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FAQs on Aquatic Viral Diseases: Identification
Related Articles: Lymphocystis,
Environmental Disease, Clownfish
Disease,
Related FAQs: Viral
Diseases 1, Viral Diseases 2,
Aquatic Virology, & FAQs on
Aquatic Virus Disease: Causes/Etiology,
Cures/Medications, Case Histories:
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Lamarck Angel Disease, viral
7/14/2009
Hello,
Thanks for all the information you all provide. I have been using your
site for about 8 years.
<Ahh! And WWM is coming up on its 15th year anniversary... Got a
solicitation for red and gold stickers for the event>
I have a Lamarck Angel with fluffy white patches on her fins and mouth
area. She has been in my tank for about 1 week. Before going into the
main tank, (one week in q. tank) I noticed she did have a spot on her
dorsal fin. It looked like it was rubbed. Of coarse, once I added her to
main tank, it bloomed. There's a "glob" below her mouth and a few more
globs on her dorsal fin. I see smaller spots appearing on her pectoral
fins as well. My tank is a 155 bow, with quite a few butterflies and a
few other angels.
I have some cleaning inverts and about 180lbs of live rock. The tank has
been set-up for 5 years in the current location. I use a skimmer, and
some bagged media in the sump. Should I try to yank her out and dip her?
<Mmm, no... I wouldn't... This is likely the viral/stress syndrome
labeled Lymphocystis... You can read re:
http://wetwebmedia.com/lymphfaqs.htm
and the linked files above>
As long as the other fish are not stressed, this should not infect them,
right?
<Likely so>
She is eating everything I give her. Mysis, Formula 1&2, and blackworms,
flakes and some algae. My SG is kinda low at 1.020-1.021 ish,
<I'd raise this... to Near Seawater strength>
pH 8.3-8.4, trace nitrate <20ppm.
-Becky
<And supplement foods with a HUFA, vitamin prep... see WWM re... Bob
Fenner>
Blond Naso Growth: Lymphocystis 7/15/2009
First, thanks for all of your help. You guys are a great resource.
<Thank You.>
I just picked up a Blond Naso and it has a white cauliflower like growth on
its fin (see pic). It is in the quarantine tank right now. Please advise
what you think the growth is and how I should treat it. Thanks again!
<It looks to by Lymphocystis. You can read about it here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/viraldislymph.htm This should clear itself in
time..
Mike
<MikeV>
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Lymphocystis on six line
wrasse 5/17/09
Hello,
<Greetings, Christine here>
I have a Six Line Wrasse with a cauliflower looking growth between his
right eye and snout. It has been there for months, doing more research
shows it may be a Lymphocystis. I thought it was a tumor and just kept
an eye on it. My water parameters are Ammonia 0, Nitrates 10ppm,
Salinity 1.025. Nothing wrong with its tank mates (2 Kent clowns, Niger
Trigger, Zebra Moray, Orchid dotty back, Yellow Tank) From what I have
read it would typically go away after several weeks but it's been there
for months.
I now feel I should quarantine it, what is your take?
Thanks
Tom
<"Cauliflower-like" does sound like lymphocystis, and considering the
very slow progression of the growth that or another virus is likely.
Cancerous tumors and viral growths are physiologically quite similar in
some ways, so
without extensive testing you may never know, but that is ok. In either
case, there is no medication you could give to change things, so the
treatment path is the same: supportive care in the way of solid
nutrition, varied foods, vitamin supplements like Selcon and VitaChem,
and good water quality. Beta-glucan as a supplement in the food may be
helpful as well. I wouldn't bother taking the fish out into quarantine
as it offers no benefit: there's nothing you can do in a hospital tank
that you can't do in the display (as long as the other fish are leaving
him alone), and
stressing him by moving will be detrimental. Plus, if there is anything
contagious about the growth, all of your other fish have already been
exposed. Keep an eye on it and continue as usual.
--Christine>
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Lymphocystis? 3/9/09
Just need a quick clarification. Is this Lymphocystis or some sort of tumor?
<Almost assuredly Lymph> If it's a tumor, what treatment would you
suggest? <Mmm, none... just good care, feeding, time going by... see WWM
re> This is on the fin of a Flame Angel. Also thought the pic may help
others diagnose their own fish:) Thanks much!!! <Thank you Scott. Bob
Fenner>
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Another ich question... perhaps 04/14/2008 Hi
Crew, I know you don't get tired of these... an ich question. On
Friday I picked up a latticed butterfly and put it in a QT. All
appeared to be fine. Saturday it had 3 spots on its tail fin... and
I know it's ich. <... maybe> Since researching WWM I know they
are sensitive to chelated copper. I did do a fw dip with meth. blue
for 4 min... fish was extremely stressed. I had Cupramine on hand
but didn't have a Seachem test kit. I found one in town, went and
got it. Came back and dosed as directed. Tested the tank and got no
results. According to the FAQs on WWM this is not too uncommon.
Here's the problem. I have no way of testing this copper within the
48 hours as recommended... any suggestions on another way to test?
