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FAQs on Shrimp/Watchman Gobies Disease/Health
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Diamond Watchman Goby, hlth.
– 07/17/09
All of a sudden my diamond watchman goby seems to be acting strange. He
is hanging out on the glass and coming up towards top of tank.
<Not good>
He usually hangs out in bottom of tank hiding behind the rocks sifting
through sand. We have a 55 gallon tank with live rock, sand, xenia, a
yellow tang, a clown, and most recently added a bicolor Dottyback about
a week ago. Everything has been fine but tonight the goby is looking
weird and keeps coming toward top of water and sucking on the wall. Is
he dying?
Should we leave the protein skimmer on???
<I would... though I suspect summat else may be amiss... Perhaps
"something it et"... or an internal issue... I'd keep your eye on this
fish, be ready to remove it should it perish suddenly. Bob Fenner>
Watchman Goby/Health 4/1/09
Hi Crew,
<Hello Kiana.>
I hope you can help me with my question/concern. I have a Yellow
Watchman Goby that I added to my tank in October 2008. A few months
after I got him, he somehow managed to jump into the pump area of my 6
gallon Nano tank and get trapped in the fan. His front lower half
portion of his mouth got ripped off so it looks like he never closes his
mouth. Fortunately he managed to continue eating and I would feed him
shrimp once a week with a baster.
This morning when I went to feed him, I noticed his mouth, near his chin
area, appears sliced down the middle or looks ripped in half. He is
having a very difficult time eating and I tried feeding him shrimp with
the baster again. He tries to take the food but has a hard time keeping
it in his mouth. I am very upset because I am worried my Goby is going
to starve to death and die. Is there anything I can do to help him get
his nutrients and add anything to the water to sustain him. I currently
am using Vita Chem in the water to provide some additional nutrients but
was wondering if there is anything you can recommend for me to do, as I
love this little guy dearly.
<I am very sorry to hear that Kiana, but unfortunately, other that what
you are doing, there is nothing I could recommend to help you further. I
would continue on with what you are doing and hope for the best. If this
fish should die, I would not replace
with another, as your tank is a little on the small side for keeping
this fish.>
Thanks for your help and insight!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Regards,
Kiana
Re Watchman Goby/Health 4/4/09
Hi Salty Dog,
<Hello Kiana>
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate your insight.
<You're welcome.>
Unfortunately my Goby isn't eating much these past 2 days. I am still
trying to feed him with the baster and pray for the best. It kills me
that I can't do anything more for the little guy :(
<Understand here.>
I was curious as to why you thought the 6 gallon Nano was on the small
side for him.
<Just not much room for a fish that can grow to approximately 3 inches.>
What would you recommend so I know for the future?
<Is always best to get the largest tank your budget will allow. The
smaller the volume of water, the quicker water parameters can change,
and we like to keep water parameters stable as best we can.>
This is my first tank and Goby was my first fish, along with a Tomato
Clown named Clementine.
<Yikes, Clementine belongs in no less than a 30 gallon, preferably
larger.
This fish can grow close to 5 inches.>
Please keep your fingers crossed Goby makes it.
Many thanks,
<I'll do that, but it doesn't look good. James (Salty Dog)>
Kiana
Listless yellow watchman goby 8/18/08 I have a 75G tank
with live rock 20G refugium, some LPS coral, soft coral, scopas
tang, ocellaris clown, royal gramma, blue damsel and, a pair of neon
gobies. As for inverts I have 2 brittle stars, <Mmmm, what
species?> 15 red leg hermits, 30 tiny Nerite snails, and 20
Astrea snails. After 6 months of having my watchman in the tank it
went from bright yellow to muted yellow with stripes and small blue
spots the length of the body staggered along the lateral line.
