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FAQs on Genus Chaetodontoplus Angels Disease
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Chaetodontoplus personifer in
quarantine, hlth. 02/27/2008
Hello WWM Crew,
<<G'Morning, Andrew today>>
Let me just say that I love your site and read over the new FAQs several times a
week but this time I couldn't find anything similar to my situation.
<<Lets cure your lust for knowledge>>
The other day I walked into a LFS and spotted 2 very small (1" and 1.5")
personifer angels for only $28! I asked them to hold the slightly larger one for
me and went home and set up a 10 gallon quarantine tank. On the first day he
seemed fine but mostly hid in a large plastic coral. On the second day he was
swimming about normally and ate some frozen food. On the third morning I woke to
discover him "breaching" at the top of the tank and swimming erratically. Soon
after he just lay on the floor of the tank looking washed out and breathing
heavily. I immediately performed a 30% water change and dosed the tank with
triple-sulfur. 2 hours later he was fine, swimming normally and feeding again. 2
more days have passed and he is feeding well and behaving normally. I have been
changing 10L of water each day, should I do anything more to help this little
guy out? What would have caused his strange behaviour? I couldn't see any sign
of external parasites. Could it have been Ammonia poisoning from the uncycled
quarantine tank?
<<Yikes.....Yes, certainly...A quarantine is basically just a miniature marine
system, and as such, should always be cycled. The point that the fish changed
for the better after the water change shows that the behaviour is due to this
uncycled tank. For future, what you could do is keep the filter media from the
QT filter in the main display tank as this will cycle the media and keep it in
this state. So, you'll always end up with an instantly cycled quarantine tank.
In your current situation, you need to closely monitor water parameters and keep
the water changes flowing>>
Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated.
Yours Sincerely, Adam Harbeck
<<Thanks for the questions, hope the above helps. A Nixon>>
Re: Chaetodontoplus
personifer in quarantine 03/19/2008
Hello Andrew,
<<Hello again Adam>>
I submitted a question a few weeks ago about a tiny Chaetodontoplus
personifer I purchased on the 22nd of Feb and now I have a follow up
query. The fish has been in quarantine for 25 days now with a water
temperature of 28C, is eating very well and has grown about 0.25cm. As
suggested I have been performing frequent water changes (10l/day).
<<sounds good>>
The other day I noticed a small white spot on the back of his right
pectoral fin. I kind of panicked and performed a pH adjusted freshwater
bath on him and dosed the tank with triple sulphur. He took the bath
very well, just lay on the floor breathing normally patiently waiting
for his 5 minutes to be up, but the spot remains. I have encountered
whitespot in the past but the fish looked like they had been dusted with
white pepper, scratched incessantly, stopped eating and hid. The
behaviour of this fish hasn't changed at all, his colours are still
bright, i haven't seen him scratch once, still eats like a pig and
spends his day displaying to himself in the glass or coming up to beg
for a feed when I enter the room. I have not been adding more triple
sulfur to the tank during changes because I am afraid of poisoning him,
I have been told that angels are very sensitive to medications.
<<indeed...Is this the only spot? Continue to monitor in the quarantine
tank>>
I think by now the concentration would be very low. Should I leave him
be for a couple more weeks to see how he goes? Or should I give him
another bath with some Methylene blue added and add him to the main
tank? I have grown quite fond of the little guy and would hate to lose
him now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
<<Continue to monitor the spot in the QT tank, if this is indeed white
spot, then hypo would be the next step to eradicate the ich>>
Yours Sincerely .. Adam Harbeck
<<hope this helps. A Nixon>> |
Grey Poma
I recently bought a 4" Grey Poma angel. It's in my 60
gallon reef until I'm confident enough to put it in
the 240.
<Good idea>
My water parameters are 0
ammonia, nitrite, nitrate. Temperature is 78. I have 1
marine Betta, 2 green clown gobies, 1 sailfin tang, 1
Wardley's wrasse, and 1 tomato clown. The Angel is
eating, but it's getting skinny. I'm thinking
intestinal parasites.
<Possible>
I feed a lot, but the fish is extremely shy, the tang is a pig. I was wondering
if I took the tang out and put it in the 240 until the Poma
is all nice and fat would make a difference.
