Columbian Sharks in need of help! 11/16/07 Hi, my name is
Francis. <Hello Francis,> I have been reading through your
site and I am quite angry at the pet store where I bought the
Columbian Sharks. I bought 3 of them almost a year ago as they are
beautiful sharks. The guy at the pet store told me I needed Aquarium
salt in the tank to keep them alive, after reading your site and the
conditions they need I'm not happy with the pet store as they didn't
inform me about the fact that when they start growing into adulthood
they need to be in a marine tank and that they can grow up to 24" in
length, but I don't care how big they can grow I just wanted to know
that when I bought them I would have all the right conditions to
keep them healthy in their new home. <Colombian sharks (Sciades
seemanni) really don't need a marine aquarium. Half-strength
seawater, around SG 1.010, is more than adequate. Space, water
quality, carbonate hardness, and plenty pf water current seem to be
more important. In the wild these fish migrate in and out of the
estuary and far upstream into freshwater. They are not as completely
marine when mature as some of the other Ariidae such as the
Gafftopsail catfish Bagre marinus. But being migratory, they need to
swim, and you want to have masses of strong pumps to provide plenty
of exercise. The powerheads used in marine tanks are ideal, but
otherwise install filters with around 10 times the volume of the
tank in turnover per hour.> This being from a 'reputable' big
name pet store who claim to train their employees on everything they
need to know about the fish that they are selling so they can help
the customer choose the right fish for the conditions of the tank
that they are going to be living in. <Sadly an all too common
experience.> Everything was going fine until about 2 months ago l
lost one of the sharks and then the remaining 2 started developing
almost like scars on their skin both top and bottom. I have been
searching since then to find out if its a disease or not but none of
the diseases I read describe these particular marks on the fish. I
have added 2 pictures I took to see if maybe one of you guys or
someone you know have come across a symptom like this. One shows the
under side of the sharks and the other shows the sharks from the
side. <I have never seen anything like this. At a guess, I'd
suggest a secondary infection caused by improper water chemistry.
Raising the salinity and using an antibiotic or antibacterial would
be my recommendation.> I really like these fish and do not want
them to die so I'll be going out to buy them a new tank which I can
setup as a marine tank. They are currently in a 55 gallon tank with
3 cichlids, 2 pictus catfish one spotted and one striped. <Hmm...
while some cichlids are salt-tolerant, most Pimelodidae are not, and
P. pictus certainly isn't. So, the way forward here would definitely
be to re-home some/all of these fish and then raise the salinity of
the tank to at least SG 1.005, and ideally 1.010, over the next few
weeks (to give the bacteria time to adjust). If you let me know the
cichlids, I can tell you if they're salt tolerant or not.> I
thought at first that it might be the cichlids or the other catfish
attacking the sharks but I setup a camera linked to my computer to
record the activity in the tank 24 hours a day for the past week but
neither the cichlids or the catfish bother the sharks. <Most
animals tend to leave Colombian sharks alone. They make a clicking
noise when alarmed, and that is off-putting to a lot of fish.>
Anyway sorry for the long winded question but any help at all to
save these guys and find out what's wrong with them would be greatly
appreciated! <Can you tell me something about the water chemistry
at the moment?> Thanks Francis <Cheers, Neale> |
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Colombian shark - emergency treatment – 09/28/07
I was just in
contact with you about a filtration issue in a 75-gallon freshwater
tank.
Regardless, inside are 2 8-inch Colombian sharks, for whom I am
preparing a brackish tank all their own. The tank is not ready at all,
and a very sudden illness has floored one of my sharks...
<BioSpira
(bacteria from the LFS fridge if you are in the USA) or a filter
(alternatively only some filter material) from another brackish tank can
be used to instantly cycle the tank.>
I'm scared to death, as it all
happened so fast. 2 days ago I noticed a notch out of his tail fin, like
a small nip, with no white ridge, and a clean white bare spot on his
head, like he was rubbing against something. He was swimming very
sluggishly, so I turned off the light and fed a bit of shrimp (a fave
food), which he totally ignored. The next morning he appeared to have a
SERIOUS tail rot affliction, so I set up my 10-gallon hospital tank and
purchased Maracyn-Two in preparation. Sure enough, this morning he was
gasping for air at the bottom
of the tank, with a red-ringed white
lump on the underside of his head (next to his outer whiskers), frayed
tail fin, and a semi-bloated belly. During the middle of the night, he
woke me up splashing around, and he rammed full-force into the tank
hood... I was horrified. I prepared the H-tank and sat up for a couple
of hours with him, but he barely moved - just gasping for air with the
occasional gill convulsion.
I'm almost sure it's a bacterial
infection.
<I agree.>
But as I treat him with Maracyn-Two, I
would like to know if you have heard anything similar.
<Sure. Such
can happen to all fishes in the wrong environment. First, their immune
system declines, then bacterial infections occur.>
I have also added
5 teaspoons of marine salt to the hospital tank, in hopes to comfort
him.
<Add more, I’d start with 3 grams per litre.>
I have
half-dosed him on the medication for now as not to shock him.
<I’d
dose antibiotics as recommended or use them as daily 1-2 hour baths at
5-10 times the concentration.>
Thank you for any advice you may be
able to give me.
<Sorry to hear about you catfish. Does not sound
good. Hope he pulls through, but your description sounds like a severe
infection. At least you have increased the salinity, set up a hospital
tank and used antibiotics. That is more than most people would have
done. I’d increase salinity further and dose antibiotics as
recommended.>
Tank parameters: 75 gal; 20 ppm nitrates (I do weekly
50% water changes, it fluctuates between 10 and 20); 0 ammonia/trite;
very hard, very alkaline well water; 78 degrees. The hospital tank
contains 30% of that tank water plus 70% new water.
~Meech
PS - I
have a side question. What are your opinions on these two products:
Melafix and Wonder Shell? I have heard weird, differing opinions on
these and would like sound judgment (I do not use either).
<Melafix
basically is oil of the tea tree. Some swear on it, but I would not rely
on it in severe cases. There is a medicated version Wonder Shell
containing malachite green, that is probably the only active ingredient.
The rest is different salts that may slightly harden up the water. No
real wonder in my opinion. Good luck. Marco.>
ID Shark
Question, hlth. 5/25/07
Hi there. I am really
hoping that you can help me. I have an ID shark, who is over 14 inches
long.
<A good size for this species>
I know that he’s gone
blind, which I understand is common with these fish.
<Mmm, no... not
if kept in proper conditions...>
However, he appears to be able to
see shadows, and will throw many a fit in the tank (We have a 90
gallon) and knock things around. Tonight however, he threw such a fit,
and smashed into the heater, and broke it. He has a cut just before
his eyeball (it actually looks like its protruding outwards now) and his
whole body is very scraped up. My husband said that after this
happened, he freaked out so bad, and smashed himself against a
rock. He now also has a ‘dent’ on the top of his head, to the side of
his eye. He now cannot swim, and is just laying at the bottom of the
tank, either upside down, or on his side. He cannot ‘right’ himself at
all…… the other fish have picked up on his weakness, and are now
starting to pick at his wounds. I don’t know what to do. Is he
‘done’??
<Perhaps, if you don't move this specimen elsewhere>
I don’t want the other fish to keep stressing him out, but I also
don’t know ‘how’ of if we should put him out of his misery. Being so
large and all. My husband actually held him for a while, above the
air bubbles to get some extra oxygen to him, but this didn’t
help either. He does try to swim at times, but then just ends up in
a corner somewhere upside down or side ways. Can you give me any advice
on this?
<You have read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ariidcats.htm
The linked files
above?>
I know with previous ID sharks that I had, I know that when
their time was up, they started to change color, or lose their blackness
and turn white. He is still black. But we are wondering if its
possible that he’s damaged his brain somehow, and now is just
‘nothing’???? Because if he is, then I cannot see keeping him alive as
his quality of life would be no good. (Yeah, I really do care about all
my fish and care about how they ‘feel’!!)
<Good... so you have this
fish in totally marine conditions, no nitrogenous anomalies...>
So we don’t know what to do here, and if putting him out of his
misery is the only option, how could I go about doing so?
<Posted>
I cannot put him into a large net to keep the other fish away from him,
because I know that if he starts to come around, he will freak even more
if he is constricted like that, and it could end up hurting him more.
Please email me back with your ideas/views. Thank you so very much in
advance.
Brenda Johnson
<Read on my friend, read on. Bob Fenner>
Ichy Columbian Sharks 1/29/07
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I have
2 Colombian sharks, 3 bala sharks, 3 rainbow sharks and a black ghost
knife in a 125 gallon tank. My problem is that I believe that my
Colombians have contracted ich from the pet store. (I've only had them
1 day). How can treat them for ich? Should I isolate them in a
separate tank to treat? Will the medicine hurt the other brother and
sisters?
