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FAQs about Cleaner Shrimp Reproduction
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Website address change (Note: chg on Shrimp, Lysmata pgs)
Hello,
Your link to my webpage, "How To Raise & Train Your Peppermint
Shrimp" (listed under Business--Publications) has an old URL. The new
address is www.lysmatapublishing.com. The old address redirects you to the new
URL for now, but it will soon be a "broken link".
Thanks for your time, A. Kirkendoll
<Thank you for the update. Will change. Bob Fenner> |
Raising cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) 3/8/07
Hi all!
<Hello again Jared! (How are the Clowns and Butterfly?>
This letter is in particular for Graham but I welcome anyone's help.
In a reply to someone's query about cleaner shrimp eggs, Graham made the
comment, "Please let me know if you're still interested in raising the fry and I
will hook you up with some excellent information about raising cleaner shrimp."
<I did? No... I didn't. Oh, wait. You read the post answered by the *former*
Graham, and I am the current Graham (GrahamT on purpose).>
I have been trying to gather as much info as I can and was hoping Graham, or any
of you other very knowledgeable folks, might be able to direct me towards some
of this excellent information.
<Will see if BobF has links to this info for you.>
Thank-you in advance,
Jared
<-GrahamT>
<<Yes... some standard pet-fish citations embedded here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clrshrpreprofaqs.htm
and here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimpreprofaqs.htm
BobF>>
Tiny Shrimp 7/22/06
Hey Crew,
<Hi>
Was just scouring over your site and reading the articles about skunk banded
cleaner shrimp. My tank is just about 8 months old now and I have only had one
shrimp for some time now. The other day the shrimp molted and had left some
eggs in the molt. So, I left it for a day until the shrimp had taken them all
from the molt and placed them again in her swimmerets. <Good> Now, tonight as I
was watching the tank (Mind you I look every night just to see what I have as
far as a nightlife in the tank) <I love doing that.> I noticed that there were
thousands of what look like teeny brine shrimp in the tank. (Zooplankton
perhaps?) <Yep> Now, I know I have a hearty supply of both amphipods and
copepods but they scatter when the light hits them. These little things swarm to
the light like moths to a flame. <I have had these before as well, basically
just one type of plankton. Fish love them by the way, my wrasse use to go nuts
over these things.> If they are not shrimp and are zooplankton, where would
they have come from all of a sudden? <Normal waxing and waning of
populations. They have always been there, just not in large numbers.>
I have not made any new additions to the tank, and the only thing that I have
been feeding that is not a frozen or prepared food is some phytoplankton for my
feather duster. I know this is freeze dried so I am going to assume the
likelihood of some type of egg surviving the process and hatching in the
aquarium is slim to none. <But does make a nice food source for small shrimp.>
Either way I am happy to see a new life in the tank, but again, even if this is
not the case with the shrimp, I was curious if there have been any documented
cases of single shrimp fertilizing and rearing young on their own?
<The shrimp are hermaphrodites so I guess it is possible, but the offspring as
so fragile after birth it is nearly impossible to raise these with very
specialized tanks. These little shrimp are just normal microfauna that comes
and goes in tanks. Interestingly I have also seen these in the wild while night
diving. Get some lights and these things come running, followed closely by
giant Manta Rays to eat them. Quite a sight for sure.>
Thanks for your time,
John
<Anytime>
<Chris>
Peppermint Shrimp Babies...Yummy, Yummy, Yummy - 5/18/2006
Hello (and thanks for any help),
<Hello Ron, and you're welcome.>
I have a 30 gallon reef tank with 10 different soft corals, some hermit crabs, a
few Emerald crabs, a Halloween crab, lots of snails and everybody is doing just
great at the one year anniversary of starting this system. In fact, several of
the corals are growing much faster than I thought possible. A Taro Tree Coral
has split off pieces and I now have 6 separate ‘colonies’ that are as big or
bigger than the piece I started with!
<Good to hear.> I had a small Clown and a Flame Angel but they didn’t survive
the crash of a power head into the sandy bottom several months ago. The suction
cups had let go from the glass side of the aquarium, so it is now hard mounted.
The sand was stirred by both the intake and output of the pump and went I saw it
first thing in the morning the fish were both dead already. Everybody else is
doing fine. I had some Aiptasia (sp?) starting to grow in the tank so I bought 3
Peppermint shrimp. In a few days the anemones were gone. Great! One of the
shrimp then gave birth to a huge number of offspring (50… maybe even 100?).
Since there are no fish or other carnivores, the baby shrimp seem to be doing
great. It has been 8 to 10 weeks and they are starting to get bigger (bigger as
in from tiny dots at first to 1/8 to 3/16ths on an inch now). My questions are:
How long before they are big enough to fend off small carnivorous fish?
<When they are not bite size, some time from now.> How long before the reach
‘full size’ as adults? How long is their ‘normal’ life span? What should I
expect the survival rate to be?
<All these questions depend on diet, food availability, water quality, etc.>
Thanks again, <You’re welcome.>
<Ron, do keep us informed on the baby progression and anything you may do/have
done to
increase survivability rate. James (Salty Dog)>
Ron
Re: Peppermint Shrimp Babies...Yummy, Yummy, Yummy - 05/19/2006
Dear Salty Dog, <Ron> OK, lets assume good water quality and proper feeding,
how long can a peppermint shrimp live? Just a big ballpark number would be
helpful. I will keep you informed as to the kids progress. I am setting up a 75
gallon tank to move some of the coral and also to allow me to get a few fish.
