Auriga Scratching  9/27/07
Hello Bob & Co,
I come to you guys more often than I take my kids to the doctor!!
My Auriga which is the only fish in my 60gal/60lbs/skimmer/FBD tank is scratching a lot and shaking her face. She tries to scratch around the area behind her eyes. No sign of white spots and she eats very well. I have a cleaner shrimp in the tank as well. I have a 10 gal QT tank. What should I do?
1. Dip/Bath and then to QT?
2. Lower SG of QT and then let him sit there for a while?
3.Copper etc?
4. Other?
As always, thank you for all your help.
-Gans
<4... just observe for now. Bob Fenner>

Re: Auriga Scratching  9/30/07
Hi Bob,
He was still scratching as of yesterday. Today he is acting very lethargic. Just hanging out in one place or the other without swimming much. Not his usual self for sure. Still takes food and eats it all. No spots or anything else in the body that I can see. Should I still stay put and observe?
Thanks!
Ganz
<Yes. RMF>

Re: Auriga Scratching 10/1/07
He didn't make it Bob! Found him dead this morning.
I am 2 1/2 months into this hobby and am off to a rough start.
Killed 2 Henis by having them in a 10 gal qt tank, now the Auriga . Pretty depressing! Not sure if I should continue. If I do, should I wait a month before I add anything to the tank?
<A good idea, yes>
I just have snails, crabs and a shrimp in there.
Thanks for all your help!
Cheers
Gans
<Convert, re-direct the energy, feeling into progressive activity... READ before buying... BobF>

Pearlscale Butterfly Problem, induced   8/27/08
Hi there,
Just want to say thanks for your assistance! Your website has answered so many of my problems over the last couple of months and what you do for others in need is really saying something about you, so thank you.
Anyway.. i currently have:
1 pearlscale butterfly
2 false perc clownfish
1 Chromis
In a 35 gallon tank.
<Mmm, too small a volume for this or any other species of Butterflyfish>
My concern is the butterfly fish. I know this species does need a fair bit more room i have heard of alot
<... no such word>
worse, and as a 16 year old this tank is all i can afford.
<Then... return the BF>
I have had the butterfly for about a month now and after about a week it started to scratch itself on rocks. I noticed a few spots similar to ich so i turned the heat up a bit they soon disappeared and the scratching stopped. But it has been 2 weeks since and he/she breathes quite rapidly.
<Maybe just/simply the increased metabolic rate from the elevated temp. and lower DO at that temp...>
And he never used to breath so fast and it is starting to concern me because i don't know what it could be. He eats alot and swims fine. My ammonia and nitrite is 0 and nitrate is 7ppm. The other fish aren't having any problems with their breathing.
Any ideas on cause and solution would be much appreciated, thanks so much.
Kind regards,
Patrick
<Could be a psychological component here as well... the Damsels frightening the BF... Again, I'd return this fish, get something more appropriate to your setting. Bob Fenner>

Butterflyfishes and copper treatment    2/16/07
Hello,
<Good morrow to you>
I would appreciate any help you could give me on my tank situation. I am really frustrated after losing a couple of fish and would like to figure out what I can do differently and what is the best course of action.
<Okay... as in I will try to assist you>
I have a 90-gallon quarantine tank that has been running consistently for about a year now. My water chemistry is all within normal range (Ammonia=0, Nitrites=0, PH=8.2, Alkalinity=normal, salinity=1.024); I don't know the nitrate level, and I will have to get a kit to test it. I assume it is pretty low, as I do 20-gallon water changes every two weeks, and I do not overfeed.
<I see>
Ten days ago, I moved four fish (3 wrasses and a firefish) from my quarantine tank to my main tank after treating and quarantine them for ich for about 4 months. They are doing well in my main tank. However, the fish I bought in the last 3-10 days have started to show signs of ich, and I have lost 2 of them--a yellow head jawfish and a yellow longnose butterflyfish.
<Generally very sturdy aquarium species>
Within a couple of days of adding them, they started showing signs of hemorrhaging and stopped eating.
<Yikes... troubles, challenges ahead of your receiving them...>
I found the yellow longnose butterflyfish this morning moving around in a 360 degree circular pattern, bumping into things, and it was dead shortly thereafter. My copper sulphate level is slightly below .20ppm. Does the hemorrhaging seem like it is a reaction to the parasites, the copper or both?
<Mmm perhaps a combination... no way to tell... w/o knowing the history of these animals ahead of your receiving them... Were they at your dealers a good few days or more before your picking them up?>
When I bought them, they were all eating and appeared in good health. All of them, with the exception of the jawfish, were in tanks with a copper level of .20ppm for at least a few days. Could the hemorrhaging indicate that they were exposed to copper for a few weeks?
<Mmm, again... a possibility... but would take more than this exposure to "do them in" as you state>
The fish store also was keeping the butterflyfish in a salinity around 1.018,
<Typical...>
so I took about 3 hours to acclimate the fish since my salinity is so much higher.
<I would do this much more gradually... about a thousandth in density changer per any given day>
I'm concerned about treating my butterflyfish (a pearlscale butterfly, a raccoon butterfly, a threadfin butterfly, and a Klein's butterfly, all around 2-3" each) with copper since I have done it unsuccessfully in the past (with a Pakistan butterfly, a latticed butterfly and a pearlscale butterfly), and I understand that butterflyfish are more sensitive to copper treatments.
<Yes>
In the past, I treated the ich early, but the level got a little high, around .25ppm.
I appreciate your help.
Jenny
<I would not use copper of any sort if this is to be simply a Quarantine, and not a treatment tank... and if pressed to use copper, only a chelated variety/brand... and lower on the useful/efficacious concentration... 0.15 ppm free cupric ion. Bob Fenner>

Re: Butterflyfishes and copper treatment    02/17/07
Thank you for your feedback. I have a couple more questions regarding copper and treating ich.
<Okay>
My 90-gallon tank has been a quarantine and treatment tank for a year now, and I want to start stocking it as a regular fish tank. Since I've already
got the nonchelated copper in my tank, I would imagine that I need to remove it with carbon or a poly filter before adding chelated copper?
<Yes, I would>
Since I want to add more fish and copper is so effective at treating ich, I'm thinking my best route would be to treat with copper, although I am concerned about its
effects on the butterflyfish. Are freshwater dips really a good alternative?
<Yes... can be... if the Cryptocaryon is not "too advanced"... as in cases where multiple generations are entrenched, embedded deep in the fish hosts integuments>
It doesn't seem like it is nearly as effective as the copper treatments.
Thanks again for your help.
<Is much safer, less toxic... You have read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mardisindex.htm
scroll down... to dips/baths, the voluminous materials on Crypt, its treatment... the use of Copper... Bob Fenner>

