, and while it isn't overly active, you still need to
respect the fact it's a fairly big fish. A 120 litre tank would be the minimum,
in my opinion.>
Also, I am considering upgrading my 2 aquariums to a single Marine Environment
and have a few questions - is it just the inclusion of the Protein skimmer and
high salt that is the difference between the 2 types of aquariums?
<Depends on where you're going with the marine tank. I've kept coldwater marines
in tanks that were basically nothing more than coldwater freshwater tanks but
with salt added to the water. This sort of approach is viable with hardy marines
that live in coastal habitats and don't really care much about water chemistry
fluctuation. But once you start with reef organisms, things get A LOT more
complicated, a LOT more quickly. Skimmers, UV, quarantine tanks, sumps,
high-output lights, Redox, all become part of the picture. These are things
that, for the most part, are optional or not necessary in freshwater tanks.>
- Does/Can Live Rock substitute Protein Skimmers?
<Nope. Do read some of the many EXCELLENT articles about the topic here at WWM
by the various marine gurus.>
- Is it possible to get a silent Marine setup (bedroom you see...)
<Quite possibly, but not if it has a skimmer, sump, etc. But I kept my coldwater
marine tank in my bedroom when I was teenager and it was fine.>
- Do Marine smell at all/more than Tropical?
<Smell different, I suppose. Salt water does have a distinctive "tang". Some say
it's iodine, others ozone. Whatever it is, it is a nice smell.>
Thanks for your assistance,
GZ
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Livebearer birthing
clinic.... 1/16/08
Thanks for the quick reply.
<No problem.>
I will look into some of those species that you mentioned as small carnivores -
I don't think seahorses are available here in the UK,
<Yes they are, but they're expensive because they're tank-bred nowadays. This
makes them infinitely easier to keep than wild seahorses (they eat dead food!).>
nevertheless, a conversion to fish-marine is possible since this tank has
Mollies in (I also have some small Suckermouth Catfish - are they capable of
reverse osmosis too ?).
<No, Plecs cannot live in seawater. Do check you understand what "reverse
osmosis" means -- nothing to do with seawater!>
I have just a few more questions:
- A friend in Germany has several huge tanks, 90L, 200L, 300L and always advises
against the 'all-in-one' commercial filters/pumps. He instead used (from what I
can remember) a foam layer which is permanently fixed to the aquarium walls in
which the pump is placed behind. Overtime it matures as the bacteria reside in
it, and starts to look like a rock face of sorts. Is there a correct name for
this filter medium - I cannot find any reference to this at all, and have since
lost contact with my friend.
Would such a filter be overkill in a 60L tank?
<No filter is "overkill" if it provides at least the amount of filtration
required for the livestock being kept. A too-big filter can be a waste of money
in terms of purchasing and running costs though, and too much water current
upsets fish from relatively still waters. All this said, I can't really see what
anyone would object to a commercial filter. It is true that manufacturers are
sometimes optimistic about how much livestock or what size tank a filter is
suitable for. But provided you go by turnover, no harm will be done. A basic
community tank needs at least 4 times the volume of the tank in turnover per
hour, a big/messy fish system at least 6 times, and marines and giant freshwater
fish at least 10 times.>
With tanks, is it always wise to go for surface area over depth (for chemical
loss via aeration)?
<In theory, yes, a filter that it wide but shallow, with all the bacteria close
to the atmosphere will indeed outperform one that is tall but narrow, where the
bacteria must rely on the oxygen supplied by the flow of water. In practise this
isn't usually an issue, and other things, like water changes and water
circulation, will have a much bigger impact on the livestock than the shape or
design of the filter. PROVIDED of course that the filter is adequate in terms of
turnover and the choice of filter media.>
The Mollies and Guppies I currently have in the juvenile state, about 14 of
them, smaller than adults but a lot bigger than fry, what could I do with these?
Nobody in the local area on forums wants Mollies, and some folk explicitly
advise/abhore female mollies and Guppies for the 'population explosion' risk.
<Can't think why. Anyone sticking either in a community tank with, say, cichlids
or small predators such as swordtails or Pim pictus catfish isn't really going
to have a population explosion!>
Thanks for your help,
GZ
<Cheers, Neale.>
Platys.... what if? Molly
crosses? 1/3/08
Hi Guys or Gals!
<Hello.>
OK, so.. about 9 months ago my cousin dumped some mollies and platys in my
freshwater tank due to them being baby making machines at
her house. I got sick of my freshwater tank constantly having problems with
disease and infection so I pulled the Mollies and over the course of many, many
long hours, I slowly converted them to marine fish (in their own separate tank
not in with my other marine fish) They’re doing great! (both tanks) It’s been 6
months. Some are Dalmatian mollies and some are molly and platy cross breeds
(living in a 1.024-1.025 salinity).
<Never heard of Platy/Molly hybrids. Are you sure? I'd LOVE to see pictures of
these Platy hybrids.>
I even have a couple new babies in that tank. So my question is.. are the Platys
solely freshwater?
<While Mollies adapt to marine conditions fine, I've never heard of anyone adapt
any Platy (or Swordtail) to marine conditions. Brackish water up to SG 1.005 is
likely the limit.>
Or can they be converted like the mollies as well?
<Not that I'm aware of.>
I heard they’d be OK in brackish water, But I want to know if they’d live
comfortably in a marine environment.
<Likely not.>
Thanks for your time.
Rochelle
<Cheers, Neale.>
Pregnancy Question - 11/26/07
Hey it's me again!
If the gravid spot is not the pregnancy clincher, then what is? I've noticed
that at the end of the belly and right next to the anal fin forms a point right
before she gives birth.
-Any help?
-Sarah
<The problem with the gravid spot is that it isn't a surface feature. It's
caused by the embryo-filled sac being pressed against the muscle wall of the
abdomen. So you see a dark area just in front of the anal fin. It's very
reliable on wild-type Guppies and Mosquitofish. But as soon as you look at fancy
livebearers, which have stronger colouration, or larger species like Platies or
Swordtails, you can't see the gravid spot because the colouration and/or muscles
obscure it. As a general rule, if a female livebearer above around 2-3 months
has ever been with a male more than 2 months old, she will have been fertilised.
Since livebearers can have as many as six broods from one insemination, you
effectively need something like 6 months or so of time to completely "use up"
any sperm deposited and so be "ready" for mating once more. This is why people
breeding livebearers separate males and females as soon as they can be sexed,
and never, ever mix males with females except for deliberate breeding purposes.
Once you've had a few broods, you will probably be able to tell for your
particular fish what they look like a few days from parturition, but beyond
that, you cannot reliably tell whether a female is actually pregnant or not.
Hope this helps, Neale.>
Platies and Swordtails
changing sex 10/26/07
I love your website. I'm very sorry if this topic is already on your
website, I've already looked as much as I possible could. I'm doing a mid-term
project in science class. I am going to see if Platies can change gender. I have
to look up info to support it. I know that only hermaphrodites can change
gender. I also know that it can only happen to females, and that it takes longer
for guppies to change sex than platies or swordtails. I'm actually going to do
the experiment, how long does it take, approximately, for them to change? Also
that there must be all females present, no males. I already own a lot of
livebearers, adults and babies, I've had fish my whole life. Can you help me
please? Thanks a lot.
<Greetings. Without wanting to do your homework for you, let me save you some
effort on one aspect of your project: There is no evidence at all any
Xiphophorus species change sex. As your literature review should reveal, while
it has been mentioned in the aquarium literature many times, it has never been
observed under laboratory conditions. It is widely believed to be a myth, with
aquarists having misidentified a slow-developing male as a female. Sex changes
in fish tend to confined to marine perciform groups. The classic examples are
among the Wrasses, which typically start off as females, but the largest ones
become males. This is called Protogyny ("female first"). Protoandry, where all
individuals start off as females, is not so common, but one well-known example
is the Anemonefish, where the largest member of a colony becomes the female.
Cheers, Neale>
Setting up fry/quarantine
tank, livebearers, platies – 09/29/07
I'm new to this hobby and I really appreciate having this site to go to for
help.? I have a 10 gallon tank set up in my classroom with 3 female red? wag
platys.? I've had the platys for almost 3 weeks now and they seem to be doing
pretty well.? One likes to hide at times, but she'll always come out for a pinch
of food and sometimes she hangs out with the other two so I think she is Ok.?
Anyway, our school's back-to-school night was last night and one of my?
students'? parents (who used to run a fish store in NY) said one of my platys
was pregnant.?
<Pretty much a steady state...>
I had? thought she? might be because she? has a fatter belly than the other two,
but I didn't know if maybe she was bloated/sick.? I? do not see a dark spot on
her so I'm assuming it will be awhile longer for her to give birth.? I know it
is a long shot to think that I might be at school when she has her fry and can
actually save them from being eaten, but I thought I'd set up a tank to use as a
fry tank just in case.?
<Can use a trap of a few designs... or add some/more hiding material... trust to
chance... some young should survive in such a setting>
And besides, if it doesn't get used as a fry tank, I could use it as a
quarantine tank for any new fish that I want to add to my tank.? I'm going out
this weekend to get the supplies to set up this tank.? My question is how to
best get this fry tank up and running as quickly as possible.?
<Posted... http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwset-up.htm
and the linked files above>
I have? read that I could take water from my existing tank and put it into my
fry tank to get the cycling started.?
<Yes>
Should I filter? out the waste (fish poop, uneaten food, etc.) that I siphon out
during the water changes from my old tank? before putting it into the new fry
tank???
<Mmm, no, I wouldn't>
I'm doing twice weekly water changes with my classroom tank now.? Should I put
the old water I siphon from my classroom tank into the fry tank each time I do a
water change or would putting it in during the initial set-up be enough to get
the cycling started and keep the good bacteria going until the fry tank is
needed?
<I would use the "old" water for the new tank... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/platyreprofaqs.htm>
Thanks!
Carolyn
<Bob Fenner>
Platies and
guppies? Crosses 8/4/07
Hey there WWM crew,
I couldn't find an answer to this question on the site nor
anywhere else in my books or other online sources, so maybe you
can still help me out. The other day I saw my female guppy
mating with my male platy, and a female platy trying to mate
with just about everyone and anyone. Is this normal first of
all?
<Mmm, yes... Poeciliids are wanton this way>
And secondly is it possible that my female guppy may get
pregnant with a half platy half guppy group of fry? Thank for
your continuous help!
Sincerely,
Erica
<And yes, can occur... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/livebrrreprofaqs.htm
and some of the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Birthing without a mate? Guppies
7/28/07
My daughter's guppy gave birth to 4 live guppies on May 20. We purchased her
pregnant from a pet store. She was removed from the babies immediately and has
been alone since. On July 24 we found 3 new babies in the tank with the mother!
There has not been any other fish with her since the birth and I am trying to
figure out how this happened? Is this common and is she done? Yikes!
<Greetings. Yes, this is normal. Guppies practise something called
"superfetation" which means that they can divide up the fertilized eggs into
several different batches of embryos. Each batch develops at a different rate,
allowing the female to give birth to a succession of broods following a single
mating.. Their close relatives the dwarf mosquitofish can actually stretch this
out to no fewer than 6 broods from a single mating! Anyway, welcome to the
wonderful world of livebearers! Cheers, Neale.>
Can a fish be "sterilized"? Oh yes...
poeciliids here 7/9/07
This may be one of the more unusual questions you have received to date.
