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Fish Compatibility (Need a big tank!) - 05/03/05 Hi I'm
planning an aquarium for my friend and he would like to house a
Maculosus angelfish, clown trigger, pink-tail trigger, and a harlequin
Tuskfish. Are these fish compatible? Thanks Dinesh Patolia <
Hello Dinesh! If the tank you're planning is at least 400 gallons, then
yes, this mix could work. Do think of their care in the long term, these
fish will reach a foot and more in length, are very robust, and can/will
develop in to real bullies. regards, Eric R. > How Many Are Too
Many? (4/29/05) Hello, <Hi. Steve Allen with you tonight.>
I currently have a 150 gallon fish only tank running. There are six
fish: a yellow tang, volitans lionfish, marine Betta, big-eye
Soldierfish (had him for 5 years and only 4 inches), black dogface
puffer, and a princess parrotfish. I am looking to add, as the final
inhabitants, a trio of squareback Anthias. <These are all big
fish.> Would you recommend this with the fish I currently have?
<Sorry, but no. First, you pretty much have enough big fish for this
size tank already. As they grow, it is unlikely that your filtration can
support more than this healthily. Square-Spots grow to 8". Second,
Anthias can difficult to keep, and Square Spots are among the least
likely to live long in captivity. Thirdly, Anthias do not generally get
along well in groups in the close quarters of an aquarium.> If not,
do you know of any fish you think would do well in the tank? <It is
my opinion that your tank is already full. Check the adult size of each
of the fish you already have and you will understand this too.> If
the Anthias cannot work, how would you feel about a clown or Picasso
triggerfish? Would they be too aggressive? <Clown Triggers
eventually get murderously aggressive and generally should be kept as a
single specimen in a large tank with no tankmates. Picassos are better,
but your tank is too small to add a Trigger to this mix.> Any
information you can offer will be of great help. <I say the wisest
course is to add nothing and let your fish grow. I'm surprised your
Soldierfish is so small after five years. They're supposed to get up to
a foot long. If you really must add one more fish, you might consider
something smaller but spunky, like a Pixy Hawkfish.> Thank you,
Joseph Marano <You're welcome.> Niger Trigger in a 55,
continued Hello all again, <Howdy> Just want to say thanks
for all the advice. The Anthias and Tang found a home with the store I
get my water and supplies from. They are one of three saltwater shops
around, and really seem to work well with their customers. They
are placing the Tang in their reef system and said they will keep him
safe for me. That's how I got the eel. Someone was moving and sold back
their live rock. I came in and by chance got the one rock and he hitched
a ride to my house. I called, told them this eel came out, they said "I
guess you got an added bonus" (no charge really cool). Later they
mention the person forgot he was in there. How anyone could forget
something like that is beyond me. <Happens> I will take all advice
given and will think of adding a refugium to the 55. And stop impulse
buys.......or bankrupt my husband. B- <Sounds good. Bob Fenner>
Big Plans for BIG Fish! Hi, <Hi there! Scott F. here today!>
I have a 200 gallon aquarium and was wondering what you think the better
fish for me would be? I have narrowed it down to a French Angel and a
Clown Trigger. Knowing that both of these fish get very large the tank
will be dedicated to that fish and I won't put anything else in it. What
I am wondering is which is hardier and which is smarter and can be
taught "tricks" easier such as hand feeding? Thanks Adam <Well,
If you are up to the challenge, and have a tank large enough to
accommodate either fish for it's full life span, then I'd be apt to keep
the Trigger. Both fishes require large water volumes to help dilute
their metabolic waste products, but the Queen Angel requires a
tremendous amount of space to accommodate its need to swim over larger
territories. Even a 200 gallon tank would be too small for an adult,
IMO. The Trigger, too, requires a large tank, but may be better suited
to a captive situation. To be quite honest, I am not a proponent of
keeping either one of these brutes in captivity, unless you have an
enormous tank (like hundreds or even thousands of gallons. Others may
disagree with my opinions, but it just isn't right to keep such huge
fish in anything but the largest aquariums available. I admire your
dedication to the fish and your desire to resist adding other species
into the mix, but it may be best to keep smaller versions of the fishes
that you are considering. Best of luck to you! Regards, Scott F.>
Predator vs. Invertebrate -- The Former Eventually Wins in a Tank
(4/28/05) Hello, and thanks in advance for your time and help.
<My pleasure to play a small role.> <<Who are you?>><<Hee! It was
roll!>> I have been reading the FAQs and have learned a great
deal already. <Great to hear.> However, I have not been able to
locate the answer to a couple of questions that I have. These may seem
like no-brainers, but I would really just like a definitive answer.