Also fish seems a little stressed, would it be prudent to filter the
copper out and try another method, formalin dips or 50% water
changes every other day for 2 weeks, to combat this? Thank you
Jennifer <I would hold off on treatment period... this may well
not be Ich/Cryptocaryon... are the spots located directly over the
fin rays? Possibly these are just reaction sites from rough
netting... A well-resolved picture would help... Bob Fenner>
Re: Another ich question... - 04/14/08 Hi Bob,
Update: Sunday I did a 50% water change (using main tank water) and
am currently using a PolyFilter to get the copper out. I would have
sent pics but they are too small to see in the pic, not to mention
the little bugger wouldn't sit still. 1 of the 3 spots is gone. The
spots are not on the fin rays they are on the very edge of the fin.
<Both telling... this is not Cryptocaryon> At what point do you
think I'll know for sure it's ich and what would be your
recommendation for treatment given that latticed butterflyfish are
copper sensitive? <... posted... In general, best to use
quinine.> Is Cupramine ok for this fish? <IF it had something
for which Copper is useful to treat...> I have researched this
disease to death so I am quite familiar with its' lifecycle and the
treatments. I just don't think this fish was doing well with the
Cupramine, stationary in the corner, heavy breathing. Since the
water change moving around more and normal respiration. <Thank
goodness> And FYI on the SeaChem test results.. according to
SeaChem if there is a lot # on the powder reagent then that is the
problem. <?!> They have revamped their test kits. Thank you
Bob Jennifer <And you Jen. BobF>
Re: Another ich question... - 04/15/08 Dear Bob and I
say dear because if you don't think this is ich I'll sing your
praises even more than I already do!! In all of the research that I
have done I have yet to see that the spots needed to be on the fin
rays but it does make sense. The 2 remaining spots are gone. She
hasn't scratched that I've seen but I try to stay out of the room to
keep her stress level down. <Good point, practice> I shall
continue with water changes to keep up water quality. She hasn't
eaten since I brought her home but seems interested in picking at
tank wall and floor. <What they do> I've put mysis shrimp in
the clam shell as suggested on WWM but nothing. I'll try other
tricks. <Fresh/er live rock...> Thank you again Bob for all of
your great advice!! Jen <Welcome! BobF>
Re: Another ich question... – 4/15/08 I wrestled with the
live rock idea because if it was ich meds would kill...well you know
the rest. However, she did eat some shrimp. By the way I did see
those 2 spots after all on her tail (had to press my face against
the glass), which now makes 48 hours. Thanks again, Bob!
Jennifer <Jen, can you send a well-resolved, close-up pic? BobF>
Re: Another ich question... 4/16/08 Bob, I don't know
"well resolved" these photos are but it's the best I could get.
It was stressing her out. The spots have gotten a little bigger.
You can see them at the very edge of her tail. I did another 50%
water change siphoning the bottom. Just out of curiosity if
quinine is so effective and is safe for sharks why isn't it the
cure most recommended overall? Thanks Bob. Jennifer
<Mmm... this is almost certainly NOT Cryptocaryon... on the
basis of placement, size, and the lack elsewhere on the body.
What it is... likely... is Lymphocystis... a
viral-environmental-stress complaint. NOT treatable by
"medicines" per se, but ameliorated via environmental
improvement, enhanced nutrition, alleviating/lowering stress
overall. Do know that this species of Butterfly is NOT easily
kept in captivity... Bob Fenner> |
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Re: Another ich question... 4/16/08 Bob, That is
great news!!! I've dealt with Lympho before.. you actually
helped me through it with my coral beauty. He's thriving in the
display tank. I'm sending another pic for better clarity. I
took my book (your book) into the LFS for reference and I was
positive this was a Latticed Butterflyfish. If not then what is
it? Thank you. Jennifer <... is a Raffle's... see here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/Goodchaetodon.htm This one is
dangerously thin. I would move it post haste to permanent
quarters... with plenty of live rock, other feeding. B>
Re: Another ich question... 4/17/08 She started
eating mysis shrimp yesterday.. couple times a day. I put a well
algae covered piece of live rock in with her today that she's
picked at some. Thanks for all of your help and reassurance!!