I have many mollies that were just fry last September. One of the fish who has
turned male is having the same exact tumor problem his father did. The father
fish succumbed after the slow growing nodular tumor spread and got in the way of
his breathing after several months. One of his son's has been growing a tumor
off to the side of his body and localized on the belly, but fortunately not
spread to where it would effect his breathing. He still has a good quality of
life and is courting his sisters along with the other males. I'd had to separate
him since Mollies are a social fish who do well in groups, but I also don't like
the thought of him reproducing what appears to be a bad gene.
What I'm wondering, would it be safe (and painless) to snip his gonopodium to
prevent reproduction? If not, any other suggestions? I don't think he deserves
to be put alone or die because of this. Thanks.
<Greetings. Sterilising livebearers has been done in the past in the way you
describe, typically for breeders to prevent people "copying" their new
varieties. Whether it is safe or painless I cannot say, though as a man, the
idea of anyone snipping anything off of me fills me with dread! Fish *do* have
nerves in and around their fins, as can be seen by the reaction when fin-nippers
attack things like angelfish and gouramis. But your bigger problem is what to do
with the male. Personally, I'd isolate him. Put him in a tank on his own with
(ideally) other brackish water fish. Mollies are not really schooling fish, so
while they enjoy company, they don't pine away from the lack of it (unlike, say,
neons or Corydoras). You are absolutely right to try and remove poor genes from
your stock. Whether a tumour is actually genetic though is a different question.
While they can be, in many cases they are caused by other factors, such as
viruses. In female livebearers they also seem to be caused by certain problems
during gestation. But if it is genetic, there's no reason to assume only the
male carries it; genetic disorders can be carried by females even if they don't
express them. I'm sure you recall from biology class at school how Haemophilia
works, for example, which is a human disease that can be carried by females but
usually manifests itself only in males. In other words, when you breed the next
generation from your females plus some new males from elsewhere, don't be
surprised if you see this tumour reappear (if it is genetic rather than caused
by something else). Cheers, Neale>
Re: Can a fish be "sterilized"? 7/10/07
Per the below advise, I will go ahead and just separate Jack Jr. (fish with
the tumor - they all have names). Would a 1 gallon tank (aerated and filtered of
course) be enough for him to live his last days out in? (I don't have a separate
tank avail, so they just reproduce in a 55 gal and babies live by hiding in the
abundant plants an decor.
<No, a 1 gallon tank isn't really acceptable for a molly. At some point breeders
have to euthanise unwanted fry. Fish produce too many offspring to care for them
all, especially if they're "faulty". But that's your call.>
On coloring for mollies, I seem to have a blend I have not seen - I have a few
that are a deep beautiful orange color on the body, black dorsal, side and tail
fins and pure white belly. I have not seen any in pictures with quite this
variety. How common/uncommon is this color pattern? They almost resemble a
red-wag platy color-wise. I read up that fish can change color to a degree
associated with mating; would this be the case, or have I lucked out on getting
a somewhat unique color scheme? (The fry came out of gold dust mollies)
<I have no idea whether such a variety is new. Creating a new colour variety
isn't difficult, but getting it to breed true (i.e., the same, generation after
generation) is much more difficult. Same as with breeding any animal. Your
regional livebearer club (e.g.. American Livebearer Association or British
Livebearer Association or whatever) will probably be your next stop if you're
serious. As well as having a club you can join to discuss with other experts,
they will have auctions and meetings where you see and learn about livebearer
breeding. Mollies generally do not change colours in the same way as, say,
cichlids. Good luck! Neale>
Re: Can a fish be "sterilized"? 7/10/07
Thank you again. I think at this point I am seriously considering
euthanization in light of the tumor growing so that he does not die a slow or
painful death. I think I'll just keep my fish as a hobby for now, but thank you
for letting me know there are organizations for livebearers and such should I
ever get more serious down the road. Have a wonderful day!
<Glad to help. Cheers, Neale.>
Male guppy romancing female platy
6/5/07
Hi,
<<Hello, Krista. Tom here.>>
I have a male fantail guppy that is exhibiting mating behavior towards one
of my female platys. He follows her around, snuggles up next to her and
swishes his tail in her direction.
<<A Guppy “lounge lizard”, eh?>>
She is not interested and is constantly trying to stay away from him.
<<You’ve raised her well, Krista. :) >>
Can they crossbreed?
<<I’ve run across unverifiable accounts of Guppies cross breeding with
Platys but find these reports rather doubtful. Platys with Swordtails? Yes,
but not Platys with Guppies. Livebearing females can store the males’ sperm
for a period of time resulting in multiple births from a single mating. This
occasionally gives rise to accounts from hobbyists that a female Platy, for
instance, became pregnant by a male Guppy. Doesn’t take into account that
she likely mated with one, or more, male Guppies at the LFS before coming to
her new home. A far more likely scenario, in my opinion.>>
What is the likelihood that she can become pregnant by him?
<<Again, in my opinion, none.>>
I purposefully have all female platys (3) and 2 male fantail guppies because
I didn't want babies - my tank is too small (4 gal BiOrb).
<<In a tank this small, it’s barely possible that fry – from viable parents
– would escape being eaten by the adults anyway, Krista. Nothing cruel or
heartless about this. Simply the natural way of things.>>
Thanks,
Krista
<<You’re welcome. Tom>>
Hello, FW livebearer info. 5/10/07
Hello guys,
(From Andreas, Cyprus)
<Greetings from San Diego, California>
Great website guys, i just found it out and there is endless information.
I have tried to search for my question to your website but i didn't manage to
find anything.
My question is how old the female balloon molly and female guppy has to be to
be able to get fertilized and give fly?
<Only a few (three-four) months really>
Also how old males has to be to be able to fertilize the females?
<About this amount of time also>
Just for information in my tank i have 3 balloon molly, 4 guppy, 10 tetras, 2
angels, a pleco and a kuhlii loach. And 47 balloon molly fry and 6 guppy fry.
The fry is currently in breeding net, unfortunately i can't let them free yet in
main tank because of the angels, even thought my angels are not so big they
would happily eat them all. I'm thinking to get rid of them but they are really
good looking so i don't know yet what to do)
<Perhaps another aquarium for the angels by themselves...>
anyway I'm going to make another small tank soon for the fry to grow, so maybe
that would solve the problem.
<Ah yes>
Thanks.
<Welcome my friend. Bob Fenner, who was out in Cyprus in '96 for the Hash House
Harriers Int'l runs.>
Breeding grass on top or bottom? Depends on species 4/24/07
Thank you so much for your website! I have spent many hours there and have
learned a lot!
<Good>
I have a 10 gallon tank with platies and one is definitely pregnant. I
bought some plastic aquarium breeding grass today and was wondering if
it is better to let it float on top of the tank or anchor it in the
gravel at the bottom for the upcoming fry?
<Near the top for these livebearers>
I was concerned if the fry would get enough crushed flake food if living
in the grass on the bottom.
I suppose I could cut the grass and let part of it float and put part of
it on the bottom?
Thank you so much!
Michele
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Swordtail guppies? 4/10/07
Hello again,
I've been sucked into your website :) And I have another question I can't seem
to find an answer to. Can you breed swordtails with guppies?
Because the third fish in my tank is a male guppy (with a female swordtail and a
male molly) and, while the molly has been mating with the swordtail only
occasionally, the guppy won't leave her alone (yeah those guys are insane). So I
was wondering, with all that action, could I end up with swordtail guppy mutant
babies? :P
Thanks,
Didi
<Possibly. BobF>
Superfetation 3/30/07
My son bought a female guppy nearly two months ago, and within the first week
she had 8 babies. She has been kept in a tank by herself for the time since, and
yet she just had three more babies tonight. As they are live bearers, I am not
sure what is going on, and I came across the term superfetation, and wanted to
know exactly what all this meant? Will we have any more babies to deal with?
<Mmm, plainly put, this is the capacity to store viable sperm in (this case
female guppies') reproductive tract. A useful strategy for when it "takes two to
tango" and there are no males about. You may indeed have more young from this
"lone" female. Bob Fenner>
Run-on Sentence & Livebearers 1/23/07
Hi
<Howdy.>
I have a female Hi-Fin orange swordtail, and it was never pregnant, <Oh.>
but I did have a male swordtail, but it has been dead for a month, <Ahh.> and I
have three guppies two that are trying to mate with it and I can see they have a
few times from what I noticed, and now it is pregnant, so I had wanted to know,
is it possible for a swordtail and a guppy to mate? <Yup.> and have a fry? <You
betcha.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/livebrrreprofaqs.htm >
<P.S. This email is made up of two sentences - one with four word, and the other
with... over 50. While not absolutely necessary to make your point known, it is
considered rude by myself and many other crew-members to have to field questions
that have so obviously been spun-off and sent before any proof-reading at all.
Consider this your ONE freebie from me. In the future, if you don't want to take
the time to make your email presentable for display on our dailies, then I won't
take the time to answer with any more than, "Please resend in proper grammatical
English, please." Graham T.>
~Thanks Louis~
Ich and Fry, FW livebearers 1/14/07
Hi there. I'm completely new to this site (within a week, at best) and it seems
to be an amazing site for answering questions.
<We do try...>
Here's my question...
I'm a fairly seasoned "fisher", though this is one problem I've never
encountered before. I recently purchased some RedWag Platies (sp?), about two
weeks ago. They are in their own tank (separate from my non-livebearers). I
just noticed their BRAND NEW babies this evening upon returning home from
work. I was just now over checking the progress on my new babies, noticed one
more (rather exciting for someone who usually keeps tetras...lol). I then
started really watching the adults trying to figure out which one was slowly
giving birth...... and that's when I noticed it..... ICH! On at least two of
the adults, it's visible.
<Oops>
My question(s): How do I treat a tank with fry that are still so new?
<Mmm, better to separate... take out the adults, treat them elsewhere>
I've seen a lot of posts about aquarium salt, and Ich meds and the likes. I
currently have on hand (just in case) what's called "QuICK Cure", the active
ingredients being Malachite Green and Formalin.
<Yes... quite harsh>
Should I medicate the tank with the new babies in it? If so... should I be
removing the carbon from my AquaClear Filter for better medication? Basically,
I'm not sure what to do because of the fry... I'd really hate to lose my first
hatch (however... being a reasonable and educated person, I do realize this a
good possibility. Just want to prevent it, if I can).
Any advice you can give would be greatly appreciated!
Steph
<I'd move the adults and treat them elsewhere. BobF>
Plans for livebearer fry in community tank; male dwarf Gourami bubble nest
12/19/06
Hi Crew,
<Hello - Jorie here>
Thank you for a very quick reply to the question I
<I; please use proper capitalization, punctuation when writing in...I've edited
this one, but would appreciate not having to do so next time!>
had about my female guppy being pregnant and swimming funny.
<Don't think I answered that one, but I'll try to help with this one...>
I have now done a lot of research into guppies and the other fish I have in my
tank,
<Excellent - that's how we all learn>
another female has had fry today,
<Yes, livebearers will do that when males and females are kept together in
community tanks...>
that's me
<??>
now got
<have>
25 fry (very proud!! Although it is said to be easy to do, I'm still very proud)
<Congratulations! The harder part is keeping them alive and healthy...>
The only problem is, I did not plan to breed but this is life and I do not want
to stop it from happening, I cannot have two fish tanks in my house, so I bought
a breeding net to keep the fry in, I also need one for the female.