<This is why you should ALWAYS quarantine your fish before
adding them to your main tank. Now you have opened a big can of
worms. The parasite could infect all your fish & the entire tank needs
to be treated. DO NOT USE MEDS! the Columbian sharks & the BGK have no
scales & could die from most ich meds. Raise the temp to 86 & add 1tbsp
salt/5g. Do huge (80%) water changes, every other day, for the next 3
weeks, while thoroughly cleaning the gravel. Be sure to replace the
salt you remove. Treat the tank with Melafix for any secondary
infection the parasite may cause. Add a few airstones, to increase
O2. Another problem you have here, is those Columbian sharks are
brackish water fish that prefer marine conditions as adults. They can
also grow to 18". Good luck. ~PP>
Arius seemanni
dis./injury, beh. 8/1/06
Hey Guys,
I think
your web site is great and I have learned a lot from you guys. Anyway I
have a Arius seemanni he is about 6.5in and mostly just swims around the
top of my tank.
<Is a social species... should be kept in a small
grouping>
The other day he jumped out I was luckily there and put
him back into the tank, he immediately started swimming like nothing
happened. I did notice that his eyes where kind of foggy and he seemed
to bump into stuff more often.
<Likely "rubbed" its eyes... damaging
them>
But as of today 6/28 his eyes look good and I was told he had
an infection. What do you think?
<I would do nothing in the way of
chemical additions here... Likely will self-cure...>
Also he is in
full saltwater and all the water parameters are perfect. He has no
other catfish friends and I was wondering if he would be happy and
school with coral catfish?
<Mmm, no... Birds/catfishes of a
feather/fin flock/school together... Better to have others of the same
species... even if they start off considerably smaller in size>
If
so how many should I get?
thank you for your and knowledge
Joe
<Bob Fenner>
Fin trouble? Ariid Catfish dis., env.
7/28/06
Hello!
<<Greetings, Lou. Tom>>
I have a black
tipped shark whose dorsal fin is getting very ragged.
<<Not playing
"semantic gymnastics" here, Lou, but I'm assuming this is a Black Fin
Shark (Columbian Cat Shark) rather than a Black Tip Shark, which is
strictly a saltwater beast that grows to 10 feet in length. If I'm in
error, do keep your hands out of the tank! :)>>
He behaves normally
and eats VERY well. He just looks like he's been in a battle!
<<Operating off of my original premise, this is a brackish water fish
that, ultimately, requires marine conditions in adulthood. You don't
mention the sizes of your fish or of their tank, which might lend a
little more insight but, unless you're already aware, these "puppies"
get big! Since they, almost invariably, get along very well with their
own kind, I don't see fighting among each other as the cause here unless
stress is a factor.>>
We noticed it when we returned from a two week
vacation and it seems to be getting worse. Any ideas?
<<Did anyone
"fish-sit" for you during your vacation? Frequently, non-fishkeepers
make boo-boos while tending someone else's pets that can lead to a
variety of problems.>>
Our water is testing fine.
<<"Fine" isn't a lot to go on but I'll take that to mean
ammonia/nitrites are at 0 and nitrates are below 20. Anything other than
this isn't fine.>>
He does have a buddy that's another black-tip,
could the other fish have injured him?
<<Again, I don't see this as
likely outside of very extenuating circumstances. If you're currently
adding salt to the tank, you might try upping the dosage a bit as well
as increasing the temperature slightly. If you aren't adding salt,
please start. Not only will this have a therapeutic effect but your fish
absolutely require it to survive.>>
They are always together.
<<These fish enjoy each other's company, certainly.>>
You have been
a big help in the past! Thank you in advance for any help with this!
<<Glad to hear we've been able to help before, Lou, and, hopefully, I've
given you some things to look at now.>>
Lou
<<Good luck. Tom>>
Re: Fin trouble? Ariid Catfish dis., env. 7/28/06
Thanks, Tom!
<<Any time, Lou!>>
Yes, they are black fin sharks,
sorry for the goof.
<<Not that big of a "goof", Lou. Just got back
from my favorite fish store and even they had these listed as
Black-tipped Sharks. My first reaction was, "Uh-oh!", until I saw the
fish and recognized them for what they were. Whew!>>
The person who
"fish-sat" was experienced, so our tanks were well-monitored. I will
try adding a bit more salt.
<<Good. At this stage you
should be looking at a salinity level in the range of 1.011-1.017.
Probably best to keep it on the low side to begin with and gradually
increase it.>>
The temperature is between 80-82. Should it be
higher or is that okay?
<<This is fine for now, given the
circumstances. I'd back off on this after a bit of time, though. The
warmer temperatures will either work, or not, in helping the fin to
regenerate. If after about a week, you don't see white markings around
the damaged areas that indicate healing is taking place, "s l o w l y"
lower the temperature back to the 76-78 degree range.>>
It certainly
doesn't seem to bother the shark, but he doesn't look as good as he used
to!
<<Gorgeous animals at the juvenile stage. Will fade out as they
become adults, though. Kind of a shame, really. Still, they are
impressive.>>
The sharks are about 7 inches and are in a 55-gallon
for now. (We plan to move them to a much bigger one after some
remodeling is
finished.)
<<You're my hero! I've yet
to read a post from anyone who had a clue as to how to house/care for
these fish. Perhaps I'm not reading enough but I prefer to think I was
fortunate to "snag" your post. Well done!>>
Thanks again!
Lou
<<We'll be here should the need arise. Keep up the good work. Tom>>
Treating an Open Wound on a BW Fish 7/12/06
<Hi, Pufferpunk
here>
Thanks for such a wonderful website.
<You're welcome!>
I have an 11 inch Colombian cat shark in a 55 gallon tank.
<Hmmm...
sounds a little tight.>
He's been doing pretty well but apparently
he bumped his side against a rock and now has a deep wound where his fin
connects with his body.
<Not enough swimming room for him in there.>
He usually heals quite quickly but it has been a few days now and there
is no sign of improvement. I thought the Scat might have been picking
at the wound so I put the scat in a breeding trap to give the shark a
chance to heal.
<Awww, poor scat!>
This was two days ago and
nothing yet. I have been doing water changes regularly and have put
Epsom salt (1Tbs/10gal) to aid the healing process to no avail. Is there
anything else I can do to help the wound heal promptly? Thanks again for
your assistance.
<I would add Melafix to the tank. Be sure to keep
the water pristine (lots of large water changes). At that size, your
cat should be in saltwater by now. If not already in high-end brackish
water, his immune system is compromised, causing slow healing. He is
also a schooling fish & requires a much larger tank. ~PP>
Re:
Wounded Fish in BW Tank 7/14/06
Hi there!
<Hi,
Pufferpunk again>
I just made a 3/4 water change and I'll watch him
closely before medicating.
<I'd add Melafix now.>
I understand
this is a small tank for the cat shark but at this point I can't afford
the bigger tank.
<Did you do any research on this species before
buying/?
I have a very low fish population in the hope that this
would help. Also, I have 2 Aquaclear 70 filters, which I have a question
about. I am using both the carbon and ammonia control inserts. The
Aquaclear package reads that the inserts are only for fresh water
aquariums, is this true? If so, then what sort of filtration system
should I be using for this brackish tank?
<Forget about using the
carbon or ammonia removers. Water changes are the best ammonia
removers. Carbon isn't necessary on FW tanks, unless removing meds with
it. Those 2 filters should suffice, as long as the sponges are rinsed
weekly, with tank water. I usually add an Eheim canister filter to
tanks over 50g. I like to stack my AC filters thus: sponge on bottom
(mechanical filtration), 1" filter floss in middle (to "polish" water
crystal clear) & BioMax on top (for biological filtration--rinsed about
1x/month). AC got wind of this method & started selling BioMax with
their filters. If you can get the SG up to around 1.018 or higher, add
a protein skimmer. You won't believe the gunk it pulls out! ~PP>
Thanks again for your assistance
Columbian sharks... in gen. 6/5/06
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
So
we have read the many postings that you have about protozoa infections
but we are not understanding some of it or we are not doing something
right. We have 4 (previously 5) Columbian sharks in a 75 gal. tank.
<Since they can grow up to 18" each, you may need to upgrade to a much
larger tank.>
2 are about 5 in. and 2 are 4in. With them we have 10
guppies that we bread and raised,
<Will eventually be eaten by the
sharks>
a Pleco and 1 (previously 2) Chinese algae eaters. We
noticed what looked like a spider web on 1 shark and 2 days later he
died and was covered in white web looking stuff. Went to pet store and
found a picture of protozoan symptoms-put AP-Plus Cure -Ick in as
directed-3 days later they started eating again and seemed all better.
Then about 1 wk later they stopped eating again and got lethargic and
were digging their noses in the rocks again-1 of the Chinese algae
eaters died and 2 guppies. We started putting the medicine in again 3
days ago but they are not responding this time-1 shark even has slime on
him that just showed up today AFTER 3 days of treatment. Please help -
what do we do??? Do we need to super clean out the whole tank and
replace the gravel? We fear that will over stress them and they may die
from that??? The little fish seem to be OK except for the 2 that died 2
days ago. Our pet stores don't have any other meds.
<Columbian sharks are brackish water fish that require marine conditions
as adults. I'm afraid as long as you are keeping them in freshwater,
their immune systems will be compromised, causing disease & short
lifespans. I suggest putting them into the proper conditions for
healthier, long lived fish. substrate should be crushed coral or
aragonite, to keep the pH around a steady 8. Your FW fish will not
appreciate BW conditions, especially the Pleco. ~PP>
Ich and Black fin sharks - 5/17/2006
Hi,
<<Hi,
Jennifer. Tom here.>>
I have a problem that I can't seem to resolve
and I'm not sure if it too late for my fish. I have a 10g tank with 2
black fin sharks (about 2-3 inches), 2 platies, and 1 Pleco. I had 3 BF
sharks, but one died (stress I think..) Also, had 3 platies but 1 died.
