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Pest/Predatory Snails
4/16/08
James. Hope everything is well. Long time no talk my friend.
<Ah, yes, didn't think I was with the crew that long.>
I don't know if I am just unlucky with reef keeping or what.
<Luck has very little to do with this hobby.>
My tank is two years old now (ahhh...has it been that long???) and I
think it is healthy. I say "I think" because I never seem to have an
absolutely fool proof tank. From day one, I have battled ich (no fish
death yet up to this point), high nitrate, imbalanced water parameters
(learned why I need to monitor magnesium too), hair algae, and Cyano
bacteria. I won in all those battles. I thought I am home free up until
now.
About 1/2 month ago, I purchased a Crocea Clam. Up to this point, it is
very healthy - smooth mantle (not pinched) with gorgeous purple, blue,
and green coloration. Has grown from 1.5" to 1.53" (using caliper to
measure accurately). It is not attached to anything yet as the clam is
still in my quarantine tank (water fed from main system then overflows
back to sump).
For my question.
Remember my Cerith Snails, the ones laying eggs all over the place.
Remember I mentioned on my previous emails to you that I see small
snails creeping up at night?
<Too many emails to remember individual ones, especially that long ago.>
Please look at the photos. Are these Pyramid snails?
<Pic not that detailed, but appear to be a Cerithium of some kind.>
I have had them loooong before I had a clam. In fact my clam is not even
in my main display tank yet. From your website let me quote one of Mr.
Fenner's response (you, Bob, Anthony and the rest of the crew should be
called Drs. 'cause that's what you are guys in my book)
<Bob and Anthony may be worthy of that title but scratch me off that
list.>
"If these small snails aren't causing direct trouble, I would ignore
them... there are MANY gastropod species... Most are not predaceous. Bob
Fenner". I see 8 Cerith snail shells (now down to 22 from previous 30)
but these were taken away from them by my dwarf hermits. I still have my
aqua cultured Fighting Conch, Turbo snails down to 4 from 12 (again I
think was due to hermit attacks).
<More than likely if they are large hermits.>
8 Nerite and Nassarius snails respectively. I still have 20 hermit
crabs. 4 in main
display tank while the rest is has been in my refugium for about 7
months now. For two years, I have not added nor removed any of the
snails.
Same photo. Am I seeing sundial snails? I can't seem to find any luck
with Zoanthids.
<Is because of the Sundial Snails, very predatory toward Zoanthids.>
That is why I stop keeping them trying to keep them. For more 9 months
now, I never have these corals. If they are indeed Sundial pest snails,
then what is sustaining them?
<Some of the snails in the photo are sundial snails or appear to be and
they really need Zoanthids to survive for any length of time. I'm sure
they will soon die, but if it were me, I dispose of them before that
happens. No real use in a tank other than to control Zoanthids.>
Note: Photo - snails with maiden's hair plant for size reference.
Vermetid Snails. They seem to be not causing any harm. Was kept in check
by an Emerald crab (a hitch hiker about 2 inches wide now) and low
system excess nutrient. Initially, I thought of this crab as a gorilla
crab as I have seen it eating the v snails. When I caught the crab,
closer inspection reveals claws with blunt tip. That together with its
shape (except being brown and tan in color) led me to believe it is an
Emerald crab. It was eating coralline algae off my LR too. Witness it
myself. Anyway, since it took me years before I finally caught it, I
figure the crab can help remove excess coralline off my refugium/ sump.
It is in there now. Mr. Calfo's book of coral propagation mentioned that
Vermetid snails is a "normal" thing. He further reinforced that here at
WetWebMedia "But I can reassure you my friend... control the nutrients
and you will control their growth. There is no "reef safe predator" on
these snails for the aquarium. Anthony". How bad are
they as other website (sorry won't name them) seems to focus on their
total eradication? This made me think that maybe I should put the crab
back to help in controlling. Decisions...decisions...decisions. Please
help fully understand and hopefully choose the right path.
<Best to have you read here on this snail, will further educate you.
