HLLE Related To Stray
Voltage?
Ground probe 3/20/09
Hello crew and thanks for all the great advice.
<You're welcome.>
The question has been asked before regarding the value of a ground
probe.
I am in agreement with the argument that the probe completes the circuit
and the resulting flow of
current is a bigger problem from a fish and human safety perspective. I
have a 125g FOWLR with powerheads and heaters in the main tank and the
following fish: Powder Brown (A. japonicus), Tomini Tang, Flame Angel
and an Assasi Triggerfish. The Powder Brown, Flame Angel and Assai are
fine,
but the Tomini has what appears to be mild HLLE on his forehead and it
has been very slowly increasing in size for the past 6 months. Also the
behavior of the Tomini is more reclusive then active, color is good and
seems to only like to eat New Life Spectrum pellets along with grazing
the rock and tank walls. I feed a varied diet ( New Life Spectrum
various pellet formulas, Nori, Formula II, Mysis and supplement with
Selcon). I decided to try the ground probe and I have noticed an
immediate change in behavior. The Tomini is more active and less
reclusive and now regularly eats Nori. The mild HLLE seems to be slowly
improving, but its to early to be certain. The other fish have not
changed their behavior. The equipment
in the tank is working fine and all are connected to GFIs. I plan to
experiment some more to better confirm if the ground probe addition is
the primary reason for the change in behavior. I also speculate that if
the
ground probe is a benefit then maybe the Tomini is just more sensitive
to very low electric fields relative to the other species in my tank.
The question is has there been any new information on this topic that
may help
clear up the controversy or is this still just a myth?
No myth, has been cited several times/places and your experience does
not surprise me.
If you had any stray voltage/current in your tank it would be very low
due to your GFIC protection. GFIC's will trip when a difference of 5
milliamps (.005 A) is detected. Simply said, if .25 amps are going out
to the
component, .25 better be coming back or the GFI will trip. As to new
info on HLLE, none that I'm aware of. Do some Googling, and thank you
for sharing your experience with us.>
Thanks again.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
HLLE QUESTION 8/2/05
Hello, I have a Tenecor 180 gal FO setup
with 2 wet dry filters moving 1200 gal per hour, Berlin turbo skimmer w/
ozone, 4 lbs of Tri-Base Carbon from Hyatt labs in one of the sumps, 10
Gal refugium in the other sump, Aqua UV 57w sterilizer. 10% aged H2O
changes every 2 weeks, Trace elements dripped in daily to keep up with
water evaporation. Tank is grounded. Tank is meticulously kept but has
some diatom algae. ( the skimmer has been modified by adding a limewood
airstone don the middle and to the base and extending the neck and the
collection cup to twice normal size Tank Does receive some sunlight.
Stocked w/ Large Naso Tang 4 yr, Purple Tang 9 yr, Fiji Foxface 4
yr, 3 clownfish 9 yr. All fish have been doing great except that the
Foxface has bad HLLE for 3 years and the Purple Tang has moderate HLLE
but all fish act
normal ( i.e. eat like pigs cluster to tank top
when I approach mild fish to fish aggression ) The tail fins of the tang
and Foxface look a bit ragged but not infected. The Perculas have
actually spawned in this tank !!
I feed 2-3x daily combination
Nori w/ Selcon, Ocean Nutrition Form 2, Spectrum Thera A+ with Boyd Vita
Chem, Spirulina flake..
I recently added a beautiful Emperor
Angel after 4 weeks of quarantine but 4 fish got a slight case of crypt
( first outbreak in 4 years ). I decided to use hyposalinity to treat
he display. Inverts i.e. snails hermits & plants
were removed. I
lowered salinity over 4 days to 1.010 and it has worked great.
I
noticed that as I was lowering the salinity with RO water brought to a
pH of 8.3 HLLE actually improved and there was noticeable fin
regeneration in the tang ! Over the years I have noted that the only
thing that has had any
effect on the HLLE is an improvement for 5-7
days after water changes and "control" of the HLLE since trace elements
were dripped in. Addition of Iodine does not do much other than make
the algae bloom. If I skip a water change things seem to worsen.
