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FAQs on Marine Water Supplements,
Troubleshooting/Fixing
Related Articles: Marine System
Additives, Marine Maintenance,
Understanding
Calcium & Alkalinity,
Related FAQs: Marine
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Marine Supplements 4, & FAQs on Marine Supplement:
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& Biominerals,
Iodine, Calcium and
Alkalinity,
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When, where in doubt, STOP supplementing... do successive water changes to
dilute... And do read on the general index re alkalinity, pH, calcium,
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B-Ionic Metals 2/20/08
Hello,
I have a question regarding this product, but did not find a query I am
interested in.
<OK>
I did find several matches about this product, and many who have used it.
When I purchased this product, I was not able to see the ingredients due to the
way it was packaged.
Does B-Ionic have too many metals?
<No>
Is there any use for some of the metals in Component NO.2 that concern me and
are they dangerous? ie, copper, nickel, and iron?
<Not a problem in the concentrations provided. There are many very successful,
beautiful reefs that use this solution.>
I am new to this hobby, and wish to give my charges the utmost care. The warning
label on Component NO.1 it states it may cause moderate to severe eye
irritation, with corneal injury which may be slow to heal. Repeated contact may
cause redness and dry cracked skin.
<It is a concentrated alkaline solution, any such solution should have these
warnings.>
Component NO.2 has same as above with the addition of gastrointestinal
irritation or ulceration.
<Another caustic concentrate.>
Now, if it is dangerous to us, wouldn't it be dangerous to them?
Thank you
<These solutions present some danger in the stock solution concentrations. At
the rate you add them to your tank this is not a problem. I believe the
directions call for up to 1ml per four gallons in one dosing, very diluted.
Anything in strong enough concentration can harm your tank or us. Think of it as
mixing salt, you can easily add too much and wipe out a tank. These solutions
are the same, you should be testing Alk/Calcium to determine how much to add.
Good luck, Scott V.>
Re: B-Ionic Metals,
now Cu 2/21/08
Thank You for the reply.
<Welcome.>
I am very new to this, and appreciate your help.
My last question regarding this is, I thought copper was dangerous to
reef systems?
<It can be in unnatural/increased concentrations.>
I understand your statement; the amounts in this product are not
dangerous if applied correctly. But, can it be absorbed by the rock,
then leached out which would increase the copper levels in future?
Please be patient with my redundant question. <grin>
<Not a problem. The amounts in this solution are of no worry for your
reef system. Any artificial accumulation of these metals will be
resolved through water changes long before they reach levels of concern.
Use this product with peace of mind, Scott V.> |
Naso Tang & Colony Polyps... ? hlth., supplement
madness 7/20/07
Hi.
Thanks for trying to help me. <my pleasure>
Here is what the levels in my tank are:
Ammonia - 0 mg/l
Nitrate - 40 mg/l <too high>
Nitrite - 0 mg/l
PH - 120 mg/l
<huh? pH measured in mg/l?>
Salinity - 29
<This is too low. Salinity should be at 1.025 to 1.027 s.g. or 34 to 36 ppt for
reef tanks.>
Temp - 76 Degrees
<maybe a bit too cool, 79 to 82 would be better>
When my mushrooms wouldn't open up I added Iodine and Strontium.
<Ok, but that's not going to help.>
I added 3 capfuls of each twice a week for the last three weeks.
<Hmm... you don't need to do this. You have more than enough iodine and
strontium in your salt mix. Just do regular water changes and you'll be fine.>
I also have balance blocks I add in once in a while and Reef Complete that I
put 3 capfuls in once a week.
<Why are you adding all these supplements? The Reef Complete seems ok as a
calcium supplement, but how do you know you need it? You shouldn't be dosing
these things without knowing what your calcium and alkalinity levels are.>
I hope this helps. Knowing this can you tell me why the polyps and
mushrooms won't open up?