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-01/rs/index.php>
Solution. I was thinking of getting a 4-line or 6-line wrasse not just
for their beauty but also for helping me remove these pest snails. Your
thoughts here please?
<The wrasse may work, Copperband Butterflies have been known to eat them
along with Hermit Crabs but much cheaper/easier to just remove.>
Reef Fish Status. I have some really crazy fish. I have a Hippo Tang (3
1/4 inch) that does eat veggies (ich and HLLE scars, uneven fins -
deficient but very fat), a trigger fish that prefers dried seaweeds over
flakes and frozen foods (except live brine shrimp), and a cardinal fish
that is a tank bully - chases my trigger fish (even if the trigger fish
is a bit bigger than him; about 2 3/4 inch long). I smile every time the
cardinal fish tries to chase my Red Tooth Odonus Trigger; tries to run
after him for just a couple of inches and then stop and hovers back
again. The cardinal fish actually tries to bully everyone that crosses
his path. Already talked to my LFS in trading these fishes for some
corals and a 4-line or 6-line Wrasse as he witness my reef fishes and
finds them intriguing - funny he sold me those fishes :)
pH - 8.3 to 8.4 (controlled by Neptune AquaController)
Ammonia and Nitrite - absolutely 0
Nitrate - 5 to 10 ppm
Phosphate - low 1 ppm (red sea); 0.3 ppm water sample tested locally
yesterday
CA - 425 (Calc Reactor)
Alkalinity - 9 dKH
Mg - 1350 ppm
<Jon, as Bob mentioned, most snails are harmless and is best to keep an
eye out for would be predators/pest snails and remove. Good to hear from
you again. James (Salty Dog).>
Sincerely,
Jon Glorioso
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Pyramid snails on Cerith
Snails? 04/14/2008
Hello Guys,
<Howzit?>
I have a very successful, although unintentional, breeding program for Cerith
snails in my aquarium. For the last couple of weeks I have seen another variety
of snail riding along on many of them. They are small white snails that meet the
description of a Pyramid snail, and sometimes a Cerith will be carting around
two or three of them attached to the front portion of its shell.
I have Zoanthids and a clam that are all untouched and in perfect health, no
snails present. None of my corals have been touched in the least from what I can
see so far. I also breed Checkerboard Nerites and they are not bothered by them.
I understand that Pyramid snails are specific feeders, but are they this
specific? Is it possible I am seeing something other than Pyramid snails?
<Oh yes, of a certainty>
I am not noticing an increase in snail deaths in my aquarium at this time, as
judged by an increase in empty shells, but I have a couple of hundred Ceriths so
a small change would be difficult to detect. It's hard to tell an occupied shell
from an unoccupied one when there are so many of them.
If these do turn out to be Pyramid Snails that are specific to my Cerith snails
is there any way to get rid of them without harming the Ceriths?
<Mmm, not easily... but some small snail-eating fishes (e.g. wrasses, see WWM
re) might reduce and keep small snail numbers down...>
Hand removal is impossible, there are far too many of them. Never mind, I
already know the answer to that question :)
I have a 6-line wrasse, and maybe he is picking them off the clam but can't get
to the ones on the Ceriths, since they are primarily active after dark when the
wrasse is asleep?
<Maybe...>
I have seen these snails climb the glass on occasion, but it's not where I would
look for them first if I wanted to find one.
If a picture is important to you it would be easy to obtain one, if I knew how
to use the macro on my camera. I will figure it out if need be though, don't
hesitate to ask.
Thanks in advance,
Barbra
<If these small snails aren't causing direct trouble, I would ignore them...
there are MANY gastropod species... Most are not predaceous. Bob Fenner>
Vermetid Snails -03/17/08
Hi Crew,
A few months ago I wrote in for suggestions on how to stop the Vermetid snail
explosion that was consuming my 6 year old, 75 gal tank. As suggested, I tried
peppermint shrimp, arrow crabs, a copper banded butterfly, and even manual
removal and nothing has worked.