<Yes>
Once I brought the salinity down to 1.010 and went to
every 2 week water changes I noted now the angel is developing early
signs of HLLE.
Tank chemistry is great with pH 8.3 Nitrates less
than 20 no nitrite or ammonia. I am planning on adding 90 Lbs of cured
LR, and getting the refuge going this time with Gracilaria or Chaeto,
but after I bring the salinity back
up. I have kept the Tri Base
carbon in place now for 3 years and nitrate levels are still low
therefore I have not removed it. Any other suggestions ????
Thanks
Jimmy
<The most common "cause" of HLLE is nutritional... deficiency
of vitamins... but water quality plays an essential role as well... the
single best thing you might do is to convert your wet-dries to other
types of sump filters... Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/tricklefaq2.htm
and here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs.htm
and the linked files above
where you will lead yourself to your apparent options. Bob Fenner>
HLLE-And Poor Husbandry-Not Just A Coincidence... 7/22/05
I've
read through the facts, and I see that HLLE (head and lateral line
erosion) is caused by poor diet, poor water quality, stray voltage..
etc.
<Well, it's not 100% certain what it is, but those seem to be
the likely culprits!>
My question is this. I recently moved from
Baton Rouge to Kenner (Louisiana) and I'm sure you will agree with me
when I say that usually the local fish stores and the way they do things
is generally the way the hobbyists end up doing things in their own
aquarium, in that city. (wow did that make sense??)
<I think I'm
following ya'!>
What I mean is that there really is only one
prominent shop in B.R., and they rely heavily on hang-on-the-back
filtration, really don't utilize ozonizers, use one brand of protein
skimmer etc.
<I see...While mechanical filter systems have their
place, I think it is a bit narrow minded to use only one methodology to
the exclusion of all others....Whether it's in Baton Rouge, Boise,
Honolulu, or Outer Mongolia! Hobbyists and businesses need to be open to
different ideas and accept the way that there is no single best way to
do things in this hobby.>
And the hobbyists that shop there have
tanks that reflect this method. I noticed in a lot of aquariums in Baton
Rouge that HLLE was present, but obviously caused by the lack of water
quality. In these cases it was easily reversed.
<Very true in most
cases, as you correctly observed.>
In New Orleans, there are several
shops that utilize sumps, ozonizers, and calcium reactors, and the
hobbyists out this way are really more in tune with their systems, and
water quality. They feed really well, and frequently, and do smaller
water changes.
<I think that these methods are better long-term
solutions for most hobbyists, despite the initial perception among many
novice fish keepers and even some (retailers) that they are "more
expensive", "more complicated", etc. In the long run, a better system,
properly set up for a sustainable population of fishes will save
countless dollars and needless fish and invert deaths. This is NOT a
cheap hobby, but an initial investment will pay dividends down the
line...We're on the same page here, my friend! Off the soapbox for me
now!>
I'm doing maintenance and have noticed, oddly enough, that
even though the water quality is drastically better, and fish are
getting a better diet and (theoretically) they should have no
HLLE....but it is a prominent issue that I'm dealing with. I'm talking
sever cases, and not just on tangs. And the only thing these customers
of mine have in common is that they all have ozonizers. And the ones
that don't, do not have HLLE.
<Well, in the absence of other
filtration adjuncts and means to improve water quality, ozone would have
a much greater impact. It is an extremely valuable ally in the
maintenance of healthy systems, if properly applied. Good observation by
you.>
I'm about to start treating with Zoe and Zoecon, (have had
remarkable success with these products in the past) and my question to
you is should I experiment with cutting down on the ozone? Placing it on
a timer? How long should the ozone run to be effective? They are
currently on 24 hours a day.
<Well, I don't think that you need to
run high levels of ozone, but you do want to check overall water quality
parameters (such as nitrate, which is a great "yardstick" for measuring
overall water quality), and it may be applicable to use a Redox
controller to monitor ORP if you are a serious user of ozone...although
that might be a bit over-the-top for many hobbyists, IMO. I think that,
in the end- common sense stocking and overall good husbandry-including
the use of ozone, if you feel it is warranted, is the best solution.