Sick Heniochus butterfly   7/26/06
Hi!  My Heniochus butterfly fish has Popeye.  I put him in a quarantine tank.  I am going to the LFS this evening to buy some medicine.  Would should I buy?
<... Likely nothing. If this Exophthalmia is one-sided, maybe I'd add some Epsom Salt... Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/popeyefaqs.htm
and the linked FAQs2 file above>
Also, what should I do about the main tank?  I purchased LF from a dealer online back in January.  He told me to spray it upon arrival.
<"Spray it?">
  I did not, figuring that my tap water, which is bad, would kill the organisms on the rock.  Instead, I scrubbed it in a plastic tub to get the 'muck' off.  Shortly after, my hands were extremely ichy.  
<Common... there are physical components as well as biological that will do this...>
And for the next month or so, I noticed that my hands and arms would itch when I put them in the tank.
<Little cuts, abrasions...>
I have cleaned LR before and I'd never had a problem. An employee at the LFS told me that the problem was probably bristle worms but they were harmless.  I waited a few months before adding a blue damsel.  He did fine. Plus I noticed that my hands stopped itching when I had to go into the tank.  In June, I moved the damsel to another tank and added the butterfly fish.
Could there be something wrong with the LR?
<Doubtful>
I do not want to get rid of it, but I will if necessary.  I am afraid to return the fish to the main tank, after it is well.
<If one-sided, this Pop-eye is likely due to a physical trauma. Bob Fenner>

Swollen Long Nose Butterfly  7/19/06
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
<Tamara>
I have struck a bit of a problem with my long nose butterfly. He has become quite "swollen" (the best way of describing it) around the top and bottom sections of his body. I have searched your site and have found nothing on this, only swelling around the eyes and mouth (which my fish does not have).
<Yikes... the condition is/can be termed "ascites", bloat... dropsical... many causes... some more primary than others... but something causing fluid to leave cells, tissues... and occupy intracellular space, body cavities...>
I took the fish, with minimal stress, to my fish shop after they said they have never heard of such thing and would need to see it. Consequently he put me on to your website. They do have an enormous amount of experience but said they have never seen anything like it and will look into it themselves further also.
Looking from behind; say the fish is 3mm in width; where it is swollen at the top and bottom, it is more like in excess of 10mm wide - like someone has pumped it full of air! It is still feeding and active - apart from the "swelling" it is behaving fine. Any reply would be greatly appreciated as I am rather concerned. Thank you.
Regards
Andrew Brown
Melbourne
Australia.
<It may be that there is a "simple" bacterial involvement here (from?) that can be thwarted with the application of one/some form of antimicrobial/antibiotic. If this were a very valuable fish or a bunch of them, I would avail myself of injectable material (Chloramphenicol succinate would be my first choice)... For home/hobbyist purposes, it may be that a water-administered product is best... a Furan compound: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/antibiofaqs.htm
and a search on WWM with the name. If this/these are not available locally or easily, do look into what you can get in the way of a gram-negative, broad-spectrum antibiotic... administer at 250 mg. per actual ten gallons of water... change a good part of the water out and replace, re-treat every three days for three treatments... Not in the main/display system... Bob Fenner>

Re: Swollen Long Nose Butterfly   7/22/06
Hi Bob,
<Tamara>
Thank you so much for your reply. My fish shop said your site, and your staff, would be extremely helpful and he was 100% correct. I will track down a antimicrobial/antibiotic today. Just for my own knowledge, will this, or can this affect the other fish in the tank; or is fish specific (i.e.. is it contagious and should expect more fish to become this way?)
<Not able to say, but generally such involvements are "not catching">
Secondly, was there a way of preventing this, or is it just a pure random occurrence?
Thanks so much.
Tamara
<Mostly the latter. One can do their best to provide optimized, stable conditions, good nutrition... and still have such incidents. Bob Fenner>

Copperband/Disease Treatment  7/11/06
I read on your website that Copperbands can be prone to copper medication. <<Prone? RMF>>
<Yes.>
I have a copperband in a QT tank with several other fish. Should I use the same does as indicated on the bottle or should I reduce the dose? I am using
SeaChem activated copper, if this helps.
<No such thing as activated copper.  You are referring to Cupramine, a buffered, active copper. I would isolate the copperband in another tank.  Copperbands are very sensitive to copper treatment.  Freshwater dips and formalin (Rid-Ich+ by Kordon, formalin and malachite green) would be my choice. >
Thank you.
<You're welcome.  James (Salty Dog)>
A

BF spot, Dottyback color loss, Centropyge feeding in QT   7/12/06
Thanks for your prompt reply,
<Please include prev. corr...>
I have done as you said and given my copperband with a freshwater dip mixed with M/Green. He has a parasite attached to his front left fin, I hope it will come off after a few more dips. But he is looking much better after the first dip, the itch has receded significantly. And he's eating well as usual.
<Mmm, a parasite? Might just be a "spot" from bumping into something... I'd try a purposeful cleaner organism... perhaps a Lysmata sp. shrimp... Gobiosoma goby...>
Now onto my Dottyback. He has lost a lot of colour, when I got him he was a bright magenta and yellow, now he's faded to a dull purple and yellow. I have
been told this is due to him not being the dominant fish in the aquarium, as the Anthias don't seem to like him too much and chase him sometimes.
<Possibly a/the factor here>
I feed him Mysid shrimp, brine, algae flakes, angel fish mix, ocean plankton, pretty much whatever I can get my hands on, and he is still showing no signs
of his original colour. Any suggestions?
<Spectrum pelleted food/s>
My final question is about my eibli angel, which is refusing to eat Mysid shrimp, marine algae, brine shrimp and flakes. He is in my QT tank atm, and
I'm worried that he hasn't eaten for 2 days. I am not treating the tank with any medication so I am thinking of buying a small piece of live rock for him
to nibble on. Would you suggest Nori too?
<Do add a good deal of ready-cured live rock with obvious algal growth>
I'll just like to add that you guys provide a valuable service and your advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Albany
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>