First, in a tank that contains live rock (with plenty of nooks and
crannies) and aggressive fish such as lions, triggers, and puffers, is
it possible to have shrimp and crabs running around... <No> ...or
are they doomed from the start? <Triggers are shaped the way they
are for a reason--so they can stick their snouts into those nooks and
grab their prey. They also have wickedly sharp teeth and an impressively
strong bite. Many divers and aquarists have learned this the painful
way.> Will they find adequate hiding places amongst the live rock or
just end up being another meal? <Ultimately the latter. My Trigger
managed to kill some crabs I didn't even know were in the tank. I just
found the pieces of shell.> The second question somewhat dovetails on
the first. What are my options for putting in snails, like Astrea or
turbo to help with algae control <Pretty much zero with triggers and
puffers.> ...or other cleaner critters? <Large Brittlestars will
eat detritus, but they may get chomped on here and there.> Will
these end up being a meal as well? <No gastropod or crustacean is
likely to survive for long in the environment you are proposing. In
nature, millions and millions of them are eaten, but they have a hugely
larger volume to escape so some survive to produce billions and billions
of eggs. I'd venture to guess that the rate of survival from fertilized
egg to reproduction is under 1% in nature, but that really is just a
guess.> If the above animals will not be left alive in my tank, what
options do I have for algae control? <The only one that really
works: water changes, nutrient control, etc. The people who rely the
most on animals to "control" algae are often the ones who have the least
success in controlling it. Read more on algae control on WWM.>
Again, thank you. Neil <You're welcome. I hope this helps. It should
save you a lot of money on expensive trigger/puffer foods.><Was/is Steve
Allen> Trigger vs. Puffer (4/25/05) Hello, <Hi. Steve
Allen with you tonight.> I have a 75 gallon tank with a only one
fish and 120 lbs of live rock. It's a 6 inch Picasso Trigger. <Cool>
He's been in there for about 6 months. I saw a pretty solid blue with
some spots Dogface puffer fish. <Nice> It's an XL fish for 129.99.
<Unfortunately, your tank is way too small for a dogface puffer. It
ultimately will need a tank more than twice as big.> Would these two
fish get along or should I just trade the triggerfish in and start over.
<Given enough space, these two fish could live together, but there is
some risk even in a big tank. The Picasso Trigger grows slowly, so you
have some time, but it really ought to be in a 150+ in a few years.> I
got him to cycle my tank but would keep him if I can put another fish in
there with him. <If you don't really want him or cannot meet his tank
size needs, consider trading him in and working with smaller fish that
are appropriate for your tank. Check out Scott Michael's "Marine Fishes"
handbook and add about 20% to his tank size recommendations. That book
also mentions some suitable tankmates.> What are the odds of these 2
fish getting along. <Fair, in a bigger tank.> The dogface puffer is
about one and a half the size of the trigger. Chet <Hope this helps.>
Question regarding compatibility and order of intro.... Hey
Bob! I was hoping you could help me out with my 75-gal FOWLR tank which
is in its early stages. I recently added my first fish, 2 O. clowns,
who are doing great. I'm planning on future additions of: 1
Eibli Dwarf Angel 1 Black and White Bannerfish (poor man's Moorish
Idol) Can you tell me what order should I add these two fish to my
tank? <Either or simultaneously> In addition to those I
would like to add something with tons of color - I was looking for
something bright blue but the only thing I've found so far is
damsels (and I know better than that!) or a blue tang (won't fit in my
tank once you factor in my other fish). Maybe some type of wrasse
or firefish?? Do you have any suggestions? <To keep
reading, investigating, checking your options at your stores... You will
know. Thanks a bunch, you guys are the best! Kat
UV
and Quarantine (4/2/05) I am currently cycling a 52 gallon marine
tank with cocktail shrimps... <Do you plan to eat them? Sorry,
couldn't resist. I am not familiar with an aquarium species referred to
as "cocktail" shrimp. I've only heard of the ones you buy at the grocery
store.> ...and it seems essential that I also have a quarantine tank
(perhaps about 20 gallons). <Yes!> There is a lot of information
on your site on the details of this, and how long to keep fish in there
(21 days on average for trouble to show up). <More precisely, if you
have gone 3-4 weeks without having problems, then it's unlikely that any
will crop up after that.> Many people who have submitted questions
are in damage control scenarios by not using quarantine tank initially,
hoping that an UV sterilizer would help rid of a disease problem in a
display tank (if only it were that simple!) <Hear, hear.> Are
there significant cost effective advantages in having a small UV
sterilizer up and running in a QT from the moment the fish are put in
there for their three week stay in the hope that this may stop any
potential disease outbreak that could develop in the first place?
