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FAQs on Genus Chaetodon Butterflyfishes, Disease 

Related Articles: Chaetodon Butterflyfishes

Related FAQs: FAQs 1, FAQs 2, Chaetodon Identification, Chaetodon Behavior, Chaetodon Compatibility, Chaetodon Selection, Chaetodon Systems, Chaetodon Feeding, Chaetodon Reproduction, Butterflyfish Identification, Butterflyfish Foods/Feeding/NutritionButterflyfish Compatibility, Butterflyfish Behavior, Butterflyfish Systems, Butterflyfish Selection, Butterflyfish Disease,

Butterflies, and other fishes, can be mal-affected by cnidarians.

collare butterfly QT – 09/19/09
Hello Wise Ones:
<Mmm, okay>
Thanks for all your great advice.? I've been a reader? for the past year, ever since I began my recent foray into marine aquaria.?
At the end of last year I set up a 125 gallon? FOWLR system.? It houses a 5" annularis angel,
<Will need more room... actually now>
two small Heniochus Bannerfish, and about 165 pounds of very purple live rock with here and there a snail, a stow-away limpet, a bristle worm and some cool red macroalgae.
Two days ago, I received a pair of 3" collare butterflies? Via FedEx.? I did a long gradual acclimation and put them in a bare QT tank where they began, almost immediately, to nibble on mysis and frozen brine shrimp.? I planned on putting them through a typical two or three week quarantine. Then, gleaning your site, specifically for anything having to do with Collares, the advice given to "Matt" (who, like me, acquired some Collares by mail order), baffled me. In lieu of quarantine, Matt was told to do a pH adjusted freshwater dip and place his BFs in his main system right away so as to avoid inflicting too much stress on them. It was suggested that the threat of disease transmission was low and that, probably, they would succumb to disease were they to endure a typical? quarantine.
<Yes>
Know that I've regarded your words about quarantine as gospel.
<Not an absolute... there are exceptions in other words...>
Early on, my angel had to endure a long separation from the main tank as it lay fallow after an outbreak of some nasty ecto-parasitic combo platter.
<I'll have the Mac and Cheese please>
It took three months after purchase before he was finally home, noshing on lifeline cubes and marine cuisine in the big tank.? I therefore followed your advice to the letter when I added the Henis. Everything went fine.?
The purple peaceful tank gets more beautiful by the day.? The Henis peck at the live rock and steal mouthfuls of food from the spoiled angel.? Needless to say, I? fear placing? the Collares too quickly only to end up yanking the whole crew ten days later as I? frantically hunt for my Cupramine and copper
test kit. Either I'm not much of a gambler,? or these incredibly beautiful creatures have, for me, so much more value than the money they cost.? So, could you elaborate a bit on the relative risks and benefits of how best to proceed?
Thanks again,
Randy
<Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/quarfaqs13.htm
and the linked files above till you understand my position. Bob Fenner>

Infection? of copper banded butterfly fish    7/28/09
Hi,
<Howdy... "act excited and you'll be excited, Bob">
Thank you all for such a great site for us novices, we appreciate you.
I've checked the FAQs and the web in general but find no comments about a white "mass" on the lower jaw of my copper banded butterfly fish. I first thought it was food stuck on the mouth but now notice that it is enlarging so I'm concerned about contagion and of course the health of this fish.
<A pic?>
I called the LFS where I bought this fish and was advised to net it, remove it from the general population and treat it with Neosporin.
<? Nah>
I asked what kind and was not advised that there is fish-specific Neosporin. There was no suggestion about where to house this fish in the interim but certainly I wouldn't add it back to the display tank until it improved.
Is there hope for this fish?
<Yes>
Is his problem really a problem? If it's an infection is it likely contagious?
<Can't tell from the data presented, but doubtful that "treating" it will be efficacious... Perhaps this is just a transitory viral expression... Or something else that will just "go" of its own accord. Likely any handling,
moving would be deleterious... Perhaps the addition of a cleaner organism would be of use... Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/clnrfaqs.htm>
Thanks for "being there".
Jayne in Tucson
<Glad to share. Siaynoq! Bob Fenner>

Question about redness in Chaetodon auriga Butterfly
Mr. Fenner,
<Hello>
Thanks again for the great advise on purchasing the Iwaki circulation pumps and oscillator/wavemaker for great water circulation! 
<Glad the folks here could be of assistance>
All of my fish are very healthy since I bumped up the circulation in my tank. I have a 5 month matured 180 FOWLR system, current inhabitants, 1 bi-color angel, 1 tomato clown, 1 velvet damsel, 2 Chromis, 1 Xmas wrasse and I just purchased today a large Chaetodon auriga Butterfly. I have a question... the Auriga is about 7 inches large in size and before I left the store he was perfect in color, fins exceptional condition... 
<Seven inches? Shame on the collector... such large specimens should be left in the sea... they don't adapt well to captive conditions or ship well generally>
no external problems whatsoever. I arrive at home 10 minutes later , proceed to drip him for about 45 minutes with a .019 salinity, same as what 's in my hospital tank, then placed him in. 
<Mmm, then why the dip?>
I now see what appears to be a subtle redness, not too much, around the mouth and fin bases. Can this be some internal damage due to the trauma inflicted during the bagging and trip?
<Yes, or residual, partially healed damage from previous holding and shipping>
When the store salesperson scooped him in the plastic container I noticed the fish flapped around quite hard against the glass and he may have injured himself. I am very concerned about the redness ... is it internal bleeding?
<Possibly>
Will he recover from this with good treatment , good water quality and vitamins?
<Again...>
I don't want to lose him. Should I place him in my main tank since the environment there is much better... no nitrates, temperature perfect? Please help!
<I might do so>
This is a section that I read from Wet Web Media on Auriga's Appearance....
Appearance:
Reddening of the mouth or fin bases disqualifies a prospective purchase. Due to their sharp pointed snouts, threadfins, indeed all B/Fs need to be packed in large bags and laid on their sides in transit. This provision reduces the chance of damage from slamming during handling and shipping.
<Not surprisingly, I totally agree... with myself. Bob Fenner>

Re: Question about redness in Chaetodon auriga Butterfly
Robert,
Will this fish recover from this with good treatment, good water quality and vitamins? I can return him today if there's little hope.
<For such a large specimen, being caught at this size (seven inches if memory serves), there is "little hope". Moving it will not likely serve to save it... unless perhaps we were in Hawai'i. Then, there I would replace it to the sea (which wholesale collectors due sometimes when a number of organisms "breaks down" in an attempt to return them to health, redeem themselves. Bob Fenner>

New Tinker BF processing
Hi Guys or Gals,
<Matt>
    I have a quick FOWLR questions.  I am purchasing a Tinker's Butterfly for my 250 FOWLR and Mr. Fenner once recommended to me NOT to Quarantine my Pakistani B'flys.  Should I take the same steps with the Tinker's or should I quarantine?
I always quarantine my fish for a period of two months.  But my Q tank has no live rock which seems to be essential to the Tinker.  What should I do?  
<I would NOT quarantine a Tinker's... WOULD treat as stated for the Pakistan>
By the way,  What do you folks think of the hardiness of the Tinker?
<It is about as solid a species of Chaetodont (as are all subgenus Roa) as there exists>
Thanks a ton and Happy Holidays,
Matt
<Bob Fenner, out in HI, saw two Tinkers in pretty shallow... about 120 feet, yesterday>






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