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African Cichlid problem
Malawi Cichlid With Hole In The Head 6/19/09
You have a great site, I have learned a lot browsing through it.
<Thank yo for your kind words>
Please help me asap!
Background:
55 gallon tank
Inhabitants: One 6-7" female Fossorochromis Rostratus (6.5 years old),
Three
1-inch female Aulonocaras
Filtration: Eheim 2213 canister filter
Nitrates: 5 ppm right before water change
Nitrites: 0
Ammonia 0
pH: 7.5
Water Change Frequency: 40-50% twice a week Food: homemade from internet
recipe and Hikari Marine A Temperature: 76 F Symptoms: All inhabitants
healthy with absolutely no prior medical problems.
The Fossorochromis recently began showing minor symptoms of hole in the
head disease, much to my dismay. I went through a round of Metro+ and
added liquid vitamins to her food with no discernible improvement, but
no worsening either. Yesterday noticed a reddened area and "pimple" near
her mouth and her fins were down. Suspected bacterial infection of some
kind.
As I hadn't had time to research the situation fully (gram positive or
negative or something else entirely) and haven't had to use antibiotics
of any kind in the last 6 years of this hobby, I added the only thing I
had on hand, Pimafix. Yes, I am aware that is like giving herbal
remedies to an MSRA patient, but I had nothing else and live an hour
from the nearest pet store. This morning her fins are back to normal
intermittently but she is breathing very hard. I added an air stone and
am in the process of changing the water yet again to increase oxygen
content. She appears to be breathing easier now, but not back to normal.
I own nine freshwater aquariums and fortunately have never seen this
before so I don't know what is going on.
All the rest of the inhabitants in her tank are just fine. Any ideas are
welcome! Thank you for your time and suggestions. Rebecca
< There are
ideas about the causes of hole in the head disease without any
scientific evidence to back them up to my satisfaction, but you have
eliminated some of the theoretical causes. Some people think it is bad
water. This is not the case because you water conditions are fine and
you are up on your water changes so it is not nitrogenous waste either.
This comes down to diet. Usually food with fish meal contains enough
calcium for fish to build their bones as they grow. Since you make your
own fish food it is hard to tell if your food has enough calcium in it.
Larger fish need more calcium to replenish the calcium needed to build
their bones. Try Spectrum New Life pellet food for awhile and see if
this makes any difference. I have never had a problem with HITH while
using this food. If this works then in your situation we may have found
a possible cause and cure.-Chuck>
Update on African Cichlid situation... hlth.
Malawi Cichlid With Hole In The Head 6/19/09
Thought I would add an update. After the massive water change, which rid
the tank of Pimafix, the Fossorochromis in question returned to
breathing and acting normally, so maybe her problem was due to that.
<Possibly>
I don't plan to use that product again.
<I would not>
However she still has the small raised red bump by her mouth and the
beginning HITH situation.
<Likely best cured by providing ongoing optimized water quality and
nutrition>
I will refrain from adding any more medication, herbal or otherwise,
without strong recommendation.
Thanks
for your time.
Rebecca
<Thank you for sharing. Bob Fenner>
Re: African Cichlid problem
Cichlid With HITH
6/21/09
Thank you for your advice. The reddish sore resolved into another small
HITH-like hole, but at least no infection. She is acting normally. I am
purchasing Spectrum New Life pellet food online as I write this and
implementing daily 25% water changes just in case. I will update you on
the
results as soon as something changes. Thanks again. Rebecca
< Try to increase the calcium content of the water by adding some
crushed coral to the filter. As it dissolves into the water it may be
ingested by the fish.-Chuck>
Re: African Cichlid problem
Hole-In-The-Head Treatment 7/1/09
I purchased the recommended New Life Spectrum food. Until the food
arrived, I added powdered calcium to the water and a little to her food
as well as a big mesh bag of crushed coral. Since following your advice,
one hole has gotten so small I have a hard time finding it, the other
two don't seem to have changed too much yet (although all redness is
gone), and no new holes are forming. She looks and acts normal and I
have high hopes that she is recovering. Thank you for sharing your
theory and giving a friend back to me! I will update again when
something major occurs, such as (hopefully) her complete recovery.