Jennifer <Ahh! Good news... and yes to there being a few
common names for this Chaetodon species. Cheers! BobF> | 
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Re: I looked everywhere! (But did you look here?) pt.3 2/22/07
Hi Graham, <Hello, I'm sorry for the delay, but... well, you know.>
So here's the update on the situation I got the qt out and got the baby
clowns in there. <Excellent!> I've been treating them with
Instant Ocean's Lifeguard. <<http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:lYSnEsx2m14J:www.tetra-fish.com/ENEWSROOM/printer_
friendly_press_release.asp%3FdocumentID%3D211+Instant+Ocean+Lifeguard&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
High-tech...>> <I don't have any experience with this product yet,
but the write-up looks good; non-antibacterial means good for the
nitrifying bacteria..> I guess it's new it is supposed to help treat
bacterial, fungal, viral, and parasitic diseases. My qt is a 30 g but I
have it filled only half way. <?> The QT parameters are as
follows pH 8.2, Ammonia: 0.25 ppm <!!! Water change now!>, Nitrite 0
ppm, Nitrate 0 ppm, and salinity: 1.023 ppt. <Would remind you
that with a QT, especially a half-full one with little/no filtration to
speak of, you will need to be performing large daily water changes
to take the place of filtration.> The display tank's parameters are
pH: 8.2, Ammonia 0 ppm, Nitrite 0 ppm, Nitrate 5.0 ppm, and salinity
1.022 ppt. I know the qt is bad, I'm planning on doing a partial water
change tomorrow. <See above.> I think part of the problem is
that I'm just using a sponge filter that I had let sit in my tank for 5
days and the fact that there's no live rock or sand in the qt and I
guess I've been overfeeding them a bit as well. <All true...>
I have noticed one of the other clowns has a similar white growth on the
tip of its tail and a third one has a white cyst-looking think on its
right pectoral fin that seems to be growing THROUGH his fin, it's
protruding slightly on both sides of it, it does look similar to the
other clowns' growths. <Would try FW-dips (Read WWM re) in
addition to the QT, daily.> <<And I'd amend the pH-adjusted FW
dips/baths with formalin and aeration>> I am beginning to think you
were correct and that it is that lymphocystis since they are on day four
of the medication (it's only supposed to be used for 5 days) and it
seems that they are all getting it. I went back to that LFS and
their siblings who are still at the store all seem to have this as well
I'm thinking it's just genetic. <Not genetic, no. Just
associated.> <<And like common models of such viral involvements,
environmentally/nutritionally mediated>> I did purchase a skunk
cleaner shrimp and acclimated him to the display tank so that once I do
return them to it maybe he can pick the growth off them, if they'll let
him. I did figure out a way to get pictures of them as they are
all very very feisty and eating heartily still. <Very common with
cystic infections...> I forgot my camcorder has the option to take
still frames of video, so I grabbed some video of them and got the shots
from that, it's not super clear but at least you can take a look at it
now. Oh and for diet I read on the saltwaterfish forum about diseases
and diet, hence the reason I thought a cleaner shrimp would help since
someone on there had a percula with a similar problem. <Can be
helpful. (Natural solution, no meds...)> So I have made them
homemade fish food from a recipe on the site. It's a mixture of
cuttlefish, clam, octopus, cooked mussel, scallop, and shrimp, ground up
with kelp, chard, fresh garlic, and soaked in Kent's Zoecon. <Very
good, will help them fight.> They've been on that and the flake food
and frozen Hikari Mysis shrimp since Sunday. OH and to make
matters worse I just saw today that my coral beauty seems to have an eye
injury, I wasn't able to get her out of the display tank and into the qt
with the clowns, I'm waiting on an order for one of those fish catcher
things. <Have had repeated success treating eyes with FW-dips, and
possible physical removal of parasite. You may find that the
cloudiness will slough off in the lower salinity.> Anyhow it looks
like she has two scratches across her cornea and she is acting quite
neurotic, she keeps swimming up and down in the same corner of the tank,
I'm not sure if it's bc of the injury or bc I finally got my light in
today. The new light has 260 watts whereas the old one did as well
however, the bulbs were about a year overdue for a change and it was
also only 30" whereas the new one is 48" and actually fits the entire
length of my tank. I have a picture of her cornea too, my bf thinks it
could be fungal too. So if it is how and why am I having such a fungus
problem??? :'( Thank you for all your help and input Graham, sorry
this is so long winded I have attached the pics I hope they help.
<Fungal... hmm. I wish I was a fish doctor. I need to see what I'm
dealing with, and even then I don't have one method of treatment for
each problem. I would recommend you treat for Lymph and consider Epsom
salt for the angel after the FW-dip.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/epsomfaqs.htm. I am assuming you have
read all the FAQs here about clowns and their associated problems, along
with how to setup a QT. I think you're on the right track here, but the
QT should be maintained with water changes more often than you suppose
is enough. Remember: measurable ammonia is too much! I'm looking back,
and noticing that I'm not that helpful here! I will CC this to Bob for
review. I am very fatigued, but felt a sense of obligation to answer
your Q's. I hope you find something useful here! -GrahamT> Shawn
<<I am in agreement with your stmt.s Graham. BobF>> | 
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Non-white Lymphocystis? Hi, all, My LFS has a nice looking
Potter's angel that is eating and behaving well. I'm considering it for
my 45G reef tank which has my Sebae plus some zoanthids and
corallimorphs. I realize it might pick on the zoanthids but I'm probably
going to pull those anyway. However, this angel has some swellings or
growths on its dorsal fin that, to my eye, look similar to Lymphocystis
except that it is not white; just the normal potter's angel coloration
(and perhaps not has rough surfaced as Lymphocystis; hard to tell). My
LFS owner, who I've known for years and consider as reliable as anyone
is who is trying to sell me something says he has seen this before and
thinks it is swelling possibly related to capture and will go down on
its own. <Likely so... if it lives... This is one of the least hardy
species of Centropyge for aquarium use...> Any idea what this is? I'm
only familiar with white Lymphocystis. Can it occurred colored?
<Rare... usually gray to white> Or are there similar viral infections
that leave the flesh colored? <Tumors of different sorts, etiologies,
yes> The fish would be quarantined but should I leave at the LFS
until this disappears on its own? <Not a good choice... for a 45
gallon system...> I hate to pass up an otherwise well adjusted
potter's angel, they seem pretty touchy. And I think the tank would make
a good home for it; plenty to graze on and lots of LR. <Will likely
do better in your care than the LFS's... Bob Fenner> From your FAQ if
it is Lymphocystis, it doesn't seem high risk but it doesn't look like
Lymphocystis to me. Thanks, Marc The Emperor's
New...Disease? Hello my name is Ryan. <Hey, Ryan! Scott F.
with you!> This is my second time writing with a question and I would
like to thank you for the quick response and great information on the
first. My question this time deals with a sick fish. The fish is an
Emperor angel and he has developed some white clumpy regions around his
face and also going on down his back. I read about Lymphocystis on your
website and that was my best diagnosis. The spots are larger than ick
and they almost have a pattern to them as they are only on the face and
a straight line down the back. I prepared to let it run its course but
some of the spots have gotten to the point where blood is showing around
them. He has also stopped eating and is hanging out around the return
flow from the filter. This makes me think that he may be having some
respiratory problems. <Lymphocystis generally clears up on it's own.