The shrimp will stay in the 30 gallon tank. <Ron, cannot answer as to how long
they live. Suggest you do a Google search for this info. I can tell you that
at maturity, they do reach a length of 1.8”. James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks,
<You're welcome>
Ron
Nursery ... Lysmata, Neon Gobies repro. 2/22/06
Hello aquarium gurus! <Hello Norris.>
I have a question (obviously)
I have a 46 gallon bowfront tank with the following inhabitants
-2 false percula clownfish
-2 neon gobies
-2 skunk cleaner shrimp
-3 yellow tailed damsels
-1 yellow tang
- lots of live rock
-various corals (including mushrooms, button polyps, and a pumping xenia)
-cerith snails
-Nassarius snails
-red legged, reef hermit crabs
-a few Trochus snails
-1 margarita snail
I have reason to believe that one of my shrimp is carrying eggs in the little
fan-like flippers on her abdomen. <Very likely.> I also think one of my neons is
pregnant. It has "bloated", and is now either obese or full of little eggs. This
was all very exciting, but I've been reading (largely on your site) that the
other fish (and I'm looking at the damsels as I write this) will promptly gobble
up all eggs, larvae, and fry that dare to be born. <Yummy, yummy, yummy I've got
eggs in my tummy...>
So... I was already thinking of buying a 20 gallon refugium/sump, with compact
fluorescent lighting for my tank... I'm thinking that I could place the future
mothers in the refugium, allow them to give birth, and then put them back into
the main tank. Could the refugium be used as sort of a nursery? I don't have a
quarantine tank... a crime to be ashamed of, if I've gotten anything out of my
readings.
Is there something wrong with this idea, or is it worth a try? <You would have a
difficult time to say the least, providing the right kind of food to rear the
shrimp. Neon gobies have/are bred in captivity and the same problem goes along
with a proper food supply. Do read FAQ's on this subject here. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/gobyreprofaqs.htm>
AND
If I do get a bunch of healthy shrimp and neon gobies, what should I do with
them? Where can I sell them? <If it ever develops to that stage I'm sure local
shops would take them off your hands for a fair price.>
Also, I'm thinking of layering an additional inch of finer, live sand over my
current substrate, loose coral rubble. I want either a mandarin, a diamond
watchman goby, or a sleeper banded goby, and they need a nice, sandy bottom.
Sound OK? <Yes other than the mandarin is going to require a well developed
tank with plenty of live rock and copepods to survive. Very few adapt to
prepared foods. James (Salty Dog)>
Humbly yours,
Norris, OR
Coral Banded Shrimp Attacked My Anemone II -
02/08/06
Hello!
<<Hey there Janie!>>
Just had to follow up on the CBS. He still pokes at the Condy from time
to time but nothing vicious.
<<Excellent!>>
But....I am so excited....I came home from work tonight and shined the
flashlight in the tank just to make my bedtime check.
<<Something we all should do periodically...many more wonders to
discover once the lights go out.>>
The shrimp were out and about as usual but I noticed the female doing an
odd dance. Upon further inspection she was raking her legs across her
belly and expelling thousands of tiny little shrimp babies.
<<Neat!>>
It was amazing! This is soooo cool! How often do they do this?
<<Hmm, not sure...I would guess some 4-6 times a year maybe...the female
carries the youngsters for a bit after hatching. Do have a peek here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/shrimp/corlband.htm
>>
I knew she was carrying eggs but I never expected to actually see them
hatch.
<<Happens quite often really, though few actually witness the event as
you did. And I'm sure you're aware, the young shrimp are/will be
'relished' by most everything in the tank.>>
Well, just had to share. There's never a dull moment in my aquarium.
<<Thank you for your input, EricR>>
Shrimp Procreation and Affects on Other Inhabitants 1/10/06
Hi
<'Lo.>
I have to skunk cleaner shrimp that has what I think are little green egg on
there underside.
<Quite common for these critters to reproduce in captive life, rearing the fry
is another story altogether.>
Now I was wondering how long does it take them to hatch
<I have a trio in my tank, and they seem to be constantly pregnant, releasing
the clutch about every 2 weeks.>
and when they do hatch will the anemone eat the newly hatched shrimp
<The anemone will enjoy a free meal as will everything else in your tank. This
anemone could also snag your adult shrimp and any slow moving fish if they
aren't careful - eek!>
and if so is this good for him.
<A natural food source, quite good.>
Thanks in advanced
--Sbatiste
<No trouble, Adam J.>
Lysmata amboinensis Reproduction - 12/20/2005
Hello ANYONE at the Waikiki Aquarium!
<Or WetWebMedia as the case may be.>
I have tried repeatedly to have someone respond to my email so I have copied as
many employees as possibly in hopes of finding a simple soul, who would be kind
enough to take a little time to respond. I am trying to find out if what I have
is true - successful spawning of the shrimp Lysmata amboinensis.
<Happens sometimes.>
There is very little documentation on the web but I know your institute has
successfully raised this species. Can you assist me or put me in contact with
your biologist to help identify what I think may be the case in my home
aquarium? My data is as follows...
I have 3 adult cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) in a 150g tank (with corals,
live rock, assorted fish), 2 protein skimmers & 1 canister. Tank is 10 months
old now. As others have, I checked out the tank at night and I noticed copepods,
amphipods, and within a few weeks ago, baby shrimp. They are distinctly shrimp;
hundreds crawling around, very fast, on the rocks with flashlight revealing
orange eyes. Sizes range from 1mm to 5-6mm. I've read all the difficulty in
breeding these BUT, they have very few predators,
lots of places to hide, and I mix up a whole bunch of different food (including
phytoplankton). How can I get a positive ID on these?
<Try here http://www.breedersregistry.org/
>
I've included some pics of a few juveniles under my microscope (sorry - pictures
with a webcam), and a pic of one of the adults.
<Sorry, none came through.>
Only other shrimp is a single Coral Banded. I can provide more data if
necessary.
<What we have is located here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clrshrpreprofaqs.htm
>
Thanks - Dave Ehlert
<You're welcome. - Josh>
Cleaner Shrimp Love (Queue up the Captain and Tenille!) 11/4/05
Hi guys - thanks again for the fantastic site. Your archives have helped me out quite a bit and I've spent more than a few evenings
reading through your site. Good thing I'm already married, this hobby doesn't lend itself to a social life very well.
<Mmmm...>
When I got up this morning I noticed a clutch of green eggs under both of my Skunk Cleaner's tails. I have to say that they're probably the
most interesting part of my tank. They're very aggressive about feedings. When I feed my fish, my shrimp will chase them down to try
and steal some food from their mouths. They're often successful. My poor clowns have had bits of shrimp or flake food stolen from them as
they were trying to eat it.
