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FAQs about Dwarf Lionfish Systems
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Dwarf Lionfish Adoption?
5/31/09
Dear WWM crew, Hastily I am sending you this query because I have a
dilemma......although you will probably assume this from the email.
< I HAVE noticed that the biggest portion of our emails are in fact
questions ! >
Regardless I have a 28 gal JBJ nano that is almost done cycling. The
ammonia is dropping steadily now and approaching zero. But my question
is this:
First of all I have about 45 lbs of live rock (a lot for a 28 yes but it
was cheaper on wholesale that individual lbs.) is this too much?
< Depends....1 to 1 1/2 lbs of rock per gallon of water are the standard
but the actual density of the rock in question would make an obvious
deference. The idea is to have the maximum amount of rock while still
allowing an optimum amount of water flow. Proper flow being an often
overlooked component to a healthy aquarium.>
Second I hadn't really started planning on what I was going to do with
the tank yet although I had some vague ideas.......
< Wonderful! Proper planning is the first step to success. >
recently a friend of mine has purchased a Dwarf Fuzzy Lion which due to
recent circumstances he is unable to facilitate and is offering me a
free inhabitant. Now the location of the nearest quality pet store is at
least
an hour away and I find lion fish quite entertaining would it be
possible to keep a Dwarf fuzzy in the JBJ Nano? (If it was kept it would
be a singular species in the tank)
< No, I would not recommend keeping a Fuzzy Dwarf in anything thing less
than a 55 gallon. Dwarf Lionfish are very messy animals. Keeping them in
anything smaller would require a real dedication to maintenance and
water quality. Not impossible but not recommended. GA Jenkins >
Re: Dwarf Lionfish Adoption?
5/31/09
WOW! I hadn't included any gratitude in the
previous email so I wanted to take just a little time and say THANK YOU.
This website is bar none the most valuable aquarium resource out there!
Also how amazing I sent my email and within three hours I already had a
completely educated response! So thank you again! Brandon
< You are very welcome! GA Jenkins >
Poor Ruffus, I'm so Distraught.
Lionfish jumping, Lionfish Beh. 4/30/2009
<Hi>
I have had a fuzzy dwarf lion named Ruffus for about six months now, my
sister had him for a year prior to that. I do weekly water changes along
with testing.
<Very good>
Everything has been going VERY well. Normally as soon as the door opens
he's at the glass looking at me like a puppy, literally.
<Not at all uncommon with Lionfish, particularly Fuzzy Dwarfs.>
Tuesday when I came home from work I couldn't find Ruffus in any of his
normal hiding spots. After looking for about 15 min. I started to worry.
I finally found him dead on the floor under the stand.
<Sorry for your loss.>
The tank is covered except for a gap about 2.5" x 2.5" near the filter.
I know this is where he left the tank, but what I don't understand is
why. He was the only fish in it and I've never heard of them jumping.
<Any fish can jump.>
After the clean up I tested everything from salinity to nitrates, and
everything in between even the water temp. and everything is good going
by what I've read from multiple, multiple sources.
<Actual readings would be better, but this will suffice.>
Judging by the fact that he just barely fit through the gap, it almost
seems like he planned it.
<No, it wasn't planned.>
Any ideas what drove my poor Ruffus to suicide?
<Fish do NOT commit suicide. Fish lack the mental capacity to make that
type of decision. It is more likely that your fish saw something by the
filter opening that it interpreted as potential prey and rushed it,
propelling itself out of the water.>
<Mike>
Dwarf Lionfish Minimum Tank Size 4/13/09
First off, congratulations on such a huge compendium of aquarium
information, this site has provided me with endless amounts of help with
my tank.
<Thank you kindly.>
My question for you is odd in that it seems to be answered around every
corner; which would make this easy if all the answers were the same!
<Everyone has an opinion!>
I'm in the process of setting up my second tank, it is a 30 gallon long
(12"H x 12"W x 36"L) and would like to put a lionfish in it.
Despite what a lot of sites claim about the Antennata, I quickly decided
that I was going to have to go with a dwarf.
What I would like to know is; what Lionfish would actually be
comfortable as the only fish in a tank of this size? If it is best for
the fish, I would prefer a Dwarf Zebra Lionfish (mostly for appearance).
Is this tank
big enough?
<No, I suggest at least 50gallons for any of the Dwarf Lions. The
problem being the amount of waste and messy eating habits. If you where
to attempt to keep one in a 30 gallon you would need to do regular ,if
not
weekly, water changes and implore efficient skimming to keep water
quality up.> And what are the minimum tank sizes for the other species?