Heniochus acuminatus with Ich 6/23/06
Hi WWM crew!!
<Hi>
I have an Heniochus acuminatus that show symptoms of ick. <Uh oh> It has white spots, that look like salt. It doesn't have that much but it still concerns me. <It should> It is still eating well. It doesn't breathe rapidly. All the other fish are healthy. <All other fish are infected with Ich, just not symptomatic.> I don't want to treat the main tank, because I have some invertebrate. <Almost always a bad idea.>
I am not able to set up a hospital tank, I don't have the space for it, since I live in an apartment.
<Really need one, doesn’t need to be always set up, can be taken down when not in use.  Without a QT/hospital tank expect to continue to have problems with communicable diseases.>
Yesterday, I have give it a freshwater bath( specific gravity: 1.008) with blue methylene for 10 minutes. <Provides temporary relief, not a cure.> But, today, it still shows symptoms of ICK. <Most likely will continue until the ich life cycle is broken.>
What should I do to treat my fish? <If you are unable/unwilling to get a hospital/QT tank and remove and treat all fish and allow the tank to run follow there is not much you can do.  Provide good quality water and food and hope the fish's immune system and fight off the ich.> I have bought a Formaldehyde - green malachite solution to use it in a bath, but I am not sure if it is a good idea and how much should I use and for how long. <Toxic stuff, I'm not a big fan of it.  Baths will help temporarily, but when the fish is returned to the tank they will be reinfected.>
Could I use copper in a bath that would last for a long time? <Not effective.> If yes, how much should I use and for how long?
Any other treatment I could try? <Not that wouldn't nuke the tank.  Medications are not specific enough to kill the ich and not destroy the live rock and biofiltration.>   
Thank you very very much!!! I hope my fish will be fine, I really like it!!
<Hope so.>
Steve T.
<Chris>

Heniochus acuminatus with Ich Part II 6/30/06
Hi Chris,
<Hi>
As per your advice, I am actually looking to setup a hospital tank for my fish, to help to get ride of the ick problem... I have 2 clown fish, 2 green Chromis, 1 neon goby, 1 six line wrasse and the Heniochus. What size of hospital should I go with?
<Good to hear, at least a 20 for all those fish.  If easier you could go with a couple of smaller tanks and split up the livestock.>
Today the Heniochus have stopped to eat... :(
<Uh-oh>
What is my best bet with it? Should I give it a freshwater bath until I set-up the hospital tank? Any other ideas?
<A bath may help, make sure its ph adjusted and the right temperature.  Try adding either Selcon or garlic to the food.  Both seem to stimulate the feeding response.  If it goes too long try some live brine shrimp.>
Thank you very much...
Steve
<Good luck and remember to QT any new additions to avoid these problems in the future.>
<Chris>

Heniochus acuminatus with Ich Part III 7/1/06
Hi again Chris,
<Hi>
Sorry to bother you again,
<No bother.>
I promise I will quarantine any new addition to my tank in the future.
<Good>
But, I just have a idea of what I could try to cure my fish from ick and get it out of my main tank. I know that the WWM crew are not big fan of hyposalinity, but could I just buy a tank (the one I would use in the future to quarantine any new addition) and use it to put all my hermit crab. They are the only invert I have in my system. I would put many pieces of live rock with them. So I would not kill all the zooplankton in LR and the crabs
would be more safe...
Could I lower the SPG in the main tank to kill the ick in it? I would keep the hermit crab apart for 6 weeks. Would it be effective? If yes, at what SPG would it cure the fish without being stressful to the fish? I have read from ATJ (the only name I have found of that guy) that the SPG should be at 1.009 to kill the ick. You can see this article here : ''
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/hyposalinity.html''
What do you think of that?
<Well, it will get rid of the Ich if kept at that salinity long enough.  However, it will also kill off most of your live rock, and in the process cause a huge ammonia spike.  If you remove all the LR there will probably not be sufficient biofiltration and cause the same problem.>
Thank you very very much for your help. If I found that the better treatment is the copper in a hospital tank, I will do it... Honestly, I don't feel confident about my capacity to keep them all alive in a basic none established system, though.
<With lots of water changes should be fine.  Could also use Bio-Spira to jump start the biofiltration.>
Steve
<Chris>

Heniochus acuminatus with Ich Part IV 7/3/06
Hi again,
<Hi>
I just wanted to say that I should have listen to you one week ago. I mean I should have treated it as fast as I could. Even if the Heniochus had finally eaten yesterday, I have found it today in my overflow box dead. <Sorry to hear.>  I just feel like crap. The worst thing, it was my girlfriend fish... It was her birthday present. <Yeah, I learned that lesson the hard way too, no fish for gifts.>  I don't think she will like the tank anymore... I feel right now like I would give up too... It is sad that I had to make that fish die just to learn a so simple lesson!!
<Been there, done that.  Almost quit after losing my possum wrasse, loved that fish.>
So, I know that I will sing the same old song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO EVERYONE, don't be damn stupid like me, DO QUARANTINE YOUR FISH!!!!!!!!
<A convert, and ready to give others the advice, some good out of a bad situation.>
So now that the only really sick fish is dead (the wrasse only had 2-3 spots and it is now gone), should I just wait 1 week or 2 before I start to treat them in a hospital tank? <Start immediately.> I mean that way I could let some sponge in my tank to have some biofiltration ready for the quarantine process.
<See if you ca find some Bio-Spira to kick-start the biofiltration.  But do not buy it if it hasn't been kept refrigerated, some stores don't and without it the bacteria will die.>
Should I start using the biofiltration right at the beginning or after the copper treatment so, the copper would not kill the biofiltration?  <From the beginning.>  Can I use filter pad that absorb ammonia with a copper treatment? <No, all will also remove the copper as far as I know, just have lots of new salt water ready for water changes.>  If not, would it be better to use hyposalinity, so I could use absorbent resin to help to maintain good quality of water ?
<Most of the bacteria cannot survive the salinity change anyway, so copper is probably the better way to go.>
Again Thank YOU VERY VERY MUCH for your patience Chris!!!
<Anytime>
<Chris>