<UV sterilizers are rather expensive, so I doubt that one could call
them cost-effective in this scenario. That said, I will not deny the
potential benefits of UV--I use one myself on my display tank. Using it
in QT seems better as part of a treatment for infection, rather than as
a "preventive." If infection is noted as part of initial quarantine, one
could consider UV as part of the treatment, but I doubt it is
cost-effective compared with the many relatively inexpensive medications
available.> All the Best. Mike Lomb <Same to you. Steve Allen.>
Too many too soon Hello, I just found this site and I have a
couple of questions.<O.K. maybe I can help.> I am a new hobbyist. I
have a 110 gallon tank and have had it for 6 to 7 months. I have had the
following fish in the tank for that time; 3 stripe damsel, blue velvet
damsel, bluefin damsel, electric blue damsel, Pseudochromis
paccagnellae, sailfin blenny. I also have 2 large corals, and live rock
(12) to be exact to give my fish plenty of places to hide. I have been
told that my tank is doing really well and have had the pink hard algae
all over it.<Coralline algae.> Well my 1st question is that I just added
the following fish; Bicolor angel, coral beauty angel, porcupine puffer,
blue tang, purple tang, yellow tang, cinnamon clown.<WOW!!!> Did I add
to many fish that are going to get large for my tank to handle it.<Yes,
I think you added too many fish and too many too quickly. I would
consider taking some out. The puffer will bother the corals also.> My
second question is am I going to need to give the damsels away since
they are more of an aggressive fish.<I would get rid of some fish
because that is too many for that tank. The damsels would be a good
start along with one or two of the fish you just added.> I have a dual
Bak Pak, a Fluval 404 another dual filter, two heaters to move water.
<The filtration is minimal for that many fish. I would recommend
purchasing a wet/dry filter for that size tank.>Ok, I guess I have one
more question and that is my blue tang is rubbing and I do see on one
side some white on him. Please advise as this is my first tank ever.
Thank You, Kelly <Kelly, your fish blue tang sounds like it is
getting sick. Look up ich on the wetwebmedia site. I would treat the
fish in a quarantine tank and then thin that tank out. Test the water
for quality and do a water change as needed. Good Luck MikeB.>
Raccoon Butterfly Compatibility 12 Aug 2004 I would like to know
what other type of fish and sea life are compatible with the Raccoon
Butterfly- Chaetodon. <Hi Kimberly, MacL here with you. I don't want you
to think I'm dodging your question but the answer to that depends a lot
on what size tank you have. If you are able to give me some more
information we can try to help you a little more.> Thank you in advance
for answering my question Kimberly Burton
- Fish
Compatibility - First, I wanted to thank you for providing such
a wonderful resource. I have learned a lot by visiting your site and
wish this type of resource had been around when I first started in the
hobby. I have a 200 gallon FO saltwater tank with a miniatus grouper
(4-5 inches), a Foxface (3-4 inches), and a clown trigger (3 inches, the
most recent addition). I would like to add one more fish and am
seeking advice about which fish would be most compatible with my bunch,
with special emphasis on fish with reputations for being hardy. I know
the clown trigger has a reputation for being mean and would like to add
another addition while the trigger is still small to increase the
chances of everyone getting along. Likewise, I know groupers can get
rather aggressive too. <Yeah... that and they get large as well.>
Possible fish I've been looking at are the Naso tang, purple tang, and
the harlequin tusk (though a bit unsure because a previous grouper hated
tusks with a vengeance and we recently had a tusk that died). I'm VERY
open to other suggestions and would appreciate any advice you have.
<Hmm... really would shoot for something that would be hard for the
grouper to eat, like a puffer. None of the fish on your wish list will
last any time around that grouper, especially as it gets older.>
Sharon <Cheers, J -- >
Compatibility?
<Hi! Mike D here!> Would a Arothron diadematus Gymnothorax
melatremus Picasso trigger and a blue tang all get along in a 135
gallon tank? <Wow! Now THAT'S a specific question! Possibly is the
best answer I can give you. I'd be worried about putting a moray that
small in a tank with a triggerfish, with the likelihood of it eventually
ending up a "trigger snack" pretty high, IMO ( I DEFINITELY wouldn't try
it without a LOT of LR for the eel to remain hidden in!). Likewise
triggers, puffers and morays can all be messy eaters so good filtration
is a must, and again here, if you stick with normal foods found in an
LFS, the odds for a problem go even higher. For everything on your list
but the tang, I'd never use LFS prepared foods and instead would opt for
a seafood market as my food source> thanks a bunch<You're welcome>
Shrimp & Turbo
Snail Gone Hello. <Hi Jill, MacL here with you tonight> First of
all, Thank You for all the valuable information on your site. You guys
are great! <Glad you think so.> I have a 7 month running 55 gal tank
with excellent water quality. I have had the same inhabitants for over 4
months which consist of: 2 small tank raised percula clowns, 1 lemon
peel angel, 1 large yellow tail blue damsel, 1 blue legged hermit
crab. Until last week, I also had 1 very large turbo snail and 1
cleaner shrimp. Suddenly, within a few days of each other, my shrimp and
turbo snail disappeared! <How strange> I can find no trace or remnants
of either. Is the small blue legged hermit crab suspect? Could it be
the damsel (the most aggressive inhabitant) or angel? <Its possible but
not likely after 4 months, more likely a large ph fluctuation or
something biological. Have you tested your tank?> -
Livestocking and Clown Hosting Choices - Hi Guys <Hello.>
My clown is looking rough. <Uhh oh...> I have a cinnamon clown and have
had it for more than a year. He is housed in a 90 gal reef with a Kole
and blue tang( moving to a 200 gal soon) a royal Gramma, and crabs and
shrimp. I added an elegance coral that he calls home right around the
time he started looking beat up. He also really digs in to the star
polyps growing on rock too. He also has a couple brown spots along his
belly and lower side area. Can the elegance or polyps be stinging him??