<As stated above ,50 gallons minimum for any of the Dwarfs. Keeping one
in anything smaller is possible but for the health of the animal not
suggested.> As I said before, every site has an answer, they are all
different, but at least this one we can trust to do what is best for the
fish.
<I hope this helps....Adam Jenkins>
Thank you,
Andrew
Fuzzy Dwarf filtration 2/16/09 Hi Bob, hope your well?
<Thanks Nick... got a ding dang cold that is killing me, other misc.
complaints... but still oh so grateful to be here!> I’m sorry to say
I lost my Eibli angel of 3 years this morning, it was fine last night
then I discovered it dead and covered in hermits this morning. I think
it may be due to me disturbing a large clump of Cyano in the tank, could
this have released toxins? <Yes, possible> My 2 clowns and byno
goby are fine. The eibli was my favourite fish and pretty much the
reason I kept the tank going, I’m now thinking its time for a change.
I’m really keen on keeping Dendrochirus brachypterus <Buy from the
same tank at the same time... males will fight> and was thinking of
going for 1 or 2 plus a Ctenochaetus strigosus to assist with algae /
detritus removal and add some liveliness to the mix. The tanks
75gallon with roughly 40kg LR, Turboflotor 1000 multiSL skimmer and an
eheim 2217 canister used purely for mechanical filtration. I have had to
remove my short lived sump due to the proximity of my flat mates bedroom
to the noisy downpipe! <Do read here re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/pbnoisef5.htm and the linked FAQs files in the
series (above)... there are some real cures to be had here> I would
be removing the goby and clowns and the smaller hermits. My question
is do you think the current filtration plus bi/weekly water changes
would be sufficient to cope with the quantity and sporadic nature of the
lions waste output? <Could be, yes> I would probably feed them 3
times a week. <Let's settle on twice> Everything I’ve read points
to a sump or wet/dry being the way forward but unfortunately this is not
an option for me. Sorry to trouble you yet again! Thanks in
advance Nick <Welcome! BobF>
Lazy fuzzy dwarf lionfish?? 8/29/08 I've read a
ridiculous amount on your website today, but can't really seem to find
the answer to my lionfish. <Understood...can be hard to divine
specific scenarios from general information> I have a 30ga. cube and
58ga. plumbed together with a common sump/fuge. Total water volume~110
gallons. I am running a skimmer, have DSB in display and fuge, and
Chaeto in the fuge. The lionfish is in the 30 cube <Problem>
along with a fairly docile black/white damsel, and a 3" wild caught
Clarkii clown (inherited from another friend). <bigger problem> I
purchased the fish approximately 2 weeks ago. He had been at the LFS for
approximately 2 weeks supposedly eating ghost shrimp like crazy, though
when I was there he didn't like the one already in his "pen" but really
liked the fresh one put in there to show me he was eating. I brought him
home and put him in. I know, I know, I should have set up a QT tank for
him, but figured he was healthy and eating at the store, so he should be
at my house too. He ate the next day for me (more ghost shrimp) and for
several days after that, but yesterday and today hasn't been interested
in food. I've tried ghost shrimp, frozen shrimp, silversides, and baby
SW mollies I have been breeding to feed him (even tried to dangle these
in front of him with a forceps). The LFS keeps their water SG at 1.016
to keep parasites down. Mine is at 1.026. <HUGE change! This
alone could kill a fish if he wasn't slowly brought up...osmotic balance
of cells, lysing of tissue is a serious concern with this kind of
change. Bear in mind a MAXIMUM recommended shift of .002/24hrs> My
other water parameters are adequate (Alk 7dkh, ca 390,
nitrates/nitrites/phosphates=0 mag?). The lion has been coloring up
nicely since coming from the store, but he hasn't eaten recently,
doesn't show interest, and "lays" in the back corner of the tank with
his fins to his side, almost laying on his side. Am I being overly
concerned? <Is due cause for concern> Is there anything I should
do for him? <Carefully move him to a MUCH larger tank. Even a dwarf
lionfish should be in a 75-gallon size footprint. Your little fellow was
terribly shocked by the change in osmotic pressure (Chance of organ
failure in the present future), then is dealing with cramped quarters
and inappropriate roommates. What is happening here is most likely
analogous to curling up in the fetal position to try to escape from a
bad party- while you're dealing with severe stomach flu.> Thanks in
advance. <No problem. Get that little guy in an appropriate home,
watch him closely, and I imagine he'll return to health, provided no
major damage was done by the salinity change. Benjamin> Ryan
Lionfish in a reef... 3/21/07 I plan on adding a
Dwarf Fuzzy Lion to my 75 gallon reef. <Better be careful with small
fish then.> The reef has 260 watts of light. <Have kept
Dendrochirus under this much light before… They don’t do well with
it. They also are not too keen on the high current that this tank will
need.> I am adding SPS, and mushroom corals and maybe some polyps.