H. acuminatus, sel. dis.    4/14/06
Hi Bob,
<Joseph>
I have a quick question on my 2 newly acquired H. acuminatus which I bought 2 weeks ago. I picked them up from my LFS as soon as they were delivered
from a wholesaler.
<Mmm, generally better to leave most all marines at a dealers a week or more... with deposit if you "must have them"...>
They are about 3 inches in size and both looked healthy.
They have been in quarantine since then and during that time I have noticed that one of them absolutely loves every food I give it: brine shrimp with
Spirulina, sea veggies, flakes, tiny pieces of shrimp and squid, and Nori seaweed. This one has maintained a healthy weight. The other fish, however,
will only eat the Nori seaweed and spits out everything else. I would like it to start eating some fleshy foods. I have noticed that this fish has
slightly lost a bit of weight. Other than this both fish look healthy and very happy.
My question is whether I should be concerned about this fish's eating habits ahead of it's release into the display tank next week?
<Ummm, a tough one... w/o seeing the actual specimen. But I would very likely risk moving this/these "Heni's" in the hopes of furthering the ones appetite... and not worry re the small risk in disease transmission here>
By the way, this is the first time I have used a quarantine tank and I now appreciate the benefits it gives to us in not only preventing disease, but
allowing us to observe the new animals in a much more tightly controlled environment.
<Ah, bingo!>
It makes it so much easier to acclimate the fish to the water chemistry and especially to new foods, which would be a lot trickier in the
display tank (i.e. size, competitors etc.). Thanks for the informative articles on this topic!
Thanks in advance,
Joe
<Welcome Joe. Bob Fenner>

Stressed out B/F's... some valuable life lessons in resource limitation  - 03/11/2006
Hello,
<Hi there>
I'm hoping you can help me out here. I have a 55 gal. with 2 small perc. Clowns & 2 Butterflies (Pearlscale & threadfin).
<Mmm, this sized system for these chaetodonts is problematical...>
My husband came home with a new tank mate 2 days ago and my butterflies have gone crazy. He added a Sailfin Tang, very small, still a juv. The Sailfin is doing great, very friendly, but the butterflies & clowns have all crowded into the top corner of the tank.
<Sort of like having "Jack the Knife" move into your home here>
After the first night, I woke up and both B/F's were covered with spots, on the fins and the body, looked like someone took a salt shaker to them.
<Ahh... Cryptocaryon... very likely present in your system in sub-symptomatic level... brought on to hyperinfective state by the added stress...>
I called my LFS and they said that was very strange for that to happen overnight and to re-arrange the décor and make new homes.
<Mmm, no>
They said maybe the sailfin was trying to take over the tank.
<Has>
What should I do? It is the second day and they look better but still have visual signs of the spots, and are still acting scared for there lives.
Thanks,
Wendy
Thank You,
<The ich/crypt is cycling... going into a soon-to-be much larger stage... Very big trouble likely brewing here... There is a bunch for you to know, and the only expedient way (not knowing what you know...) is to sift through materials on this and related situations: http://wetwebmedia.com/ichartmar.htm
and the linked files above. You need also to address the root cause of the troubles here: crowding, the mixing of incompatibles in such a system, and the lack of quarantine... I'd separate the Zebrasoma tang, and get ready to do what you will for your ich infested system... and soon. Bob Fenner>
 

Sick Longnose BF?   03/07/06 Hi all!  I have another question for you fine folks. I just got my Longnose Butterfly and he has done great so far.  He eats very well, and he loves to swim around like he's strutting his stuff. <Is then> But i noticed today that he has a little red spots , at the base of his beak at both sides.  I attached a picture for you. <Unfortunately these didn't "come through"> I researched other pictures on the net and none of them had his little spots.  Is this something i should be worried about or is something that varies from fish to fish. <Some reddening does occur in Forcipigers... due to? Stress? From? In general this is not a sign to treat their system... unless it is affecting feeding behavior> His skin is clear right there and the red is underneath the skin.  Thanks for the help!! Nick <I would not "panic" here. Bob Fenner>

Re: Sick Longnose?   03/07/06 Sorry for the picture not going through.  I will try to attach it as a file this time. <No worries. And do see it here> Today it seem to be not as red as it was yesterday so maybe it was a "stress situation, upon arrival, into his new home.  He eats very well so i guess it is not a problem. <I hope not as well> I the picture can help. Or maybe it could help someone else since a popular fish.  Thank you very much for my newfound peace of mind. <Welcome. Do see the "blood mark"... appears to be well-defined... likely from a "bump" into something and likely will heal of its own accord. Cheers, Bob Fenner>

Heniochus acuminatus health    3/2/06
Hi Bob, <James with you today.>
Just a quick question regarding H. acuminatus. I am expecting to buy two 3" - 4" size specimens within the next week. Is a freshwater dip with a commercial dip mix a safe option for these fish? How long should this dip last? <I wouldn't do a freshwater dip unless I have a valid reason to do so.  Quarantining is your best option.  Plenty of info on this on the Wet Web.  James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks in advance,<You're welcome.>
Joe

Re: Heniochus acuminatus   3/3/06
Thanks James. <You're welcome.> However I am curious as to why there is an acceptance among
the marine hobbyist community of dips/baths as a necessary step in quarantining, when you have suggested that it need only be done when there
is a reason for it... By this do you mean visible signs of parasite infection? <Yes...I don't take cold medication as a precaution.  Why stress the fish out if it isn't necessary.  My opinion.> In furtherance of my question yesterday on H. Acuminatus, my quarantine tank is only 10gallons. Since these fish require a large amount of space,
will the 2-3 weeks in quarantine be more stressful for them and outweigh the benefits of the actual quarantine? <I'd suggest a larger QT.  Putting the fish in the main display without QT just risks possible disease outbreak to the other fish.>
Thanks, <Your welcome.  James (Salty Dog)>
Joe