<Possible.> Also, the 200 gal I'm going to be setting up for the 2
tangs, they are about 5" long now. What other types of fish can I put
with them?? Id love a Picasso trigger. A clown trigger I would love but
I wont for fear of its unpredictableness. A lion is on the list. What
else would be safe?? <Pretty much anything large enough to either avoid
becoming food or something that isn't a tang.> Joe <Cheers, J -- >
How Many Fish and Anemones can I Put in a 30 Gal? I have a
30-gallon tank with 36” x 12” x 15 deep, excluding the three inches of
Crushed coral and sand mixed together that make up my substrate. For
current and mechanical filtration I have an Aqua Clear 300 filter and a
Maxi Jet 300 power head, in the opposing corner from the filter. The
water parameters are as follows, specific gravity-1.022, temp-80
degrees, pH-8.2-8.4, nitrite and ammonia-0ppm, and a nitrate level of
<10ppm. I use treated tap water to conduct weekly 5-10 gallon water
changes. My tank is about 6 months old (It is my very first saltwater
tank), but I recently had to take it down (5weeks ago) and move it into
my new apartment. I brought all the old substrate with me, and the tank
rapidly zeroed out. Along for the move, was my pair of Percula clowns,
a devil blue damsel, 1 Kenya tree coral, 1 Trachy brain, green star
polyps, mushrooms, various crabs, and snails. All survived the move and
the slight cycle that occurred shortly after. None of my coralline
algae, (attached to the live rock) seemed affected, copepods, feather
dusters, and sand worms abound, and recently a sponge has started taking
over a large piece of my live rock. I recently added a pygmy angel to
the group and everyone seems content. Although, I wonder if I am
slightly overstocked fish wise? << I think you are fine. I too have a
30 gal and that fish load sounds appropriate. >> As for lighting on
my tank I have 1 30 watt actinic blue and 1 30 watt 50/50 10,000k (2
watts per gallon I suppose that comes out to). << This to me is way
under powered for a reef tank. For a fish only tank you are okay. But
in my 30 gal I have two 150 watt halides, and I'm not sure that is
enough light. >> I recently extended my photoperiod to 16 hours and make
use of timers so that the blue actinic is turned on an hour before and
after my 50/50. The Kenya tree coral and my pacific long tentacle
anemone have responded with an increase in coloration. I am wondering
though if my anemone is getting enough light? << I really don't think
so. I would recommend getting him to a different tank, or upgrading
your lights. >> After the move he took only one day to find his new
spot and has stayed there. He extends every day, has lovely dark
green/brown/pink coloring, consumes his food, and yet I have noticed
that sometimes his mouth seems to swell? Until recently, I didn’t
realize his food (frozen shrimp) had to be shredded into small pieces
and I have since corrected the problem. Could that have been the reason
for the pout? << It's possible, and if he looks good, then the advise I
just gave you could be totally wrong. If everything is going fine,
don't change it. >> Also there is a mushroom coral on the piece of rock
across from my anemone (5 inches away) and sometimes his tentacles brush
against it. He seems to be not extending as much and his tentacles
have not been so stringy, probably because he is now getting more to
eat, hopefully not because of the mushroom? If it is the mushroom, is
there a way I can detach it and move it out of the way? << I doubt it is
the mushroom, and worry much about it. You can, however, just cut the
mushroom's stem, and move it to another location.>> I just really
love to watch my pair of Percula clowns rolling in his embrace and I
want him to live. I would like to get another anemone but having read
previous questions I understand that a differing species of anemone
would be a bad Idea. Could I get another Pacific Long Tentacle after I
am sure there is nothing wrong with my other one? << Yes, but the key is
to wait and make sure this anemone is thriving, and has everything it
needs. >> Thank you, for giving your time and answering my questions!