<Maybe, or...>
Or I can put the Poma in the 240. the 240 has 6 true perculas,
1 blue damsel, and 2 striped. the water is 76°. It's
been set up for 1.5 months. It's relatively
understocked for now. I'm not sure of the water
parameters. I feed flakes, frozen Mysis, frozen
bloodworms, brine shrimp, Angel Formula. I'm trying to
get it to nibble at the Angel Formula, but the other
fish get to it first. It'll eat everything else.
<I would move this fish... and possibly try soaking whatever it is eating in one of those new "Garlic" materials (or make your own)... I don't endorse their use for "ich" remedying... but have seen positive results for "skinny fish" (presumed intestinal parasite) disorders (especially in Puffers)... And do try placing some new live rock (a type with a maximum amount of sponge and tunicate material on/in it. This will help on a few counts... as food, water conditioner and disrupter of current hierarchies.
Bob Fenner, who would do all this for your Chaetodontoplus soon, like now>
Re: one sided breathing
>Marina, thank you for the advice.
>>You're quite welcome, I hope that it's been of some help.
>Its taken years to accept but I finally realize we all need help from time
to time.
>>I learned a while ago to just give up the idea that I don't need
help. LOL!
>Also, on a positive note my Blue Line (Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis)
angel began breathing from both sides yesterday and respiration slowed to a more
normal rate.
>>Excellent.
>He had not eaten since receiving him which has been five days so I tried
minced clam on the half shell which was received well.
>>Great, getting him started is half the battle.
>Thinking he cannot sustain on clams alone I mixed in frozen Mysis with the
minced clam. How and what other foods do you suggest I introduce, I've refrained
from live brine so far and would like to stay away if possible.
>>I would, too. If you're more concerned with getting him
fattened up, keep giving him the clam (soaked in a good supplement like Selcon),
and you might try instead of the live brine more Mysis. Also offer a
bit of squid, krill, maybe even bits of other fish. Soak everything
in Selcon at this point, once he's on his way then you can reduce it to a few
times a week.
>I've gone through the related files and the forum sections without
success. Of course given the size of your site I probably flew over them, Ha! I
floated a piece of washed spinach but it didn't get touched, I didn't mention
that I set some live rock in for him to graze on, though it hasn't been
successful.
>>Don't give up yet. Do you happen to have on hand one of the
frozen angel formulas? IIRC they also have bits of sponge and whatnot
that the larger angels seem to really like.
>I'm thrilled that he's begun to nibble, its a starting point.
>>Absolutely!
>I've done my research but can't seem to find a whole lot. Any
thoughts?
>>I'll link you to the FAQ, but I'm guessing you already have
it. I'm going to do a quick Google, as well as searching reefs.org. Be
back in a minute!
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/chaetodonoplus/faqs.htm
http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=21&pCatId=1140
http://ichtyonb1.mnhn.fr/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=11124
>>This one searching via Advanced Aquarist online zine
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/cgi-bin/websearch.pl
>>I know this isn't much, but it's a start. I do hope it helps,
especially the one link that speaks more specifically to feeding. I
don't think this angel will be very interested in vegetable matter outside of
the algae it might choose to nibble at. Good luck! Marina
Sick Singapore Angel?
Hello,
<Hi there! Scott F. here today>
My new Singapore Angel has Ich. He is about 4 inches long, good color
and has clear eyes. I went to the store to buy Ich medication
(Rid-Ich), but the owner steered me over to Mardel Copper Safe. He
said I only have to medicate once and with half the prescribed treatment because
of the angel. The angel is in a 10 gallon bare bottomed quarantine
tank. Should I treat with Copper Safe? For how long and
with what amount?