(I think from being attacked by the other fish because one day 1 of it's
side fins was half gone and it's tail fin was pretty beat up
looking. Anyhow, I noticed some bubble looking spots on the 2 BF sharks
and went out and purchased an Ich treatment. The guy at the fish store
said they use it all the time and it works fast. So I followed the 3
day process, and they seemed to look a little better. I skipped one day
as directed and am repeating the process. This is day three and they
look way worse than before. I also haven't seen them eating and one
looks as though it's mouth is fuzzy.
<<Hazarding an
educated guess, Jennifer, the white spots you first noticed were the
beginning stages of Columnaris. I wouldn't discount Ich, of course, but
the "fuzzy" growth around the fish's mouth is Columnaris. I'd recommend
you begin treating with Melafix immediately. Once this bacteria affects
the organs of the fish, antibiotic treatment is in order and you're not
set up for that.>>
None of the other fish are affected by the Ich,
just the sharks. Could this be something else? Are my sharks pretty
much goners and if so should I put them out of their misery? I have no
idea what to do.
<<Treat with Melafix and, if this takes care of the
problem, find a new home for your sharks. In the proper environment and
correct conditions, these fish grow to be VERY large. They're also not
"true" FW fish but, rather, will require marine conditions as adults.
Your Pleco is going to need a larger tank than what you have now, as
well. Depending on the variety of Pleco you have, these, too, can grow
quite large. Much to learn before any more purchases, Jennifer. This
site is the best place to start.>>
Jennifer
<<Tom>>
Re: Ich and Black fin sharks 5/18/06
<<Tom>>
Thanks,
I'll try the Melafix. Yesterday I did a water change again and they
seem to be back to eating like they were before (chasing off the Platies
and skimming the water surface aggressively for food). Hopefully this
is a good sign.
<<Yes, it is, for now. This will change as the fish
mature, though, as they will tend to stay toward the bottom of the
tank.>>
<Umm... this "good time" will not last... this catfish is a
brackish to marine species... will die soon unless moved to more
suitable conditions. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/ariidcats.htm
and the linked files above>
I know the Sharks are going to get rather large as well as the Pleco and
will purchase a much larger tank in the future. They are living in a
brackish tank right now, I'll have to look into marine tanks and read up
on the care of those.
<Oh! Sorry re... thought these
were in freshwater... Loricariids/Plecos don't like/tolerate much
salt... Bob Fenner>
<<Sorry that you seem to be getting
"double-teamed", Jennifer. Both Bob and I assumed your fish were in FW
and, of course, he's right about the Pleco not tolerating "salty"
conditions for long. (I apologize for the apparent conflict in
information.)
By way of explanation, we receive a number of
questions regarding this fish - the Shark, specifically - and,
admittedly, it remains to be one of my "pet peeves" among those who
sell/distribute these to "unknowing" consumers. In the end, however, it
is we, the aquarists, who need to research and be informed prior to
purchasing. It sounds like you're aware already of what will need to be
done, which is great.
Hope this hasn't proved too confusing for you
and we look forward to hearing from you in the future. Tom>>
Re: Ich and Black fin sharks - 5/18/2006
Thanks,
I'll try the Melafix. Yesterday I did a water change again and they
seem to be back to eating like they were before (chasing off the Platies
and skimming the water surface aggressively for food). Hopefully this
is a good sign.
<Umm... this "good time" will not last... this
catfish is a brackish to marine species... will die soon unless moved to
more suitable conditions. Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/ariidcats.htm
and the linked files above>
I know the Sharks are going to get rather large as well as the Pleco and
will purchase a much larger tank in the future. They are living in a
brackish tank right now, I'll have to look into marine tanks and read up
on the care of those.
<Oh! Sorry re... thought these
were in freshwater... Loricariids/Plecos don't like/tolerate much
salt... Bob Fenner>
Injured Silvertip
Hi there~
I have a baffling mystery. This evening when I was feeding my fish I
noticed my [smaller] Silvertip shark had a red dorsal fin. Upon closer
view I can clearly see it's filled with blood. None of the other fish
were picking with him and he doesn't appear to have any bites out of any
of his (I assume a he) fins. This is so disheartening! I removed him
from the tank he was in (all the fish in there are semi-aggressive and I
didn't want them to start messing with him) and put him in the smaller
community tank. There is some swelling on his body around the base of
the fin and no blood is oozing out. I can't imagine what happened. None
of the rocks are out of place and he hasn't been swimming erratically
and bumping into anything. The fin is almost completely upright but I
can't help the feeling that it might be broken somehow. He is doing his
best to swim and stay upright but I think he is getting tired. He will
swim then ride the current and then swim some more. I don't know if he's
going to make it but I'd like to try. Two out of six total Silvertips
remain. I've had a hard time with these guys. The only thing I have at
the moment to treat him with is Bio Coat. I put that in the water of the
smaller tank before transferring him. Is there anything I can do?
Some tank history:
60 gallon - 1 Betta, 1 Pleco (brown with spots), 2
Parrots, 2 Black Stripped Silver Dollars, 3 Tiger Barbs, 4 Barbs
(Orange), 7 (Forgive me I don't know the name of these guys) clear (as
in see through) with neon edging (each one has a different color: pink,
green, orange, yellow, blue, purple, and black)...whew, if you know
their name that would be great. For now I just call them Mr. [then their
color], and 2 Silvertip Sharks. I originally had 2 spotted puffers
(yellowish/green, black spots with a white underbelly) but they were
very aggressive towards my Silvertips (that's how I lost the first one).
<<These "sharks" are actually brackish to marine catfishes... the
puffers are brackish to marine as well... RMF>>
Now they have their
own 10 gallon.
(2nd) 10 gallon - 1 Pleco (same as above only much
darker), 1 Black Skirt, 1 Scissor Tail, 3 Neon Tetras, 4 Goldfish, and a
mysterious snail that appeared out of no where. This is the tank I put
the injured Silvertip in.
I apologize for the lengthiness of this
email. I did search for a possible answer ahead of time...came close but
no hits. I am a new fish mommy and love every minute of it. I even
managed to nurse one of the Silvertip Sharks back to health after it had
gotten picked on by the puffers only to have it die from high Nitrate
stress. Very sad!! I don't want to loose another one if I can help it. I
truly appreciate you taking the time to read this...trust I have tons
more questions but first my wounded fish. Thanks, ~Nad
<<Hello. What
do your nitrates measure in both tanks? Both your tanks seem overstocked
to me. Also, neon tetras and goldfish absolutely do NOT belong in the
same tank. Way different lifestyles, temp requirements, feeding, pH,
etc, there. When any species of fish is kept in the wrong environment,
it leads to stress, and eventually, disease. You should try to decide
who to keep and who to part with. If you remove the goldfish and return
them to your LFS, it would be easier to keep the 10g as a hospital tank
where you can treat the shark. You could move the neons etc into the 60g
temporarily until the shark is cured. A dose of Melafix or some salt
should help him out if the infection is mild. If not, he may need
something stronger, like an antibiotic, I can't tell without seeing him.
You will need to use good judgment to decide that. Also, please do
sufficient water changes in order to keep your nitrates low and your
fish healthy! Use your test kits! :) -Gwen>>
FW
minnow shark/actually brackish water catfish (env.) disease
Hello-
I need a little help here. We have a 75 gallon freshwater tank. We have
had what I think is an ongoing problem of some sort of disease. I have
already had 2 Iridescent Sharks die. They begin to stop eating get
really skinny and then just swimming all weird. Top of the tank bottom
and middle. I'm a little confused I just don't see why its only the
Iridescent Sharks, no one else seems to be showing any signs of disease.
The first 2 died within a few days of each other, now it has been about
3 weeks since we have had any problem and now we have it starting all
over again. The tank includes 2 Bala sharks, 1 gold shark, 1 silver
shark, 1 cigar shark, 2 glass cats, 1 ghost knife, 1 coolie loach, and 2
iridescent. We are running a Aqua Clear 500 and a Aqua tech 20-40. plus
2 Aqua clear 4000 power heads, for under gravel filtration. The tank has
been running since June 25th of this year. When we set up the tank we
started it with A miracle and a 700 gph pump (little giant). In about
September we noticed a crack in the sump and immediately replaced it
with the filtration that is on it now. About 3 weeks the filter crashed
we first noticed the first iridescent swimming disoriented, and then he
stopped eating, then died, The 2nd one followed shortly there after. We
suspect the tank recycled causing stress to induce these deaths. It has
now been about a month and we seem to be having the same problem again
with another iridescent only this time there seems to be damage and some
sort of spot on the top fin. If there is anything you can do to help or
maybe give us an idea of what this might be please contact me by e-mail.
