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FAQs about Trachyphylliid Coral Disease/Health, Parasites, Pests 1
Related Articles:
Coral Pests and Disease; pests, predators, diseases and conditions
by Sara Mavinkurve,
Trachyphylliid Corals,
Trachyphyllia Reproduction Report,
Related FAQs: Trachyphyllia Disease 2,
Trachyphyllia Disease 3,
Trachyphyllia Disease 4,
Trachyphyllia Disease 5, & Open
Brain Coral 1, Open Brain Coral 2,
Trachyphylliid Identification,
Trachyphylliid Behavior,
Trachyphylliid Selection,
Trachyphylliid Compatibility,
Trachyphylliid Feeding,
Trachyphylliid Systems,
Trachyphylliid Reproduction, Stony Corals,
Stonies 2, Stonies 3,
LPS Stony Corals, Coral System Set-Up,
Coral System Lighting, Stony Coral
Selection, Coral Placement,
Foods/Feeding/Nutrition,
Disease/Health, Propagation, Stony
Coral Behavior, | 
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Bloated Open Brain (Trachyphyllia) 6/25/08
Hi WWM Crew,
<Hello
Cindy!>
I am very much hoping that you can alleviate my worries about
our open brain.
<I hope so too!>
We've had 'him' for about 4
weeks now and until recently it appeared as though everything was going
well. Until the past few days his tentacles would come out every evening
- dinner time for everyone else as he was curious. Twice a week we feed
him a small morsel of clam, muscle, shrimp or octopus; which he accepts
gladly.
<Great! Glad to see you must have researched husbandry a
little. Too many of these starve to death in aquariums.>
There are
never any leftovers and he hasn't spewed anything back into the tank.
The rest of the week he will get left overs that may drift to the bottom
once the fish have had their fill.
As far as I can tell he's well
fed. Recently we have upgraded our lighting and we are trying to
acclimate everyone slowly to the better lighting.
Since we've changed
the lighting though the open brain coral has bloated and his tentacles
are extended all the time. Based on all the research I've done I was
sure that his tentacles were a sure sign of hunger and the bloating was
generally reserved for the day after meals; but for the past three days
they are out almost 24/7 and his bloating is incredible; he expands by
about 50%. He still expands/retracts but the bloating is so much more
than we've seen in the past that I'm worried about the behaviour. Is he
incredibly hungry or just loving the new light? Do I step up the
feeding/reduce/change it??
<This is a stress response, most likely.
Expansion means more surface area, and therefore more passive
cooling/waste diffusion. Even if he isn't cooking, full of waste, or
wanting more light a coral only has so many responses to stress. If
something seems wrong and all you can do is puff up, you're going to
puff up- know what I mean?>
Tank details:
6 months old, 45 gal
-corner tank, 40lbs live rock, 2" live crushed coral covered by 1" fine
live sand. 2 percula clowns, 1 cleaner shrimp, one engineer goby, 1
hammer coral, 1 bubble coral, 1 open brain :-), green Zoanthid polyps, 1
doz. assorted snails, 3 red hermits, various blue legged crabs, small
refugium with 4 mangroves, Tunze 50 gal protein skimmer, Fluval filter,
78 degrees, 8.2 ph, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 20 nitrate??, 380 calcium. The
calcium levels is slowly being increased (over the course of 2 weeks) to
400. The nitrates are frustrating, they are always there, we've tested
the change water and the nitrates are 0, but after 1 day they jump to
10, am hoping the new lighting will increase the algae and that will
help to take care of the nitrates.
<Well, to run the colloquialism
through the nitrogen cycle..."nitrate happens". It can be tough to
control in smaller tanks...but it sounds like you know how to stay on
top of it.>
Change water 10% twice weekly. Old lighting: 2 x 18" 15w
fluorescent bulbs 1 x 10,000k (ocean sun), 1 x 20,000 (coral sun) - new
lighting: 1 250w 14,000k metal halide.
<VERY good lighting! Keep an
eye on that 14k, I've heard sometimes they don't hold their spectrum as
long as the 10k or 20k flavor.>
Thank you very much for the hours
upon hours of reading material that you have provided for us!
<You
are very welcome! Thank you for reading them! I think your brain should
return to normal as he adjusts to the new lighting. If he begins to
bleach or show other signs of serious stress consider slower acclimation
to the light- and feel free to write in if problems arise.>
Cindy
<Benjamin> Green open brain not inflating 10/6/05
I
enjoy your site and find it very helpful. I have looked at many articles
and Q & A on open brain corals. I have some answers but was looking for
more specific suggestions. I have a 29 gallon tank. 135 watts power
compact lights. Ph=8.3, salinity is currently 1.026 (has fluctuated from
1.024-1.027 at times b/c of evaporation. Relatively stable though),
Nitrate 5-10, Nitrite 0, Ammonia 0, Calcium 480, KH 8, temp 78 degrees
(some fluctuations but relatively stable). Bak-Pak 2r Skimmer, Skilter
250 (don't use skimming aspect), and power sweep 212. I have had a green
open brain for two months. I purchased it from my LFS attached to a
small piece of rock. I have sat it on the bottom since I got it. It
seemed to be doing very well up until 2-3 days ago. It would
inflate/expand during the day while deflating and tentacles would come
out at night. Recently it does not inflate/expand like it used to
during the day. Also it has not opened its mouth during feeding
recently. Finally, I no
longer see its tentacles at night. I have
historically feed a variety of frozen foods to the couple fish in my
tank including: mysis, formula one, ocean plankton. I had not directly
feed this brain but always observed it opening its mouth during feeding
times and had visibly seen it eat small pieces of food that float into
its mouth in the past. Should I be concerned about this change? Any
advice its greatly appreciated. <Not a difficult coral to care
for. Your lighting is close to borderline for keeping these. As far as
food, they will produce most of their own food but benefit from
occasional plankton feeding such as Cyclop-Eeze. You didn't state how
long you have had it. Is lighting on for 12 hours/day? Addition of
strontium and other trace elements is very helpful in maintaining this
coral. Read here Anthony...http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphlliidae.htm James
(Salty Dog)>
Thanks
Anthony Green open brain II 10/7/05
Thanks for your quick response.
