Replacing MH
bulbs 8/22 08
Hey y'all -- I went through the archives for a bit and found a lot of stuff
about replacing fluorescents with MHs, but not much about this very simple
question. I'm switching new bulbs for year-old bulbs on my 2x175w 10000K rig.
Right now, I run my actinic PCs from 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. and my MHs from 1:30
p.m. to 9:00 p.m. Should I cut an hour off my MHs for 2 weeks or so to acclimate
things (leathers and Zoanthids) to my new bulbs, then return to the normal
schedule? Thanks!
Ed
<You could, I generally just swap the bulbs. Unless you wait way too long to
switch bulbs there should not be a huge shift in intensity or spectrum. A year
out of a 10000K bulb is not too much to ask. Some of the bluer bulbs will shift
more in a shorter time and will need special care in switching or more frequent
replacement. You will be fine. Welcome, Scott V.>
Metal Halide Bulbs Cracking – 08/21/08
I've had some trouble with metal halide HQI double-ended bulbs going out.
They work for a few days and then won't light, and all the 'gas' is gone from
inside the bulb.
<<Unusual…have you contacted the manufacturer re?>>
I am extremely careful about inserting into the lamp holder, even using a
flathead screwdriver and opening the holder to lower in the bulb and then
tightening it back to the bulb (not too tight, just snug).
<<Okay…but do you touch the bulb envelope with your bare fingers? When the bulb
heats up, oils/other contaminates from your skin can cause the bulb to crack>>
Still no success. There are tiny, or sometimes not so tiny, cracks in the bulb
after only a few days.
Do you think this is an issue with the ballasts, or do you think replacing the
lamp holders would solve this problem?
<<If you’re trying to drive 250w bulbs with 400w ballasts then yes, the ballast
may be the problem. Misaligned bulb holders may also be the problem (placing
sideways or torsion stress on the bulbs). If it’s not these, and you’re not
handling with bare hands or otherwise mishandling the bulbs, then I suggest you
turn to the manufacturer for answers/assistance…and maybe even consider
switching>>
Thanks for the help.
<<Regards, EricR>> <Hope all don't mind terribly my kibitzing here: I
encourage all to carefully clean and wipe MH, HQI, in fact, all lamps, on a
"regular" basis... when they're turned off/cool, and going to be off a few
minutes... to remove, prevent differentially cooled/heated areas on their glass
surfaces. BobF>
2 quick questions... HQI lamp sel., Cyano
consumers... 08/06/2008
Guys,
<<And Gals I hope...Andrew with you today>>
Thanks for all the help in the past with my questions. I was wondering what
brand of HQI 250W 14K bulbs you recommend?
<<Regarding recommended HQI bulbs, a few good brands are Current USA, BlueLine
and Iwasaki>>
Are there better ones that last longer or you think are better.
<<All the above mentioned manufactured bulbs I would happily recommend>>
And...........what, if any type of clean-up crew (crabs, snails) eat
Cyanobacteria?
<<using a cleanup crew to tackle Cyano is not overly the best solution. All you
would be doing in a control exercise, not a correcting one. Cyano needs light
and nutrients to grow, also, come consider low flow a partial cause for Cyano.
Fixing this at the root cause is your best option, and syphoning the Cyano out
in the meantime while dealing with it. Please do read more on the bacteria and
its methods of removal. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bluegralgae.htm >>
Thanks, Jeromy
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
MH lights, Bulb stress... . 6/25/08
Hello, I have a simple question (I think).
<Sounds good!>
I have a 3 light system of 250HQI bulbs, my question concerns power
going off and the coming back on within a minute or less. Will this
affect the bulb or fixture in any way? I recall from somewhere that if a
MH light is turned off it should not be turned back on until bulb cools,
but with power surges common in these days I know I must be mistaken.
<Well, the unfortunate truth is that this can cause stress on the bulb
that may result in cracking; in my experience it isn't likely- a power
out/return isn't going to do it, but the information is out there to
keep people from shutting them off and turning them back on repeatedly-
for water changes, reaching in the tank, kicks and giggles, etc.>
Thanks
<No problem>
Mike Winston
<Benjamin>
Broken Metal Halide Bulb 6/19/08
I have a metal halide fixture with 2 250watt HQI double ended bulbs
and 4 50/50 power compact bulbs. I've had it for about 2 months or so
and one day the left HQI bulb didn't fire, upon inspection it was
cracked. So I replaced it and two days later the HQI bulb on the left
side stopped firing and again was cracked, however this time the left
side was attached to the other ballast.
<Yikes!>
I'm worried that something is wrong with the fixture, or that both
ballasts are possibly faulty. These bulbs are expensive and I'd rather
not go through a few more before I can isolate exactly what is wrong. I
suppose its possible these could just be coincidental occurrences, but
I'm hesitant to think that and put in another $60 bulb until I hear
something back from you guys.
<Not too likely a coincidence.>
I did some Google searching this but wasn't able to get any good data
regarding this situation. This question may be better sent to an
electrician but I'm guessing you guys have lots of experience with these
setups and I value your opinion. I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks.
<There are two likely culprits to this. First, if the bulbs get splashed
while they are hot, this will cause them to crack. HQI’s almost always
sit behind a glass shield, so it is likely the sockets are misaligned in
the fixture. If one is twisted a bit out of alignment this puts stress
on the bulb and can cause arcing. I have seen this kind of stress break
quite a few bulbs. The fix is easy, just loosen the socket, put your
bulb in, mark where it is at, take the bulb out and tighten the socket
into place. Do not tighten it with the bulb in, if it twists you have
potentially broken another bulb! Welcome, good luck with this, Scott V.>
MH Bulb Choice 6/10/08
Hey WWM crew,
<Hello Jason!>
Good morning! I have a tank that is clam dominated. Last count I was up
to 24 clams.
<Wow, holy clams!>
I have T. Crocea, T. Maxima, T. Derasa, T. Squamosa, and I'm still on
the hunt for T. Gigas & Hippopus.
<Have a big tank and calcium reactor?>
Its that time to change the MH bulbs. I’m currently running 3 250w MH
with 14k bulbs. I’ve been thinking about several color combos.
I don’t want to use any VHOs, T5, etc. for supplemental lighting.
Here are a couple combo's I've thinking about. Can you give me some
advice and tell me what combo you think would be the best.
1. (2) 10k with 14k in the middle
2. (2) 10k with 20k in the middle
3. (2) 14k with 10k in the middle
4. Or just stick with (3) 14k
Thanks for the help!
Jason
<This really comes down to personal preference. All 10000K bulbs will
give you the best growth, but likely not a color you will like without
actinics. The 20000K bulbs are too blue for my personal taste and do not
provide much usable light when compared to the 10000K bulbs. The 14000K
bulbs fall in the middle of course. Fact of it is, if you are happy with
the 14000K bulbs, stick with them. If you want to experiment do buy one
bulb first (or try out a friends, must be a good friend!) to see if you
like the look. One thing I have seen time and time again is someone with
a successful tank switching bulb spectrum to just end up going back to
the old bulb type. We get used to a certain look and set it as the
standard. One interesting, fun site is
http://www.reeflightinginfo.arvixe.com/.
This site gives you both the
actual color of the bulb along with the PPFD, usable light from the bulb
to your clams, and much other useful information as well. It just helps
you make an informed decision not only on spectrum, but brand of bulbs
to use. Welcome, have fun, Scott V.>
Re: MH Bulb Choice 6/11/08
Scott,
<Hey there Jason!>
Thanks for the info. Right now my tank is 4ft long x 2ft wide x 18 high, 20gal
sump & a 35gal DIY refugium.
I'm actually in the process of getting my new clam tank built (8ft long x 4ft
wide x 18inchs high), new sump (4ftx 2ftx 18in) and also a new big refugium.
<Wow, nice!>
As for calcium reactor I haven't used one yet. I've been topping off with lime
water.
<Whatever works for you and your Ca hungry livestock.>
I test my water every Friday's and all my param.s are always stable and good.
20gal water changes are done every Friday religiously. I've had the tank up and
running for about 1 year now and the clams have been in the tank well over 6
months. Once the new tank is ready I'll have more room to play with and I'll
start picking up some more clams.
<I must admit I am quite jealous. Your system sounds great, clams are the
personal favorite. A large clam tank is a dream of mine. But the wife says one
huge system is enough and I can’t part with my other corals. Go figure.>
Thanks for all the great info! Have a great day..
Jason
<Welcome, enjoy the new system, Scott V.>
New Light Bulbs – 04/25/08
Hej Crew,
<<Goddag, Michael!>>
I am about to change my bulb for my 250 W metal halide lamp.
<<Okay>>
In doing so should I reduce the light hours?
<<Not in my opinion…best to maintain a “full” photoperiod>>
Should I reduce it from the current 8 hours to for instance 5 hours, and
then gradually increase it over a couple of weeks?
<<Nope…better to lay a few layer of fiberglass window screen (or
similar) over the top of the tank and remove a layer every three days.
If such material is not available to you, try raising the height of the
lamp(s) about 6” and the lower it a couple inches at a time (every three
days) until you get back to the “normal” height>>
Thanks,
Michael Fick
Denmark
<<Happy to help. Eric Russell…South Carolina>>
Re: New Light Bulbs – 04/26/08
Hi Eric,
<<Hello Michael>>
Thanks for your reply.
<<Quite welcome, my friend>>
And you have learnt some Danish !!!! Det er godt!!!(That is good).
<<Ah well, the NET is a wonderful tool [grin]>>
Until the next time. Take care Eric.
<<Cheers, Eric Russell>>
P.S. The Linckia is still doing good (If you remember)
<<Ah yes…and excellent to hear. I do hope it continues to prosper. EricR>>
Halide Question
2-25-08
Hi Bob,
<Or Mike, as the case may be>
Hope you and the crew are fine.
<Biostatistics was canceled today, so today is a fine day!>
I have what I think is a short and sweet question. I have a 125 gallon
long reef tank with all different types of corals, SPS, LPS, etc… I am
currently running 15K bulbs. I was looking for a change for ascetic
purposes only by going with 20K bulbs. Would it be OK to change all the
bulbs at one time or would gradually change them every couple day. I
have ( 3 ) 250 watt bulbs.
<Changing them all at once would be fine, because 20k is going to be
less intense, rather than more. Remember, a higher Kelvin temperature
will equate to less PAR, as a reminder>
Thanks in advance,
<Anytime>
Chris
<M. Maddox>
Are Home Center Metal
Halide Bulbs Suitable For Reef Tanks? (Unfortunately…No) – 02/11/08
Hi Everyone,
<<Hello Robert>>
I know the LFS and online order stores make their money selling "fish
specific" products...
<<Yes…>>
My question is, are the 250 watt Phillips metal halide bulbs I can get
at my local Home Depot useable in my reef tank?
<<No…>>
They do not give a Kelvin rating on the box and I don't know if their
light spectrum is of the proper intensity.
<<Mmm, intensity would be fine no doubt…but the Kelvin temperature will
not be. These bulbs will typically have a Kelvin somewhere between 3000K
and 4600K…neither suitable nor attractive. I can’t say why a 10000K bulb
costs 3-4 times as much as a sub-6500K bulb. Perhaps a result of the
“elements” used/required to achieve the higher color temperature…though
I suspect “other” reasons. But the bottom line is that you will have to
bite-the-bullet and pay for the “fish specific” product>>
Thanks,
Robert
<<Happy to share. EricR>>
HQI versus mogul
Differences 1/24/08
Hello, Crew. I hope all is well with you.