<Allelopathy city. Please do research these creatures before
purchase. This will be a highly incompatible mix.> I am going to
add 1 Yellow Tang + Regal Tang, and 1 Copperband Butterfly. <Your
tank is too small for this. The yellow tang can go into a tank this
size, but something larger, say 90 gallons would be better. The Regal
Tang will get WAY too big for this tank. Need a 135 or better for this
fish. The Copperband Butterfly will likely sample the polyps on the SPS
that you mention. Have you researched any of these fish at all?> My
only question is what kind of cleaners could I add that would be safe
with the lion. <Maybe snails.> I know shrimps will be eaten.
<Yep.> Are crabs and snails ok? What about a starfish?
<Snails should be ok. As far as crabs go, you will likely find half of
it later down the road… The half with claws and eyes. The Dendrochirus
might decide to sample the Starfish arms too.> I have a remora
skimmer, an Eheim canister and 2 Emperor 7000 hang ons. Would an anemone
be safe with a pair of mated Perculas? <With what you have mentioned
most likely not. Anemones should not be kept with other corals/things
that they can move around and sting. These are motile invertebrates,
and make no mistake, they WILL move. It is not a matter of if, it is a
matter of when. Please do revise/research your livestock list before
purchasing any of these magnificent animals. You are likely going to
experience a lot of deaths later down the road if you continue with the
plan that you have outlined here. Brandon.>
Keeping Dwarf
Lion Question 12/28/06 Hi there, <Howdy!> My
name is Joe, and my 36 gallon saltwater aquarium has finished
its cycling process, and has sat for a week. I would like to keep a
Dwarf Lion, but doing internet research hasn't given me all much needed
info, or complete info for that. So I have a few questions 1. Will
the dwarf lion work in a FOWLR tank? 30pounds of Live Rock <Mmm, a
FOWLR tank is fine for these fishes... but your tank volume/size is
border-line too small...> 2. I understand he eats most clean-up
crews, but are there any I can add to the tank? Maybe conches, snails,
starfish, etc. If I cannot add any, do you have a suggestion to keep
the tank cleaner of algae and such, other than my own maintenance?
<Best for you to be the clean-up crew... not to place anything that
might be swallowed...> 3. Do you have a suggestion for a good tank
mate, maybe a fish that will possibly help control algae, if no clean up
crew members can be added? <Not for this sized system really...
Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marscavart.htm and the linked files
above> Tank Info Bak Pak 2r up to 60 gallons - Protein Skimmer
and Bio filter 620 SEIO powerhead 200 watt heater 3 inches
of sand, play sand on bottom, Arag sand on top Soon to add 30pounds of
live rock, some fake. Temp- 80 degrees Salinity - 1.022-1.023
Ammonia - 0 Nitrite - 0 Nitrate - 10 (going to do water change
before adding any fish or rock) Thanks <And here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dendrochirus.htm and the linked files
at top... You have a good start going... and appear to be receptive,
intelligent... A little study, prudence... and you will do fine. Bob
Fenner>
- Lion Lighting 8/21/06 - Howdy! <Howdy.> I
have poked around on the site and can't seem to find a direct answer to
my question. My current set up: tank is about 30 gal with around 20# of
LR and live sand, filter is a Penguin 200 bio-wheel, and lighting is an
18" 15 watt 20,000K light - I'm not familiar with this type of marine
lighting (Kelvins and such). I'm looking to keep a single dwarf zebra
lionfish (YAY!), but I'm concerned about the lighting-is it too bright?
<Could be...> I don't want to blind the poor thing but I also don't want
to lose algae. <What algae? Lions don't generally eat it...> Also,
should i "stack" the LR to create caves or do they just hide behind
them? <Caves and ledges are best for lionfish, yes.> Oh, and would I
also need a protein skimmer or will the BioWheel do the trick? <A
skimmer would help with this type of fish.> Thanks guys! <Cheers, J
-- > Lions and Marine Bettas 7/1/06 Hi there
just a quick question. Would a marine betta be O.K. with a zebra
lionfish in a 30 gallon tank. Many thanks. <No, both get too
large for this tank.> <Chris> Lions and
Marine Bettas Part II 7/3/06 Thanks for getting back so quick.