<You're welcome>
Yes, I do keep
my lights on for 12 hours/day. I actually do dose with strontium and
iodine. I also do 5 Gallon weekly water changes. My question is
specifically does the lack of inflating and currently no tentacles at
night represent some kind of specific problem? What can I do? It seems
to be a negative change from my observations.
Is the green open brain
dying?
<Pretty tough to answer that without observing. Couple of
things to consider...How old are the PC bulbs. Should be changed yearly.
Might want to try moving the coral. Do not keep it in direct current
path from the pump/powerhead. Do you have any fish that may be picking
on it? Are water changes done with Reef Crystals or a similarly reef
enhanced product? Other than that, just observe. You didn't mention how
long you've had it, short time/long time. James (Salty Dog)> Open
Brain Coral. HELP!! - 08/20/05
Hi,
<<Hello>>
I recently
bought an open brain coral that is hot pink and green.
<<I love
these!>>
It has not opened up at all yet to release its tentacles
but it has opened and closed its mouth. I am only feeding it oyster
eggs and plankton at the moment.
<<Diced meaty foods please...>>
My concern is that the coral is starting to loose its color and the
skeleton is starting to show around the edges.
<<A bad sign.>>
I
moved it into a cave because I think the light was to strong.
<<A
common mistake to put these corals in the top third of the tank
believing the bright colors indicate high light requirements...usually
dooms the coral. Should be on the bottom in the sand for most
(conical-shaped skeleton).>>
Since then I have yet to see the mouth
close at all. Is this normal?
<<No...another bad sign.>>
Now,
the fleshy middle where the mouth is has been ripped or detached from
the outer skeleton. Will my coral make it to see another day or is this
a battle that's already been lost?
<<From your description I'm
inclined to believe this coral is doomed/lost. Do ensure your water
parameters are up to par, and have a good read through our FAQs re this
coral: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphyllidfaqs.htm
Jessica
<<Regards, EricR>> Re: Trachyphyllia..
nutrition, health... RMF career 7/22/05
Good day Bob or whoever I
may be speaking to today....I hope all is going great today...
I
have several things to throw your way today...I'm sorry if I've got a
repeat question thrown in here.
In regards to my Trachyphyllia:
When food is offered to it, the mouths close up. Except when I offered
plankton. I haven't ever seen sweeper tentacles come out (even when it
was doing normal cycles), Do you think it may be getting the nutrients
it needs by me taking a plastic syringe and gently directing fine meaty
foods at it... even without the presence of the tentacles?
<Possibly, yes>
The algae that is forming on small parts of the
skeleton... could I try to gently remove it somehow or would this be
advised against?
<Directing a stream of water... as with a powerhead
or small submersible pump is all I would do... don't physically touch>
Is Iodide harmful to any marine animals or corals if used properly (that
you are aware of)?
<Not unless overdosed>
I've got a rock that
had several mushroom corals growing, a piece of the rock broke off
leaving one of the mushrooms attached to the original rock as well as
the broken off piece. Is it best to let it be (it is hanging, I've
propped it back up but it wont stay) or someone recommended I should
just tear it off the original rock :( sounds painful but I'm not sure it
feels pain like that? :)
<I would "tear it off", move it to
someplace safe, stable>
Thank you in helping me on my journey, I
swear I'm not trying to be hand fed... I just need a little help with
this predicament (the brain). And the other questions are just thrown in
there... my main concern is my brain though!
On a bit of a more
social level...what is your favorite dive location?
<Mmm, there's a
bunch... overall, the Red Sea likely>
Bob... do you go and speak at
seminars
<Almost every month... for the last few decades... to hobby
groups mainly, in the pet-fish and dive/adventure interests>
or am I
interpreting some info wrong.... at one point in one of your responses
to someone's questions it sounded like you do seminars, if you do...have
you ever found yourself in Indiana?
<I think so...>
One more
personal/social question... what is your career...
How do you make
it possible to go on all these wonderful diving journeys?
Thanks
guys!!!
Codie S.
<Good, friendly questions... I do five "things"
for money, including two that are petfish related... am a content
provider, selling writing and photography... But really, am retired in
terms of having to "do" work... invested a part of what I earned, in
stocks in good companies, real property... so I can/do travel about half
the year. And I do encourage you to take up the dive, travel habit as
well! Thank you for asking, sharing. Bob Fenner>
Trachyphyllia health mainly 7/19/05
Hello...Your site is
wonderful! I have an open brain (Trachyphyllia).
I received many
corals from a man who was going to throw them away.... some were in
great condition however my brain was not too great.
I've had it now
for about a month. At first it didn't go through a normal cycle, then
for about a week it started to... I had two large hermits
<Predaceous...>
(I took them to a new home last week) that were
picking on the brain, needless to say the brain quit going through its
cycles because these crabs were picking at it. Now the brain's tissue
is ripped, has holes in it, and about half of it's skeleton is
visible. The color in the tissue is still good, there is some algae
growing on the outer rim of the skeleton.
<Not good>
I'm very
concerned, and I'm not too sure that it is going to recoup. It hasn't
been going through it's cycles, it's like it can't because it is so
filled with holes (if that is a possible reasoning?), How do I go about
making sure it is getting food so it can regain it's life, etc?
<Iodide treatments, fine food offerings...>
Is there anything else
I could do to help it's recovery move along quickly? Is it possibly
hurting anything in my tank by being so decrepit?
<Possibly... I
would watch your water quality, other livestock>
Sorry for so many
questions! I've searched your site and you have so so much info on
Trachyphyllia (so much wonderful info about a lot of things!) but I
can't seem to find what I should do about my situation. Please help :)
Thank you so much!
Codie S.
<Keep reading my friend. Clarity is
pleasurable. Bob Fenner>
Sponge taking over open brain coral 5/31/03
I have an open
brain coral (Trachyphyllia geoffroyi) that has a sponge grow on
it. I first noticed the sponge about 5-months ago and about
3-months ago it split into two sponges. Both sponge are
approximately equal size. I left it alone as it was not hurting the
open brain coral.