On the other hand, the fact that your fish appears to be listless,
hanging in front of the filter return seems to be indicative of
something more serious, IMO. In fact, the difficulty in breathing
suggests the possibility of Amyloodinium. The spots may be the damage
caused to the fish's tissue by the parasite. The tissue is essentially
being liquefied. I would take the risk and operate under the assumption
that this is the illness which you are dealing with. You must take quick
action to save the fish's life.> Should I quarantine and treat? If
so, what should I use? I hate to stress him out any more. I really need
some help. <The first thing that I would do is read up on
Amyloodinium to verify if this is what you're dealing with. Once you're
satisfied that this is the case, I'd opt to remove the affected fish to
a separate aquarium, and commence treatment with a commercial copper
sulphate preparation, following the instructions of the product exactly.
You may want to incorporate a freshwater drip prior to commencing the
copper treatment. If this is Amyloodinium, it may be necessary to remove
all fishes from the aquarium, and let the tank run fallow for about a
month. This disease is highly contagious, and often fatal if left
untreated. Monitor copper levels and observe the fish continuously
during this period of time, maintain high water quality, and good
aeration. Hopefully, with quick, decisive action, you'll beat this
disease!> Thank you so much for your help. Keep up the great website!
I have learned some much from your wonderful work. Thanks again! ~ Ryan
<We're always glad to help, Ryan. I hope that, if we're right about this
diagnosis, your fish makes a full recovery. Good luck! Regards, Scott
F.> The Emperor's New...Disease (Pt2) Ryan again. Thanks
again for the quick response. I did what you suggested and did a little
research on Amyloodinium. I sure hope that is not what I am dealing
with! <Me, too!> As of now I am a little unsure. Everything that I
read said that Amyloodinium looks like a rusty like powder covering the
fish's body and infected regions. <That's usually correct...I'm a bit
curious, though, about the apparent skin damage to the fish. I'm
convinced that we may be dealing with some type of parasite here. maybe
monogenetic trematodes, or, perhaps, even Microsporidean (a protozoan
infection). > This is not the case with my Emperor. He doesn't
display any rusty discolorations, only the white raised regions that are
about twice the size of ick spots. They do appear to be deep into the
skin and he does have some cloudiness in his eyes. I am not sure where
to go from here. Can Amyloodinium present itself in this way?
<Amyloodinium does cause cloudy eyes and labored breathing.> Also it
doesn't seem to be spreading to any of the other fish and from what I
have read Amyloodinium is highly contagious. <Correct!> I did a
water change and it seemed to help but my water quality has never been a
problem (pH: 8, NH3: 0, NO2: 0, NO3: 10). I attached a couple of
pictures. <Sorry, Ryan, I couldn't get them to open...> I don't
know if they are detailed enough or not but I need all the help I can
get. Thanks a lot for the expert advice. It is very much appreciated ~
Ryan <Well, Ryan, since we still don't have 100% ID on the illness
here, we may have to attempt some "broad and simple" treatments, at
least to get the fish on the road to recovery, without further stressing
it. I'd start with freshwater dips, removal to a separate tank, and use
of Methylene Blue, which is a very gentle (albeit not super effective)
treatment. Perhaps these methods will turn the tide for this fish. If,
however, more symptoms appear, or the symptoms are getting worse, I'd
make my best guess as to the cause (assuming that it's a parasitic
infection), and utilize copper sulphate, as per manufacturer's
instructions. With labored breathing, and other symptoms present, this
fish needs some help soon. Keep in touch- Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Re: Ocellaris Clown (disease) Hello Sirs. Thank you again for all
of the info. I'm writing to get your opinion on diagnosis/treatment of
my false percula. After searching the site, I found a post that seemed
pretty similar to my situation (as far as the symptoms). It goes:
Brooklynella, Microsporidium, or Lymphocystis? Hello, I recently
made the mistake of purchasing a large (3") Amphiprion ocellaris (common
clownfish) from my local fish store. They had just received the animal
when I purchased it, mistake number two. I added the clownfish to my
newly cycled reef tank (mistake number three, biggest one). Within 24
hours I noticed a white wart/cauliflower growth on the animal's right
side, in the white band area, just behind the gills. The clownfish will
not eat and appears to be stagnant although it is moving about somewhat.