<< You're welcome. >> Regards Jess << Blundell >> Is My
Tank Big Enough For Two Large Angelfish Dear WWM Crew, << Hi
there >> First of all I want to thank Adam Cesnales, and all the
other WWM Crew for always getting beck to me with a quick and helpful
response. << Adam is awesome. Unfortunately you have the other
Adam here tonight. >> I have an opportunity to purchase a "Blue
Girdled Angel" which is exquisite, but I don't know if it will
peacefully co-exist with my "Blue Faced Angel". In addition to the
Blue Faced Angel I also have (in this 437 gal. tank) a Copperband
Butterfly, 12 Green Chromis, a Cleaner Shrimp, a Blue Neon Goby and
lastly , a mated pair of True Percula Clowns. Do you see a problem with
adding the new angel? << Nope I don't. Here is why. 437 gal!!! That
is a big tank. I would have responded differently if you had a 55 gal,
but for me a 437 gal tank is large enough that just about anything (at
least with angels) should be fine. They may snip here and there but if
they are well fed I wouldn't worry. >> Thank you once again, Ron
Allard << When you get them together in that tank, I'd like to see a
picture.>> << Blundell >> Stocking a 135 (7/16/04)
HI <Hi Sharon, MacL here with you today> currently I have a 55 gallon
fish only. I have just upgraded to a 135 gallon. I'd rather have a bunch
of little fish then 3-4 big fish. <Makes sense.> I was hoping on putting
these fish in 1 Scopas tang 2-3 blue tangs some other tang what
do you recommend? <I love all tangs so that's too hard for me to answer>
some type of butterflies maybe auriga or Longfin Bannerfish? <I'm
assuming this would be a fish only tank? Since the butterflies will
munch?> a flame angel a Koran angel maybe some Anthias a
mystery wrasse and a few others what do you think? is this a good
combination? I want mostly peaceful fish no aggressive ones. <As much as
I love the tangs its going to be important for you to think about the
size of tangs when they get full grown. Be aware that at some point
you'll need to find a place to take your full grown fish or they might
outgrow the tank. Speaking from experience here as I keep having to make
bigger tanks to accommodate my tangs. That being said I like your
choices. On the blue tangs are you talking, regal (hippo) tangs,
Atlantic blue tangs, powder blue tangs? These fish all require just a
bit of a different requirements so it might be important to know. Great
info on the site about all of them. The Anthias are going to require
some hiding space so you'll need to create some caverns for them to
retreat too when necessary. Be aware of the sizing of some of the other
animals you have chosen, some Anthias get big, Korans can get huge,
tangs grow. But if you plan your tank knowing they might possibly grow
bigger than the tank you should be okay. Making sure you have
alternative places for them as they grow. Sounds like a lovely tank that
should be very aesthetically pleasing. As for the alternative tangs, I
got to say they are all amazing, but you'd want to pick one that is a
different family than the Scopas and whichever blue you choose to avoid
fights. If you add more than one of a kind get them the same size, add
them together, and have lots of hiding places.> thanks a lot
STOCKING A 135 7/17/04 <Hi Again Sharon, lets take a look.> These
are an updated version of my stocking list for my 135 gallon tank. 3
hippo blue tangs (Hopefully at a small size so they can grow together>
1 Scopas tang <Honestly I'm a tad concerned about the Scopas and the
Kole, they might be a problem> 1 Kole tang 1 flame angel 2
wimple butterflies (Surprised me there, I hadn't heard them called
wimple but only bannerfish.5 plus inches in size each> 2 Auriga
butterflies (7 inches each, would be nice if you could find a true pair
and not just put two together because that might not work.> 1 royal
Gramma 2 Sebae clownfish and 1sixline wrasse is these alright?
also will the hippo tangs be okay in my 55 gallon for 2 weeks? there's a
Scopas tang six line wrasse false percula and dwarf hawkfish in there?
thanks a lot <With the Scopas already in the tank you are taking a risk
putting the hippos' into his territory.> MULTIPLE YELLOW TANGS
IN TANK 7/17/04 Hi guys - fantastic site - very helpful <Thank
you LB, we appreciate that MacL> Two things, firstly I am setting up
a new tank a 5ft x 18inch wide x 24inch high. <Interesting dimensions.
Good swimming room.> I love yellow tangs - would it be possible to
get 3 into this tank? I only plan to have gobies and other small fish
with them. <In my opinion you could put three yellow tangs in the tank.
You'd have to get them very small, about the same size and put them all
in at the same time. They should be okay as they grow but as always be
prepared should they outgrow their tank.> If the yellows are a no go
- would this tank be big enough for an Asfur, Passer or queen angel?
Also which of those three angels is best for captivity? <You might could
put ONE of those angels in the tank. The passer and the queen while some
of the most lovely fish are very aggressive. In my experiences the Asfur
is less aggressive and more suited for a community tank with small fish.