<actually, most all sponges are quite
noxious... the warfare between most invertebrates is slow
(weeks/months)>
Recently, I noticed the open brain receding in
the area near the sponge, as the sponge is growing larger. I have
attached some picts. Do you know what type of sponge this may be?
<it appears to be a common yellow/green calcareous species that we
often see in aquaria. Perhaps a Clathrina sp>
Would it be
possible to cut the sponge off along with some of the skeleton of
the coral?
<yes... very good>
I really like the look of the
sponge and want to keep it, but I also don't want to lose my open
brain. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
<you have the
right idea, my friend>
I have a 46-gallon bow front tank and the
open brain is approximately 6" by 5" shape. All the water
parameters are good; ph 8.2, calcium ~430, phosphate 0.3, no
detectable amounts of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. Thanks, Alex
<all good, best regards, Anthony> | 
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Trachyphyllia gone wild!!!! - 6/23/03
My favorite coral has not
been doing well for a few weeks. <Sorry to hear> This afternoon I took
the turkey baster to blow off the sand that the sand-sifting goby threw
on top of the open brain. <Not good, my friend> I was going to move the
brain away from the fish's den and when I lifted the brain to get a look
at the bottom of the brain I discovered that the skeleton was showing.
<I saw that in the picture. In need of TLC for sure> I decided to lift
it off the sand with a piece of PVC. <Very good idea and I pray you
moved it away from the goby's den?> I also noticed that there are hard
tubes growing on the sides of the skeleton, like the ones that feather
dusters build. <I have that on mine as well. Normal.... and as far as I
can see, no harm no foul. Just opportunistic space requiring tube
worms.> What should I do to help my brain??? Well, first be sure to move
it away from the goby's den. Elevating is good. No algae blooms! Keep
water clean through a frequent water change regime. Feed the coral if it
will extend it's tentacles for feeding. Maybe even coax it by spraying a
little Mysid juice before feeding. If not already, stabilize your
lighting scheme, and lastly, be sure that if the brain were to expand,
that it does not scrape against rocks or other corals. Even a healthy
specimen can have a hard time with that. Good luck> Thanks in advance.
By the way, if this pictures are helpful to you, you may keep and
publish. <We'll do! thanks>
-RY | 
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Brain Bleaching?
Hi I have a red brain coral I have had him for
about a year now. I have noticed that his color is fading and he is
turning a white color. He's not shrunken or shriveled, he just is
turning white like the color is fading out. Any suggestions?
<Well,
there could be a number of factors at play. Check water quality,
lighting (are the bulbs getting old? Too much light?), feeding habits
(are you feeding the animal regularly?), current (excessive current?).
Any potential allelopathic competition (like from Sinularia or other
"noxious" soft corals). Is anyone in the tank "sampling" the coral's
tissue? These guys seem very "tasty" to some fish...Lots of possible
factors. Do a little checking, and adjust conditions as needed. The
answers are out there! Good luck! Regards, Scott F> The Tang
That Ate His Brain! (Brain Coral In Trouble?)
I have a brain
coral (Trachyphyllia) and over the last few days I have noticed a white
cotton like substance on it, a little smaller than the size of a pencil
eraser. It seems to be getting larger. The interesting thing is that
when the lights come on it seems to suck into the brain coral and
vanishes. Could there be a bite in the coral caused by my yellow tang
taking a nip at it once in awhile or is this some sort of sponge? Thank
you so much for your help!
<Well, for whatever reason, these corals
seem to be especially "tasty" to many fishes. I suspect that, as you
surmised, this may be some localized trauma to the coral as a result of
someone "munching". The abscess or traumatized area probably seems to
"retract" into the animal when the tissue expands in response to "lights
up"...Keep a close eye on the animal, and consider removing it if it is
continuously harassed by the tang, or declines in health...Good luck!
Regards, Scott F> Burned Tissue
hello crew, <Hi, Ryan
with you> I have this awesome green Trachyphyllia that was in contact
with one of my Favias sweeper tentacles, <Yikes> I have moved the two of
them further apart. The Trachyphillia's tissue is damaged in one area,
skeleton showing , about 1/4" on the bottom ridge. Is there any thing I
can do to prevent further loss and possibly help it grow back? <A nice
large water change of 20%. That's about it> I have been feeding the
other areas of the coral heavy with Selcon soaked Mysis shrimp, I've
been trying to get the damaged polyp to eat as much as I can , the end
mouth won't take in the food but the others next to the damage will eat.
<Leave him be, it will re-grow> Iodine dip??? Coral dip??? <Nope> Kinda
in a hurry , thanks a lot all...<no problem! See ya, Ryan>
Trachyphyllia Health
Hi Crew,
(re-sending without
attachment. For some reason all my emails sent to
“crew@wetwebmedia.com” bounce back if I include an attachment – even
though the size is minimal [25kB])
I am a bit concerned about my
Trachyphyllia. I think I have a T. Radiata but, from the attached
photo, maybe you can help me to verify this as well (it has a flat
base – not conical and it does appear to have more “folds” than what
I have observed in most photos of T. geoffroyi). My concern is that
I can see the skeleton nearly penetrating through the coral’s tissue
in many places. This occurs during the day but the coral inflates
to nearly round after the lights turn off and it appears “normal” at
this time. << I wouldn't be surprised if it is eating at night, and
therefore expanding. >> I have had this coral for about a month now
and it does seem that the skeleton has become more visible during
this time.
This coral sits on the aragonite substrate of my 180g
tank, with 520W of PC lighting (50% actinic / 50% 10,000K) and 3,000
gph flow (1,200 gph via alternating-flow manifold). Water
parameters: Temp=79-81 F, pH=8.1-8.2, Alk=4meq, Ammonia=0,
Nitrite=0, Nitrate<5ppm, Ca=400ppm. I noticed my pygmy angel
nipping at this coral for the first several days after adding the
Trachyphyllia to the tank but, with over 200 pounds of live rock, I
have been unable to catch this fish (I am open to any
suggestions). I am moving in six weeks so I will remove all such
“nuisance fish” when I drain the tank at that time. I am just
concerned that this coral might not make it that long.