Additives such as Zoe, Selcon, etc. are always nice to enhance the
nutritional value of prepared foods. Also, menu items as simple as fresh
macroalgae, such as Gracilaria, do wonders for many herbivorous Tangs
and Rabbitfishes (which are notoriously susceptible to HLLE). You sound
like you've got a great understanding of the problems and methods to
address them!>
Is the HLLE and the ozone just an odd coincidence?
<I don't think so. The connection between the high water quality that
ozone (or other good husbandry habits) affords is no coincidence, IMO.
Hobbyists who use care in stocking, maintenance and overall husbandry
seem to have a much lower occurrence rate of such problems, in my
experience. Keep doing what you are doing, and preach the benefits of
good husbandry and observation to your friends!>
Thanks (again) for
your guidance, Niki -Coral Connection
<It was nice to hear from you,
Niki! sounds like you've got it down good! BTW, for more on the HLLE
condition and some good treatment ideas, do check out a recent article
by good friend and WWM/"Conscientious Aquarist" on line magazine
contributor Steven Pro on this very topic in "Reefkeeping" on line
magazine. A very good, nuts-and-bolts analysis of this condition. Best
of luck to you! Regards, Scott F.>
HLLE...(Cont'd.) 7/27/05
Hi again Scott,
<Hi there! Sorry for the delay in getting back to
you!>
Terribly sorry to bug you, but I don't think I quite
understood the answer. Would you say that the ozone might be lending a
hand in the fish becoming heavily afflicted with HLLE?
<No, I don't
think it is...I do think that if applied correctly, ozone can be a great
assist in maintaining a cleaner environment, thus reducing the potential
for diseases and maladies such as HLLE>
It seems that even though I
treat with food supplements, and increase water change (smaller more
frequent) that the HLLE does not go away. (As it does with tanks that
have no ozone)
The only correlation that I see between the tanks
that have the HLLE that is not reversible is that the ozone is on 24
hours a day. Best regards, Niki@Coral Connection
<Well, Niki- I've
never seen or heard of ozone as being a contributor to more serious HLLE
condition. On the other hand, there is not a whole lot known about the
real causes and "cures" for the condition in question. Much of what we
"know" about HLLE is from anecdotal observations, etc. It's important to
follow up on your theory/observation. Why not try reducing the period of
time when you dose ozone, or even eliminating it entirely? Since you're
basically testing a hypothesis, it's worth a try! Maybe there is a
correlation in your case...Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Strange Skin Condition (re-send), HLLE, SW 7/22/07
Hi Guys, <Mike> Attached are 2 photos which show my 2 tangs
and a skin condition that I'm not sure is cause for concern (is it
HLLE?). <Does appear to be some type/degree of neuromast
destruction, yes...> They've been through an ich battle recently
but have been clear of any white spots since mid-May. <Mmm, could
be resultant from copper exposure alone (HLLE is a condition, not a
specific derived complaint)> One of the pics shows a clown that
has a peculiar discoloration behind the eye...I'm wondering if it's
related to what I'm seeing on the tangs and if I should be
concerned. Looking back at old photos, that area on the clown was
smooth & white before. Thanks, Mike. <Take a quick search
on the Net re fish "Lateralis Systems"... Something "in the water"
is mal-affecting your fishes or has done so... There are means
(mainly nutritional) to bolster the immune systems... spur on
regeneration... Posted on WWM. Bob Fenner> |
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White spots on goby's head, HLLE, causes? 9/13/07 Hello
I have a citron goby that has lots of white spots protruding from its
head only. <I see these> I have had the fish for about 3 weeks. I
don't remember if it had them when I first got it but it has gotten
worse since. The lady I bought it from said it was nothing to worry
about but its getting worse and doesn't look like it should be there. It
was the first fish i got for my aquarium <Mmm, a clue> and it's
only other tank mate is a red starfish. My nitrite and ammonia level was
0 and pH 8.2, salinity about 1.023. <And this> Everything was good
though the goby had the spots, a while after I added the starfish for
some reason (possibly overfeeding) the nitrite levels went up to .7
<Mmm... dangerous> at the highest (this was about 2 weeks ago) and
after a week of daily water changes and reduced feeding it went back to
0 again. Now it remains constant at 0 to .1. I had fake soft coral in my
aquarium that i thought could be the problem so i took it out put it in
a glass jar with freshly mixed salt water and tested for nitrite a few
days later and it was at .8. Anyway, if you could tell me what's on the
goby's head and how to get rid of it that would be great. Attached is a
picture of what it looked like to start with and two photos of what its
like now. Thank you for your help. Katie <See how regular the
markings are... if you look closely you'll find they are symmetrical...