The animal does not exhibit any other signs of infection, no small white
spots, glazed or popping eyes, scratching, fin rot, and the like. What
has infected my fish? I've narrowed it down to either Brooklynella,
Microsporidium, or Lymphocystis or ? ? ? What can I do to cure the fish
and save my reef tank. Should I remove the infected fish to prevent the
disease from spreading to the other tank mates (choc chip star, scooter
blenny, 2 turbo snails, 6 reef crabs)? Please advise, I want to save my
tank and the clown if possible. thanks, Dan Rose Thank you for
writing so well, including with such clarity and humility... Glad to
know that I'm not the only one who makes egregious errors in the
hobby... I would almost bet that what you are seeing is indeed the
Clown-attacking protozoan Brooklynella... And would in any case follow
these steps. Do take the fish out and treat it in a separate
"hospital" system... for it's sake, the use of the treatment "medicine",
and the safety from the same of the rest of your system. The likelihood
that the Brooklynella will affect your other livestock is minimal (there
are no other Clownfishes...)... Copper is of little use if indeed
this is Brooklynella, but formalin dips/baths are efficacious. Buy a
stock solution (my fave retail brand is Kordon, but any will do)...
generally a few drops per quart of pH adjusted (just with sodium
bicarbonate, baking soda is fine) freshwater... and move the fish from
the main tank into this solution for about ten minutes... either add an
airstone, occasionally splash the water around for aeration), move the
Clown to the bare-bottom (but still filtered, aerated.... with a hang
on, sponge, box filter...) hospital/quarantine system... Dump the
treatment water... repeat every day for three days... and stop there if
there is no further visible sign of the disease... If it re-shows or
persists, wait two days and resume the dip/baths... This will
work.... Bob Fenner Well I thought that the "wart/white cauliflower"
part definitely defined what has appeared on the very tip of the dorsal
fin of my fish. I've had this fish about a month. 2 weeks in QT and 2 in
main display. About 3 days after introduction into the main tank, I
noticed a white spot about the size/shape of a grain of table sea salt
(yum). Wasn't sure so I've been watching and reading in the meantime. In
the last 10 days the spot has maybe grown by 25-50%, but has not spread
to any other areas. It also has not spread to Pac Blue Tang. He (or she
I'd suppose) was eating normally until yesterday when he/she started
"sampling" then spitting out food (similar CMA recipe). Seems similar
enough to enclosed post to warrant an email. Would this be a
Brooklynella infection that would require the above recommended
treatment? <Mmm, the wart-like growth on the Clown could be lymph,
the spot on both fishes is likely crypt, tangs don't "get" Brooklynella>
Other info: 125 gal, 90# LR (more coming when the $$ does), 200# LS,
240W NO fluor. lighting @13 hrs/day (MH with more $$ again), 2x Rio 1100
plus return for circulation, TF 1000 skimmer, sump w/ 55W PC lit 'fuge,
airstone and active carbon. Today's parameters were pH-8.2, Ammonia-0,
Nitrate- <5 ppm, Alk- 4.8 meq/L, Ca-350 ppm, Temp 77, SG-1.025 Other
livestock: 1- Pacific Blue Tang, 1-sand sifting star, 12 bumblebee
snails(?), 6-turbos, 12-astrea, 1- hitchhiker clam as of yet un-ID'd,
misc hitchhiker polyps/sponges etc, and very soon 1- cleaner shrimp to
be determined <I would hasten the acquisition of the Cleaner
Shrimp/s... maybe get more than one> Hope this is enough/ not too
much info. Thank you for your help and dedication to helping the rest of
us become as informed as we can possibly be. <Perhaps add a Gobiosoma
Goby to the Cleaner list as well... otherwise nothing "stands out" as
real trouble/cause here. Bob Fenner> Re: Ocellaris Clown
(disease, Lymphocystis?) Just to clarify, the tang is clean. Only
the wart like growth on the clown's dorsal fin. Off now to find out
about lymph and get those cleaners. Thanks <Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/lymphfaqs.htm Bob Fenner>
What Are These Bumps on My Navarchus? >Hi, >>Greetings,
Marina here. >I bought a 3" Navarchus Angel from TMC around 6
months ago. Around a month ago, I noticed a small white bump under
his mouth. At first, I thought it was an infection from him
possibly getting an abrasion from darting in/out of the
rockwork. He was still eating fine and otherwise behaving normally,
so I thought that by keeping the tank conditions optimal the injury
would heal itself. >>I would do the same. >Well, it's been
over a month later and now the original white "bump" is bigger and
now there are even two more "bumps"! Now I'm worrying that it may
be some kind of disease that may require more hands-on
treatment. I've attached two photos of the fish for you to look
at. >>Excellent that you've presented the pics. If I am not way
off base here, I'd wager that it might be Lymphocystis, though I'd
like to get another opinion on that. >I really struggled with the
decision to put the fish in the main tank early, but because he was
not eating in the quarantine tank, and on the recommendation of TMC,
and since he was the only fish in the tank, I moved him to the main
tank after only one week of qt. >>For the LIFE of me I cannot
fathom why anyone would recommend shortening/eliminating
quarantine. Well, it is what it is at this point. Unfortunately,
I've discovered that Bob's "article" on Lymphocystis is
non-existent, so I'm linking you to the Lympho-faq page. Should it
be Lymphocystis, I can tell you it is a viral infection that, in my
own experience, has never been fatal. I liken it to warts, it's
ugly, we don't want it, but it won't kill us. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/lymphfaqs.htm This
is the link to the FAQ, and try a Google on the subject for more
information. Typical presentation is on the fins, though the body
is not unheard of by any means. To the best of my knowledge this is
not something that readily spreads or is highly infectious, and
because there is no treatment we find that it, just as mysteriously
as it began, corrects itself with time. >The only fish in the
tank are the angel and a Royal Gramma. The tank is mostly LPS and a
few mushrooms. It's a 90 gal tank, with 30 gal sump, Aqua-C EV120
skimmer, 3" sand bed, ~125lbs live rock. Water parameters are