<Well, if you cannot have any more tanks, then why are you trying to isolate the
fry and mom, so that she can give birth to even more young? First off, female
livebearers can store sperm for up to 6 mos. I am told, so even if you isolate
her now, she'll like continue to give birth to new babies every 4-6
weeks. You'll soon become overrun with fry! I understand you don't want to hurt
the fry, but I imagine you'll not want to add to your "collection" if you have
no ability to add more tanks; you'll very soon become overstocked.
Second, I am not a fan of breeding nets at all, as it is my view they tend to
unnecessarily stress the fish out. If it is your intention to raise the fry,
providing plenty of cover (in the form of plants, especially floating ones, and
decoration) in a community tank will allow the fry plenty of places to hide from
predators. Also, it will allow the mom to hide while she's giving birth as
well.
As cute as they are, livebearer fry will ultimately run you out of house and
home...I've invested in several new tanks just to accommodate my young mollies
and platys. If you aren't prepared to do this, best to allow nature to take its
course and have larger fish in the community tank feed themselves on the
fry. It's nature, not murder...>
Is there any other way to do this as the nets are blocking the rest of the tank.
<Ditch the nets. Nothing good will come of them - as mentioned above, they'll
likely stress out the fish. Also, if you don't have room to keep/raise the fry,
best to let nature take its course now while they are little...>
I think some info over my tank would help: I have a 160 liter, well planted. I
think just need to work on cover plant for the fry,
<Java moss works well>
gravel based with a large ship as deco. I have enclosed a picture; don't know if
it is any use.
<I always like to see pictures of peoples fish and tanks!>
If you would like to use it feel free - this was at the start
<For some reason, I wasn't able to "reply" as I normally do, to your e-mail, but
rather I had to cut and paste the text into a new message. I wasn't able to
save the picture, unfortunately. But I do appreciate you sending it along and I
enjoyed seeing it!>
Any way the main reason for writing was to thank u for taking the time out to
answer me.
<As I said before, I don't believe I answered your previous query, but on behalf
of that crew member, you are welcome.>
No doubt
<doubt>
I will have many more questions to ask you as like u
<you>
said every day is something new.
<That is true, and we are here to help. But, please do look through the
wonderful articles available on www.wetwebmedia.com ; also, there's lots of
other useful websites, books, etc. out there to be discovered...>
I am currently reading up on Dwarf Gourami, as I think they were trying to
breed. The male started to build a bubble nest but nothing came of it.
<Sometimes when male fish do this, they are simply showing the females they are
ready to breed...no worries, no harm. They'll breed if/when ready! Also, these
fish will likely keep your livebearer fry population in check...>
I have searched my tank from top to bottom, and to be truthful I did not know at
the time what the male was doing till I researched some.
<The beauty of reading, research...>
Once again thank you.
<You're welcome. Hopefully I've helped you with your livebearer fry
question/"dilemma". Best regards, Jorie>
Swordtails Breeding with Mollies?
- 10/24/06
Hi from Australia
<<Hi from the USA. Tom here.>>
I have a large 3 foot aquarium that has a silver shark, lace Gourami, 3
female mollies, 2 female swordtails, 2 mail swordtails and 2 large silver
dollars. I also have a small tank that has about a dozen swordtail fry born only
yesterday.
<<Congratulations.>>
I have two questions that I hope you will be able to answer.
<<I’ll give it my best…>>
Firstly, I just guessed when I thought that the swordtail was pregnant
(these are my first fry) and put her in the breeder tank because everything I
read says that you will know that they are about to have the fry when you can
see their eyes at the back of the belly.
<<A very good indication, certainly.>>
My 3 females all have black stomachs and I can't see anything, is there
any other way to tell as I think the other two may be pregnant as well?
<<Early in the pregnancy, this may be a little difficult particularly
when the gravid spot isn’t clearly visible to you. Obviously, as things progress
the abdomen will become fuller/rounder and, when time for the “blessed event” is
near, the female will tend to isolate herself from her tank mates. One common
behavior is for her to linger near the aquarium heater if one is provided. Her
vent may also become a little more pronounced.>>
And, I think that 2 of my mollies are pregnant. Is it possible for
swordtails and mollies to breed as the mollies were given to me as fry and I
have had them for months so I know they weren't pregnant when I got them?
<<Yes, this is possible. It’s a bit of a misconception that livebearing
fish like Mollies, Swordtails, Platys and the like will “readily” crossbreed but
it can/does occur. In general, each will seek out its own kind first but, in the
absence of this, males of one kind may seek out a female of another variety.>>
Please help.
Thanks Amanda
<<You’re welcome, Amanda. I hope all goes well. Tom>>
Livebearer gender question: Want females......but........
8/21/06
All I got was males.
<Odd...>
I'm referring to my baby platies. I know that a previous question has
been submitted by someone about temperature affecting the gender of baby
livebearers, but it seemed inconclusive. I would really appreciate any
information. I have a new batch of baby platies and I really want to know
if there is any way that I can make most of them turn out to be females.
<Mmm, not really... cooler water temperatures, frequent water changes for
the adults might help...>
I want to selectively breed them, so I need females. I appreciate your time
and advice.
-----------------------------------------------------Heather
<Not possible as far as I'm aware. You might want to peruse the American
Livebearer Association's site re. Bob Fenner>
|
Poeciliid Fry growth 8/7/06
Hi there, I have a few questions for you. I was wandering
<And wondering?>
how fast do fry grow and how many weeks till you can start telling them from
female and male?
<Mmm... for most livebearing species a few weeks... 3,4,5 will serve here... can
be sped up a bit by frequent small feedings, and changing parts of the water on
a regular basis (reduces metabolites that slow growth...)>
We bought our first set of mollies on the 5th of August. She started to have
babies in the bag on the way home. The man at the store said she would have
about 30 fry, well we got home and put her in a bucket and she had the babies in
a 10 gal. aquarium. After a hour past I checked on her and counted all the
babies as I moved them and she had a little over 100 fry. Now my next question
is the next time she has fry will she have more than that or about the same
amount? I sent a picture for people to see the difference in a male molly.
Thank you Robin
<Mmm, thank you for this. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollyreprofaqs.htm
and the linked files above... Much more pertinent info. to relate... and you'll
realize the "method in our madness" in such referrals. Bob Fenner> |
|
|
Livebearer, Platy Repro. 8/2/06
Hay
<?>
I have 5 platy sunset and 5 platy red and 2 rosy barbs. I want to know will the
platys red and sunset will mate and have babies. Also how do I tell what sex
they are? And what do I do with the babies?
Thanks matt
<These platies will cross-mate (are the same species, just different "breeds",
like domestic dogs). Please read here re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/platyreprofaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Breeding different livebearers... 6/16/06
My main question here is if it is possible to breed, say, for example, a
platy to a mosquito fish. Since they are both livebearers, I wondered if
they could create hybrid babies. Is it even remotely possible?
<Some poeciliids do readily crossbreed... e.g. Platies and Swordtails...
others not as surely>
I have recently become interested in selectively breeding platys in an
attempt to create a new variation or type of platy.
<You're in good company. There are a few folks, groups that have this as an
activity>
In having plenty of offspring, I was wondering what would happen if I bred
a male platy to a female mosquito fish (as I already have 24 mosquito fish
babies, I intend to separate the
males from the females as soon as a difference can be determined).
<Mmm... don't know that you want to go this route... Gambusia, Heterandria
species are not very attractive to start with... will take quite a while,
generations to return much in the way of color, finnage>
I’m not too experienced in genetics and I don’t know if the two fish would
even take an interest in one another, but I heard somewhere about platys
being able to breed with swordtails and maybe guppies, so I would appreciate
a confirmation on what is possible. Thank you for taking the time to read
my question. I would be very happy if your crew could answer this soon.
Thanks again!! :)
<Interesting speculations. The most useful expenditure of your time will
almost assuredly be going to a large college library (with a Bio. dept.) and
having a reference librarian show you how to devise a search strategy...
computer based bibliography on the genetics, breeding of poeciliids. Bob
Fenner>
Re: Breeding different livebearers... 6/18/06
Well, you do have something there about mosquito fish being a little
unattractive. I find them a bit charming, though, so it balances out.
<Good! I have bred all of these...>
Plus, there is an interesting story behind how I obtained my two mosquito
fish females who are currently pregnant................ again. They were
swimming among "feeder" goldfish in a crowded tank.
<Often mixed in for mosquito/vector control...>
When I saw that one of the two was really pregnant, I knew I had to at least
buy her for the sake of saving some of her offspring. The other female was
hard to resist since
I found out the cost for each fish would be nineteen cents. So I saw it as
my "forty-cent bargain". Long story short, the 24 baby mosquito fish that I
have now are all from the female who was heavily pregnant at the time I
purchased her.
Knowing now that mosquito fish are usually a little on the undesirable side,
I happened upon the thought to cross breed them. I give thanks, once again,
for the fine crew at wet web media's quick reply. It was much appreciated.
I could attempt the platy cross breed, but, since the results are
inconclusive and unknown, I came to wondering if breeding a guppy to a
mosquito fish would be a more likely success. Of course, breeding mosquito
fish isn't my main motive in selectively breeding fish. The platies are
going to be the main production. I would just like to do something with my
new mosquito fish fry, especially since there will be more on the way. I
would appreciate the answer to the question of whether or not a male guppy
will breed with a female mosquito fish, as it is the last question I have on
cross breeding pairs.
By the way, I will try to look into a college library at some point as I am
beginning to think that a stronger understanding of genetics will be
necessary in my projects and fish breeding activities. Thanks again!!
<Please do report back. I don't recall off-hand whether it has been reported
that these poeciliids have produced viable young from crosses. Cheers, Bob
Fenner>
Re: Breeding different livebearers............... 6/20/06
Okay, I will report back with whatever results in a cross breed. It will be
a while, though, since my mosquito fish fry are only a few weeks old.
<Ah, yes... takes multiple generations... years>
Once they are old enough to tell male from female, I will separate the
different genders from each other and continue to raise them to
maturity. When I have
a mature female, I will introduce her to a male guppy and see how things
work out. Even if I get them to breed, it will be a while raising the
babies to finally have a clear result. Still, I will be sure to report as I
figure things out. Hopefully we all have the patience to see this through!!
Well, I do thank you once again and I will keep your crew informed on this
project.
<I/we thank you. I encourage you to keep good notes, possibly write up your
experiences for the ALA, other media. Bob Fenner>
Breeding different livebearers... platy gender concerns
7/13/06
I would like your crew to know that, since Mosquitofish are very similar to
guppies, they can crossbreed.
<Thank you for this>
A person at an experienced pet shop mentioned that Mosquitofish are,
basically, just plain looking guppies and the two species will crossbreed.
<Mmm, actually, there are a few Poeciliid species commonly termed
"Mosquitofish/es">
Although, the person doubts that any really interesting offspring will
result at first.
I thank you for your replies to previous e-mails. As I have raised my
livebearing fry, I came up with a new question. Since I plan on selectively
breeding my platies, among other fish, I wanted to know how to determine
their gender as early as possible.
<Mmm, really just keen vision, observation... gonopodia and behavior>
I am wondering whether or not a female platy will have a slight extension
on the anal fin by the tip.
