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FAQs Lighting for Marine Invertebrates 6
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Lighting, reef 5/3/08
Hi everyone,
<Marc.>
I have doing a lot of research on your website, and it has helped me out a lot.
<Great!>
I have been reading up on lighting and I still can't find a straight answer to
my question. I have a 75 gallon fowler tank, and I'm starting to look into doing
some corals. I have been careful not to add any fish to the aquarium that are
not compatible.
<It is a good practice to research and plan stocking.>
The tank is still new, about 8 weeks, and the livestock seems to be doing well,
now that I fixed the problem of fish jumping out of the tank!
<Oops!>
Currently I have a Coralife PC with two 65 watt 10,000k bulbs. I am looking to
replace the light, even for just looks alone, but I figured, if I'm going to
switch, I should look into to getting a light for corals now.
<More planning ahead, awesome!>
I was really hoping to get either a PC fixture with 4 65watt 10'000k bulbs, or a
T5 fixture with 4 55 watt HO bulbs. Are either of this adequate for any corals,
and if so, which ones?
<Lower light corals such as zoos, most soft corals and many LPS will work with
this lighting.>
And how about for anemones?
<No, you will need about twice this amount of light, more for some species. Even
with adequate lighting it is a good idea to skip the anemone unless you want a
tank nearly dedicated to one.>
That is the other route I was looking to take. And how long should I wait to add
corals or anemones if I have the right light? Or am I all set now that the water
quality is where it should be?
<I will have to take your word the water quality is good. The another big factor
with a newer tank is stability. Assuming both these are there you will be ready
to start adding corals if you wish, do so slowly.>
Thanks
Marc
<Welcome, good luck, Scott V.>
Re: Lighting 5/4/08
Thanks for your help.
<Welcome.>
After receiving that information I've decided to wait and see if I'm going to
want to do any stony corals that I would just have to replace the light again
anyway. In the interim though, is the light I have now ( the Coralife with just
two 65 watt bulbs) enough light for live rock, and will it still produce
coralline algae?
<The light will be fine for coralline algae and the live rock.>
Also, are there any corals that can live in this light, if so which ones, and
would these corals, if any, be able to survive if I end up switching to metal
halides in the future?
<Any of the corals mentioned in our previous correspondence will work and make
the switch fine with careful placement and acclimation.>
Thanks
Marc
<Welcome, have fun, Scott V.>Reef Lighting 4/26/08
My head is spinning trying to make sense of lighting ... I have a 95 gallon
wave aquarium (very similar to the standard 90 gallon). I am looking at a
fixture which has 2 x 150 watt HQI's and 4 54 watt
T5 HO's for accent lighting along with some lunar lights.
<A nice combo.>
Would this be sufficient to house softies, LPS, SPS and clams if placement is
done carefully.
<Yes, with careful placement as mentioned.>
The reason I'm looking at this fixture is I'm really trying to cut down on the
amount of heat so I can avoid a chiller.
<I hear you, a constant battle to avoid a chiller!>
Thanks for any info
Tim
<This combo will work out fine. Keep in mind the 10000K bulbs will give you more
usable light out of these 150’s than the higher K bulbs, this can make a huge
difference in success with this lighting. Welcome, Scott V.>
Coral Glue And Coral Light
Absorption (Photoperiod) – 04/12/08
Awhile ago I got a couple of corals that came with a silicone type glue that
mounted them to the rock. At the time, I didn't think it would be so good and
don't recall where I got these corals. This glue bonds to rock just by placing
it on top of it. I have tried to locate this material at all the tropical shops
in my area but no one carries it or knows what it is. It is not "super glue" or
putty - it stays flexible and doesn't need to be reapplied. Can you help? What
is it and where can I get it?
<<I can only guess, but there are some better “underwater epoxies” that remain
flexible. These products form a molecular bond that is quite tenacious. They’re
quite pricey too…at around $50 per quart>>
On the coral's light absorption - how many hours of light do they really need
daily using optimum lighting?