Rebecca
< Thank you so much for writing back. It is times like this that makes
me glad that your question was asked and that all fellow aquarists and
their pet cichlids might benefit from our WWM forum. Hopefully the
recovery will continue and this disease will no longer become an
issue.-Chuck>
Re: African Cichlid problem
Hole-In-The-Head Cured on African Cichlid – 10/3/09
I apologize for taking so long to get back to you and I want to thank
you again for your advice. My female Fossorochromis has fully recovered
and does not seem to be having any further issues with hole-in-the-head.
I am feeding her (and all my African cichlids) New Life Spectrum food
along with krill and small shrimp. Once a week I supplement her food
with a little calcium and glucosamine (which is apparently derived from
shellfish and shrimp shells). I have also added crushed coral to her
canister filter media. Everything seems to be going well now and has
been for the last few months. Thank you, Rebecca
< Glad to hear everything worked out OK.-Chuck>
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Oscar With HITH 02/06/09
I have seen much info. on the site about treating HITH by medicating the food. I
purchased General Cure (API) Brand which contains 250mg Metronidazole & 75mg
Praziquantel per packet (box of 10). The directions say to treat the water,
1pkt/ 10 gal. He is in a 55 gal tank. I know if I put him in a smaller treatment
tank he will be unhappy and fear he will go off food. Since my Oscar is eating
well I would rather treat the food. Can this combination of meds be used in
treating the food? If so, should I use the same dosage you have recommended for
the metronidazole (1/2 t / 4oz.)? < Treating the food as recommended is a
big advantage over treating the entire tank. I would also recommend a change in
diet to a high quality pellet food and checking the nitrates to keep them under
20 ppm.> Other info: The Oscar does not have white / slimy poo. I received
him from a petstore when the previous owner could no longer care for him. At
that time he had what appeared to be fin rot as well as a small pin sized hole
in his head. He was being kept in a 10 gal tank before I received him. He was
lethargic and off food. I treated him w/ Melafix for the sores which have
quickly healed. He began to eat about four days after I put him in the 55 gal.
tank and treated w/ Melafix. The hole however has grown slightly larger in the
last three weeks It started in one sensory pit and has now eroded an entire
cluster of pits. I have been taking pictures every few days to monitor its
progress. < Treat the food as recommended and keep up with the maintenance.
Generally it is believed to be a symptom of a dietary deficiency with a
combination of a pathogen feeding on a weakened host.-Chuck>
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Hole in the head disease 11/16/08
Only one of my Oscars have hole in the head disease. I have two in the same
tank. Should I treat all the fish or remove the sick one and treat him in
another tank?? Thank You and I love your web site VERY HELPFULL! ;) <All
should be treated. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/HLLESWCauseF.htm and the linked files above. Bob
Fenner>
My Frontosa, HLLE tissue damage
- 7/1/08
Hi, I wrote you before about my Front, Georgie and his
hole-in-the-head problem, and that I treated him with Medizole and
Furnace, I then noticed it looked like fungus so I treated him again
with just the Furnace, It looked like it went away but his holes
didn't look any better, so I then treated him with some medication
called Hole-in-the-Head by JUNGLE, and he still looks like this, is
there any hope?