My second
concern is that I have never been able to see any feeder tentacles
or polyps on this coral. I had read that these corals are very
hardy and that they require no external food so I had not been
concerned about feeding it. Tonight I read that these corals
require feedings about three times weekly, with meaty foods and that
they should only be fed when their tentacles are out. << The coral
may not "need" to be fed, but feeding can certainly help them
grow. I would recommend weekly feeding. >> So now I am worried that
I have been starving the coral and that I do not know how to feed it
(since there appear to be no tentacles). I have used a dim
flashlight to check for tentacles on several occasions (after the
tank lights have been out for a few hours and the brain coral was
inflated). << You can directly target feed these types of
corals. You can use any type of small shrimp or even krill. Simply
feed your tank (the coral can tell when there is food around) and
wait a few minutes. Then, with your fingers take a piece of shrimp
and hold it on the coral (near any mouth opening). It may take a
few minutes, but it will open up and ingest the food. Go to
www.utahreefs.com and under Presentations you will find a PowerPoint
on Feeding A Reef. It has video clips of feeding brain corals. >>
I have Eric Bornemann's book “Aquarium Corals”, in which I have read
everything I could find about this coral. Unfortunately, I feel
that I am still missing something. I have tried feeding
zooplankton, phytoplankton, marine snow and mysids but I have never
noticed any feeding response from this coral. << They are not the
easiest corals to feed. Unfortunately indirect feeding, and even
semi direct feeding don't work well for them. You really have to
hold the food right on them. >> I have even used a turkey baster to
quirt these foods directly
onto the surface of the coral but my
cleaner shrimp always picks the food off the coral before the coral
has a chance to react. I have tried this during the day and at
night, with the same results.
Please advise how I should attempt
to feed this coral and what might be causing the appearance of the
exposed skeleton. I am assuming this is not health appearance. << I
would also see what other's are doing to keep these corals. You may
be able to pick up some advice from some friends in similar
situations. I for one like to have these corals in areas of high
lighting. >>
Thank you,
--Greg
<< Adam Blundell >> |
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Follow-up: Trachyphyllia Health
Adam (or crew member of the day), <Hi Greg, MacL here>
Since my
emailed photos are no longer being received via WWM email, I put the
photo of my Trachyphyllia on a web page for you to view (http://home.comcast.net/~greg.wyatt/trachy.htm).
<Sorry you are having to do this. Some type of technical
difficulties.> Hopefully this will help to clear-up my concerns.
Since this is my first brain coral, I am unsure whether the white,
nearly exposed skeletal areas around the mouths should be considered
"normal". <Have you been to the website and looked at the section on
these types of corals?
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphlliidae.htm. This looks very
similar to the ones pictured on this page. I can't see very well
around the mouth because of the angle but you should be able to tell
if its similar or not.> The pygmy angel that appears to think this
coral is an appetizer and the apparent lack of feeder tentacles has
me concerned. <I'm sure and pygmy's can be terrible pests to this
type of coral. You might need to consider removing the pygmy. But
let me ask? If you haven't seen him nibble on it why do you think
he's the pest for it? Like Adam, I think you need to feed this
coral. Is there anyway to keep the shrimp off of it? Perhaps even
putting it in something to feed it? I hate to disturb them but I
really feel you need to feed it some. I am a bit concerned that you
are seeing through to the stony coral below. Although the fact that
it is swelling at night does mean usually that it is feeding. I know
that my brains feed much better at night.>If you have any additional
input after viewing this photo, please advise. Thank you! <Hope this
helped Greg, MacL.>
--Greg | Trachyphyllia
Problem II
Hi MacL, <Hi Greg, got a little help
from a friend to help you as well.> I wish I could remove the
pygmy angel but, as I mentioned below, I have a 180 gallon tank
with over 200 pounds of live rock. So, although I have tried
many methods of capturing this fish, I have had no luck.<Well I
know people who have gone so far as to try to catch them with a
hook.> I certainly welcome any suggestion you might have for
catching this fish! Otherwise, I do plan on removing it, my
damsels and an eyelash blenny when I move to my new house in six
weeks. I must drain the tank at that time so I should be able
to catch everything them. I am just concerned the Trachyphyllia
will not last that long. <Well I've heard of an acrylic cage
over them. With lots of openings that water and light can go
through but not the angel.>
The reason I am concerned about
the pygmy angel is because it nips at the brain coral
daily. Although I have never noticed it removing tissue from
the coral directly, I am sure this nipping must cause some
amount of coral stress. <The Trachyphyllia is pulling it's
flesh in so often that it's exposing areas of
skeleton. Trachyphyllia retract due to declining water
parameters or some other form of irritation, usually nipping by
fish or chemical warfare from other organisms. Since this coral
is not in the close proximity to other corals and (assumably)
the water parameters are in check, the angel seems to be the
culprit.>
I tried again to feed the coral tonight. I soaked
freeze-dried krill in tank water and Selcon for 30 minutes. I
then cut the softened krill into small pieces and held one piece
over the oral cavity of the Trachyphyllia.
The coral did
expand slightly but, even after 20 minutes, sweeper tentacles
never appeared and it never ate the krill. <Maybe something
smaller? like Mysis?>
There are two openings on this
coral. I assumed both are oral openings. Is this the case or
is one an "entrance and the other an "exit"? If so, I think I
might heed to apologize to my coral! ;-) Maybe re-hydrated,
freeze dried foods will not be consumed by corals. My fish love
them so I expected to at least get some response from the
Trachyphyllia.
Do you have any other suggestions? <You have
got to find a way to protect that coral? or perhaps a friend to
keep it until you get the fish moved? Good luck Greg, MacL>
--Greg
P.S.
Please forward the issue about the file
attachment to your ISP. This was a problem a few weeks ago also
but I was eventually able to get an email through. For the past
week I have been unable to get any email through if it contained
attachments (even very small attachments). <Done> |
Follow-up on Trachyphyllia
Hi Crew!<Hi Greg>
Good news
today!!! Regarding the problem with my Trachyphyllia, mentioned
below - I moved this coral to my refugium and in only one day it
looks like
a completely different coral! <Wonderful to hear> It
is now inflated at all times, all tears
appear to have mended
and it has vibrant color. [ I tried to attach "before" and "after"
photos to this email but, once again, WWM email bounced the email
with these small attachments. You can view the photos at:
http://home.comcast.net/~greg.wyatt/trachy.htm ]
I guess the
pygmy angel's nipping must have been irritating the coral to the
point where it was declining rapidly. The refugium lighting is
closer to the coral and there is also an ample supply of Mysid
shrimp, amphipods and copepods in the refugium as well, so maybe the
coral is finally eating also. Whatever the cause, the Trachyphyllia
has nearly made an instant recovery.