<Hmm... none of those things reliably eat these critters.>
There’s just too many. I’m almost at the breaking point. There’s so many of
them(5-15 per sq inch) that they are starving my corals with their “webs” and
making my tank look really, really ugly. Are there any other alternatives to get
rid of these pests? I’d hate to start over and lose the last 6 years of hard
work. Thanks so much for your help!
<What did you try for manual removal? You might try spraying them with a little
vinegar, Kalk solution or even NaOH if you dare. I do believe they will
eventually go away/die down. But it may be awhile before that happens,
unfortunately.>
Will
<Best,
Sara M.>
Sundial snail babies?
Hopefully harmless Collonista snails! 3/3/08
<Hi there.>
I recently found a few sundial snails in my tank.
<Yikes, hopefully not dining on your prized Zoanthids! Do you keep Zoanthids or
were these just incidental hitchhikers? Sundials only eat Palythoa and
Zoanthids, so unless you have those, they’ll simply die out. If you do have/keep
Zo's, definitely remove any Sundials you see.>
I now have many tiny, tiny snails I think could be their babies. Are there any
natural predators for these snails?
<I don’t know of any that prey exclusively on Heliacus/Sundials, but I’m sure
there are other predators that include them in their diet. Unfortunately, it’s
always possible that the predator(s) could have a taste for more than just
Sundials (as in other beneficial invertebrates)! Complicating matters is the
fact that Heliacus are mostly nocturnal. They’re able to hide very effectively
within Zoanthid colonies during the day when snail eating fishes are active.
Regarding those tiny snails, there’s a chance that they might not be juvenile
Sundials. There’s another very common snail in the genus Collonista (aka “mini
Turbos”) that has a similar appearance, but is a harmless herbivore/grazer.
They’re mostly nocturnal, reproduce readily, and stay small (usually around
3mm). Color/pattern varies, with some being all white, while others are
combinations of white with varying amounts of mottled tan/brown/even pink
markings. A sure fire way to differentiate Heliacus from Collonista is to grab a
magnifying glass and take a close look at the operculums (the “trap door” at the
opening of a snail). Heliacus have conical/pagoda shaped operculums while
Collonista’s are relatively flat with a characteristic pit in the center.
Basically, if it’s pointed, it’s a Sundial. If not, it’s likely a harmless
Collonista. I’m hoping that you have the latter! Please see the following links
for comparison/more information:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/snailidf14.htm (Collonista snails)
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rs/index.php (Collonista - operculum
shown)
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/snailidf13.htm (Heliacus - see pointed operculum in
photos about halfway down the page)
I’ve got my fingers crossed for you! Take care, -Lynn>
Snail eating
coral? Possibly. Remove? Definitely! 2/3/08
Hello Crew,
<Hi there!>
I recently purchased an order of hard/ soft corals from GARF and have
found two snails on what I believe to be Seriatopora guttatus or
Stylophora pistillata.
<Uh oh.>
I broke the snails free and the coral was completely bleached
underneath.
<Ouch!>
I'm assuming that this is just because they stayed there for such a long
time.
<Could be.>
There is no trail of bleaching leading me to think that the snail is
feeding on the coral, but I have never seen a type of snail that stays
on a coral so long as to bleach it. Any input?
<Yep, any snail that damages a coral like that has to go! After looking
at the photos, I can tell you that it’s not Drupella cornus, a snail
species with a taste for the two corals you mentioned, plus others.
Unfortunately, there are many other coral-eating snails, and I can’t
quite see enough detail in the photos to tell if yours is one of them.
As mentioned before, I’d go the safe route and get rid of them.>
And one more semi-related question, when do you decide that a bleached
coral (Acropora sp.) no longer has a fighting chance?
<When algae starts growing on it.
Take care. –Lynn> |
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Mr. limpet and the Pyramids
-12/15/2007
Hello crew,
I try to avoid asking questions and believe I have only asked 2 so far. Usually
I can find all my answers with research on your site and or others. This one
seems to allude me though. I have been running a 55g reef for 2 years now. The
last year has been really great. Anyway this question doesn't really pertain to
lighting or water parameters so I will skip that this time. I was doing some
research on clams because some day I would like to own one. I then stumbled
across something called Pyramidellid snails. To my amazement I have recently
noticed these little guys before. They were on my turbo snails!! After I found
out what they were I promptly brushed them off of my snails and waited for dark.