this condition is neuromast destruction... in the hobby often called
HLLE, Head and Lateral Line Erosion... symptomatic of a few possible
influences... inappropriate environment (the low spg, high NO2, too new
tank...), nutritional deficiency, possible protozoan involvement (e.g.
Octomita necatrix)... Read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Re: white spots on goby's head 9/13/07 Hi again, I thought I
should add that my tank is a new one that I set up with inoculated
gravel (marble chip) <Mmm, do like the idea, but not the substrate>
and had it cycle for a month. My little goby isn't a picky or shy eater.
The first day I fed it brine shrimp, it was happy to eat it all and now
I feed it Nutrafin max pellets/morsels with 45% crude protein to give it
more of a variety and I was hoping it would give its colour back. The
goby started losing colour a while ago, especially at the top near its
fins there are large dark patches that almost looks like bruising though
I doubt it. <Mmm, I'd try soaking supplement... perhaps Selcon> I
was also wondering if its normal for my starfish to be obsessed with
bubbles. My air pump stone thing is right in the corner where my
starfish usually spends most of its time on the glass next to it or on
the gravel right beside it. <Likely seeking more water movement...
its effects> I haven't really got a photo that shows the loss of
colour that well but you might be able to notice it in this photo.
Thanks once again PS. I did look around on your site for several days
first looking for the answer or a pic of a fish that has the same
problem. Katie Paulsen <Very nice pix indeed. BobF> |

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Again on HLLD
Dear Bob,
<Steven Pro this morning.>
As the
values of my tank are now ok (you might remember my tribulations with
achieving reasonable nitrites)
<I really do not remember. We get 30
up to 60 emails daily and now have 5 individuals regularly answering
emails with a few other's assistance at times.>
I am entertaining the
idea of putting a Koran Angel in it after it has matured for a few
months with live rock, algae and critters and a couple of clowns. I have
read Korans are prone to HLLD.
<As are all Angelfish and
Surgeonfish.>
Briefly, how can I best avoid it
<High quality,
varied diet and optimum water quality. You can read much more about this
affliction here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs.htm>
(I will be
feeding krill, squid, minced lancefish, mussel, dried seaweed and
flakes/pellets all enhanced with vitamins and I will do water changes
weekly -10-15%- with nitrate resin treated tap water left to mature
before I add the salt)?
<I would use more herbivorous based foods and
also something with sponge matter in it.>
I also add iodine
regularly, but I read something about iodide on your site. I am no
chemist - I am a musicologist - so can you please explain what iodide is
and how to get hold of it if I have to?
<It should be available at
any pet store. See here for additional information
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/iodfaqs.htm>
How often will I have to feed
it?
<Dose as per instructions>
Also I read that salt quality is
important and I found out that Kent Marine salt that I am using is not
that great (nor is sera, my next possible alternative). That's your
opinion on the subject?
<I like and use Aquarium Systems products;
Instant Ocean or Reef Crystals.>
Thanks again, Massimo
<You are
welcome. -Steven Pro>
HLLE
Hello crew, I am a 15
year old reef hobbyist that has a question. My cherub angel (C. argi)
has developed HLLE around his eyes in the last few months. It isn't very
bad, and hasn't spread to the lateral line, but it seems to have spread
a little more around the eyes. The food I use is a frozen homemade
blended mix of carnivore marine supreme, herbivore marine supreme,
seaweed selects, brine shrimp, and Spirulina flakes with Zoë mixed in.