<Sure> Would there be O.K. in a 450L tank as will be upgrading in about
12months? <If you wait until you get the 450 they should be fine
together. However neither will probably make it a year in the 30G tank>
<Chris> Dwarf Lionfish Compatibility etc., Clownfish behavior
- 01/23/2006 Dear Mr. Fenner, I have a 29 gal.
well established eclipse tank that was recently given to me by my
neighbor. Two angelfish dwarf angels came along with it. A Bicolor
and a Coral Beauty. My neighbor had both of these fish for over a year,
and they are very healthy. <Nevertheless, these are incompatible
here> I am planning on putting a dwarf lion in it. <Not a good
idea... too easy for this sized system to become "unbalanced" with such
fish/es> My question is, will the lionfish outgrow the angels. I'm
not really worried about it outgrowing the Bicolor as it is already 4"
but the Coral Beauty is only 3". The two Lions I'm looking at
are the Fuzzy Dwarf (Dendrochirus brachypterus) and the Zebra Lionfish
(D. zebra) My LFS gets in ones that are about 3-5" so I'm
not worried any problems right away. When I was searching the Internet
I couldn't find anything had definitely that a Coral Beauty would be
safe. <Would be in an adequately sized system... at least twice what
you have here> The Bicolor is eventually going to move into a
larger system. I was wondering which lion you would recommend as to
color ease of keeping etc. <Mmm, likely the Zebra... simply for
looks...> They both are about the same price and availability at my
LFS so that isn't an issue. Unfortunately my LFS is a NSLLFS (not so
local, local fish store) and is the only place around that sells
live food to get it eating. I was wondering if live food is
necessary to get them eating. <Sometimes, yes> Ok that's it for
the lionfish questions. Now for just one more question. I also
have a 20 gal. nano reef (which I have written to you about before)
with 3 Ocellaris Clowns which until recently were getting along great
and one Yellow-tailed Blue Damselfish. <... too crowded>
Amazingly the damsel isn't the problem, it's the clowns. I had two of
them that were getting along fine and then the same neighbor gave
us a new one which was in her tank. The new one has been in there for
about 2 months. At first the larger of the two original clowns was
bullying the new one, the new one is slightly larger but they are very
close in size, both are about 1.5" ) then the tables turned about a
week ago. Now the newer one has scared the other large one into
hiding 24/7 or at least 12/7. The third one, the littlest one is only
1" doesn't bother anyone (and isn't bothered). I have been no
serious injury's to either one just a few nipped fins and perhaps a few
missing scales but nothing serious. <You will...> I think part
of the problem may be that they are both females ( I think). <Highly
unlikely> Will they ever stop fighting with each other and get
along or should I remove one of them to another tank (or take it
back to the LFS) Even though there have been no serious injuries I am
worried that it may die of stress/starvation. Thanks for you're
help MDM <I would remove one. Bob Fenner>
6 Inch Lion
Fish in a 10 Gallon Tank, I needn’t say more 12/16/05 Hi
Bob here, <Hi Bob. This is Adam helping you out tonight.> Your
website has been a great source over the years and honestly this is the
first time I've had to email but I need help. <Okay, I’ll see what I
can do.> (Spike) my 6" fuzzy lion has not been doing well lately.
<Sorry to hear that.> I have had him in a 10 gallon <”10
gallons,” Ahem…is this a typo? An animals of this size and waste output
should be in a tank of at least 75 gallons, well skimmed and lots of
water flow. Putting an animal of this size in a 10 gallon tank is like
asking you to live in your closet with no restroom.> for 2 years now
and he has always done well I also feed him silversides every other day.
