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FAQs about Marine Crab Identification 8
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Please help
identify this crab: Ocypodid - 11/30/07
Hello, <Hi there.> can you please help identify this crab for us.
<Will sure try!> We got this crab from our LFS and have researched it on
your site, but could not find any information about this crab. In one of
the pictures you can see that he raises his eyes.
<Yes, I see.>
Any information would be great.
<Unfortunately, I can’t Id it to species level, but I can narrow it down
a bit. I believe what you have is likely an Ocypodid (family
Ocypodidae). This family includes intertidal/shore crabs, commonly
called fiddler crabs, and ghost crabs. The first clue is that set of
extraordinary eyes. Crabs with long eyestalks like that are generally
intertidal/shore crabs. Although there are many families that contain
such crabs, yours seems to fit Ocypodidae best. There are several genera
under this family, and more subgenera, so identifying it further gets a
little tricky. I tend to think that it's in the genus Uca (fiddler
crabs), as opposed to Ocypode, mainly because of the slender eyestalks -
but I could be off. Your crab doesn't have the characteristic oversized
chelae/claw typical of a fiddler, but it could be a female or just too
young to have developed one. Again, this is all speculation. I'm sorry I
can't be more specific! Please see this link for basic
morphology/comparison re:
http://www.fiddlercrab.info/uca_morphology.html
You’re probably wondering at this point, just how suitable this crab is
for your tank. Unfortunately, not knowing your situation, I can only
speculate. Shore/intertidal crabs spend time above/below water. Some
come out at night, or when the tide's out. Some live on the
beach/mudflats in burrows. If in fact, you have a reef tank, I can’t
imagine a crab such as this doing too well long term, but I could be
wrong. One last thing of note is that crabs, in general, tend to be
opportunistic and may decide to prey on/pick at any number of organisms
in your tank, so unless this is a species-specific system, be sure to
keep an eye out for any resulting damage/loss. One thing's for sure -
it's a very pretty little crab!>
Thank you
<You're very welcome -Lynn> |
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Crab ID
please... Atergatopsis signatus, the Giant Egg crab 9/28/07
Hi Guys...
<Hi Jo, Mich here. Sorry for the delay.>
This crab hitched in on some live rock a few months back...
<Is a very pretty crab!>
I've been back and forth all over and I can't seem to get an ID on
him...His nippers aren't overly large, and he doesn't seem to be doing
any damage to corals or fish,
<I hope this continues to be the case, but crabs are never to be
trusted.>
I'm just curious what he is so I know how big he will get...he started
out at around 1cm across his back and now, 6mths later he’s around 3cm
across his back...
<Well, if my ID is correct, Atergatopsis signatus, the Giant Egg crab,
can reach up to 12 cm across! That's pretty big for any aquarium. You
may need to consider a different home for this beauty. Do you have a
nearby public aquarium?>
he is the most beautiful shade of lilac and very smooth...he spends most
of his time in a deep hole in the live rock and comes out for a feed at
night when I’m feeding the tank...any ideas ??...
<I do believe your crab may be a Giant Egg crab (Atergatopsis signatus)
but is hard to tell with just one picture. You can see more images here.
Particularly look at image # 4::
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://decapoda.free.fr/images/brachyura/Atergatopsis_signata~_TAH_928-21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://decapoda.free.fr/illustration.php%3Fn%3D5%26sp%3D85&h=559&w=752&sz=83&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=28vhb-XTRuaakM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAtergatopsis%2Bsignatus%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DG
>
Cheers...
<And to you! Mich>
JO... |
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Crab ID
8/9/07
Found this small (9.4mm wide carapace) crab under the seaweed on
Bailey Island, ME. Don't recall seeing any with a red "V" before. Can
you ID please?
David Reed
<Looks like an unusually coloured European shore crab, Carcinus maenas,
to me. The 5-points on the either side of the shell are indicative of
that species, though not unique to it. What is more telling is the
pointed final segment on the back pair of legs; on most of the similar
crabs, these are paddles: shore crabs are more fully adapted to
terrestrial life than most other intertidal crabs. The other "walking"
crabs like Hemigrapsus have fewer than five points on each side of the
shell. Despite its name, the European shore crab has been transported
all around the world, including both coasts of the US, so finding one in
Maine isn't unusual. They're fascinating animals -- their species name,
"maenas", means "mad one", a reference to their amazing fierceness and
territoriality. They are very easy to keep in marine or brackish water
aquaria, though predatory. They can survive exposure to dry air for
days, and will tolerate salinities down to almost (but not quite)
freshwater. Anyway, I could be wrong on the ID, so perhaps Bob or
someone else will chime in. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Crab ID
8/9/07
Thanks for the quick reply!