<It is, hello Dan.>
I've been doing extensive research concerning MH lighting, specifically
looking at double-ended (DE, HQI) versus single-ended (SE, mogul) bulbs
and fixtures. I hereby proclaim myself "lost" and was wondering if you
guys might be able to offer some bread crumbs leading me back to the
trail.
<Sure.>
My main sources for information have been Reef Central forums, your
FAQs, and then analytical data from Sanjay's site:
http://www.reeflightinginfo.arvixe.com.
<Great site.>
Some things are clear: DE requires a glass shield while SE does not.
Aside from this, I have heard many rumors/generalizations, and I have
systematically invalidated them with Sanjay's data:
Generalization: DE are brighter than SE for the same wattage.
<Yes, but they do also consume more power.>
Result from data: Basically across the board, the SE bulbs have more
PPFD than equivalent (same manufacturer, color temperature, and ballast)
DE bulbs (using a shielded fixture on the DE). This is across
manufacturers, ballasts, and wattages.
<This is something most do not pay attention to, you do generally come
out ahead with an unshielded mogul than a shielded HQI.>
Generalization: SE bulbs are just DE bulbs with an extra shield and a
different mount.
<From a user’s standpoint, yes. The HQI bulbs do fire different, hence
the specialized ballasts for them.>
Result from data: The same bulb (same manufacturer, color temperature,
wattage, and ballast) tends to have a very different spectrum in DE than
than SE. For example, the SE XM 10K bulb has a huge blue spike that the
DE does not.
<Yes, even thought they are manufactured by the same company, they are
entirely different bulbs. You will also notice different spectra in the
bulbs from ballast to ballast.>
Generalization: DE tends to be more "blue" than SE for the same bulb.
<With some manufacturers.>
Result from data: This is inconsistent but there are certainly specific
cases (e.g. the XM 10K above) where the spectral data does not support
this. There seems to be more correlation to ballast type (magnetic
versus electronic) than bulb form factor.
<Hence your labeling generalizations.>
Another consideration is that the "better" reflectors, e.g. LumenArc III
and LumenBright, are much more available for the SE bulbs. The former
only has one fixture, the LumenArc Stealth, for DE bulbs, and the latter
only accept SE bulbs. For SE bulbs there are many more sizes, etc.
<The HQI bulbs are becoming more and more popular, with commensurate
increase in choices.>
Can you guys help me out here? What are your experiences? Ideally I'd
like to do this (buying MH ballasts, bulbs, reflectors) once.
Thanks much!
Dan
<Dan, I have used many types and spectra of bulbs. I currently use mogul
based bulbs for the reasons you listed above. They generally use less
power, run bluer and yield more PPFD (unshielded). That is my choice,
others may advocate for HQI, but both will work fine. Hope this helps
you decide, Scott V.>
Impact of Switching from 20K to
10K Lamps
Reef Lighting 12/19/07
Crew,
I have a SPS dominated mixed reef system. I have been running 250 watt
XM 20K single end bulbs supplemented by two URI Super Actinic 110 watt
VHO bulbs for several years. The lighting runs on a HQI ballast. It is
time to replace my MH bulbs.
I have been satisfied with the overall appearance and growth rate of my
corals. The one area I would like to see improvement in my reds, purples
and pinks. My reds, purple and pinks are not as bright and crisp as I
would like. I am considering trying the 10K bulbs this cycle. I would
not like the yellow hue I read about but thought that perhaps the
actinic supplementation would overcome that issue.
<I've never saw a yellow hue with 10K lamps.>
Do have an opinion and/or a recommendation about this? It would seem I
may address my objective, get even faster growth rates, and not have the
yellow appearance I want to avoid. I like the blue aspects of my
historical lighting but like the rest of you I am always looking to
tweak appearance and performance.
If I make this change to a hotter lamp I assume I need to acclimate the
corals for a period of time. Could I reduce the photoperiod and
gradually increase it or do I need to diffuse the light at first?
I would appreciate your thoughts.
<I personally like the 14K lamps, just enough blue for good color. I use
no supplemental lighting (actinics, etc). If you go with 10K's, along
with using the actinics, you should get a pretty nice color combo. I've
never witnessed any dramatic growth change in corals by switching Kelvin
temperatures as long as the range lies between 10K-20K. The 20K lamps
are too blue for my liking. As far as adjusting the photoperiod, do not
believe this is necessary unless you were going to a higher wattage
lamp, then I would consider doing so.>
Happy holidays,
<And to you. James (Salty Dog)>
Mike
Metal Halide Bulbs...Cheap Is
Cheap! – 11/28/07
I have had my 15000k metal halide bulbs in use for about 10 months and it
seems that the spectrum is getting more on the red side, especially on one of
them.
<<Some spectral shift is expected...though quality bulbs should last a longer
than this before the change would be visible to the “human” eye>>
The diatoms and red slime algae has been getting progressively worse and more so
on the side with the redder bulb.
<<And likely more than “lighting” attributed to this. Do ensure water
quality/water flow is up to par>>
I was wondering how long a metal halide bulb should last.
<<All metal halide bulbs will experience some spectral shift and loss of PAR
over time...but there has been speculation/anecdotal proof that a quality
manufactured bulb can remain useful for as long as two years. It’s also been
surmised that the lower Kelvin-temperature bulbs remain “good” longer than the
higher Kelvin-temperature bulbs. Then of course, there’s the Mogul vs. DE debate
with the latter usually coming out on top in the “useful lifespan” argument as
well. You should draw your own conclusions, but I tend to keep my Ushio made
10000K DE bulbs for 14-18 months before seeking replacement>>
Also, does the quality of the bulb vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, or
are they all relatively the same in terms on quality and life expectancy.
<<There can be WIDE deviations in quality/life expectancy between manufacturers.
Beware the “bargain basement” bulbs...I have heard tales of some real “crap”
being offered>>
I only ask because there seems to be pretty dramatic price differences based on
brand (i.e. $20/bulb on eBay vs. $65/bulb for Coralife).
<<Indeed... Discounts/sales can be found from time to time among the high-end
bulb manufacturers...but more often than not, you get what you pay for>>
In terms of light acclimation, I was planning on cutting the photoperiod down
50% and gradually incrementing it back over the course of 7-10 days. Should this
be adequate?
<<Not really, you need to temper the intensity (and not reduce the
photo-period). I suggest the “fiberglass screen” method or if possible, increase
the distance of the lights from the water’s surface and gradually lower over the
course of 7-10 days. Please see here and among the links in blue for these and
other strategies for lighting acclimation: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/acclimcrllgtfaqs.htm>>
Thanks guys!
<<Happy to assist. EricR>>
150W lighting
11/15/07
Greetings WWM crew!
<Hello Jeff and Lisa!>
I've used the search function and read through multiple questions on the
use of 150w de bulbs, but felt I needed confirmation on my suspicions
before I purchased a lighting system.
<Researching first will save much headache and money later.>
My tank is 48"x24"x 20" tall (shallow 100g). I'll probably go with a 1"
crushed coral/sand bed for aesthetics (and likely a RDSB for nitrate
control).
I'd like to keep Acropora in the top 1/3 of the tank, Montipora,
Echinophyllia and Favites in the middle third and maybe a Galaxea and/or
Fungia on the bottom.
My plan is to use 10000K 150w DE bulbs (hopefully retrofitted into mini
Lumenarc reflectors) flanked on each side by 2- 54w T5s (2 actinics for
dusk-dawn, and 2 Blue plus). I'm also flirting with the idea of having
the 150s on a light mover to provide subtle variations in the angle of
the light.
I'm fairly certain that this config will be sufficient for the
aforementioned livestock, but I wonder if it would be flexible enough to
allow me to keep an anemone or possible a lower light requirement clam
(like Squamosa or Deresa) if I developed a hankerin' ;)
<This lighting system will be fine for what you plan. It is more than
sufficient to sustain these corals and even a clam as the water column
will be less than 18" after displacement. An increase in photoperiod
(time lights are on) will compensate for any shortcomings in PAR from
the lower watt bulbs. Generally, 250w metal halides are the norm with
PAR readings varying between 300PAR to 500PAR within the first 15" of
the water's surface. Your lighting system will be producing between
250PAR-400PAR depending on which bulb you choose.
Bulb choices are mainly of aesthetics. 6500k lamps grow corals faster
but look yellow. 10000k grow very well, but look white. 14000k and up
look blue, have shorter bulb life, and do not offer the same growth
rates. Because of your supplemental actinic lighting I would recommend a
10000k or 6500k lamp.>
Thanks for your contributions to the hobby!
Jeff
<Hope this helps, Rich...aka...Mr. Firemouth>
Re: 150W lighting - 11/26/07
Thanks for the reply. I've got a follow-up question. After investigating
Sanjay's lighting site it appears that most of the 150w de bulbs draw 200w when
run on the HQI ballast. Since the PAR values are much lower on eballasts for the
150w bulbs, it seems like I would get better efficiency by using a 175w system
(they draw around 175w and most produce more PAR than the 150 watters which are
drawing 200w). I guess the only downside is the somewhat limited choice in
bulbs.
Your thoughts?
Thanks again.
<You have effectively answered your own question dead on! The only real reason
not to use the 175w is bulb availability and diversity. For that reason the 250w
lamps are the most popular in the Metal Halide arena. Higher PAR and more
choices. Being that you have an interest in Acropora I would prefer to see you
use the 250w if you plan to upgrade. These would keep the clams happy as well.
Good luck with your choice-Rich...aka...Mr. Firemouth
Optimum MH Lighting
Color? – 10/22/07
Dear Crew,
<<Hello Russell>>
I have a two year old 75 gal tank with 2 X 250watt MH 20K lights (15
inches off the surface) stocked with a half dozen Acro corals and a
Crocea clam (also have a pair of clowns, some zoo's, a shrimp and the
usual cleaning critters).
<<Okay>>
My system was originally stocked with softies but I've totally switched
over to hard corals. Water parameters are stable with my Geo calcium
reactor (Ca=400, dKH=11.2,
Nitrate=not detected). I do a RO/DI 10 gal water change with Red Sea
salt about 3 times a month. There's ample water flow from multiple
powerheads (about 700 gal per hour).
I am looking to optimize my system to promote hard coral and clam
growth. My LFS (who sold me the 20K light bulbs) says they will work
great for my sps corals and I've seen slow to modest growth over a few
months.
<<Not surprising...too much blue/not enough “useable” wavelength, in my
opinion. 6500K lamps would optimize growth potential...but 10000K lamps
are a good alternative that will likely be more aesthetically pleasing
to your eye (will also likely have a higher PAR rating than the 20000K
lamps)>>
I don't have a light meter, but I suspect the cheap, generic
Chinese-made lamps I was sold are not true 20K's; they just don't seem
blue enough (I would guess somewhere in the 16K plus range).
<<This would actually be better...but I suspect these cheap lamps are
lacking elsewhere (PAR/CRI)>>
Question: Since these hard corals and clams are shallow water animals,
would not they be better off with 10K bulbs?