Recently he has started breathing real fast, has white spots all over,
his eyes are cloudy, and he doesn't move much. <The white spots are
indicative of cryptocaryon irritans, as for the heavy breathing and
cloudy eyes this is indicative of poor water quality. I’m willing to bet
all my Tridacnids (and I don’t do that) , that this tank has some
SERIOUS problems, concerning ammonia and various nutrients to say the
least.> WHAT DO I DO? <50% water changes, several, at least 3 to
4 over the next week, and upgrade or sadly part with Spike ASAP.>
all these things just happened overnight. I really wanna help my little
spike. Help
PLS, BOB <Adam J.>
Minimum tank size for a dwarf lionfish
8/6/05 I bought a 24 Gal Nano Cube that I was going to have for
Saltwater. The only thing I want in there is a fuzzy dwarf lion fish. <
That is a very small tank. But if you plan to have one and only one
fish, you may be okay. > I have been getting mixed opinions on if the
tank is to small and I've decided to ask the experts! < Well that is a
tough call. Personally I wouldn't do it, but I think it can easily be
done. > Would this size tank be fine for him/her? I lied. I also want a
yellowhead Jawfish. Would they be fine together? < Fine together, and
probably okay in that size tank. Too bad you already made the purchase,
as a 55 gal would be much better. > < Blundell > Tank
setup for lionfish Bob, I've really enjoyed reading all of
your comments and I thought that you would be the person to ask about
a setup for lionfish. I am wanting to purchase several larger
aquariums to hold several species of lionfish. Currently I have an
Oceanic 58 with a Fu Man Chu and a Radiata. I know that the Radiata
will outgrow the tank and I'd like to purchase other larger species
as well (Volitans, etc.). I'm thinking that a medium sized tank
(75-100 gallons) as well as one large tank (around 200 gallons) will
support the kinds of lions that I am looking at purchasing (I'd like
to purchase all when young and be able to keep them after they're
full grown). <Sounds good so far> What kind of filtration would
you recommend for these big waste producers? <Big, and vigorous
water movement> I see that you're a big fan of the live rock/Caulerpa
in a sump but with as much waste as the lions produce (and don't
worry--I don't plan on feeding very often or feeding goldfish) would the
amount of live rock that I would have to purchase be cost effective?
<It would help a great deal... but as you infer, much mechanical,
biological and even chemical filtration is necessary as well> I plan
on these being fish-only tanks holding solely lions. If you had to
recommend a wet/dry what company makes a good product? <There are
many... but Clear for life and Tenecor's products I like for being
sturdy> If you think that a sump with rock would be better where
should I purchase it? <I'd make it... think about this... not too
hard to do... any water holding container that's chemically inert would
do as a sump... through-hull fittings...> Currently I have a Tidepool
with Chemi-pure, PolyFilters, and a U.V sterilizer on the 58 and
everything works well (close to non-detectable nitrates with the
water changes). I'm wanting to add a protein skimmer for the 58 and
for the other future setups. I'm leaning toward the needle skimmers
(I've heard really good things about the DAS) or a spray system (like
the AquaC). Which of these two types of skimmers do you recommend?
<The needle wheels are the best present technology> Any particular
brand better than the others? (The Euro-reef knock offs are fabulous
for very large (200+ systems), the Turboflotor 1000 would be fine for
the smaller set-ups> Any particular brands that you would steer clear
of? <Many, too many to relate here> Finally, will there be any
compatibility problems of putting lions of the same species
together? <Not really... just tough finding them (many of the
smaller ones are reclusive) to make sure they're all getting something
to eat...> I've had LFS tell me that they'll all get along well but I
know for a fact that this is not always the case. The Fu Man is my
favorite and I've had several through the years. However, I've noticed
that if you put more than one in a tank they do tend to tear into one
another. I don't believe that this is the case with the larger lions
(I've never had more than one of the larger lions at any one time so I'm
not positive about all species). Can I keep, for example, a group of
Radiatas together? <A few of all species, with the proviso that the
system(s) are big enough> Thanks for all of your help! Michael
Krogman <You're welcome. Bob Fenner > Dwarf Lionfish
Hi, I wrote to you yesterday about stocking a tank and I said my tank
is 20 gallons, but that is UK gallons so it's close to 30 gallons US.
