Kole tang, contractions, apostrophes... learn them, use them,
live them! Heeee! 3/8/07
hey there guys
<Jeff>
I recently purchased a Kole tang and im
<Im?>
trying to get him
to eat. I dont
<don't?>
have any growth on my rock yet, but I
just bought new lights and the rocks are bare.
He ignores the flakes
and seems to just pick at the barren rocks.
<What does this
Ctenochaetus eat in the wild Jeff?>
Also on a side note I purchased
some dried seaweed- two kinds, and also raw shrimp. I was planning on
cutting them all up and freezing them in cubes. Is this a good idea?
<It's a good idea to search, read:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ctenofdgfaqs.htm
and the linked files
above. Bob Fenner>
Kole Tang Eating habits and LR Cycling
Hello there,
I have a funny question...being a guy (last time I
checked) I like to laugh at things gaseous, smelly and loud...so in a
related topic, I noticed that my Kole Tang eats my other fishes' poop
(yellow tang, 4 damsels - all provide the Kole with freebies). Now, one
of my dogs has been doing this for years, with no obvious health
consequences other than bad teeth and horrendous dog breath, but I was
wondering if this is unhealthy for a fish. <<Interesting question... for
your dog, this is only a throw-back to the wolf gene all dogs carry.
Wolves often bring food home to the den only to offer it back to the
pups in a semi-digested form. Fish on the other hand... who knows. This
is an observed and documented behavior in several species of fish, and
is really quite normal.>>
Is this behavior normal for a Kole Tang.
<<Not sure about the Kole tank in particular, but I'm not surprised.>>
I alternate feedings of Formula 2 and Nori everyday with Mysis shrimp
(when I feed the anemones and polyps), and I see it grazing on the algae
covered rocks and glass. It constantly has a full stomach (of what... I
hasten to guess).
<<let's not go there... oops, too late.>>
My
other question concerns my LR. I put in my "pre-cured rock" after
ammonia readings were <0.1 and three weeks of re-curing in a 40 and 20
gallon bin with skimmer and two power heads. It went into my established
(for about 10 years) 55 gallon with fish. I worried that weekend, and
feared that I put it in too quickly...I did not test for nitrites,
foolishly. Today, in the late afternoon, I tested the ammonia, which
came up as zero, or close to it from what I can tell off the color
chart. It hasn't been a month, but is there a chance that the ammonia
will spike up again or re-cycle?
<<I don't think so, you are likely
fine.>>
I have an Aqua-C Urchin in a ten gallon sump, built-in
overflow, bio-balls, Chemi-pure, and two sweeping power heads in the
tank. Do you think that the tank was capable of taking care of the
stress from adding 45lbs of rock at one time since it had already been
through its cycling, many moons ago? <<Well, that and you did pre-cure
the rock...>>
All inhabitants are doing fine, with no casualties
since January, except for my cinnamon clown who thought it was superman
and leaped out last week...probably got disgusted at the sight of the
Kole eating poop. <<perhaps.>>
Thanks, Randy M. Yniguez, MA
<<Cheers, J -- >>
How often to feed Kole Tang?
Hi.
<Hello!>
I have a 55 gal. reef with 50 lbs. of live rock. The rock
has quite a bit of hair and bubble algae. I just bought a Kole Tang. I
know he will eat he hair and may help a little with the bubble.
<Maybe. Fish don't read books very often so they don't always respond to
things the way we think they will/should but alas...time will tell. I
hope that you're right>
My question is, how often should I supplement
his diet with Formula Two if I expect him to successfully graze?
<I
suggest that you consider growing some Gracilaria in the tank (if
possible) and feed this guy with the Formula 2 a couple to three times a
week. You might consider adding Selcon or any vitamin supplement that
contains a stabilized form of vitamin-C to his rations. You can also
feed Nori from the Asian section of your supermarket. Try to get the
dried kind instead of baked. If he really does chow down on the bubble
and hair algae I would feed even less until the nuisance stuff is gone>
I don't want him to get lazy. My guess is every other day, but I need a
"gut check."