< First of all we need to evaluate the overall health of the tank. For
that you need to get some testing done. Measure the ammonia and
nitrites. They should be zero all the time. Any readings mean that the
nitrogenous wastes are not being completely being broken down by the
bacteria and you will need to address that. Secondly is get a reading on
the total nitrates . They should be less than 25 ppm but some fish may
not be able to handle even that high of a reading and you iridescent
sharks may fall into that category. They may not die out right but
instead succumb to diseases for which they never recover from. The
nitrates can be reduced by servicing the filter regularly and by doing
weekly water changes. The amount of water is determined by the fish and
how they are being kept. For general purposes we usually recommend about
25% per week.-Chuck> <<Is an ariid catfish... not freshwater... RMF>>
Jamie
Sick Columbian Catfish 3/24/06 Dear WWM crew, <Hi,
Pufferpunk here> Thanks so much for your wonderful website. I
have learned a lot from it. <Great to hear!> I was wondering
if you can help me with the following: I have 2 Colombian cat sharks
each about 10.5 inches long in a 55 gal. tank. <Since they can
grow as large as 18", I'd suggest a 90+g for them.> Other fish
in the tank include 3 Monos and 2 Plecos. <Monos grow to about a
foot & will require another 120 gallons. Plecos have no place in
brackish water at all.> I have been having trouble keeping the
level of nitrates down and 3 of our scats died. <Scats too? You
don't mention the size of your fish but scats grow as large as a
dinner plate. All of the species you mention (except the Plecos)
will require marine conditions as they mature.> I had the tank
in the basement and decided to bring it up to the living room to
better monitor the tank. When I changed its location I made a 50
percent water change to lower the level of nitrates. <50% water
changes should be done on a weekly basis.> However, since we
moved the tank one of the cat sharks has been sick. First I thought
it was ich because I saw some little white dots. Now I am not so
sure. <That does sound like ich.> Its skin looks almost like
it has a thin discolored membrane over it. Its color is dull
compared to the healthy cat shark; its body color has changed from
gray-silver to gray-purple and its fin is always down. This morning
I also noticed that the fin has a white spot and it looks raw and
wrinkly. It almost looks like a fungus. He stays at the bottom very
still and his eyes are clear. He seems to be breathing quickly.
He has been in this condition for about 4 days. I have treated the
tank with ich medicine, I changed some of the water last night (the
nitrates are still high). <You should never medicate your entire
display tank. Sick fish should be medicated in a quarantine tank;
so that all the fish aren't subjected to the meds, the disease isn't
spread further, the fish isn't stressed by it's tank mates (because
of it's weakened condition) & you don't do harm to your biological
filtration with the meds. That way you can also do large water
changes on a smaller tank.> Also, I should say that one of the
Monos had a sore in its mouth that I was treating with penicillin (4
days). Now the treatment has stopped and the sore is not as bad. So
there was some penicillin in the water as well as ich medicine. The
temperature in the tank is 73F, salt water level is 1.002, the Ph.
7.2, alkalinity moderate (80), hardness (very hard), nitrates 160
(still unsafe). <Are you using marine salt? The water is way
too cold--should be 78-82 degrees. To treat ich, you should raise
the water temp to 86-87 degrees. Your SG should probably be around
1.010. Nitrates should be under 20. Sounds like you haven't been
doing enough regular water changes in there. Are you rinsing the
filter & cleaning the gravel regularly? I should also mention that
pH for BW fish should be around a steady 8, usually done by using
aragonite or crushed coral as substrate.> I should also mention
that about 3 months ago he jumped out of the tank and was on the
floor for about 10-15 minutes before we found him. <Definitely
stressful. Stress=lowered immune system.> It took a while to
recover and he was never as perky as before. He kept to the bottom
of the tank most of the time but he was in good overall health. I
really would appreciate your advice. I don't know what to do and it
seems to me that time is running out for my "little" Colombian cat
shark. Thanks a lot for your assistance. <Start out doing 20%
water changes daily, until your nitrates are under 20. Add Melafix
for the shark's skin & the mono's mouth. If there are still ich
spots, raise the temp. Keep adding marine salt, getting the SG up
.002/week until it is around 1.010-1.016. Continue doing 50% weekly
water changes. Find homes for the Plecos. Start saving for a much
larger tank. By then, they should be ready for SW. ~PP> |
Ill Colombian cat shark ... Bob's go 3/25/06 Dear Bob,
Thanks so much for your wonderful website. I have learned a lot
from it. I was wondering if you can help me with the following.
I have 2 Colombian cat sharks about 10.5 inches long in a 55
gal. tank. <A bit crowded...> Other fish in the tank
include 3 Monos and 2 Plecos. I have been having trouble keeping
the level of nitrates down and 3 of our scats died. <A
bummer... need much more room> I had the tank in the
basement and decided to bring it up to the living room to better
monitor the tank. When I changed its location I made a 50
percent water change to lower the level of nitrates. However,
since we moved the tank one of the cat sharks has been sick.
First I thought it was ich because I saw some little white dots.
Now I am not so sure. Its skin looks almost like it has a thin
discolored membrane over it. Its color is dull compared to the
healthy catshark; its body color has changed from gray-silver to
gray-purple and its fin is always down. <Bad signs> This
morning I also noticed that the fin has a white spot and it
looks raw and wrinkly. It almost looks like a fungus. He
also stays at the bottom very still and his eyes are clear. He
seems to be breathing quickly. He has been in this condition for
about 4 days. <All easily just symptoms of nitrate
poisoning> I have treated the tank with ich medicine, I
changed some of the water last night (the nitrates are still
high). <How high is that?> Also, I should say that one
of the Monos had a sore in its mouth that I was treating with
penicillin (4 days). <Uhh... you need to fix these fishes
environment... too crowded, polluted... they don't need
medicines> Now the treatment has stopped and the sore is not
as bad. So there was some penicillin in the water as well as ich
medicine. The temperature in the tank is 73F, salt water level
is 1.002, <Needs to be higher for the Ariids at this size...
remove the Plecos and raise>> the Ph. 7.2, alkalinity
moderate (80), hardness (very hard), nitrates 160 (still
unsafe). <Yikes... very toxic> I should also mention
that about 3 months ago he jumped out of the tank and was on the
floor for about 10-15 minutes before we found him. It took a
while to recover and he was never as perky as before. He kept to
the bottom of the tank most of the time but he was in good
overall health. I really would appreciate your advice. I don't
know what to do and it seems to me that time is running out for
my "little" Colombian cat shark. Thanks a lot for your
assistance. Anouk Patel-Campillo <Well, elevating the
salt content (after removing the Loricariids) will forestall
nitrate poisoning for a bit... but these Ariids and Monos need
to be in larger quarters... at least twice this size... and to
be exposed to no more than 20 ppm. nitrate maximum. End of line.
Bob Fenner> |
Re: ill Colombian cat
shark 3/28/06 Dear PP, Thanks so much for
your response. Since I wrote you last, we put the sick Colombian
cat shark in a hospital tank took out the carbon and
administered Aquari-sol for velvet disease (it supposedly also
works to cure ich). <Is it safe for scaleless fish?> The
cat shark seemed to get better almost immediately (that was
Friday). He was very active and started eating, he stopped
flicking against rocks and was breathing normally. However, his
fin was still disintegrating. I bought the Melafix you suggested
and have given him one dose as of now. What worries me is that
the powdery white dots he has on his skin seem to be
proliferating and his side is showing some peeling. <The
parasite could have damaged his skin or the meds could be doing
the same thing. Keep dosing with Melafix daily.> The
hospital tank specifications are: temperature 78 degrees and
raising slowly; <Get that up way higher--around 86.> pH
between 7.2 and 7.8; <Why such a fluctuation of pH? It
should stay steady--around 8 for BW fish. Fluctuation of pH is
very stressful for fish. In your main tank it's best to use
crushed coral or aragonite substrate, to keep the pH around a
steady 8.> alkalinity: 120; hardness: very hard (although I
have been making 20% water changes with spring water); nitrates
are up from 40 (before put the cat shark in) to somewhere
between 60 and 80. <Keep doing 20% (or more) daily water
changes till the nitrates are <20.> I don't know why this is
happening. The only thing I can think about is the food that I
give him or the few feeder fish I had in there for him to eat.
In any case I took out the feeder fish. <Great to hear--they
are poop machines & not good food for your fish. Do not
overfeed your fish--only enough food to be completely eaten in 5
minutes.> I am hoping that with the daily changes of 20% and
the absence of the feeder fish will help in getting the nitrates
down again. <Definitely should help.> The SG is about 1.004.