<There is a lot of disagreement about whether or not to use copper with many
angelfish species. I feel that Coppersafe is a good product, but the choice to
use copper is a judgment call on your part. If it were me, I'd rather use a
Formalin-based product than a reduced dosage of Copper. The use of copper is
dependent upon a specific dosage, and should be tested for while in use. All
medications should be administered in a separate aquarium.>
I have had the angel for about a week. Whenever I come into the room
he hides in a cave. He has only eaten live Caulerpa and nothing else. How
long can he go without food? Will he eventually eat? Thank
you for your time. Sam Reef
<Well, Sam, it's important that the fish eats as much food as possible, as
soon as possible. Yes, these fish don't have the best reputation for being easy
feeders. If the fish is ill, this could complicate things, but it is important
to keep food available to the fish. Don't give up! Regards, Scott F.>
Singapore Angel Fish's eye turned bright blue
>Hi, I bought a Singapore Angel Fish about 4 weeks ago. For
the first week it would not eat. After the first week it started
eating and now acts perfectly normal and eats very readily. However
over the past week I have noticed that one of his eyes has swelled up a little
bit and turned blue. I was wondering if you could give me any type of
advice as to what to do. Thanks, John
>>While I'm not familiar with color changes as you've described, I think
it's safe to say that it is very possible he scraped or otherwise injured the
eye. If you're not doing so now, get some Selcon and begin soaking
his food in it. Nutrition and excellent water quality are a fish's
best friend, so address those issues first. Also, go to our home page
to the Google bar and try either "injured eye" or
"exophthalmia". We have very extensive FAQ's on the
subject. Good luck! Marina
Problem With A Poma (Sick Angel)
Dear Scott,
<Hello again!>
I bought a pair of gold-stripe maroon clowns on Wednesday and added them to my
tank with the Grey Poma, but now I have noticed that the Poma has developed
white-spot.
<Yikes! No quarantine? I don't want to scold you now- but...Ya gotta quarantine
all new arrivals to avoid problems like this in the future, okay?>
It is not a really heavy infestation but I know I need
to cure it. The angel has been trying to solicit the boxing shrimp into cleaning
it but I have not yet observed them doing so. The clowns are still free of spots
but what is the best way to go about treating them? I know copper is toxic to
angels, so I bought some Vertaid medication which contains Quinine hydrochloride
and Malachite green from another fish shop and the guy there said to add 1ml per
70l for four days and do partial water changes if
the fish or inverts look stressed.
<Well, some angel species are very sensitive to copper, mainly Centropyge
species. I have used copper on a variety of angels without problems. Of course,
if you are concerned about this medication, I'd recommend a Formalin-based
product as an alternative.>
I impulse bought this product because I did not know what else to do. Should I
treat the whole tank or isolate the fish in a separate tank and do it as it is
going to take a while to set up a
hospital tank?
<Id treat all affected fishes in a separate tank, and let the display run fallow
for a month or so. My advice is to NEVER treat in the display tank.>
He said that he would not recommend a freshwater dip as this
may shock the fish more.
<Well, freshwater dips can be a bit rough on an already-stressed fish. Their
effectiveness can vary, and I would not consider a FW dip a primary treatment
method>
Can you please put me on the right track to treat my fish, I do not want to lose
them. Yours Sincerely Adam Harbeck
<Well, Adam- I'd remove the affected fish to a separate system for treatment,
and let the display tank run without fishes for a month or so. Follow the
manufacturer's instructions to the letter concerning dosage and duration,
regardless of what medication that you choose to use. Follow through and keep
observing your fishes carefully during the process, and I'm sure that your fish
will make it through fine! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Angelfish with Rapid Breath
Hello,
<Hi! Ryan Bowen with you today>
I recently bought a Personifer angelfish. about 4-5"
with full colored face. Its currently in a 46gallon
bow front QT tank, with a Fluval 304, and a 4 watt UV
sterilizer. <Great to hear> Its swimming around normally, its
breathing rapidly. I've had angelfish before and I
know they breathe a little slower. Tank is fully
cycled, there's only a trace of nitrates. Its not
eating, but I only got it two days ago, so I'm not
entirely worried... yet. I just want to know if
there's something that I don't see is wrong. <Ammonia? Also check for gill
flukes.> I have
black garbage bags that I've cut to make a makeshift
"kelp forest" to ease its acclimation and to give it a
sense of security. It doesn't appear to be stressed
because it approaches the tank when I put my face near
it, but the rapid breathing has me worried. <Yes, I'd be nervous as well> any
insights would be greatly appreciated. Also I gave it
a F/W bath before putting it into the tank. But like I
said, it doesn't appear to be stressed except for the
rapid breathing. well over 80 gill movements a minute.
<I'd give him a few days, but keep an eye on water quality and gills for
disease. I'd execute daily water changes to keep things fresh in the
QT. Thanks, good luck! Ryan>
Lost my Conspic :( 7/16/06
Hello WWM Crew.