My plan now is to just
wait-out the next six weeks until I move to my new house. At that
time I will drain my 180g tank and remove the nuisance fish (the
pygmy angel, three damsels and an "attack" eyelash blenny). Then I
hope the Trachyphyllia will find the tank a much better place to
live. <Sounds like it!> Of course, the move presents challenges of
its own - having several tangs, other fish, 200+ pounds of live
rock, live sand and some corals!
Anyway, I just wanted to
follow-up with the good news! As always, thank you for maintaining
such a truly beneficial service in WetWebMedia.com! <Glad we could
help.>
--Greg |
Brain Meltdown
Hi,
<Hello, Ryan Bowen with you today>
I'm sorry if I am bothering you.
<Not at all> I can't find the answer to this. I have a 46 bow, water,
temp., etc. good. I had a small pink and green brain in my tank for a
few days and it looked to be doing fine. I went out of town for a few
days and had a house sitter here taking care of everything. When I got
back, the brain was all white and a hard coral. <Do you mean that his
skeleton was exposed?> I don't know what went wrong. I also have a colt
coral and it's fine. <A much hardier specimen> Tank mates include clown,
mandarin dragonet, Kole tang, humbug, coral beauty, emerald green crab,
blue legged crab, yellow tang,, and things growing on live rock. All
fish are small right now. <Yes, but they grow!> If you can help me it
would be great. Thank you.
<I'm not sure that you have adequate
lighting for this coral. What are you using? Also, the coral beauty is
a notorious nipper at clam and coral of this type. Other than that, I'm
going to need more specifics (Not just water's good) to get to the root
of this problem. Good luck, Ryan.>
Kris Open
brain question
Hi WWM crew – love your website; what a wonderful
resource of information! I have searched the archives, FAQs, etc.
but not found enough specific info to answer my question . . . so here
we go:
I was recently (10 days ago) given an open brain coral
(Trachyphyllia geoffroyi) by a well-meaning (but lacking any aquarium
experience) friend.
I have a 125 g reef system, up and running for
18 months. Current creatures include: 4 clowns sharing 2 BTAs, 1 yellow
tang, 1 royal Gramma, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 coral banded shrimp, and usual
assortment of snails. Corals include 1 hammerhead, 1 Galaxea, a small
stalk of xenia, and 2 gorgonians (Diodogorgia nodulifera & Swiftia
exserta). The BTAs are on one side of the tank, anchored mid-way up the
rockwork and happy campers. The hammerhead and Galaxea are on the other
side of the tank, about a foot apart and 8” from the top of the tank.
The gorgonians are on the sand, one at each end of the tank.
I
placed the open brain in the sand at the front center of the tank, where
it gets light and low/moderate current. (current provided by 2 opposing
Maxijet 1200s in the two back corners of the tank and inflow from a Rena
XP3 (used for mechanical filtration), a Mag3 and no-name powerhead rated
at 500gph also provide circulation (the Mag3 runs an Aqua C Remora
protein skimmer) (total circulation = 15x tank volume).
Water
parameters all test fine (0 ammonia, nitrates, nitrites, phosphates)
with Alk of 3.5 mEq and Ca 300-350ppm range, depending on water
changes/bi-weekly dosing.
<Okay>
Anyway, I didn’t know anything
about brain corals before receiving this one, so read everything I could
find about them on your website. This coral doesn’t have good polyp
extension, the swelling barely covered the skeleton when I got him, so I
figured he was probably hungry, and after several days to acclimate, I
attempted feeding him finely diced shrimp & mussels (same mixture I feed
the anemones). I have gotten him to eat twice, but he doesn’t have
long or large feeding tentacles – they only raise like tiny bumps. It is
a slow process that takes about 1 hour to accomplish, and I have to fend
off my cleaner shrimp to keep him from trying to steal the food while
the brain is working at engulfing it with the polyps/tentacles. I was
guessing that maybe he is just starved and has tissue recession due to
capture, lack of feeding, etc.
<This is my guess as well>
But
after the second feeding two days ago, he seems to have gotten worse.
The skin seems to be tearing and ridges of the skeleton are poking
through on two of the polyps. He is not even swelling at all during the
day. The polyps are deflated and looking thin. Upon careful inspection I
noticed that it appears he has had a slow tissue regression for some
time. Can it be saved?
<Yes>
If so, what is the best approach? I
have noticed what appear to be grains of sand in the skeletal parts that
are exposed. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Kevin
<I do not see that you
add iodine/ate here... I would definitely dose this at near maximum... I
would re-direct your circulation to this animals vicinity and if
possible increase the lighting directed toward it... other than this, I
would not move it, would keep offering foods... Bob Fenner> 
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Trachyphyllia Troubles
I hope you can answer this question, I
have recently purchased a Trachyphyllia. Below is a picture of the
coral. As you will note from the photo there are two open brains.
The top coral seems to be doing very well. Within a day or so of
introducing it to the aquarium the bottom brain has retracted from
the skeleton. The edges of the soft tissue appear to be melting away
it's mouth is gaping. Is the bottom brain dying and if so what
should I do? The top brain is doing ok. Will the bottom brain get
better? Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated?
<John, the problem appears to be that these corals are right next to
each other. The one in poor shape probably got stung by the other.
Separate them and all you can do is hope for the best. James (Salty
Dog)> |
Open Brain Sliming
Good
Morning!
<It's evening! Trying to trick me, eh...>
I purchased a
green/red open brain a couple of weeks ago. It looked good, has expanded
more in my tank than in the LFS, but yesterday morning I noticed a bit
of a translucent slime around one edge. This morning it had extended to
enshroud approx. ½ the coral. There is a bit of skeleton exposed on the
edge that first exhibited the problem. The edge where this started is up
against some live rock (wasn’t touching when I placed the coral, but it
has since expanded and
now touches a bit – is that a problem???)