<The most obvious problems are your salinity and nitrates. You might be over
doing the supplements too. But again, we can't know that without knowing your
calcium and alkalinity measurements.>
Thanks again!
Jenny
<No problem. Let me know if you're still lost after you test your calcium and
alkalinity. :-)
Best,
Sara M.>
Tropic Marin Bio Calcium ... alk. anomaly 11/28/06
Hi guys/gals,
<Laura>
I have been using tropic Marin bio calcium (powder) for 7 weeks as a way to
boost calcium in my 75 sps tank. I add 1.5 teaspoon per gallon of Kalkwasser for
evaporation hooked to a auto top off.
<Good methodology>
Before using the new product I measured calcium at 365 and alk at 4.0 meg/l.
After first week calcium was at 380, and alk is 5.0meg/l.
<I would stop here>
I am adding the dose described on the jar, I scoop per 5 gallons. Problem is my
alkalinity is soaring it is now 6.0 meg /l and calcium is still at 365-370 after
7 weeks. I need help, I emailed tropic Marin and asked if bio calcium raises
alk, and they quick reply was no.
<Mmmm>
Something is not right, I have not added anything else to the water except for
Kalk.
<Not so... new salt mix... and Kalk>
I use IO salt and add a little magnesium as IO is lacking it. I fail to believe
my 75 sps is using 40ppm of calcium a day. Any advice? thanks Derick
<I would slow to stop the use of the Bio Calcium product... allow the alkalinity
to drop on its own. Bob Fenner>
What a mess I made.......
Hello All,
It's been many months since my last question, partly because all has been quite
well, up to my last water change that is.
I have a 75 g. reef. I do water changes about ever 2 weeks changing about 30
gallons each rime. This time, I decided to add a few supplements:
Reef Advantage Calcium
" " Magnesium
" " Strontium
Reef Builder
Reef Complete (raises calcium)
Seachem Buffer
Reef Plus (vitamins etc)
I can hear you as I type.
<I hope you are hearing 'Holy Cow what was this person thinking! <G>
Seriously, most all of us have done something like this at one time or another.
Welcome to the club! Learn from this and try to move on.>
At the time, I thought I was doing some good for my inhabitants. I NEVER add
sups, and I thought they would appreciate a good dose vitamins and such. Well,
maybe this was too much of a good thing? My 2 year old banded coral shrimp died.
Great loss for me.
<I am sorry to hear this.>
He was so beautiful and robust. Now, my mushroom corals, which have grown quite
large in the past year, (about the span of my palm) have shrunk down to the size
of a quarter. They look truly miserable. What can I do to alleviate this mess I
made? Another water change? This sounds to be the most logical solution. Please
advise this long time beginner.
<Yes, you are right on track. 20% or so for several days would be in order to
bring the tank into some semblance of balance. On the supplement subject. With a
high quality synthetic salt mix and regular water changes, supplements can be
kept to a minimum, if used at all. I would not add ANY chemical supplements
unless you are testing for the element you are supplementing. As far as food
supplement is concerned, Selcon is an excellent product to soak the food in
before feeding. After things come back in line, would you consider 7-10G water
changes once a week? Small weekly or twice weekly water changes are more
affective than semi-monthly or monthly. Something to think about.
Thank you
<Again, I am sorry for the loss of your shrimp. Try to move past this and
continue as you were before as it sounds like your tank was thriving. Don>
Re: What a mess I made.......
Thank you Don for your advice. I began small water changes after I wrote my
letter to you. Already, my mushroom corals look wonderful. They are back to
their full size! That was incredible fast.
<Yes, the Corallimorph is very hardy.>
I wonder what to do with all my
supp.s? Trash them? Well, maybe I'll just keep them in the fridge, and next
time I consider using them, I'll make sure I need them!