Right Thinking -- Wrong Timing...  12/5/05
I recently purchased a med. size Raccoon Butterfly for my 55 gallon fish only tank. I have 2 False Percula Clowns, and 1 medium size Blue Tang. On the 3rd day I noticed the raccoon scratching on my fake coral and not eating. (The only thing he would eat was frozen brine.) I checked my water and copper and all fine. I brought it to the shop I bought it from and they said it was fine, but to add some more copper. 
So I did , and it was just above .15 The next morning he stopped scratching, but that night when I got home, he was breathing heavy and sitting on the bottom of the tank, and still wouldn't eat. I noticed as I got him that my tang and him were getting along just fine. So I don't think he was being bullied. I put him in my hospital tank, after a brief FW dip, and he is laying on his side breathing very rapidly. He probably won't make it. I was just wandering if you had any ideas of what might of been the problem.
Thanks, Aaron
<Well, Aaron, this is a case where all of your intentions were good, but the execution was a bit off. First, you indicated that you have a "hospital tank", which is good! However, you need to use it as a quarantine BEFORE adding new fishes to your display. This will give you the ability to catch and treat illnesses before they get introduced into the display. Also, do think about the long-term implications of your stocking plan. 
These fishes need a lot more space than a 55 can provide, so consider this...
Next, it is always advisable NOT to treat in the display tank, for a variety of reasons. Use that extra tank. Copper sulphate, although highly effective at treating many diseases, can be hard on many fishes, including Butterflies.
<<Butterfly-fishes are one of the few animals the staff at the LBAOP will NOT use copper meds on.  Marina>>
Sometimes, the collateral damage caused to the fish in treating the disease is too great. Formalin-based treatment is recommended in the case of more copper-sensitive fishes. Again, you'll have far greater control of the dosage in a separate tank. 
Unfortunately, it's hard to say what you're looking at, but it could be a parasitic illness. If your Butterfly is struggling, you may need to reduce the copper level in the treatment tank. Although it may be too late for this fish, if you take this as a valuable lesson, the experience will not have been in vain. Chin up! Don't forget to quarantine before adding fishes to the display! Regards, Scott F.>

Copper treatment and bad reaction - 10/28/2005
Hey guys, another question for you.
<Fire away.> 
My Pakistani in QT has been in copper for a week now and he has no more Ich left but now he's darting/flashing/twitching.
<Uh-Oh.> 
Is this another outbreak coming or is it from copper exposure?
<It does sound like poisoning.> 
Should I take him out or leave him in for the maximum of the two week period (it states in the FAQ'S that a good rule of thumb is 2 weeks of copper exposure for a fish to avoid giving copper poisoning)?
<You should do an immediate, large water change. Run some PolyFilter or carbon to remove the rest of the copper.> 
I went this long without harming him, I don't want to take on any additional high risk.
<I would back off of the copper treatment and watch for improvements. How high is your copper reading?>
Thanks, Jay
<Thank you for helping me address a weak point. - Josh> 

Re: Copper treatment and bad reaction - 10/28/2005
I'd be cool with doing that, but I don't want to put any parasites in my display tank so I feel like I need to go the full two weeks.
<I don't mean that you would be finished with QT, but that you should step back to observation at this point. Further treatment may/may not be necessary.> 
I measured the copper very carefully every time I redosed after a water change (if anything, I put less than what I was supposed to).
<Does this mean you only measured what was going in, not total concentration? Even with water changes, the existing copper would still be there, at least to some extent (I doubt you are draining all water and cleaning the tank with each). Do this a few times in a row and there's bound to be trouble. Everything added needs to be adjusted for what already exists.> 
He's really not breathing fast, is it possible that he's just reacting to the copper exposure sort of like how we react to an antibiotic?
<I think you most likely lost control of your copper level by accident. Take care of his basic needs now (water quality, feeding), and be prepared to "start over" if the problem manifests itself again. Oh yeah, sorry if you got another blank response. I think this thing timed out on me when I was ready to send, hence no message showed as sent for you. Good luck Jason. - Josh> 

Re: Lemon Butterfly only using one gill
Can't find the exact answer to my question in the faq's, if that's what your trying to tell me 
<Strange...I remember typing...Well here goes again.> 
Yes he's brand new and he's in a 20g QT tank with malachite green.
<Ah, good!> 
Should I do something else, or is this medicine good?
<A good start and possibly all that you will need> 
I should be concerned?
<Safer than assuming all is well.> 
Is this fatal?
<Possibly. I don't mean to scare you here, but that is what the QT is for. Now you've noticed something worth monitoring. I would advise you to research all of the possibilities here as you will need a positive ID to know what you need to do. Without this you can mistreat/harm your fish through good intentions. Some things merely start in the gills, then get worse; others stay in the gills and cause suffocation. Check here and the links,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/parasiti.htm . Much to review but it should help.>
Thanks again
<Welcome and sorry for the blank response earlier. - Josh> 
<<Editor's note: This does happen from time to time - if you receive a blank reply, do look in the next day's FAQs to see if it's been posted there.  This query and response was posted yesterday, click on the TBPFAQs page and you might find the original response there.  Marina>>

Re: Lemon Butterfly only using one gill
Hey Josh no problem man, I appreciate your competence!
<I hope I deserve the kind words, and thank you.> 
I have formalin, malachite green, and Cupramine at home. Obviously, I don't have much time as I just read on the FAQ's.
<Can't give up. Remember to keep a cool head and not get "too experimental".> 
So, which medicine would be most beneficial and work the fastest in killing these parasites? 
<I must confess here that I've been beyond lucky in this realm. Despite all of my ignorance starting out, I've never had one sick fish! Hence all I say here now is from my "studies". This is important to get right so I will ask Bob to confirm/correct this.> 
Seems B/F's are more sensitive to these gill problems (flukes, parasites, one-gill movement, etc.). Any suggestions on trying new things, I don't want him to die.<People beat this all the time.> If you were me, what would YOU do in this situation?
<Here goes... if this fish hasn't worsened then I would probably do a f/w dip/bath. Praziquantel @1ppm is the other popular choice I believe. After these I would just observe and hope that it was over before trying more. Sorry I don't have more hands on experience here but hopefully someone else will chime in.>
Josh, thanks again, greatly appreciated!!!
<Wish I could do more. - Josh>
<Mmm, I encourage you both to peruse the Butterflyfish Disease FAQs... I do agree with Josh's input here. Bob Fenner> 

Threadfin/disease 10/12/05
Hey guys. Can you tell me what to treat my threadfin b/f with, if after two weeks there is no visual signs (white spots) of a parasite and he's constantly twitching and scratching off rocks? 
<Doesn't necessarily mean the fish doesn't have it just cause you can't see it.> 
I don't want to use copper because of how strong it is. What meds should I use to treat for just "bugs" I guess you could say? Not sure of what else it could be if there are no spots. Water quality is great and plenty of oxygen along with all other parameters being right on point. 
<Copper is by far the most effective treatment. As long as you use a test kit to insure a safe and effective dose (0.015-0.020), you shouldn't have a problem using it. A test should be done on a daily basis during treatment, which should last a minimum of 21 days @ 80 degrees. James (Salty Dog)> <<Please read on WWM re copper and test kit use. What has been stated here is too scant to be of use. RMF>>