<<”Optimum lighting” will vary by species…but lighting in the tropics where most
all specimens we strive to keep hail from averages a bit more than 12-hours per
day…and at an intensity we can only dream of replicating>>
Does it vary by type of coral?
<<Indeed>>
I have polyp types, leathers, frogspawns, elegance and coral plates. Thank you.
<<I suggest you provide a lighting period of somewhere between 10 and 14 hours
per day…depending on quality/intensity of the lighting. EricR>>
Re: Setting Up 110 Gallon
Reef System... Why not read? 03/22/2008
Hello Again Crew,
Mystery man, Ron here again.
<<Hello again, Andrew today>>
I have attached your last reply to me. You have addressed all of my concerns, so
far. I hope this is the last one???
<<Ask as many as you like>>
Here's my question for you. I have decided not to hold off on getting my
lighting system. The tank is a 110 gallon 48 Lx 18 W x 30 D. It is going to be a
reef system with no SPS. I do want to be able to keep Clams, LPS, soft corals
and of course inverts..
<<Sounds good>>
Now, I needed your suggestions. I have looked at the Outer Orbit HQI + HO T 5, 2
x 150 10K HQI, 4 x 54 T 5 actinic, 18 lunar and the Obit HQI-Metal Halide &
Actinic Power Compact 2 x 150 10K HQI , 2 x 130CP actinic, 6 lunar lights. Would
either of these supply enough light and do I not need to use Halides at all? I
want a nice looking system when the lights are on at a reasonable price. I am
not stuck on the Orbit brand, so if there is some other brand you prefer, let me
know.
<<With the depth of your tank, 30 inches, i think it would be best to go with a
halide system if you want good light penetration down to the bottom of the tank.
Something like a 2 x 250w or even 2 x 400w system would be a good choice in my
opinion as depending on the type of clam you want, some prefer to placed on the
bottom of the tank..>>
The whole crew has been great at answering my questions and in record time.
Thank Again, Ron
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Lighting? 3/10/08
I have a 90 gallon marine aquarium that is 25 inches tall. Is four 54 watt
HO T-5 bulbs enough light for this tank with low light corals and an anemone?
<This will be a little low for the anemone, I would add another two or more
bulbs in the daylight (10K) spectrum for the lower light anemones, some will
require the leap to metal halides. You will need to research the specific
species of anemone you want to keep for its lighting requirements and
compatibility with whichever corals you want to keep with it, generally not a
good idea to mix.>
If not, what is your suggestions for additional light? Tanks a lot!
<Welcome, happy reefing, Scott V.>
Lighting... 75 reef...
03/09/2008
Hi crew,
<<Hello Ron, Andrew today>>
my question is about getting the most bang for my buck when it comes to
lighting. My tank is a 75 gallon ,with protein skimmer, refugium,
and live rock. The fish that occupy the tank are a potters angel, leopard
wrasse, yellow tang, two percula clowns, and two Bubbletip anemones that have
divided several times. My current lighting is a four bulb t5 system. I was
considering increasing the light for the anemones, and would like know if it
would be a good idea to go with metal halide lights or a six bulb t5 lighting
system some of my concern is overheating. Thanks Ron
<<The answer, in my opinion, would be to upgrade to either 150w or even 250w
metal halide unit. This will remove near enough all limitations on stocking
capabilities. Heat wise, a simple clip on fan from a DIY store would suffice,
blowing across the water surface.>>
<<Hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Thanks/
Lighting/ ID 2/29/08
Hello Crew-
<Esther...>
As I approach the one year anniversary of very first marine tank I would
like to thank you for providing so much information on your site; which
has led to my success in this hobby! My fish are waving their fins in
cheers as well, as they benefit the most I think!
<You're all welcome>
Setup/ Specs: 75 gallon (48 x 18 x 21), Aqua C Remora Pro with Mag pump,
90 lbs. live rock, 3 power heads for water movement, and Corallife PC
260W lighting fixture. Ammonia: 0, Nitrate: 0, Nitrite: 0, dKH: 11.8,
Calcium: 440.