<Happens>
I'd like to give raising the eggs a shot. I did some reading through the FAQs on the
subject (specifically: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimpreprofaqs.htm) and the Breeder's
Registry. I've come up with a plan for raising the eggs that I'd like to pass by you to see what you think.
I have an 8 gallon Eclipse that I could use as a rearing tank. I read on the Breeder's Registry that the eggs turn silver a few days before
they hatch,
<... if they're fertile, fertilized...>
so I was going to move the shrimp when that happened. The Eclipse also has slightly rounded corners. I read that corners would
kill baby shrimp (although I don't quite understand how).
<From bumping into them repeatedly>
I'd use water from the main tank to fill the new one. The only things I'd have in the rearing tank would be an airstone and a heater. I'd do
a 2 gallon water change once a day. Once the young'ins hatch, I'd move the parents back to the main tank to prevent them from snacking. I
would feed the babies Phyto and Formula One flakes. Am I missing anything?
<Mmm, nope, not as far as I can see.>
The other idea was to leave them in the display tank. I'm undergoing an Ich outbreak and I'll be moving all of my fish into my QT tonight. That
the tank will be fish free for that time is kind of fortunate. All that will be in my tank will be the shrimp, hermits, snails, an emerald
crab and my coral (hammer coral, Actinodiscus mushrooms, Ricordea, xenia elongata, button polyps), there's nothing predatory other than the
mushrooms and hammer and there would be tons of places for them to hide. I'm thinking that this route would help out the cause since I
wouldn't be stressing the shrimp by moving them. The water would be more stable in the main tank and there's more hiding places.
<... most of these cnidarians are planktivorous... will eat the young>
My display tank is 70 gallons - 18"x18"x48" (I can give you more tank parameters if you need it - not sure that it's all
relevant and this email has gotten long enough). I have about 1300 gph of flow going
through it. I would think that I'd have to remove the 3 power heads in it so that the babies don't get sucked up and crunched, which would mean
that the only flow would be coming from the sump (about 600gph) Am I on the right track or should I just let nature take it's course?
<I would>
Survival of the fittest, you know.
<Not always and not for long...>
Thanks for any help you can give!
Jeff
<Good luck, life to you. Bob Fenner>
Not everyone wants a partner….lone cleaner shrimp with eggs 10/3/05
Hello guys.
<Hello James, Adam with you.>
I came home today and am really shocked. I noticed what looks like and I
hope ‘is’ roe on my cleaner shrimp. However, he/she is the only shrimp in
the tank and for that matter any of my tanks. Is this normal (obviously it
is possible as I am seeing it)? <Its not unheard of.> Having only one shrimp I
never expected to see this sight… Please respond as I am confused by what I see.
The stuff
looks like greenish-blue tiny little eggs clustered on the abdominal area.
<As I said above its not unheard of though “usually” it doesn’t happen. The
eggs may or may not be fertile, chances are they are not. In any even when the
shrimp does release the eggs it will make a nice snack for your microfauna and
any other inverts or small fish you may have.>
Thank you., James Zimmer
<No problem, Adam J.>
Re: Not everyone wants a partner….lone cleaner shrimp with eggs 10/4/05
Thank you Adam.
<Anytime.>
I was not aware that this would happen without another shrimp in the tank...
<Its not to common they carry eggs alone but at the least it’s a good sign that
the shrimp is healthy and feels confident enough in his/her environment to
breed.> Oh, I guess Clyde (the shrimp's name) should actually be
Claudia. <Freaky little buggers aren’t they?> Yes, I
know they are hermaphroditic... lol I didn't really think anything was wrong
but it just seemed strange.
<Just another marvel of life on the reef…..or reef tank that is.>
Again, thank you. James
<No problem James, Adam J.>
Re: Not everyone wants a partner….lone cleaner shrimp with eggs 10/5/05
Adam.
<James.>
Actually, my little one is quite friendly (prefers hand feeding and gives a
good finger cleaning) <Hehe, mine does this too, it hurts when he pulls of my
hangnails though.> and a friend mentioned that he thought it strange that
his stays in basically one spot while mine scurries here and there all over
the tank (new home 55 gallons). <Some are bolder than others are. The group I
have stays in one spot together during the day and then dance around the entire
tank at night. Just different personalities.> When I first got her/him, the
place called home was my 5-gallon starter tank and the territory was confined to
the heater: discourtesy of the Royal Gramma who was there first. I attributed
the movement to freedom and not being pecked at by a very territorial little
fish. <I’m sure the shrimp appreciated the new confines.> However, most times I
have seen these little creatures they are only in one spot in friend's tanks or
at dealers. Whatever, 'normal' behavior is mine seems to be very content and
that is how I want it to stay if at all
possible. Of my fishes (Foxface, Firefish, Royal Gramma, and 2 {deceased}
Scooter Blennies <Dragonets aren’t easy fish and the Foxface at an adult length
of 10” or more will eventually outgrow your 55.> the shrimp is hands down my
favorite with the most personality. <I agree they are neat creatures.> I was
considering getting a companion for it but I hated the
idea of them maybe not getting along since the buys would be separate.
<Usually they get along.>
I now have some options: I am going to turn the 5 into a quarantine tank and
I got a 24 Nano-Cube (idea here is more or less an invert/species tank)
because it basically came ready to run with lots of good lighting and
filtration (the 5 is terrible but ok for quarantine). <It is fine for the QT of
small inverts, not really suitable for fish.> Now I can have a place
for the corals or other fish that may need to be separated if necessary
where as before I really had no options.
<Just have fun with it James, don't over think it.>
James
<Adam J.>
Cleaner Shrimp Larvae 8/26/05
Hello all,
I was checking out my refugium tonight(2:30am) and discovered what appears
to be shrimp larvae. I would say there is at least a dozen swimming or
running around, and more that I can't see, I'm sure. They are clear and
range from 2-5mm or so. But I can identify the shrimp shape for sure. I do
have 2 skunk cleaner shrimp and 1 peppermint shrimp in the 120 gallon reef
tank. But have never seen eggs. It is also surprising that the larvae have
made it to the refugium via overflow AND power head.
