Koran Angel, sick or changing colour 2/26/08 Hello, I must
thank you guys for providing such a helpful site, but I cannot seem
to find the answer to my problem. I have this Koran angel who is
currently in a 10gal quarantine tank. <Mmm, I would be moving
this fish> He was in a 75gal with a 2 inch panther grouper, and a
Picasso trigger. <Mmm... not very compatible...> Since then
his colour has changed from blue to some sort of bleached, white
colour. <I see this> We have been feeding him marine flakes,
brine shrimp, shrimp, mysids shrimp, squid and mussels. The nitrite
is 0.25ppm. <I'd be moving to where this is zero> Could you
please help me with this problem? <Environmental... this fish's
world is sick, unsuitable. Needs to be in better circumstances...
spelled out on WWM. Bob Fenner> |

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Koran Angle
I have a Koran Angle it is about 11/2 in size. I have
had it for over 1 year it has started to lose its color on its face how
should I treat it
>>
Really? A Koran (Pomacanthus semicirculatus)
that you've had for more than a year... and it's only one and a half
inch long?... The color loss is due to either poor water quality, or
more likely in your case, to a lack of nutrition... Make sure the fish
is getting its share of food, twice daily... and soak/treat the food
with a commercial vitamin/iodine prep....
Bob Fenner
Three
weeks ago we purchased a Koran angel from a chain pet store, and
noticed
that this gorgeous fish was in a 20 gallon tank with
four other fish, so we wanted to save it from these horrible conditions.
The Koran's juvenile colors were dull, and we assumed that maybe he was
beginning to change to his adult colors. But after two days in our tank
(65 gallon), his colors became vibrant and he was eating very well. For
the past couple of days, the Koran has stopped eating, his colors have
become dull once again, he has developed some corrosion around his fins,
and his eyes are so glazed they look white. All the levels in the tank
seem to be normal, we did just add a sea anemone and two clownfish, but
all of them seemed to be coexisting fine. We do not want to lose the
Koran, so if you could provide us with any solutions or ideas to what is
ailing him it would be appreciated! We do have two invertebrates in the
tank, but they can be moved to another tank if necessary (The Koran
cannot be moved because of his size in proportion to the other tank).
Please respond immediately, we don't want to lose him.
>>
Unusual... and maybe related to the presence of the anemone... but, if
it were me, and especially if I had no other place to move the animal I
would leave the Koran in the tank it is now and hope for the best...
this species (Pomacanthus semicirculatus) often does seemingly
miraculous turn-arounds... Subdue the lighting for the next few days,
add a biological cleaner organism if you can (my fave, a Lysmata
amboinensis Shrimp) and try to be patient.
Bob Fenner, who's article
on this favorite Indo-Pacific Angelfish can be found archived at the
URL: www.wetwebmedia.com
Angel Questions
Hello again,
<Cheers, Anthony Calfo in your service>
Went to my fish store today
looking for a Koran angel and was informed that the juveniles of this
and other "changing" species don't change into their adult coloration in
captivity. Is this true?
<not true at all... they do change>
I've
done a lot of looking around on these fish and had never heard that
before. They said if you buy one in its juv. coloration it pretty much
stays that way.
<they are very mistaken>
Also, I am following your
advice on being able to place a Koran in a 90 fish only tank. I would
like to know if it is possible to instead place a small (4") Queen angel
in a tank that size in its place. I saw some in the store and find them
hard to resist. The store owner said it would not be a problem at all,
but thought I would again seek your guidance. Thanks again for your
help. Tim
<a 90 gallon is hardly a palace for an adult queen or
Koran, but admittedly it will work for quite a while. They are great and
hardy fishes. best regards, Anthony>
Angelfish Help
<<Hi.>>
Hi, I'll make this as brief as I can. I've been keeping
saltwater for 4 years now. Right now my 1000 gallon has been running for
2 years. The water is great. There's about 700 lbs of live rock, not
much life to the rock except a very large Heteractis crispa. It's home
to 5 Latezonatus Clowns. For the past two years the fish stock has been
the 5 clowns, a juv. Koran Angel bout 5 inch, a 6 in Blue Lined Angel, a
5 in Griffis, a 5 in Scribbled and an 8 in Conspiculatus. 3 Months ago I
added 19 Fathead Anthias, all of which have lived. They mostly hide out
in a cave in the center of the tank except at feeding times. <<According
to Bob, this is pretty normal as these Anthias tend to live under rocks
and overhangs in the wild.>> My Koran has been about half changed to
adult for about a year now since I got it. How long does the change
take? <<Hmm, very good question - I think within a year, but have read
several accounts of this process being arrested in captive Korans. Not
sure there is any hard science as to why this happens.>> From my
pictures it doesn't seem to be changing at all. <<I'm sure with a system
of this size and age, that I won't need to go on a long dissertation on
nutrition, but what little I've seen about this problem is often
anecdotally tied to nutrition; something you might want to consider.>>
Also, anytime a fish ventures to the far left of the tank they basically
get ravaged by the clowns. Is there anyway to stop this? <<No, they do
this in the wild too... "Get away from my anemone.">> My Griffis tail
has become a bit raggedy as a result. I'm thinking of putting a divider
in until I find a home for the clowns. Any other suggestions? <<No, you
have the best solution for that one ;-) >> Thanks
<<You are welcome.