I assume I have to make small but steady increases until the
tank reaches 1.010. Is that right? (We are using Oceanic Natural
Marine Sea Salt Mix). <Correct. Actually, at their size,
you could aim even higher.> In the main display tank we
moved the 2 Plecos to a fresh water tank and it now has one cat
shark (10.5 inches long) a mono (about 4 inches nose to tail)
and 2 smaller Monos (1.5 inches nose to tail) and a few feeder
fish. <Either move the feeders in w/the Plecos (if that's
all that are in there), or find other homes for them. They do
not belong with your BW fish.> We took out the ammonia
remover from the filter and have been doing 20% water changes
every day. The tank specifications are as follows: temperature:
78-80 (lowers to 76 when we do the changes); <Try to match
the temp better--shouldn't be more than 1 degree either way,
form the tank water.> PH between 7.2 and 7.8; <Again I
repeat: It should stay steady--around 8 for BW
fish. Fluctuation of pH is very stressful for fish. In your
main tank it's best to use crushed coral or aragonite substrate,
to keep the pH around a steady 8.> Alkalinity has decreased
to 40; hardness (very) -although I use spring water-;
Nitrates down from 160 to about 80!; SG levels: 1.004. Although
overall the conditions in the tank seem to be improving, I
noticed that although the big Mono's mouth seems to be getting
better he is showing some powdery white dots on his eye (same as
the sick shark) and a bit on his tail. I am very concerned that
I may have not taken out the ill shark out of the display tank
on time to spare the others. I am also worried about having to
put the Mono with the ill shark in the hospital tank! Especially
because the shark seems to be in such poor shape. What should I
do?? I understand I can't medicate the display tank but I am not
sure putting the Mono in the hospital tank is such a good idea
given the more extreme condition of the shark. <Treat the
tank w/large (50-80%) water changes (cleaning the substrate),
salt & heat.> And, yes we are starting to save for a larger
tank...do you think the fish can wait a year or so before being
transferred into a larger tank? <Really hard to tell. I
think the sharks would definitely need a larger tank now. The
Monos are schooling fish (5-6) & will require at least a 300g
tank for a school of 1' fish. Rarely are these beauties housed
correctly. =o{ > Also, we have been doing regular water
changes but we recently moved to this area and we have had lots
of problems with the quality of the water since. <What's
wrong with your water exactly? There is no way to get out of
weekly water changes--best thing you can do for your fish!>
Also, I think we may be over feeding our fish. On a given day
we give them a square of brine shrimp and bloodworms in the
morning and bloodworms and tablets at night. Is that too much?
If so, can you tell me how much I should be feeding them?
<Bloodworms are fine but brine shrimp are not very nutritious at
all (mostly water). Be sure to rinse all foods in a brine
shrimp net. All the juices in those cubes are definitely adding
to your nitrates. Try freeze-dried plankton/krill & flakes
too. ~PP> |

|
Columbian Shark--Died... =o{ 3/29/06 Dear PP, I am sad
to say that our cat shark died yesterday. <I thought it might
have been tough to save him...> I am afraid I did not react
quickly enough to save him. I had him for 3 years and got him when
he was less than 2 inches long. <So sorry for your loss.> I
think the parasites damaged his internal organs and in trying to
save him I probably over medicated the poor guy. <It's difficult
to medicate scale less fish.> The good news is that the Mono
does not have the white dots in his eyes anymore. I think the water
changes are helping. <Of course! As the great Anthony Calfo
says, "The solution to pollution, is dilution!"> The nitrates
are down to 60 and the pH is stabilizing. The problem with the water
here seems to be that it is high in heavy metals (that is why it is
so hard, I guess) and we were concerned about this. Since we moved
to this area we have lost a lot of fish including a great looking
moray eel that we had for a year and a half. The fish stores
here are always having to quarantine their fish. When we figured out
that something may be wrong with the water we started using spring
water, which is low in heavy metals but also low in pH. Most likely
the fluctuation in pH is due to the spring water we are using. Now I
am mixing both tap and spring water. I assume that the fish can deal
with the heavy metals? <Not necessarily. Why not start using RO
water? You can buy your own system for pretty cheap on EBay. Then
start getting your SG up, so the salt can replace what the RO has
removed, for something livable. Also, use crushed coral or
aragonite as substrate, to keep the pH around a steady 8 for BW
fish.> We administered some water conditioner which supposedly
takes care of this problem. <Hmmm, what's that? I can't imagine
anything other than a pH buffer, which will only work temporarily &
cause large fluctuations of your pH. VERY stressful for the fish to
constantly try to adjust to the fluctuations!> One last
question: with every water change we have been replacing salt in the
display tank as indicated on the instructions and adding a bit
more to raise the SG level. However, when we measure it with the
hydrometer it always reads the same, 1.004. Why is this? <It
really takes a lot of salt to raise the SG. Around a cup of salt/5g
to raise the SG .005 (rough estimate). Only raise your SG
.002/weekly 50% water change (or daily, in your case, till your
nitrates are under 20), so you don't harm the beneficial bacteria in
your tank.> Anyway, thanks again to you and Bob for your help.
This experience has been quite educational. <There are great
articles on water chemistry here:
http://www.thepufferforum.com/articles/libraryTOC.html Good
luck with your remaining fish & that huge tank in your future! ~PP>
Best regards, AP |
Death of
Columbian Shark 1/26/-6
Hi-
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
I had
a quick question about my recently deceased Columbian
Silvertip Shark... I have had him for the past 5 months in a 23 gallon
tank, and he's been growing and healthy and very active--he was around
6-7".
<For a fish that large, which loves a lot of space for it's
constant swimming, that tank sounds a bit too small. As these fish can
grow up to 18", eventually a 90g tank or larger is recommended for
them. They are also schooling fish.>
About a week ago, I noticed he
seemed more "antsy" than
normal--usually he swam always
in the corner near the filter-head
against the current,
but recently he started swimming around the
entire tank
in a slightly restless state, and I noticed that he had stopped
eating. I put in some feeder guppies for him (a usual treat) to see if
that perked his appetite, but no luck. I did a 1/4 water change last
week, water parameters all good, water has always been slightly
brackish, and heater has been constant at 78 degrees.
<How often do
you do water changes? What does "slightly brackish" mean? Are you
using marine salt & testing with a hydrometer? It would be helpful to
know the water parameters of your tank, but as the fish is gone, they
would have changed by now. Always a good thing to know though: ammonia,
nitrites, nitrates, pH & SG.>
Last night, I came home to see him
gasping on his back in the rear of the tank. Physically, he looked fine,
although I can't tell if there was something slightly off with his
skin/color on either side of his top fin (I couldn't tell if it was just
markings, or something else--very subtle, and nothing I could identify
as a bacteria/fungus). I took him out and put him in a hospital tank
with some tetracycline, but by morning he was gone.
<It's not a good
idea to medicate for an undiagnosed problem--could do more harm than
good. 1st thing I would have done was test the water & do a large (50%)
water change, or if it's been a while, 2 25% water changes in 2 days.>
I really loved keeping him, but now I'm afraid to get another one,
since I feel clueless as to why his health declined so fast. Any
clue to what could triggered his death? There's a golden algae eater in
the tank that would bully him sometime, but nothing too
vicious... All my other fish seem fat and healthy (knock on wood):
pleco, Cory cats, danios, male betta, tetras and golden rams.
<None of which like any part of brackish water. With a 6-7" fish added
to that mix--way overcrowded! Start doing more regular, larger weekly
water changes & testing your water. ~PP>
Thank you for your time-
I really appreciate your advice!
*Daisy
Sick
Hexanematichthys seemanni 9/20/05
Hi Bob,
<Erik>
One of my 3 Hexanematichthys Seemanni is very sick. He has lost most of
his color and keeps hiding behind a rock and just sitting there.
<Not good>
As a precaution I have moved him to a 10 gallon hospital
tank and medicated with Melafix,
<Don't do this...>
although I
have no idea what could be wrong. Fins appear
to be in good shape
and there are no signs of fungus. Tank water is
fine, 0 Ammonia and
Nitrite, about 20-40 ppm nitrate, 82 degrees and PH
is about 8,
specific gravity is about 1.008. I have a Needlenose gar, a
milk
spotted puffer, 3 sharks and 5 mollies in a 55 gallon. (I know I
need another big tank eventually, everyone is still a juvenile except
the mollies and they are getting along fine.) I keep 3 platies and my
feeder minnows
<Here we go>
in the hospital tank to keep it
cycled. Any idea what it could be? His fins are clear now and his eyes
are clouded over.
Thanks,
Erik in Oceanside
<Is very likely
something to do with the "feeders"... or something else this fish ate. I
would remove it back to the main tank. The Melafix is more toxic than
helpful. Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Hexanematichthys seemanni
Bob,
<Erik>
I had already done that,
<Added the "Fix",
yes... I understand/stood that>
I wasn't planning on leaving him
there for long.
<Ah, good... too small a volume... hard to keep
water quality optimized, stable for this size, type organism>
If
MelaFix is so toxic, why is it on the market and being recommended as a
general medication by Petco for fish?
<... "folks will buy it"...
you can see my, other WWM Crews input re this AP product by
searching...>
The guy there told me MelaFix was a good general cure
for most fish ailments. I thought it was worth a try.
<My friend...
why don't doctors prescribe "leaf extracts" for human ailments? I do
enjoy hot tea (having some right now) though...>
The gar eats
nothing but live minnows. I only put them in the main tank one at a time
to be sure they get eaten, they don't handle the salt well at all, a few
hours and they go kaput. If he doesn't eat it right away it comes back
out as he is obviously not hungry.
<Mmm, I'd try training this fish
onto other dead meaty foods, strips>
I'm sure the shark didn't eat
any minnows. Other than that they get live bloodworms, tropical flake
and frozen krill. I also put emerald green in for the mollies once in a
while.
<I see>
Anyway, he seems to be doing much better, some of
his color has come back and he's back to his normal activity level.