<Happens> He or she has looked like that for over 2 years now. It
mostly hides but is active at various times of the day and always
feed normally. But now the little guy has been laying open on the
bottom and not eating for three days. It also looks to be breathing
fast and shallow. I just added the Nerites and am concerned that
they may have carried a parasite with them. <Possibly> So much
for QT if that's the case. Not sure if a freshwater dip or
medication will help and I am reluctant to stress it out any more
than necessary. Any advice will help, thanks. <Mmm, well, it
looks like this fish has been beaten/brutalized (the white mark on
its right gill area) and the substrate is really too large to suit
it... needs fine sand, the life it fosters... Do you have another
place to put it? Perhaps in the refugium? Bob Fenner> |
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Re: Listless yellow watchman goby Sorry for not
mentioning it but the large white spots in the image are small tube
worms on the glass near the section of the tank he was hiding in at
the time. <Ahh!> Externally he appears to be in great shape no
real change in appearance other than the breathing. The change is
all behavioral, That's what has me stumped. <Still, rapid,
shallow breathing IS a bad sign...> But I do like the idea of the
refugium move as a possible solution. He has always been a bit of a
loner when it comes to the other tank mates. Thanks James
<The move sounds good. BobF> |
Spot on my yellow watchman goby – 5/3/08 Hi, first of all I
have a 36 gallon aquarium that has been up and running for almost
two months now. About a week ago I bought a pistol shrimp and a
yellow watchman goby for the tank. The watchman goby did not have
any visual defect when I received him, but now there is a spot on
his right pectoral fin that looks as if something has been
picking at it. The only thing that I've seen messing with him is my
cleaner shrimp, but I assume he was just picking off parasites as
the goby did not seem to mind. He also has one small white spot on
the base of his tailfin, but I don't know if it is ich or not.
<Doubtful> I've included some pictures to help out with
identifying what this spot is. Being he is a watchman goby, he
spends most of the time under rock in caves he and the pistol
shrimp have made in the sand. I do not believe that I would be able
to remove him to my quarantine tank without removing the 45+ pounds
of live rock first, which seems like too much of a hassle. Any help
is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Chris <Nice pix! The larger
marking appears to be the recovery site (bruise) from a physical
trauma... the white spot... "nothing to be concerned about". I would
exercise patience here. Bob Fenner> | 
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Diamond watchman goby... hlth. 04/11/2008 Hello!
<<Jacy>> I have a 29 gallon salt water tank, established for 2 years.
I have a osc. clown, skunk clown, 2 PJ cardinals, 3 chromis, a 7 line
wrasse & my diamond watchman goby. <<Wow, a heavy bio-load for a
29 gallon>> All appears well in the tank except for the fact that
the goby seems to be bruised around his mouth (specifically his upper
lip, only on one side). He does dart around very quickly to eat & does
bash into the aquarium or the live rock from time to time. Also, we have
noticed that the chromis have begun ganging up on him. Could it just be
a bruise or perhaps something more serious? <<In such confines, this
will be caused by an act of aggression.. bruising or abrasion>> He
seems normal, is eating well & sifting the sand, & moving things around
in the tank. Your thoughts please! Thanks! Jacy <<Do please
conceder a larger home in the near future Jacy, your livestock will
thank you for it. Regards, A Nixon>>
Cloudy Eye on Watchman Goby - 10/8/07 Hello All! <Hello there,
Brian!> Thanks for all of the EXCELLENT info!! <You’re very welcome!> I
have recently added to my 90g FOWLR (after Q) a blue spot watchman goby
<Neat fish> who has developed a cloudy right eye over the last two days.
His hidey hole is in close proximity to a pesky Aiptasia, do you think
he/she may have been stung by it creating the eye ailment? <It's
possible> I have several other fish <Have they shown any signs of
aggression towards the goby?> that show no signs of this problem and my
water params are stable/ideal, can you please help clue me in on what
direction to take? <Does sound like some sort of physical trauma
rather than a water quality issue (since it’s only in the one eye). I
would monitor, keep water conditions pristine, and make sure this fish
gets plenty of good quality/enriched foods (a vitamin supplement, such
as Selcon, would be good here). Hopefully, he’ll be better in a couple
of days!> Thanks!!! Brian <My pleasure, Brian -Lynn>
Re: Watchman Goby not acting goby like 6/6/07 Thanks so much...
<Welcome! You're quick!> I only have a small perc clown and a PJ
cardinal (also small) in the tank. Two hermits and a turbo snail.