("the freaks come out at night") Here they were by the hundreds! Now at this
point according to my calculations manual removal of such little creatures would
take somewhere between 100 to 1,000,000 years. I also have hundreds of limpets
that don't seem to bother anything in my tank including the Montipora. Now here
it is, will the pyramidella's feed off of the limpets? Therefore removing the
snails for a long period off time to remove the pyramidella's food source thus
starving them to death would not work, correct? I also cannot use a six line
wrasse or other type to help control nor do I think a wrasse would work
effectively anyway. Any Ideas?
<Well, first things first... please make sure you have the "bad guys" before you
start to worry (or start killing them en mass). There are several
harmless/beneficial snails which look very similar. Please see here:
http://www.reefland.com/rho/2006/05/identify_rissoid_pyramidellid_snails.php>
I apologize for the incomplete e-mail.
<no worries>
Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Nick
<De nada,
Sara M.>
Pyramid snails....what pests!
10/29/07
Good evening,
Longer time reader (3yrs I think now). Probably find 99% of all the info I need
in this hobby on this site. great job. Tonight I am not sure if I have done
enough reading as it's after 1am and I'm barely able to type and keep my eyes
open.
Here's the situation:
I have a 11-12 inch squamosa clam sitting on the bottom of my tank. I have had
it for over a year. It has grown a lot in my tank. Well tonight I was admiring
my tank just before the lights went off. At the exact time my day
lights shut down, my clam got startled and closed quickly....at that moment I
noticed 3 little white snails under one of the mantles.
Clam looks awesome and healthy...never seen these snails before.
<This isn't uncommon. Usually the snails reach large populations before they
start to hurt the clams they feed on.>
So now I start obsessing....of course. I get a flash light and start looking
around the clam. It closes up more and I see dozens of the little snails. I do
some research and learn they are pyramid snails.
Wow...this hobby is nuts. Always something. The clam is attached to a flat piece
of rock so I decide to take the entire rock and clam out of the tank to brush
the snails and eggs off it. OK....there may have been at several
hundred on the clam. None on his foot. Crazy thing...my clam looks great.
<quite typical>
I also have 1 deresa and 3 crocea's as well. I check each of those and it only
gets worse. All but one of them had the little pests as well. 3 of the four have
no feet (whatever it's called that connects them to the rock)!!
<Ah, good news! Those filaments that connect the clams to the rock are not
actually its foot, they're called "byssus threads." Funny thing is, I didn't
know this either when I first accidentally pulled one of my crocea clams off a
rock and ripped the byssus threads. I was so upset I started crying like a baby
thinking I'd killed my clam by ripping off it's foot. But the foot is something
else entirely (and yes if they lose that, they're probably doomed). Fortunately,
unlike the foot, clams can regrow byssus threads fairly easily. That clam of
mine is still happy and healthy and fully reattached to its rock. :-)>
Question...are they doomed? No feet = death? Do the feet grow back? They are
open but...?
<As explained above, no feet usually does = death, but it's not actually the
foot that attaches these clams to a base.>
How do I get them out of my tank? I have a six line wrasse but obviously he
sucks...
<lol, I think a Hoeven's wrasse (or maybe a green wrasse?) might be more
effective if you want to risk it. Do keep manually removing them. Please see
here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pestsnailfaqs.htm
If the clams are otherwise healthy, your regular manual removal (and maybe a
little help from the right wrasse) could save your clams.>
After I put the clams back I saw several on the floor. I placed all the clams
off the sand hoping the snails wouldn't find the clams and just die.
<Haha, don't count on it. You might want to quarantine the clams and just keep
removing the snails and eggs manually (scrub the clams' shells with a
toothbrush) until you don't see them anymore. Don't try any chemicals though. I
imagine that anything that would kill the snails could hurt your clams too.>
Any hope/help?
