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FAQs about the Yellow Band (and Asfur) Angels Identification
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Angelfishes,
Pomacanthus Angels,
Maculosus Angel, Related FAQs:
Asfur, Maculosus 1, Asfur, Maculosus
2, Arusetta Behavior,
Arusetta Compatibility, Arusetta
Selection, Arusetta Systems,
Arusetta Feeding, Arusetta Disease,
Arusetta Reproduction,
Marine Angelfishes In General,
Angelfish ID,
Selection, Behavior,
Compatibility, Health,
Feeding, Disease,
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Angel ID, and Koi color - 5/18/07 Just have two quick
questions. First one is can you tell me if the pic attached is a Mac
or a Passer? <Mmm, perhaps neither... Is an Asfur> <Please
see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/maculosus.htm>
Second question is how long does it take for a fish to regain
it's color? <Depends on... the species... reason/s for loss>
I have a Malaysian Koi that jumped out of its winter stock tank
and after saving its life, it developed a fungal infection. It was
treated and is fully cured but the color and amour plates it used
to have are not there and the color is still white where it used to
be a deep golden yellow on a blackish orange background. Will the
color come back and if so how long may it take? <Maybe... in
time... months likely> Fish has been healed from fungus for 5
or so months and is healthy and growing. Sherry <... See
WWM re Koi... is this a tategoi? A small individual... may not
change to what you want, but to something else. Bob Fenner> |
Re: Angel ID, Koi color resultant from damage/fungal infection
5/20/07 For the Koi question...No this is not a
tategoi. This female is 11" TL and a cross between a standard
and butterfly fin. In my neck of the woods these are referred
to as Malaysian Koi. She is a Hikarimoyo with Matsuba and
Ginrin scale/color pattern. The color loss referred to was due
to the fungal infection referred to above and only resulted due
to the infection. My question is after healing from this
infection, how long for color to fully return? Can I tweak her
diet more to assist? <Mmm, perhaps never... the loss of
tissue under the scales... the chromatophores, iridophores
themselves will/would mean a permanent loss> As for the
Angel question.. I have looked at the site and studied the
page and checked in your books, which I have and am having a
hard time ID'ing fish as well. So please don't refer me back to
the site as I try to answer my questions before I write in. It
is being sold as a Half Moon Angel and dealer is unsure as to
which it is as well. I have a hold on it but would like to know
what it is. You say likely neither. If it is not a
Pomacanthus Maculosus or a Pomacanthus asfur then what do you
think it is? <It is the latter... An Asfur almost
assuredly... by the color of the caudal... Small Maculosus
Angels are exceedingly rare in the trade. Bob Fenner> | 
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Asfur or the Big Mac? Red Sea Angelfish Hi wet web media crew.
Hope it is ok, I attached a pic. I was wondering which species it
is..... P. Maculosus, OR P. Asfur ? <An asfur> Reading the WWM
page on differentiating, Bob says how the yellow tail in juv. is the
give-away. However, I have seen loads of pics on TV (documentary on red
sea), and nearly every Mac there has a yellow tail. <Generally more
whitish> Mine has a blue bar at the edge of his yellow tail.... I
haven't seen that in pic of Asfurs. Mine also has the dark blue
flecking on his forehead if you look closely - again I haven't seen that
on Asfurs. Finally, mine sometimes tones down his colors to a paler
blue, very like the pale blue of adult Mac pics I've seen. He is a
little under 3" body length (little over 3" inc tail). Anyway, your
judgment on this would be appreciated. Thanks for taking a look.