David
<Thanks for the thanks, but we don't actually know if I'm right! Cheers,
Neale> |
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Crabs... and
Ascidian, IDs – 08/02/07
Hey Crew.
<Hey now! Mich here.>
It's been a long time since I last wrote (about 3 days).
<Heehee! That is a long time from this email address!>
I have some crabs in my display about which I'm curious. Pics are
attached. The first pic is just a cool, very big sea squirt that I
have--just a cool pic, no question.
<Neat!>
The second pic is of a decorator crab (I think Schizophrys dama).
<Likely so.>
It is small (maybe 1/4" tall) and I think it's a really cool crab
(watching him lumber about, etc.), but I also know your general feeling
about crabs. As you can see, he has poached some polyps from my tree
corals. I saw him molesting them tonight, although they didn't seem to
mind too much.
<Hopefully he's just fragging it and not noshing on it.>
Anyway, question #1 is whether I should get him out of the display and,
if so,
<He's not "reef safe".
whether I can put him in my 30g refugium (4-6" DSB with 4lbs live rock
and Chaeto)?
<Could.>
Will it eat my pods/Chaeto?
<I'm not sure. I'm not finding much on the diet of this particular
species but most crabs are opportunistic omnivores.>
I could put him in my 30g QT, but not much in there for him to do.
<This may be a good option.>
Third pic is of some type of filter feeding crab that I noticed tonight.
Not a very good picture, but it definitely has sweeper arms that it uses
to filter feed and you can clearly see its filters in the attached pic.
It doesn't look like any Porcelain Crab I've ever seen (which is the
only crab I found while researching that has similar feather-like
appendages). So, question #2 is any idea what type of crab this is?
<Is likely a Neopetrolisthes or Petrolisthes species.>
Final question (no pic) is the suitability of what I think is a Mithrax
forceps (Red-Ridged Clinging Crab). It came in on some live rock and
I've been observing it for several months. It doesn't seem to molest
anything other than the little bit of macroalgae that I had (notice past
tense) in my display.
<"Seem to molest" is likely an accurate description... Most crabs are
opportunistic omnivores.>
Muchas gracias.
<De Nada!>
Andy
<Mich> |
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Stone Crabs! - 7/18/07
<Hi Bridget!>
I have pulled 3 of these guys out of my tank in the past 6 months. <Yikes!> Pet
store ID'd the last one and advised an elimination program. All research on the
web tells how tasty they are. <I’ve never had them, but I’ve heard that as
well.> That really is kinda useless. <Well, if you do indeed have the same
variety of "stone crab" that they use in the seafood industry, you can try
Googling its scientific name: Menippe mercenaria. That's the problem with common
names, though. One name can be used for many species.>
My biggest question is, are they really all that bad?
<Well, not if you want a crab tank! If you want a reef tank with snails, etc, in
it, then yep, I'm sorry but they’re bad. Crabs in the Menippe genus are xanthid,
or mud, crabs and have a bad reputation for being destructive in reef tanks.
Also, some Xanthids are toxic, so just in case, don't let anyone eat those
crabs!>
If so what's your best advise for removal?
<Please see this link and the post labeled “Trapping in Displays”:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/crabs/swcrabfaqs2.htm >
I do know I no longer have any hermit crabs and my yellow tang has gone missing?
<Hmmmm, not good.> Now have 3 fish in the 75, 2 true percula's and one coral
beauty.
Thank you for your time
Bridget
<You're very welcome, and good luck! -Lynn>
Re: Stone Crabs! Follow-up 7/19/07
<Hi again, Bridget! Lynn here.>
Well I found some pictures here
http://www.okeefes.org/Crabs/crab%20photos%20and%20scans.htm and this guy
<(Pilumnus sayi)> is definitely what I have and not the stone crabs <(Menippe
mercenaria)> *Pilumnus sayi*
<Thanks! Pilumnus sayi, sometimes called the hairy mud crab, or spineback hairy
crab, has those same robust claws as the yummy stone crabs (Menippe mercenaria)
but with lots of bristles! Unfortunately, it’s still a xanthid and potential
trouble down the road for a mixed reef tank.>
Hubby is being a grump and not wanting to remove these guys.