<Yes... the first ray or two...>
And I'm saying very slight. I've always heard that females will have
fan-like anal fins, but is it possible for a female to have a more pointed
fan type of
anal fin. As I am saying this, I want you to be clear of what I am
picturing. The fish in question's anal fin spreads out like a fan, but its
tip is slightly (and I mean slightly) longer than the rest of the fan-like
fin. This tends to make me wonder since the earliest form of a male's anal
fin is usually the fan-like shape becoming more extended and pointed.
<Agreed>
I really don't want to mess up with this, so any help would be appreciated
as to how to correctly determine a male from a female at their earliest
development. I'm shooting for a way to be able to completely prevent any
breeding between siblings.
<Early separation... the first few weeks...>
I really wish I could keep each little one separate, but that would be
very difficult to do- since I don't have the kind of money to be able to
provide separate containments for each of 10 or more offspring. Thank you
for taking the time to read my question/concern.
<Thank you for writing, sharing. Bob Fenner>
My livebearers don't seem to be breeding 2/7/06
Crew:
<Tim>
I have a cycled 29 gallon tank that has been up and running since about
October. I lost a few fish early on when the tank was still cycling but
everything has been fine since then. Currently my tank is a little
overstocked but the fish seem healthy. I have 3 platys, 3 swordtails, 3
green Corys, 6 lemon tetras, 8 zebra danios, one small bushy nosed pleco and
2 small clown loaches. Of the swordtails, one is a male and two are
female. Of the platys at least one is a male and one is a female, but I
have trouble telling for the third platy. It looks like a male but I can't
tell whether it is just pulling up its anal fin as it swims. I also have a
number of plants. including java fern, java moss, Cryptocorynes, Ludwigia,
Cabomba caroliniana, Hygrophila, Amazon sword, hornwort and anacharis. Some
of the hornwort is floating at the top. I was having some trouble with rams
horn snails getting out of control but not anymore since I introduced the
loaches.
<Ah, yes>
(There are still snails but not too many). I have not added any salt for
the sake of the plants and the tetras.
<Good>
The temp is set 78. The ph is fluctuates between 6.8 and 7.0, the
carbonate hardness is 3-4, and the GH is 7-8. I have two 2 bulb t-5 strip
lights that provide a total wattage of 72 (4 bulbs at 18 w each). I have
algae but it is under control since I adjusted the timers to turn the lights
out for 2 hours during the middle of each day. I'm adding co2 regularly
using one of the low tech plastic gadgets where you add the fizzy tablets.
<Sounds like a very nice set-up, livestock mix>
To the best of my knowledge the platys and swordtails have not had any
fry. They seem to be engaging in courtship behavior. Is it possible they
are having fry and I have not seen them before they are eaten.
<Yes, most likely here>
How can I tell if the female is pregnant? Any ideas what I can do?
Thanks.
Tim
<Mmm, the general "roundness" of females, their more hiding/slower moving
behavior, the darkening of the vent area are all indications... quite
"pregnant" females can be moved in advance... to other systems, a breeding
net/trap... but young may cause crowding issues here with growth... I would
let "nature take its course"... unless you have other tanks, intend to give
away the offspring. Bob Fenner>
New fry and tank care - 03/13/2006
Hello WWM Crew:
I very much appreciate all your information and support. I have written
a couple of emails recently and have found great comfort in your replies and
advice! Thank you!! My 3 1/2 daughter, Katee, has recently had some new
additions to her fish family. About four days ago her Mickey Mouse platy,
"Sunshine," gave birth to 7 babies. I was able to retrieve 5 right away and
place them in a breeder's net within the tank. Her tank is 16 gallons
containing a total of 4 male guppies, 1 mm platy, 1 red platy, 1 silver
platy, 1 baby black molly (given to her from the pet store about 4 weeks
ago), and a dwarf Plecostomus. Today we found 2 more babies swimming around
the tank, retrieved one and put it in the net. The last is still in the big
tank. now named "Houdini." I noticed that the tank near the net is growing
algae...I am trying to keep it clean by sucking out the waste with a
children's medicine dropper and I also use it to clear any uneaten food
after 20 minutes. Is this the best way to keep it clean?
<Perhaps a length (five, six feet) of flexible airline tubing fashioned as a
siphon would work best here>
Any additional ideas? How is it possible to do a water change if the fry
are hanging at the top?
<Careful siphoning>
Do I even want to do a change?
<Yes, some every week>
I made a 5 gallon water change last Monday and added the required salt at
that time too. I have been prepping my daughter that not all the babies
might make it, but so far we have a 100 % success rate. How many fish can
her tank support?
<About this many when fully grown>
I am attempting to keep this tank as low maintenance as possible, is that
asking too much?
<Mmm, no>
We do have a place some of the babies can go to at school, a very well
maintained 20 gallon tank with only 6 platys. How long do the fry need to
stay in the net?
<Till more than mouth size...>
Is it better to leave them there or let them be free...."Houdini" has done
very well and he is the smallest. Currently the fry are being fed 3 - 4
times a day with "first bites" and the others get flake food each
evening. Should I maintain this schedule?
<Yes>
For how long?
<A month or so>
Thank you very much for your attention to this matter. Both Katee and I are
extremely grateful for your input.
Sincerely, Debby
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
There's something in the water... - 03/11/2006
Hello all,
Thank you very much in advance for your expertise....
<Glad to share it>
I am very happy I found your web forum, I have found it extremely helpful. My 3
1/2 year old daughter is obsessed with fish!!!
<Do sneak in the occasional spread sheet, business tome...!>
We have a lot of exciting things happening in our 16 gallon tank. We recently
have had 5 new Mickey mouse platy additions to our family, they are happily
residing in a breeder's net and eating well and are very active, even the
tiniest of them all. Unfortunately the "Mama" broke her back during birth and
had to be put down (it was a happy and sad day yesterday!) Now that I have
taken a deep breath I believe that the red platy and another platy in the tank
are pregnant too!!! This tank has now 5 fry, 3 Mickey mouse platys, 1 red
platy, 4 male guppies, and one dwarf Plecostomus. From surfing your site I see
dark areas on the lower parts of their bodies. Do the fish show any other signs
before giving birth?
<A clearing of the distal vent area... a day or so ahead... and "hiding"
behavior>
The red platy is being slightly piggish at mealtime and chasing off the others,
while the yellow Mickey mouse is hanging back and down in the plants. How many
fish can my tank support?
<Mmm, "well"... depends on size, maintenance... but a couple of dozen... a good
idea to "share the wealth" here... with the growing of young, to give these out
to others that want them>
Do I let these new ones fend for themselves?
<This is one way... and in general best, yes>
There are lots of hiding places in our tank, many plants, large pebbles, rocks
etc. How many fry can go into the breeders net and not be over crowded?
<... depending on size... a dozen or two...>
Should I get a second one?
<If necessary, yes... and/or keep an eye out for sales on new/used
tanks/systems>
Can you place multiple fry from different "Moms" into the same net?
<Yes>
Thank you for any advice you can give me. All is helpful!!
Katee also has a very happy 5 gallon tank that has never given an ounce of
trouble. On the other hand her 2 1/2 gallon tank smells sulfuric.
<A very common trend for "too-small" systems to have/be trouble...>
At one time it had black slimy algae growing in it, but I replaced all the
plants with new ones and it has not returned, except for the smell. Any idea?
<More aeration, moving (during water changes) new water for the tiny tank from
the larger ones... time going by>
This tank only has 1 fish a two inch red-eyed tetra named "Poop." Can this tank
support any more fish?
<Of some species yes>
Thank you again. Have a wonderful day. Sincerely, Debby
<Thank you for writing, sharing. Bob Fenner>
Platys and Mollies - 03/05/06
Ok first I want to say HI!
Then I want to apologize in advance for the simple questions I am about to ask.
Ok I just got two mollies of some unknown variety and the same with two Platys.
I really want babies now that I know they are live bearing fish.
I am extremely new at this for I have a one gallon tank don't know anything
about hard water, soft water, brackish, nitrites, and I have them in a tank
with water from my sink.
I'm sure right now you are thinking "oh great"!
Well I REALLY want to get into breeding these fish but I'm not sure how to tell
their sexes.
<Not hard to do... they have internal fertilization (as our species does)...
males have modified anal fins, gonopodia, for genetic intromission... gone over
on WWM>
OK if that's not bad enough here is the worst thing these are Wal-Mart fish!
Anyways I know that males have a gonopodium but I can't really tell if any have
this.
<Oh! May be too small to see at this point>
I have one black and white platy, black back with white fins and belly and semi
iridescent black scales, who always keeps its anal fin tucked ,i hope
to god that was the right name, I am almost positive that its a he.
The other platy is smaller by just a little bit and is bright orange with
yellowish fins I am sure this is a female because that fin is always out and
look round but she is smaller than the other.
Aren't males smaller?
<Yes>
The mollies are what I am most concerned about.
One is yellow with kind of iridescent spots.
The other is larger and has a yellow color with orangish and black spots.
This one seems to be dominate over the other it seems that it chases yellow one
about until she feels satisfied about her position in the tank.
I am not sure if they are both female and I don't know if they are okay where
they are now they seem to be fine i think except for the chasing
between the two mollies I think they both might be female , and that is okay for
now I suppose.
Later today I should be going out and getting some new fish and my friend is
giving me another ten-twenty gallon tank.
<Much better... the present one gallon is too small, unstable>
I broke the first one he gave me within the hour of getting it, I dropped it in
the sink while trying to clean the hard water out of it.
Well I need to know what to put in this new tank.
Currently I have rocks, one fake plant, an air pump, and a thermometer.
I got from my friend a filter, a thermal something and a light for the top of
the tank but I don't know how to use any of these things.
<Posted on WWM... but I would have a "fish friend" come by and help you in
person>
I think the mean female molly is pregnant she has that dark spot in her belly
how can I tell when she will give birth?
How many fish can fit in a ten-twenty gallon tank?
<Both posted...>
I must know so I don't over fill it especially if their are babies on the way.
Ok well the platys seem to be right at home just swimming about but the mollies
hide by the plastic plant in the tank a I put bulbs for a plant
called an Aponogeton is this an okay plant?
One more thing I feed them regular fish flakes is that okay?
How often do I feed them?
Thank you for your help I hope this is better
Maria
<Please see WWM. Your answers are there. Bob Fenner>
Baby Molly and Pregnant Platy 3/3/06
Hi, I have one breeding net it has one baby Molly in it is it ok to put a
pregnant platy in with he baby Molly ?
<Should be okay... if the molly is large enough... more than mouth size. Bob
Fenner>
Re: fish fry stuck in mother
Thank you very much.
<Happy to be of some help.>
So if they don't come out does she die and the fry live?
<If the egg material isn't reabsorbed into the female's system, which is
typically what we'd expect, yes, it can be fatal to her. Once born, the fry are
going to be reliant on you, not "Mom". You might try adding a small amount of
aquarium salt to the tank, on the order of one tablespoon per 10 gallons.
I've no first-hand experience with using salt for this purpose but have run
across this suggestion during other research. Good
luck. Tom>
Everett
Tiny Tank With Fry On The Way 4/30/06
I have a 5 gallon tank with 2 swordtails, 4 mollies, an Otocinclus and 3
small shrimp. My silver molly is pregnant, will she come to term in such a
small tank? Also, I do have a few live plants but will the fry survive? I am
not sure if it will be too crowded and effect the other fish. Thanks!