<<Not all “hard” corals have high light requirements...but yes, the
stock you listed would do better under 10K lighting, in my opinion>>
Or even 6K
<<Yes>>
(assuming I could stand the yellow glare)?
<<Indeed>>
I like the look of my pseudo-20K's, but I'd switch if it was worth it.
<<As long as your corals are not malaffected by the bulbs you have
now...determining the “worth” is up to you>>
Question: Do I have TOO MUCH light (6.6 watts per gallon)?
<<Probably more than “needed” on this tank, but can be managed. Do be
cautious about acclimating your tank to the new brighter bulbs if you
decide to make the switch>>
I know my strongly lit MH's are harsh on my coralline algae growth,
which is only growing in the deep rock shadows and almost none on the
glass.
<<This is typical>>
One last question: I'm thinking about adding three blue Chromis fish to
the pair of clowns I already have; do you think this would be too much
of a bio load for a SPS system of my size?
<<Should be fine...and as sparsely stocked (fish-wise) as your tank is,
the additional Nitrogen/fish waste will probably be much appreciated by
your corals>>
Thanks,
Russell
<<Happy to assist. EricR>>
Re: Optimum MH Lighting Color? – 10/22/07 Dear Eric, <<Hey Russell!>> Thanks for the fast response. <<Quite welcome>> You've convinced me it is time to switch to 10K lights. <<About the best “all-round” color temperature>> My coral growth has been okay, but the blue lights are likely a limiting factor. <<Quite possibly>>>> You mentioned "acclimating" my tank to the brighter bulbs. <<Yes... When replacing lamps, and especially when changing to lamps with a lower Kelvin temperature/higher PAR value, you need to take action to prevent photo-shock of your corals before they have time to acclimate/adjust pigmentation to the increased light intensity>> How do I do this? <<Several layers of fiberglass window screen laid over a piece of plastic “eggcrate” material on top of the tank will work nicely. Three or four layers, removing a layer every three or four days, should do nicely>> I assume by placing the lights further off the surface of the tank (currently about 15 inches... maybe go to 24 and then lower down over time)? <<Can do this as an alternative method...but raising the lights too high puts you/your family’s eyes in jeopardy of looking in to the elevated fixtures>> Also, can you recommend some brands of MH light bulbs? <<Ushio and Aqualine-Buschke are my current faves..Hamilton has been a good performer for me as well>> Are the expensive German bulbs worth the price? <<They have proven so for me...seem more durable/less prone to premature failure, as well as more “consistent” re color temperature when purchasing a number of bulbs at a time>> Thanks, Russell <<Regards, Eric Russell>>
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UV Radiation And
Metal Halides 8/28/07
I have a question regarding ultraviolet light and metal halide
bulbs. I have two 150-watt, HQI fixtures. The fixtures are Coralife
Aqualight Advanced, hang on the tank style. Anyway, I did an experiment
to see if any ultraviolet light was escaping through the glass UV shield
(a columnar shaped thick piece of glass that fits around the bulb). I
used the plastic of a type of sun screen that turns blue upon exposure
to UVA/UVB radiation (Blue Lizard is the brand). Anyway, the plastic
immediately turned a deep blue, just as quickly as it does to exposure
to noon day sun. I've read that glass filters most of the UV out, but my
little experiment suggests otherwise. I tried it on another aquarium
with power compacts, and the plastic barely turned a hint of blue when
it was within an inch of the bulb. So, my question is, should I be
concerned about the MH bulbs? Does the glass only filter the UVB and the
UVA is what's turning the ultraviolet sensitive plastic so blue?
<Gary, without knowing what levels of irradiation triggers the test
piece, It would be difficult for me to give an accurate answer. A better
test would be to put the test plastic on the tank bottom and/or
mid-level and see what happens. I'm guessing the plastic material is
sensitive to residual amounts of radiation. The glass shield that came
with your lamps should safely filter out dangerous levels of UV that
could do harm to your animals.>
Thanks in advance.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog).
Gary
Euphylliid allelopathy and halide recommendation
8/22/07
Hi,
<Hello Tom>
I think I might need to remove some LPS corals, wanted to get
your advice.
I had a small Frogspawn and Torch in a 130G SPS-dominated tank
that have grown much larger over the last year or two, and after
reading the FAQs, I see these could be the reason some of the
SPS growth seems to have slowed down.
<Yes>
I've attached a picture of the section of the tank with the
Euphyllids, and circled some nearby, recently added SPS frags.
The Frogspawn is now about 7" across, and the Torch is about 8"
across. When extended, they now reach to within 3-4" from the
closest SPS frags.
<Perhaps even closer with their "sweepers", part. at night>
Elsewhere in the display are larger SPS colonies, some 6"+ in
diameter.
Several months ago I removed and traded to a LFS my Hydnophora
and Stylophora colonies because they got too big (10-12")
<Nice>
At first I thought the slower growth might be due to the
lighting, which is 2x250W Aqualine 10K mogul halides on PFO
magnetic ballasts. Been using them for years, replacing bulbs
every 12 months. The bulbs were changed about 6 months ago, and
that's about the same time I noticed slower SPS growth. So I
also thought maybe I got a weak bulb last time.
<Mmm, could be a factor... there are others>
Turnover in the display good at about 23x, using two Seaswirls
and a chiller return. Water is stable: SPG is 1.026, pH 8.3, Ca
380-400, dKH 9-10, Mg 1250-1300, Nitrate 0 (always), 20% water
changes every 2 weeks. I run an EV180 skimmer, and use a
Poly-filter or carbon in the sump. I've included a picture of
the EV180 in action. Has been a good performer, especially given
the small size.
<Looks good>
Also have a Chaeto refugium in the sump (added the Chaeto about
9 months ago)
Would you recommend removing these Euphyllids in favor of SPS
growth, or do you think I should be considering something else?
<I would locate all other Cnidarians further away for sure... a
good foot from the fully expanded Euphylliids>
Second question is, should I be looking at a different brand of
250W halide mogul bulb?
<Mmm, no, not IMO>
I thought I had decent results with the Aqualines in the past,
but is there a *best* alternative for maximizing SPS growth and
color? Maybe I should be looking at a different bulb, different
ballast, more wattage, or DE bulbs? Any input & ideas are
welcome.
Thanks,
Tom
<Please search for the marine lighting works of Sanjay Joshi and
Dana Riddle for the later/greater input here. Bob Fenner>
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Metal Halide Lighting and Spectral Shift/Length of Efficacy –
05/14/07
Crew,
<<Mark>>
Thank you for all your efforts and advice; it really is appreciated by
the majority of the users of the web site.
<<Thank you for this>>
I have a simple question that I can't find the answer for.
<<”Simple” eh? [grin]>>
I am sure it is probably in the FAQ's but I just can't find it.
<<okay>>
I am changing from power compacts to metal halides and I want to know
about how often the bulbs need to be replaced to address spectral shift?
<<PAR as well as spectral shift need to be taken in to account. There
has always been/will be debate, but I read/hear more and more
discussions, as well as my own anecdotal observations, that would
indicate metal halide bulbs used for the hobby can be “effective” for as
long as two years...maybe longer. It appears higher Kelvin-rated bulbs
(above 14000K) may shift more quickly, but are still “useful” well past
the 12-month mark>>
With my PC's I am changing the bulbs around every 9 months, what is your
advice on how often should I plan on changing the metal halides.
<<Consideration need be given to Kelvin ratings, lighting duration, bulb
manufacture, etc...but as we learn more about the hobby/the animals we
strive to keep and how the different environmental elements are
intertwined (lighting, feeding, water flow, etc., etc.) and that no
single element is more important than the other but all must be
correctly applied to be in tune with the “balance” of the system...it is
my opinion you should be able to get “at least” 16 months use from
quality MH bulbs, and likely more than that>>
Thank you,
Mark
<<Happy to share. EricR>>
Differences between MH bulbs – 04/29/07
I'm in the middle of a local debate regarding MH bulb
manufacturers. There's a recurring rumor that all MH bulbs for reef
aquaria are made in the same factory in China.
<<Not so. RMF>>
I don't believe it. Second, regarding those no-name Chinese bulbs that
are becoming so common, has anyone done a study to determine how they
compare to the more expensive name brand bulbs, as far as spectrum
shift, par and reliability?
<Sanjay Joshi has done significant research on numerous bulb/ballast
combinations. As of April 8th, 2007 there are 916 spectral plots and
performance data available for metal halide lamps and ballasts on his
website. You will likely find what you are looking for here: http://www.reeflightinginfo.arvixe.com/
Hope this helps.>
Thanks
<Welcome! Mich>
Re: Differences between MH bulbs – 04/29/07
I looked there before emailing you. Sanjay lists only name brand
bulbs. I'm referring to the no-name Chinese-made bulbs that you can get
from eBay and sellers like Reefoptics. Any data on them?
<Mmm, I'm sorry, I am not familiar with the bulbs to which you refer. I
would email Sanjay directly. sjoshi@psu.edu He may have the data you
seek or be willing to do the testing. Hopefully this will lead you to
your answers.
Good luck! Mich>
Kelvin/Incandescence ratings... 4/21/07
Can you explain to me what the different colors and k's do?
What would they be best used for?
White 7100k is for?
blue 12000k is for?
pink 800k is for?
thank you
<The practical value of such ratings is covered on WWM:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/lighting/index.htm
In essence, there are "temperatures" that are of utility for engendering
photosynthesis... starting at about 5,500K... "Warmer" lights for looks,
depth... Bob Fenner>
When to replace double ended metal halide bulbs? 3/31/07
Hey guys your the best!
<Thank you and hello. Brandon here tonight.>
I was wondering when to replace doubled ended metal halide bulbs? I read a lot
about doing it when they start to flicker?
<I would go with at least every twelve months.>
I know that the compact florescent bulbs are to be replaced at least once a year
because they eventually stop putting out the same UV.
<This time should be adjusted to every 6-8 months.>
Is this the same for double ended metal halide bulbs?
<Nope.>
I have had mine for about 1 year 3 months and seem to still work without
flickering.
<You are three months or more overdue for a change.>
What should I do?
<Replace your bulbs.>
Thanks so much for your time!
<You are welcome. Brandon.>
Aftermarket HQI Bulbs? - 03/22/07
Hi guys,
<<Erinn>>
I am only asking this question because I could not find the answer anywhere
else.
<<Ok>>
I currently have the Current USA Outer Orbit fixture 48" with two 150 watt
10000k HQI and two 130 watt dual actinic power compacts. I have a mature 55
gallon reef tank with a wide assortment of mostly soft corals. I don't like how
the 10000k's produce such an overwhelming white-yellow appearance on the tank so
I want to upgrade to 14000k or 20000k.
<<I see>>
I am worried the 20000k will produce too much blue so I am leaning towards the
14000k.
<Would be my choice as well>>
Do you guys like the Coralvue brand?
<<I don't have any personal experience with this brand, though it does seem to
be becoming a popular favorite...likely due to its price. The Coralvue bulb is
worth trying I think, though my fave pick is those offered by Ushio>>
Second, I found a guy on EBAY selling aftermarket bulbs for about 18 dollars
(really cheap).
<<Mmm...careful...>>
I don’t know if I should trust these bulbs?!
<<I wouldn't>>
He says they're new and closely resemble the Coralvue. Have you ever heard of
knock-off brand HQI bulbs?