<I would not allow the extended tissues to touch the rock, as it will
become abraded in the extensions and contractions these animals perform
day to day>
Is there anything I should be doing other than wait and
watch?
Tank params:
52 g – 20 in. tall
Lighting: 2- 96w
PC actinics, 2- 175W 20000k MH
Ca/Alk: 405/2.9
Temp: 78 – 78.5
pH: 8.2
NO2/NO3 both 0
<If you have a coral of the genus 'Trachyphyllia' then the "sliming"
behavior is perfectly natural. These corals excrete a mucus coating to
trap floating particulates, and then ingest the entire coating. Make
sure you keep it well fed - M. Maddox> Re: Open Brain Sliming -
Brown Jelly Disease
Well, it turned out to be brown jelly. By
this afternoon there was very little living tissue left - probably 2/3
of the skeleton was fully exposed and what little live tissue was left
was breaking down and melting away.
<Ack! Remove that coral ASAP! It
may be possible to frag and save the healthy parts of the coral, but you
do NOT want the 'brown jelly' (a protozoan) spreading!>
Are any of
the following organisms at risk from loose "jelly" being blown around in
the tank (GSPs, mushrooms, hammer coral, trumpet coral, pearl bubble
coral)? If so, is there anything I can do to lessen the risk?
<All
LPS are at risk - remove the coral ASAP. If you don't have a QT tank,
just ditch the entire coral>
I've started running charcoal - don't
know if that will help, but I guess it couldn't hurt...
<Never a bad
thing, but it won't kill Protozoans. Make sure to remove it ASAP, and
keep a very close eye on your other LPS. In the meantime, set up a
quarantine tank if you don't already have one!>
Thanks,
-Brian
<Good luck - M. Maddox> Re: Open Brain sliming & Brown Jelly
Disease Follow-up
I took it out a few hours after my last post -
there was no healthy tissue left, but some of that stuff did get loose
in the tank, some when I was removing it and some due to my peppermint
shrimp slicing and dicing at it, so ...
<Too bad :\ Quarantine next
time!>
I found an article that suggested as a follow up to dealing
with an infection adding Vitamin C to the tank for 14 days according to
some instructions but the link to said instructions was dead - how do I
do this? How much and what form? Ground up C from the health food
store?? An additional recommendation was good flow to reduce the chances
of the
jelly being able to collect, which I have.
<Do not add
ascorbic acid directly (i.e. don't use human pills) as it will drop your
pH drastically. Instead, use a liquid\buffered supplement that can be
found on any online retailer's site>
Thanks, Brian.
<Anytime - M.
Maddox> Trachyphyllia geoffroyi with worms
Dear
Bob,
I recently received an open brain coral and noticed several
small holes in the skeleton. At night small worms emerge from these
holes. The coral has not expanded since it arrived a week ago. Are these
worms damaging to the coral?
<Possibly... particularly if their other
sources of foods have been removed, and/or their host substrate damaged
otherwise>
I have not seen holes in other LPS corals before and have
several very healthy ones.
<This happens... some specimens, same
species are very different>
I put the new coral in quarantine
awaiting your response.
I have added the flame angel as the last fish
in my 150 gallon system. The community is doing very well: blue damsel,
true percula clown, yellow Hawaiian tang, royal Gramma, sleeper goby, 3
neon gobies, flame angel, and 3 convicts. I plan (hope)
<Me too...
two nets... a friend helping...>
to remove one or two of the convicts
as they are now about 4 inches long. Both the show tank and refugium are
loaded with amphipods and copepods. I assume they provide a great deal
of natural food so I feed very little flake daily and live brine shrimp
once a week.
<Yes>
It has now been a year since I started into
this great hobby with the help of your book and website.
<Ah, glad to
help>
I guess that no matter how much macro algae and no matter how
"perfect" the water chemistry, filtration, and u/v are I still have to
clean the glass twice a week. Is this done so frequently in the crystal
clear tanks I see in restaurants, dealers, and city aquariums?
<Yes
my friend... and/or the folks stoop to using chemical filtrants, algae
controls... which are destructive to the livestock...
Howard
Decline of open brain coral
Dear Bob,
I purchased two open
brain corals that looked in perfect health. After about 5 days one a
nice lime green variety began to decline. Tissue recession, eroding
flesh etc. I noticed a small worm(?) looking organism coming out of a
whole in the coral. The organism has a feathery looking head
(barnacle)?
<More likely some sort of "feather duster worm"
(Sedentariate Polychaete, see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/feather.htm) and not likely involved in the
loss of health of your coral>
Could this be the reason for the
decline?
<Probably not>
Any help appreciated. All other corals
doing fine.
Thanks,
Mario
<Five days is too short a period of
time to "judge" whether these corals are just suffering from "moving
shock"... do check you alkalinity, biomineral concentrations... and
consider an exceptional dose of iodide. Otherwise I would wait, try a
small "wash feeding". Bob Fenner> Sudden decline of brain
corals
Dear Bob,
I recently e mailed you about a sudden
decline of a newly purchased open brain. Not only has it died but the
other one is doing the same thing and my candycanes which were in close
proximity to the first brain are dead. All smell foul I removed all and
did a 20% water change. So far the other corals fish etc. are fine.
Water parameters are fine.
What did you think ?
<Yikes... think
it's time to pay close attention to your water quality... DO mix up,
have more reserve synthetic water ready to go... keep an eye on
alkalinity, pH, biomineral content of your water... perhaps render a
dose of iodide. Do contact the supplier of the Open-Brain/Trachyphyllia
corals. Bob Fenner>
Mario Trachyphyllia geoffroyi in
Distress
Bob,
<Steven Pro this evening.>
We’ve had a
Trachyphyllia Geoffroyi for about 5 months now. Up until a couple of
weeks ago, it was doing great. Over the past couple of weeks, it’s been
expanding less and less. At this point, when the lights are on it’s very
shriveled up. Everything else in the tank is doing fine. We’ve been
putting phytoplankton in the tank, but haven’t been specifically feeding
the Trachyphyllia until the past couple of days. It’s been expanding its
feeders further at night, so we thought it was possibly just hungry.