<Hi, Don here today. Yes, your Mollie will give birth in this small tank. I
would think that most will be taken by the swordtails if you leave things as
is. This is not a bad thing, it's nature's way. But if you want to raise the
fry and keep the fish you currently have, you will need a second (or larger
well planted) tank. You are already overstocked, the fry will put additional
stress on the system. Look into setting up a 20 gallon long for your current
fish and using the 5 as a fry and shrimp tank. If a new tank is not possible
I suggest you pick your favorite 2 or 3 fish and find new homes for the
rest.>
Freshwater 20g... unexpected surprise... - 04/27/06
Hello... and thanking you already for any help/advice you can give,
I've been searching your site but haven't been able to find exactly what
I'm looking for so I do apologize if this type of issue has already been
addressed and I just couldn't find it.
I recently bought a 20g tank for freshwater fish. I am very new to this
hobby and mistakenly took the advice of the PetSmart salesperson - I didn't
know a thing about cycling until stumbling across your website. I did
purchase a bottle of Cycle and have been adding as per the directions but no
one at the shop told me not to add the fish right away.
<A very common mistake... often deadly>
My bad for not investigating further. I've had the tank for almost three
weeks and so far the fish I have are doing alright - I have 5 platys and 5
mollies. They're "happily" swimming and eating and there don't seem to be
any problems ( please keep your fingers crossed for me :) ). Here's my
problem - I specifically asked for only male fish because I didn't want the
possibility of having fry until I became more accustomed to taking care of
the adults if that makes sense. Well, lo and behold I now have eight fry (
three of them I noticed last week and the five new ones I noticed three days
ago - the new ones are still "baby babies" ). This is my question ( finally
:o ) - I would like at some point soon to get into the tank with my gravel
cleaner, how safe is it to do so with these babies hiding everywhere?
<Not generally a problem. They avoid such>
Secondly, since I biffed the cycling process should I wait awhile before
cleaning the gravel in an effort to not create an even larger problem?
<Yes... you are wise here. "Cycle" (Hagen product) does often fail or not
work in the first place. I'd wait another month or so before changing water>
Thank you again... it's so very very much appreciated!!
Geri
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Livebearers
Dear Robert,
one of my swordtails, female, has recently 'built up' some black dots and
marks in the area from the eyes all the way back to the dorsal fin. This is
not maturity as it was already mature.
How do i tell if it is pregnant?
thanks
>>
Hmm, well the black spots could be "nothing", at least nothing dangerous...
melanin build up from genetic, developmental input... The pregnancy, close
to parturition (birthing) is a matter of having good vision... Take a look
near the fish's vent... as it gets near to releasing its young, you will see
the area enlarge, become clearer and the eyes (little dark spots) of the
young themselves, a few days ahead of release. BTW, do take care to not move
the female (as in to a breeder trap or other tank...) in later stages of
pregnancy... instead, I suggest placing enough filamentous bunch plant
material (like Myriophyllum, Hornwort, Anacharis...) for the young to hide
in.
Bob Fenner
Re: Re: livebearers
Dear Robert,
so i should not use the breeding trap?
<You could/can if it's big enough and you move the pregnant female(s) ahead of
giving birth a few days or more>
Is the vent the area near where the fish excreta is released?
<Yes>
There is a pink spot there right now and that sword is becoming fatter by the
week. Will that pink spot become black in colour?
<Yes, with the develop of the young, you can actually make out their eyes as
they get larger... and the vent region will become whitish/clear.>
What behaviour signs can i look for to tell that my fish is ready to give birth?
<Less movement, more hanging out at areas where the young could seek shelter.>
BTW do you really think that those black spots on the head are just the fish
maturing?
<For the most part, yes>
When my platy gave birth it didn't develop them.
My platy was hiding from everyone else but my sword doesn't do that, does it
just mean that the fish isn't ready to give birth yet. >>
<Possibly. Bob Fenner>
Re: Livebearer Swordtail Pairs?
will now i got the female and the male pineapple swordtail fish in a
breeding tank with a net how do i know that she pregnant in the other tank i saw
little black dots like they said you will see but they also said that the fish
don't take more than 24 hours to 2 days to lay their hatchling but i don't see
them in the tank do the female waits to have her young or do she have them at
any given moment?
<Any moment now... depending on a few factors... the higher the temperature the
sooner for instance. Bob Fenner>
HELP!!!!!!Female Guppy
Two days ago i purchased a female guppy, today she gave birth to 15 fry.
I had her in a fish net breeder that you attach to the side of the tank, whilst
she was giving birth. Every time a baby came out i put it in a fish bowl. when
she had, had them all i put her back in her original tank. i then put the fry
into the fish net breeder, at the moment they are just sitting on the bottom of
the net. the are all alive because if i move the net they swim back down to the
bottom, Why are they staying at the bottom?
<Likely just from the trials of being born and being moved... Next time, either
leave the female in with her young till they're all out, or look into one of the
types of traps that "automatically" separates the young. And do utilize some
sort of real or artificial "breeding grass" (anacharis, Myriophyllum,
Ceratophyllum...) in with the gravid female.
Good luck, and congratulations.
Bob Fenner>
Platies and Guppies
I recently purchased 4 platies 1 of them is very fat and she stays in the
plants and on the gravel a lot, do you think she is pregnant? Also i
have 4 Guppies, 2 males and 2 females, I want to breed them, how can i tell if
they are going to breed, what are the signs i should look out
for? Also i would like just one Siamese fighting fish but will it attack my
guppies? Please, please, please email me back A.S.A.P at
Thanx for the help. from Alex
<Thank you for writing, and yes, it is likely your platy is indeed going to give
birth. Take care not to move such fish when they are very gravid (close to
parturition), as you can gauge from their girth as well as a clearing near the
females' vent areas (if you look very close, you may be able to see the young's
eyes!) at this time. As I say, it is best to have plenty of room, some plant
material for the young to hide in (lest they be eaten by the other fishes), and
keep their tankmates fed (small amounts at least twice daily). A Betta, aka
Siamese Fighting Fish would likely chase your fancier male guppies (their
fluttering tailfins are irresistible) and would definitely eat your young
livebearers. However, you could easily house the Betta in a container within
your aquarium, like a glass hurricane lamp cover or attached plastic trap for
the purpose... effectively keeping them separated. Do keep in mind that Bettas
need regular meaty foods (frozen/defrosted, fresh, live) to stay healthy, and
access to the tank surface to breath.
Bob Fenner>
More on Pregnant Platies
I forgot to bookmark your web page and i cant find the site could you email
me the address?
Also how can i tell if my platy is gravid? Please email me back at sparkle
Thanx
<Our URL is wetwebmedia.com, and your female platies are gravid (near to giving
birth) when they're apparently more full, and their vent area (the underbelly
just behind the anal fin) starts to become clear.
Bob Fenner>
Guppy, Pleco Q's
Hi,
I was wondering what is the shortest length of pregnancy for a female guppy?
Also What age does a female guppy reach sexual maturity?
Also i have a pleco and i bought it when it was small but it grew fast now it is
starting to get too big what should i do with it and will it start eating my
other fish? and what could i get that would clean my tank but not grow very big?
thanks Alex
<About a month... about four months... trade that too-large pleco in at your
fish store... not so much that it will harass your other fishes, but may starve,
knock everything over... How big a tank? Read over the Suckermouth Catfish
article posted on the www.wetwebmedia.com site. Bob Fenner>
Poecilia
Bob,
Hi It's me again, Brenee King, a student of Mr. Nordell's I wanted to know how
Poecilia latipinna and Poecilia sphenops can mate even though they are different
species? Or was I mistaken about their mating capabilities?
Brenee King
<Hello there. Rather than just rendering yes/no responses here, let me send you
along to www.fishbase.com where you can/should insert the genus of these two
livebearing toothed carps and click below on "reproduction"... Some strange
goings on, challenges to "species-concepts" with the families of livebearing
fishes... Be chatting. Bob Fenner>
Platy gravid spot
Hi...
Been searching high and low for a picture of a pregnant platy. I think mine
might be expecting, and keep reading about a gravid spot to confirm it , but am
not quite sure what i am looking for. Any pics on the web that you know about?
<Hmm, think I have some at home... am visiting in HI currently. The vent area
gets quite clear near parturition... and the black pupils of the young are
visible...>
Also, she has begun to look much larger in the last 2 weeks...how soon should I
separate her from her tankmates?
<Sooner is better if you're going to move the fish at all... I would do so now.
Bob Fenner>
thanks, A.J.
Pregnant platies
Dear Rob
I hope that you can help me, I noticed that my platies fish tonight has become
very fat and looks pregnant. How long does it take from conceiving to
delivering. How will I know when she is about to deliver the babies. What
precautions can I take to stop her eating her babies.
She is resting on the gravel at present, so how will she act when she is about
to deliver and is there anything in particular that we will notice or is there
anything that we can do to keep the babies safe.
I would be grateful for any information that you can give me.
Regards
Becky
<Thank you for writing. Please take a read through the following part of our
site: http://wetwebmedia.com/poeciliidfaqs.htm
Others FAQs on platies, reproduction. Bob Fenner>
Fat Platy
My female platy gave birth about two weeks ago but now looks pregnant again
do you know what's happening?
<Mmm, what do you think is happening? This fish could "just be fat"... from the
types of foods you offer (any greenery, live or as food in the tank) and/or
maintenance (do you do regular partial water changes?). Perhaps it is pregnant
again (this happens). Do try looking for books on Livebearing Freshwater Fishes
at a large library near you. Ask a librarian there to help you find what they
have in the stacks or can get you on inter-library loan. You may become a
breeder of new strains through your studies, involvement. Bob Fenner>
PLATY!!
I have a pregnant "Mickey-mouse" platy. I know she's pregnant because she's
a orange-yellow transparent color and I can see the babies inside.
<Neat>
what are some signs that she is about to give BIRTH to the fry?
<The vent area will become quite clear... she will "hide out" in whatever sort
of "breeding grass" you're providing...>
How many fry can I expect?
<A few to dozens...>
Thanks!
-Erin of Washington
P.S I heard that the color becomes darker behind the gills late in the
pregnancy. Is that true?
<Hmm, behind the gills? Haven't heard this before. Here's where we store the
FAQs on livebearers on our site: http://wetwebmedia.com/poeciliidfaqs.htm
So you can read about other peoples experiences.
Bob Fenner>
Platy repro. questions
>i have two platies; one male and one female and i think that the female is
pregnant how can i tell if this is true?
<You will notice this female getting much more round, and the area in front of
its single bottom, midline fin (the anal fin) becoming
>clearer in color... even the babies eyes will be visible close to (within days)
of giving birth. Do place some "spawning grass" plant
>material or plastic equivalent for them to hide amongst. Bob Fenner>
>my platy female has just given birth can you give me any info on rearing them?
<A few times a day, very fine food (dried foods ground between fingers will
work). Keep an eye on water quality... Are you raising with larger, parent
fishes? You might want to separate them. Bob Fenner>
Re: more info about breeding pattern of mollies, especially around
delivery time
hello bob,
wow. this is fast. thanks. okay, I've noticed the "gravid spot" as it is called.
you mentioned that this area should be "clear". yes, in my fishes,
they're like "translucent", i can see the inside outline but not the shape of
the babies. however in other websites, they mentioned that the gravid spot
should be "dark". which is which??