<<I've heard of some cheap Chinese knockoffs, yes...and the subsequent "poor"
quality/color rendition/service life...I've also heard about knockoff actinic
bulbs that were simply white fluorescent tubes "painted" blue. So, pay your
money and take your chances...>>
Thanks in advance for your expert advice, Erinn.
<<Is a pleasure to share. Eric Russell>>
Which Metal Halide Bulb? - 03/11/07
Hi All,
<<Howdy Robert>>
I'm getting ready to switch my 250-watt 5500K bulbs out for some new XM bulbs
and I was wondering if you could give me some advice on which would be both
better for my corals and at the same time be pleasing to the eye. I'm looking
at either the 15000K or the 20000K and the listings confuse me a little. I want
to get rid of my VHO setup I'm running with my MH.
<<I see. You don't mention "what type/species" of corals these lights will be
over...but even so, the 15000K should be fine/are the better choice in my
opinion. I've heard Sanjay Joshi remark that there is little difference between
bulbs in the 14000K - 20000K range. I've no wish to dispute his
findings/opinions, but I do believe there is more useful light in the "yellow"
spectrum in a 14/15000K bulb versus a 20000K bulb...and the "appearance" of the
lower Kelvin temperatures is definitely more to my liking>>
Now I know people who are running the 15000K bulbs and they look great, but when
I look at the different web sites they say actinic supplementation may be
needed.
<<Mmm, not required for the benefit of the "corals" >>
But then people also tell me that the 20000K are going to be way too blue which
I don't really like either.
<<Am in agreement>>
Can you give me your slant on this situation?
<<Happy to...go with the 15000K bulb. Or better yet, choose a better/more
reliable (in my opinion) bulb manufacturer...perhaps the Ushio 14000K (my first
choice), or the Hamilton 14000K>>
Thanks,
Robert
<<Pleasure to share. Eric Russell>>
Color me happy or color me healthy? 2/16/07 SW, lambda MH temp. 02/17/07
Thank all of you for doing a wonderful service to us by sharing your
knowledge.
<Thank you. Labour of love, oh yes.>
Now, I have looked through think and thin and can't find the answer I need.
<Bet I can.>
I have a 110 gal reef tank. I have 2-175(10k)watt & 1-250(14k) watt halides
with 2-96 watt PC's(03's).
<Good amount of light!>
It is getting to be that time for new bulbs in the 175's. I keep alot of
SPS's.
<That would explain it...>
What I'm looking for is to help color up the corals. Does the Kelvin effect
how the corals color
up? Will a 20k bulb intensify the colors more than a 10k?
<Mmm... yes. No. Well, not decisively. I think that as a rule, you will see
more of the fluorescing colors when illuminated under high-UV light. As for
production of pigmentation unrelated to food-production, it has not been
"proven" one way or another exactly what influences the coloration of corals
most directly: environment, diet & nutrition, lighting, perceived threats/or
other stimuli. There is some speculation on whether lighting plays a big
role in the pigmentation. It stands to reason, as pigments are in the
visible spectrum of light, no? There is a neat back-and-forth with a bit by
Eric Borneman on the topic, here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/stonyfaq.htm . I think you will find, by and
large, that most SPS-keepers have to decide to utilize light in the "usable"
spectrum; i.e.., Yellows, greens, reds like the noon sun, or to utilize "aesthetically
pleasing" spectra that contain more light shifted toward the 420nm scale. I
think most of the pictures of attractive SPS systems are lit with 20K HID,
or 14K with lots of 420nm.>
I have asked this question on a number of different forums and I think it
stumped a lot of people.
<On that note, you will find enough to make your nose bleed here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/lighting/index.htm . Be sure to
spend the next week reading every link you can find on the subject here on
WWM. There is so much on this topic here, you will likely find some
conflicting info, but keep in mind that these are largely based on opinion.
You want opinions. If you want fact, it's in the articles, but the actual
application of these facts are open to interpretation and various levels of
enjoyment and agreement by all.>
Thanks ahead of time for your help.
<You're welcome, Lee! Good luck!
-GrahamT>
Lee
Lighting Concerns, Halide lamp temp.
2/11/07
Hey!
<Hey Back.....>
Ryan here.
<Adam J on this end.>
Mine first time writing.
<Welcome.>
I've had my tank set up now for about 5 months, and I've never had any
type of aquarium before, so I'm definitely a newbie.
<Fresh meat huh?>
I discovered your site through a friend about 2 months ago. With my
limited knowledge, your site has been invaluable to me.
<Awesome.>
I find myself reading and searching sometimes for hours at a time.
<Hey careful, I've been in it (the marine side) for ooh almost 8-9 years
now and I still spend a considerable amount of time
researching/reading.>
So I first wanted to thank you for being so helpful and patient with
those of us who have such limited knowledge.
<Welcome.>
On to my story/question.
<Of course.>
I had a friend/fellow aquarist at my house last weekend. He noticed my
lighting set up and told me that he thought I might need a higher color
temp on my lights.
<Really? What was his explanation?>
I did some research on your site about this, and still am not sure. I
have a couple of problems with his assumption.
<Never bad to be cautious, get a second opinion.>
First, and probably foremost, is that I am unsure what I have.
<Well that could be an issue.>
I know for sure that I have 3 - 175 W metal halides spaced evenly
across the top plus 2 - 4 ft 20 W blue actinic fluorescents, but don't
know the CRI or color temp of the bulbs.
<Most systems with his combo have the Halides in 10,000k and the
fluorescents in actinic (20,000k+) an acceptable combination.>
My tank is a 110 gal(72in long, 18in front to back, and 22in tall). I
have included a few pics of the corals in my tank. They all seem to be
healthy, but of course I'm not sure of this either.
<The fourth animal in the picture, Porites Sp?...seems to be bleaching
though lighting could be just one factor in this, it seems to be the odd
man out as far as the sessile inverts....also you have alot fo algae
going on...What are the nutrient levels/water flow levels like?
My question is: Do you think I should go ahead and change the bulbs,
<Based on temperature alone, no.....when they are a year old, yes.>
or wait to see if I have problems with current set up? Thank you once
again for your vast knowledge.
Ryan
<Adam J.> |
Re: Lighting Concerns.......disciplined
newcomer.... Now... 2/11/07
Hello once again.
<Welcome back.>
I started to mention the algae but I think I may have that under control
now.
<Good.>
Noticed, after researching on your site :), that my nitrate level was
high (about 40 ppm), around 1 month ago.
<Right.>
I did 10-12% water changes every day for 1 week, and have been doing
10-12% changes twice/week since then. Checked parameters last
night(2-10-07) and appears that
everything is much better now, but going to continue with the twice/week
regimen until I'm sure.
<Very good.>
Param's as follows now: sg 1.024, amm 0, phos 0, nitrate <5, calcium
400, temp 78 deg F.
<Also good.>
Also, I recently purchased an additional tank that I'm going to use as a
sump/refugium because currently all filtration is done with hang on the
back filters.
<You are on the right path my friend, awesome.>
For water flow I have 2 powerheads, 2 AquaClear 110 power filters, and
a SeaClone 150 protein skimmer.
<The skimmer is shall we say, not the best brand. A rather infamous in
the aquarium trade, but keep up with the water changes though.>
Thanks for your quick response, and for all your help.
<No problem, thanks for the feedback.>
Ryan
<Adam J.> |
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Lighting/Metal Halide 1/30/07
Hey Bob,
<James with you today.>
Love your website.
<Thank you.>
It is coming that time again to replace my metal halide bulbs again. I have a
125 long reef tank that I have been running 14K bulbs
with. I have soft, hard, SPS, and one L/T anemone, all is <are> doing well. My
theory has always been, if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But with 3 years of 14K
I'm feeling like a change. My question is, can I use 20K bulbs ILO <in lieu of>
the 14K? I don't have room for supplement lighting and really don't like the
look of mixing the metal halide bulbs. (I have 3-250W bulbs in my fixture) I
have a LFS where I have seen them use 20K and 14 or 10K mixed on a 500 gallon
reef and did not care for the look.
I have seen they have 15K bulbs available now but I am not sure if I will really
notice a difference (Any input here would be appreciated also).
Would need a side by side comparison to see the difference.>
So tell me, can I use all 20K without depleting my light loving corals of their
needs to thrive? Or should I stick with the 14K or just try the 15K?
<If it were me, and things are going as good as you say, I would leave well
enough alone or go with the 15K. Going with 20 lamps may lead to a spectrum
adjustment period for the animals. Your LTA may even move, and we do not want
that with corals present. Stick with the 14-15K, it's telling you something.>
Basically I am looking for a more blue look to the tank, I think it shows the
colors of the fish better and brings out the colors of the corals as well. This
is my goal without compromising coral needs. Please advise oh reef master!
<Going with 20K isn't really going to give you the difference in color
appearance you seek. You would have to go with supplemental actinic lighting
for this, and since you have no room for this, enjoy the nice rippling effect
the halides produce.>
Thanks in advance,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Chris
Re: two different color bulbs <MH fixt.?> 1/31/07
I have another
<Where is the prev. corr.?>
question for you sorry its
<it's>
so soon but I have had my halides set up for quite a while and one of the bulbs
was burning a bright white color the other was burning fine (400w14k) Its
<It's>
a long story about how I ordered the wrong mogul sockets for my ballast. But my
local aquarium store owner rewired two sockets with the write
<right>
connections for me but like I said one is burning the wrong color is this the
wiring or is it the bulb (Hamilton). And is this affecting the wattage at all
Thank you.
<Can/could be... it is indeed dangerous to mis-match MH/HQI ballasts to improper
wattage lamps... I would be checking these carefully... assuring they are
suitable. Bob Fenner>
Re: Metal Halide question - 1/18/07
Hello again Justin!
<Hello again, Jason!>
That is if you're still around.
<Mmm, all too often I'm afraid *grin*>
I have a 30 inch Current-USA SunPod MH with a single 150watt Lamp in it. For one
I need to replace it because it's nearly a year old.
<Ok>
I was curious if I'd be able to replace it with a higher wattage lamp. They make
the same size Pod that comes with a 250 watt lamp, however would I be able to
put a 250watt lamp into my fixture even though it came with a 150? Just curious.
<Unfortunately, no, it's not that simple. With HID (High Intensity Discharge)
lamps, bulb rating is based on the ballast that is equipped with the fixture.
The ballast with your SunPod is likely rated specifically for a dual-ended 150
watt lamp. Sorry, bud! -JustinN>
Metal Halide Burn In Period??? 12/18/06
Hi, your web site has been a great help over the last couple of years. But,
know I think I finally have a question, that I cannot find on your site.
I recently upgraded from a 55 gallon reef to a 120 AGA. With the upgrade, I
also decided to switch over the metal halides, since I want to eventually get
into acros. I have 2x250watt MH with electronic ballast and also 2x96
powercompact actinic. This whole system is new to me, I just received it last
week. To my disappointment, the unit only came with one 10k double ended HQI
bulb.
<Whoa, whoa. You say you have a 250 watt dual MH system, then you say it came
with a HQI bulb. Both of these systems are completely
different. I'm guessing you have a HQI system.>
This bulb works in both units with each separate ballast, so I know the system
is capable of working. Since I only had one bulb, I thought I might as well
upgrade to two Hamilton Tech 14K 250 watt.