<I would concentrate more on the herbivore foods and lose the carnivore
and brine shrimp would be better replaced with mysis shrimp.>
Is this
not a nutritious enough diet?
<It sounds ok. Note that HLLE is linked
to both diet and overall water quality. Near reef tank conditions are
also needed to keep in tip top shape.>
I always thought it was
adequate. Another thing is I don't feed THAT often, not every day at
least, but there is plenty of liverock with microalgae to feed on. Could
my angel be developing HLLE because I don't feed often enough?
<It is
possible, but I would also examine water quality, too. A pH at or above
8.2 is needed along with nitrates as close to zero as possible.>
The
angel has a nice shape to him, no visible skinniness. Thanks for any
help! Be proud of that web site! ~Andy
<Thank you very much Andy and
good luck to you and your fish! -Steven Pro>
Re:
HLLE
Hello, thank you tremendously for the quick response! The
tank has been set up for 5 years. I honestly don't think it's the water
quality. I have 0 nitrate, 0 nitrite, 0 ammonia, and the pH usually
ranges from 8.0 to 8.2 [yes a little low, but I doubt it would cause
HLLE in itself, then again I'm not an expert =) ].
<It could be an
indication of a build up of dissolved organics. You see nitrate in and
of itself is not harmful to fish, but it is a good indicator that we use
to deduce the level of dissolved organics. A low pH is similar. It may
be time to increase the frequency or amount of your water changes or to
make sure your skimmer is working well. You should strive to make it
produce dark product daily.>
All my corals thrive (xenia, GSP,
mushrooms), as do the mobile invertebrates (emerald and hermit crabs,
cleaner shrimp, green brittle star, various snails). The xenia pulses
like crazy and is an absolute weed, (growing off the back wall). What do
you know about the
Hexamita/Octomita parasites, could they be the
causative agent, and treated?
<As far as I know, these are only for
freshwater problems.>
My dad is an electrical engineer, and seriously
doubts that stray voltage or electricity could cause any damage.
<He
is not the only one. I don't buy that either.>
What do you guys know
about the stray voltage issue?
<There is no definitive link that I
know of.>
Maybe it is the nutrition, I just do not know. I've heard
something about lack of iodine in the diet?
<Perhaps modify the diet
as I mentioned previously and include some American Marine Selcon and
Boyd's Vita-Chem instead of the Zoë.>
Anyways thank you for your help
=).
<Good luck to you! -Steven Pro>
Carbon Causing HLLE?
Hi Crew, thanks for taking my question.
<Sure! Scott F. with you
today!>
First let me give you a brief history of my situation.
I
have a hippo tang that developed hole in head disease early on. It is
stable (some scaring around the head) and has been there for about a
year and a half or so. Anyway, he developed ich a little while back, I
believe it was from a wrasse that I added without quarantine.
<A
lesson learned, huh?>
I put all my fish, 1 tang, 2 clowns and the
wrasse in a 35 gallon plastic container (quarantine) for 8 weeks while I
let the tank run fishless to get rid of the parasites. I decided to use
the "siphoning bottom of tank everyday" method to cure (no copper) and
it worked great.
<Well done! Glad to hear that!>
Now to the point.
During the eight weeks in quarantine, my hippo tang showed tremendous
improvement regarding the HLLE, the scarring around his head was reduced
by at least 50%. Problem is, I put him back in the display tank and all
the progress has reversed and the scaring went back to the way it was.
There is no way the water quality in the quarantine tank was better than
the display. I was using tap water, a power head, a heater and a sponge
filter. The display tank gets RO + DI water, 20% bi weekly water
changes, live rock, live sand, better diet, steady temp, etc. So I
figured it was the lack of carbon use that helped reverse HLLE. I did
not use Carbon at all in the quarantine and run it constantly in my
display tank. So I want to experiment and stop using Carbon in my
display tank.