<Well... depends on the "sport mutation", individual's degree of melanation in
the vent area... but "does change" and one can almost always make out the
young's eyes/pupils right about near parturition>
what you said about not overcrowding sounds a lot like common sense. in fact,
the whole day I've been thinking of getting a bigger container so at least they
feel as if they have more room.
<Am "full" of commonsense>
you also mentioned the molly will hide among the medium (elodea in my case) to
deliver her babies. some other sites mentioned the molly will settle down to the
bottom and will seem lethargic, fatigued. is this also correct??
<Yes... a possibility>
my one and only fry is doing well. i gave it some crushed powder from a small
floating goldfish pellet. i think it only eats the powder after the powder is
thoroughly soaked. but it seemed lively and healthy enough (at least not
sickly).
<Ah, good>
I've also moved one of the females to another container as this one doesn't seem
that pregnant as the others.
oh yes, by balloon mollies, do you mean "pot-bellied" mollies? I've seen this
term elsewhere on the web. here comes my question: how do you differentiate
between a normal pot-bellied / balloon molly and a pregnant sailfin molly??
<Very different in appearance... can be discerned easily. The
pot-bellied/balloon types are REALLY round in the abdominal region>
I've never seen a picture of a pot-bellied molly so I'm really hoping that my
mollies are really heavy with fries and not just being the pot-bellied
variety. I've written to a website on tropical fish and i was told briefly that
pot-belly molly has a unusual spine curvature. to me this is very very vague
indeed. if you look at a sailfin molly, the position of the dorsal fin in the
female is actually a bit to the back, more towards the caudal fin, right?
<Mmm, yes>
therefore, when i look at a female sailfin molly, it looks as if she has a
little bit of a "hump" back towards the caudal fin. my mollies at time stayed in
one spot for quite some time, at times, they "sat" at the bottom, at times
they're active, swimming up and down, up and down. is this normal behaviour??
<Yes. Do "sit" at times. Are you feeding "greens" on a daily basis?>
you also mentioned that at times, a pregnant molly will reabsorb her babies, in
dire circumstances? what exactly are these circumstances?
<Nutritional deficiencies mostly. A lack of habitat...>
i want to make sure they I'm not making their circumstances dire. since I've
bought them, i want to make sure they're given good environment to live in. in
place of the conventional aquarium setup (filter, etc, etc), will a large
earthenware pot about 1 1/2 feet in diameter and half a feet in height make good
home for my mollies?
<Maybe... would add a "sponge filter" or canister type to this container... and
leave the water down a few inches or cover with a mesh (they jump)>
i prefer to keep them outdoors as they seem more happy when there is sunlight. i
am thinking of a such an earthenware pot with 1/4 in of gravel material at the
bottom and elodea plants as needed. what I'm trying to do is to give them as
much of a natural environment as possible. I've tried to read up as much as i
can on this before i start. hence the initial a bit crowded home. the elodea
will help to give oxygen in the daylight, provide them with cover and shade, a
lotus plant will also give them cover, a 1-2 in change of water every second day
to remove fish waste, use of biological pond water conditioner (those live good
bacteria thing). what do you think?? do you think it would work??
<Should, but I would add the filter just the same>
I've such a pond with lotus plants and a betta and a handful of wild guppies.
they seem to do very well, plant fish and all. but of course, i can't compared
betta with mollies as betta has the ability to survive in less than desired
water condition.
congrats on going to Pulau Redang. how was it?
<Very nice. Good accommodations there, fine people>
i haven't been there, reason being i can't swim and i can't dive. i had been to
Pulau Tioman but i was told that Redang is much better than Tioman and of course
Pulau Perhentian, also off the Trengganu coast, beats these two islands, hands
down. but if you take it from dive experts, Pulau Layang-layang is the diver's
haven.
<Have heard the same. Am looking forward to visiting these other island groups.>
back to molly, is pot-bellied molly usually very small in size and build
compared to other types of molly?
<Yes, most only 2-3 cm. in length>
do you have a pic of a pot-bellied molly?
<Yes, but not very good. Have posted here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/poeciliids.htm>
would be happy if you can show it to me. my problem here is the fish shop from
where i buy my fish is not that particular about proper labeling of their fish
stock. they usually write it in Chinese, and i think, that is also its local
name, not the standard name. for example, they called platy moonfish. i thought
a moonfish looks exactly like a platy but the shopkeeper insisted it was a
moonfish. i was searching and searching all over for "moonfish" when i came
across a reference that said moonfish is also platy.
<Yes.>
hence my sailfin molly, one with a triangular sail and one with a "rectangular"
sailfin are just referred to "mollies". i learned that the sailfin molly with
the "rectangular" dorsal fin is the Yucatan molly. but i can't remember where i
read this.
will appreciate any more information you can give me.
thanks and regards
Ashley Wong
<Take a look through the wealth of information, references on these Poeciliid
fishes on www.fishbase.org
Bob Fenner>
Re: more info about breeding pattern of mollies, especially around
delivery time
Dear bob,
i want to share my good news with you. one of my mollies had given birth today
and i was right there when it happened. it was around noontime. i had just
changed some of the water and fed them and had just put in another handful of
elodea when i noticed 1 baby fish swimming right past in front.
<Neat!>
right before that, i noticed that the "gravid" are of this particular molly had
become very very translucent (clearish like you said) and it looked as
if it might "split" apart there. soon after that, she started "spouting" out
babies. at that time, there were 3 other tankmates and i quickly took them out
for they started chasing after the babies.
the birthing continued for well over 1 hr. it started around 12.50pm and
finished around maybe 2.50pm. i think it was worth the sunburned i got today
since i was able to observe firsthand the live delivery!!! :-)
<Congratulations>
thank you so much for your timely advice. now i am able to identify another
female with a translucent gravid area (i can even see some dark shapes inside).
i think maybe her time is near too.
<Yes, likely>
there are 16 live healthy babies, 7 eggs (!!!???) and 5 stillborn. why does the
molly deliver eggs if they're not properly formed?
<Perhaps miscarriages, maybe part of the development, aging of this female>
was this caused by not so good conditions that i provide for them? is this
normal??
<Not atypical>
thanks once again.
Ashley Wong
<You're welcome my friend. Bob Fenner>
Livebearing Toothed Carp Questions
i have two platies; one male and one female and i think that the female is
pregnant how can i tell if this is true?
<You will notice this female getting much more round, and the area in front of
its single bottom, midline fin (the anal fin) becoming clearer in color... even
the babies eyes will be visible close to (within days) of giving birth. Do place
some "spawning grass" plant material or plastic equivalent for them to hide
amongst. Bob Fenner>
More info about breeding pattern of mollies, especially around delivery
time
hi there,
i came across your website while looking for material on breeding behaviour of
molly.
<Yikes, I've got to get more on the livebearing fishes on WWM... and soon!>
two days ago i bought 5 fat, very fat female mollies and 1 sailfin molly.
I've read that fat female molly = pregnant molly = babies fry soon.
<Mmm, not necessarily... some are "just fat" and there are varieties like
"Balloon Mollies" that look grossly fat all the time... and an important note:
it's not a good idea to move "very gravid" females... can cause real troubles.
Right about the time of parturition ("birthing"?), the area called the vent
(right after the anal fin below) should become clearish... so much so that you
can actually see the babies eyes.>
i set them up in a large fish bowl complete with some gravel and elodea plant. i
noticed that mollies are happy when given elodea plant to hide around. otherwise
they would be lost and panicky or even sulky.
<Good point>
i kept them under observation whole of day before yesterday and yesterday
morning as i was hoping to catch the birthing in action and to save a few fries.
i kept my fishbowl outdoor and we have tropical climate. i missed the delivery
and saw one live fry and two dead (half-eaten) fries and what looked like two
small round globe of "fish eggs". you know, like those fish roe featured on
Japanese sushi. orange globe with a yellow center. they broke upon touch.
<Yes... good observations. Do agree with your assessment>
i knew then some of the mollies ate the fries.
<Likely>
can you give me some advice on the behavioural pattern of pregnant mollies,
especially around their delivery time? this way i can tell which molly is near
her delivery time, then i can move her to another "maternity ward". i can't keep
watching them every single moment and i don't want fry casualty. however not one
give birth today.
<Hmm, well they do start hiding more right about these times... In actual
practice it's better to under-crowd such fishes, provide plenty of cover as you
have... allow the females to go into the media (Elodea) and release their young
there... There are elaborate breeding traps and such... but as I stated above,
often troubles moving females late in pregnancy>
all except one female mollies have distended large abdomen. the abdomen area
looked stretched. i was told that a female molly can control and delay her
delivery at will. is this true?
<To a certain extent, yes... and even resorb, abort the young under dire
circumstances>
hope you can help me.
thanks
Ashley Wong
Malaysia
<Ah, was just diving in Pulau Redang, Malaysia a couple of months back. Be
chatting. Will try to write a "Mollies Article" and post on the WetWebMedia.com
site for you and others soon. Bob Fenner>
Mickey mouse fish
Hello,
I just bought two Mickey mouse fish. I believe that one is pregnant. Being new
to the fish world, I was wondering what I needed to do to take care of the baby
fish. Do they lay eggs or have babies? Could you please help me.
Wendy
<Ah, congratulations. These fish are livebearers, like guppies if you're
familiar with those (same family). You need to provide enough hiding space for
some of the young to hide... Please read through the various FAQs here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/poeciliidfaqs.htm
re Livebearing fish care.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Mickey mouse fish
I asked you yesterday about pregnant Mickey mouse fish. I have another
question. How long is the fish pregnant before she has her fry? Thanks for your
help.
<You would do well to read more deeply... insert the name "Platy", "Mickey Mouse
Platy", "Xiphophorus maculatus"
in your search engines. How long from what point? A few weeks... Bob Fenner>
Moving Near-Birthing Livebearing Freshwater Fishes
Hi Bob.
I just ran across your web site and have a question. We just purchased and 55
gallon tank and have Danio's Platies Corydora's Guppies and one Betta.
<Keep your eye on the Betta... lest it chew on your male guppies fins>
The Platy that I know to be pregnant is acting totally spastic. (meaning she is
swimming up and down up and down then resting, then repeating the whole thing).
I know when the guppies were going to drop they would lie on the bottom and not
move a whole lot...even to eat. The platies vent is white and looks like it is
dilated, and I can also see the eyes of the fry.
<Ah, good vision, observation>
We just moved her to the 55 gallon and found the next morning in the 15 gallon a
baby that was hers BUT VERY SMALL. I took this as a premature. But she hasn't
dropped anymore. Any help would be wonderful...Thanks
<Hmm, could be this is "all there is"... Maybe the others were stillborn, or
more likely consumed... I would place some live "grass" like plant material or
artificial breeding medium going forward, and/or try moving the pregnant female
to another system well in advance of parturition. Bob Fenner>
Cheri
Re: Moving Near-Birthing Livebearing Freshwater Fishes
Thanks for the fast response! I know I had a guppy that appeared to be
miscarrying (SP) then finally died...poor thing. I'll keep an eye on her. I want
to get some java moss to put in the tank...the plastic stuff that I have seems
to rigid. Again thanks! Cheri
<Agreed all the way around. Please take a look through the "Plant Index" part of
the site: www.WetWebMedia.com for ideas on good "baby hiding plants" like
Anacharis/Elodea, Myriophyllum/Milfoil, and Ceratophyllum/Coontail or Hornwort.