After installing these bulbs, nothing has happened. No light whatsoever. I
even placed the original 10k bulbs to make sure the unit was still working.
<And it does?>
Now the new bulbs have been in for about 30 hours without nothing. I was told
by one supplier that this was a normal initial burn in period and since the
bulbs were different it might take 24-48 hours. Is this true, I thought during
the burn in period, the lights still came on.
<What mental institution is this supplier located at? There is no such thing as
a burn-in period. As you say, the bulbs should light, period.
I'm guessing the lamps you purchased were defective. Did this unit come as a
complete kit, or is it a complete fixture? Very unusual in that they would only
send one lamp with a two lamp system.>
Please help, I am completely lost with what to do next.
<Send me a link to this site if you bought them on-line.>
Thanks
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Greg
Re: Metal Halide Burn In Period??? 12/19/06
http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=307
Thanks for replying so fast.
<You're welcome.>
here <Here is> the link for the lights i <I> bought. the <The> light system
works with the bulb that they sent currently. when i <When I> say they only
sent on <one> bulb, they actually left on <one> out of the system - i <I> assume
by mistake. i <I> hope this helps answer the question regarding why this
supposedly electronic ballast will not light up the hamilton <Hamilton> 14k.
<The ballast should light the Hamilton lamp. I'd make sure there is no
protective tape on the contact pins of the lamp. If not, I'd be sending the
lamps back to the dealer. In future queries, please cap words that begin a
sentence and proper nouns, it saves me time from having to do it before
they are posted on the dailies.>
thanks <Thanks> again.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
5500K Bulbs 10/22/06
Hi All
<Greetings>
I’ve been working on a 157 gal reef tank now for almost three years, buying the
best I could as I could afford it.
<Good way to go…saves the headache later>
It’s all about to come to life now but I need to know how to match up some bulbs
for the best effect, both coral growth and looks. First I see a good deal of the
people are using 10,000K metal halide bulbs, but the guy at my LFS said he used
5500K’s so that’s what I purchased and that’s what I’m going to use this first
go around. I just purchased a 4 bulb Icecap 660 set up to go with my MH and
would like to know what bulbs will work best with my 5500K’s.
Thanks
Robert
<Robert- I would recommend using super actinic VHO bulbs. The 5500k’s will
produce a reddish/yellow color, but if keeping SPS, your growth should be
great. Just remember that you should take your time in acclimating corals to
the new lighting. Cheers! – Dr. J>
HQI Installation 9-19-06
Hello,
<Greetings>
I'm going to be installing a new 150w bulb (14K Phoenix) in my
SunPod as soon as it arrives, and I'm not 100% sure of the process
of how to install it. I have removed the old bulb, and know that
the bulb is held in place by the two sockets that both push on the
bulb from opposite sides. <Correct> I assume that I need to pull
apart the two sockets a little bit, then place the bulb in there and
slowly let the two sockets press against the bulb? <You got it> All
while keeping my skin oils off of the bulb. Am I on the right
track? <Dead on> Is there a "wrong" way to put it in, like upside
down or backwards? <Luckily they make them so they only go in one
way…the right way> I wouldn't think so, but I'd hate to find out the
hard way.
Thank you very much, <Our pleasure. Cheers! – Dr. J>
Joe Schneider
Metal halide bulb brands 4/26/06
Hey. I need to buy some new bulbs for my aquarium and am having some
difficulties deciding on what type. I have 2 175 watt bulbs over my 55
gallon right now. I was wondering if you have ever heard of or know anything
about the brand "Aragramax". I was attracted to these because they
are only $35 a piece as opposed to $70 for Ushio and Hamilton, which i have also
been considering. In your opinion, how much emphasis should be placed on the
brand? Would you go with the cheaper or more expensive bulbs? Ushio or
Hamilton? Any other brands you could recommend? thank you in advance
<Hello Jon. John here this afternoon. My opinion is this: You could ask twenty
people the same question, and get twenty different answers. You'll find that
most people will actually recommend what they are currently using. With the
exception of a couple of major outstanding brands (the two you mention not
included), many bulbs come from similar sources. With regards to aesthetics, the
colour rendering, even for bulbs with identical Kelvin ratings, can vary widely.
If you can find any local reefers, or pictures on the Internet, then they may
help you make your decision. As for quality, with the exception of a few
German-brand bulbs, I have not found most cheaper-brand bulbs imported from Asia
to be significantly inferior (indeed, I sell them myself). Best regards, John.>
Re: Reef Lighting 5/2/06
Salty Dog,
<Scott>
Can you please provide me with a website or distributor that I can obtain the
175W HQI bulbs at? I am still having trouble locating anything besides 150,
250, or 400W bulbs. Thanks.
<Can't provide you with this as there are no 175 HQI's. Sorry for my mental
error. In your 24" deep tank, I would go with three MH175's, minimum. That
should give you enough lighting for keeping clams, SPS, etc. This suggestion is
based on a on-tank fixture only. If hanging lights are desired, I'd step up to
three 250's, preferably HQI's. Three 250 HQI's would not be too much light in a
on-tank fixture also. James (Salty Dog)>
Re: a question left out of my earlier MH email ... lamp choice
5/9/06
Sorry, one more.
<Uh... of what? Where's the previous correspondence?>
The choices I have found for a replacement 250 watt MH bulb are more numerous
than I anticipated. Can you please recommend one of the following for my
ritteri Anenome? Those in bold are labeled as aquarium bulbs:
1) Ushio/BLV 10,000 K (cri not listed)
2) Ushio 20,000 K (cri not listed)
3) "Standard" 10,000 K (cheapest, but I don't care)
4) MegaChrome 14,500 K (cri not listed)
5) MegaChrome 12,500 K (cri not listed)
6) Hortilux Blue 6,500 K, 90 cri
7) Eye 6,500 K, 90 cri
The is in reflector, suspended 8 inches off the water. My Ritteri is doing very
well, and I would like to keep it that way.
Thanks again,
-Kevin
<I'd go with number 1... Good bulbs, about right temp. Bob Fenner>
Which 150w 10,000K MH Bulb? - 07/11/06
Hi,
<<Hello>>
I have a simple question (I hope) but as always I know you appreciate a little
background.
<<Yes, thank you>>
I have an Outer Orbit light fixture with 150 watt MH HQI 10,000K and two actinic
PC's. My tank is a 58 Oceanic show set-up reef style with a DSB and fuge. I
mainly keep SPS and clams but have a few LPSs and plenty of softies. My light
fixture is about 3 to 4 inches off of the surface of the water with nothing but
the glass lenses on the fixture between the water and the tank. Everybody in my
tank is and has been happy for the past year that I have had this light but now
it is time (at least to my understanding) to change my bulbs.
<<Mmm, yes...likely overdue on the PCs (usually changed at 6-8 months)...might
could get more use out of the metal halide (highly speculative), but changing at
12 months is a popular notion>>
I plan on buying the same PC's that came stock in the fixture but I am having
trouble deciding what kind (brand) of MH to get. I will still get a 150 watt
and 10,000k bulb. I hear XM's are nice but people tell me that they lose their
effectiveness after about 6 months, is this true?
<<Can't say definitively, but I have friends who have had negative experiences
with this brand...mostly early failure of the bulb to fire>>
Please help as I have been searching for an answer to this question for several
weeks and nobody I have talked to as of yet have given me any suggestions.
<<For my money...I would get either the Ushio or Aqualine Buschke (AB) 10,000K
bulb. The AB will appear "slightly" more blue than the Ushio, but choosing
either manufacturer will provide you with a quality bulb>>
Thanks much I am grateful for all the help,
Adam
<<Happy to assist, EricR>>
Matching MH Bulbs to Ballasts - 07/21/06
I bought 2 175W HQI DE 20k MH bulbs on eBay for $20 in a bulk box of
mixed type MH bulbs.
<<175W double-end (DE) bulbs? Are you sure? I didn't think there was
such a bulb...nor does a quick Google search find one...curious>>
My questions:
1.) Can I run them on the same ballast as the 175w SE bulbs or will I
have to upgrade to different ballast. One of my ballast is the Advance F-can
(72C5581 N-P) ballast.
<<I believe this is 150W ballast, is it not? It will not run the 175W
bulbs...DE or otherwise>>
The other is DIY Advance ballast.
<<Mmm, this tells me nothing...>>
2.) Should I upgrade to one of the HQI ballast or just plug and play?
<<If that is a possibility, then yes. My favorites are the IceCap
electronic ballasts. Great product/customer service/warranty...in my opinion of
course>>
3.) Will a 150w HQI <<bulb>> be able to run on these type of ballast
also?
<<Are we talking about the F-can ballast again? Maybe, though I think
unlikely unless that model was specifically designed for such a bulb>>
Thanks,
Shaun Montgomery
<<Regards, Eric Russell>>
Re: Matching MH Bulbs to Ballasts II - 07/21/06
Yes there are a couple of 175 DE bulbs on the market. Aquatrade sells them
with their MH fixtures here:
http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS
<http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=49>
&Category=49
http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS
<http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=24>
&Category=24
<http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=49>
<<Mmm, yes...have seen these (advertised) before now that you mention...>>
Also what is the bulb type of 175 DE and 150 DE bulbs. (EX. 175 SE are M57)
<<Don't know/am aware the DE bulbs have a "type"...perhaps if you contact the
manufacturer re...>>
Can I build a DIY house for the double ended bulbs and just buy the UV glass?
<<Sure>>
Or do I have to buy the full reflector.
<<Nope, you can find/buy the UV glass online. Some brand names are Optivex,
UVILEX 390, and OptiClear...likely others can be found with a Google search re
"UV Filter Glass">>
Thanks,
Shaun Montgomery
<<Regards, EricR>>
HPS/Metal Halide Conversion Bulbs? 8/24/06
Howdy Folk,
<Hi Zach>
Love you books/website.
<Thank you.>
I have a 250 W HPS S50 ballast that I currently have a 4000K bulb in. I want to
get a higher Kelvin temperature for obvious reasons but the highest Kelvin
conversion bulb I have been able to find online is an Ushio 250W 5200K 85 CRI
Universal Metal Halide Conversion Lamp.
Will this work or do I need a higher K value? If I need a higher Kelvin value
where can I find the bulb?
<What exactly do you mean by a "conversion bulb"? What are you converting?>
Thank you,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Zach Alexander
Re: HPS/Metal Halide Conversion Bulbs? - 08/26/06
I have a High Pressure Sodium Ballast with a Metal Halide "conversion bulb"
in it that is only 4000 Kelvin. I am not currently using this lighting system
because I would like something around 6500K but the best "conversion bulb" I
have been able to find is this one
http://www.businesslights.com/product_info.php?products_id=1413. Any
suggestion? And would the 5200K be okay or would I have algae problems.
<Ah, I see, not using a MH ballast. The 5200 will be much better than the 4000
with very little yellow tint, if any. Algae problems come more from nutrients
in the water, the lighting just propels the process.
James (Salty Dog)>
Re: HQI recommendation 7/19/05
Ok, I read about it, and now I have more questions. My tank is 48x15x15
(about 50 gal) is not too deep, so with 330 VHO watts I think is not mandatory
the MH for the less demanding anemones... quadricolor?
<A good choice>
I just bought 3 lamps to change the old ones (1 white actinic, 1 blue actinic
and 1 Aqua sun all from URI, 110w each one) Is this right?