Everything just ignores him. <Sounds good.> I only disturb their
lifestyle to feed, and occasionally replace pieces of coral that the
snail decides to rearrange. I apologize for the timing. <Just
bustin' your chops.> He was in QT for 9 days and then has been in the
display tank for two weeks (it always helps to check the calendar). I
followed the directions on the Maracyn, which was to dose for 5 days.
After the 5 days, I replaced the carbon filter and let him hang out for
4 more. I usually QT for two weeks, so this was coming up just short of.
<If time isn't a problem, I would QT for longer. I also advocate
treatment (which includes observation after symptoms fade) lasting
3-5wks.> I only started trying to persuade him to move in the past
day, because I was worried, and wanted to see what his response would be
if I tried to move him. <Understood.> I would take him out and
treat again with Maracyn, but I am afraid of overstressing with another
move. <Probably the right move, here. Why risk more stress with a
move to a less favorable site? Let's just watch and wait and consider
what we see. I should ask, how large is this setup? Is it configured to
be conducive to watchman goby burrowing (soft sand, caves, etc.)? >
Thanks again for the advice and quick reply. <Thank you!> If you
have any other suggestions, I am always up for great advice :)
Thanx!! Rachael Moore <Have you tried switching your car insurance
to Geico? -GrahamT>
Re: Watchman Goby not acting goby like 6/6/07 Either you have
only a few interesting sick fish questions, or this is the best sick
goby question ever... I can't believe the response time. <Maybe all
the other Q's were out of my league, or maybe I have a thing for gobies.
Actually, I had a feeling your system was small and I can relate to the
"need" to throw the fish into the display and "see what happens".
Fortunately for my service accounts, and my fishies, I got over it.>
Incidentally, I switch my car insurance every month, just so I can go
back to Geico. (If only I liked Australian geckos that much:)) The
setup is small... 20gal cube, 3in sand bed, 15 lbs live rock, several
corals (hammer, torch, zoanthid, bubble, star polyps, xenia, Acropora)
small powerhead, hang on AquaClear filter... that about covers it.
Not anything horribly impressive, but I thought it would be a good goby
home. <We'll wait and see how it turns out, but these gobies are
usually happier with a little more space. They do get larger than a 20g
will comfortably accommodate...> The next step was going to be to
wait a month or two and add a pistol shrimp, but if I don't have a happy
goby... that idea is out. <You also never know if the pair will,
well, pair.> Don't worry about the chop bustin...I have to work at
being patient. I still have a way to go.. so you weren't far off in your
bustin :) <Good luck! P.S. You might try a different test kit or
bringing some water to your LFS for corroboration (sp?) on the nitrates.
Your bioload is rather high...> Thanx!! Rachael Moore
<-GrahamT>
Dilemma with blue spotted watchman goby
6/4/07 Two nights ago, my blue spotted shrimp goby began acting
very strange or sick, and yesterday became pale. He has been very
interesting and healthy in the two years I've had him. Never one
problem. He is paired up with a pistol shrimp and they are quite amazing
to watch. The other night the goby was slumped over in front of the main
tunnel of the cave. He looked wore out I did not think he would make it
through the night. This came on out of nowhere. The next day, he was
outside the cave with the shrimp as usual, but unresponsive to any
movement outside the tank....very unusual. <... What is influencing
this fish?> He does not seem anywhere near lethargic as he was, but
still seems pale. Last night after observing him for hours, he seems at
times to remember the cave openings, goes to them, then becomes
disoriented. He acts as if he knows where he is, then moments later,
wonders to a part of the bottom of the aquarium as if he is looking for
the cave opening, but it's nowhere near there. He remains at this
time dwelling slowly about. He never left his shrimp's side; now he is
wondering far past the shrimp and goes in circles as if confused or
blind. Generally when you would come close to him he would swim swiftly
into the cave, and at times you could go right up to him. Right now you
can be right up to him at the glass and make many quick movements and he
does not flinch. Is it possible that he went blind and if so how? Can
you please help with any information as to what could be troubling this
healthy interesting goby? Thank you. <I wish I could... is this "old
age"?... Are there other fishes present? How are they behaving?> I
did try every option possible for seeking an explanation on the website.