Will the refugium be safe for the larvae (only macro algae, copepods, and
amphipods live here)?
And will they feed on any of the previously mentioned critters?
I understand that raising the cleaner shrimp(?) is very difficult, but just
inquiring.
Thanks kindly,
Ej
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimpreprofaqs.htm
and:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clrshrpreprofaqs.htm
Bob Fenner>
Raising Lysmata shrimp
I was just wondering if someone is still having success at breeding Lysmata
amboinensis, and wondering if you had any information on settlement cues. I
believe it is possible to raise larval shrimp to adult in around 14 weeks is
that correct? If you have any information on this topic of raising these shrimp
it would be most appreciated. I have read just about all that is on the internet
and appears you the people at the Waikiki aquarium re the only ones that are
successfully breeding Lysmata amboinensis
< Well the best thing I can do is to give
you Andy Rhyne's email address. He is in Florida working on his PhD. He is the
world's king of these things and is a master at their reproduction and
husbandry. But don't tell him you got his email address from me
XXX001@hotmail.com >
Many thank
Chris
< Blundell >
Raising cleaner shrimp 7/19/05
Hello hopefully I have got it right this time.
My questions are:
1 Is KENT MARINE ZOOPLEX a suitable first food for the larvae?
<Can work>
2 Do I need to remove the parent shrimp after the eggs have hatched?
<Yes>
3 Is an air driven sponge filter suitable?
<Might be... along with water changes (very slow, gradual) with matched
quality...>
My shrimp is currently in my hospital tank which has been cleaned out and filled
with water from my main reef tank .
Any advise you can give will be gratefully received .
Thank you SIMON
<There are a few works in print re culture of Palaemonids... I would invest. Bob
Fenner>
Cleaner Shrimp/Eggs
Good day! <And a good day to you, David>
I have a pair of skunk cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) in my salt
water tank that have a lot of fun knocking each other up. One interesting
thing I've noticed is that it seems like the eggs will appear, disappear,
and then reappear. Last Thursday (June 9 for those keeping score at home)
one of the two no longer seemed to have its eggs. As of Friday (June 10),
neither shrimp had any of their green eggs visible. When I came back to
work on Monday (June 13) they both have swimmerettes full of bright green
eggs. I'm a bit confused as to what is going on....
1) Are the eggs changing color and becoming camouflaged or otherwise
difficult to see?
2) Did the eggs get launched as weekend fish food and then the shrimp
quickly reproduced to make more eggs?
3) Are my shrimp practicing their ability to make their eggs appear and
disappear and then reappear in a few days in a bold and lucrative attempt
to replace Penn and Teller in the Las Vegas scene?
The only other bit of information I can shed is that at least one of the
shrimp molted over the weekend, as I noted some of the molting caught up in
my filter (not sure if that is related or coincidence).
Thanks again for you time, <Would not worry about it David. And yes, they
will end up as food. My guess is the shrimp know when they are molting and
removed the eggs from the swimmerettes, then after molting was complete,
gathered up the eggs and attached them back in the swimmerettes. James
(Salty Dog)>
David
Breeding Lysmata [Cleaner Shrimp]
Dear Bob,
<<not Bob, but JasonC - Bob is away diving>>
I have several pairs of Lysmata debelius shrimps. I have been trying to get them
to mate for a couple of months. they constantly molt and are old enough to mate
(3.5-4cm length). conditions are constant.. temp at 27 degrees Celsius, salinity
at 34-35ppt. they feed an grow and have shown no major signs of being stressed.
however they have not been producing any eggs, which they would carry under
their tail. I have added a filter of 1000 micron to the water flowing through my
system to catch any larvae if they are produced and have not found anything.
should I just be patient or is something not right? how influential is light to
reproduction of these shrimps? at present they are under natural light, near a
window.
<<I'm afraid I don't have any experience with these. My quick guess would
be that many of the shrimps need a more salt-marsh/lagoon/tidal pond-type
environment to successfully breed. I would likewise guess that the light does
have influence... is that the only light on the tank? If I were you, I would
pose this same question on the WWM forum which is patrolled by many
knowledgeable, friendly folk - and someone just might have done this. http://talk.wetwebfotos.com/
>>
thanks, Avinash Singh
<<Best of luck in this endeavor. Cheers, J -- >>
Breeding Shrimp
We have a pair of Lysmata amboinensis in our tank, the large of the 2 has
been in there for about a year now - the 2nd one we added about 4 months ago,
and is a little smaller than the other. A few days ago - the larger one appeared
to have lots of little green "eggs"
(for lack of another term) in the swimmerets under the backside.
<No better term needed, in this case, that is what they are, fertilized
eggs.>
It was interesting - we saw her (assuming) perched on a piece of live rock,
"playing" with them, she had the swimmerets tilted out, and it was
almost like she was moving the "eggs" around. Well, this morning - the
other shrimp has em now. They both do!
<Yes, they are hermaphroditic, both able to function as both sexes
simultaneously.>
The interesting thing is that this morning, we caught the larger one almost
chasing the smaller one - going at the smaller one with her pinchers. In fact,
she got the smaller one in the tail, and the smaller one jumped and some of the
little things came out of the swimmeret's.
<Now that sounds kind of strange.>
Are they eggs, and if so - can we do anything with them? Bill Yazji
<I can give you a couple of leads if you wish to pursue raising the babies.
The Summer 2002 issue of SeaScope, a free newsletter from Aquarium Systems that
comes out quarterly, has a related article on breeding Lysmata rathbunae. Also,
check out the Breeder's Registry, an online source for captive rearing
information. -Steven Pro>
Breeding Shrimp II
I would be interested in attempting to raise them. Is it something very
difficult?
<I would not describe the process as easy, but it could be worth the
effort.>
I had attempted to view the Breeders Registry, but the link wasn't working for
me.
<It did not work for me, either. Perhaps a problem with the server this
evening. I did find a few online articles with a quick search.
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/SeaScope/v11_sumr/shrimp.htm
Thanks - as usual! ~Bill
<Good luck! -Steven Pro>
Cleaner Shrimp
Howdy!