Aside from the hitchhiker Zoanthids, (and the ID below) I am just
starting into corals and only have a Candy Cane coral right now. But as
it is time to change my light bulbs again, I started thinking that at
$30 each bulb for 4 bulbs every six months it is, in the long run, not
very economical and that there better options out there. I have been
looking into T5 lighting (I am not able to do MH) but want to know if
you really don't need to change the bulbs as often?
<Correct>
So I have been looking at the Nova Extreme and the Nova Extreme Pro. The
Pro has 6 x 54W, but with individual reflectors, and the other has 8 x
54W but with a single parabolic reflector. After some reading, I think
that the individual reflectors are the better choice because of the
'light absorption back into the bulb loss' is less with the individual
reflectors. Thoughts on this?
<This is also so>
My wish list for future corals would be: Blastomussa, Cynarina or
Lobophyllia, and a plate Montipora; could these be kept under either of
the above lighting?
<Yes>
Lastly, I have a small colony of hitchhikers I can't seem to identify
and hoping you might have a clue. They are about 1/8" in diameter and
after I noticed the first one, (about 4 months after getting that piece
of rock), they have started multiplying. I've included (for hopes of an
easier ID for you) a shot of a grouping of them, as well as the mouth
and a skeletal make-up. I would love to know what they are so I can
record it in my saltwater log.
Thanks again!
Esther
<Are stony corals... scleractinians... I think a Caryophylliid...
testimony to your good care here. Bob Fenner> |
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Reef Lighting 2/28/08
Evening Crew,
<Good morning here.>
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with all of us.
<You're welcome.>
You all were of great help as I selected my pumps and skimmer. I went with an
Iwaki MD-40rxlt for my closed loop, an Eheim 1262 for my sump and the EuroReef
RS-100 skimmer. I'm getting to ready fill with water and LR and want to start
preparing to upgrade the current 48" Top Aquaria Series light that contains 3
10k 36w bulbs.
I have an 80gl bowfront tank in which I plan on stocking with a combination of
LPS (Frogspawn, Hammer Coral) and SPS (Montipora capricornis, Acropora),
Zoanthids, a BTA,
<Would not put the BTA in a coral system.>
xenia, leathers and a clam or 2. I've tried to read up on lighting requirements
but am just not sure which way to head. All the lighting options and wattage
ratings are confusing me. Can you simplify the pros/cons of MH vs. T5? If I go
T5, will 6 54w bulbs be enough? If I go with MW, will 2 150w with T5 actinics be
enough? I'm hoping to just make one purchase and not have to upgrade in a year.
My only current experience with lighting is> currently a 24" Corallife pc with
actinics and lunar LEDs on my 20gl. I really enjoy the variable lighting from
dusk to dawn and the faint lighting in the evening from the LEDs. However, I've
been considering upgrading the 20gl as well so I can add a wider variety of
corals.
<Do read here and linked files above.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm
Thanks in advance.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Reef Lighting,
metal halide and livestock requirements
2/19/08
Hi,
<Hi Jay>
Great website and I have enjoyed researching on it.
<Thank you.>
I have a quick question on a newly acquired system that I got from a friend of
mine that was moving.
It is a standard 75g, 48Lx18Wx20H. It has a dual Hamilton ReefStar unit with two
150w HQI DE 14K bulbs in a wood canopy (2 fans, one pulling and one pushing).
The protective glass under the bulbs is about 10" from the waters surface. It
also has a retro unit consisting of 2-96w PC bulbs mounted in the top of the
hood, but they are about 12" from the surface, hence I'm thinking the PC's are
not going to be much benefit being so far up.
<Not too much with a 20" deep tank. Can you lower the hood anyway?>
My question is on livestock with the dual 150w HQI's: Would a couple of
blue/green Crocea Clams/ Blue Maximas and a few SPS do well in the middle to
upper part of this tank? I also plan on having some Zoanthids, Ricordea, and LPS
like Frogspawn, Hammer, and Acans. It would be a slightly mixed reef, with less
emphasis on the clams and SPS, maybe 1-2 clams and 5-8 SPS. Thanks for your
great work and help.