<I can understand that. As much trouble as they can cause for the other
inhabitants of your tank, they’re still neat little creatures! Why not set up a
separate tank for them? It’s a win-win!>
Myself, I'm more than concerned about the quantity and I'm wondering if they
might be reproducing or if they just came in with the live rock.
<Almost guaranteed that they came in with the rock. The juvenile stages of crabs
have a next to nil chance of surviving in the average tank.>
I don't see these guys. They're professional hiders, <Yes indeed!> I'm only
finding dead bodies.
<Of snails, etc, or the crabs themselves? If it’s snails, etc, that’s not too
surprising. If it’s crab bodies, they could just be the shed shells from when
they molt.>
Which makes me more concerned about anyone else in the tank.
<Understandable either way!>
Tank is a 75 reef established 3 years, new live rock with oysters 6 months ago.
<Sounds like a nice tank to me!>
Thank you for your time.
Bridget
<You’re most welcome, Bridget. I’d try to trap these guys (see previous link on
this) and set them up in a tank of their own. Good luck! -Lynn >
CRAB ID...
Yum! 7/16/07
Good Morning,
<And to you! Mich here.>
This is my first question for the Crew; however you forum has saved me
hundreds of dollars and too numerous hours with the information posted
on you website.
<Very good to hear!>
I am trying to ID a crab in my tank. He was in a deep hole in a piece of
LR and he only came out at night. He finally got too big for the hole
and I managed to get he cornered in another piece of LR. anyway can you
help ID this little critter.
<Mmm, boy I'm not really sure I can even get this crab to the family
level, my guess would be this might be Family Cancridae and it does
resemble the Red Rock crab (Cancer antennarius) picture posted on the
site... Same family as the Dungeness Crabs. But is more of a guess than
an ID.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/crabs/swcrabs.htm
I would doubt that it is reef safe or fish friendly by the size of the
claws. Look more like the type you might eat than keep as a pet. I would
certainly house him out of the display. Perhaps the refugium or maybe
your local Red Lobster would be a more suitable home?>
Paul
<I suppose it would be just outright wrong to ask if you had any drawn
butter? Heehee! Mich> |
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Crab ID and
Clown/Anemone Question – 07/03/07
Crew,
Sorry to lump two different subjects in the same e-mail, but thought it
would save you some time.
I purchased 65lbs or live rock (50 lbs Fiji/Marshall and 15lbs Florida)
about 5 months ago. In the last week or so, I noticed two crabs that
hitchhiked in. My face is pressed against the glass every night, so I'm
really surprised I haven't seen these crabs until recently (although my
tank is 110g). I have attached pictures. I'm pretty sure the first
picture is of a sponge crab, genus Schizophrys. It is pretty small and
is covered with pieces of orange sponge. The second two pictures are of
the same crab. It's hard to get a good shot of it, but it is pretty
small (maybe 1/2") and relatively flat with hairy legs. It's claws are
pretty small. I've searched the web and WWM but can't find a picture
that looks like either of these crabs. My closest guess on the second is
the Schizophrys aspera.
<Appears to be...>
Should I remove these?
<Mmm, not yet>
Currently, I don't have much in the way of fishes or inverts. One gold
banded maroon clown, one BTA, two cleaner shrimp, a pretty good sized
clean-up crew, and a sailfin tang in QT. I intend to stick with smallish
fish (but not tiny) and some soft corals.
When I bought my clown, he was loving life in a BTA. Since I've had him,
though, he's spent much of his life in a hospital tank while my display
went fallow for 4+ weeks. I recently introduced him back into the tank
and he shows no interest in my BTA.
<Takes time...>
My BTA is tucked under a rock at the bottom of the tank, but definitely
visible, flowing, calling out to his friend, but the clown seems totally
uninterested. I find this strange since he was in a BTA when I purchased
him. I would love for them to have a hot, lovely relations. Do clowns
find anemones by scent, sight, some combination of the two, or none of
the two?
<Good question... I don't know... perhaps a bit of both... It is known
that the fish DO communicate with the Anemones chemically>
Are clowns fickle, or can it take weeks or longer for the clown to
settle in and accept a BTA?
<I suspect both... plus a bit autistic... have short memories...>
As always, your thoughts are appreciated.
Andy
<Welcome. Bob Fenner> |
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