<Your choice/s... actinics are more for show than go... more aesthetic than
functional>
if the quadricolor is not a good choice under this scheme, what anemone you
think will respond with this light?
Greetings.
Carlos Rafael Díaz Rivera
<Sigh... please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemonelightngfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Read. Bob Fenner>
Halide bulb selection 8/18/05
Hey guys, I have a 150 watt metal halide bulb (10000k) it looks too yellow
for my tank. I am going to purchase a higher k I would appreciate it if you
would tell me the best bulb for my double ended fixture. I was looking for
something that's not all blue but has a nice tint to add a bit of deeper water
look.
List
13,000k Geissmann MegaChrome
14,500k Geissmann MegaChrome
20,000k AquaLine
20,000k Geissmann MegaChrome
any other bulbs in the blue coloration and are 150 watt you know of that are
better please let me know.
Thanks for your time. <Aaron, the 10K bulb shouldn't look yellow at
all. Wondering if the bulb is defective or you have an excessive nutrient
problem making the water look yellow. James (Salty Dog)>
- Aaron
Question About CRI Colour Temperature and UV Filtering 9/17/05
Hi Crew, <Hello Brad>
I looked in the posts to try to find the answer to this question. I found the
question was asked but I did not understand the answer posted.
I am researching metal halide systems and found that bulbs in the 5000 to 5500K
range have High 90+ CRI values. When looking at higher temperature bulbs
(10000K) I notice that the CRI drops to around 65. These numbers are taken out
of manufacturer catalogs for commercial bulbs. It makes sense to me that the CRI
will drop the further you get away from the 5500K mark. I just want to ask if
my assumption is correct,<Yes> or if there are some special marine designed
bulbs in the upper temperature range that have higher CRI values. <A color
rendering index of 100 would be equivalent to high noon in the tropics, that is,
the most natural color. A lower CRI does not necessarily mean the light is no
good for your corals as certain wavelengths filter out very quickly the deeper
the light penetrates the water. These high temp bulbs at the proper wattage per
gallon (4 to 8) provide enough intensity for the corals to live. The higher
temperature bulbs (10K+) are closer to the color you would actually see on the
reef. Hope this makes sense. Just got back from the madhouse in Detroit and
the mind is foggy.>
I also read in one of your articles that unshielded bulbs can put out dangerous
UV A, B,& C rays and must be filtered. Is a piece of glass placed on the output
end of the fixture adequate to filter these harmful rays, or are there special
lenses you need to get for filtering purposes. If you need special lenses do you
know of any sources? <Glass works, but acrylic is better, no special lenses
needed.>
Thank you for your help. <You're welcome, James (Salty Dog)>
Brad
Halogen vs. metal halide 11/6/05
Hi guys
<Hello Archie>
I would like to know if plain halogen lamps will be as effective for corals and
anemones as metal halides would be?
<I don't know of any halogen lamps that would be an effective replacement for
halides. James (Salty Dog)>
Metal Halide Bulb Brands 10/30/05
Hello Mr. Fenner,
<Actually Adam J with you this morning.>
I was wondering if you had any information about the Iwasaki 50k de metal halide
bulbs available.
<I have only seen this bulb in usage once and I do not have any personal
experience with it though I have used other XM bulbs and they are a "Quality"
brand as for the Kelvin rating...its aesthetically pleasing but most animals
hosting zooxanthellae prefer bulbs with temps in the 6500K to 10000K range. You
could use this bulb to supplement a lower temperature bulb to get the look you
want.>
I know they have been talked about before but I thought by now there would be
some better evidence about whether they are any good or not, when used over a
reef tank.
<See above.>
thanks
Ben Hustwayte
<You are welcome, Adam J.>
Reef Lighting and Kelvin Ratings 10/27/05
Hello and thank you in advance for your needed help!
<Hi Jon, and umm…your welcome in advance.>
I am currently thinking of expanding my horizons of aquarium size and have a
lighting dilemma. The tank that I am getting is 180 gallons which is 72x24x24.
On my current tank I am running one 10k 250w AB HQI with VHO actinic. My
livestock is a mixed garden (including SPS and clams) to say the very least.
<Ok, so a shallow water biotope.>
My questions are the following: would one more equal halide fixture be
sufficient on a tank that size; or would three be better?
<Three is the recommended number if you want to continue with the SPS and
Clams. One bulb per 24” of tank length is a general recommendation.>
Also I am considering moving from 10k to 20k (also in the AB line of products)
in order to achieve a bluish white color. Would my mixed garden corals suffer
from this regiment of lighting; or should I remain on the path that I am
currently following?
<Mmm, photosynthetic animals prefer lighting in the 6.5K to 10K spectrum so out
of three of your bulbs I wouldn’t go all 20K. 14K at the most, but honestly 10K
with VHO actinic supplementation is the best way to go in my opinion. Maybe you
could mix bulbs, a 20K on the middle with 10K on the ends. Its your choice in
the end, and you probably could get away with 20K but some animals may have to
be left out and expect slower growth.>
Do you have any further suggestions of how I can achieve the “look” for my
aquarium that I am seeking?
<Just the above.>
Thank you very much for your time and expertise. It is greatly appreciated!
Respectfully,
Jon
<You are welcome, Adam J.>
Lighting follow-up - 29/11/05
Could you please tell me the difference between a Aqualine Buschke, Super
White Blueline, an Ushio, and a XM , all of which are 10000K MH?
<Your choice will come down to aesthetic preference. Ushio, XM and Aqualine are
all very good brands. I have found AB bulbs (never tried 400 watters, mind you)
to be excellent in terms of quality, but a touch on the yellow side for my
tastes. Despite this, corals do seem to love the light, and the yellow can be
balanced with actinic supplementation. Many people rave about the colour of the
XM bulbs.
I would urge you to look at reviews of these brands, pictures of people's
tanks, and decide for yourself. In addition to reading through our lighting
FAQs, it would also be worth checking out Sanjay Joshi's excellent site on
lighting here:
http://www.reeflightinginfo.arvixe.com/>
I want to buy the best one for my reef. I also have a 96watt Coralife. Is it a
good idea to use this along with the 10,000K MH for aesthetic?
<Yes, an actinic would help balance out the slightly yellow caste to some
10,000K bulbs. However, whether the intensity would be enough to make any major
dent on the output from a 400W halide is questionable. One thing is for certain:
You have a great deal of light over a 50g tank.>
Thanks.
Ron/Jenn
<Best regards, John>
Which Lighting Spectrum? - 01/17/06
Hi Guys,
<<Some sharp gals here as well.>>
Rob here from South Africa.
<<Howdy Rob...EricR from South Carolina here tonight.>>
I just have a quick question.
<<ok>>
I ordered a lighting system that includes, 3 MH 250w each and 8 T5's. My
question is...The supplier only has 6500K and 14000K bulbs to choose
from. Which would be the best if it is going to be for a tank containing clams,
Ricordea, and some other light loving creatures.
<<As far as the critters are concerned, the 6500K will provide all they need as
well as giving you the most PAR. But most folks don't care for all that
"natural" look and want a bit more "blue" to their "hue." A good compromise
might be to get the MH bulbs in 6500K and the T5s in 14000K.>>
Always appreciate your help.
Rob
<<Always welcome, EricR>>
Metal Halide Bulb Replacement Question 1/13/06
Hey guys.
<What’s up Jason?>
I'm a frequent reader of your FAQs and such.
<Cool.>
I have a question for you.
<Okay.>
I have a 40gal marine reef aquarium. I'm using a SunPod HQI lamp for the tank.
Right now it has a 150 watt lamp in it at the moment. I wanted to know if it was
possible to exchange this lamp with a 250 watt one.
<No the ballast with the product you bought is only rated for a 150 watt bulb,
equipping it with a 250 watt bulb would at the least under-drive the bulb and at
the worst cause a fire. Don’t do it.>
I'd like to optimize the most light I can.
<Though there will be some shadowing along the edges, a 150 watt HQI (generally
speaking) is superb lighting for a 40 gallon tank.>
Thanks in advance.
<Welcome my friend.>
Jason
<Adam Jackson.>
Metal Halide Bulb Switch 1/22/06
Hello!, <Hello Lani> Hope all is well with the crew. I have a quick
question I haven't quite found the answer to. I have a metal halide system with
2 250 bulbs and ballasts. However, I decided not to do a SPS only tank, and was
wondering if I could use 175 watt bulbs instead?
<Absolutely not. You may start a fire. James (Salty Dog)>
Double ended HQI bulbs 1/22/06
Hi guys!!! I have said it many times but great site!!!! Quick
question.... Do you know what the white ends that hold double end bulbs
into the pendant are made out of? Is it ceramic??? <Yes> I got some shavings
from the white pieces in the tank from the old bulb and could not get it all
that fell in the tank. Hope it is not bad for the fish and coral.
I guess it there is nothing I can do about it now just would help for to get my
mind at ease. I do not want to wake up and my fish and coral are
dead... OK maybe a little exaggerated. <No worries. James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks
Re: HQI bulb 1/25/06
Thanks for the quick reply. I have one more question. I always seem to see a
sump setup or a wet/dry filter with a light over it. Is this recommended? Just
in case, I am currently running a 65watt. 50/50 Coralife fixture about 8"-10"
from my wet/dry setup. should I remove it or leave it. and what are the benefits
of such a setup thanks a lot. <Any sump you see with a light usually has a
compartment that can be used for a refugium. In your case there is no reason
to keep a light over your sump. James (Salty Dog)>
Question about Metal Halides - 2/11/2006
Howdy crew,
Quickie on metal halides. I have some SE Halide bulbs that were used for a few
months max., but they have been sitting unused since for almost 2 years
now. Would these bulbs be "outdated" so to speak since they have been sitting
so long,
<Would not worry here... the elements are not terribly reactive at low
temperature in a sealed, evacuated tube. 2 years is not long in this case.>
or is the only important piece of info. the amount of usage time?
<Pretty much... within reason. Best regards, John>
Thanks for your time. Paul
Lighting/Inverts/T5 lighting for 180 Reef 2/22/06
Hi James, <Hello Roger.>
After doing some additional research there seems to be varying opinions on T5
efficacy and I'd prefer to purchase a solution once given the
expense. Needless to say I also want what's best for the animals that will
inhabit the tank. Therefore I've decided to not step out of the
box and go with tried and true MH. I have a few related questions if you don't
mind. Any unsolicited advice is very welcome as well!
