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Bristle/Fireworms (Errantiate Polychaete) Identification FAQs 11

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Polychaete identification help, photo attached      11/1/17
Hi crew,
<Edith>
I have been reading your archive of helpful answers on all things related to bristle worms/Polychaetes/etc since I found 3 larger specimens in my 75 gallon marine tank. I have photographed one, this one is new to me today.
(The other two I have been trying to get photos of but they sense any movement and suck back under the rocks at lightning speeds.)
<Oh yes>
The one I am attaching a photo of is softer looking, and less scary while the other two seem harder bodied, more officially segmented and have shorter firm protrusions that may be "hairs?" These ones leave trails of slime and sand on the sand bed each morning and stretch the length of the tank at times.
Any help with either identification is greatly appreciated. I will send a photo of the other worms if/when I can get them on camera.
-Edith
<My best guess, as to family is Amphinomidae. Bob Fenner>

cropped, spiffed...

Eunice ID      12/4/16
<Please crop your pic and re-send... See our guidelines. Your file is more than an order of magnitude too big. B>
Re: Eunice ID

Apologies, hopefully the attached is okay and you can still see enough detail? Nick
<? You didn't crop.... >
Subject: Eunice ID

Hi there Bob,
<Nick>
Sorry to bother you once again but I am approaching my wits end with this hobby at the moment and have another question for you if you don't mind, I was hoping you could clarify whether you think the worms in the attached pic are juvenile Eunice worms?
<Might well be Eunicids>
After 1 week of attempted trapping I bit the bullet and destroyed one of my rocks to remove a 4" Eunice this morning. After stirring up the tank somewhat during the rock removal I found these 2 critters in my filter sock. Looking at the antennae on the head I think I already know the answer but was hoping you could give me a second opinion as to whether these are Eunice. They are tiny at the moment (they were in a shot glass for the pic) but I'm concerned I may have many many more of them.
<Mmm; well; IF they're not causing trouble....>
If these are indeed juv Eunice does that mean its likely I have another larger specimen in addition to the one I removed?
<Possibly...>
Knowing I had gotten rid of what I thought was the only bobbit in the tank I went and added a couple of very small Pterapogon kauderni and am now fairly concerned they may be at risk.
<I'd use your trap once a month; and not worry (or try not to!)>
Thanks again
Nick
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>

Re: Eunice ID      12/5/16
Ahh sorry please see attached for cropped version, that'll teach me to rush!
<Ah; thank you. I did crop and post>
I will definitely be using the trap regularly as you suggest and figure I may take a two pronged approach by also employing the services of a captive-bred Pseudochromis fridmani to help clear up the little ones.
<An excellent idea>
Can you offer any insight into whether captive bred Fridmani's still retain the same instincts for hunting Polychaetes as their wild caught counterparts?
<They do... and (of course) there are larger, even more eager bristle worm predators... Arrow Crabs, bigger and bigger Labrids/Wrasses... Tetraodontiform fishes if they'll go>
The only other fish in my 90g (48x18x24) are 2 x clowns, 2 x Kaudern's cardinals and I have a captive bred coral beauty going in soon so I think compatibility wise this should work (in theory!).
Regards
Nick
<And you, BobF>

Eunice Worm (Bobbit)
Hi, I have been trying to ID this Eunice worm to see if it is one that will stay small, and I don't have to worry about it, or if I should make more of an effort to remove it from the tank?
<I'd keep it; at least for now.... Interesting!>
This is the second one I've found since adding more Tonga branch rock to my tank.
<Mmm; HUGE species can come in with live rock>
I was able to easily get the first one out, but this guy is just way too fast, and I don't think a traditional type trap will work. For some reason, the ones I've found in my tank seem to prefer the sand, I have never seen one actually in the rockwork. I don't know if that means anything as far as ID goes.
<Not to/for me>
Also, so far, they have been fairly easy to monitor, as they seem to like building their burrow along the glass. This was about the best photo I could get. I've watched the videos of some online, and I don't know how they shine the light on them, and get film because as soon as the light changes, mine is gone in a flash. Thanks for your time, and help...it is
much appreciated. Y'all Rock!!!
<Thank you for sending this along (mon) Cheri... I have an olde but extensive backgd. in Errantiate Polychaete ID (work for EIRs, EISs here in S. Ca.); but can only assert that this does appear to be a member of the genus Eunice. Need to really remove, (kill), preserve, examine such worms closely (w/ a dissecting scope usually, or a good loupe)... A useful key to subtaxa here: http://www.boldsystems.org/index.php/TaxBrowser_Taxonpage?taxid=80788
Am going to post your pix, a drawing of a poss. related species on WWM today, and send all along to Lynn Zurik, our keenest marine life identifier, for her separate response. Bob Fenner>