<To heal the wounds from the neuromast destruction? Mmm, yes... with
time, good nutrition, water quality...>
( I sent you a couple pics) I have had him for a long time( we think
he is around thirteen years) and he has always been healthy but know
I am at a loss, usually when I treat my fish I have good luck if I
catch it right away, I am sending you a few pics and see if you can
see what you think,
Thank you for your time,
John Cline
<Have seen worse cases remit. Do try feeding Spectrum pellets
exclusively, being religious re weekly water changes... Read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs3.htm
and the linked FAQs files in this series above. Bob Fenner>
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Cichlid With Hole-In-The-Head 4/8/06
I have a 9” red flame cichlid that has developed raw spots on its head
(above the eyes and below the dorsal fin, and between his eyes) they
developed after his tank mate died about 3 weeks ago. The spots seemed to
have blood circulating to them because I see red within the areas. I do 25
-30 % water changes about every 10 days (55 gal whisper 3 filter) I have
also been adding aquarium salt (1 tablespoon a day for three days now). I
have had the water tested and is within the norm. He is the only fish in
the tank and has stopped eating for at least 4 days, spends a lot of time on
the bottom. When I turn on the light he comes to the top to eat, if he
even bothers to take any Hikari cichlid gold pellets, he just seems to swim
backwards any spits them out. These spots are not deep; they seem to be just
on the surface. The one above his eyes is approx ½” across and slowly
getting bigger. He has had these spots before but this big and not for this
long. Any help you can provide would be much appreciated Thank you Dave
< Do a 50% water change, vacuum the gravel and clean the filter. Treat with
Metronidazole and Nitrofuranace. When he starts to eat , offer some live
food live washed earthworms, and watch for ammonia spikes because the
medication will affect the biological filtration.-Chuck>
Hole in the Head and Eye Problems ... Oscars - 03/27/06
Hi WWM Crew, I have had Oscars since 1980 and never had any problems
with them before. I believe that is because I pay such careful attention to
water quality and diet. However, just recently one of my two 12" Oscars
starting laying on the bottom and gasping for air. This has gone on about a
week. The pH, Nitrates and Ammonia are perfect. I feed them Hikari pellets.
The one in question has one boated eye and lays on the bottom of the 80
gallon tank. If I reach in and touch him he has good energy and swims
strongly across the tank. He can also come up for food but lately I can tell
it is getting harder for him. The only other symptom is a slight hole in the
head which I treat but can never seem to make go completely away. I have
tried Maracyn TC as I thought it was bacterial. Then MarOxy as the Maracyn
TC did nothing so maybe it was fungal. This also did nothing. I have tried
salt and several water changes but nothing seems to work. Any thoughts?
Art
<Most eye problems, as well as Hole in the Head, start when too much organic
matter starts to build up in a tank. Please re-test the water. After a few
rounds of meds you have probably lost your cycle. Also, when doing a water
change always use a gravel vac to remove as much waste as possible. Hole in
the Head is caused by a protozoa. Metronidazole is the drug of choice.
However the wounds caused by the protozoa can become infected by bacteria or
fungus. Keeping your system pristine will help greatly. This will also help
with his breathing and eye problems. Should the eye begin to swell, add
Epsom salt at the rate of one tbls per 5 gallons. Replace the Epsom salt in
the new water when doing a change until the swelling goes down. Don>
Gouramis With Hole-In-The-Head - 05/23/2006
Hi there. OK. My eyes hurt. Been reading your FAQ's. Can't find definitive
info on what I'm looking for. I seem to have a Hole in Head "outbreak" in
my aquarium. I have a 60gal, heavily planted, tank; plenty of lava stone
and wood for hiding. Penguin 400 filter, CO2 diffuser, 17 Gouramis, a Pleco
and a small Cory. Water changes are every other week, (sometimes weekly if
I think it needs it) Filter cartridges rinsed bi-weekly, changed monthly
(per advise of LFS). Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, Nitrates tend to be in the hi
20's, touching 30, but I attribute part of that number to plant
fertilizers. Some products tote amazing cures, some say nothing helps Hole
in Head. Any suggestions on how to rid the fish of this? Also.. is this
contagious like Ick? I do see it on 2 or 3 fish, but not the other tank
mates... at least not yet. Thanks. You guys are great John
< Usually this is a problem with some New World cichlids and not associated
with Gouramis. Do a 50% water change, vacuum the gravel and clean the
filter. Treat the tank with Metronidazole and see if that helps. It could
just be a bacterial infection and it may respond to antibiotics like
Kanamycin. If you do decide to use antibiotics then watch for ammonia spikes
because it may affect the biological filtration.-Chuck>
Oscar With Hole-In-The-Head 9/12/06
Hi crew. I have an Oscar which appears to have a hole in the
head. I am not sure whether it is HITH disease. It appears to be very dull.
Can you help me out with the cure and other things to cure it. Thanking you
<Do a 50% water change, clean the filter and vacuum the gravel.
Upgrade the diet top include more live and frozen foods. Treat with
Metronidazole and keep the lights off.-Chuck.>
Gold Severum.........is this hole in the head? Asymmetrical? No
8/14/06
hey guys, first off, great site as always.