Regards, Matt >PS. if you guys want a pic for the wet web site.... no
prob.s, coz I note you're missing one at a sort of intermediate
stage.... or even for wet web photo's. <Thank you. Bob Fenner> | 
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Half Moon Angelfish Is the Half Moon the same thing as a "Map
Angel". What other names are common for this fish? The Half Moon is
definitely not the same as an Asfur Angelfish, correct? Thanks for
your abundant help! :) <... time to send you to fishbase.org... You
will find the answers to the above there by searching the members of the
genus Pomacanthus. There are MANY common names for these fishes. Bob
Fenner> Elizabeth K. Birdwell Re: purple moon hi bob
its me again the angel that i referred to as a purple moon is a
maculosus angel. thanks look forward to your
reply Karl from New Quay Cornwall UK <I see
(sort of). Our coverage of this species and its sympatric is posted
here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/maculosus.htm
and the Related FAQs (linked, in blue, at top) on WWM. Bob Fenner>
Angelfish Color Variations Hi- <Hi there! Scott F. with you
today!> Do all Maculosus grow up to that pretty light blue? Or do
some stay darker and look more like P. asfur as an adult? Thanks guys !
<Many possible variations with these fishes. A friend of mine has an
absolutely stunning P. maculosus that is a really deep blue. Like
people, fish can vary in appearance based on genetics, water conditions,
nutrition, geographic population, etc.> P.S.-My Moorish Idol is at
2yrs this month! Bart <Well, Bart- that is a very impressive
achievement! Keep up the good work with this fish! Regards, Scott F.>
Asfur Dear Robert, Can you possibly identify this? All along I
thought it was a Asfur, but it sure looks a lot like my maculosus
http://www.marineangels.com/Asfur/index.htm <I make it out as an
Asfur... for the yellow caudal mainly. My pix:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pomacant.htm Though other markings (the
trailing yellow on the dorsal surface, darker blue mottling on the
head... do look like a maculosus... Perhaps a cross? Bob Fenner>
Warmest Regards John Fish id? I was reading your web
site and had a question about whether or not - my new angel fish is a
Map or an Asfur. On your site I noticed you said one of the man
differences in juv. was the yellow tail, but I wasn't sure if that was
as adults or juv.! <In juveniles, the Asfur's caudal/tail is yellow>
Either way it goes, is alright. But it was bought from FF as a juv. Map
angel. Thanks in advance for your help & thanks for your book & web
site. <You're welcome> Oh, I forgot on page 24 or 25, of your book
- there is a picture of an changing (either Map or Asfur) Which one
is it? <Bottom, p. 25, an Asfur. Bob Fenner> Thanks again,
Jackie Hutcherson Is my Maculosus an Asfur ? Dear Bob /
Anthony / Steven..... First of all, this is my 3rd email to you guys
in 24 hours, so my apologies for so many mails. This should be the last
one for a while. Not sure who I am getting :-), so I'll give a quick
intro. Bought a little red sea angel a few weeks back..... sold under
the scientific name P. maculosus, and common name of 'purple moon
angel', so obviously that caused a little confusion, but I assumed the
scientific to be the accurate one...... however the more I am reading,
and the more pics I see, he is beginning to look like an asfur!!!! Now I
don't mind either way, but none the less would like to know, and since
there is a price difference in this part of the world, then I'd like to
know for that reason too. <Please see here,
http://wetwebfotos.com/Home?actionRequest=articleView&articleID=94,
regarding picture of each species and short description on telling them
apart.> Allow me to describe him. He is approx 2" body length, maybe
2.25". Still predominantly juvenile in coloration (obviously at that
size) but he is changing. His yellow stripe goes from the tip of his
dorsal fin, to a little over half way down his flank. The portion on the
flank is practically vertical and pointed to a sharp tip, maybe slightly
leaning toward the rear, then where the body and dorsal meet it strikes
off backward at an angle to the very tip of his dorsal. As yet I haven't
seen any pictures of the Maculosus with yellow in the dorsal, but a lot
of the asfur pics show this. His caudal (this is the bit got me really
thinking) is also yellow. Not it is not as vibrant a yellow as that in