Possible Disease, missing info…  10/6/05
My question is 'what is wrong with my copperband Butterflyfish?'
<Ok.>
- The chemistry of the water is fine 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite very little nitrate
<How much is a “little?” Please be specific in the future.>
- The copperband was living alone in a 30 gallon tank
<Far to small for this specimen.>
- A day ago I added a percula Clownfish
<With or without quarantine?>
- Since then both fish have been hanging at the top of the tank and the copperband seems agitated
<Understandably so, the tank he is in is to small and you added another fish to its territory.>
- So I did a 10 percent water change but both fish are still at the top of the tank and seem agitated.
<Gasping at the top of the tank is usually an indication of poor water quality and/or a lack of oxygen.>
- Prior to the clownfish the Copperbanded was acting very relaxed swimming at the bottom
<Only at the bottom? These fish, when healthy, roam the entire tank, grazing on the liverock.>
- The temp fluctuates between 78.8 and 80 degree f
<Best to be stable but this fluctuation is not to bad.>
- Added some copper blue 2 weeks ago but since then have done several water changes
<Did you use a copper test kit to monitor the levels? Along with the water changes I would run some carbon.  Furthermore next time, medication should occur within a quarantine tank you may/could have destroyed the beneficial bacteria on nay live rock/filter media you may have.>
What could be causing this problem?
<Sounds like lack of oxygen. There are a few other “ingredients” missing that would help to get to the problem. What type of filtration are you using? Is a protein skimmer being employed? Are/What are the fish eating? Are there any noticeable physical differences on the fish? Without QT it could be a number of things. Please read WWM FAQ’s re: disease to try to identify your problem.  Adam J.>

Raccoon Butterfly, Copper, Quarantine 9/30/05
My name is Kristen and I just bought a raccoon butterfly for my 70gal tank.  Currently he is in my 25gal QT tank that I am treating with copper.  The last fish in the QT tank had been treated with copper before because of either velvet or angel fish disease (I figured after 4 months of letting the tank sit
with no hosts, the parasite would die off). <Although Ick and velvet would die after this amount of time, quarantine tanks should always be drained and allowed to completely dry between uses to be absolutely sure than any pathogens can't survive.>
Surely enough, my butterfly started to get white spots and was darting all over the tank.  So I'm assuming he contracted the same thing. <Most likely, it was carrying the disease when you purchased it.>
I do notice that he is breathing very fast and heavy at times, other times not.  I have a good-sized air bar in the tank along
with good circulation with a bio filter running and heater.
<Rapid gill movement is usually a sign of stress and often of parasites damaging gills.  This occurs even when there is plenty of oxygen in the water.>
Before I put my butterfly in the tank, the copper treated water had been sitting a good four months w/o any fish in it.  One quarter of the water evaporated, and I sucked out the other 1/4 of the water for a 50% water change (including the water that
evaporated).  So 50% of the old water still remained and I put the other 50% full of new water. <Yikes!  If the water was allowed to evaporate 25%, this could cause unpredictable changes in water quality.  Also, if you have not done so, please be sure that the salinity is correct as it would have increased with evaporation.  I would suggest performing a couple of large (25-30%) water changes with water from your display to ensure proper water quality.  Replace the water in your display with new well aerated salt water.>
Do you think after all that time there was still copper left (I
forgot to test to see)?  As of right now, I only put the first dose of two in the tank.  Im going to hold off on putting the second and final dose in until I hear from you. <It is impossible to predict how much copper might have been left in the water.  Copper treatment must be done according to the package directions and should be tested regularly during treatment (some preparations can't be tested for... just follow the directions to the letter).>
Do you think his fast breathing are signs of a copper overdose already, only after 2 days?  I'm concerned even though the fish looks great/very colorful, is eating, and is active.  He just seems a little spazzy. Please help!!  Thanks so much, Kristen :-) <I doubt that this is copper toxicity.  I would guess that it is a water quality/stress issue.  The fish should have plenty of cover to make it feel secure (flower pots or pieces of PVC pipe work well) and water quality should be optimized with water changes and good filtration.  Be sure to add the appropriate amount of copper to make up for water changes.  Hope this all helps.  Best Regards.  AdamC.>

Stop writing, and read  10/5/05
ok thanks.  What is "too long" of a copper treatment for a raccoon butterfly?
<Please see WWM re copper treatments, butterfly disease. Bob Fenner>

Red coloration on a raccoon 8/25/05
Hello again WWM crew.
Update. My pacific tang has started eating just about anything I put in his QT tank, and is now also rather hyper. He has another week to go before his trip to the big tank!
I purchased a raccoon butterfly yesterday from my local LFS. I looked for all of the bad indicators as described in the article on raccoon butterflyfish.
(http://www.wetwebmedia.com/raccoon.htm) He ate at the store, had no reddening, and was very bright colored.
This evening I got home from work and noticed that the top of his mouth/nose area was starting to get
slightly red and it looked like he had a small piece of flesh coming off.
<Common... from being moved, netted... bumping into things... dangerous if the mouth is too damaged...>
I attempted to take a picture, but it is hard to get a close up shot of his nose with any sort of clarity. I didn't notice any red coloration around his fins as of yet. Today he seems less energetic and would eat none of the brine shrimp
I dropped in the tank unlike last night. He still has good coloring, but does appear to be breathing slightly quicker. I'm not sure how the reddening nose ties into this next fact, but I have seen him glance off of the pvc couplings I have put in  his QT tank.
After researching your site, and searching for just about every combination of red mouth, glancing, and butterflyfish I could think of I'm now writing to you for help. He is currently in a 10 gallon tank with a whisper 10 gallon power filter, a heater set to 81 degrees, and two 3'' pvc elbows (I have been thinking about putting in an air stone).
<I would>
The water parameters are 1.0235 specific gravity, ph of 8.2, ammonia and nitrites at zero, and a slightly detectable nitrate of about 2-3(barely registers on test kit). The water from the tank came directly from my main tank which
currently has about 75 lbs of live rock and 18 turbo snails. The raccoon was drip acclimated for about 2.5 hours when I initially obtained him. Thanks in advance for any tips on care or diagnosis you can provide.
Rick
<... very likely just resultant from the move... keep observing, be ready to dip, move the fish to better, larger quarters... Bob Fenner>