Bob Fenner>
Questions about my guppy fry
Mr. Robert Fenner,
My female guppy has given birth to twelve fry. I had checked a lot of websites
and all the web sites said that i could feed the fry with egg
yolk. Is it true that the fry could eat the egg yolk?
<Hmm, actually the cooked egg yolk is not such a good idea... low acceptability
as you know, too easily sinks and pollutes water... I would try either grinding
some thin flake food between your fingers or in a mortar/pestle or just buy a
dried "fry" food (Tetra makes one for livebearers like guppies, and egg-layers).
There are liquid food preparations as well, but I would stick with a dried one.
Do feed as often as you can (several times daily ideally) very small amounts
(should be mostly consumed, little falling to the bottom. Also, do place some
live plant material here... a type of bunch plant. Please read on our site:
http://wetwebmedia.com/plttks.htm>
If i were to feed them with a piece of flake without tearing it to small pieces,
will the fly be able to eat it? And every time I put food into the tank for
them, they don't seems to eat the food. Why?
<Not familiar, palatable>
Hope that you will e-mail me the answers. Thank you for your help.
<<Be chatting my friend. Bob Fenner>
Swordtail Pregnant?
Hi. I HAD 2 pineapple swordtails. One female and a male. The male died, but
I think my female may be pregnant. It is quite large in size and has a darker
area behind her stomached. In the dark area are small black dots.
<Ah... likely the eyes/pupils of soon to be baby swordtails>
I was wondering if this is the area where you see the babies or if was more near
the head. Its been this way for about 3 days now. My temp. in my tank is 77.
Should it be warmer? How long will it take so I know when to look for the
babies? Thanx.
<Do provide some sort of "breeding grass" (real or artificial), leave the
temperature where it is, and read here re others experiences with livebearers:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/poeciliidfaqs.htm
and the article, link before. Bob Fenner>
Question about mollies
Hi,
My balloon molly gave birth to about 30 babies a week and 4 days ago. Every day
3 or 4 die. There are only 3 babies left now. I had the aquarium water tested by
a local pet store and they said the pH, ammonia, etc was all fine. I keep the
water temperature around 76-78. The babies are in a breeding net with fake
plants, and I feed them several times a day finely crushed up flake food. Do you
know why they are dying or what I could do to keep the remaining 3 alive?
Thank you
Rebecca
<Is this the first "batch" your mollies have had? If so, the first few groups of
young sometimes do poorly. Also, take care not to move your female mollies too
close to giving birth. Please read over others experiences with these mollies,
posted here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/poeciliidfaqs.htm
Bob Fenner>
Those crazy Mollies!
Dear Bob (or fellow expert),
<fellow expert Anthony in your service>
My gosh, I don't know what to do with all these babies! About 5 weeks ago my
'test fish' mollies gave birth to 12 babies. They are growing and look very
healthy, but now that fish has had more babies, and I think there are about 17
new fry.
<Did you know that some young livebearer's can reproduce at 8 weeks old!!!
Perhaps we should find a recipe for mollies... hehe>
My tank is 39 gallons, and set up as brackish. The pet store said they would
take the older ones, but wanted me to let them get a little
bigger so they can sell them. I read that overcrowding can cause the Sailfins
not to fully develop,
<true of most/all fish>
and I think that is one of the most attractive traits of this fish.
<with many fishes this can be partially compensated for by frequent (weekly or
more often) water changes>
How long do you think it will take for these to get a little bigger,
<hard to say... roughly 6-12 weeks with good feeding and frequent water changes>
and now with these new fish is overcrowding an issue yet?
<so very much so>
I sure would love to add other species to the tank, but I feel kind of trapped,
even though I love the mollies. I wish there were a birth control pill I could
just drop in the tank!
<perhaps be content with just a male sailfin>
LOL Your response is always greatly appreciated. I know you must be very busy.
Sue
<with kind regards, Anthony>
Re: Those crazy Mollies!
Thank you Anthony! Your response is GREATLY appreciated!
<you are very welcome>
I will take your advice, and do weekly water changes. I love this hobby, I think
you all do a great service to those of us who are just as excited and
motivated...I hope you're getting paid! (somehow)
<in many different and wonderful ways>
...yeah, does Mollie-lemon-garlic-almandine sound good to you? LOL (with rice,
of course)
<I prefer "freshwater" mollies... I'm watching my sodium intake...hehe>
{sick} just joking.. Thanks again! Sue
<best regards, Anthony>
Livebearing fish babies
How are you?
<Cheers, my friend>
I am Nader Afshar .I am engineer from Iran, I have many guppy and platy and
molly , but I have a problem, my fishes [have babies] every month ,guppy and
platy kids are live but the kids of mollies are sick and dead many of them every
day ,why?
<is there enough salt in the parent's tank? 1.004 on a hydrometer?>
I give them (salt ,antibiotic tetracycline, Gentamycin, moldy vitamins ,and
fresh water and Methylene blue ),
<the Methylene blue can be very harsh on the babies. Reduce or eliminate it
temporarily to see if that doesn't improve survival. Leave all else the same>
I do any work and test very ways but I cannot take positive result , what can I
do ?Is there any drug for this sick?
please help me ,thank you very much, bye
<with kind regards, Anthony>
Balloon Molly Fry
I managed to save one fry from a batch of balloon mollies. Is it supposed to
look totally different from its mother and father, both silver balloon mollies?
It looks black and very thin.
Thanx.
-James Kim
<This is a normal appearance. The young change as they grow, it will likely
develop a into darker, more balloon-shape. Bob Fenner>
Feeder guppies (culture)
Hi Mr. Fenner:
I would like to raise my own feeder guppies for my cichlids.
Could you give me any advice on this topic? Thinking about setting up just a 10
gal tank, but not sure about water parameters and such. Any help would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance.
<Let's see... a bigger tank would be better for production, maintenance...
Frequent partial water changes (twenty percent or so weekly, while gravel
vacuuming the tank... Lots of frequent, small feedings with nutritious foods (a
timer with a dried-food hopper automatically sprinkling a bit ten or more times
a day is a good idea). Some real filamentous plants or artificial "breeding
grass" (wouldn't use breeding "traps" here, too much trouble) to add habitat,
save more of the young from adult predation... Maybe making sure the water is a
bit hard and alkaline, even adding a teaspoon of salt per water change...
Harvesting conscientiously (always leaving a few larger breeding size females,
one or two males of size). This is about "it". Bob Fenner>
Sincerely
Shirley
Breeding Balloon Mollies, Questions
Dear Robert,
<<Not Robert, JasonC filling in while Bob is out diving.>>
I currently have two female balloon mollies, one pure white the other
marble colored, a male balloon molly which is orange and black, and an algae
eater in my 5.5 gallon tank. All the fish are doing well, the pH, nitrite, and
ammonia levels are all at the appropriate levels, and the tank is at a constant
75 degrees F, but it seems that the females are not willing to mate with the
male. Is this normal behavior for balloon mollies? Could there be an explanation
for this reluctance? Thanx.
-James Kim
<<James, I'm going to take a quick guess but also forward your email to a friend
who knows much more about freshwater fish than I do. My guess, and Lorenzo will
tell us both if I am wrong, is that 5.5g is a little small for breeding, and the
pair [if they truly want to be a pair] doesn't feel they've found the right
place to brood. Cheers, J -- >>
Dying baby guppies
My baby guppies get pointed tails and die at about 1 month of age. I've cleaned
my tank and started over many times. This continues to happen... I've been told
this is caused by a high ammonia level in the tank... but it tests out at 0...
no ammonia. Sometimes the babies turn dark in color a day or two before they
die. Any idea what this is, why it happens and how to fix it? I have 3 month old
baby swords in the same tank that are never affected by this. They remain alive
and healthy.
<hmmm.... not a clear symptom but many possibilities. Do consider the diet for
starters... enough protein hopefully? Little or no brine shrimp hopefully? Are
there any other symptoms on the body or with behavior (rapid gilling, clamped
fins)? Do examine the disease section here on WWM or read through Dieter
Untergasser's Handbook of Fish Diseases. Best regards, Anthony>
Pregnant swordtail?
I have a female swordtail that has grown bigger over the last few weeks. I
used to have a male and I saw them mating but he ended up dying. I've looked
around and found out about a "gravid spot,"
<very good!>
or dark triangle, above the anal fin which indicates that the fish is pregnant.
I see this dark triangle, but does it really mean that the fish is pregnant?
<yes... only a gravid female would have it. Swords do breed easily and many
livebearers store sperm and can have several broods more without another
coupling with a male. Best regards, Anthony>
Who wrote this, and is this a livebearer question, or an oviparous
question?
Livebearers gestation 7/10/03
Thanks for the response. how long is the duration period for a female to
keep her egg sack, and what's the time for the eggs being dropped, fertilized
and we get some babies??
<mollies are somewhat longer than other livebearers (matter of weeks, month
plus) depending on water temperature. Goldfish fry will be apparent in less than
two weeks... again depending on water temp.>
Livebearing Fish
How do I tell when a female molly is pregnant and how do I know when it will
give birth <do look over these enclosed links
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/livebearers.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/poeciliids.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mollyfaqs.htm faq's read through
the ones pertaining to birth, good luck with your livebearers, IanB>
Platy Breeding
<Hello.>
I have a platy question. Is it a big deal if platies inbreed and if it is a big
deal could it have health risks? I haven't had to face that problem yet with my
platies but I was just wondering for the future.
<Well, any inbreeding is a concern to some extent, but livebearers especially
are extremely inbred for color, fin shape, etc. The most important thing is
that you avoid breeding fish with obvious undesirable genetic deformities, and
be sure to cull the brood - 'weed out' any misshapen/deformed young. These
culls can be used as food for larger fish. -Sabrina>
Platies
I recently bought a few platies and I was wondering how u tell the
difference between the male and females.
<normally the males are more colorful and have larger more attractive fins. the
females are more drab in their coloration
and have short fins. IanB> thanks <<Mmm, and as livebearing toothed carps with
internal fertilization, the males have modified anal fins (the one underneath
their bodies, behind the "belly"). On males these are tube-shaped and on females
they're fan-shaped in profile. RMF>>
Sexing swordtail fry, molly issues (10/11/03)
<Hi! Ananda here tonight...>
Hi guys, your website has been most resourceful to me in my several months of
fishkeeping.
<Good to hear!>
I set up my fishtank about four months ago and one of my 'starter' swordtails
dropped about 10 babies. Since the tank was still cycling, most of the babies
died, but one tough little thing is still with us. It's about one inch long and
doesn't show any signs of being male (no sword, no gonopodium) but since it is
the only survivor I'm not sure if it would have developed those yet or not. It's
about 3 months old. Is it safe to assume it's a female?
<Not yet...some livebearers mature more quickly than others, even within the
same brood.>
Along the same lines, I just had a drop of 11 Mollies in the last 2 weeks, they
are growing rapidly! However, I have had 3 deaths so far, and I was baffled as
to why. They all seemed to eat well (they are black so I can't see if their
bellies are full as easily as the sword, but they produce little 'threads' on a
regular basis) and their water quality is excellent (no nitrates/trites or
ammonia, neutral PH, temp about 80).