 

Re: Eunice Worm (Bobbit)       9/21/16
Thank you so much for the quick reply, and forward! I will do as you suggest..just observe for now. I find it fascinating as to how fast it rebuilds, and changes its burrow..it has had to a few times because of my failed attempts at capture...lol
Cheri
<Really neat animals! Cheers Cher. BobF>
Re: Eunice Worm (Bobbit)       9/21/16

Oh, and thanks for the link...great photos and IDs.
Cheri
<Ahh! B>

Eunice Worm (Bobbit): Follow-up - 9/21/16       9/23/16
Hi,
<Hello Cheri, Lynn here this evening.>
I have been trying to ID this Eunice worm to see if it is one that will stay small, and I don't have to worry about it, or if I should make more of an effort to remove it from the tank? This is the second one I've found since adding more Tonga branch rock to my tank. I was able to easily get the first one out, but this guy is just way too fast, and I don't think a
traditional type trap will work.
<Probably not>
For some reason, the ones I've found in my tank seem to prefer the sand, I have never seen one actually in the rockwork.
<Better to have it in the sand that in your coral. Some can cause real problems there (boring into/through the coral).>
I don't know if that means anything as far as ID goes. Also, so far, they have been fairly easy to monitor, as they seem to like building their burrow along the glass. This was about the best photo I could get. I've watched the videos of some online, and I don't know how they shine the light on them, and get film because as soon as the light changes, mine is gone in a flash.
<Oh yes, indeed! I'm in complete agreement with Bob regarding this little critter. I'd keep an eye on it, enjoy it, and only remove it if it becomes a threat. Eunice worms have gotten a bit of a bad reputation and believe me, after seeing videos of E. aphroditois in action, I get it! That is one heck of an effective ambush predator! Thankfully, most of the little worms
we see in aquaria pose no real threat to livestock. In the case of Eunicids, they range from being deposit-feeding detritivores, to feeding on coralline and macro-algae, other Polychaete worms, Foraminiferans, carrion, and yep, larger prey (as in the case of the above-mentioned creep-fest).
For right now, I'd go with innocent until proven guilty. >
Thanks for your time, and help...it is much appreciated.
<It was a pleasure, Cheri.>
Y'all Rock!!!
<Thanks! Take care, Lynn Zurik>

Unknown worm.      7/10/16
After a couple of years of happy reefing and not bothering you guys. I added a new rock to my tank. And a couple of days later I noticed a worm in my tank. Looked all over your site and haven't found one that matches.
About 2 foot long and about 1/4 inc in circumference. It has legs like a centipede but they seem to point up and down. About every third one or so is sticking up. The head end looks like a worm with a square shovel for a head. I tried taking a picture but it sucked. I found one online accept that I didn't see eyes on mine, but the shovel shaped extension is similar. Mine might have been a bit more squared and thicker. I have seen it a couple of weeks but I haven/t realized how big it was until it has migrated earlier this week and it seemed to go on forever. But judging on where the head was and the tail was its about 2 feet maybe more. It wasn't a concern until I saw it bug my turbo snail earlier today. It didn't seen to have taken a bite just poked it with the head end an than gave up after several attempts. I attached a couple of pictures and a video. Hopefully it will all fit in your inbox. Please let me know what you think it is and if I should try and get it out. And if I do, should I wear some sort of protection. Thank you. Artur.
<Hi Artur
Jordan with you tonight. Unfortunately you have an Oenone fulgida. A particularly nasty predator that I'm all too familiar with. They prey primarily on gastropods but I've seen them go after other inverts. They are primarily nocturnal and it is odd that you saw one during the day. I would take that as a sign that there are likely many more. I've had success removing them with a PVC trap. Use an 8 or 9 inch piece of PVC capped with removable ends. Drill a small hole in the pipe for the worms to enter. Bait the trap using PE Mysid inside a mesh bag that is tied shut so they cannot get to the bait. Place in the tank at lights out and pull in the morning.
Wear gloves as the worms produce a toxic mucus. Conus regius can be used to keep numbers in check but it will prey on beneficial Polychaetes as well.>