Chaetodon decussatus 7/31/05
Hi!
<Hello>
I am from India and I have been referring to this site for information quite regularly but this is the first time that 'am actually asking a question.
<I see>
Couple of days back I got myself an Juv. Koran Angel and a Chaetodon decussatus. Today I noticed that the Chaetodon decussatus has some kind of reddish bruise above the right eye, other than that all the fish are doing fine. Could you give me some insight into the situation. Any help appreciated.
<Mmm, very likely the butterfly has suffered some sort of physical trauma (a "knock" on the head) in being captured, transported... I do hope it recovers in your good care. Optimized, stable water quality and frequent feedings are what you want to be careful to provide here. Bob Fenner>
Regards
Rajeev Menon

Strange Spots on Butterfly Fish 7/18/05
I have a Falcula Butterfly in my main tank. He has good color and is very active, eats, etc. He has a large white clump on the top of his tail and about 4 to 5 small white spots on fins & tail. Should I leave him in the tank to see if they go away, or should I move him to a quarantine tank for treatment? I know the water quality in my main tank may be better for him, but should I move him anyway? If I need to move him to another tank, do I add any meds and which if any?
Thanks.
Mitch
<Well, Mitch, with a fish that seems otherwise healthy and active, I'd be inclined to leave him in the display, continue good husbandry, and watch him keenly. Of course, do be prepared to take immediate action if the fish takes a sudden turn for the worse. Hard to be certain what this is without photos, but I'd rather you take the careful approach than to just start some potentially more stressful treatment. Hang in there! Regards, Scott F.>

Klein's butterfly
I have a 120gal with two Eheim 2229's, 10watt UV and a Magdrive 320gph pump to move water around. Things have been great for over a year with my 3" Klein's Butterfly, 4" Koran Angel, 3" Maroon Clown, 3" Yellow- eyed Tang, 4" Sweetlips and 8 hermit crabs to help with the cleanup. 
It's a fish only tank. Just after my last water change of 25% a week ago, my Klein's Butterfly has lost his ability to swim upright. His fins seem to be stuck in opposite directions making him spiral constantly. Now, here's the kicker, he still has beautiful coloring; is eating well and when other fish investigate he seems to regain control just for those few seconds to get away. Now here is what I think. when I changed the water, my thermometer was registering 79 degrees the whole time. After refilling the tank and placing the rocks back in place, I noticed by touch that the water felt very cool. I immediately grabbed my camping thermometer and it registered 74 degrees. I immediately drained the tank a few inches and reintroduced warmer water slowly. I brought the tank up to 80 degrees and nobody else seemed to mind the accident. However, my Klein's butterfly looks like a Top Gun fighter pilot in the tank and it makes me queasy just watching the poor guy. Any suggestions??? Tank parameters are back to normal. Actually salinity is a little low after I reintroduced the warmer water. 
Salinity - 1.018 (I just didn't have anymore salt after the water change a week ago).
Nitrates - 0
Nitrites - 0
Ammonia - less than .25 but not quite 0
pH - 8.1
Copper - less than 1ppm. residual from a treatment over a year ago (any way to get rid of this without starting over? I have tried lots of water changes and a copper removal solution that was a crock.) 
<Richard, when you say salinity is a little low (1.018), that is more than a little low. I'm wondering what your salinity was before the water change. First thing to do is get the parameters back up to normal. You are going to have to get the SG back up to 1.023/024, and see if any improvement was made. Butterflies are a touchy fish in that regard. James (Salty Dog)> 

Re: ailing butterfly thanks -- 6/31/05
have done so and didn't find anything similar to what I'm seeing.  My biggest concern is that he's gone from being a greedy eater to barely picking at the food.  any thoughts?  I was wondering if perhaps he could have a blockage? <I really can't answer the question on the blockage, I'd be guessing.  Being you've read the info and FAQ's on butterflies, you are aware that they are not the easiest fish to keep to start with.  Pristine water quality and a healthy diet are a must.  Live copepods would be a good start in triggering an eating response.  There are places on the web that do sell them.  James (Salty Dog)>

Gill Irritation: water quality or Disease? 3/2/05
I've tried posting this at WetWebFotos board but no one has answered. Here's the thing: I've had a double saddle butterfly for 2 months and he recently began exhibiting a strange new behavior.  After evening feeding time, he occasionally (not all the time) starts swimming oddly on his side and kind of charging abruptly on and off at the live rock and glass.
<this is called "glancing" or "scratching" and is a sign of gill irritation caused by parasites, disease or water quality>
Like he's confused or addled. He also develops an instant fright/night coloring, and breathes rapidly. It only happens after feeding (an hour before lights go out).
<sounds more like parasites that handicap its higher respiratory (excitement from food, etc) periods>
I've been trying to pinpoint the cause but can't determine it. It seems to happen when I feed foods he's not fond of (for variety purposes) and hence maybe he's angry he hasn't gotten enough to eat(?). That sounds nuts I know. He's a pretty aggressive eater when it comes to foods he likes.
<parasites are mostly likely... and being expressed not surprisingly after some weeks after import (very stressful). Hence the critical need to understand and apply proper quarantine to all new fishes (4 weeks minimum) to prevent these things from contaminating your tank as well as having a better shot at curing them (in bare bottomed QT)>
Just recently he's been breathing rapidly and presenting himself numerous times to the neon goby for cleanings. Should I freshwater dip him or wait until other classic ich signs emerge?
<do dip promptly... and do so once daily for 8 consecutive days for the best chance at breaking the larval cycle>
I have just added a coral beauty and yellow watchman goby after a 4 week qt (the cb had ich in qt and I treated with hyposalinity)
<if this BF was in QT for a 4 full weeks... I wonder if it wasn't the addition of some snails, algae or live food (without QT) to the tank that infected this fish?>
tank 100 gallons
8.2 pH
ammonia, trite and trate 0
salinity 1.024
Thanks kindly, Angela
<best of luck! Anthony>

Re: weird butterfly behavior
Thanks for the quick reply Anthony.
<Antoine's out till the 7th>
The butterfly was in QT for 5 weeks before introducing him into the main tank.  He, like all of my fish, got ich immediately in the QT and I treated him with hyposalinity (1.009) for 2.5 weeks in a bare-bottomed tank then raised salinity slowly over the next 2 weeks. 
<Sounds like the Crypt was in your system...>
He was fine up until the weird addled behavior started a month after introduction to main tank (he doesn't scratch on the rocks but looks like he's lost a bit of control over his swimming ability and the change in color is spooky) I will dip him now as I fear he may have gotten ich from the recent tank additions (even though they were QT'd for 4 weeks). I don't see any spots or
scratching yet, just rapid breathing and the constant begging for a cleaning. 
<Bob Fenner> 