<Maybe there is a marine society in your area? You might find out if any of
them could use the supplements.>
Thank you again,
A loyal follower of Wet Web Media,
Pamela
<You are welcome, again <G> and let us know how this works out for you,
Don>
Water quality issues, Coralline receding, snails dying
WWM Crew,
As many others have said, THANK YOU for the fantastic web site! My
wife
and I are new to the marine environment, and your website has been
extremely helpful. Also the new Marine invert. book looks amazing
from
what I have seen from the sample pages.
<Thank you for your kind words>
We are setting up a Oceanic 75 gal. mini reef tank. The equipment
currently in the tank are 2 MaxiJet powerheads,4-65W PC Coralife (2-10000K
and 2-actinics),Prizm Pro skimmer, Oceanic w/d sump (bio balls removed -
put skimmer in the "old bio area" - the output of the skimmer goes
into the
refugium with has LS and red Gracilaria growing - reverse photoperiod of
about 12 hrs.- which then overflows into the pump area to be returned to
the main tank), Eheim power canister filter (with floss and activate carbon
in it) and a UV sterilizer (not on) in a separate loop. We currently have
about 60 lbs. of LR (LR is Fiji (45%) and Aqua cultured from FL (55%)) and
45 lbs. of LS. The sand bed (mix of sand and LS) in the main tank is
3" of
fine sugar sand (a little medium fine aragonite mixed in).
Inhabitants:
No fish yet (trying to be patient and add slowly)
8 red legged hermit crabs
2 Astrea snails (only surviving snails - question to come soon)
2 peppermint shrimps (controlling the Aiptasia anemones)
2 Aiptasia anemones too large for the peppermint shrimp to eat (have to take
care of these soon)
lots of pods
Zoanthids (two "stalks" currently) growing out of the LR
A few feather dusters growing out of the LR
At least 3 bristleworms that also came out of the live rock
<Mmm, this is your "missing email" from a few days back...>
The tank is about 7 weeks old. The tank was cycled with the uncured
LR and
LS. For the past 3 weeks our water tests have shown ph 8.2, ammonia
0,
nitrite 0, nitrate 0,and a temp. of 80-82F. Within the last week we
have
been testing alkalinity and calcium. The current results are KH 11
dKH, GH
40+dkh (got tired of dropping reagent - is this possible or do I have a bad
test kit?), and CA of 255. I know that I need to increase
the CA
levels. I have been adding small amounts of Kalkwasser to increase
the CA,
but from reading your website, I would guess that I am close to a
precipitate snowstorm. Therefore I need to do water change to lower
the
alkalinity so that I can raise the CA -- Do I understand this
correctly? If so, then when I mix up my water for the water for the
water
change (RO water aerated for 12hrs, mix in buffer or not (I assume not
since I am trying to lower the alk.), mix in Instant ocean salt to the
correct spg, and heat to the "match" the tank temp) should I put
buffer in
the mix?
We added the PC lights about 2 weeks ago (before only ambient lighting and
1 48" NO Coralife flour.). Over the last week the coralline
algae on the LR
has been receding (mainly the dark and light purple, and dark and light
green algae -- the pink coralline seems to be growing well within the last
few days (after we started supplementing the Ca - small spots on the glass,
on the dead rock, and a little on the sand). Is the receding
coralline
algae due to the water quality issues (low Ca and high Alk.) and/or
acclimation to the new lights? Or is this too much lighting for this
tank? Or some kind of disease?
Also a few days ago we had several snails die during the night (They had
been in the tank for about 2 weeks at this point). 2 red footed moon
snails (I have read since then that red footed moon snails need a cooler
tank (78F max) and will die otherwise - is this true?), 2 other snails of
unknown variety (recommended by LFS) (shells conical in shape similar but
not markings to Astrea), and 2 Astrea snails. Could my water quality
(high
alk. and low Ca) have caused this? One LFS thought that we might be
starving the snails - is this likely? Or should I be looking for a
predator?