But I have to warn you depending on the small fish, some of them just
might be food for any of the angels. I've seen an Asfur chase small
gobies with intent to eat in an aquarium.> While I'm here my mate's
tank, a standard 3ft, has bad brown algae problems. He has phosphate
sponges in his filter but his skimmer only just handles his tank so if
he get a more powerful skimmer will this help? <A skimmer will help his
tank but there are multiple other things such as cutting back on his
feedings that will help.> Thanks very much for your help.
Tang Compatibility 7/16/04 <Hi Jason, MacL here.> I have a
small/medium Purple tang and was thinking about adding a Powder Brown
Tang. Different body shape and different colors, do you think they
will be ok together? <I have to be honest and tell you that in my
experience purple tangs are hard to add any fish with. They are very
aggressive and they are very competitive. I have to tell you that it can
be done but its taking a huge chance that the purple tang will attach
and even if he doesn't kill the other tang he will keep it so stirred up
it will be vulnerable to ich or other diseases.> All compat. charts say
tangs with other tangs with caution. I kept a Powder Blue with a Yellow
for a good while (lost them to ICH) and they got along beautifully but I
have read the Purple Tangs are more aggressive, what are your thoughts?
<I don't want to tell you it cannot be done but it is taking a chance.
Your best chance for success will be if you get tangs of very marked
size difference. Yes the small one will grow but hopefully not for a
long time and in the meantime they will come to accept each other. The
other thing is to make sure that your tank size is large enough to
handle two adult tangs or be prepared to find them a suitable home as
they grow too large. MacL> JB Fish Compatibility <Hi,
MikeD here> Nothing else in there now but a pair of juvenile
ocellaris, and am hoping to get a royal Gramma soon.<An excellent
choice> The angel would definitely go in last.<For whatever it's worth,
the longer you can go before adding the angel the better. I've found
that if a tank is well stabilized (often right around the one year mark)
the odds of success increase dramatically> I do have a copy of "Marine
Fishes", well-thumbed. thanks again for your invaluable advice!<Our
pleasure. Continued success and enjoyment!> Tang Compatibility
Follow-up 7/17/04 Thanks for the input, I was afraid of
that.......Being that the purple is about 3" to 4", do you think this
would work better with a medium pushing large to large powder brown?
<Personally I would go with a very small tang and provide it LOTS of
hiding places but I have to tell you that for me personally a powder
brown is much to similar to a purple. I think you'd have better luck
with another type of fish other than a powder blue, or one of the types
of powder browns. Also to be very honest powder browns are prone to ich
so quarantine is vital. Good luck! MACL> JB Community Fish
<Hey whaz up> I was regarding a community fish tank that I could put
fish in my 29 gallon. I have 15 pounds of live rock and a jewel fish. I
was going to ask for your opinion on fish and shrimp that would
live with this jewel fish. PS other fish besides damselfish. and one
more question would a flame-angel fish live with this jewel damselfish.
thanks for all your help><I would not add the flame angel to the 29
gallon aquarium. I would try fish like gobies, cardinalfish, Basslets,
Pseudochromis, Chromis, small wrasses, etc., good luck and happy fish
hunting. IanB> Stock List Joe again, just once today
<Cheers Joe, Ryan with you> Here is a fish list for the 200 gal
1-hippo tang 1-kole tang 1-flame angel 1-antennea lion or
volitans lion 1-racoon or other type butterfly 2-maroon clowns
<Yes, it's a nice mix. Good luck, Ryan> is that list do-able??
Questions about Captive Raised fish and their Attitudes Hi,
<Who, me?> I would like to know if a captive reared angelfish tend to
be less aggressive than wild caught juveniles in the long run?
<captive rearing has nothing to do with the price of tea in China...or
reducing typical aggression of a species through early generation
offspring. Just look at so-called "domesticated" cats compared to dogs.
A few thousand years and still they have attitude <wink>. It would take
much more time than our natural life to selectively reduce such
aggression in fish, for example> I know that butterflyfish eat
inverts, but do they eat starfish? <depends on the species and the
starfish in question. Few can harm the non-reef safe thorny starfish
species (chocolate chip, red African, and the like). Reef safe
butterflies (copperband, longnose, etc) will not touch a healthy
starfish... but then all bets are off with my favorite sturdy
butterflyfish species like Raccoons. Kindly, Anthony> Thanks,
Stephanie Itching fingers
(trying difficult marine species) Dear Bob, After my
successful attempts with regal angels and the common wrasse, I have
decided to try my luck with either the pinnatus batfish or the ribbon
eel. <Worthy challenges> I was at the LFS 3 days ago. Decided not
to go for the ribbon as it has to be trained to eat with a feeding stick
(doubt I have the patience) and is an escape artist. (my tank is open
top). Pinnatus is out as I have various other fishes which would
probably outsnatch food. Maybe I would try it when I set up another 30
gallon just for them. The good news (or bad) is that I've got myself
3 Moorish Idols and 2 melon butterflies. Based on your guidelines, I've
chosen these 5 specimens that are active and most importantly, not
overly coloured or darkened (sign of cyanide poisoning). I originally
wanted only 1 Moorish idol but the guy at the LFS (my buddy) convinced
me that 3 is the least I must get as they are schooling fishes. This
is the third day and all 5 are alive and kicking, with the bad news that
most of the copepods, sponges on the live rock and 50% of the green star
polyps are gone. Thank GOD they left the mushrooms and leathers alone.