<Hi Cathy! How's it going down there?>
Just yesterday (I think) there was a question regarding Cleaner Shrimp on the
Daily FAQ page - now I can't find it. The reason I am looking for articles - I
have two Lysmata amboinensis (cleaner shrimp with white markings on the tail) -
and both are carrying green matter in the lower part of the tail and that look
like the tiniest of green dots.
<These are eggs.>
Does this mean I have two females?
<It means you have two males and two females, but only two shrimp total.
Confusing? You should try being the shrimp. They are hermaphroditic.>
They have been carrying these "dots" for about two weeks - maybe it is
something else?
<No, it is a textbook description of eggs. They should change color to an
orange/red in a few days.>
I've tried using the google search for WWM, but nothing about this shows up. At
first, I thought this was because I had a green algae bloom in my tank, and they
ate the algae. But the bloom is gone, and the green remains. Any ideas, help
would be appreciated! If a picture is needed, I can get one :-)
Cathy in Texas <><
<The article I referenced on the Daily page is here http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
Chat with you later! -Steven Pro>
Raising Cleaner Shrimp Babies
Dear crew:
I have just collected the larvae of my cleaner shrimp on a net. I don't know
what to do with them. It is a pity to watch them get "filtered out from my
overflow. Right now, I have them in my net in the main aquarium, with no fish,
since the tank is fallowing. Is there anyway to successfully culture little
cleaner shrimp? What do I need to feed them? And do they need a separate tank to
raise them? Were there any successful breeding trials? Please tell me what to
do!
<It must be that time of year or something. We have received a question about
spawning cleaner shrimp everyday for the past several days. Please take a look
here http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm?
Sincerely, Eric
<Have a nice day! -Steven Pro>
Shrimp Follow Up and Pods
Hello again! Thank you! My fish and crabs will probably eat whatever eggs
these shrimp deposit, eh? Caviar to the salties!
<Them and your corals, too. Excellent food for all!>
Another quick question, do 'pods come in all colors, or just gray?
<I have seen mostly tan to gray.>
I have some REALLY big black ones, twice the size of the gray.
<Interesting, could you send us a picture?>
They love the filter pads and my refugium. I'm not sure what eats them (in my
tank), but I have tons. Here's the fish list, one of each: bi-color blenny,
Foxface, engineer goby, blue/yellow tail damsel, maroon gold bar clown, Firefish,
and the junior angel (Pomacanthus). None are mentioned to eat these
"bugs" in my books.
<Actually, they will all eat some.>
Should I get a mandarin to eat them, or just leave the 'pods?
<I would leave them. They and their spawn are excellent food for fish and
corals as well as having the added benefit of consuming a fair amount of algae,
detritus, uneaten food, etc.>
Thanks once again, your patience is outstanding! -Cathy in Texas <><
<Have a lovely day! -Steven Pro>
Breeding Peppermint Shrimp
Greetings and salutations everyone:
Around 11:00 last night I was giving my reef tank one last check and noticed one
of the Peppermint Shrimp was acting rather erratic. So I turned on my
blue actinic light to make a closer observation, just in time to see one of them
giving birth to hundreds of tiny Peppermints. What a beautiful
sight.
<wow... how wonderful!>
Is there any way to ensure any survivals?
<absolutely. It is somewhat tedious to rear the larva but very possible and
done by many aquarists. Some articles have been written on the subject like
here:
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-10/nftt/
Thee is also a new book written on the subject for interested aquarists just
like you:
http://www.lysmatapublishing.com/shrimp.html
>
I think my LPS corals had a feast last night because I do not see any left this
morning.
>indeed...very good food. Many aquarists keep breeding peppermint shrimp in
fishless refugiums for this purpose>
I also have noticed quite a few of white semi-transparent larva's around
1/8" long with a large mouth and a dual tail on the other end sliding
around on the glass. Does this sound like some kind of
Nudibranch? They seem to be multiplying rather rapidly, should this
be a concern?
<hard to say without an ID or image>
I've also noticed several small brittle stars (around 1/2 inch in length)
hanging around in the live rock. Do they pose any threat?
<nope... very beneficial filter feeders and detritivores>
Besides the obvious physical beauty of our underwater ecosystems, don't you find
it truly inspiring that life always just seems to "find a
way"? What a tribute to our creator!
<remarkable by any definition :) >
My Tube Anemone is growing a little too fast and its tentacles were
getting too close to my candy coral.
<wow... I'm not thrilled about such an aggressive anemone in a tank with
coral or other anemones... I'd remove it to a species tank for proper feeding
any way (without polluting coral tank or starving anemone in the long run>
The Candy Coral has not been a happy camper lately (nitrates got a little high
the other day, .40 PPM, so I quickly made several water changes and things are
already looking a lot better). I relocated the Candy Coral on the
sand. Is this an acceptable location?
<perhaps not... they cannot purge sand easily and may suffer if sprinkled or
buried. Its an unnatural place for this coral>
I wasn't sure it would be happy there as I am rapidly running out of space since
all of this is going on in a 5 gallon nano reef.
<oh, my heavens! Brother, please remove that tube anemone from this tank ASAP
or pull all else to a reef. There are serious issues here with chemical warfare
on your coral beyond issues of actual contact>
I've read your information regarding the feeding of corals and it was very
informative. I purchased some DT's Phytoplankton to supplement the
Corals (one Euphyllia, one Candy, one Hammer, one leather tree coral and
assorted button polyps).
<hmmm.... only the leather tree coral eats (perhaps) a little phytoplankton.
None of the other corals here feed much if at all on phyto. They are zooplankton
feeders. I suspect that the only thing your phyto is feeding is nitrate
levels>
If I feed according to directions, that would be 1/3 tsp in 5 gallons every
other day. Will this amount increase my nitrates or should I just be
concerned with the freshness of the phytoplankton?
<a fine food but inappropriate for these corals>
More along the line of twice a week sounds more reasonable given the size of my
tank. Can you recommend a product for zooplankton that is equally
fresh, besides using a refugium?