1. I've read the rule of thumb is 1 fixture for every two linear feet of
tank. You'd mentioned two 250's but would 3 be more suitable? <Three would be
more suitable if cost isn't a problem but if you went with two 250 watt HQI's
placed on center 18" from each end (assuming a 72" long tank), you should have
plenty of light. Less light loving inverts can be placed on the ends. Will
only see some light loss on the last 6" of the tank.> 2. 10K bulbs seem to be
the recommended frequency but there's different
types. One retailer alone sells Iwasaki, Ushio, Venture, Hamilton & BVL which
vary by almost $40 in price. Is there really a major difference
between a $60 Iwasaki and a $95 BVL? <The more expensive bulbs usually produce a
truer color temperature and a little more light output.> I'll be using an
electronic
ballast, probably an Icecap. Not sure if that matters. <More efficient, bulbs
last a little longer.>
3. Strictly based on the bulb description the BVL sounds like it has more
blue. Does that negate the need for Actinics or are they still
recommended? Would a lower frequency blue be better either as an alternative or
to augment the actinic? <In a mixed reef I would go with 10-14K lamps. Actinics
aren't necessary with these color temperatures.> 4. I'm going to be installing
these in an 8" wood canopy. What's the recommended ventilation scheme, number
of fans, placement, vent holes
etc? <Two fans, opted for the highest CFM you can get that will fit in the sides
of your hood. I'd place one drawing air and one exhausting air.> I'd really
like to avoid buying a chiller but I don't want the canopy to sound like the
inside of a data center either if I can avoid it. <Might consider Ice Caps
temperature controlled on demand fans.> Also, should I add an insulating
material between the pendant and the wood (it would seem wise) and if so what do
you recommend? <I wouldn't, may melt/soften.>
I apologize for dominating your time with all these questions but I'd like to
preserve capital so I can afford to put something in the tank
not just over it :) <I do recommend HQI, cleaner color temperature, bulbs last
longer and takes up much less space in the hood.>
Thanks so much, <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Roger
Lighting/Inverts - 03/12/2006
Hi, my name is Danny Richards <and mine is James, how are you?> and I had a
question about metal halide lighting for my 150 gal aquarium. The tank is 60"L x
24"W x 25"T and I am trying to decide if I should use 3 x 250 watt MHs or 2 x
400 watt MHs. And also if they should/need to be DEs or Mogul. Other than being
single ended or double ended, what is the difference between HQI and Mogul?? I
am wanting to keep SPS and Clams with very few fish. Also what Kelvin rating
should I use? I like the way 14K and 20K look, but I have had people tell me
those color temps. are not good for SPS and Clams. Thank you for your time, and
keep up the good work! <Danny, to the best of my knowledge all double ended
lamps are of the HQI variety. The mogul socket is for metal halide and these
lamps cannot be swapped using the same ballast. I think HQI is the best way to
go. A little more intensity watt for watt, more compact in size, and generally
produce truer color temperatures. Bulbs generally last a little longer also. I
think two 250 watt HQI's should be enough for your tank, and I'd probably go
with something in the 12-14K in temperature.
James (Salty Dog)>
Danny R.
Higher "K" rating MH lighting
Hi crews,
A quick one here (hopefully).
I am running a 10000K 150W DE MH pendant on my 33 gallons (24"x18"'x18", 5" sand
bed) and is hung 11" above water surface, water depth is thus about 12". Do I
have enough to keep the most light demanding creature on sand bed?
I am thinking of changing to 20000K but afraid that it is not going to have
enough PAR for the most demanding SPS or clam, as it seems that 20000K's PAR is
about 1/3 of 10000K's of the same wattage. What do you think? What if I
supplement with 2x55w day light PC?
And what about 14000K bulb? Which seems to be about seems that 20000K's PAR is
about 1/2 of 10000K's of the same wattage. What if I supplement with 1x55w light
PC?
Thank you very much for your time and effort.
Best regards,
Wid
>>>Greetings,
If the water depth is only 12", then you're doing pretty well with a 150W DE
setup. However even then I wouldn't say you can keep ANYTHING - at least if you
want the coral retain it's color. By this I mean some of the more demanding
Acros out there. ALL clams will be fine. I find the 20k's MUCH nicer to look at,
and they give much better color rendition. I just switched from 10k's (250W
DE's) to 20k's a few months ago and couldn't be happier. Yes, you will lose a
bit of intensity with the 20k's. Sure, you can supplement and increase the total
PAR. I would stick with the single 150W DE, get a 20k bulb and be done with
it. There are plenty of nice corals you can keep, not to mention the clams.
With a 33 gallon tank, your limited anyway as to how many corals you can keep.
I have no experience with the 14000K bulbs.
Cheers
Jim<<<
Higher "K" rating MH lighting - Part 2
Hi Jim,
Thanks for your swift response as always!
Went to LFS just now and looked at Iwasaki 20000K 150W DE, it is so white, only
with a slightest hint of blue! And the LFS owner said that BLV will be just a
tad bluer. I guess it all depends on ballast. If a 20000K bulb appears whiter,
does it mean that it will have relatively more PAR than its bluer appearance
counter part?
I just got a good deal from someone selling his 70W DE MH, I am planning to run
a bluer 20000K 150W bulb for 10 hours a day and run the 70W on an industrial
bulb (5000K-8000K depending on the bulb I am getting) to supplement the red and
green range for 5 hours a day to simulate noon sun.
How does this sound to you?
Thanks again.
Wid
>>>Hey Wid,
All I can say is try it and see how you like the effect. The organisms don't
require that you attempt to simulate 'noon' with a different color temp however.
If it were me, I'd use the extra fixture to increase the total PAR on the tank
for the entire duration of the light cycle.
Cheers
Jim<<<
Shrimp breeding and halide lights
Greetings Crew!
<< Blundell here today. >>
I just can't say this enough, but thanks for putting up such a great site! I
love reading the daily FAQ's and surfing through the archives.
Got two questions for you today.
1. I have a 55-gal reef system (corals, fish, inverts, etc.) and I have one red
skunk cleaner shrimp. Today I noticed that he is actually a she as her belly is
full of what I can only assume to be eggs!!!! Now, I lined up the suspects in
the tank and the only ones I can come close to thinking of are my pair of Fire
Shrimp (one of which had eggs last week). Is it possible for a fire shrimp and
skunk cleaner to mate? << I would have said no, but maybe you are proving me
wrong. >> Or will shrimp produce eggs in absence of a mate and just hope they
get "lucky"? << I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen. Especially being
hermaphrodites (well some shrimp I should say). >> The only other suspect would
be my Coral Beauty, but I think his love affair with my cleaner is just related
to the cleanings!
<< Agreed, at this point I'd be suspect, but potential cross breeding may
actually be taking place. >>
2. This is relating to metal halide bulbs. I am totally familiar with wattage
and degrees Kelvin (planning to construct a custom oak suspended canopy with
2x250W of MH). I have a friend who works in an industrial supply company and
they have hundreds of different MH bulbs in stock. The problem is that the
bulbs are rated in Lumens and color temp. Is color temp the same as degrees K?
<< Yes, that basically means what colors of light are being given off. In other
words how much of the light is red, how much of it is blue and so forth. >> What
are Lumens? << Lumens is how much total light is given off. For instance you
can have a very blue bulb that gives off only blue light. But that light may be
very dim like a moon light (low lumens) or it may be very bright like a search
light (high lumens). >> Is there a way
to compare these bulbs with those used in the aquarium industry or am I
comparing apples and oranges?
<< Well with a PAR meter you can really compare bulbs well. But for the average
hobbyist I think that comparing visual colors to you, and also Kelvin ratings is
good enough. >>
Thanks again and have a happy Halloween!
-Ray
<< Blundell >>
What Kelvin rating to use
I have a 200 gal tank, 72" long. For my light fixtures I have a Coral Life
MH Fixture that Holds 2 175w MH and 2 48" Fluorescents, then I also have 2
additional MH fixtures that will hold 175w MH. So in total I have the Ability
to have 4 MH and 2 48" Fluorescents. In this tank I am wanting to have probably
Mushrooms, Polyps, Leathers, and things like this.
I am going to have some were around 200-300 lbs live rock.
Is my lighting sufficient or too much, and what kind of MH bulbs should I put in
my fixtures, 10,000 k, 50/50, ???. << All sounds good. I'd run 10k or maybe 14k
halides. I'd run some URI actinic for your fluorescents. >>
Thanks much for all the answers you can give.
John M.
<< Blundell >>
He Wants The Blues (20000k Blues, That Is!)
Hello Crew,
<Hi there! Scott F. here tonight>
I have read quite a bit about this question on your site, which has lots of
great information, but I am still unsure about this. I have a 110g (24"deep)
tank with 2x250w 10,000k HQIs which are 2+ years old. I have BTA's and SPSs. I
REALLY like the look of the 20,000k bulbs and thinking of switching. I read on
your site that 10,000k is preferred for the BTA's. Does this mean that the
BTA's would really have a problem??
<Well, I don't think that they'd have a "problem", but I think that your
anemone's would grow faster and generally do better under a more full-spectrum
light...I am a huge fan of 20k's, myself, but the majority of 'em just don't
carry the same "punch" as 10k's. However, I simply love them! They are still
excellent bulbs, and will do a nice job with many corals and inverts, rendering
excellent colors, albeit with slightly slower growth. Just understand their
limitations and change them out regularly>
Like I said I love the blue look. I have heard the SPSs would be OK. If it is
cool to switch do you have a preferred brand (XM MegaChrome, etc.) and what
would you recommend for acclimation of the new 20k's. Thanks, Rich
<Well, my personal favorite brands of 20ks are Aqualine Buschke, Geissmann
Megachrome, and Helios. Icecap is releasing a 20k bulb soon which seems really
promising. Acclimation to these bulbs would be best conducted slowly, perhaps
using the window screen technique, whereby you cover the area under the lights
with a few layers of window screen, and gradually remove them as your animals
acclimate. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Re: lighting advice
Hi crew- <Hello, MikeB here.> This makes 2 questions in one night, and I
apologize.<Not a problem, that is what we are here for.> I have a 90 gal,
currently with 356 watts of mixed day/actinic PC's. I'm upgrading to MH. I plan
on keeping several SPS (Acropora), a few LPS, a Xenia, an anemone (bubble),
generally mixed reef. I am torn between the following lights (both include
carrying over my 96w PC with 6700/10k bulb): 2x400w CoralVue mogul 10K and
2x250w HQI Aqualine Buschke 13K. This is a sizable investment, and I want to
make sure I make the best choice. As always, your advice and information is
invaluable, and I cant thank you enough.
James
<James, both lighting systems are great fixtures to add to your reef
tank. Either choice you make you can't go wrong. I suggest you go with the 250
W HQI metal halides because you indicated that you want a mixed reef. If you
went with the 400's you would be supplying a little to much light for the
LPS. If you wanted a SPS tank only then the 400 watt fixture would be the way
to go. I would suggest that the 250 watt bulbs you try and get in 10,000 K
output, 13,000 K is a little on the blue side. Remember your tank is 4 inches
deeper than a 75 gallon tank so the lighting will be softer at the bottom. Good
Luck!!! MikeB>
U.V.. risk using Sylvania Metalarc bulbs
Hello there, I have a few questions to make about lighting.
First some background data: I live in México and here is hard to find (not to
mention the high prices) bulbs for the reef tanks.
I have purchased some XM bulbs from Marine Depot but last time had some trouble
with the toll (they charged me 60% of the total value on taxes... OUCH!).
<Dang governments!>
Now I'm trying to use the materials I can find in the city. And since we are
setting up a couple of tanks, the costs (as always ;-) matters.
<Same everywhere>
Now the question: I bought an Sylvania Metalarc halide 175W bulb (6500 K) in the
past days, but I am concerned about the physical risk for using them.
In the box says: "This lamp can cause serious skin burn and eye inflammation
from short wave ultra-violet radiation if outer envelope is broken or
punctured".
I know it may sound silly, but I don't know what they mean with outer
envelope... is it the glass? (I don't imagine a bulb with the glass broken
working... hehehe).