Nothing came close in FAQ or chatrooms. Registering on the site was
unavailable also. I really need help. Cindy R <The "usual", S.O.P.
of water changes, testing, food supplementation, possibly use of
chemical filtrants is about all I would advise here. Bob Fenner>
Re: Dilemma with blue spotted watchman goby 6/6/07 Bob,
<Cindy> Thank you for your reply. In addition, let me add this; this
Goby, other than being blind, has an excellent appetite, and acting more
like normal, short of his eyesight. Water is checked regularly, and all
parameters are good. Other fish are doing excellent. Diet is the same
it's been for the past 2 years: Mysis shrimp, diced shrimp, scallops,
and brine. We believe this goby is approximately 3 years old. <This
is about as long as this and related species (congeners) live...> No
one has heard of such a condition, but it has become obvious that he is
blind. Under close inspection, at certain angles, his eyes have a glaze
or cloud of some sort. We are wondering if this is old age, since
everything else is in great condition. Thanks again for your help.
Cindy <I do think you are correct here re "cumulative genetic
defects"... aka "old age"... BobF, feeling older>
Blind banded
high fin shrimp goby Hello! Thanks in advance for your help.
<Welcome> I have had my shrimp goby for about 8 months now and he has
always hidden in the live rock and darted out to eat. <Generally
what they do... in the wild and captivity> On several occasions, he
darted out and looked as if he had difficulty finding his way back in
the hole. He would bump into the rock repeatedly trying to get back in.
Now I believe he is completely blind. I did not see him coming out to
eat and then I found him just hanging out in the open, not reacting to
any of the other inhabitants unless they touched him. Lucky for him,
all the other fish are peaceful. I scooped him up with my hand a placed
him in a shallow glass bowl on the sand (with sand and live rock rubble
inside) to keep track of him and I have been hand feeding him for 3 days
now. He eats like a champ if I stick Mysis right in his face. Other
than acting blind, he looks perfectly normal. Ever hear of this before?
Any ideas on treatment? <Mmm... have heard of these "blindings"...
likely nutritional in origin (avitaminoses)... but could be a pathogen
at play... perhaps something environmental... A cure not likely> His
eyes are perfectly clear and all my other fish are healthy. He was the
last fish I added 8 months ago. The tank is a 54 corner reef with a sump
and refugium, 50 lbs of live rock, and a 2 inch sand bed. My water
parameters are fine. The other fish are a flame angel, yellow wrasse,
black and white ocellaris, and 3 Chromis. I also have a fire
shrimp and a cleaner shrimp. I usually feed Mysis and occasionally
Cyclop-eeze, flake, or blood worms. I was wondering if it could be some
sort of nutritional deficiency. <Yes, this is most likely... You
could/might try reversing this with soaking foods in a vitamin/HUFA mix
like Selcon... Please see WWM re.> Thanks so much for your time. I
look forward to your answer. Angela Collison <Bob Fenner>
Shrimp Goby Quick question for you guys in regards to fish
'breathing'. I noticed my clown fish don't appear to 'breath'... as in
you can't see their gills move while they swim around. However, I
noticed yesterday and today my Spotted Prawn-Goby (Amblyeleotris
guttata) breathing quite rapidly. You can see his gills really
working. The goby has spent the last month with only half his body
visible the other half under a rock or in a hole etc. I can't remember
if I could see his gills working away in the past, but now that he is
more active and swims around more... I have noticed him breathing quite
quickly. He still feeds very actively and will scamper under a rock
really fast when my Coral Banded Shrimp gets near him. Is this
something to worry about? <No! I wouldn't worry. Prawn-Gobies are
little tiny fish. I'm sure the rest of your fish must look like whales
to him!> Do Spotted Prawn-Gobies breath quickly??? <Some fish
respire very fast others not so fast. In general, the smaller the fish
the quicker the respiration, I have a Salaries fasciatus that breaths
unbelievably fast...and always has> I just checked my water last
night. pH 8.2, no traces of ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, temperature
has remained constant over the last month at around 77F, water salinity
is 1.021. I did have a small battle with ammonia over a 5 day period
almost 20 days ago but the goby seemed fine all the while. <Let's
solve the problem that caused that last ammonia spike. Ammonia spikes
can and will cause all sorts of unpredictable problems with your
livestock...even long after the spike is over> My clown fish are fine
and my shrimp and crabs are fine. Also of note, there is no
discoloration with my goby. Am I being too paranoid or is this just
the way the fish is? <Maybe a little too paranoid. Hard to say
knowing that you've been dealing with ammonia troubles. I would
definitely solve the source of the ammonia> Dave <David Dowless>
Sick orange watchman goby? No Hi, I don't know if my Orange