<Ah, very good news>
Why the "Here we go" comment? Do you have some
objection to feeder fish or is it the way they are being kept?
<Do
have objections... again... please don't write, use the indices, search
tool... Bob Fenner>
Thanks as always,
Erik
Re: Sick
Hexanematichthys seemanni... actually, "feeder" effects... causal
relations, first order operations 9/26/05
Bob,
<Erik>
The
shark is fine, and in a new home now.
<Ah, good>
My feeder fish
problem is solved, so to speak. The gar died last night,
as did my
milk spotted puffer. I bought a new decoration for my tank at
Petco,
the Miracle Beam city scape of Los Angeles. It was on clearance
for
five bucks. I was already thinking about dropping $40 on the miracle
beam light system, so I thought this to be a cheap alternative, even if
I didn't use the city scape it's self, just the light. My wife fell in
love with it and made me put it in the tank last night.
I woke up to
an otherwise healthy dead gar and puffer. My nitrites were
through
the roof but ammonia was still zero. This is in a completely
cycled
tank with previously zero nitrites and ammonia with anywhere
between
20 and 50 ppm nitrates. I had just tested everything yesterday.
I
was doing 25% weekly water changes and PH was about 8.0. Here's and
odd side note, when I tested the ammonia after the death of my two
favorite fish, the water in the test tube didn't change color but did
get extremely cloudy as soon as I added the solution, any ideas?
<... some sort of chemical/test gear interaction... perhaps from the
water change... I strongly encourage folks to pre-treat, store new water
for a week...>
The only thing I can think of is that the ornament
has a magnet in it to
hold the light on the outside of the tank (you
back the piece up to the
tank wall and the light is actually on the
outside of the tank). I think
a piece of the PVC that houses the
magnet was broken, allowing exposure
of the metal to the brackish
water in my system. So far as I know, metal
corrodes in salt and
water, so it must have leeched something toxic into
the system to
kill two otherwise hardy and healthy fish and destroy my
nitrifying
bacteria.
<Yikes... not good if so... there are ferrous/iron test
kits... The nitrogenous readings could be "just" from the dead/dying
fishes though...>
Have you ever heard of such a thing? Am I way of
base and the problem
lies elsewhere?
<Impossible to tell from
here. Again, the "feeder" issue... these pond-raised fishes et al. are
reared, shipped, kept in deplorable conditions... invariably have high,
diverse parasite loads (I used them for years as such sources for
demonstrations of fish pathology)... this is very likely the root cause
of troubles here...>
In any event, I have taken the three remaining
brackish
fish, my silver tip sharks, to the LFS and have decided to
go with a
straight freshwater semi-aggressive tank. I completely
emptied my tank
and started from scratch. I bought some bio-Spira
and some new live
stock after completely cleaning everything
associated with the tank as thoroughly as I could.
If such and
ornament is not meant for salt water, then shouldn't they
have to
post some warning on it? If it's toxic to fish, shouldn't it be off the
market?
<I have not a clue here>
Erik in Oceanside
<Bob
Fenner, in Mira Mesa, but out to HI tomorrow>
Arius seemanni
Hello! I have just recently found your site and your faq responses are
amazing so I thought of you first when I started having problems with my
new 55 gal. tank.
<thanks kindly>
Right now the tank is cycling,
it's about 20 days in and the only fish in the tank are one Black Molly
and Two Arius seemanni.
<an interesting mix... not quite compatible
either... these "sharks" grow to nearly 24"!>
The sharks were not
originally intended to be in the tank during cycling but I have had them
for a year and a half and they have outgrown their tank horribly and the
larger one was actually injuring himself when he got excited so I
thought moving him up right away was necessary....I think I may have
moved too soon. I have been religiously testing the ammonia levels at
the LFS and the woman regularly tells me that the ammonia spike is
coming and although my levels aren't toxic just yet I should watch the
fish carefully and change 20 - 25% water at least once a week.
<agreed>
Ok so the problem. I have followed her directions and in all
actuality ammonia doesn't seem to be the problem. But my largest shark
is looking bad... his color has drained to a light silvery splotchy
color and over the last few days he has slowed down a lot and is having
trouble swimming. He sits on the bottom is awkward positions. His
breathing is a bit labored but certainly not the worst I've seen. He
also looks to be developing a case of hemorrhagic septicemia, but I
suspect that it is not his primary problem but rather something that
developed from his weakness. Neither of the other two fish are showing
any kind of signs of illness. I can only think of one thing that has
changed since I set up the tank.
<actually... symptoms like this are
common in stunted fish and fishes kept in tanks that are too small... it
may be the case here. There is no such thing as a "healthy" stunting of
a fish in accordance with their tank size.>
I have been adding salt
slowly to bring up the SG, which is now at around 1.011 and this
subsequently killed off all of the white cloud I had in the tank
<very good!>
and my only choice for feeder fish were guppies :( The
larger Arius is really the only one that actively takes live food and
it's a possibility that he was the only one who ate them could that be
why he is the only one who is affected?
<possibly>
I'm going to
treat for the septicemia right away, but I don't want to lose this fish,
his friend will be lonely so if you have any ideas on what I have done
wrong I would appreciate it :( Sincerely, Rachael
PS Sorry this is so
long!
<no worries... and aside from tank size you seem to be well
informed and certainly empathetic. Lets treat the fish in a QT tank if
possible with a Furan based medication. Best regards, Anthony>
Columbian Shark Acting Weird 1/13/04
<Hi, Pufferpunk here>
Hello, I am kind of new to this fish stuff but it is fun,
<Welcome
to my passion--fishkeeping! I hope it will become your passion too.>
I have a 55 gallon tank and 2 small Columbian sharks, and a couple other
small fish in the tank with them, I.e. a red tail shark and a couple of
small catfish.
<I can already see a problem here. Columbian Sharks
are brackish water fish, that prefer saltwater as adults.>
But my
worries are about one of the Columbian sharks, its belly is huge and it
seems to swim in circles and not ever able to gain any sort of
equilibrium and maintain normal patterns like the other Columbian, All
other fish are fine and water is of good quality. It is like the shark
is doing back flips and other acrobatic maneuvers...I am just worried
and would hate to see it die or suffer.
<Is it possible to
quarantine this fish? I think it might have internal parasites. It is
a common thing with wild-caught fish. If it's eating, try treating it
with Discomed, by Aquatronics. If you can't separate it, all the fish
will have to eat the medicated food.>
Thank you so much and I Love
your site I have learned a lot. Dennis Barnard
<You're welcome
& keep learning--Pufferpunk>
Arius seemanni (shark catfish)
with cloudy eye (10/14/03)
Hello WetWeb crew!
<Hi! Ananda
here today...>
I just had a quick question, I have a pretty good
sized Arius seemanni, he's maybe 6 or 7 inches and because the tank is a
reef tank and he's a little rough, he gets small scratches and scrapes
from time to time, he heals up very quickly, but it looks like he may
have scratched his eye recently.
<Ack. I'm glad he's in a tank with
some salt, but scrapes and injuries are going to be par for the course
in a reef tank... these guys are shoalers and need some open space to
swim around in.>
A day or two ago it started out as a very cloudy,
but splotchy looking deal, but now it's uniform throughout his eye but
slightly more clear...it is possible he has a disease resulting from the
scratch (I ask just because it's changed form slightly) or is it more
likely that this is just his healing process?
<Could be a
developing infection. You might consider setting up the quarantine tank
for him for a bit and medicating with an antibiotic... on the other
hand, since it's likely to be difficult to catch him, you might just
observe him for a few days and see what progresses. Do keep the water
quality pristine, and wear aquatic gloves when you put your hands in the
tank to prevent any of the bacteria on your hands/under your fingernails
from getting into the tank. Also feed him high-quality foods, perhaps an
antibiotic food if you have one that he will eat.>
His behavior is
completely normal otherwise.
<That's always a good sign.>
I
appreciate your expertise! Thank you SO much for your time!
Rachael
Loose
<You're welcome. --Ananda>
Sick Columbian Shark
(09/14/03)
<Hi! Ananda here today...>
I just started a new
tank, also my first tank. The pet store that I bought everything from
was no help in setting up the tank.
<Not at all unusual,
unfortunately.>
After asking many questions all they said was to add
salt to the tank. Well after about two
weeks I thought things were
settling down after a phosphorus bloom, and learning more about keeping
a brackish tank then I ever thought I'd need to know.
<Okay... if
you haven't read it yet, hunt up Neale Monks' "Brackish FAQ". A Google
search should show several hits; some sites have it in html, others have
it in PDF.>
The ph is steady at about 7.1-7.2.
<Hmmm. Kinda low
for brackish, but steady is good. What's your source pH, and what's your
s.g.?>
The nitrite level is high (5), which I've been told is normal
until the nitrogen cycle completes and the biological filtration
develops.
<Ack! But too high for your fish. Do a water change
ASAP!>
Also the natural sea salt was added according to the
directions. However after realizing I might need a specific gravity
tester, the tank shows almost freshwater results. I have
been adding
salt slowing over the past day to try and bring it up. I've heard that
Columbian sharks like increasing salinity as they get older, so I'm
starting fairly low with a 1.006ish specific gravity. (increasing to
1.015 gradually over a year)
<Sounds good. Just use slightly
brackish water for top off, and/or use slightly-more-brackish water for
water changes.>
I can't understand the disappearance of the salt that
was mixed in at the start. Could the filter remove it?