<Likely you are correct here... modern non-fluorescent U.V. lamps have a coating
applied to their outer surface or an outer envelope of filtering glass (as
opposed to older styles that aquarists used UV filters that were additions to,
components of the fixtures themselves)>
I have not found information about this in the Sylvania web page, so any help
would be very appreciated.
Finally, do you think this kind of bulbs might be useful for coral propagation?
may be used for some particular species?
Thank you very much for your time and advice.
Best regards: Carlos M. Storch
<Should be as long as the energy produced is of PAR (Photosynthetically Active
Radiation) quality. You should look about on the Net, query the various
specialty BBs (ReefCentral, Reefs.org) for input here. Bob Fenner>
Sylvania Halide lights?
Hello again, can you make a little correction in my FAQ, please?.
I wrote "question" twice, so please put a couple of "q" instead c... << No
problem, I got it. >>
A little Spanish confusion... sorry!
Thanks a lot and best regards.
Carlos M. Storch
Hello there, I have a few questions to make about lighting.
First some background data: I live in México and here is hard to find (not to
mention the high prices) bulbs for the reef tanks.
I have purchased some XM bulbs from Marine Depot but last time had some trouble
with the toll (they charged me 60% of the total value on taxes... OUCH!). <<
Wow, that is high. >>
Now I'm trying to use the materials I can find in the city. And since we are
setting up a couple of tanks, the costs (as always ;-) matters.
Now the question: I bought an Sylvania Metalarc halide 175W bulb (6500 K) in the
past days, but I am concerned about the physical risk for using them. << They
are fine to use, and will grow corals quickly. However, they don't make the
corals colorful. >>
In the box says: "This lamp can cause serious skin burn and eye inflammation
from short wave ultra-violet radiation if outer envelope is broken or
punctured". << Yes, I wouldn't worry about UV radiation with that bulb. >>
I know it may sound silly, but I don't know what they mean with outer
envelope... is it the glass? (I don't imagine a bulb with the glass broken
working... hehehe). << Yes, they mean if you break the outer glass layer. >>
I have not found information about this in the Sylvania web page, so any help
would be very appreciated.
Finally, do you think this kind of bulbs might be useful for coral propagation?
may be used for some particular species?
Thank you very much for your time and advice. << If you do use this, you will
want to add a lot of blue actinic light to offset how yellow these lights are.
>>
Best regards: Carlos M. Storch
<< Blundell >>
50000 or 20000 Kelvin bulbs
Hi!
When you search the Internet you can find a lot of information about the 50 000K
metal halide bulb made by Iwasaki. Iwasaki has also got a new 20 000K bulb with
higher lumen output. Do you experts have any opinion of the performance
(success/failure) and the looks of this bulb? << I wouldn't buy a 50000 K
bulb. Do you mean a 5000 K bulb? Either way a 20000 K bulb is plenty blue, but
may not appear bright enough to you. >> How does it stand out compared with the
50 000K (the 50 000 seems to be considered "the best one" by many people)? << I
think a 50000 K is way out there. I wouldn't buy one. I'd stick with a
combination of 20000 K and 10000 K bulbs. >> I plan to have soft corals,
mushrooms and buttons in
my aquarium (150W/45 gallons). << In that case, I'd stick with 20000 K bulbs. >>
Thank you.
Anders
<< Blundell >>
Lighting
Hi again...ask you something...about metal halides.
Are the ones used for signboards by the free way the same as the one used for
aquariums...thanks...
>>>No<<<
Lighting Follow-Up
Ok, just suppose that I'm going to switch to MH, what would be your
recommendation according to my tank length 4 feet and depth 1'3" in number of
lamps, watts for lamp and °k ? <°k truly depends on the type of coral that you'd
like to keep- Deeper blues are typically used for deeper water corals, and more
whites are for shallow and lagoon corals. I'd recommend a combination of the
both if you'd like to have keep all types of corals. 2 lamps should cover the
tank nicely, and between 5-9 watts per gallon is a nice wattage. Good luck!
Ryan>
Metal Halide retro question
Hello,
First I would like to thank you for you wonderful web site, great job!
My question is I have found the following 175W metal halide retro kit and wanted
your opinion overall if I should consider or pass. Everything is brand new from
petmeister.com.
The included bulbs are Catalina 175 Watt 10000K mogul based and the ballast is a
Fulham Workhorse. They claim the ballast is compatible with any 175W mogul base
bulb. I am not familiar with these brands. They are asking $229 for the retro
kit which includes 2-175W bulbs, magnetic ballast for 2X bulbs, socket,
reflector, mounting hardware & wires. I would replace the reflectors with spider
reflectors for better light reflection as I am sure the basic ones included are
not sufficient. Is this retro kit worth anything or should I spend more $ and go
with more common brands such as Icecap, PFO etc for quality reasons? Any input
would be helpful.
Thank you for your time.
Miles
<If it were me, my system, I'd return this gear and go with well-known brands.
The Fulham brand is the real thing, but the lamps are engineered for outdoor
landscape use... Bob Fenner>
Metal halides over the center tank brace
All:
< Blundell here tonight. >
Thank you for your valuable advice. I am in the process of upgrading the
lighting on my 125 gal. 72X18X22. I will be going with MH mogul based in
20K. I will be purchasing a new canopy in either 10" or 12" depending on your
advise. I wish to keep LPS, soft and limited SPS. I will keep the SPS confined
to the upper 1/3. I know these are broad categories, but I will place specimens
as needed. My question is should I go with 3 X 175 watts in a 10" canopy or 3 X
250 watts in a 12" canopy? < With those options, I'd chose the later. The more
watts the better in this case. > I have never kept SPS but it is my
understanding that 20K bulbs don't put out the same PAR per watt as say 6500 or
10K's. < Very true. 20k have better color for the corals, but grow slower and
don't look very bright. I use 20k now, but will probably switch to 14k or 10k
next time. > Also, there is a 12" 1/2" thick center brace that one of the three
lights will be directly over. Is 10" or 12" of clearance in the respective
wattages safe? < It is safe, but the shadow of the brace really cuts down on
how well that bulb will work. You may want to have that brace replaced with
acrylic, or have your lights staggered so that the middle bulb isn't right over
the brace. > The canopy will be well ventilated (fans. etc.) Thank You!
Ben
< Blundell >
Kelvin Temp - 1/13/05
I have read your lighting FAQs and haven't seen my particular question.
<Then you missed it! It's on lighting FAQ page 3, answer #14, paragraph 2, line
26, letter 47. Just kidding>
I have a 225g reef that is 30" deep. I have two 400w HQI Pendants with
e-ballasts about 9" above the water. Tank is at 80-81 stable (Night/day).
My question has to do with the temperature of the bulbs. I don't have any other
lighting and was wondering if I don't have adequate red green spectrum? There
is plenty of intensity.... to the point where mushrooms, softies, etc need to be
place in the centre of the tank on or near the bottom (two coral head reef
setup) for them to open fully. So my question is: Provided you have intense
20k lighting... is it still necessary to have lighting in the 6500, 10k 14k
area?
<As I am not aware of the species you are attempting to keep, I will provide as
general answer as I can...at least for the species commonly kept in this
hobby. Most photosynthetic organisms from tropical reefs prefer 'warmer'
Kelvin temperatures (5500k-6500k range) as they evolved to utilize sunlight,
which is 5500k. However, they are for the most part very adaptable, and should
do fine with 20k lighting. They will not grow as fast as they would under a
warmer bulb, though>
Thank you for your help..... and what a great source of info your site is. It
is my primary source when
looking at new specimens or problems. Thank you.
<You're very welcome - we try!>
Scott McAdam
<M. Maddox>
MH Lighting Question
<Hello Brandon>I've got a question on MH lighting. I've currently got a
3x250W system running with 2x96W actinic PCs. The MH bulbs are 10K XMs. I'm
thinking about switching the system to 3x400W so that I can switch to the 20K
bulbs. The PAR values seem to be horrible on the 250W bulbs. Is it worth the
extra expense to go to 400W bulbs? I'm not sure how much the PAR would increase
going from 250W to 400W on a 20K bulb. It just seems like the most popular
reefers, like Tyree for example, are using 20K bulbs to get extreme colors on
their acros. Any thoughts on the 20K colors, and the extra heat it would bring?
It's a 125G tank, and I'm wondering if 3x400W would be overkill or cause much
more heat? <Going to three 400's would definitely increase the heat level. If
these are pendants you could probably get away with it. If they are hood
mounted you'd probably have to go with a chiller. I don't think the extra money
for everything is going to be cost efficient. Drs Foster & Smith sell the
German MH bulbs in your wattage and in the 20K you desire. James (Salty Dog)>
Need a glass shield for halides?
Hi, and thanks for reading this....My question is regarding a 250 watt AB 10
K Mogul Bulb or any screw type metal halide bulbs...Do they need to be shielded
because of UV rays or is the bulb case already producing the shielding effect ?
< They do not need to be shielded. With the double ended bulbs it is a good
idea, but for mogul base you are okay. > The reason I am asking is I wanted to
maximize the amount of penetrable light into the tank...120 gal Standard Tank 19
inch water column after sand bed....Bulbs 9" from water surface... < Yes, you do
cut down on light when you add the shield. Therefore I try not to have a thick
shield. I like using 1/8" glass. It isn't very thick but it shields. Plus, I
would rather clean the salt creep from my glass, than from the bulbs themselves.
So a glass shield also helps with maintenance. >
< Blundell >
Metal Halide/SPS Corals
After doing a search of your site I do have a question about halides for SPS
corals. I have a dual 175 watt metal halide hood that is over a 46 gallon
bowfront tank. Presently it has two Sunburst 12K lamps. I have heard quite a bit
of mixed opinions on these lamps and would appreciate your opinion. I realize
that these lamps have a lower PAR due to their color temperature, but are they
satisfactory for the color maintenance of various SPS? I would also like
your opinion on using higher Kelvin lamps for color maintenance, i.e. will 10K
lamps supplemented with VHO actinics provide the proper mix or are 20K
preferred?
<A lot of people are just using the 20K's now. Haven't heard anything negative.
I personally prefer very little actinic in a lighting system. Here is a link
I'll post. Adam Blundell wrote this article concerning coral fluorescence for
Advanced Aquarists On-Line Magazine. Think you will enjoy it.>
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2005/toc.htm.>
Thanks you for the help and I look forward to your response.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Reef set-up/planning questions 4/14/-5
Hi Anthony,
<Cheers>
Thanks a lot for the last reply. You gave me the impression I somehow was on the
right track. Reassuring. I have a few more questions, I'll try to be as short as
possible...
-I've read somewhere on the WWM that MH bulbs should be changed each 2-5 years.
That surprised me as I thought they needed to be changed each 12 months. Correct
answer is once a year, right (and each 18 months for PC)?
<Not exactly... it depends on the bulb. Some need changed after just a year of
use, while many last longer. Some of the best ones retain over 90% of their
efficiency for the full life of the bulb (over 4 years in some cases. I had one
go almost 5 years)>
-When buying a new MH bulb, there is a warning saying the bulb burns much
brighter during the first 100 hours.
<Correct>
Does one have to let it burn 100 hours before use on the aquarium?
<Nope... not needed. But do try to use a sheet or two of fiberglass fly screen
(window fabric ) to diffuse light during the break in period>
It means I'd have to turn ho