Do you think this is big enough for a dwarf lionfish and a few hermits
to stir the sand?<It would probably be ok. But personally I would
only keep these messy feeders in a minimum aquarium of 45gallons>
Also, where should I position powerheads? I don't want to just
constantly bombard one side of the tank with a heavy current.<I would
just position them towards the other side of the aquarium.>
Thanks.<good luck, IanB> Ari Marks Scorpion fish in a small
home <Good evening, PF with you tonight> Thank you for all
your help. It is a great service you provide. I am in the process of
setting up a FOWLR species tank that will house several Leaffish or
other small scorpionfish and/or a Fu Manchu Lion. I would prefer a
Stonefish, but I know the 29 is too small for this fish long term. I
have successfully kept large Lion's and Groupers for over six years, so
I understand the potential for sting. Anyway, the tank is 29 gallons
and I will use either an 18 gallon sump with a small refugium or a large
spare wet/dry filter and a good protein skimmer. <Well first off, I'd
say get a bigger tank, say a 40L. Even for such animals that are
relatively inactive, the 29g will be awfully crowded. I'd feel even
better with a 55> For these fish would the wet/dry or the
sump/refugium be the better choice? I am concerned about nitrate
control (from past experience) especially since it is such a small
tank. Would I be better off with a DSB of 4" of sugar fine sand in the
main tank or something like Carib Sea, sea floor grade at a depth of
3-4" with a small DSB refugium in the sump? Another thought would be to
use less than an inch of substrate in the main tank with the in sump
refugium? Which would you recommend? I plan to use about 45 lbs. of
LR. <I'm always happy to recommend a refugium, and since you're
skipping corals even Caulerpa (if you ever plan on putting any corals in
there though, skip the Caulerpa and use Chaetomorpha). I assume you'll
use the protein skimmer with either setup. In truth, I'd say use all 3,
overkill can't hurt with these messy eaters. Remember though, that
wet/dries need to be cleaned on a very regular basis. If you do decide
on the 29, I'd say go with the 1" of substrate as it will make cleaning
easier. If the 40L or the 55, go with a DSB. As I said above, a bigger
tank would be #1 on my list, with maybe 10 or so more lbs. of LR, and a
fair amount of long handled equipment so you don't end up a statistic.
Have a good night, PF> Lions in Reefs... I've been
trying to determine everything that I would like to put in my 90 gallon
tank before I even begin the cycling process.<good idea> I've received
some mixed advise about lions and corals.<would not try lions in a 90
gal reef (maybe not a reef aquarium at all)> Would lions nip at mushroom
and polyp corals? <I don't think I would be too concerned with them
consuming corals, the BIG problem with this mix is that lions are heavy
eaters and can make the aquariums water quality deteriorate very
rapidly, and corals are not very tolerant of poor water quality>
Also there is lighting concerns. Thanks to your website, I would
have never known). Would the lighting needed to keep these simple corals
be to much for the lion?<yes, could be.. lions like subdued lighting>
About 3-4 watts per gallon I believe is needed. My last question,
is the dwarf lion the smallest of the species, and would they probably
make a meal out of some yellow head Jawfish.<he would be slurped up, if
the lion could catch him> Provided that the lion is the last fish added
to the tank.<again I would not try this mix, the lion will consume most
small reef fish/shrimps, crabs, etc and they eat A LOT (messy too),
IanB> Dwarf Lion Fish Set Up <Hi, Mike D here> I
was considering setting up a tank I have for a Dwarf lionfish if
possible.<Cool. They are sweet fish> The tank is approximately 35
gallons, and I was planning on only having a single fish in the
tank.<OK, but you could just as easily do a pair.> I have been told
by many people that lionfish are dirty fish<These are Reefers who don't
like fish that aren't pretty little nothings...there are lots of them
and they are all too willing to bad mouth predatory species>, and that
to keep even a single specimen I would want to have a very good skimmer
and a filter as well. Is this accurate?<Ideally, yes. In actuality, of
course not. I don't have a clue where the "dirty " part comes from as
they are among the cleanest of feeders, with dinner sucked in and gone
instantly, no muss, no fuss and no leftovers. Without a skimmer, you'd
be doing weekly small water changes (2-5 gallons), and as with all fish,
a good filter is always a big help. The kicker is that "good" doesn't
mean expensive, complicated or even huge, but rather one capable of
doing the job with the least expense and maintenance. You don't have to
keep up with the Joneses, and in my opinion, who cares how much money
you have invested. It's a fun hobby, not some weird status symbol.>
Laney Dwarf Lionfish Setup #2 Hey everyone at WWM,