I have had a 150 gallon(6 foot tank)) setup for quite some time. Currently
housing
6 inch gold Severum
7 inch Jack Dempsey
3 inch Oscar
4 inch Red jewel
3 1/2" Green terror
(2) 5 inch banded Leporinus
4 inch Gibbiceps Pleco
8 Buenos Aires tetras
<Must be fast!>
I have 2 Emperor 400's for filtration
<And lots of big regular water changes I hope>
Recently I had a aggression problem that caused me to have to give away my 6
inch Green Severum, as he was attacking the Gold Severum often, and when he
wasn't, he was extremely aggressive going for food. Since then I noticed
that what I originally thought was a bite wound on the side of the Gold
Severums face has not healed. As i look at it now I am thinking that either
the wound is not healing or they may just have been open sores from the
beginning.
Both are on the left side if the head, behind the eyes, and before the
gills. There is no "pitting" as i have seen HITH described, however it does
look like the larger sores I have seen in HITH pictures online.
<Mmm...>
Would treatment of non-healing wounds be much different than a treatment for
HITH (if that's what this is?).
<Are identical... improved nutrition, and water quality... sometimes coupled
with the use of a protozoacide>
I will add that i had been lax with maintenance these last 2 months the last
2 months of my wife's pregnancy), however, It had always been top-notch
until now.
<Oh>
Hopefully i can solve with increased maintenance, and frequent water changes
for a few weeks. Since i prefer not to have to set up a hospital tank if I
can avoid it.
<I would not here>
Also, one last question. Regarding stocking. Will this tank be able to
handle another Oscar without having to displace the current inhabitants?
<Not a good gamble, no>
I realize that having two fish that will be 12 inches long each may tax even
this tank.
Thanks in advance for any help you can throw my way!
<If the pitting is not "symmetrical... bilaterally", that is, about the same
on both sides of the fish, this is not likely HLLE, HITH... but "just" sores
or pitting from poor water quality. Bob Fenner>
Experts Asking Experts, Hole-In-The-Head On A Flowerhorn 12/19/06
Good morning, Crew! I hope this day finds you well.
Inspired by your example, I have been helping people with their fishy questions
by volunteering at AllExperts.com. So far, everything has been very
straightforward, but yesterday a gentleman overseas asked me about his
Flowerhorn. I hope you don't feel that I am asking you to "do my homework" for
me, but before I suggest any other treatment besides salt, I wondered if you
wouldn't mind sharing your opinions on what appears to be wrong with this
cichlid. Before he sent me the pictures, I told him it was probably Head and
Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE). Although the pattern of erosion is not what I
expected to see based on his descriptions, I still believe that HLLE is the
causative agent here - but I wanted to double check with the real experts!
Thank you so much for your assistance, you have always been so reassuring and
helpful. There are so few free resources like this on the web at large...what
you have here is remarkable. Happy holidays to all of you! I hope that a fab
getaway is in your future! Nicole
< The exact cause is not known. Generally a 50% water change, vacuuming the
gravel and cleaning the filter improves the water quality and slows the
progression of the disease. Treatments of a combination Metronidazole and
Nitrofurazone have had some success. Some aquarists have also had good luck with
Clout. After treatments have arrested the disease, a more nutritious diet with
fresh ingredients and high vitamin and mineral contents speed the recovery.
Vitamin C seems to be a key vitamin in getting a full recovery. many Flowerhorn
breeders are obsessed with color and developing the fatty hump on the males.
These high fat diets usually develop into diseases like bloat and the hole in
the head that this Flowerhorn seems to have.-Chuck>
Chocolate Cichlid With Hole-In-The-Head Disease 3/27/07
Hello; I thank for the great website. My experiences as an aquarium keeper
have been greatly enhanced by what I have learned on your site. I purchased a 4
inch black ghost knife, and a 3 inch chocolate cichlid two days ago. They are
both in quarantine in a 30 gallon tank; 79F, 0 ammonia & nitrites, nitrates
10-15. The tank has been running with a Pleco and Synodontis (and a few other
temporary 'guests') for about a year an half. The BGK and chocolate cichlid are
to eventually move into a 100 gallon Amazon tank. The problem and
question: After looking at the chocolate cichlid closely, he appears to have
HLLE small lesions behind the eyes on both sides of his head. Three or four
holes on each side. If I do a treatment with Metronidazole on this tank will I
be endangering the black ghost knife?