<Likely you're suffering from "too much, too soon" here... better
to wait a few weeks to months when setting up marine systems, especially with
live rock... Do read where I sent you previously and consider your options in
attaining a balance in your water chemistry. It is dangerous (and expensive!) to
mix various supplements together w/o a thorough working understanding of their
interactions. Bob Fenner>
Sorry for writing a book!
Thank you in advance for your assistance!
John
Sand- bed problem 4/6/04
Hi there, To the greatest site I have learned a lot throughout last 2 years.
<Good to hear!>
I have a 30 gallon reef tank with a 10 gallon sump, hang on protein skimmer and a
Skilter filter. the system is about 10 months old and a handful of corals and fish I have all doing fine. Even the
psychedelic mandarin. I use Kalkwasser to top of and daily 10 ml additions of b-ionic parts 1 and 2. Once a week I also use
Kent marine strontium & molybdenum and Kent marine concentrated iodine. all additives are added according to packaging instructions.
<Please do be cautious with iodine and Strontium/Molybdenum additions. It is quite easy to overdose in such a small tank. Also, you should be testing for these elements if you are adding. In most cases, regular partial water changes will supply enough of these elements without additional dosing.>
My problem and question is that the top quarter to half inch of the sand bed keeps getting hard like a rock every now and then. I can break it into pieces but it never goes back to its original state. I am guessing it has to do
something with the additives I use. can you please advice on this matter? Best regards Koko
<I suspect that your additions of Kalkwasser and B-Ionic are driving your pH, Alkalinity and Ca to very high levels. At high levels, calcium carbonate will precipitate onto the sand in your sand bed, solidifying it. If you don't currently test for calcium and alkalinity, you should start. You can then dose your
Kalkwasser and B-Ionic according to your tanks needs. Best Regards. Adam>
Alkalinity too high
Dear Bob,
<<JasonC today, greetings.>>
We have a marine reef tank and I've checked ph, phosphates, ammonia, nitrite,
nitrate, calcium...everything checks out fine....but the alkalinity is reading
4.5. <<In dKH, that's a 12.6, so while on the upper end of practical it
isn't really 'that' high.>>
I've done partial water changes, added magnesium, but still cannot control
alkalinity. <<I would stop adding anything [Kalkwasser, buffers, calcium,
etc.] for a little while, perhaps consider how/why you are adding all this stuff
beyond partial water changes.>>
Calcium is at 450 ppm - (dosed with Kalkwasser) PH is at 8.2 Rest checks out to
0 to trace ppm <<Well... with the calcium and alkalinity both towards the
higher end of the scale, you are on the precipice of a calcium precipitation
event. I would stop with the Kalkwasser for a little while and examine other
additives to make sure they aren't also boosting your alkalinity.>>
What are we doing wrong? <<Hard to say without a little more information,
like what else you add to the tank and how much, how often. I would also
consider the possibility that your test kit is off so testing with another kit
can at least be a good sanity check.>> Please advise...
Drex
<<Cheers, J -- >>
Precipitate in new tank: let it snow, let it snow,
made it snow
now I don't know what to do? I have tried searching the
site and I cant seem to find what am looking for?
is this water wasted already? can I add anything to
make the precipitate dissolve? thanks for your help in
advance Francis Perez
<no worries here, my friend. Once the reaction runs its course, the
precipitate is insoluble (practically) and harmless. Simply do another water
change (25-50% perhaps) to dilute the imbalance and then resume slow additions
of calcium (nightly) and buffer (by day) as necessary to reach targeted levels.
Aim for 8-12 dKH and 350-425 ppm Ca. Remember...when in doubt, do a water
change: "Dilution is the Solution to Pollution!" Best regards,
Anthony>
Hardening substrate
Hello WWM crew! Not sure who I'll get, but I know you all know your
stuff. My set up is as follows: 90 gal. reef tank, with 70 gal
refugium w/ 18" x 48" plenum. and 50 gal sump. Mostly SPS
and LPS corals and a couple anemones.