Watchman goby is sick. I just noticed his behavior is weird. He just
sits under a rock and doesn't move around all that much. He used to be
active digging holes, etc. but now he just sits under this rock and when
I feed the fish he does go out and grab food. Today I saw that he
grabbed some food and went back under his rock and it almost looked like
some of the food went through his gills/sifter part of his body. Is
there anything I should do? <Not abnormal... this is how this species
sieves food from substrate> This has been going on for a few days and
I just been observing. Should I worry? <No> What do you think it
is? I added some new live rock and a Niger triggerfish to the tank maybe
2 days ago, but it seems to go back further than when I added the new
stuff. Thanks, Kristofer <Keep your eye on the trigger... the Goby is
a much more peaceful, passive animal... Bob Fenner>
Watchman goby dead! Hi, I came home from work yesterday and
saw my orange watchman goby dead at the bottom of the tank, h is mouth
opened like he was screaming in terror! I was so sad, but I have no idea
how he died or what caused his death. <Mmm, the gaping mouth... may
have nothing to do with the death> I didn't notice any lacerations or
bites or anything on him because I suspected the Niger triggerfish
(that's probably 2 weeks old now) killed him, but could it have been
just a life cycle or something of goby fish? I mean how long do they
live? <At least a handful of years> He's probably been in the tank
for almost 2 years now. He was one of the coolest fish in the tank.
Please let me know. Thank you! <I'd rule out an environmental
cause... like low oxygen... as your other fishes weren't affected... But
don't know what might be the cause here. Bob Fenner> -
Watchman Goby Missing Lower Lip! - Hi everyone, This is my
first time posting here. I'm quite new to the saltwater hobby and can
honestly say I'm obsessed. I've been having a watchman goby for about
two weeks now. I've noticed that his bottom lip is deteriorating and his
jaw bone is exposed. He seems to be eating from what I can see. This
is what my tank consists of: I have a 75 gallon with live rock and live
sand. Occupants are: Percula clown, pygmy angel, yellow watchman goby,
blood red shrimp, pistol shrimp, seven hermit crabs, ten snails, sand
sifting star, cabbage leather coral, elephant ear shroom, long tentacle
plate coral. My tank has been running for over three months now. Water
quality and salinity is excellent. I had a mimic yellow tang but it died
two days ago from blood spots according to LFS. LFS gave me Erythromycin
to put in tank, but I'm not sure if that is a good idea. <It's not...
best to administer that stuff in a quarantine tank - will kill your
biological filter.> I am running a wet/dry filtration system with an
overflow box. A Seaclone protein skimmer and two Maxi-Jet 600 power
heads. I introduced goby a month after yellow tang. Could the goby have
passed something on to my tang? <Well... spots like you describe are
often bacterial, and so yes that can affect other fish in the tank.> Any
advice is greatly appreciated. <Consider removing your remaining fish to
a bare quarantine tank - you can put in some pieces of PVC for places to
hide and treat with the Erythromycin there. W> Thanks, MICHELLE
<Cheers, J -- > Cryptocentrus
leptocephalus - Pink Spotted Watchman (Shrimp) Goby Question -
03/11/2006 Hi - First off I want to thank you for all the great
reading information. I've learned more in 2 days of reading your
posts then I would have learned in a month from any other site I've
seen! I'm not exactly sure how you have your site setup though when it
comes to questions so if I should go through another method to request
help please let me know. <Mmm, nope. This is it> I've
researched what I can to find the species names (hoping it would make it
easier) <Appreciate this> I've stumbled into your site while
looking for information on worms and my god I never thought there would
ever be so much information on worms. (I've recently discovered bristle
worms and two other species that I'm trying to identify). But that's
not exactly what has prompted me to look for some help or
advice. Actually it's about my goby that I've had for many years 3-4
now. From the very setup of my 90 gallon tank he has been by my side
very healthy, active and always "around" sifting and basically doing his
thing. The past week or two he's suddenly started to get sluggish and
today he's staying in his shell that he claimed from the day he landed
(ha ha) into my tank. Actually he's been staying in it more and more as
each day has passed. I don't want to start going crazy with anything
(fearing something has gone astray with my tank) so I've been trying to
find something to determine if it's possible if he's just getting old
now. One other important note is that I have another fish a Royal
Gramma Basslet (Gramma loreto) that has also become slow, but he only
started acting this way when he started getting attacked by my Neon
Dottyback (Pseudochromis aldabraensis). Originally they got along fine
for 5 months then suddenly they started battling over territory.