love the site, keep up the good work and advice!!! <Thanks. Mike D
here> I e-mailed last week about the possibility of setting up a
lionfish tank for a dwarf lionfish. The tank is as stated, a 35
gallon tank, and the lionfish was going to be the only fish planned for
the tank.<OK> The kind of dwarf lion I was looking at getting is the
Zebra lionfish.<Some are actually gorgeous> I am a member of the Marine
Aquarium Society of Australia (their Sydney branch) and I posted a
message on their website, RTAW (Reefing the Australian Way) and no
matter what I say there, everyone says to me that a single Zebra
lionfish should not be kept in a 30 gallon tank... But I have read in
many places that the minimum size for a Zebra is 30 gallons. I was
planning on having a skimmer (its not a great skimmer, but it skims none
the less) and a HOB wet/dry filter, as well as doing 5-10 gallon weekly
water changes. I am a diligent person when it comes to water
testing, so in that respect, it would be fine.<I agree> I was
planning on having a sand bed of about 1-2 inches (crushed coral/shells)
with some LR, but not too much (enough that the lion can have some
hiding spaces, but would prefer for him to be able to have more swimming
space).<Here's a minor problem. They don't like more swimming space and
if you give him more LR he'll be more secure, less stressed and the tank
will have better filtration. It won't end up "more swimming space", but
rather more wasted space.> The feeding plan (if the lionfish is not
accepting frozen foods) was that I have a 10 gallon tank set up with
damsels in it (most of them were saved from other peoples tanks, or
bought cheap from the LFS) and to feed him those, as opposed to goldfish
or mollies, while slowly weaning him onto frozen foods.<That's fine,
although fish aren't their preferred foods, with the bulk of their diet
made up of shrimp and small cabs, With damsels you're likely to get one
that's too aggressive (remember lions are predatory but NOT aggressive),
whereas with mollies, you get additional food value with good marine
foods, plus they'll help with some algae. Ideally, small ghost shrimp or
marine shrimp would be better by far and the FW vs. SW nutrient problem
isn't as extreme with crustaceans as with fish.> I wasn't going to
have extremely strong lighting, I thought that 2x2 foot NO would be
sufficient, as I read that strong lighting can blind a lionfish.<True,
as they are also largely nocturnal.> So, yeah, that was the plan...
but I have been told by many many people NOT to do it, because the tank
is too small for a single lionfish, though in the previous e-mail I sent
to WWM, I was told it would be possible to have a PAIR of dwarf lions in
a tank that size (not that I would, I only want a single lion).<If you
get them young, I'd see nothing wrong with a pair. While the Zebra DOES
get larger than the Fuzzy, large sizes grown in captivity are rare.>
Anyway, that is about all there is to tell about the planned set up...
what do you think??<If it were me, I'd go for it. sure bigger is always
better, but these aren't adventurous, active fish like wrasses.>
Laney Jacobs Dwarf Lion (1-14-03) I am looking into
setting up a dwarf lionfish tank and would like to have some live rock
with featherduster worms or xmas tree worms. will NO lighting be enough
or should I go stronger? <You will need much stronger for the x-mas
trees but feathers should be just fine as they are mainly filter
feeders.> I don't want to traumatize the lion with bright lights but
want the worms to thrive. thanks for any info you can give me.<My
pleasure! You can also find a ton more info at our site
www.wetwebmedia.com. Cody> Lionfish setup question 1/1/04
hi! I was referred to WetWebMedia.com & I believe so far its the most
helpful site iv ever com across !! thanks so much for all the info u
guys have on that site !! <Glad you are finding WWM to be helpful!>
anyways, for my question. I was thinking of setting up my
tank with a lionfish, (iv read everything on WetWebMedia bout lionfish
already :D ) & wanted to know if the "true"
sized lions e.g. Volitans, have the same temperament as the dwarfs ?
I read that the larger species are more owner responsive & the dwarf
ones aren't at all? is this true ? <It is true that dwarf species
are less interactive, but they are less active in general. Also, dwarfs
are more ambush predators, so they have adapted to "lay low" waiting for
prey to come close. However, they will learn to associate you with the
arrival of food and become more bold and inquisitive.> coz I wasn't
too sure bout which lion to get. but I know that if I got a large
growing lion (Volitans), I could only have it alone in my 40G tank for a
lil while & id have to upgrade the tank. <You are right, if you do
get a full size lion, please do seek out a small specimen and be
prepared to either significantly upgrade the tank or give up the fish
within about a year.> however I might get bored with just 1 fish !