<Unlikely.
How much salt did you add, or how high a specific gravity did you shoot
for at first? Also, what kind of hydrometer are you using? If it's a
floating thermometer-hydrometer, it will give you readings that are not
accurate for your tank temp -- they're calibrated for 60 degrees F, and
you need a chart to convert its reading to get the reading it should be
for your tank temp. That's why I'm not fond of those. Well, that, and
the fact that they're fragile -- I've broken two of them! For brackish,
you either want a SeaTest hydrometer (made by Aquarium Systems) or a
refractometer.>
Unfortunately the fish were in the tank through my
inexperience and changes to ph, salinity, and chlorine removal. They
have all held up very well until about three days ago. The Columbian
Shark sits in his favorite corner, but no longer swims, just lays on the
bottom. His dorsal fin is also tucked back and no longer up like
usual. He perks up just fine when it's feeding time, and seems to eat
normally. But then goes back to laying. There are
no noticeable
marks, scars or growths. I'm hoping it's just the changes and that
he'll be back to normal soon, but better to be sure. Thank you very
much for your time. -Dan
<It's the nitrite. You could take him out
and put him in a quarantine tank, doing daily water changes to keep the
ammonia down. Or you could leave him in the main tank and do water
changes to keep the nitrites down -- though that would have the
unfortunate side effect of lengthening your cycle. I'd go with the
quarantine tank -- it doesn't need to be anything fancy; a sturdy
plastic container will work. Do check the WWM site for info on
quarantining and tank cycling... there are also a few pages about the
Columbian sharks. I am very glad you have him in brackish water. And do
check out the brackish forum on the WWM chat forums:
http://wetwebfotos.com/talk/... --Ananda>
Arius seemanni
Venom (3/7/04)
Hi, <Steve Allen today>
I have a aggressive
Arius seemanni and I have read that they have
anticoagulant venom. My
question is, what would happen if I where to be bitten <the venom is
actually through the dorsal spines>, would this pose a risk to my health
(could I get sick/die), and
what should I do if she does bite me? <I
found little about this on the internet, suggesting there have been few
cases of actual harm. You might w ant to do more research on the web or
through a university library. Anticoagulant venoms aren't really likely
to kill you, but there could be a lot of localized bleeding. If you got
a lot of venom in you, it could possibly cause serious problems. In your
position, I'd keep my bare skin out of the tank. Get some
puncture-resistant aquarium gloves and keep an eye on him. If something
happens, cal your doctor immediately. > Thank You-Joey <Hope this
helps.>
Distressed Arius graeffei
Hi guys!!
<Hi
there>
I recently added 2 Arius graeffei to my 60"x18"x20" tropical
tank society of approx. 25 fish and 14 yabbies.
<Yikes... pretty
crowded>
Unfortunately, these fish won't relax. There was a third
fish at the store when I purchased the 2, and was wondering whether the
neurotic behaviour of the purchased 2 was due to potential emotional
stress due to separation from their friend/family member.
<Not IME...
this is just one of the more diurnally active, make that ACTIVE
catfishes>
The pair haven't settled down after a couple of weeks, and
I was wondering whether this was due to the pair being of the same sex,
or because of the absent 3rd Arius graeffei. I have constructed roomy
rock caves for habitat in the aquarium for their lair, but still no
peace. Their behaviour distresses the ecosystem, and I can't put up
with it for much longer!!
<Maybe time to trade them in>
Please
help me with some advice and experienced stories before these two Arius
graeffei learn to swim in salt water..
<They may do so... naturally>
Kind regards,
Aaron and Matty T
<Bob Fenner>
Columbian
Sharks and Java Ferns
Sorry to bother you guys again, but I have
two questions I couldn't find on your site. I have two Columbian sharks.
They are both still pretty young (about 5 inches). <You'll need about
100 gallons of brackish water to keep these large fish into adulthood.>
I've noticed recently that their fins are a little torn, the smaller
shark more than the bigger one. I doesn't look at all like it could be
fin and tail rot, besides they are both really healthy. They are
inseparable and I've never seen them be violent to one another, I was
wondering if they could be doing this to themselves since they are the
most aggressive fish in the tank. <Possible> (33 gal with the two
sharks, pleco, African leaf fish, leopard leaf fish and fire eel) <The
eel may be causing a ruckus at night> Don't worry we are eventually
moving the sharks to a brackish tank. <Salt will help heal as well as
start adjusting them to their adult requirements. Host of reasons for
tattered fins. Aggression, very high or low pH, ammonia, very high
nitrates etc..> Second question, we have sand as our substrate and have
live plants I think they are java ferns. The pet store told us that if
the plants are submerged directly into the sand eventually they will
start emitting toxic gases that are undetectable and will kill our fish.
Because of this I put the plants in little plastic cups filled with
gravel and submerged those in the sand. <Will not help> I was just
wondering if this was necessary. I couldn't find any info on the net.
<Java Fern grows from a "stem" that grows horizontal to the substrate.
The fronds then grow up along this stem. If it is buried in *any*
substrate it will die and decay. This will result in more ammonia
entering your cycle. I know of no other "gas" that decaying Java emits.
I planted mine on driftwood. Just cut a sliver, leaving it attached to
the wood. Then use this sliver to clip the base of the fern to the wood.
That will hold it in place until the roots grab the wood. Don>
Columbian Sharks (Arius seemanni) 9/26/04
Hi There,
<Hi,
Pufferpunk here>
I was just on your website and I found a lot of
interesting information about the Columbian Shark. I
do have a
question that I did not find an answer to on
your site. I just
bought two small (2 inches or so)
sharks and I believe they are
Columbian sharks. They
are very silver almost metallic grey and
very sleek.
They have very long whiskers and look identical to a
real shark.
<Have you read this?
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ariidcats.htm)
Now, my question is:
why would they be
swimming upside down? They are not just floating
there in they water but actually swimming quickly at
the top, upside
down!?
<Are they upside-down all the time? Are they gasping for
air? Or do they straighten out after a while & swim normally?>
Sorry, I actually have one more question in regards
to these
sharks... Is it okay to have them in a tank
with goldfish? I know
it sounds funny but They are in
my 40 gallon with a large (8 inches
at least) pond
goldfish as well as a 3 inch feeder goldfish and two
2-3 inch fantail goldfish. They seem to be doing well
with them so
far but how long will this be okay?
<Absolutely not! GFs are Very
messy, high waste-producing
cold water fish. Your "sharks" are
actually tropical,
brackish water fish that prefer saltwater as
adults. They
also grow 14-18" & require a huge tank. You never mix
tropical
fish with GF.>
If you could please answer this I would
greatly appreciate it.
<I suggest either setting up a separate BW
tank for them
(expecting to need a very large tank in the future for
these
fish), or return them. ~PP>
Thank You !! Ashley
Columbian sharks
Dear crew I would be very grateful for some
advice. I have two Columbian
sharks which are about 5"
long, just recently one has started just lying on the
gravel a lot it also has a very large belly. Should I be concerned.
The water is fine & although it is a fresh water tank I add one
teaspoon
of salt for every two gallons of water in a 90
gallon tank.
happy new year
James
<James, I would add some Epsom
Salt (magnesium sulfate), at one teaspoon per five gallons here, in the
hope it will alleviate the swelling. I also encourage you to get/use a
hydrometer... to measure the specific gravity of the water... I do hope
your other livestock can tolerate brackish water... and that you have
plans to graduate these catfish to full marine in future. Bob Fenner>
Columbian Shark Question
I have 3 Columbian sharks, about 4
inches in a 29 gal. tank. I've done a
lot of reading on forums such
as this about them and thought I was doing
things well. I just
recently did a water change and changes some of the
tank decor to
make more room for them. Now I just noticed one of them has a
white,
growth looking spot on his tail fin. <Possibly fin and tail rot?> They
usually lay on the ground from time to time but now they do it A
LOT. I'm guessing that that is just because they are getting used to
their new surroundings. But I have no idea about the white, growth
looking thing. Any help would be great. <I suggest you check out the
saltwater FAQs. My best guess is that it might be Lymphocystis see the
picture here to see if maybe that's what it is?
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/viraldislymph.htm. If it is there are
FAQs to tell you how to handle it or write back and we will work you out
a game plan Adam. Good luck, MacL>
Thanks
Adam
Arius
seemanni please help!
Hi! My name is Rebekah and my husband's
name is Chris.
<My name is Paul Maud'dib... actually, call me Bob>
We got a 10 gallon
fish tank over a year ago and our first two fish
were Arius seemanni, or shark
catfish. No one told us they would
get so big, we were new at this! We
just got them a 29 gallon
tank. They were both doing very well and very
active. They seem
like best friends and always swim with each other. Tonight we
were
horrified to look in our tank and see one of our shark fish dying!
<!>
We had to leave and when we came back he was dead, absolute
stiff as a
board. The other shark left seems quite
sad. Our question is what happened? He
was so healthy and
active! We don't want to lose our other shark. Let me
tell you
the symptoms and I hope you can help!