within the normal accepted ranges. Any advice will be
appreciated. Thanks in advance. >>I've attached your pics so the
powers that be may have a look as well, but it really looks to be
Lympho to me. I do hope this helps in that it's something, but not
a terribly bad something, which is a good thing since it's something
you really can't do something about. Best of luck! (And don't skip
q/t anymore! 30 days, mate.) Marina | 

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What's That White Lump? (3/13/04) Hello, new to the hobby and
your site has been my lifeline, thank you. <Welcome to the club. This
site helps me daily too. Steve Allen today.> I recently purchased a
yellow tang. I believe it may have marine ich. Ich is described as
looking like salt grains however, the white matter that is on this fish
does not look at all similar to a grain of salt. The fish of concern
has a small, white, fleshy looking material that is on the edge of his
tail and dangles off. Hope that you may know what this is. <Sounds more
like Lymphocystis to me, which is basically viral fish warts. Search
this term on WWM for pix and info.> If it is ich, and I copper medicate
the tank, what will be the short and long term effects on the live rock,
and my BTA? <Death> Thank you again for helping so many of us hobbyists,
your site should be disseminated along with every marine item ever
sold. Keith Tallbe <Keith. Never put any medication in a display
tank. Copper is the worst--quickly lethal to all inverts. Always treat
in a hospital tank. You did not mention quarantine. You should
quarantine all new fish in a separate tank for 4 weeks before putting
them in the display. I can almost guarantee eventual disease, misery,
and sorrow to all who skip this vital step. Read more on WWM.>
Banggai Cardinal tumor or parasite Greetings! <Howdy> I'm
new to your web site and recently purchased "Reef Inverts...". I've been
impressed with both and want to get your 'take' on a problem that has
recently developed with a single, large, relatively old (at least 3
years) female Banggai that I've had for at least two years. This female
is in a 125 gal community tank with 3 other Banggai's and a variety of
other reef fishes that I've kept successfully, and disease-free for more
than four years. Over the past month, the female Banggai developed more
labored breathing and, subsequently developed a small, white, fleshy,
hornlike protuberance on its upper edge of the left operculum. <Good
observations, description> I, then, noticed more fleshy 'growths' of
this material under both opercula that caused them to 'flare out'
slightly and they were visible further down the fishes gullet. No other
fish (neither the other 3 Banggai's nor the other roughly 12 different
species of fish in my tank have shown any similar signs of trouble.
<Okay> I am familiar with the tendency of Banggai's to develop fleshy
sores on their lower mandibles due to battles with other individuals.
These always heal and the fish remains in good health. The problem
Banggai, although its behavior seems to be, otherwise, unaffected
appears to have developed some milkiness in its eyes, which I think may
be due to the internal growths in its head region. The growths are
strictly confined to its head. Do you think that this might be a tumor
due to age of the fish, or do you think I may have a parasite or fungal
problem? Your advise would be greatly appreciated! Smooth Sailin'!
Bryan <I would side with your conjecture re tumor, age here. Naught
to do... not "catching". Bob Fenner> -Lymph?- Kevin,
Thanks for writing back. <No prob> Just in case it is a case
issue....try this:
http://www.zoyzoy.com/aquarium/images/clownwithskinsores.jpg
<Yikes, those are some serious gashes> I have put ZERO copper in my
tank as I intend to have a reef at some point. <Well there's no way that
this fish has lymph, which usually appears on the fins as white blobs.
The picture is great, good detail. It looks like they are physical
wounds or some sort of sub-scale fungal infection. I'd hit it with a
general antibiotic so they don't get infected, other than that I don't
believe there's much you can do. -Kevin> Thanks, Jeff
Cotton like growth / Is this fungus? Howzit Guys: <Fine>
I really enjoy your site and I refer to it as my living marine
encyclopedia. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and all your
support. <Welcome> I have a 5" Heniochus that has developed a
white fuzzy cotton like translucent growth about 1/32" round on one of
her fins. All the rest of my fish are doing well (flame angel, yellow
tang & 2 clowns) in a 100 gallon tank with live rock, 40 gallon sump w/
refugium & Chaeto, 4" sand base and protein skimmer which has been
running almost 1 year. I would like to say it is a fungus because
that's what it looks like, but understand that fungus on live fish is
not that common or am I mistaken? <Mmm, may be a fungus... but
sounds like a case of Lymphocystis...> She eats primarily thawed
brine shrimp and will not take other food stuffs, <Not good
nutrition... but a good clue> is very active and has nice
colorations. I am worried about not providing all the nutrients to
sustain her good health that may also contribute to this condition
because brine shrimp has little nutritional value. <Bingo> I
tested my water parameters and the ammonia, nitrate & nitrite are all in
check. The salinity is about 1.020, water temp @ 74 degrees and the PH
8.3. She is the newest addition to my tank prior to a 2 week quarantine
and a 10 minute freshwater dip with Methylene blue. Please help me
identify the problem so I'm sure I know what I dealing with, suggest a
cure and provide me with some alternative foods that my Heni may take a
liking to. I have tried a mash of thawed scallops, vitamin flakes, Nori,
garlic, vitamins mixed with the thawed brine to no success. Mahalo
and Aloha, Les <Please see the pix and read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/viraldislymph.htm on to the Related
FAQs linked above... Bob Fenner> Re: Cotton like growth / Is this
fungus? Lymph on a Heni Aloha Robert: <Howdy> Thanks for
your prompt response. I checked your link and can not say with
certainty that it is Lymphocystis or not, because the pics on the site
are not clear enough. In fact, I did check this link and read about
Lymphocystis prior to emailing you. It does however resemble it. Well
let's assume that it is, what steps should I take to treat my Heni.