the center of his body, but it is as yellow as the yellow in his dorsal
fin. None the less, it is distinctly yellow, and his a light blue rim
around the outer edge. A slight degree of mottling is appearing on the
forehead, although judging from the pictures in "The Conscientious
Marine Aquarist", this mottling is common to both species. Looking at
the pictures on P25, and on P259, if I had to guess which one my
juvenile looks more like, then I would have to say the Asfur. Another
thing I am looking at, it appears to me that the Maculosus has a more
triangular shaped tail, with a slightly straighter edge and slightly
more elongated, where as the Asfur seems to have a more slightly
rounded, fan shape tail. Lastly, with regard to behavior. I have read
how the maculosus is so much more outgoing.... well I know as a juvenile
they are all pretty cautious, but this little guy is a lot more so than
the emperor I had, and a guy I knew before commented on how his juvenile
asfur spent a lot of time hiding, as part of its natural behavior. Also,
my little guy seems to really dislike my 4 line red sea cleaner wrasse,
who is very similar in color and size.... I note how the asfur is
reported as particularly not liking its own kind, where as no such
comment is found about the maculosus, and is reported as pretty much
letting everything else alone. <None of the large angelfish like
their own kind in aquariums. They are all very territorial.> I don't
know if my description has been good enough to make a differentiation
between species or not, perhaps there is another more tell tail way of
differentiating ? I have looked at the pics on Flying fish express,
Fishbase, and of course these ones here.... and the pics in "The
Conscientious......Aquarist". I don't suppose you guys have any pics of
these angels in the transition colors? Or other sights with pics.
<Yes, www.WetWebFotos.com has many images.> Thanks for reading in any
case. Regards, Matt <Have a nice day! -Steven Pro>
Pomacanthus Maculosus or P. Asfur? Hi WetWebMedia crew! Hope it
is ok, I attached a pic. <No problem!> I was wondering which
species it is, P. maculosus or P. asfur? <It looks like an Asfur to
me.> Reading the WWM page on differentiating, Bob says how the yellow
tail in juvenile is the give-away. However, I have seen loads of pics on
TV (documentary on red sea), and nearly every Mac there has a yellow
tail. <Maybe they were Asfurs.> Mine has a blue bar at the edge of
his yellow tail. I haven't seen that in pic of Asfurs. Mine also has the
dark blue flecking on his forehead if you look closely. Again I haven't
seen that on Asfurs. Finally, mine sometimes tones down his colors to a
paler blue, very like the pale blue of adult Maculosus pics I've seen.
He is a little under 3" body length (little over 3" including tail).
Anyway, your judgment on this would be appreciated. Thanks for taking a
look. Regards, Matt PS. if you guys want a pic for the wet web
site.... no problem, because I note you're missing one at a sort of
intermediate stage.... or even for wet web photo's. <This will
definitely be posted on the WWM FAQ on Angelfish. Thank you for your
generosity. -Steven Pro> Asfur Angel with
yellow spots Hello Crew! I have what I think to be an Asfur
Angel. She has been fine, but recently developed yellow spots, fairly
large in size covering her body. There are probably 10 or so. She is
still a juvenile, transitioning to an adult. Her behavior has not
changed, still active and eating. Is this a problem?? Thanks for your
help! Wes. <... have never heard of such a specimen... and have seen
this species from very small on up:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/pomacanthus/maculosus.htm
Please send a pic or two if you can. I suspect this is not a disease,
but a color morph. Bob Fenner> Asfur Angel with yellow spots
Hello Crew! I have what I think to be an Asfur Angel. She has been
fine, but recently developed yellow spots, fairly large in size covering
her body. There are probably 10 or so. She is still a juvenile,
transitioning to an adult. Her behavior has not changed, still active
and eating. Is this a problem?? Thanks for your help! Wes.
<Wes, an Asfur angel will have yellow down the middle of the body. If
that is where the spots are located then I wouldn't worry about the
fish's coloration. It is a part of the process. As long as the fish is
active and eating then you should be O.K. Good Luck. MikeB.> |
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