Butterfly with gill flukes?
My double saddle butterfly has been breathing rapidly for a week now. It's not ich or velvet as I'm familiar with these diseases, and all of my fish have been QT'd for a month before introduction to the main tank. The bf isn't scratching, there are no spots on him, just the heavy breathing. I'm pretty sure he has gill flukes...
<Stop! Where would these trematodes have "come from?">
...so I've been administering 50 min formalin baths (2 teaspoons Kordon's formalin/gallon) everyday for the past 3 days. Is this a sufficient treatment?
<Possibly... there are more efficacious "de-worming" medicines... as you will see: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fshwrmdisfaqs.htm>
I've read that it's better to treat with formalin as a bath rather than constant exposure in a qt tank.
<Yes... please read: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/formalinart.htm>
So far, the butterfly is still eating well, not hiding, but still has the rapid breathing. I've also noticed that he has thread-like poops. Could he have internal parasites as well?
<Yes... but very much more likely this is just symptomatic of the toxic formalin exposure>
All other fish are fine, although I noticed a long stringy poop coming from the coral beauty (I've never seen her poop like this). Are internal parasites contagious? I've attached a photo of the coral beauty poop.
Ammonia, ni trite, nitrate, 0
Salinity 1.024
pH 8.2
79º
Thanks,
Angela
<Angela, I would suspend the formalin treatments, look into Praziquantel... what you are doing is too toxic to continue, not likely helpful... the fish do not have monogenetic trematodes... unless you've observed these under a microscope I strongly suspect there is not a pathogen involved here. Bob Fenner> 

Re: butterfly with gill flukes?
Ok thanks for the reply Bob. I actually went and bought Prazi-pro yesterday and administered an hour long bath as directed. I plan to do another bath 3 days from now. Are the baths ok or should I just treat long term in a qt tank?
<I would take the latter route>
So far no breathing improvement.
<... sometimes these fishes do "just" breathe hard... perhaps environmental influence/s... maybe social... I would not panic re>
He's still eating well. As far as the stringy poops, the BF has always had them (I never saw him poop in QT, and was
suspicious of that. It's because the thread-like poops are very hard to see) I figured he had gill flukes because of the internal parasite signs... 
<I do wish everyone had ready access to a decent microscope (I have a neat, but cheapy QX3 Mattel/Intel unit... that's fabulous) to LOOK before using toxic chemical treatments... as I assure you that orders of magnitude more livestock is "bumped off" by well-meaning aquarists than dies from actual pathogenic infection/infestation>
...but also I'm at a loss as to what other pathogen would cause the rapid breathing (he has no spots or other signs) -a
<As stated... there is almost certainly not a pathogen present. BobF>

Re: butterfly with gill flukes?
Again, thanks for the quick reply Bob. I'll let him be for the rest of the week and then QT him on the weekend. I do wish I could help him! He's also constantly begging the neon goby for a gill cleaning (which he never did before), that's another reason I suspected the flukes. -a
<Mmm, well "general irritation"... a zillion possible causes... will elicit the same behavior. Bob Fenner> 

- Pearlscale Flashing -
I have a 90 gal with a dwarf lion and a Pearlscale butterfly. The Pearlscale has been scratching on the rocks for a few days now. 
<Ugg.> 
I have only had him for about a week. 
<Does this mean you did not quarantine or at least give it a freshwater dip on the way into your tank?> 
He does not scratch all the time. <May be ok, but if it happens several times in a five minute period, then you likely have a parasitic problem looming on the horizon.> 
My pH is a little low and my alk is low also. 
<Wouldn't worry as much about the alkalinity as I would the pH, although they are related. Do work on your water quality... poor water quality is a big source of stress and will lead to other problems, susceptibility to disease.> 
I don't see any spots on him what so ever. 
<No so easy to see spots inside the gills... keep a very close eye on things.> 
He is not eating anything I put in there only the algae on the rocks. 
<You may want to try this... find a lumpy piece of live rock or a dead brain coral. Thaw out a Formula One or Two type of food and then press into the spaces in the rock and re-freeze. Once the food has set back up, put the rock in the tank so the fish can employ its natural feeding habits on some real food. This will acclimate it to your various foods and will also [more importantly] get it eating.> So my question is, is this ich? 
<Could be... scratching can often occur before you see spots so I'd keep a close eye on things and get that quarantine tank ready to go.>
  TIA
<Cheers, J -- >

- Pearlscale Flashing, Follow-up -
Thanks for the fast response. 
<My pleasure.> 
No I did not do a freshwater dip. I am getting ready to get a QT tank. The main tank is only 1 month old so I thought there was no need for a QT tank yet, but I should have done the fresh water dip. 
<There is ALWAYS a need for quarantine.> 
Anyway thanks for all the great info and I will try the rock thing you talked about feeding him.
<Cheers, J -- > 

- Running on One Gill -
So sorry to bother you again but I'm concerned about my Raccoon Butterfly. As I wrote before, he, along with 2 perculas are in a QT with Coppersafe as treatment for ich. This is day 5.  I haven't seen spots on any of these guys for 4 days now. However, the b/f is only using one gill to breathe today. The clowns are fine. And the information I read about this problem on your site was in regards to smaller fish doing this because of ich. He is 4" and has been in the with the Coppersafe. Could this still be ich? 
<Or worse, Oodinium... both infest the gills but Oodinium tends to spread very quickly and is fatal if not addressed.> 
If not, what else could be going on? 
<Well... butterflies are sensitive to copper, and I would have treated with formalin. Likewise, if this is Oodinium, it is not particularly responsive to copper and would have to be treated with formalin.> 
He definitely is doing double time with the other gill. 
<Is not a good sign... the best I can say is that if the fish is still with you by the time you get this mail, I'd run some activated carbon on the quarantine to remove the copper. Then I'd set up a pH-adjusted, freshwater dip for this fish and a follow-up bath in tank water with a formalin solution. Once the fish is returned to quarantine, I'd begin re-treatment with formalin and work on keeping the water quality as good as possible. Follow the instructions on the formalin bottle to the letter - formalin is bad news when overdosed. Because both copper and formalin are toxic, they will make it impossible to keep a running biological filter so you'll need to have several days worth of water changes ready to perform perhaps 25% every other day, perhaps more. You have a set of compounding problems here that will keep you on your toes... keep the water quality as high as possible... diligence will prevail.>
Thanks once again,
Christy
<Good luck. Cheers, J -- >