The Moorish idols are still a bit skittish but all 5 of them have tried
flakes and frozen blood worms but spat them out. I will only consider
successful keeping both these types of fishes only if they are weaned
off and eat either flakes or frozen brine and blood worms. Will keep
you posted but one more note is that I can't help but relate the melon
BF's behaviour to that of the freshwater headstanders. Can't help but
feel a bit guilty as many other aquarist feels that these fishes should
be left alone in the seas. <Guilt is borne of sense of misguided
expectation/s... You expect to do your best, add to the body of
experience in these animals successful captive husbandry... What is
there to be/feel guilty about?> One interesting note also is that the
LFS has the sailfin tang (Desjardin, not veliferum) but from Indonesia
as well as Red Sea. They look similar but the Red Sea's specimen has
wider sails and narrower stripes on the body. It is true or is my eyes
playing tricks and my buddy lying that Desjardin comes from Indonesia
also. <Actually... these are currently considered the same species.
Please see WWM, fishbase.org here. Some geographical variation,
gradation in appearance here... Bob Fenner> Bye. Re: Fish
selection Mr. Fenner, I was hoping for better news, but I
understand what you are saying. The fish I am talking about adding
usually have vast amounts of space on the reef to roam and putting them
in a tiny little tank (125g) would almost spell disaster in every case.
<Yes my friend> It is hard to believe you though that it can't be
done after actually seeing tanks with these fish together in harmony.
<Can be done... with lots of time, potential for disaster... not worth
it in my estimation... it would be wrong to encourage you to try...>
You mentioned a guy named Dave from sea dwelling creatures, I am not
talking about this gentleman at all, I am talking about a relative
newbie to the hobby named Steve. <Ah, "two Salties"!> He had a
few problems here and there, but for the most part, all the fish I
mentioned are still alive and getting along well. I also forgot to
mention the tank of the LFS owner I mentioned. He has a 100g tank with
only about 40-50lbs of LR, and he has the following fish in his tank
(all fish adults, and I have seen the tank in person): red sea emperor,
blueface angel, majestic angel, Naso tang, powder blue tang, Saddleback
b/f, raccoon b/f, auriga b/f, Pakistan b/f, and whiteface b/f.
<Amazing. Reminds me of a eastern seaboard (U.S.) service company years
back that placed a huge number of show fishes (especially angelfishes)
and actually bragged about how many pounds of food they fed these tanks
per month... each system had two skimmers, big swimming pool pumps...
The company is gone.> He says there is no aggression and each fish he
adds he puts a divider in the middle of the tank for about 1-2 weeks and
lets the other fish get used to the new fish by seeing him, but not
being able to attack him. <Good technique> I also just saw another
tank on the net that has the following fish in his 135g tank: 5" French
juv, 3.5" juv emperor, 3" half-black angel, 2.5" clown trigger, 3.5"
niger trigger, 4" yellow tang, 5.5" purple, 3.5" Kole tang, 4" tomato
clown, 3" maroon clown, 6 Chromis, 2 damsels, and a 2.5" cleaner wrasse.
