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I.D help
I've been seeking a Ctenochaetus flavicauda for about a year now and a friend called saying he got 2 small ones in.  They are both under 3 inches but aren't colored like the adult I had previously which I understand changes with many species as they grow and get adult coloration.  Either way it looks like an interesting and unusual addition to the collection but I hate not knowing exactly what something is.  Tangs aren't my strong point but looking around online the only things I've seen with white tails are odd thompsons and the whitetail bristiletooth.  Any idea what species this is?
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<Looks to be a juvenile C. flavicauda. See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ctenocha.htm
Bob Fenner>

Re: I.D help
Sweet thanks for the quick response.  That's what I was thinking it was but wasn't really familiar with the juvenile coloration and when I poked around on RC got some responses indicating it might not be and I don't like to get new additions unless I know what is is.
<I don't use bb's... even our own. Check through Fishbase.org.
.. BobF>

Can you please identify these fish? 9/13/10
<Hi Mary>
I got this tang from a member or our local club. He states it was sold to him as a ring tailed tang. It does not look like any I have seen in any pictures. He is a brownish grey color with orange spots
[IMG] http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/epwash/DSC_0468.jpg[/IMG]
<This looks to me like a Ctenochaetus striatus>
I was sold this beautiful Angelfish as a Blue Angel. It looks to me as a Queen Angelfish with the tale tell blue spot on top of the head. But just
behind the spot is a fin-like structure that sticks up like a horn. I think this may be some type of hybrid of a Blue and Queen.
<You mean the once-named Townsends Angel? I doubt it. Take a look at Debelius' book though for pictures of such fishes>
Can you please give me some input?
[IMG] http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/epwash/DSC_0463.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG] http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/epwash/DSC_0461.jpg[/IMG]
<This is a Blue Angel, sub adult. Identifying marks are the remnants of the straight lines up the body (not curved as in the Queen), the yellow edges to the rear of the dorsal and anal fins (Queens have blue edges), and finally the body colour is distinctively that of Holacanthus bermudensis.
Both fishes have a crown as you describe. I suspect the 'horn' is an abnormality of some kind, or possibly an injury>
Thanks
Mary
<Simon><<Well done! B>>
Hi Mary,
I sent this reply, but not sure if you got it. If not, then I apologise for the lateness of the reply!
Simon
Re: Can you please identify these fish?
Thank you so much for the reply.
<No problem Mary, I hope it was satisfactory>
I love the web site.
<Me too! I just wish I was able to use the e-mail side of it properly!>
Mary
<Simon>



Tang ID And Writer May Have Been Taken For A Ride 1/16/10
Hi
<Hello Darren>
I am looking for help identifying a tang I bought as a Gold Rim Tang.
Looked up and doesn't really match.
Hope you can help
<I sure can Darren, what you have is a Tomini Tang. You may have been taken to the cleaners depending on what you paid for it, as a 2-3" Gold Rim Tang (Acanthurus nigricans) generally etails for about 70 bucks, while the same 2-3" size in a Tomini Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis) runs around 50 bucks keeping in mind that pricing will vary among etailers.
The Tomini Tang is relatively hardy and a little more disease resistant than the Gold Rim Tang, at least in my opinion/experience.
I have had my Tomini now for close to three years now and it really is a beautiful fish who gladly accepts my offerings of New Life Spectrum Pellet Food, a highly nutritious formula. James (Salty Dog)>
Darren Coughlan

Re Tang ID And Writer May Have Been Taken For A Ride 1/16/10
Thanks,
<You're welcome.>
paid about 25 pounds for when it was a little smaller.
<Mmm, 40 bucks isn't too bad a price considering where you are located.>
Very lively, inquisitive and active.
Happy to know and look forward to looking after it
Quick response genuinely appreciated knowing how many questions you must get.
Keep up the great work.
<Thank you, we will try our best.>
Thanks again,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Darren Coughlan