<Very common twixt these species, families... similarly shaped, resource
using...> I also have a wide variety of fish from an angel - clown -
tang - fire shrimp - clown goby - Hawkfish - <Surprised the Hawk
hasn't consumed the shrimp...> others mentioned above and maybe one
or two I'm forgetting. (trying to give a little more info on the
situation in the tank). With all this in consideration should I be
worried about the sudden change in the goby? <Such behavioral
changes/observations are always a source of concern, input> Is it
that he's nearing his natural life span? Or do you think I might have
some unknown problem in my tank that I have yet to determine? <Best
to watch all livestock, keep monitoring water quality... When, where in
doubt, water changes, the use/replacement of chemical filtrants,
abatement of supplementation are good considerations. Bob Fenner>
Thank you in advance Anthony
Watchman Goby Beat Himself Up? 4/30/07 Bob, I would
like to share something unusual that happened with my Yellow
Watchman Goby (Cryptocentrus cinctus) last week, as it may be
helpful for others to see a picture of this phenomenon, and of
course am curious on your take on his situation. Last Saturday
evening, I placed a new piece of liverock in my tank after it had
been quarantined for a few weeks. On Sunday morning, Watchman
popped out of his cave for breakfast, and looked awful!! He had a
huge blood-red mustache! (coincidentally the same color of the
vestiges of BGA that are still lingering in my tank - although
definately declining - slooooowly). So after determining that
he did not in fact have a smear of algae on his face, we got
concerned. He is a senior citizen in my tank, and I get nervous if
anything is amiss with him, he has been such a fascinating fish.
He is 9 years old, and 10 years is the highest estimate I have seen
anywhere for their lifespan. He had no signs of disease, was
behaving, eating, and breathing perfectly normally. Actually, he
seemed braver and hungrier than usual, since he has been extra shy
since adding the newest fishes a couple of months back. Anyway,
back to his bruises, bright red, under the skin, no scrapes or
external damage apparent. You can see in the photo that his
iridescent spots are still visible on top of the bruise. Just bright
red blood pools above both sides of his mouth. It was a little
darker on his left side, but very symmetrical in pattern. I could
only surmise that he had bruised his face, maybe banging into the
side of his cave as I moved the rocks above his roof. I could
only find one reference to this possible problem at
www.nationalfishpharm.com under "changes in color". They mention
possible bruising around the mouth due to fighting or intensive
spawn site cleaning. Everyday his bruises have gotten less scary
looking. The first couple of days they turned more brown rather
than red and now have faded to a slight shadow, that would not be
noticeable if I weren't looking for it. He continues to eat and act
perfectly normal. Do you think he could have banged his own head
hard enough to do this? <Possibly> The only other possible
culprit is the Mithrax crab who was marching around the perimeter of
the tank uncharacteristically the same morning, also apparently
disturbed by the new rock that I put right in his normal territory
(again, right above the goby). I find it hard to believe that the
crab could have pinched him so perfectly on both sides of his face,
and think that a head on collision would create this pattern more
likely. And really the crab's claw is not big enough to fit the
goby's entire head into. <Mmmm, well, Mithraculus spp., esp. at
size, can be predaceous... perhaps it was involved... indirectly...
in "scaring" your Goby... causing it to dash about injuring itself>
Thought this might be a good photo for others to see if they ever
run into this problem. Thanks!! Alex <Thank you for
sharing. Bob Fenner> |  |  |
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