<Well, that could be one possibility...I'm quite
skeptical, because use of carbon far outweighs any possible ill effects
that could happen, IMO. Yes, some people claim that carbon depletes
trace elements, but if you are conducting regular water changes, this
argument doesn't hold up, IMO. Anecdotally, you could proceed under the
hypothesis that carbon contributed to the HLLE condition, but I don't
know how it will work out. An interesting experiment, however. I commend
you for trying! Do consider other possibilities, such as "stray voltage"
in the display tank, or other possible environmental factors, too...Test
for all of the basic parameters, and then some!>
Will this effect my
Coral in anyway? I have a Bubble, Torch, Candy Cane, Various Polyps and
Xenia.
<Well, activated carbon helps remove all sorts of allelopathic
compounds that are released by corals on a regular basis. You might see
some differences in the health of these animals if you discontinue its
use in this tank.>
Should I increase my water changes, or is it not
necessary?
<I'd consider more frequent water changes to help
compensate>
Will the protein skimmer pick up the slack? I use a
Aqua-C Remora.
<Aggressive protein skimming will definitely help,
too.>
Thanks for you input. Ang.
<My pleasure, Ang. Do test your
theory, but also look at other possible factors along the way...I'm sure
that you'll have some interesting results to report! Good luck! Regards,
Scott F>
Damage Caused By Copper? Or HLLE?
Hi,
<Hello there! Scott F. here today!>
I've got a question about head
and lateral line disease. I recently treated my purple tang with copper
for a presumed parasite, possibly ich. He was in copper sulfate for 9
days at the recommended dosage and using a copper test kit to measure
levels. He was looking good up until the last day of treatment when I
noticed he appeared to be getting head and lateral line disease which I
presume is due to the copper.
<Probably not HLLE, but it is possibly
a skin "reaction" to the copper. I've seen this in other fishes before
following copper treatment. HLLE is generally thought to be a result of
long-term nutritional and environmental lapses.>
He was fed well with
its usual diet ( I've had him for 2 years) and was and still is eating
very well. The tang is now back in a tank with copper free water with 0
ammonia, nitrates and nitrites. My question is will this resolve on its
own with good water quality, proper diet and iodine and vitamin
supplements.
<It should. If it is damage caused by the copper, it
certainly can heal up. HLLE-related symptoms also can spontaneously go
into remission and disappear over time, with attention to good
environmental conditions and diet>
Also is the disfigurement
permanent to the fish. Thanks for the help, Larry in Minnesota.
<In
my experience, Larry, the damage that you see is not permanent. There is
no 100% guarantee, but keep doing what you're doing and hope for the
best! Regards, Scott F>
More then HLLE?
Dear Mr.
Fenner,
I am wondering if you can help me understand something I have
read in your book about Yellow Tangs. I have a 80 gallon reef aquarium,
20 gallon sump/refugium. Berlin Skimmer, 70 pounds of live rock. The
only fish who calls it home is my yellow tang. My water quality after
months of fiddling around has reached a perfect balance. No stray
voltage (had it tested.)
I am treated this tang for HLLE by way of
Zoe vitamin supplements and Iodine. It is a slow process but thanks to
your web sites support, as well as your book, I feel I have made
progress.
<Ah, good to read of your continuing progress>
My
question to you is about a passage in your book about an unwanted
variety of yellow tang. A yellow-white morph. the kind that has the
white band across the body and is rather startling to see at night. The
tang I have now falls into that description. A gift from my husband who
knew I wanted a tang for many years, and now he is having a guilt
problem thinking he (the tang) is a sickly doomed fish.
I wonder if
you could go into further detail about what causes this.
<Very, very
likely what you are observing is "fright", night coloration... not the
novel genetic anomaly mentioned in CMA>
Is it the same factors as
HLLE?
<No>
If not is there anything I might do to benefit this
fish?
<Certainly. Most any/all things that benefit water quality,
nutrition, the mental/emotional well-being of this animal and its
tankmates. Principally the addition of live rock and macro-algae here...
Or in a tied-in sump/refugium... would stabilize water quality, add
foods... Please read over this and related sections on our site:
http://wetwebmedia.com/yellowtf.htm>
The tangs I see at the fish
store are a golden yellow (going by the Crayola crayon color scale) and
mine is a pale lemon yellow.
I hope that if you are able you could
send an answer or direct me to a book or web site that could help. Any
advice is so very welcome.