<You're on the right track!>
Note - I also have two
clowns and a watchman goby that I feed once a day with a variety of
frozen foods (Formula B, prawns, clams squid.). I expect the Kole will
eat that as well.
<Guaranteed! They need protein as well>
Thank
you, Rob Fox
<No problem! David Dowless>
Feeding a Finicky
Kole
Hi guys how are you?
<Doin' Great! Scott F. with you
today!>
Question for you , What are some recipes for the creation
of good fish food. I have a Kole tang that is losing weight and getting
bone thin. What can I do to bring him back to a healthy weight. He is in
a 72 gallon reef tank with about 70 pounds of rock he grazes all day but
there is insufficient algae for him.
<Well, one of the easiest things
you could do for him would be to purchase or "cultivate" some "feeding
rocks" with have lots of microalgae on them, and rotate them into his
tank a couple of times a week to supplement his regular feeding.>
Another concern I have is he attracts ich easily I battled ich by taking
all the fish out of the tank and setting them in a hospital tank for a
month, they had all lost the parasites after a couple of treatments of
copper. Reading a article you have on ich I decided to break down the 72
gallon tank and give it a cleaning, using about half of the existing
water I also removed half of the aragonite sand bed permanently and the
other half was washed and returned to the tank. The only other thing I
noticed is my other fish are not effected by the parasites no visible
white dots or white spots on their fins. Could you please tell me
another way of possibly treating my main tank and bringing my tang back
to health.
<Well, the "easiest" way (I guess "easiest" is a relative
term here!) is to let the tank run fallow, without fishes, for about a
month, to allow time for the parasite population to crash for lack of
hosts (fish). This method is quite effective at reducing or eliminating
the parasites from your tank>
I have heard Nori is good but I can't
find it anywhere and I have tried to feed them romaine lettuce but he
doesn't even touch it.
<I wouldn't waste your time with lettuce. It
really has very little nutritional value and can potentially leach lots
of nitrates into the water...Nori is available at most Asian markets;
it's used, among other things, for sushi. Another good food for tangs in
general is the macroalgae Gracilaria parvispora. Called "Ogo" in the
Islands- it's probably THE food for most herbivorous tangs...You could
get it from places like Indo-Pacific Sea Farms in Kona, or Mary
Middlebrook's site in CA. One caveat, however- the Kole is the most
"detritivorous" type of tang- versus the more herbivorous Zebrasoma
species. As such, it does rasp algae and diatoms from rocks and
substrate, but it will also derive a substantial portion of its diet
from typical prepared fare, such as Mysis, "Formula" foods, etc. It may
try the Gracilaria, but usually will take prepared foods over the
macroalgae...>
I feed them blood worms Flake food with Spirulina
angel formula also dried pellet food but they don't seem to like it
anymore.
Thank you Stan N. Edmonton Ab Canada
<Stan, do try the
frozen foods mentioned above...they are an excellent dietary supplement!
Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Kole Tang Recovery (3/6/04)
Hi Everyone, <Steve Allen tonight.>
I have written you in the past
regarding my Kole Tang and his battle with ich. I treated him with
Cupramine for the last fourteen days in a QT. His problem now is that
he looks terrible. His skin is blotchy and he is really pale. The good
news is that he has ended his hunger strike. <Always encouraging.> I am
feeding him foods soaked in Selcon. <Good.> Will this help him look
normal again or can I treat him with anything (antibiotic)? Thanks.
<Sorry for the delay. One of the crew is out and I'm helping clear his
inbox. I suspect your Tang is suffering from the rigors and stress of
his illness and treatment rather than a bacterial infection. It is wise
to enrich his diet. I'd add a quality vitamin too. Also make sure he
gets a lot of vegetable matter. Sea Veggies on a clip would be great and
can even be obtained at Petco these days. Even better would be fresh
Gracilaria if you can get it somewhere. It might even be worth ordering
some of this "Tang Heaven" at www.ipsf.com As for antibiotics, I would
defer unless he appears to have a bacterial infection. Pristine water
conditions will help immensely.>
Kole Without Appetite?