Cheers, J -- >>
Koran Angel Change of Life
Hey again
guys. I wonder if you've been asked this before...I couldn't find an
answer here. How can I tell if my Koran Angel is in the changing process
or if he's sick? The coloration is still bright, but he's starting to
look "smudgy." I don't know if this is cause for concern or if it's time
for him to go toward his adult coloration. All other fish seem fine.
Thanks as always for the input.
Matt
<Hmm, they do look "smudgy"
(muted, lighter toward mid-flanks) as they are changing... If all the
other livestock are okay... I'd assume the fish was just undergoing the
transformation. Bob Fenner>
Waiting for Change... 3/8/03
I know my tank is overstocked and within the next 6 month I have plans
to build a new box that will be about 8 feet by 3 feet by 3 feet or
around 300
gallons I think.<538.5 gallons to be exact... A very large
but nice tank. Will be better for you and your aquatic friends.>
I
do have an oversized sump with an oversized protein skimmer so I am able
to keep my water chemistry under control.<Good good good!> I have had
the Koran Angel about a year now...
when will it change color?<Adult
coloration patterns are attained at a size of six-seven inches plus.
Please see here for more info...
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/koran.htm
Hope this helps and good luck!! Phil>
Hand-caught
semicirculatus acting strangely... survival value?
G'Day
recently i caught a juvenile semicirculatus, about 2cm long (with my
bare hands - no net - how clever am i!) and about 2 weeks later noticed
it suddenly swimming erratically, almost as though it was paralyzed on
one side, swimming towards the surface only to float back to near the
bottom, bumped into my anemone twice during this then came to rest on
its side on the gravel at the back of the tank - this all took about
1-2minutes. I was sure the fish was toast (despite seeming happy, fed &
fat just prior) but gave it a poke - it struggled up and swam feebly to
its favourite hiding spot & hovered - 1 minute later was swimming round
the tank like nothing happened!!??
ever seen anything like this??
has been a month now and fish is as happy as ever!
thanks
Jeremy
<I have heard and discussed the "acting gimpy" survival value of
juvenile fishes with others... as well as the possibility that their
"lack of neurological development" at small sizes, early age might
account for these seemingly odd episodes... Does seem that "acting odd"
might have some survival value... in that predators might not recognize
you as a prey item, or de-select you as one unfit to consume. What do
you think? Bob Fenner>
Semicirculatus behavior... theories
That's an interesting theory - I have a few problems with it though.
1. I chased the fish for 2 hours when catching it and it didn't exhibit
this behaviour.
2. As all good fishermen know, an injured fish is a
tasty fish (to larger fish)
<Not necessarily. I can cite many
examples of predators avoiding prey that is exhibiting odd behavior>
3. Swimming into a large anemone can't be pleasant - my fish did it
twice in a minute.
I'm going to go with the neurological theory.
Maybe he had a transient ischemic event or something??
<Perhaps. Bob
Fenner>
Angelfish size, age, metamorphosis and tiny stars
I have a Koran Angelfish. I have had him for 6 months. He seems to be
growing fairly fast. When do they change to the adult color.....is it
age or size?
<A bit of both... Korans will change at a smaller size
as they grow older... or vice versa>
He is around 3" now.
I also
have had little animals that look like star fish. I have had them for 3
years. I keep on getting more and they are increasing in size. The
biggest ones are 3/8" . Some have 5 legs and some have 6. The legs seems
to get longer as they get bigger. Are they small star fish or is there
another animal that is small the looks similar to starfish?
<Likely
are seastars of sorts. Please review the Seastar ID sections on WWM re>
They are white-cream in color and like to attach themselves to my glass
and live rock.
Thanks,
Cheryl
<Sound like Asterina sp. to
me, Bob Fenner>
Kooky Koran Color Change?
I was
wondering if you could put my mind at rest.
<I'll try! Scott F. here
today!>
I have a Koran angel approximately 4 inches long that has
started to appear a little pink. The nearly black/dark blue areas on the
fish between the white semi circles appear to be fading and becoming
pink all over the fish. The water quality tests for ammonia, nitrite and
pH all appear to be fine, as are the other tank mates. The Koran is
active and behaving normally and eating well. Is it undergoing the
change or should I be concerned?
<At this point, I would not be
overly concerned, provided that the water conditions and overall health
seem to be in order. If the skin appears to be healthy, it may just be a
"variation" on the color change process. Keep water quality high, and
the feedings up...Observe the fish continuously, and be prepared to take
action if it becomes necessary. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
It is
my favorite fish and I wouldn't want anything to happen to it.<With good
water, good food, and careful observation, if something DOES happen,
you'll be ready to intervene before a problem gets out of hand! Regards,
Scott F>
Penalty box for a rambunctious Koran Angel
Hello,
My large juvenile Koran has become so intolerant of new
additions, I've had to take him out of my 180 gallon tank and place him
in the quarantine tank while I acclimate my newbie. In your opinion,
what is an adequate time away from the tank before re-introducing him?
The tank is mainly aggressive, and he's been in charge for four years.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Steve
<About a week should do it... Bob
Fenner>