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FAQs about Cardinalfishes, Family Apogonidae, Selection

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Related FAQs: Cardinalfishes 1, Cardinalfishes 2, & FAQs on: Cardinal ID, Cardinal Behavior, Cardinal Compatibility, Cardinal Systems, Cardinal Feeding, Cardinal Disease, Cardinal Reproduction,  & Banggai Cardinals, Banggai ID, Banggai Behavior, Banggai Compatibility, Banggai Selection, Banggai Systems, Banggai Feeding, Banggai Disease, Banggai Reproduction,

 

Small Water Column Fish -- Revisited, Apogonid sel.  – 06/15/07
Hey thanks once again Mich.
<Welcome!>
I have access to some Apogon cyanosoma (yellow-lined or gold striped cardinals). Some folks seem to be ok keeping them long term in a small group, others experience aggression as they mature. Any thoughts on these?
<I have never kept this species of fish, so I'm not able to draw on personal experience here, but the literature describes these as one of the "bolder" members of the family and recommends keeping a group of 5-7 individuals, all introduced at the same time. You may want to consider dimming your lighting when they are introduced. There is more info here,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cardinal.htm
but nothing as far the behavior of this species versus others in the genus. It can be difficult to predict behavior as it can vary greatly between the individual. Other fish in the system can also impact behavior. I would avoid overcrowding and provide plenty of hiding places. Good luck! Mich>
Randall Douglas

Hardiness of Pajama Cardinals vs. Banggai Cardinals   2/13/07
Hi again crew,
I have been having the same problems with Banggai Cardinalfish that I have read about on your site-- they cease to eat, start breathing rapidly, and then die.
<Does happen... and all too often... and this should not be the case... That is, Apogonids such as these can be, should be raised in captivity... regionally... and be well-ready to withstand the rigors of moving, captivity...>
All of this happens very quickly. I'm not sure, but I think I remember them having stringy, white feces as well.
Recently, I lost eight! I bought these eight in groups of three, three, and two, so they did not all come from the same shipment.  I quarantined them in a 30 gallon bare tank, first all together, and then separated the next batch into three 10-gallon compartments. I tried FW dips before quarantining, and when that batch died, I skipped the FW dip. None of this made any difference.  I have kept many more difficult fish successfully, but I just can't keep the Banggais alive (yes, the water parameters are all where they should be).
<Mmm... I want to say a few things (thanks for this prompting)... the vast majority of Pterapogon ARE cultured (somewhat), but still imported (from Indonesia mainly)... and they ARE way too often BUNK! Your experiences are not atypical...>
The only answer I can comes up with is the mysterious parasite  I have read about which supposedly infects Banggai Cardinals. I was told the fish I purchased were tank-raised, but who knows if this is true-- and maybe tank-raised Banggais carry this parasite as well.
So here is my question: are Pajama Cardinals susceptible to the same parasite?
<... not as far as I'm aware, but have not seen definitive proof of such a parasitic involvement in the high incidental mortality of this species>
I have not seen much written on your site about the Pajamas since they have been so overshadowed by the popularity of the Banggais.
<Are old-timey favorites... the two principal species...>
Have you been receiving emails with Pajama Cardinals suffering from the same symptoms and dropping dead?
<Not as far as I recall, no>
Also, I read that while a group of Pajama Cardinals will establish a pecking order, they do not display conspecific aggression ( aggression to other  Pajama Cardinals, if I used the term incorrectly) to nearly the same degree as Banggai Cardinals, making it easier to keep them in a group. Is this true in your experience, or reports from your readers?
<Mmm, yes... though Sphaeramia can indeed be territorial... though not as often to as the degree as Banggais>
As always, thanks for taking the time to read this and for offering your advice.
Art
<Thank you for asking. Bob Fenner>

Question on where to acquire Apogon leptacanthus in the U.S.?
Hi Bob,
<Anthony Calfo in his stead>
I've been searching for these cardinals (A. leptacanthus) for a while now.
I've contacted The Marine Center, who is usually good about finding rare fish 
<agreed... a fine choice>
(but they told me they only come along as a "fluke") and Walt Smith, who lists these as one of his products, but he replied back and said that he doesn't believe he exports these at this time.
I noticed that next to your description by the photo of these fish, you mention they're from a friend's tank? 
Would you happen to know where they were purchased or of another source where I may be able to find these fish?
<Hmmm... Bob can check this out when he returns from Indonesia>
Thank you very much! I really find your site helpful and useful!
Thomas
<let me suggest too that one of the very best places to get rare and cherry picked fishes is by contacting an aquarium service person in LA (use Internet Yellow Pages). These are chaps that visit the biggest wholesalers several times weekly in the course of their business and can keep and eye out for you and monitor status of special orders. SDC, Quality Marine, Walt Smith and a dozen other of the biggest wholesales are all virtually within walking distance of each other. Do consider hiring a jobber to peep for you. Best regards, Anthony>

Looking for marine fishes for research
Dear Sir or Madam:
<Hello>
My name is Kim Akers, a research biologist at the New Jersey State Aquarium.   We are trying to purchase ~30 Pterapogon mirifica and possibly as many Vincentia conspersa.  We are interested in obtaining live fish to conduct a study on their reproductive biology in comparison with other Cardinalfish, and for some phylogenetic work.
Would you have any ideas on whom I should contact?  I have tried almost every online US fish store and supplier, plus several more in other countries, to no avail.  If you have any thoughts, I would appreciate hearing them...
<I have cc'd friends/associates in the marine livestock wholesale industry above. I am confident they will follow-up and contact you in turn. If you would like my further assistance, please feel free to contact me here. Bob Fenner>
Best regards,
Kimberly Akers
Research Biologist
NJ State Aquarium

Looking for marine fishes for research
Wow, thanks for the prompt reply and for sending this request out....I'll be keeping my fingers crossed!
<Glad to be of service, link between the science and trade. As stated, please make it known if these folks don't get back to you expediently, and I'll do some prodding. Bob Fenner>

Cardinal Solo?
I would really like a Banggai Cardinal for my 50 SW.  However, I know this is a schooling fish and only have room for one.  Will a single Banggai do o.k., or will the lack of schooling stress it out?
<Not particularly. I have seen them kept successfully in groups in larger aquariums. The problem in groups is that one or more of the fish will "fall out of favor" with the "alpha" fish, resulting in the individual being subjected to constant harassment, which can lead to. well- you get the picture! One will do just fine! Good luck Regards, Scott F>

Cardinal Fish
Hello, I would like to know if the Banggai or spotted cardinal fish is the easiest overall to keep.
<This fish is very hardy, but so are many others.>
I have heard that the lights should be kept off most of the time with these fish as they are nocturnal.
<I have not heard this.>
Is this true?  
<I have not heard this, but wouldn't they just come out when the lights are off?>
Also, is it better to get a pair of three?  
<Depends on the tank size and other inhabitants.>
Thank You.
<Take care James, Don>
James

 


 

 

 

 

 

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