We’ve been defrosting frozen reef cubes (a mixture of different shell
fish) and placing it right on the feeders, but it’s only taken the food
twice. The rest of the time, it eventually floats off or the shrimp come
and get it. We’ve also tried moving it up off the sand and closer to the
lights, but nothing seems to be helping. It’s reached the point where
are tangs and damsels are starting to pick at it. Is there something
else we could be doing for it?
<It sounds like a nutrition/feeding
problem. This coral does not eat phytoplankton nor will it like big
cubes of frozen foods. Try feeding defrosted, frozen Mysis shrimp and/or
plankton nightly. Also, you may want to soak this food while defrosting
in Selcon and Vita-Chem. Lastly, if this coral appears to die, leave it
in your tank for up to two months. I cannot go into details until
Anthony & I finish our article. -Steven Pro>
Thank so much for any
help you can provide.
Kathy Fielder Re: Trachyphyllia
geoffroyi in Distress
Did Anthony mention this to you? We are
keeping it kind of secret. I made a big discovery, anthocauli production
in a "dead" Trachyphyllia one month after "death". I have photos and we
worked up an article for publication. Every other source we could find
says this only occurs in the Fungiids. When we are finished, we will
send to you for review, editing, and possibly forwarding to your
contacts at FAMA.
<Sounds great... and Steve, you (all) don't "need"
my assistance in editing, forwarding to editors... am glad to help in
anyway I can though. Bob F, who hopes to see your materials also running
on our sites... AND you referring people to the articles, accumulated
FAQs there more.>
Thanks,
Steven Pro Red Open Brain being
eaten
Guys,
My reef tank is just shy of a year old. It is
loaded with small gray shrimp-like crustaceans. I call them "critters".
About three weeks ago some of these damned critters decided that my Red
Open Brain was an all night smorgasbord.
They have eaten the red
colored outer flesh down to the skeleton on a section that is now fully
3/8" wide. I am angry beyond words. I had an Eiblii Angel do the same
thing, but I simply removed him from the tank.
I can't remove
hundreds upon hundreds of critters. I even purchased a Mandarin Goby
about a month ago to help control the critters, but he can't eat all of
them.
The Red Open Brain, along with my three other LPS's, all eat 4
times per week (clam, squid, shrimp, krill).
Before I lose this
coral, what do I need to try?
<Time to "raise the bar". Will your
system, other livestock tolerate a small wrasse species? Please read
through www.WetWebMedia.com marine section re Pseudocheilinus choices:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/pseudocheilinus.htm
Bob Fenner>
NOTE: The brain is located on the substrate right in the middle of the
tank.
Sincerely,
Mark Schwartz Red Open Brain being eaten
Anthony, if the coral were dying for another reason, wouldn't the flesh
look necrotic in some way?
<not at all... if the coral was merely
suffering from attrition there would be no pathogenic species to create
a necrotic symptom>
My lighting is PC fluorescent.
<if that
means normal output... OK. Low light for most coral, but fine for the
brain if the tank is less than 20" deep>
I feed all four LPS corals
four times per week.
<excellent! Finely minced I hope (nothing
bigger than 1/4"? Else a tear is inevitable like with anemones)>
They
all eat every time. (One red brain, one green brain, one tongue, and one
Favia brain). Oh yeah, I also want a red lobo and a Favites brain. I
like brain corals :-) The Favia is well off by himself (10 inches to
the nearest coral -- the tongue, plus, the Favia is up on a rock, while
the brains and the tongue are on the
substrate).
<all good>
The
red brain is downstream from a tongue coral (6 inches separation). The
tongue has been in the tank the longest (10+ months). It has also
clearly grown (in width, anyway).
Chemical warfare from the tongue
against the red brain?
<possible... but not so severe as to be
primary. Bigger concerns would be a weak water change schedule (less
than 25% monthly), poor skimmer performance, lack of chemical media
(monthly carbon or better), aged lamps (over 6 months old)>
Sincerely, Mark Schwartz
<Anthony> Red Open Brain being
eaten? Not by amphipods
Mr. Fenner,
<Anthony Calfo with the
follow-up>
The tank also counts among its inhabitants a 6 line
wrasse. He has been there about 10 weeks. I have 13 fish total, all
quite small, all about 1.75 - 2 inches in length, except for the
Mandarin, who is maybe 3 inches, and two (Ptereleotris zebra) bar gobies
who are about 2.5 inches long. 7 damsels, 2 clowns, 3 gobies, 1 wrasse.
I have room for more.
<OK>
If you have a "critter eradicator" of
choice you would like to see me try, please let me know.
<A
Pseudochromis would work very well>
This coral has suffered
enough. It is a beautiful pink/red color, which is why it occupies the
center position in my tank. I'll be damned if I'm going to lose it to a
bunch of micro-shrimp.
<you are very mistaken here Mark. The shrimp
(amphipods) are not carnivorous.. they are merely scavenging the dead
and dying tissue... and they are of tremendous benefit to the tank.
People set up refugiums to culture as many of these micro-crustaceans as
possible, and there are businesses dedicated to farming and selling
these creatures to aquarists! Your brain is dying for another reason and
they are just doing their job. Common causes of death with red open
brains include excess light (metal halides over this VERY deep water
coral... sometimes found at 80')... also feeding with chunks of food
that are too large and cause an internal tear (krill, chunk shrimp,
etc)... or a complete lack of feeding (this coral is one of the most
food dependant requiring feeding of 3-5 times weekly, and some need
daily. Dude... consider these possibilities and please enjoy or ignore
the natural plankton that you have been blessed with. They are partly
food for your other corals at night!>
Thank you for your assistance.
Sincerely,
Mark Schwartz
<best regards, Anthony> Hurtin'
brain - 2/25/03
Hi Gang! <Hi there, Paul here>
I have an
open brain coral that has some algae on the edges of it's skeleton.