My husband heard a loud
commotion in our tank and saw the catfish really
freaking out. He was shooting around the tank at lightening
speeds! Then he
started to convulse and swim upside down and his
mouth kept opening and closing
and he almost seemed to be gasping
for air. It didn't take him long to die.
He turned really white
and the tips of his black fins turned almost a clear
white. Like I
said, he was very stiff when we removed him.
<Frightening>
Where did we go wrong? We were so sad to loose one of
our first fish we
ever bought! And does the other catfish need a
friend to replace the dead one?
Thank you so much for
any help!
Bekah and Chris
<Some sort of catastrophic injury
happened to just the one specimen... Likely it either crashed into part
of the decor or rammed up into the hood/top... this does happen... more
so in smaller systems than larger. Bob Fenner>
Iridescent
Shark 7/19/05
Heya Bob.
I have 2 iridescent sharks in my
tank. I know it is a very bad choice of fish for a small aquarium but
since they are already living there for so long, I cant bare to kill
them. Besides no one wants such a huge fish.
I realize they are
super hardy fishes. They got Ich and killed whatever was in the tank but
survived the ordeal. However their noses were badly injured and did not
recover after 1 year. They are rubbing their noses against the glass
tank as if to swim thru it. The skin on the nose is GONE and I can see
the red flesh and whitish stuff (perhaps the bone?). The other shark has
a red pus on it. Sort of like a pimple that is about to burst, very red
and in a bag.
What can I do to treat their condition? Very
heart-aching. Thanks and I look forward for your advice.
>>>Greetings! Jim here.
You've neglected to tell me how large your
fish are, and the size of your tank. Quite frankly I hate to read emails
like this. Am I to understand then that you can't bear to kill them, but
you have no problem keeping them in such cramped surroundings that they
cannot remain healthy? You can help then along with antibiotics, but
frankly this will not be enough. You need to find homes for your fish,
and stock your tank with appropriately sized animals.
Cheers
Jim<<< Iridescent Shark 7/20/05
> Heya Bob.
> I have 2 iridescent sharks in my tank. I know it is a very bad choice
of
> fish for a small aquarium but since they are already living
there for so
> long, I cant bare to kill them. Besides no one wants
such a huge fish.
> I realize they are super hardy fishes. They got
Ich and killed whatever
> was in the tank but survived the ordeal.
However their noses were badly
> injured and did not recover after 1
year. They are rubbing their noses
> against the glass tank as if to
swim thru it. The skin on the nose is GONE
> and I can see the red
flesh and whitish stuff (perhaps the bone?). The
> other shark has a
red pus on it. Sort of like a pimple that is about to
> burst, very
red and in a bag.
> What can I do to treat their condition? Very
heart-aching. Thanks and I
> look forward for your advice.
>>>>Greetings! Jim here.
> You've neglected to tell me how large
your fish are, and the size of your
> tank. Quite frankly I hate to
read emails like this. Am I to understand
> then that you can't bear
to kill them, but you have no problem keeping
> them in such cramped
surroundings that they cannot remain healthy? You can
> help then
along with antibiotics, but frankly this will not be enough. You
>
need to find homes for your fish, and stock your tank with appropriately
> sized animals.
> Cheers
> Jim<<<
Hello Bob
Sorry about
the missing details. Thanks for the advice
<Welcome... have you read
our accumulated FAQs re this species:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ariidcatfaqs.htm
and the linked files
above? BobF>
Re: Iridescent Sharks 7/21/05
Hi Bob.
Yes I did do a search using the search engine found in the web for
iridescent, shark and nose. Read the articles with the combination but I
did
not find one that describe the condition or the suitable
treatment. So I
emailed you regarding this. Maybe the articles are
dated too far back cos I
did not go thru all the results from the
search engine. I have also read the
FAQ, FAQ2.
<... so, these
animals are in brackish to a marine setting... Bob Fenner>
Please read!!! Sick FW (actually more like saltwater) Catfishes...
I'm sure you get a lot of email, and probably don't have a lot of time.
<Same amount as everyone my friend>
I have a freshwater aquarium with
two Arius Jordani (Jordan's Catfish)
<Ah, yes... that minor prophet
of democracy, first prez of Stanford, none other than David Starr J.
himself>
they
both started getting white splotches. I first
treated the tank for
fungus. It cleared up part way. I figured maybe
it was a secondary
infection and read up on Ich.
<Good so far...>
I have treated them for Ich. One of my
catfish has a white spike
protruding from his side.
<Yikes... likely an intraneural bone...
not good... and possible evidence of a very aggressive bacterial
problem... internal>
He is not as active
as he normally is. I
don't know if he will survive. I had an ammonia
problem not to long
ago but that has been fixed. This all started
occurring soon after
the ammonia reached a safe level.
<Actually, as you know... before,
with the ammonia problem... or what actually "caused" the ammonia
problem...>
I might not be
able to save this catfish, but I am
really concerned with finding a
solution to this. It might get my
other catfish too. I have heard
great things about your knowledge of
fish and I am at a total loss to
explain it. The catfish has also
lost one of his whiskers, he seems to
have an infection around his
upper lip also. Like I say I may not be
able to save this catfish,
but I need to fix the problem so it does not
happen again. Any feed
back would be greatly appreciated. And thank you
for your time.
Sincerely, Luke
<Thank you for writing. Please do quickly read over
the section on "Hole in the Side Disease" under the "Pond Index" on my
site: www.WetWebMedia.com and avail yourself of the proposed solutions
there... I would make my own antibiotic laden food, keep water quality
optimized and stable, slap on an ultraviolet sterilizer in the filter
flow path if you have one (otherwise check with your marine aquarist
friends to see if they have one "laying around"), add some salt (see the
WWM site re) to the water, keep changing the water/gravel vacuuming
regularly with pre-made, stored freshwater... Do think you have a gram
negative bacterial hyperinfection here... and it can be stopped. Bob
Fenner>
Please read!!!
Thank you for the prompt reply!
:) It was highly informative. I sure hope it
has been caught in time
to be beaten back. Again I appreciate your response
immensely!
Thank you, -Luke
<You're welcome my friend. Life to you. Bob Fenner>
Sick Arius seemanni
Hi Bob
We have 3 Arius seemanni in a 46
gal. hexagonal tank with 10 African cichlids, 3 tiger barbs, 3 golden
barbs, 4 cherry barbs, and 2 common places.
<wow... what a truly
bizarre mix <G> of fishes from Africa, Asia and South America. Really,
you have fishes needing three different water qualities here: African
for hard, alkaline and mildly brackish... neutral Asia water quality
preferences... and soft acidic south American demons (Pleco). It is
difficult if at all possible to maintain all such fishes in good health
in the long run under such compromised water quality>
The water is
brackish. ph 7.8, ammonia-norm, nitrate-norm temp -80. we have two fake
plants and lots of brook rocks, and crushed coral on the bottom,
<all conducive to the African cichlids>
a magnum 350 filter, and two
6" air stones.
<is the magnum the only biological filter?!?! If
so... it is very poorly suited and undersized for the job. Really just a
good mechanical and chemical filter instead. Do add much better
biological filtration (like an Eheim with ceramic noodles and course
foam or a wet/dry filter>
The catfish have developed white spotty
lumps all over their bodies and are not active as when we bought them a
week ago they also have not eaten for about a day. Do you know what this
is and if so what can we do about it?
<hmmm.... likely a bacterial
infection, but do review the archives on disease to see if a photo or
description can help: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mardisease.htm>
Thank You, Jenessa
<best regards, Anthony Calfo>
Iridescent sick?
I am a newbie. I recently got a paradise fish,
red flame dwarf, algae eater, 1 Bala and 1 ID shark.
<... this last
fish is a brackish to marine catfish...>
For the first while the ID
shark was fine, but now I noticed he's been hiding more often in the
castle, I was concerned cause he generally will come out and play with
the Bala for a while at night and lately he hasn't. So I fished
him out of the castle and got a look at him and it appears he's changed
colour a bit, I don't know if its the water, or what but his side looks
a little yellowish where it should be silver and I cant be sure but I
think the bottom of him has changed in colour too.
<IS the water>
I don't know if he's still eating, I tried to see if he would take food
and it looked like he did and he was swimming around quite well when I
fished him out and he even stayed out for a bit , but its his colour I'm
concerned with. Does he sound sick to you? The rest of the fish
are fine. If he is sick, what can I do about it?
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ariidcats.htm and the Related FAQs
(linked, in blue, above)>
He's only about 2 to 3 inches long and they
are all in a 10 gallon tank right now.
<...! Too small a system for
the Bala, this catfish...>
I have a mini filter, and I use clarify to
keep the tank healthy, I also use a treatment which de-stresses the tank
and cleans out the chlorine.
<Good>
I feed them flakes and blood
worms. There's also a "bubble unit" to add extra air in the water.
<A
good addition>
The tank looks clean , but I'm not sure of the levels.
<Me neither... but these fishes are environmentally incompatible... the
"shark" needs brackish water... and if it lives, full marine... and you
need a bigger tank altogether>
Please help the ID is one of my fave
fish and I was really looking forward to growing him large.
<Ahh,
then study my young friend... read about your fishes on WWM,
fishbase.org Much to know. Bob Fenner>