<I definitely think there is hope. A few of these snails usually aren't a
problem. However, you seem to have a true infestation that could hurt your
clams. But please don't get too discouraged yet. I do think you can get control
of this.>
Good night.
David W. Boswell, II, E.A.
<G'night. :-)
Sara M.>
Re: pyramid snails....what
pests! 10/29/07
Thank you for your prompt response.
OK, great. I removed all the calms again tonight and good news was I only found
8 snails on all the clams combined. A huge decrease from the hundreds I found
last night. I figure I'm going to remove and scrub them every other
day for a month and then start examining one a month.
<Sounds like a good plan.>
One more question....can clams be out of water? When I purchased them the LFS
pulled them out of the water and directly bagged them. I thought I heard they
should not be lifted out and exposed to the air.
<You might be thinking of sponges. A lot of sponges will die if any part of them
is exposed to air. Clams and corals are quite different though since they can
close up/retract. Some from very shallow waters are even used to being exposed
to air during low tides. In any case, if you need to take a clam or coral out of
the water for any reason, you should "scare" it until it closes up as much as
possible. With clams, it's best if they are completely shut tight (or very
nearly so) before you take them out of the water.>
What are the dangers? The squamosa is so big it is difficult to place a huge pot
in the tank and lift it out. My tank is 30 inches deep. Also to scrub its shell
is tough because of its size. I need to roll it over and it is quickly
exposed to air.
<See above. If the coral/clam is not retracted/shut when it is pulled out of the
water, it could suffer tissue damage. So just take it slow if you have to, but
make sure it's closed when you pull it out.>
Plus, I dump the pot with the tank water after the scrubbing session and it
would be easier to lift the clam out and place back in the tank from the pot and
not risk infesting the tank with any eggs that could be in the pot. Wowo...what
a run on sentence.<lol> I think you get the idea.
<Yes, and since it's Halloween time, I think you should dress up as a vampire
and jump out in front of your clam and say "boo!" Might work... ;-)>
As for the other clams...they are small enough that I put them in a Tupperware
dish deep enough to cover them with water and lined the bottom with sand. Each
scrubbing session I can just lift the dish out with them in it. Quarantining the
clams is out because my quarantine tank has no lighting. I usually only place
new fish in there for 6 weeks. Maybe I need to research quarantining everything
I add.
<Anthony says you should quarantine "everything wet." And that is the most
prudent way to be. Quarantining corals/clams is really not much different than
quarantining fish except that you'll need to keep the salinity at normal levels
and some medications for fish (if you use them) you can't use on corals. Here's
a nice article on the decision:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_3/cav3i4/quarantine/Quarantine.htm
and for quarantining inverts:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quarinverts.htm>
Thanks again....G'night
David W. Boswell, II, E.A.
<De nada,
Sara M.>
Tridacna parasite, Pyramidellids 3/6/07
How long will a Tridacna clam last with pyramid snails present?
<Depends on several factors; overall health of the clam; size of the clam; level
of infiltration...what's important is getting rid of them.>
Mike
<Adam J.>
Halichoeres melanurus and Pyramidellid snails
11/15/06
Hello crew,
<Brandon>
I have recently noticed that there are many Pyramidellid looking snails
attached to the bottoms of my Astrea snails.
<Sure looks like it>
I've been thinking of getting a clam once I decide on type and find one
I am content with but this is an obvious setback in the plan.
<Oh yes>
I saw where a Halichoeres melanurus (Hoeven's wrasse) was recommended to
consume these pests but have looked at some sites that say it is not a
reef safe fish.
<Is toward that end of the scale... I'd say/state "largely reef-safe"...
how 'bout that?>
What is your experience with the fish in the reef setting? There's also
a picture attached that I took a few minutes ago. Thank you and have an
excellent day.
Brandon
<The smaller Halichoeres species (there's a bunch!) are relatively
peaceful, non-injurious to cnidarians, other sessile invertebrates too
small to be eaten whole. Bob Fenner> |
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