<good heavens... please split this group up soon if you want any of the to
see 5 years old let alone ten. A lot of chemical aggression with this garden
reef (soup) of drastically different corals. Please resist mixing LPS, SPS and
especially anemones (species tank) unnaturally>
150 lbs of LR and about 100 lbs Live sand. My skimmer is an AquaC EV 400. Total
system water is about 180gallons. The question I have is over the
last couple of months I have noticed something leaching out of the water and
covering the pumps impellers and heaters of the sump, but don't notice it on
anything else It is a white cement like substance that can only be
scraped off glass by a razor blade.
<calcium carbonate?>
Also the substrate in my plenum is starting to "crust over" or
"cement" together.
<ahhh... yes. Spiking your pH with supplements too much or too fast. Either
fast running Kalkwasser or excessive/unshaken (shake vigorously every time)
2-part mixes. Do water changes to dilute and temper your dosing protocol>
Nothing visible in the substrate but when you run your fingers through it, it
comes up in giant clumps 1" to 1.5" thick. Any
ideas? I use a couple of additives. EVS B-Ionic 2 part alk/cal, EVS
Iodine, Kent Marine Strontium, and EVS activated carbon.
<all sounds fine... I really like ESV products>
I do 5-10% water change each week with RODI water & Instant
Ocean.
<larger water changes needed here especially as long as you have such a wild
mix of corals and no application of ozone. Approach 25% weekly for ideal>
Also am thinking about added a calcium reactor.
<quite convenient>
Is the Knop C a good choice and big enough for my tank?
<hmm... that depends. What is your daily demand for calcium? ppm? I use a
Knop reactor myself and love it. Others favor different brands>
Looking forward to the new book. Keep up the great work! Be chatting,
Brad Stefanko
<thanks kindly! Anthony>
Any suggestions?
I started adding supplements to my tank about 4 months ago. At first
everything was opening up and looking excellent. Now, everything still looks
ok but my very large octopus coral and elegance coral have been closing up on
a daily basis. (I've had both corals for many years) The octopus coral has 4
large stalks and they seem to take turns closing up. These are the
supplements I've been adding and the amounts in a 75 gal tank, with live
rock. Nitrate, etc. levels are fine and I do regular water changes.
Red Sea Vita 5 ml. 1 time per week
Red Sea Green 5 ml. 1 time per week
Kent Marine Tech-M 12 ml. 1 time per week
Kent Marine Tech-I 6 ml. 1 time per week
Kent Marine Strontium & Molybdenum 6.5 ml. 1 time per week
Kent Marine Essential Elements 6.5 ml. every other week
These are all per instructions if you don't have test kits to test levels.
Any suggestions what might be going on?
<Well, you might have an accumulation problem, but not too likely with what you list, given that you're also doing regular partial water changes. I would definitely invest in at least a calcium and alkalinity test kits here. If these two corals continue to look bad (no problem if they're regularly opening/closing), I would effect larger water changes (like 20-25% weekly) and add a unit of activated carbon to your filter flow path. Do you feed your corals? You might try soaking their meaty foods in a vitamin preparation prior to offering. Bob
Fenner>
Messed up tank
Hi Bob,
Merry Christmas!
I need help with my 60G reef acrylic tank .. I was stupid enough to dump too much buffer
(water Kent buffer) into it last week and half of the front glass is now coated with "white stuff".
<Yeeikes!>
I tried scrapping it off with my credit card and with the cleaning pads but still there is a lot of "white stuff" left. Good thing is I am actually moving this weekend so I would get a chance to give it a good clean. Do you know of any good way to get the "white stuff" off?
<Not w/o emptying the tank... gently wiping with dilute acid (like vinegar, acetic) on a sponge, or better, swishing successive washes of it (white is better) onto the panels... Or letting time go by... it will wear off... Don't scrape! Bob Fenner>
Thanks again!
Brian
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