< The BGK should be unaffected by the treatment.>
I've read about their sensitivity to medications.
< They are mainly sensitive to dyes.>
I plan to treat the tank every two days, after 30% water changes, as the package
instructions state, for ten days. Then, follow up with a good diet and added
vitamins. Any other suggestions or information greatly appreciated. Thank you
very much in advance, Anna
< Should like a solid game plan.-Chuck>
Repeated hole in the head disease, Metronidazole Treatment For HITH - 6/1/07
> My T bar Cichlid is suffering from his 3rd bout of hex this time he
has a small visible pin sized hole above his eye and the usual white
strongly pooh. Last time in September 2006 I treated the tank with
Metronidazole 5mg/L and he recovered well. I have done a water exchange
today and added metro at 5mg/L. Is this repeated dosage likely to harm my
other fish? 2 cat fish 3 rainbows, 2 giant Danios and 1 rosy barb?
< If treated as recommended this medication should have no effect on the
other fish.>
> Also do I need to do 50% water changes in between adding the dosages on
the 2nd 4th and 6 days?
< Metronidazole is affected by organics in the water. The cleaner the water
the better the medication will work. Water changes also reduce organic
waste. The tank is getting cleaner. The water is getting better and the
medication is getting more effective. Sound pretty good to me.-Chuck>
> Many thanks for your help
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Treating An Oscar with
Hole-In-The-Head – 1/04/08
I have an Oscar that has hole in the Head Disease. I have treated him on two
different occasions over a three month period with Fish-Zole. The places on his
head just don't seem to want to heal. He is in a 75 gallon aquarium with a
canister filter which gets cleaned once a week. He gets a 25% water change once
a week. His water quality is in the good range on everything. He gets a variety
of foods (no feeder gold fish). He gets pellets, sticks, krill and a mixture of
beef hearts, garlic, spinach, vitamins and other ingredients twice a week. He
also gets Vita-Chem added to his pellets 5 times a week. He has a very good
appetite and seems to be growing. Should I treat him with the Fish-Zole again or
is there something else That I can use to heal the places on his head. I don't
want to loose him. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Nancy
< This disease takes its own sweet time to heal. If the lesions are not getting
any bigger then you fish is probably cured. The wounds left behind are typically
very slow to heal. They first turn black and then slowly start to close up.
Check the nitrates. Try and keep them under 20 ppm. Your treatment methods are
very sound and hopefully caught in time.-Chuck>
Treat Oscar With
Hole-In-The-Head Part II 1/5/08
I checked the nitrates they are 10 ppm. Some of the places seem to
be turning black but he has a few places that seem to be getting deeper.
The largest one is about 1/8 across and the others are smaller. They are
white in color. I have enclosed a couple of pictures. Maybe you can get
a better idea of my problem. Thanks again. Nancy
< This infection is pretty severe. Never seen it this wide spread
before. Look for a medicated food with Metronidazole in it. Add it to
your fishes regular diet. Keep the water clean and the diet nutritious
like you have been. Drs FosterSmith.com sell a medicated food called
Anti- Parasite. It has Metronidazole in it. Add this to the diet. Keep
tract of the disease by taking pictures of your fish once a week. Date
them and compare them over time to see if he is getting better.-Chuck>
Oscar With Hole-In-The-Head
Gets Treatment 1/7/08
Thank you for your quick response. If you look at the picture that I have
attached. The places midway up toward his dorsal fin and midway down his side
are not the holes that I am talking about. He did those places on the gravel in
the bottom of his tank. The holes are located beneath his gills and to the right
of his eye which seem to be healing and the small ones on top of his nose. I
have started him on the medicated food and also added some MelaFix to his water.
Will see how this does. He really doesn't know what to do with those little
pellets of food but I am sure he will find out. Thanks again for your help.
Nancy
<Don't feed him for a few days and he will be hungry enough to eat the new
medicated food. It looks like you are doing everything you can possibly
do.-Chuck>
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