Re: Unknown Tang 8/29/2009
I finally managed to capture a picture of my elusive little guy, the unknown Tang. Hopefully its clear enough for you to help me identify him. In the pictures that I have attached it appears that he has a hint of blue in his eye and around his mouth and between his mouth and pelvic fins but this isnt visible normally, I think that it might just be an affect of the flash. But the blue trim on the edges of his anal and dorsal fin are there normally.
Thank you once again,
Antonio Ovalles
<Is a juvenile Ctenochaetus sp... Likely either C. strigosus or C. flavicauda. Bob Fenner>

Tang ID Please 09/04/08 Hi Crew, <Hi Campbell, Sorry for the long delay. I had hoped to find a little more info for you, but I came across a lot of roadblocks.> How are we all today? <Well thank you!> I have been looking for a Kole Tang (C. Strigosus) and have been offered one as Kole Tang but I don't think it is a Kole Tang. <I am finding this called an Indian Ocean variant. You can see it in Scott Michael's "Marine Fishes" on page 384. However when checking www.fishbase.org they say that distribution range for Ctenochaetus strigosus is questionable in the Indian Ocean. <<? I've seen, photographed this fish in the Maldives. RMF... but do agree, fishbase.org does not show it any place other than the W. Pacific. RMF>> Perhaps this fish was reclassified, but I'm not finding any info that states such. So, not sure what to tell you other than it is a beautiful fish and if you like it, it would be worth purchasing.> I vaguely remember reading somewhere about a Tang that in it's juvenile stage resembles a Kole but for the life of me I can't find this info again. <I do not think this is a juvenile.> So I was wondering if you could ID this Tang from the attached photo please? <Hope this helps.> Thanks in advance,
<Welcome,>
Campbell
<Mich>

cf. strigosus. RMF
Tang ID Please... C. Strigosus Indian Ocean Variant now C. truncatus Hi Mich, <Hi Campbell,> Thanks for your reply, although I was beginning to think you guys had got lost. :0) <Just lost in cyberspace... Sorry!> Since I emailed you last I have been scouring the Internet and I believe I have found the fish ID. It's appears to be an Indian Gold Ring (C. ) <Does look to be so! http://fishbase.org/Summary/speciesSummary.php?ID=59487&genusname=Ctenochaetus&speciesname=truncatus > and it used to be one of four species in the Strigosus Complex described by Randall in 1995. Although I am not sure what the current status of the Strigosus Complex is but the info I found speaks of the Complex in the past tense. <Thank you for the information. I suspected that something like this could have been the case but had trouble locating info verifying it. I will share this info.> The four fish in the Complex are, or were, C. truncatus, C. cyanocheilus, C. flavicauda and of course C. strigosus <Very good.> I do like the fish and I picked him up yesterday, he really is a beauty. :0) <I would definitely agree with you on that! Enjoy him!> Regards,
Campbell
<Cheers, Mich>

Tang Question, Re: C. truncatus... strigosus complex f' 10/10/08 Dear Mich/Bob, I was reading today's FAQs and saw the posts/pic regarding the Indian Ocean Gold Kole Tang. This is an absolutely beautiful and unique looking fish. Kole Tangs are close to my heart and I had an absolutely gorgeous specimen before my power went off for 5 days while on vacation . . .. I am definitely planning to add another once my tank is stable and re-matures, but I am picky about coloring-- I need one that is a deep shade of maroon, with noticeable stripes and bright yellow rings around the eyes. The problem is that such specimens are hard to come by. Anyway, I digress. I would love to get my hands on the Indian Gold. Do you know if these are commonly available in the trade? <I have never seen it in the trade in the west (only in diving in the Maldives)... Had seen this "species" there and quite a few "color variations" of other Ctenochaetus spp. around the tropical central to west Pacific, I.O. and Red Sea though... On an unrelated note, I am becoming concerned about the subject of my LFS owner's constant rant. He claims that many people anticipate that the East Coast will experience regular rolling power blackouts in the next few years due to population expansion and poor infrastructure. <Mmm, doesn't seem too far-fetched a possibility to me> He claims that reef tanks may be a thing of the past for most people if this prediction comes to fruition because no one will be able to keep a tank alive unless a serious generator is employed. <I suspect, or would press more on the likelihood that such "avocations" (hobbies) will become less common (as they have actually) amongst "middle and lower class" folks period, as a function of our failed/failing economy, loss of personal prerogative (funds) and perhaps a continuing shift (for service companies) to there being a bit more "kinetic art" set ups for wealthy folks, their habits (e.g. expensive restaurants)... Though "pet fish" and "booze" have been pretty much "recession proof" in past years, the current impending depression (devaluation of currency and value of hard assets...) will indeed have a profound effect on our hobby interest> Have you heard about this concern around the Country? <Here and there, speculations> Just curious if those in the know/focusing on the hobby might have heard about/studied this issue? <Mmm, study? Unlike gov't workers... we've got to work... pay for them, their "entitlements" (e.g. lifetime pensions, medical... COLAs... I don't think for long though.> Thanks for your time. Andy <And you for yours. Bob Fenner>