<Neutral pH is actually a little low for mollies; they prefer more alkaline
systems.>
The only things I could think of is that they were in a too brightly lit tank (I
have a triple-tube light in my main tank and the breeder net limits them to the
surface, right underneath it) or that they were in a completely freshwater
environment, so I coaxed them all into a jar and transferred them to the
isolation tank their mother is currently in (my red-tailed shark chases her
around something awful, maybe he thinks she's another shark? I heard they were
territorial with others of their species, but they leave all the other fish
alone)
<My guess is that the red-tail has staked out the entire bottom of the tank as
its territory, and is getting after the molly for intruding...>
Anyways, I have the isolation tank set up as brackish to help her recover from
the stress of being shark-harassed and giving birth.
<Good idea.>
I slowly acclimated the babies to the water, since I figured transferring them
from fresh to brackish rapidly would be hard on them.
<It can be, in part because the marine salt usually used for brackish tanks also
raises the pH.>
Now they are in a breeder net in a brackish tank with some floaty Hygrophila for
shade (the light in the iso tank is dimmer anyway). No deaths in 3 days! Have
I fixed the problem, or is there another environmental factor at fault?
<Mollies often do better in brackish water. Failing that, they should be kept in
a system with a pH above 7.2.>
Also, when will their gender characteristics show up?
<That totally depends on the individual. Even in the same brood, I've had some
show male characteristics at only about three months old, while some waited six
and seven months. Some take even longer. From birth, the majority of the molly's
energy is devoted to growth. At some point, that changes, and the gender
characteristics develop. The longer the gender development is delayed, the
longer the molly will grow as a juvenile, and the bigger the adult fish. The
biggest molly I ever had was one I bought as a "female", when it was probably
about 6-8 months old. It started developing a Sailfin and gonopodium several
months later. He got to be over 4" long (plus tail).>
Thanks for tolerating my rambling,
<No problem! I'll happily ramble on about mollies anytime...>
Andrea
<Best of luck with the fry... --Ananda>
Guppy and platy fry
I recently bought a 50 gallon tank with guppies and red wag platies and I
have babies every where and I don't know how to tell the difference in the fry .
Some are grey and some are gold . please help me! I have a lot of experience
with Guppies but none with Platies. I would greatly appreciate your advice
. Thanks a lot Kennie
>>Dear Kennie; You will have to wait until the fry grow out and get big enough
for you to see what species they are. How long have you had the platies? The
females can give birth to different colored babies, depending on what the father
looked like. Also, livebearers like platies can "hold" sperm from past males,
for example, males in the same tank at the LFS, then the females will give birth
later on. I hope you will have a colorful collection of new babies to brighten
up your tank! You can help the babies by adding some plants, like java fern or
duckweed to your tank, this will give the babies a place to hide from the adults
until they get bigger. Livebearers are pretty good at eating their own young.
Make sure you do regular, partial water changes to keep your fish in good
health. Good luck! -Gwen<<
Freshwater breeding
Hi, this is a great site its really help me a lot. I am fairly new to aquariums
(besides bettas in 1 1/2 gal. bowls) and I have been through a lot of stuff in
my first more or less six months. But now I think I've got a pretty good
understanding of things and my tank has been doing great. And eventually I would
like to try and start breeding fish, could you recommend any fish that don't
require a lot of space (10 gal. at most) are easy to breed, and easy to raise
the fry? I know it sounds kind of specific but I want to start out as slow as
possible to avoid any more fish disasters.
< Look at small live bearers such as guppies and platies. They give birth to
live fry and you won't have to worry about eggs hatching. Just keep lots of
floating plants in the tank for the babies to hide in. They will eat the same
food as the adults you just have to break it up into smaller pieces. Keep the
adults well fed are they will eat their babies.-Chuck> Thanks a lot, Mike
Livebearer sex change
I placed five grown females into a community tank,
> and a month later have four females and a male? Do they morph if no males are
available?
> <Hee hee... females, males of what?
swordtails
<Actually, yes.... this and other livebearing toothed carps (poeciliids) can/do
change their sex in events of disproportionality, need. Bob Fenner>
Fish that had babies in the tank and got sucked up by the filter
Hello, and Thanks.
<Hi and you are welcome. This is Jorie.>
We are new to fish and everything that goes into it. One of the fish gave birth
to some baby fish and I have seen about 7 Tadpoles in the filter. My question is
do I take the filter out and clean the Dead fish off or do I leave them there
until I get ready to clean the tank out in about a week or two.
<First off, I think you probably are speaking of livebearer fry, not tadpoles
(unless you have frogs in the tank!). You absolutely should remove any and all
dead fish, including babies, ASAP, as their decay will pollute the water and
cause spikes in ammonia, nitrite and/or nitrate. Remove the carcasses, clean
the filter, and do a large water change. Are you familiar with the cycling
process of the fish tank? I would suggest a book by the name of "The Simple
Guide to Freshwater Aquariums" by David E. Boruchowitz as an excellent beginning
point...will explaining much that is essential to keeping your new fish happy
and healthy. In general, depending on the size of you tank and how heavily
stocked it is, you will want to do water changes *at least* once per week,
possibly more while the initial phase of cycling is going on (since you've got
fish in there already). I suggest you purchase a water test kit that includes
ammonia, nitrite and nitrate tests, as well as pH...the first three are toxins
incredibly harmful, even fatal, to fish, and if you are measuring any amounts of
any of the three elements at all, you need to do a water change ASAP.>
Thank You for your help. Mr. Poje
<Hope I helped. Do check out that book and feel free to ask any follow up
questions you may have. Jorie> Don's shortest answer ever
I have a tank with swordtails and platy's and I was wondering if different
species of swordtails could breed with other swordtails and the same for
the platy's. Also, can the platy's and swordtails cross breed? <Yes, yes
and yes>
Clint <Don>
My pregnant swordtail
Hi bob <Don here today> could you tell me how long it takes a female to give
birth once she becomes pregnant? thanks
Most live bearers will drop fry every three to six weeks.
My fishes, mainly livebearer questions
Hello Crew,
I just want to say that I think you guys r the best. And I have a few
questions to ask. I have a 20 gallon tank with 9 fish in it. 4 of the fish are
swordtails. I have 1 female red swordtail, 1 female pineapple swordtail, and 2
male pineapple swordtails. I just bought them last week and the female pineapple
swordtail is pregnant. We don't know how long she has been pregnant so we put
her in a breeder just in case she is supposed to have them any day. Will she eat
the babies as she has them and should I be feeding her a little bit more than I
usually do because she is pregnant?
<She may eat some of the young... a good idea to provide a bit of real or faux
"spawning grass" for the young to hide in>
I have another question. In a one gallon tank I have 2 baby mollies. We
got them at a pet store on accident. In the tank I have about an inch of gravel,
a baby hide out, 1 small plant and an under gravel filter. I am also doing water
changes every 2 days that I take out about 1/2 of a jam jar and replace it with
fresh water.
<Good technique>
I am feeding them powdered tropical fish flakes and dried baby brine shrimp. Is
that an O.K. place 4 them. Of course I am going to put them in the 20 gallon
tank when they r big enough.
<Sounds good>
Oh ya and when the swordtail has her babies will the baby mollies eat
the swordtail babies.
<All should get along fine... as long as they're about the same size>
Thanks again 4 all of your help.
Kelsey Meadows Age 12 La Quinta
C.A
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Link between platy fry gender and temperature?
Hi,
<Hello there>
An acquaintance of mine recently mentioned a link between aquarium temperature
and the gender of platies - he believes that his fry ended up all male because
he'd kept his tank too warm.
<Yes, probable... one speculation is the link here and the demise of
dinosaurs...>
I haven't been able to find any references on this topic and was wondering if
you could shed some light: have you heard of this phenomenon, and if so, what
temperature ranges are we talking about?
Thanks,
Joy
<Get thee to a large library! Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/litsrchart.htm
Bob Fenner>
Molly and Guppy?!? 9/3/05
Hi my name is Michelle and I have a 2.5 gallon tank with three albino Corys,
three white cloud fish (2 males and 1 fat female), one female silver molly and
one male blue guppy who is absolutely gorgeous. All of my fish get along just
great and love each other even with the some what cramped space. I got the
albino Corys about 6 months ago, the white cloud fish 4 years ago, the male
guppy 6 months ago and the silver molly 9 months ago. Getting to the point
though I have a problem and was wondering if you could give me a few
answers. About 5 weeks ago I woke up and was about to feed my fish when I
noticed little tiny black slivers of fish darting in and out of a java plant I
have in my tank. There were probably about 10 of them in all. When I realized
that they were baby fish I grabbed my net and managed to save four of them
before my catfish got them. I put the baby fry into a 2 gallon tank my mating
Betta's had been using and as the four fry grew I learned that they had
definitely come from my silver molly because they all look just like her now
only smaller. I thought it was some kind of asexual fish fluke thing at first
because she is the only silver molly in my tank and I had no other way to
explain it. But now, 5 weeks from that incident, tonight I went to feed my fish
again for the night and I noticed the same little black fry in my java plant and
saved 4 of the little guys again and they look just like the first batch of fry
from 5 weeks ago. I looked on some websites and they all pretty much say live
bearers need at least one male and one female to make babies. I know some
females come from pet stores pregnant but I bought her back in early December
2004 and she is just now all of a sudden having babies...WHY?...HOW?
<Mmm, some livebearers, including molly species, are capable of storing sperm in
their reproductive tracts, using it later>
Is there some way the molly and guppy could be mating?
<No... though some crosses do happen (platies and swordtails for instance)>
The male guppy follows her around the tank every where and he isn't aggressive
and never nips or hurts her or other fish he is just very determined to be with
her and only her...does that mean they could be mates or something even though
they are totally different breeds of fish? I know I sound stupid but I am so
confused and never wanted the babies which is why I only got the one guppy and
one molly to begin with since Pet Co told me they breed live young often when in
pairs. How can I make her stop having babies every 5 weeks?
<This will happen over time>
Where can I get rid of these poor little babies?
<Perhaps give them to friends if their parents, guardians agree... trade into
your fish store for credit...>
I feel bad but I no tank room for 8 new silver mollies. PLEASE HELP ME!!!
Michelle
<Thank you for writing. Bob Fenner>
Re: baby livebearers in a net... learning, making up your own mind 9/9/05
I was told by Petsmart employees to leave the babies in the breeding net from
birth until they are 6 months old.
<Uh, no... only should be there until grown past the point of being consumed...>
They are in a breeding net that is in a 10 gallon tank. This aquarium was
given to me about 5 months ago with
fish in it & no filter. Everything that I have done since was on the advice of
Petsmart employees.
<So? What do you think? Think for yourself>
I immediately bought a power filter and have done weekly 10% water changes ( I
use bottled spring water ).
<Not generally necessary, recommended>
The babies were born about two weeks after I got the tank and seemed to be doing
well until now. I was told I would be "lucky" if any survived.
<Why... lucky?>
I went to Pet Supermarket this morning and had the water tested. The pH was
"perfect" and there was no ammonia.
<Mmm, know that ammonia is transient... can, does leave solution... enroute>
I bought aquarium salt and stress coat ( advice given by the employee ) and
used both in the tank this morning. I was told not to give them any more
penicillin. I feed them twice a day with crushed tropical fish flakes ( of
course, they aren't eating for the last four days ). Unfortunately, everyone I
talk to has a different suggestion on how to care for these fish. I want to do
the best thing for these babies and any advice you have would be appreciated!
<... please read... on WWM, books... and make up your own mind. My/our opinions,
experiences are archived here/there. Bob Fenner>
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