<indeed the refugium is best, frozen Cyclop-eeze would be a fine runner up
(hard to find though... an Argent product), fresh hatched baby brine is good
after that (less than 9 hours old). After that, minced meaty foods (Gammarus PE
Mysis shrimp, Pacifica plankton)>
I have been also feeding a frozen food rich in Kill and Sponge but, again, am
concerned with nitrates (is twice a week on this one also
acceptable?).
<way too little food for the LPS corals and definitely not enough for the
tube anemone>
Please don't suggest an upgrade in equipment, we are in the process of adopting
two otherwise homeless children and at this time any upgrades just is not in the
budget.
<no worries bud... but I must say that you need to remove the anemone or the
corals for both to have a chance at surviving long term>
Nitrates are my big concern,
<in such a small tank, a weekly water change of 2-3 gallons should make it
all go away nicely>
but I still want to give the corals everything they need and still keep nitrates
as low as possible, considering the size of my system. I try to keep
Nitrates around .10 PPM, which is quite a challenge and still feed everything.
You guys perform a great service and I can't thank you enough for your
assistance. I called the LPS where I bought the coral frags and all I
got was "I am too busy". How sad for them. I
think they're missing out in the real meaning in all of this.
<agreed. You'll do fine here my friend if you are simply realistic about the
limitations of the tank and what is humanely possible. With kind regards,
Anthony>
Pregnant cleaner shrimp 3/14/03
Good morning, well I realized that I have a pregnant Cleaner Shrimp, I would
like to some how isolate her to keep some of the babies.
<Interesting tidbit about cleaner shrimp... your "she" is actually
is an "it". While most shrimp have separate sexes... cleaners are
hermaphrodites... thus any two can breed successfully together>
Is it possible??
<challenging but possible... the move to an isolation tank was helpful>
what should I buy? I saw a breeding unit online- Let me know Thanks, Athena
<successful rearing really cannot be summed up in an e-mail. Let me suggest
you buy and read a book on a similar species: "How To Raise & Train
Your Peppermint Shrimp -- April Kirkendoll. Its available from Amazon.com and
many other places. The rearing tips will be quite similar. Also, do a keyword
search on this topic on a search engine for find specific articles perhaps on
this species... alas, we do not have one on WWM. General info on the group can
be found here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/arthropoda/shrimp/cleaner.htm
Best regards, Anthony>
Baby shrimp and their little umbrellas (04/06/03)
hello,
<Hello! Ananda here tonight...>
My first question is- I am wondering if the cleaner shrimp carry eggs at a
certain time of the season or if this happens all year round?
<All year round...>
I am going on my 4th pregnancy between 3 shrimp. It seems so bizarre, but maybe
this is
normal- I'm not sure.
<It's completely normal in a healthy tank. Cleaner shrimp are hermaphroditic,
so anytime you get two or more, you get baby shrimp -- which make excellent food
for the other stuff in your tank.>
second question- there are tiny white little particles along the bottom of the
glass inside the tank and also on the furniture-it looks like lil' umbrellas??
<Those would be a type of feather duster. Very common in newish tanks, and
completely harmless. --Ananda>
Cleaner Shrimp Mating (4/29/04)
I have 2 cleaner shrimp in my tank and have just noticed that one has a large sac on it's side, it actually looks like it is filled with something...could it be eggs??? <Eggzactly. Lysmata amboinensis are hermaphrodites and two of them will usually mate. The other one will eventually have eggs too. These eggs & the resultant larvae make great live food, so don't expect any baby shrimp. Steve Allen.> Kelly Aiello
Cleaner Shrimp with Eggs
I have a question about my cleaner shrimp. I have had this cleaner shrimp
from the first moment I set up my 125 reef about a year ago. I have noticed
that it has some white/green dots on the under side of its tail that has never been there before. To tell the truth they looks like eggs but here is
the situation. I have no other cleaner shrimps in my tank. The only other shrimp is a fire shrimp which I have had for about 6 months. My questions
are: 1) Could the cleaner shrimp and fire shrimp mated?
2) If not, could the dots be eggs? 3) If not, what are they? Thanks, Kris
<<Well, I'd bet the dots you're seeing under the Cleaner Shrimp are eggs, but even if the Cleaner is a Lysmata genus member and ditto for the Fire
(Lysmata debelius), there probably is not a cross-species mating going on... Lone Shrimp females can/do lay eggs on their own, and they're sterile. If you're interested, you might want to try introducing a male of the species; otherwise the solo one will be
fine. Bob Fenner>>
Strange cleaner shrimp phenomenon
Hi Bob,
I purchased 2 cleaner shrimp from ffexpress about 5 months ago. Now about 3 weeks ago, I noticed that one of them had a bunch of egg-like shapes
forming in it's belly. I was surprised but heard that these shrimp did in
fact breed in captivity. The 2 shrimp had never hung out together and always
stayed on opposite ends of my 75 gallon reef setup. Now they were together
and seemed more like a couple. Now here's the clincher. About 5 days ago, I
noticed that now BOTH shrimp had this "belly full of eggs". I haven't heard
that these shrimp were hermaphroditic. Is this possible? Have you ever heard anything remotely like this? What should I do to try to save the
babies, or is this impossible? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a lot, -Jay
PS - I'm a big fan of your daily Q&A...keep up the great work!
<<Hmm, do take a look at this URL:
http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/Reprints/FAMA/v17_aug94/scarlet.htm
An article by friend/author Joyce Wilkerson on Lysmata...
Yes they are hermaphroditic cross spawners... much can/needs to be done... particularly provision of a grow out facility and food production... read the article and if you have further questions... ring me.
Bob Fenner>>
Eggs
I have a cleaner shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis) that is holding eggs. This is the only shrimp in the tank. I read that they are hermaphrodites.
Is it possible that the eggs are fertile. Could you please give me any information that would be helpful in rearing the young.
Thank you, Connie Wehler
<<Hmm, interesting topic... Well... Lysmata spp. shrimps are hermaphroditic (both functional sexes in one individual), but they are "synchronous" versus simultaneous hermaphrodites... that is sequentially males turning into females. And don't think they can/do self-fertilize... but, this is where the whole situation may make sense yet, these animals can store a "sperm packet" from mating some months back... Otherwise, these eggs may prove to be infertile...