Re: Tang Question 10/10/08 Thanks for the info and thoughts, but I don't know what you mean by your reference to economic woes :-). The DOW is down only 600 points and it's only noon. <Heeeee!> It's a shame that fish isn't available, as it's truly gorgeous. <Mmm, is a very long way away... the cost would likely be prohibitive... but... if there's a "market enough"... I remember (back in the sixties) when fish from the Red Sea were astronomically priced...> The crash of my tank and loss of everything in September (my own economic depression) has given me an opportunity to reevaluate stock/stocking and to reflect on/use all the info/education I have gained from my experiences and your wonderful site. I made some poor choices when I started a year and a half ago, and, although everything did well while they lasted, I am going to take a more practical approach this time. <Ahh!> I've also decided that I am going to go very slowly (letting my tank go fishless for 4 months) and be very picky about my additions. I wouldn't be nearly the hobbyist I am without your help and the info available on WWM, so thanks for that. I look forward to meeting you in April when you visit the Chesapeake Marine Aquaria Society. <I as well> Take care! Andy <And you, BobF>

Tang ID 09/12/08 Thanks to everyone there for providing such a great resource for all of us in this hobby. I am hoping you can help me identify this tang. <Mmm, pretty sure this is a Ctenochaetus flavicauda> Sorry for the photo quality, it was taken at my LFS on my camera phone. I'm trying to research this tang before I possibly purchase it and am not exactly sure what it is. I have looked at many photos, including ones you have here on this site and am still not quite sure I'm finding one that seems to match it with the horizontal lines and white on the tail, maybe due to it's level of maturity vs. the level of maturity of the fish in the photos I'm looking at. <Yes... is young. Looks like a healthy specimen... and this is a "tough" genus> This photo is somewhat overexposed, the tang is actually a fair amount darker. The fish in question is approximately 3" to 4" long. The store has it listed as a black tang and the only other info is that it is possibly from Sri Lanka. Thanks for any help you can provide and for the immeasurable help you already have! Joan
<Welcome! Bob Fenner>

ID on tang 8/14/06 i have been after a Kole tang for a while and was assured that this was a juvenile. <Mmm, I think not> After several attempts at trying to get it identified which has brought about a lot of conflicting advice i am hoping that you can enlighten me thanks Jase <Is a Ctenochaetus, likely a striatus. See here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ctenocha.htm and the coverage of the genus on fishbase.org
Bob Fenner>

Impulse Buying = Gambling, Lucky This Time, Tangs (Ctenochaetus sp.) 10/27/05 Hi <Hi Nicole.> I bought this pretty fish at a pet store but I don't know what it is called! <Nicole, your {Is "you're" - contraction of "you are"} supposed to ask what it is and how to take care of it before you buy it not after. Impulse buys are notorious for getting folks into troubleyou got lucky this time. <<But has the fish??>> You actually ended up with a specimen that is quite hardy and long lived in the right conditions. You have a surgeon fish on your hands, a Kole tang (Ctenochaetus strigosus) to be exact. Read here as to more info on their care: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ctenocha.htm . Keep in mind they are herbivorous and you will need to provide vegetable matter for him such a dried Nori sheets and Spirulina, this specimen will also need at least a 75 gallon tank as an adult with a 90 gallon being preferred.> Please let me know!!! Thank you, Nicole Rubio <You're welcome, and next time be sure to research beforehand, Adam J.> <<How did you know what fish she bought? Marina - Never mind, found it in the deleted folder.>>