Also, please provide your thoughts on possible food stuffs that she may
like that would improve her diet. Mahalo, Lester <Posted on
WWM... use the search tool or indices to find, read. Bob Fenner>
Lymphocystis on A. ocellaris 4/15/05 Hi WWM Crew, First of
all thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experience on this
site and helping other Hobbyists around the globe. I have learned a
lot from the WWM site since I first discovered it 2 months ago
(shortly after I set up my first marine tank). <Thanks for the
kind words! Knowing that you and your pets have benefited makes this
a very satisfying job!> So far I have always be able to find
answers to my questions by reading the articles and FAQs. However
this time I think I need some additional help. I bought a Amphiprion
Ocellaris 5 days ago and acclimate it to the quarantine tank with a
quick fresh water dip. It looked well and started eating the same
day. However 3 days later I discovered a small round patch on its
tail, which has now grown 3 times bigger to about 3-4 MM and spread
to the underside of its body. It has not lost his appetite and feeds
eagerly, but is not as active as the first two days. It stays around
the same spot except when feeding. <This all sounds good. Do
keep in mind that FW dips less than about 5 minutes are probably
ineffective. A target of 10-15 minutes (or even longer), especially
for very tolerant fishes is ideal.> After some research and
reading through your site, I think it has Lymphocystis but the
lesions pictured in the following two links do not look the same,
and are different to those in the pictures I took. I am hoping that
you can confirm my thoughts, or otherwise point me to the right
direction.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/viraldislymph.htm
http://www.enaca.org/Health/DiseaseLibrary/LymphocystisDis.pdf
<The white "wart like" appearance of lymphocystis is very
distinctive as is the fact that it occurs almost exclusively on the
EDGES of the fins or mouth. It is not likely to be confused with
another kind of disease or lesion. Lymphocystis is also common to a
small number of species and very uncommon in most others. It is
unusual in clowns. If you are confident that it is lymphocystis, I
would not worry... it is rarely life threatening and goes away on
it's own. My guess is that your fish suffered an abrasion or similar
injury. Well fed specimens in good quality water usually heal well
and quickly.> Here are the tank parameters as of today: pH
8.2, Temperature 79F, Ammonia 0.005 mg/l (I was surprised to see
this as the tank has been running for over a month and I quarantined
two yellow gobies for 2 weeks right before the clownfish, both
yellow gobies are now doing well in my main tank), Nitrite not
detectable, Nitrate 20 mg/l. <Any measurable Ammonia is cause for
concern but before you start to worry, please verify your result
with another kit, preferably of another brand. (a friend or good LFS
should save you the expense of buying another). Although it probably
has little to do with your problem, I suggest that all marine
aquarists regularly test and maintain alkalinity, even in fish only
tanks.> I have cut back feeding and done 30% daily water change
for the past three days. This has brought down Ammonia level from
0.01 mg/l to the current level. Should I just keep doing this to
improve the water quality? Or should I take further actions? Your
help is very much appreciated. Best Regards, Damien Kwok, Hong Kong
<If you verify the results of your ammonia test kit (the change in
level suggest that it may be correct), then you need to address the
biological filtration problem. In the mean time, please make sure
you fish is getting enough food. It will need the energy to heal.
Water changes are a good idea, but make sure that the new water has
been aerated over night. Also, ammonia becomes more toxic at higher
pH, so I would suggest that you check the pH of both the tank and
new water immediately before the change. If the pH of the new water
is higher than the pH in the tank, it should be carefully adjust it
down (check your local fish store for "pH Down" or similar products)
so that it is the same as the tank. Best Regards. AdamC.> | 
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Lymphocystis on A. Ocellaris FOLLOW-UP 4/15/05 <Damien, I am
following up because I missed your pictures the first time I replied. I
still don't think that your fish has Lymphocystis, but that certainly
isn't a simple abrasion either. I am asking the other crew members to
take a look, but in the mean time, I am not going to alter my advice,
except to suggest that if it continues to get worse, I would move the
fish to a hospital tank for antibiotic treatment. AdamC.> Hi WWM
Crew, First of all thank you all for sharing your knowledge and
experience on this site and helping other Hobbyists around the globe. I
have learned a lot from the WWM site since I first discovered it 2
months ago (shortly after I set up my first marine tank). <Thanks
for the kind words! Knowing that you and your pets have benefited makes
this a very satisfying job!> So far I have always be able to find
answers to my questions by reading the articles and FAQs. However this
time I think I need some additional help. I bought a Amphiprion
Ocellaris 5 days ago and acclimate it to the quarantine tank with a
quick fresh water dip. It looked well and started eating the same day.