what dwarf species are owner responsive & are very active? as I
think I will probably get a dwarf with a few other colorful fish that
wont be able to fit in its mouth :O <I don't think there will be much
difference from species to species in terms of activity level. Be aware
that these fish can engulf shockingly large prey, and will attempt to
eat fish as large as half their size.> thanks for your time, SHAUN
<Glad to! Please write back if you have more questions. Adam>
20 gallon with Lion? I have a 20 gal. long tank that I'd like to
set up fish-only tank. My wife & I really like Lionfish and are
wondering if this tank would be suitable for any of the lionfish family,
even when it is a full-grown adult? This tank would be the fish's
final home, as my other tank contains too many pets that a lionfish
would likely find to be dessert. Also, can you give me tips on what
Lionfish eat in the wild, as I would prefer to continue that diet
in captivity. Any other tips you could provide me in the care of
lionfish would be greatly appreciated. <<A twenty will get pretty
tight for the most common species of lions (Pterois) offered in the
trade. So I might encourage you to seek out one of the Dwarf species
(either in the same genus or Dendrochirus) and carefully not overfeed
it, and select more than mouthful tankmates to go along with it. Feed
lions sparingly, don't fall into the "feeder trap", that is, stay
away from goldfish as a diet. They are dangerous to the lion's health
and expensive. Pay close attention to frequent partial water changes
as Lions produce a lot of waste. In small volumes (twenty is small),
they can change the water chemistry on their own. Bob Fenner>>
A Dwarf Lion And A Full Plate G'morning, <Good morning, MikeD
here> I had a pair (supposedly matched m/f) of Dendrochirus zebra in
a 125g, and they got along wonderfully for over a year<OK>, but 3 weeks
ago, the one I presumed to be the male just up and died. He was @4"
long, well rounded, no scars or marks (no one bothered him!), and I can
find no particular cause of death.<Many possibilities here, including
old age as all Lionfish are wild caught> Everyone else in the tank (1
pr mand. gobies [reg. breeders]; 1 pr cardinals [constant
breeders]; 3 giant long tent anemones [semi-annual breeders]; 1 each
yellow goby, sailfin blenny, maroon clown [5"!], 4 seahorses [all
females], plus an even half-dozen polyps & Goniopora, and untold numbers
of starfishes and crabs) are all doing swimmingly fine! No fatalities
for almost two years, until this lionfish incident.<That sounds like a
full load, but if they are doing well, don't fix it> This particular
tank is just over 6 years old, with a 2-3" live sand bottom, bioball
filtration and UV sterilizer. Stopped using the red sea protein skimmer
@4 years ago and my life--and that of the tank residents--has been much
happier: the water chemistry is much more stable without it.<This
sometimes happens if the skimmer wasn't properly maintained/adjusted and
the keeper keeps up water changes> Everyone eats live brine shrimp
and live FW guppies<Here's problem #1 as freshwater guppies are NOT
suitable long term food for lionfish and will result in vitamin
deficiencies and fatty build ups> 5 days out of 7. When I have babies in
nursery (almost constantly, one variety or another), they get frozen
baby brine shrimp plus live tiny brine shrimp)<OK. Are you using Selcon
or some other vitamin additive? Brine shrimp alone are famous for being
nutritionally poor in food value>. The nursery is merely a Plexiglas
sheet with holes drilled in it for water flow, stuck in kitty-corner,
with a small sub-pump moving water from the general area into the
sectioned off area, so that their food also ends up in the general
population, as well.<OK> Regular chemical supplements are limited to
Nature brand Reef Former (1/2 oz daily), plus 1 oz per week of Mg and
Sea Alk (also Nature), with the rare gallon of Kalkwasser maybe once a
month or two. I do 20% changes @every 3-4 weeks with RO water, although
I have gone as long as two months between. I keep the salinity at about
.022 +/- .001. There is a great deal of live rock, stacked so that there
are many, many passageways and hiding places; I'd guess there's maybe
100 lbs of rock. It supports a pretty broad variety of Caulerpa and
corals and other growing things, including spiky looking yellow sponges
and flatter orange and red spongiforms. I have more than my fair share
of hair algae, but there are only about 50 hermits in there, and the job
is just too much for them...<Not surprising. The Caulerpa is probably
helping keep nitrates down, but without a skimmer the task is just to
big, thus the hair algae is being fertilized> Ok, finally we're at
the question part: How do I distinguish between male and female dwarf
lions?< Although harder than the Dwarf Fuzzy Lionfish, the males here
too have larger heads and slightly larger pectoral fins. The two species
can tell the sexes of the OTHER species apart and will react to a male
the same as they would to their own kind> Do you think there's enough
room for another lion?<The room probably isn't a problem, but I'd
improve the diet> A friend has a small one, @1-1/2" long, but I'm
hesitating about bringing it home. Will it be a problem if I end up with
2 females?<Two females usually get along without problem> 2 males?<While
not as definite about it as their close relatives, you MAY end up with a
dispute between two males, depending on the individual fish involved>
One large and one small?<Usually this won't create a problem with the
size differences you've given, although to be safe I'd feed the larger
one before introducing the new one. Again, you NEED to improve their
diet though.> Thanks for your advice,<You're welcome> Donna
Valdosta, GA
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