Re: Impulse Buying and not Quarantining And the Trouble it Causes (Please Research) 10/28/05 Thank you! <Quite Welcome.> I noticed early this morning that he has this white stringy stuff on his body <Hard to say without a picture, could be Lymphocystis or flukes, look these up via WWM.> I have a small 1 1/2 trigger fish <I hope you know the potential size and behavior of this creature.> that is perfectly fine though. <Are they together, then Im guessing the Kole was not in a quarantine tank. Please read here: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/sp/feature/index.php .> What could I do to get the white stuff off of the Kole tang? <If this is a display tank with other fish I would not medicate it, Adam J.>

Unknown Ctenochaetus Species 7/24/05 Hi crew~ <Aaron> About a month ago my LFS received a tang that the importer had only listed as Unknown Tang Species. Its clearly a variety of Ctenochaetus; its extremely similar to Ctenochaetus strigosus, except it lacks the horizontal pin striping. Instead, the fine spotting that occurs on the face of C. strigosus is spread across the entire body. The color patterns are exactly the same otherwise. I have found one reference to this fish before, but all I could find out is that it was previously classified as C. strigosus, but has since been recognized as a distinct, undescribed species. That's it. So I'm wondering- how do I find out updated information on something like this? <Mmm, Dr. Randall has recently added a few species to this genus, and produced a book on Acanthurids...> I would love to know if it was indeed given a separate name, and if there are defining characteristics other than the pattern, since I know pattern alone is generally a lousy tool in taxonomy. <It is indeed with this genus.> Any suggestions for me? Its a great fish- eats everything that comes near it, and has settled into his tank beautifully, I'd just like to know What he is. Thanks! ~Aaron, Columbus OH <Take a look through fishbase.org, the link there per species to Google Images, here on WWM: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ctenocha.htm and the newest books on the family by Dr. John Randall, and Rudie Kuiter. Bob Fenner>

Re: Unknown Ctenochaetus Species 7/25/05 Hi Bob~ <...> Thanks for the fast response about the oddball tang. The book you mentioned was actually that 1 reference I had found to the fish. Imp not sure how the process of fully describing a species goes, but is there a journal or something you could recommend that may provide updates on matters like this? <You've look at the listing of the 13 species on Fishbase? http://www.fishbase.org/ NomenClature/ScientificNameSearchList.php?crit1_fieldname=SYNONYMS.SynGenus&crit1_fieldtype=CHAR&crit1_ operator=EQUAL&crit1_value=ctenochaetus&crit2_f ieldname=SYNONYMS.SynSpecies&crit2_fieldtype=CHAR&crit2_ operator=contains&crit2_value=&group=summary&backstep=-2 You've looked for Jack's latest?> Sorry to bother again; it (sadly) drives me nuts when I have cases pop up like that where I cant ID an animal or be sure on its proper husbandry. Thanks again, Aaron <You're getting closer to the actual process of discovering, describing new species... BobF>

Re: Unknown Ctenochaetus Species 7/25/05 Right! Thanks for that. I had searched WWM and the net in general, but for whatever reason, missed the fishbase reference. C. truncatus it is! <Ding, ding ding ding! We have a winnah! And named by none other than Jack... in 2001~!> Just realized your from San Diego; Ill be heading there this Tuesday for my first real vacation to Cali. <Mmm, am out tomorrow for the Big Island (HI), elsewise I'd show you about... do try to take in the Birch Aquarium at UC... and the fine public library done to the west of it for that matter> Look forward to seeing the city (and some of the wholesalers up in LA; esp. Aquamarines). Thanks again, Aaron <Cheers, BobF> Unknown tang Hello Bob I was wondering if you could identify my tang if i were to send you a photo or can direct me to somewhere where i can get it identified. <Will try. None other than Dr. John/Jack Randall can be asked to take a look/see...> I do know that he is a juvenile bristle mouth and was told that he may even be an orange lined bristle mouth? Do you have any photos or a website that I can look to to possibly identify him myself. Hope to hear from you soon. Cindy Schultz <We do... use the indices, search tool... for the genus Ctenochaetus... or bristlemouth tangs... Bob Fenner>