However 3 days later I discovered a small round patch on its tail, which
has now grown 3 times bigger to about 3-4 MM and spread to the underside
of its body. It has not lost his appetite and feeds eagerly, but is not
as active as the first two days. It stays around the same spot except
when feeding. <This all sounds good. Do keep in mind that FW dips
less than about 5 minutes are probably ineffective. A target of 10-15
minutes (or even longer), especially for very tolerant fishes is ideal.>
After some research and reading through your site, I think it has
Lymphocystis but the lesions pictured in the following two links do not
look the same, and are different to those in the pictures I took. I am
hoping that you can confirm my thoughts, or otherwise point me to the
right direction.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/viraldislymph.htm
http://www.enaca.org/Health/DiseaseLibrary/LymphocystisDis.pdf
<The white "wart like" appearance of lymphocystis is very distinctive as
is the fact that it occurs almost exclusively on the EDGES of the fins
or mouth. It is not likely to be confused with another kind of disease
or lesion. Lymphocystis is also common to a small number of species and
very uncommon in most others. It is unusual in clowns. If you are
confident that it is lymphocystis, I would not worry... it is rarely
life threatening and goes away on it's own. My guess is that your fish
suffered an abrasion or similar injury. Well fed specimens in good
quality water usually heal well and quickly.> Here are the tank
parameters as of today: Ph 8.2, Temperature 79F, Ammonia 0.005 mg/l
(I was surprised to see this as the tank has been running for over a
month and I quarantined two yellow gobies for 2 weeks right before the
clownfish, both yellow gobies are now doing well in my main tank),
Nitrite not detectable, Nitrate 20 mg/l <Any measurable Ammonia is cause
for concern but before you start to worry, please verify your result
with another kit, preferably of another brand. (a friend or good LFS
should save you the expense of buying another). Although it probably has
little to do with your problem, I suggest that all marine aquarists
regularly test and maintain alkalinity, even in fish only tanks.> I
have cut back feeding and done 30% daily water change for the past three
days. This has brought down Ammonia level from 0.01 mg/l to the current
level. Should I just keep doing this to improve the water quality? Or
should I take further actions? Your help is very much appreciated. Best
Regards, Damien Kwok, Hong Kong <If you verify the results of your
ammonia test kit (the change in level suggest that it may be correct),
then you need to address the biological filtration problem. In the mean
time, please make sure you fish is getting enough food. It will need the
energy to heal. Water changes are a good idea, but make sure that the
new water has been aerated over night. Also, ammonia becomes more toxic
at higher pH, so I would suggest that you check the pH of both the tank
and new water immediately before the change. If the pH of the new water
is higher than the pH in the tank, it should be carefully adjust it down
(check your local fish store for "ph Down" or similar products) so that
it is the same as the tank. Best Regards. AdamC.> |
Another Follow-up, Remarks to the Lymphocystic Clown <snip> The
reason I am writing everyone is because I also completely missed the
attached photos when I replied and they are scary! The person described
an Ocellaris with a white patch on it's tail that spread a bit.
They thought it was lymphocystis. They sounded pretty newbie with a
young tank and reported a trace amount of ammonia. The fish was acting
and eating normally. I replied that I doubted lymphocystis because of
the species and the location of the lesion and made suggestions for
proper water changes. It sounded more like the fish got banged up
a bit, so I also suggested that abrasions usually heal fine on their own
with good food and improved water quality. However, when I did go
back and look at the pics.... yikes! Whatever it is sure doesn't look
like lymphocystis, although it is understandable how they came to that
conclusion. Whatever it is is pretty ugly looking, but doesn't look like
anything I have ever seen before except for some pics that one of the
crew (Jeni I think) shared with us of a puffer condition where spreading
patches of the skin turns grayish until the fish perishes. If anyone
is inclined to take a look, the original message is in the "emails with
images" folder. I will be curious if anyone has any insight. Thanks!
AdamC <Have looked at image, text... does look like some sort of
tumorous growth... diag/prognosis, about the same as lymph... BobF>
<<Adam, I've answered some queries quite similar to this, and in my
research I did find that, while very uncommon, Lymphocystis can indeed
occur on the body like what is pictured. In my own opinion many, if not
MOST, instances of disease are more due to water quality, nutrition, and
basic husbandry issues than anything else. Lympho is no different in
this respect. Marina>> Lymphocystis on A. ocellaris Part 3 4/17/05
Hi Adam, Thank you for the response. Unfortunately my clownfish's
condition deteriorated rapidly, stopped eating and moving around, and
finally passed away yesterday. <Sorry to hear.> Looking back if I
did not diagnose the illness as Lymphocystis and treated with
antibiotics right away, it might have made the difference. Anyway I
guess this is part of the experience and how we learn. <I polled the
Crew for input about your clownfish, and got a few replies. One
indicated that there are occasions when lymphocystis does occur as a
body lesion. Another agreed it probably was not lymphocystis, but has
seen similar lesions which eventually went away without intervention.>
I hope someone can identify the true cause of the lesions in the picture
and recommend the appropriate actions. Not only I can learn the lesson
and know how to deal with it next time, the information can be useful
for other hobbyists as well. Best Regards, Damien Kwok <For all
of the reasons you listed, I wish I had a more definitive answer. In the
mean time, I would suggest that you don't add any new fish for a couple
of weeks, just in case this was caused by a communicable disease. Best
Regards. AdamC.> |
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