Re: Unknown worm.  ID and Polychaete control 7/9/16        7/12/16
I have a healthy cleanup crew with many different worms. Will i be able to separate the nasty one from the good stuff? If yes than whats the best way? If not than how do i limit the amount of benign worms i have to throw away. Im assuming that the thing was just looking for a new home because i have transferred a rock from my friends tank in to mine recently. Or at least i hope so. Dealing with an infestation of those things is not what i want to do. Thank you for the quick response. <Hi Artur. I have limited saltwater experience but have dealt with these things myself. Someone else with a better idea may chime in here as well but I introduced a predatory specie that would remove them much like a freshwater assassin snail would kill and consume nuisance snails. Conus regious would be a wise choice. Like Jordan said there are likely many more. Id use the PVC trap and depending on how large your system is I would consider building 2. I inherited a 400 gallon system from my father with these ugly little critters in it. I made 3 traps and introduced a small armada of 5 Conus regious and it cleared them out of the system rather quickly. Feel free to contact us anytime with anymore questions. Good luck. ~Ian>
re: Unknown worm.7/9/16        7/12/16

I had a crown conch before. It ate all of my snails. Its like fighting fire with fire. Ill stick to the traps. Any sigestion<suggestion?> on the size? Do i need to makw<make likely > it longer than the worm i intend to catch? What about the width? I have some one inch pvc im not using, will that work? I got a 65 gallon but its being overfed relygeously<...>. So my worms and copepods and stars are probably enough to keep your 400 as clean as a wostle. I had a batch of 30 Turbos die in my sump about a month ago and the tank didn't even get phased. So im assuming that even if i catch the really bad worms it will be accompanied by about 100 of the good bristle worms and stars. Not to mention the copepods. Any type of bait that the nasty creater will go for that others would not touch? I don't want to decimate my cleaning crew in the process of catching the buggers.
<Please spell check before sending. Unfortunately that's the trick using bait as it will attract a range of critters including the bad worms. I would use mysis shrimp cubes fresh or frozen in a small mesh bag that they cannot get to or consume. I'd use 2" diameter PVC pipe around a foot long. Check the trap regularly and remember to wear protective gloves as these nasty things can and will release a toxic mucus. Then I would empty it into a half full white 5 gallon bucket and if there are any beneficial creatures in there take them out of the bucket and toss them back into your system. Dispose of the other miscellaneous nuisances how you wish. ~Ian>
Re: Unknown worm.    7/13/16

Thank you l. Very much. (I type in multiple languages so i had to shut the spell-check off. Sorry about that.)
<Very welcome. Best of luck to you. Ian>

What kind of worms are these?       4/5/15
Hi guys, i just got some Chaeto from a local store and noticed some hitchhiking worms. A few small and 2 or 3 sizeable ones (1" or so length).
I'm guessing they are Fireworms based on coloration,
<Yes; Errantiate Polychaetes... several families are ID'd on WWM>
but want to clarify if they're harmless or if they're the predatory coral eating Hermodice carunculata, before i introduce them to my reef sump.
Thanks in advance!
Josh
<Are predaceous on something/s... but if not too large or numerous... See WWM re compatibility. Bob Fenner>

 

what is this creature?      12/2/14
i found a flatworm i removed it from the tank, then i looked at the same spot the flat worm was (on Zoas) and there was something else i removed it from the tank and took these 2 pix of it. the front and back of the creature, it was moving almost looked like it was walking using the spikes, look like it had a mouth or anus on the flat side edge where there are no spikes.
<Yes; I agree; and a good clue>
it was about 2-3 cm in length, it was flat, slimy, no segments, i have shown the pix every reef store in the phx az area and i have show it to a Facebook marine society, i have spent countless hours Googling everything from bristleworms to Nudibranchs, to cucumbers to flatworms. i cant figure out what this creature is.. can you tell me? sincerely Jill
<I do think this is an Errantiate Polychaete... a reproductive part... epitoke.... The bristles/chaetae are definitive... Still, this is only a guess. Thank you for sharing. Bob Fenner>