You might want to consider adding a small(er) individual or even more... if your system size will
accommodate them... Bob Fenner>>
Cleaner shrimp question
I have three cleaner shrimp. Two of them spend all of their time together.
Recently, I noticed on the underside of the tail, there appears to be many egg looking "things". These "things" are a light yellow in color, and cover
the entire underside of the tail. Lately, this particular shrimp seems to always hide in the rocks except when it's feeding time. I am not at all
worried about this but, I was wondering if you could explain what's going on or if there is anything that I should be doing. Thank you for your time.
<<Does sound like your Cleaner Shrimp is "berried", that is, carrying eggs... You might want to start at the www.breedersregistry.com reading about the genus Lysmata... if you'd like to know more.
Bob Fenner>>
My anemone cleaner shrimp
I just purchased a Periclimenes pedersoni. When I got it home and in the tank
I noticed it had a large clutch of eggs under it belly. Is there anything
special I should do to help her rear these or should I let mother nature do her thing?
<<I'd opt for the latter this time out... and maybe scan the literature and Internet going forward for the next batch... under the name Periclimenes pedersoni... Much to do in preparation for juvenile shrimp instars... mainly building a suitable culture facility (special tank for circulation, dripping in new water, taking out old w/o removing the intermediate stages of the shrimp... a continuous feeding device, lest they consume each other... and a few types of food items to have in ready culture, density... Bob Fenner>>
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Pacific Cleaner Shrimp eggs
Bob,
I think my two Pacific Cleaner Shrimp are carrying eggs in their swimmers
(swimmerets?). Clusters of tiny round eggs. Is this really what's going
on? Can I expect any new shrimp out of this?
<<Very likely are eggs, maybe some young you can save... food culture, system preparation is necessary... take a look at the articles stored on the genus Lysmata through
www.breedersregistry.com Bob Fenner>>
Sexing peppermint shrimp
Dear Bob;
recently one of two peppermint shrimp in my reef tank died in a tragic powerhead accident. This pair of shrimp have reproduced in my tank and I would like to replace the dead shrimp but I don't know what sex it was. I saved the carcass. Is it possible to easily identify the sex of a peppermint shrimp? I was unaware of any pairing when I bought the two.
Thanks, Doug
<Can be sexed like the ever tasty local Panulirus... modified uropods and fifth pair of legs on the males as you know...>
P.S. Great book. Your text along with Ron and the boys at Octopus Gardens got me hooked on reef aquariums. I've learned a ton over the last two years. I graduated from SDSU in 1972 with a BS in Zoology so we probably had some classes together. Glad to see that someone retained all of that info. I've read about
MASLAC and it sounds like a very informed, active group. Is there anything similar around San Diego? Thanks again for your help.
<Yes, and have sent this msg. to our fearless leader (he works for the local futility, SDG&E...) Maurice, so, am sure he'll be contacting you as well. See you here and there, your fellow alma mater, Bob Fenner>
Lysmata debelius
Hi. I am writing from the University of the South Pacific (USP), located in the Fiji Islands. I am about to begin my Masters Program
on Shrimp aquaculture and was hoping to work on Lysmata debelius. Part of my funding is being provided by Walt Smith
International, an Aquarium Goods exporter and they are also very keen at aiding work on this species.
<I know Walt... we are old friends, well, middle-aged friends>
At USP we do not have very sophisticated equipment to carryout many large projects. however we are developing our lab systems
and we have great access to the natural coral reefs and relatively untouched ecosystems to study. we have access to seawater of
good quality, are developing new equipment and hence can carry out some good experiments.
<Hmm, you may want to contact friends at TMC who have bred, reared Helmut's shrimp through all cycles... their address, a review of their business can be found on our site:
www.WetWebMedia.com>
I have obtained some information on this species. However more information is required by myself before
I can begin. I was hoping that you could provide me with more information regarding the
reproductive biology and feeding behaviour of these shrimps - or of any contacts of people who could provide me with this information.
Thanking you in advance, Avinash Singh.
<Have Walt contact me, or you can contact Derek Thompson et crew through me... at TMC. Bob Fenner>
Pregnant Cleaner Shrimp
Mr. Fenner
We just noticed hundreds of eggs on the legs of one of our cleaner shrimps last night. Can we purchase something from our LPS to try to save these eggs from being eaten by our other stock and if so what are the chances of actually getting some that live through the whole process.
Much to relate... I would read over the Breeder's Registry here, and Tropic Marine Centre's accounts of their successful culture of Lysmata amboinensis (and even L. debelius)... their URL's on the WetWebMedia Links pages>
Does this mean that the pregnant one is female and the other male, or can both sexes have babies? Do you have info on your website about this? We really want to try to breed them if we can, but we have no idea how far she is and when they will hatch as we just observed her "fanning" these eggs all night last night. It was the oddest thing to see and we were both very excited. Also, my ammonia is 0 but my fish still keep waking up with ich and then it disappears within the first 10 minutes of feeding and does not show back up until either 8:30pm or when they wake up in the morning, any
ideas (our ammonia was at .50 a few days ago, but have done many water changes to get it down to zero, we were over feeding.
<Study my friend. Bob Fenner>
Re: Pregnant Cleaner Shrimp
Mr. Fenner
My LPS has a little net type thing to put the shrimp in, is this cruel to lock her in a
net (I haven't seen it yet, so I don't know what it looks like.
<Not just cruel, but won't work...>
Also (I haven't looked at your link yet but I intend to), do I put both male and female shrimp in net as the male has been heavily guarding her and chasing away anyone that comes near. And do I remove them once the
eggs hatch? Are there books we can buy on this? Or will our attempts be futile due to the other tank inhabitants(6 fish, crabs, peppermint shrimps and snails)
<All this answered where you were sent... Bob Fenner>
Cleaner shrimp
I have a 40 gal. tank and 2 weeks ago I noticed a lot of white stuff in my tank. I finally figured out that they were baby cleaner shrimp... of
course they got eaten. I have purchased a small tank within a tank that has a small net around it so the shrimp can't get through. How often do
shrimp have babies (fry) and how could I try to keep them alive if I'm around when they hatch?