<Yours color will come back... through an
understanding of the underlying causes of such loss... water conditions,
nutrition. As stated, please read through the WWM site>
Pictures of
the Tang can be provided as well. Also I must add the white band that
runs across her body is visible during the day (4X96 watt power compact
lights)
Thank you
Chris
<Your intelligence and caring show
through your writing. You will be successful. Bob Fenner>
Re:
More then HLLE?
Mr Fenner,
Your quick response to my inquires
about the health of my yellow tang was greatly appreciated. I have just
gone through you FAQ about yellow tangs again as well as the section
devoted to Macro-algae.
Our water quality is as good as it gets. We
only battle Alk. levels falling too low at times.
<This is quite
common... captive systems are reductive environments>
We test our
water three times a week and we are always able to correct any problems
ASAP. We have not thus far had any dramatic rise or fall that has given
cause for concern.
Our sump has LR (our tank has 70lbs, well seeded)
and different forms of macro-algae. None of which our tang has accepted
as a meal.
<Have you tried strips of Nori algae... can be had from
oriental sections/food stores>
We will endeavor to order from FFX new
cultures of macro that we find that tangs enjoys (have learned more of
those on your web site.)
I think one area we have grossly misjudged
has been the environment of the tank. Not speaking of the water quality
but more of the arrangement of the LR. This afternoon when my husband
gets home we will rearrange the rock in hope of providing a more natural
reef appearance. More caves and overhangs, etc. We also plan to add
three green Chromis.
<Very good ideas>
The yellow tang is the only
inhabitant in the tank right now. We have gone so slowly when building
this reef that we were blinded to the fact the she might actually need
"friends" sooner rather then later. :)
<Yes>
Your advice has been
taken to heart and will be implemented. I hope you are not apposed to
updates in the future. Thank you again for all of your help!
Chris
<A pleasure my friends. Bob Fenner>
Concerns about stray
electricity
Mr. Fenner I would appreciate if you could perhaps
give me some suggestions.
I have a fish only 180 gallon tank, I have
a Harlequin Tusk, a Marine Betta, a Blue Face Angel, a X-mas wars, and a
black Dalmatian puffer. My pH, salinity, nitrate, nitrite, ammonia are
perfect, These fish eat better than I do, I feed them shrimp, squid,
krill, and a verity of pellet foods, I have had then for about a year.
with out no problem till now, my Blue face has lost all of its blue on
his face my X-mass wrasse seems to have HLLE decease along with the
Marine Betta. I gave back to the fish store the Blue face so that they
hold it for me for a while to see what would happen and the blue started
to come back again, the owner of the fish store told me that that
probably had some type of an electrical current in my tank, so I
purchased a ground probe, took back the Blue Face and the Blue that had
returned while it was at his store again came off I grounded the 4MD
pump that I have from the wet-dry going back to the aquarium. I have a
Rio 2100 pump that goes to my UV, and a Mag-Drive pump that goes to my
protein skimmer. My question is this. SINCE THESE PUMPS ARE UNDER WATER
HOW CAN I GROUND THEM, AND WHAT CAN BUY WHERE I CAN MEASURE IF THERE IS
ANY ELECTRICAL CURRENT INSIDE MY TANK.
Please, help me I would really
hate loosing these fishes.
<Thanks for all the useful information
here. The sealed pumps are very unlikely leaking electrical potential
into your system. They are grounded through their plugs... and can be
checked for ground faults by having them wired through GFCI protected
circuits. Read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/gfiuseagb.htm
Electricity in an aquatic system can be checked with simple
"multi-meter" test gear that measures down to the "milli" range... Now,
more to the point. HLLE conditions are attributed to "stray voltage",
"poor water quality", "Octomita/Hexamita necatrix"... and these
co-factors may well play some role... these conditions are cured with
nutritional make-up... Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/hllefaqs.htm
Be chatting. Bob Fenner>
Ramon Donestevez
Tangs/HLLE
I have a blue regal and a
yellow eyed tang in two different aquariums, both have had HLLE for
quite some time now. I have asked many different people on how to help
clear this up and have gotten a variety of answers, most stating water
quality, diet, live rock, electrical current in the water and vitamins.