He only has fake corals for hiding which is not hiding places at all,
and has had no problems so far, and his tank has only bee running for 6
months. I saw another tank 150g with the following: 8 adult blonde Naso
male tangs, an adult puffer, adult blue angel, juv French, 2 adult
squirrelfish, adult niger trigger, and a juv Picasso trigger. So if
these people I know have these fish that are supposedly so wrong to keep
together, then why does it work? <Well... aggression is actually
depressed by degrees of overcrowding... and the nefarious effects of
pollution can be countered in a number of ways... filtration, water
changes... But, think... how many folks/trials of overstocking have
resulted in massive losses? These data points are not likely to be
posted.> I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to figure
out from an expert what could make it possible to keep all these fish
together that shouldn't be in such a small area as you say. The one
angel per tank rule is almost obsolete it seems like. <Depends on the
types, sizes of angels, same with systems...> I have seen so many
tanks that have more than one angel and they all get along that it
doesn't even warrant the warning. Granted some angels, some tangs, etc
will just not get along with other fish (queen angels, Sohals,
orange-shoulders, most triggers), but I think with certain precautions
and other things I do not yet know about, you can keep these fish
together. I mean it's pretty obvious you can keep them together, or
these people wouldn't have these tanks full of amazing fish all together
and living together in harmony, right? <Not "harmony" so much as
detente> Or is it just make believe? <No, not make believe... in
the sense that there are indeed situations where whole bunches of life
are jostled together and apparently do fine... but on "average", are
these successes?> And that is what I am trying to find out, what do
you think is the secret these people are using to get these fish to get
along that shouldn't? "More extreme skill... care in selecting specimens
that are small/about the right size for the mix... and being VERY
careful on handling/dipping/quarantining the stock before
introduction... Being in the wholesale side, he can pick through MANY
specimens, picking out ones from locations that you will not likely see
(due to cost)." This statement, I understand the first part, but can you
go into more detail about the "being in the wholesale side..." <Yes.
Looking at dozens, hundreds, possibly thousands of specimens, it is much
easier to "cherry pick" the best ones (point one). Being familiar with
which actual collectors/stations "know what they're doing" and choosing
them... let's say Tony Nahacky in Fiji's Centropyge angels versus anyone
else's there or the same species from Indo., the P.I.... and choosing
those specimens (point two). Knowing which shipments "have trouble" and
will have trouble... due to chilling/overheating, delays... and avoiding
these... even though they're "sent on" to retailers and end-users (i.e.
you)(point three of many such points) What things is this person looking
for when picking through all these specimens that would make them better
suited to getting along. <These insights are posted with the general
and categorical livestock groups coverage posted on WetWebMedia... Help
yourself> What locations will I not likely see that he is picking
these fish from? <Ones that your dealers won't buy from due to the
perception that they're too expensive, there's not enough margin to mark
up the live products from... For instance the Dwarf Angels mentioned
above. A true Lemonpeel from Fiji will likely "land" (all costs
inclusive) at your LFS for fifty dollars, versus thirty or so for an
Indo or P.I. specimen... both can only likely be sold for sixty to
eighty dollars... which one do you think you're more likely to see?>
As you can tell, I AM going to try at least the second angel and
possibly the two difficult tangs. So what I would hope you could do is
let me in on the little secrets of picking out specimens that will have
a better chance of getting along. What sizes I should get. What should I
look for when picking the fish and what locations (behavior, size, etc)?
It is just so hard for me to believe that it can't be done or shouldn't
be done, when I can see it in front of my eyes working. Do you
understand what I am saying? <Yes. What little I know is posted on
WWM or will be with time going by> Why would it work for others but
not Ryan, is it because I am not "skilled" as you say. What does
"skilled" mean, what does it entail. <Knowledge of what
species/specimens should look and behave like when healthy... Of the
better to best sources of locale... of their capture, husbandry, holding
and shipping protocols. Please read:
http://wetwebmedia.com/MarLvSel.htm And consider volunteering,
working at a retail store or "higher up" the chain of supply if possible
(are there distributors in your geographic area?). You will learn much.
It's obvious you have a good mind, are driven to understand...> I am
so committed to having a tank full of fish, but without the help of
experts like yourself, it's a little harder. Thank you for your time
once again and appreciate your honesty. Maybe I'll have to learn a big
mistake on my own, and maybe I'll get lucky. Ryan <You will become
yourself my friend. Believe what you will till experience changes your
mind. Do save these brief messages and review them in a few months. Bob
Fenner> 1st tank livestock selection Saturday's the big
day!!! Tank to be delivered and set-up...finally! The waiting was a good
thing as I have had endless hours to peruse this website and your
incredibly detailed book. In trying to be "conscientious" regarding my
wish list of fish, I would be very grateful to hear your opinion as to
their being a hopefully happy group and not overcrowded . Set-up is a
135g FOWLR (50+lbs) with 7 green Chromis, 5 blue-reef Chromis , 1 false
common clown,3 pyjama & 2 Banggai cardinals, 1 Brazilian or royal
Gramma, algae blenny,1 Scott's Fairy Wrasse,1 Flame Angel & 1 Eiblii
Angel (put in together), 1 regal/hippo tang & 1 yellow or Naso tang.
<The Yellow would be better... Naso's are very active, get quite large.>
( Took a long-time favorite -looking l/n hawkfish off list and replaced
with wrasse ( talk about a lot of choices.) due to concerns of eating
small clean-up crew.) Any input would be greatly appreciated as while I
am feeling a lot better informed (will take it slow in stocking) I don't
have my feet wet yet and practical experience is ultimately the best
info. Thanks so much, Barbara <You are well on your way. This
grouping is fine. Bob Fenner>
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