<Mmm, please read over all the shrimp materials posted on WetWebMedia.com's marine index... and follow the links to the Breeder's Registry on the Net... and possibly read over the success of Tropic Marine Centre in rearing a few species of Lysmata spp.>
someone told me to have" marine snow plankton diet" to feed them.
<No. This product is worse than worthless>
Can they stay in the same tank as my other fish in that small net tank?
<No>
I have a 5 gal. tank I could set-up with a sponge filter, which I would just use water from my main tank, since it would
be cycled...I could add some sand and or live rock. Is it possible to keep them alive?
<Yes... have been cultured... do need separate tank... As I say, read through what there is known... on the net. Will give you a firm understanding of what's involved. Bob Fenner>
Thanks for the info... and " Merry Christmas !" Cheryl
Questions (impulsive cleaner shrimp culturist?)
Will other fish eat Cleaner Shrimp eggs?
<Of a certainty yes; many if not most fishes will>
If so, how should I go about keeping that from happening?
<Mmm, if you're involved in culturing shrimp, keep them in a separate system>
How many cleaner shrimp should I put in a 55 gallon tank? Assuming that I
have some hermits and a coral banded shrimp in there?
<... could or should? Coral Banded Shrimp, Stenopus hispidus are cleaners... Please read the Marine Shrimp sections here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimp.htm
and the linked articles and FAQs files. Bob Fenner>
Re: questions (impulsive cleaner shrimp culturist?)
Do you have any suggestions on what types of coral I should combine in a
tank? Like so many hard to so many soft?
For the aquarium floor, what type of types of live sand should I use? As well
as for live rock....how much live rock and live sand would you recommend for a 55 gallon tank?
What types of fish should I NOT have in my tank if I have Cleaner Shrimp?
<You would do well to invest your money and time into one or more general marine aquarium books. Much cheaper, less destructive to your spare time, budget and the environment, then this approach. Please peruse, read over the site: WetWebMedia.com
Bob Fenner>
Inter-breeding of cleaner shrimp
Bob,
I was wondering if species of Lysmata shrimp can/have breed among their different species.
<Not as far as I'm aware. But do check with the Breeder's Registry site... link on WetWebMedia.com if you can't find it>
I have two cleaner shrimp that were both sold as common skunk cleaners. One appears to be ever so slightly darker in color and has a solid white line on the edges of it's tail and the other has two white dots on each edge of it's tail. I therefore assume I have a Lysmata Grabhami (the solid white lines on the edge) and a L. Amboinensis (the dots). Other than the tail markings and the slight shade of color difference they are the same.
<These do get sold as one, the other quite commonly>
Both have been in my tank now for many months. They eat well, regularly clean the yellow tang and even my hands when I reach in the tank.
Within the last month I noticed that both have many eggs stored underneath their tails. The L. Grabhami's eggs are a lime green color, and the other shrimps eggs are a clear color and look like salt and pepper under the shrimp. As far as I can tell they have been there for 4-5 weeks. (or they have bred multiple times)
<Ah...>
Is it possible they are both the same species with different markings, or is it not uncommon for these two different shrimp to breed with each other?
<Mmm, these are likely two females... do spawn w/o males present... can/do store sperm packets... or the eggs may be infertile>
Also, do you know if the different colors of the eggs means anything? I don't know how long it takes for them to hatch, but I'm assuming they will just be consumed by the fish as a treat or caught up in the filters/powerheads.
Thank you for your help and your great site! Kris, PA
<Mmm, do read through the Net here re Lysmata... and BR. Much there re these species. Bob Fenner>
Lysmata debelius -fire shrimp larvae
Hi Everyone.
Well thanks to your advice I have finally got pairs of fire shrimp to breed and produce few larvae. however so far
I have got so few larvae- less than 10 .. not good.
<Actually, not bad... took the folks at TMC a good many tries, dollars/Pounds to get this far>
I have had a look at a latest molt and have seen that there are hundreds of unhatched eggs present
on them. the eggs are at their last development stage.. the eyes being clearly visible.
I don't really know what went wrong... the
larvae that are there are healthy but too few to work with....
<Could be infertile eggs, not enough viable sperm/atophore, some aspect of water chemistry...>
(Fire shrimp adults naturally release the larvae into the water and then go on to
molt)-- something went wrong here. I'm not certain if physical factor or may be nutrition maybe the key.. but how did the
other larvae survive?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Avinash Singh
USP
Fiji islands.
<Bob Fenner>
Hello again (shrimp culture)
I just posted this on your chat forum but thought that you may have
further insight :)
<Perhaps. Let's see>
Hi All fist post here I have been Harassing Bob and JasonC for a while
now so I thought that maybe my fellow hobbyists could take a stab at
this one.
Here are the usual specs. My Reef tank is 30 gallons, with a new
130gallon tank being delivered tomorrow. The inhabitants are, A
Ocellaris, A Frenatus, Banggai Cardinal, Pajama Cardinal and a Scooter
Blenny. All are well. There are the usual assortment of hermit crabs,
snails and I seem to have colonies of feather dusters cropping up on the
rocks all over the place. I also have a Pulsing Xenia and 2 Peppermint
Shrimp and 1 CBS.
I do daily calcium additions and weeks Iodine drops. The shrimp molt
every month and are growing quite large. Hence the new tank as you say
larger is better.
Tonight at feeding time the larger of the two Peppermint Shrimp came out
and her swimmerets are encrusted with eggs. So now the quandary I am
setting up the new tank tomorrow and within the next few days planning
on moving all of the live rock, sand and inhabitants to their new
environs. Do you think I should leave the Mother Peppermint in there
and allow her eggs to hatch. What do you think would be the success
rate if there were a moved to the larger tank or left where they are?
<The "success" rate in terms of hatching, grow out? Not much in either. Please read: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/shrimp.htm
the shrimp articles, FAQs files beyond. Much more to the effective culture of these animals. Bob Fenner>
The Emperor bio wheel is staying, but the protein skimmer and powerheads
are going. Need advice :) Cheers, Julian Hunt
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