<Jeff>
I had a tragic loss of my Conspicillatus Angel after two and a half years of
healthy living he is gone. I had noticed over the last 6 months
his breathing had increased and he loved the bubbles. His appetite up until the
last day was voracious as usual. I always looked in the gill
plates for any sign of problems but did not see anything (still bright red and
full). When I came home the other night I noticed his breathing
was beyond rapid. I called my fish guy at 11:00 pm to come over and help.
<... some service!>
After looking at the gills again we noticed a huge (about the size of a nickel)
white bulbous growth tucked deep inside the gill plates
(because now his gills were flared wide open to get o2). We agreed that in the
morning we would "cut " whatever it was out
<!>
to save the fish because it wouldn't make it if he continued like this.
Unfortunately by 7:00 AM he past away. The fish guy did a post op on him and
said he
found a "goiter" in his gill plates,
<Not uncommon>
one large one and a smaller one on the other side. I unfortunately do not have a
pic of it but is it common, rare or even possible for angels to get them (I only
saw
references on rays and sharks)?
<All vertebrates and some invertebrate groups are subject to these tumorous
growths... Generally associated with endocrine malfunction, in turn related to a
nutritional, chemical deficiency>
or could there have been a copepod or some type of parasite that fits the bill?
<Mmm, this is also a possibility. Would need to examine the growth>
It did look more like a "tumorous" growth than parasitic but I would hate to
search for another beautiful fish like that and not know what I would be dealing
with.
Best Regards,
Jeffrey G. Schoor
<Sorry to realize your loss... Might I ask, were/are you of the habit of using
vitamin/supplements and/or iodine/ide/ate on a regular basis? Bob Fenner>
Re: Lost my Conspic :( 7/16/06
Hi Bob,
<Jeff>
I do use vitamins and supplements for my fish that contain iodine but I did not
use additional iodine. I guess I should start. My tank is 400 gallon fish only
what types of supplements would you recommend?
Thanks for the quick response
Jeffrey
<Mmm, well, it takes actually very little iodine to prevent Chromaffin Tissue
(homologous to Thyroid, Parathyroid in "higher vert.s) deficiency syndromes...
If you are adding such weekly (a good practice to time with water changes,
general maintenance, this should "do it". Our collective input on this issue
here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/vitaminmarfaqs.htm
and http://www.wetwebmedia.com/iodfaqs.htm
Bob Fenner> |
Triple Sulfa and Maracyn
Plus... Chaetodonoplus, Angel dis. period
11/12/07
Hi Crew,
I have a gray Poma angel that was great for 2 months at the pet store. I brought
him home and put in my 125 gallon FOWLR and was doing well for a few weeks. His
fins starting getting cloudy and frayed and he had like white patches under his
side fins that would look bloody at times.
<Environmental... possibly with a social component>
Well I removed him and treated him in a QT tank with triple sulfa and he did
great with treatment which was a 4 day treatment. I put him back in the 125 tank
and it came back during the course of a week.
<... same env.>
I removed again and treated again this time twice and once again he looked great
even better since I treated him for 8 days. The instructions said I could treat
twice if need be. Well this time after treatment I didn't return him to the 125
and did 50 percent water changes daily for the last 4 days in QT and can see his
fins are starting to turn cloudy again since he finished his 8 day treatment.
<Cumulative stress>
It says I can use triple sulfa in the main display tank without hurting the bio
filter.
<Yes, generally>
Is this true? I'm afraid to do that. My levels are all great. 0 Ammonia 0
nitrites and 20 and under nitrates. This fish was in a small 20 gallon for at
least 2 months and did great health wise but always looked scared and was hiding
in the pet store.
<Also env.>
I bring him home and he keeps getting fin rot? His tank mates are 1 clown and a
small Kole tang that have o interest in him. Its driving me nuts and I'm afraid
to put him back. I started treatment today in the QT with Maracyn plus. The
instructions were clear with the triple sulfa but are not with the Maracyn plus
except to treat on days 1 3 and 5. Nothing about partial water changes during
treatment?
<Monitor water quality, change-out as necessary, re-medicate...>
Are if I do a fifty percent daily water changes do I add Maracyn plus to make up
for the water change? One last thing the fish does not seem stressed and eats
well in the main tank and QT. He did stop eating right before I started the
original treatment is why I started and he was eating again the second day once
treatment was
started. Thanks in advance
<This is NOT a pathogenic condition... What would really help is a refugium,
mud... macroalgae, DSB there... It's the environment that needs improving... not
the symptoms of the angel that need medicating. Bob Fenner>
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