Blue-eyed Kole Tang? Hi everyone at WWM, <Hello David> Love the site and recommend it to everyone I see or talk to for that matter. I have recently purchased a new tang. It was labeled to the LFS as Blue-eyed Kole tang. I have yet to find a picture of a juvenile that looks like it. Could you please look at the picture and tell me your opinion. It has the basic body structure of a Kole tang, with the same shape to it's jaw structure and eating habits seem to be similar (he is eating algae from the wall and rocks not food I am feeding) The colors are the main thing, He is brownish red with blue highlights (probably the lighting there ) but has a yellow tail and yellow lower fins. He does have the sturgeon spine on his tail and does seem to be timid as most do at first. I placed him and a Yellow-eyed Kole together in a 55 gallon frag tang to help control algae. The water parameters is Ph 8.0-8.1, Alk is 10 and Calcium is 400 ppm, 0 on nitrate, nitrite, and ammonia. All is good with the health of the animal but I was hoping to see what I could expect as a long term size and care requirement. I can move him to a 160 gallon that I already have running a reef if he grows very large. Thanking you in advance for all the help, You always are the first place I start and usually end up finding all my questions and answers. Thanks David <The genus Ctenochaetus has recently undergone renovation by Dr. John/Jack Randall... with the addition of species. I think what you have here is a C. binotatus, but do take a look on fishbase.org under the genus for your own comparison. Bob Fenner>

Are there two species of "Kole" tangs? one with yellow eyes and one without? <Hmm, nope, just the one, Ctenochaetus strigosus... sometimes C. striatus is mis-sold as the Kole or Yellow eye... article and pix of both at the site: www.wetwebmedia.com> The FSG at my LFS told me that they're the same fish -- when they grow older the yellow around their eyes turns brown? I thought they were two different fish, but of course, maturing color changes are pretty common... ?? <Hmm, to some degree... but age/time not as big a factor in eye color as environmental (foods, feeding, water quality, social issues... ) factors> Furthermore, now that the Kole (?) is established, I'm thinking of adding an Achilles. Comments? <Not a big fan of this species of Acanthurus Surgeons... soft-bodied, and prone to damage, easy susceptibility to disease high... most succumb within a few weeks of capture/shipping from (mainly HI) the wild.> And, here's another Q. Has anyone tried to keep more than one of the SAME species of Centropyge in a tank before? I've a Atlantic cherub pygmy angel in a 155, and I'm thinking of adding a 2nd. <Yep, a few, for ornament and in attempts at establishing breeding harem/communities... for small fishes need BIG spaces (100s of gallons), and a sharp-eyed concerned keeper to prevent world war X problems...> thanks, Paulo <My dos centavos, Bob Fenner>

Ctenochaetus tominiensis or binotatus? (the latter) Thank you so much for providing so many people with help! I am in need of a little assistance also... I recently ordered a Tomini Bristletooth Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis). <Neat! A species I really would like to photograph> When it arrived I was sad to see that it looked nothing like every pictured I'd seen. I checked Dr. Burgess Atlas and it had juv. and adult images that looked totally different. <There is quite a bit of variability in some Bristlemouth Tang species...> The fish I received has blue eyes and a bright yellow tale that is forked. It also has light blue spots ( mostly around it's face but extending threw it's body - almost in rows) with a rust/orange body color. It also has two dark spots above and below it's fins. I sounds just like a blue-eyed or two spot tang! <Yes. Agreed> So after doing some research I sent them an email and told them about the mistake. They sent me a new one without any questions asked. The new one they sent was the same fish! What should I do? Am I wrong? This is a picture of the Tomini http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=16&cat=1875&articleid=2031 as a juv. and this is a picture http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?genusname= as an adult. That website also mentions that it's the "Only species of @Ctenochaetus@ with angular dorsal and anal fins." What does that mean - they all look angular to me... Any ideas? <That these fins are obliquely pointed... in relief... that they look like angles... I think because of the yellow highlights. Take a look at fishbase.org's image here: http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=6016&genusname= A rare species in the trade and wild. Bob Fenner> Thanks so much! -Scott

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