<What?> Can I scrub this off with a soft toothbrush? <Is there flesh
there?> The edges of the skeleton are bare, but the middle still
expands.<Ahhhhh. I see. Well, a lite brushing might serve well. Have you
checked our FAQs? See here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphyllidfaqs.htm and here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyphlliidae.htm Additionally look at
this interesting article as well:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/trachyreproart.htm> It looks a little
rough, but I think with some better care, it will be beautiful. <Feed
it! Mysids and krill (frozen is fine) and keep the water quality high
i.e. water changes> Thanks for any suggestions. <Thank you, and good
luck>
-Becky LPS alert 2 - 2/8/03
Thanks for the
info, Paul. <It is truly my pleasure, Scott> I just moved the new piece
onto the substrate before I checked the email! <Very glad to here that.
Abrasions equal doom for most of the Open Brain species> Your right I
should've done some homework on this type of coral, but, as you said-
it's to cool. < So hard when in store and you see something that is a
must have. Just don't want to have to walk away with the possibility of
it not being there tomorrow. Even with good intentions though, better to
give it the best chance it could have by doing a little research. I
applaud the fact that you did find us and seek our assistance. A first
step at research and responsibility.> I wasn't gonna buy anything, just
went to "check" out the store..& next thing I know I'm taking it outta
the store! <Totally understand, and by the way, that is how I ended
working here. One step at a time, next thing you know your knowledge is
being put to the test for all to see and either benefit from or
criticize. Very scary but an honor just the same! Keep researching and
learn all you can, Scott. I applaud your efforts> Thanks for the info!!
<Any time!>
Scott Hermit Shell fell inside of Open Brain coral
Anthony and or Crew,
<whassup>
Sorry about using the old e-mail,
but I could not get my browser to work for some reason.
<OK>
I
have just started to read "Book of Coral Propagation" and both this web
site, Bob's, and yours books have been very helpful but I have not found
anything about this particular problem. I just noticed after feeding
the fish tonight that a hermit shell is inside of my Rose Brain
(Trachyphyllia geoffroyi),
<Hmmm... minor correction: a Rose Brain is
an illegal Atlantic genus of Manicina... you can a regular Open Brain
Coral from Indo likely>
I sure hope the coral had a nice meal?
<agreed... but more like an appetizer>
The hermit crab probably fell
from the rock that is close by into the coral if I take my best
guess. My question is should I go ahead an gently try and remove the
shell
<yes please... it could hurt this LPS in time>
or should I
let the coral try and push it out?
<perhaps... try fresh figs>
I
know Anthony I left the door open on that last part LOL.
<took a soft
pass at it <G>>
I have also attached two pictures for your viewing
pleasure.
<thanks kindly... it is indeed the deepwater (as red) Open
Brain from Indonesia likely>
Thanks for your help. be Smiling
<will do... I'm gassy>
TTFN Sean
<best regards, Anthony>
Re: Hermit Shell inside of Rose Brain
Thanks Anthony for the
reply,
I put the gloves on and was able to remove it without any
problems.
<did the coral sing "Lone River"? Reminds me of a scene
from "Fletch".>
You can still tell where the shell was, but
everything looks closed up and on the mend.
<good to hear>
Sorry
about the wrong name on the open Brain coral.
<no worries at all...
you did use the correct scientific name which is all that matters!>
I
used Julian Sprung's book "Corals a quick reference Guide" to ID this
guy,
<understood... and Julian mentions it as a misnomer. Look on the
next page at the True Rose coral (Manicina)>
It look like a 97% match
from the pictures.
<agreed... it is simply a red T. geoffroyi>
The LFS recommended the book, nice coffee table picture book, with some
very abstract and general info on coral husbandry.
<correct... very
fine as a quick reference as it was intended. Do consider Eric
Bornemann's Aquarium Corals for a more in depth coverage of corals>
So a deep water Open Brain from Indonesia.
<yes... quite common.
Keep on san bottom only... and it needs to feed 3-5 times weekly on very
finely minced meats or it will die within a year or 2>
I can't seem
to find a match in Sprung's books.
<you were on the right page the
first time bud, for Trachyphyllia. See our coverage here at WetWebMedia
on Trachyphyllia too... I have a co-authored article posted here about
your coral budding asexually in an aquarium. Very cool>
Thanks for
the help in correctly IDing this guy. Everyone
who sees the tank
always ask what it is, and to think I have been telling them I have a
illegal coral.
<again... not correct bud. Your coral is beautiful,
very legal, and rather common. Retails for $30-50 across the country. It
is the Atlantic Manicina that is protected>
I guess there is more to
IDing a coral then a pretty picture. Will continue to search to
properly ID the LPS. Any more
clues would be great? Thanks again for
your help.
TTFN, Sean
<best regards, bud. Anthony>
Has He Lost His Brain?
For the last three days my open brain
coral hasn't seemed to be opening up very well. It seems like it has
started to reseed on one lobe of the coral.
Tonight when I got
home it had mostly white slime and a little brown slime oozing off
of it. The other 5 lobes seem to be opening up a little bit.
<Sounds like some form of infection. I wonder if it was brought
about by some injury. These corals are often nibbled on by fishes,
trampled on by crabs and shrimp, and sometimes have difficulty
removing sand that gets into them. All of these things can lead to
stress, and further decline>
Is there a way to help the coral
heal itself? Should I do any dips?
<Well, you could try a 1 to 3
minute freshwater dip>
Can feeding one lobe of a open brain feed
the coral as a whole?
<I think that it cannot hurt!>
I think
what happened is I didn't have it in enough circulation due to a
slight change in the rock structure. Ever since I moved the rock
around it wasn't happy. I have attached some pictures so you can see
the lobe. I hope you can help me save this coral.
<Well, moderate
water flow is desirable for these corals...Too much flow can damage
the tissue and interfere with their natural feeding processes. I'd
try to increase the feeding and see if this brings about a recovery.
Also, make sure that there are not tankmates "sampling" the
coral...Once injured, these corals are almost "irresistible" to
predators. Keep a close eye on your specimen. If you have further
concerns, let us know. I'm sure that Anthony might have some more
ideas if the coral does not seem to be improving. Good luck!>
Thanks, Ian Roff
<And thanks for stopping by, Ian! Regards, Scott
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