<many theories yes... none definitive. Diet is at least contributory...
electricity is a weak argument. Live rock with lush macroalgae is
clearly a help. Natural sunlight is perhaps the best solution of all>
I have tried just about everything I've been told to help clear them up.
The blue regal has shown some improvement, however the yellow eyed has
gotten much worse. (All of my other fish are in excellent health) They
are both very healthy looking otherwise and are veracious eaters.
<what kind of diet?>
I saw on your Q & A page about the use of baby
vitamins, iodide and vitamin prep s. I have never heard this, what
dosage would you use for the baby vitamins? I have 90 and 70 gallon
tank. As for the iodide and vitamin prep s, I'm not sure what they are,
where they can be found or what dosage to use. Is there anything else
besides this that I can do? I try to do the best I can for my pets and
any advice will be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Georgia
<the best way
to dose vitamin supplements is in a prepared recipe to be ingested (much
better than putting in the water). I like using the baby vitamins and
Selcon (HUFA supplement... an aquarium product). Do use the Google
search tool on this site and beyond to discover fish food recipes that
suit your fish load (mostly herbivorous fishes). Making your own fish
food is a great way to save money and offer high quality food to your
fishes. Kindly>
Tang with HLLE
Hi again,
How long
does it take for most fish to developed HLLE?
<It depends on the
fish, diet, system, etc.>
The reason being is that I have two (one
yellow, one purple) tangs and only the yellow has HLLE. The fish are fed
a varied diet of Nori, bloodworms (frozen and dried), dried daphnia,
krill, a variation of Bob's mix (krill, clams, squid, cod, shrimp,
octopus, silversides and Kent Zoe), as well as an omnivore and carnivore
frozen mix from San Francisco Bay Brand.
<A little too much meaty
foods for these Tangs. I would drop the omnivore and carnivore diets
first and get a herbivore food.>
The tank is grounded and I do a 10%
water change weekly as well as topping of the tank with a Kalk mix.
Would there be a cause that would only affect one fish?
<The time in
captivity is your most probably cause.>
I have had the yellow fish
for a few years, so is it possible that age could be a factor?
<Yes>
And I have the purple for about a year, so I would think that if there
was something I was neglecting or doing wrong, it would appear on him as
well.
<It may in time.>
Any suggestions?
<More vegetable
matter, Nori fed daily plus some sort of herbivore diet like Formula II
from Ocean Nutrition. I am sure San Francisco Bay Brand has something
familiar. I am just use to Ocean Nutrition foods. You may also want to
soak some of their foods in Boyd's Vita-Chem and American Marine Selcon.
Again, there maybe similar products. These are just what I am used to.>
Thanks again, Kim
<You are welcome. -Steven Pro>
Hole In The
Head Disease (Hexamita)
Please could you give me any advice on
treating Hole In The Head disease in Cichlids.
I have tried virtually
all the tips on your website (vitamins/iodide etc) and also
Metronidazole but all to no avail. My affected fish is a Tilapia
Butterkoferi (11") that was fine until about 6 months ago.
<sometimes Hexamita is misdiagnosed. In many such cases the condition is
simply an infection of the olfactory pores from poor water quality.
Weekly water changes are necessary with such predatory fishes to keep
DOC levels down. You may be able to cure this ailment with more frequent
water changes with extra salt (1 tablespoon per 5 gallons). As such, it
will take weekly or better for 6-8 weeks but can deliver success>
He
is still feeding well (Cichlid Gold, earthworms, other invertebrates,
prawns, peas plus catfish pellets) and is behaving normally but more
'holes' are still occurring above his eyes.
I have been told that
this condition could be due to his age as the water quality in his tank
is fine and he has a good diet.
<have you tested Nitrate levels to
confirm the quality of the water? Please do if not>
I have tried
Broccoli as well but he won't touch this.
If the problem continues is
death inevitable?
<not at all.. in fact, unlikely>
Any new
information that you can give would be greatly appreciated as I am fast
running out of ideas.
Thanks a lot, Ian Allen
<best regards,
Anthony>