Hi Everyone,
<Hey there! Scott F. with you today!>
I bought a Kole
Tang about a week and a half ago. I brought him home and he began to
eat. A couple of days later, he developed ich. I treated him with
Cupramine in a QT. Since then, he won't eat.
<Not uncommon with
tangs. They don't always do well with it. I've experienced this myself
many times. Be very careful when treating with copper, as these fish
have delicate digestive fauna, which can be damaged by prolonged
exposure to copper. This will often diminish their appetite, among other
things. I'd follow the manufacturer's instructions to the letter, and
monitor the copper level continuously during the process. If the fish
shows serious distress, do discontinue copper use. Often, once the
copper level is lowered, the tang will begin to feed again. In the
future, Formalin-based treatments might be a better route if you keep
tangs.>
I have tried everything, from frozen brine shrimp to flakes
to Formula Two frozen to Nori on a clip. Is this a result of the
copper? What else should I offer him? Thanks.
<Well, besides
lowering the copper concentration at some point, you could try a piece
of fresh live rock for him to "graze" on. Sometimes, this can tempt an
otherwise fussy fish to eat. Also, consider the use of a liquid vitamin
supplement, such as Vita Chem, administered right into the water Observe
the fish carefully. Good luck! Regards, Scott F>
Feeding a
Kole tang
Dear WWM crew, Adam & MacL!
<< Blundell here. >>
Thanks for your help. My hair algae is receding, thanks to the Kole
tang.
<< Wonderful fish. >>
He is fat and healthy looking. I QT'd
him for 2 days and then impatiently introduced him in to the display out
of frustration while dealing with the hair algae issue. It's almost 4
weeks and I seem to have lucked out. Unfortunately, I fear that
the tang may succumb to HLLE! He has shown no interest in Nori or Mysis
or pacific plankton or pygmy angel formula or marine angel formula that
I feed the clown and the fridmani Pseudochromis. << Wow, try live brine
or Cyclop-eeze. Very rare for fish to turn them down. >>
All he eats
is hair algae! Any suggestions? I'm going to try soaking the Nori in
garlic. << I don't think the garlic will help. Also, if he is fat and
happy, I wouldn't worry too much. >>
He is still frightened of me.
although after a few minutes he will come out and go about his business.
He seems to be more observant of new things. It takes him longer
to come out if there are two people or if I move a chair to a different
spot and sit in it, turn on lights that are not usually turned on etc.
???? << Typical. >>
Thanks, Narayan
<< Blundell >>
Feeding a Kole tang continued
Thanks Adam. But regarding your
statement that if the tang is fat and happy then leave him alone, I'm
just concerned that he is not getting a varied diet... << Yes that is a
concern. But when most fish get malnutrition their behavior
changes. They become lethargic and irritable. A varied diet is best,
but I still wouldn't worry. >>
Narayan
<< Blundell >>
Kole Yellow Eye, feeding stones
I read your article on
wetwebmedia.com and I was particularly interested in the section on
feeding. I have a yellow eye that caught ich but I was able to treat him
in a quarantine tank for a few weeks. He has been back in my main 75
gallon reef tank for three weeks but seems to be on the skinny side and
very pale. I was interested in the sentence that you stated "My favorite
"gimmick" with these fishes is to utilize an algal covered "feeding
stone" as a site for engendering food-taking behavior".
What exactly
is a feeding stone and where might I get one? If you have any other
advice on getting him enough food would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Cauley
<"Feeding stones" are actually made by the
aquarist... either in an aquarium (sans algae eaters) or in other
containers (like large jars near a window), but you won't want to wait
to make these. Do look into buying some palatable macro-algae... either
from an online vendor like Inland Aquatics or Indo-Pacific Sea Farms, or
perhaps a local retailer or hobby-club member. Bob Fenner>