Is this Oenone fulgida?     5/26/14
Hello All,
<Tom>
I was hoping someone could help with a worm identification.
<Mmm; the Errantiate Polychaete in your pic>
I have a 55 gallon, fish only, with live rock, tank. It has been running for close to two years now. Current residents include a pair of black and white ocellaris (for about 1.5 years), one Salarias fasciatus (new in the last 3 months but doing very well) and one Lysmata amboinensis (added yesterday).
That and various clean-up crew members, bristle worms, and what I believe to be several orange ball anemone (Pseudocorynactis). I have been experiencing suspicious deaths in my tank for some time now. The crime scene has had several characteristics in common. The first is a mucus like web that encases the victim in question. The second is the location of the victim, which has been near one rock in particular. Losses have included numerous Florida and dwarf Ceriths and Nerite snails as well as several fish, most recently my attempts at adding a dwarf angel. The last addition was a flame angel from live aquaria. I decided not to quarantine this time (I know) as I have not been having luck with the process. Meaning that they appear to do well in quarantine but succumb after only a few days in my display.
The flame arrived and was not doing well from the start, alternating between appearing normal and laying on the bottom of the bag on its side or upside down. I acclimated over several hours and introduced it to my display.
Again it alternated between the two states of being. This morning I found it deceased, in the bad part of town, encased in the mucus web being had for breakfast by what I believe to be Oenone fulgida. I don't know if the flame
was dead before the worm got a hold of it or just weak and easy prey.
<Me neither>
After having done some research I decided to remove the host rock and dip it in fresh ro water. This is what came out of the rock so far. (Best pic I could get with my camera). Question one, is it Oenone fulgida?
<Might be>
Question
two, what are the chances I have more?
<There might well be>

I do have a healthy bristle worm population (I hope just bristle worms, they are much thinner that this specimen and actually spend time out in the open on the sand bed). My clowns and algae blenny have not been bothered by this. Was it just being opportunistic or is it a true fish killer?
<Can't tell; but could well "cross the line" if hungry. Best to set a trap or two, bait them out and remove. See WWM re Bristleworm Compatibility>
Thanks as always for all your sage advice.
Tom
<Sort of like the plants in the canyon out back; I agree (free and
aromatic). Bob Fenner>

 

need help identifying worm   1/22/14
Hi Crew!
<Kristin>
First, love the site, really helps a lot! Second, I've Google searched this so much and I still can find one that i think looks like the pictures. Its in with my copepods in the mess they make, very small, but visible to the eye. Brown in color, same as the copepods waste. I could not see with visible eye that they had tiny leg like things.
<Yes; podia, parapodia...>
 Under scope they do and a round head with interesting dark spot that i don't think is eye spots and two points at the back of it.  I just want to make sure they aren't eating my pods, i think they're harmless just bottom tank cleaners but I'd like a second opinion. I have not noticed a decrease in pod population but these things are increasing in population.
Thanks!
Kristin
<Epitoke phase... Errantiate Polychaete ("Bristleworm). Bob Fenner>

Re: need help identifying worm   1/22/14
Thanks!
<Welcome>
I Google searched the Errantiate Polychaete and looked at your site, i got this from your site...
"Errantiate Question  9/28/05 Hello,
<JackDan> I have a Marine Tank.  I identified these worms in my tank as  "Errantiate" through your site.
<Ah... yes... a "higher taxonomic" category of Polychaete worms... Sedentariate ones are tubiculous... make tubes, don't
move... Errantiate ones, as in "to err is human" (sort of) are mobile... they move about>   Now that I have
identified them, I'm having trouble finding out if they are good or not. <Most are no problem. Larger ones, or too many
can become predaceous> "
if it gets big then I could have a problem...  Since its so small I'm assuming this one will not get huge and hurt things... Or could i be very off and this thing could get pretty big? I will keep them separate and watch them grow i guess to see how big they get.
<... can't tell "at this juncture": but I would not be concerned... There are many species; large and small... but most won't/don't survive metamorphosis/es in captivity. Likely "these too shall pass">
Will this guy be bad for my pods or my tank? Or is he just a scavenger that will help clean things up? Don't want a predator if i can avoid it.
Kristin
<A distant possibility of concern. Again, don't panic. BobF>


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