<Clams seem to prefer being on the bottom, preferably on a sandy substrate. In
this regard, considering the depth of your tank and lighting placement, I'd go
with either Derasa or Squamosa Clams which do not require the lighting intensity
that the Maximas do. Any SPS should be kept in the upper third of the tank. Read
here for more info on clams.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/Clam_care/Clam_care.htm
James (Salty Dog)>
Jay
Lighting a 65 Gallon Reef
2/13/08
Hello,
I've found your website very helpful for many things, and have searched it over
and found many conflicting opinions on lighting.
<Lighting a reef has personal preference as a component, hence the differing
opinions.>
I realize that there is no "right" answer, but I was looking for an opinion on
this specific tank. I plan on setting up a 65 gallon tank with sump, skimmer,
approximately 100 pounds of liverock and a 4 inch sandbed.
<Sounds like a nice setup.>
Right now I have mostly LPS and some soft corals in a smaller tank, but in the
new setup I would like to experiment with some Montipora and clams. A lot of the
articles seem to prefer VHO, HO etc. fluorescent lighting, but I worry about the
light penetration from these lights in a 24" deep tank.
<With enough bulbs fluorescents will work fine. Perhaps consider a T5 fixture
with six or so 39W bulbs.>
Would metal halides be my best bet?
<It is definitely a viable option.>
If so, would a 250 Watt HQI IceCap Pendant be sufficient?
<Definitely, the problem is that these tanks generally have a plastic center
brace. If it does you will likely want two Halides to avoid casting an unsightly
shadow in the tank. In this case I recommend two 150W units. If you have no
center brace one 250 will be perfect. The center brace will not be an issue with
fluorescents.>
With no hood on the tank, would heat buildup be an issue if hung approx. 12" off
the surface?
<You will have more heat imparted into the water with halides, but you can help
this out with a fan blowing between the surface of the water and the light. You
may need a chiller depending on the ambient temperature in your area and your
other equipment; it is possible you may need one anyway without the halide.>
What bulb would you recommend?
<Again, this is greatly personal preference. I like the 10K offerings out there,
they give more usable light for your money spent on electricity without looking
too yellow for my taste.>
Thank you.
<Welcome, happy reefing, Scott V.>
Re: Need Lighting Help...
reef 01/25/2008
Hi Andrew,
<<Tiffany...>>
Thank you very much for the timely response. I have been contemplating between
two lighting systems.... the first obviously has more wattage and is a big more
expensive, but the second one has built in timers which I thought was a great
feature. Both have individual
reflectors which I thought would be good for the light intensity. Any opinions
or have you heard anything on either of these fixtures?
48" Nova Extreme Pro 6x54watt --> 359.00
48 inch Current USA SunDial T5 HO 4x54W w/ Timers & LED --> 269.99
<<Both are good lighting fixtures. My preference would be the Nova extreme out
of the two, I feel this is a very good choice although, yes, you would have to
buy timers too. The Sundial, although cheap is 100w less and I feel the extra
100w form the Nova pretty much covers you in lighting requirements to keep a
huge selection of coral in the tank>>
Thanks! Tiffany
<<Thanks for the feedback, reply.. A Nixon>> Lighting Overkill? 1/23/08
I currently have a 65 gallon, 36x18x24, I already have 2 150W halides with
20K radium bulbs. I would like to upgrade to a system that has 2 250W 10K
halides with 4 T5 actinics. This would give me around 656W, but that is over 10
watts a gallon. I plan on housing more sps and clams in the future. Should I
stick with this idea or go with a less wattage of halide, like 2 175W mogul with
T5's.
<I would be inclined to stay with your current fixture with bulbs in a better
(10K) spectrum.>
I currently have DE bulbs and the lighting in question has DE bulbs. I currently
have just polyps, some micromussa, a tort, purple fuzzy and a BTA. Would like
clams to live in the tank, 2 died under the 150W's.
<Not enough “usable” light with the 20K.>
I'm having a big problem deciding. Thanks for your patience. Also, no heat
issues right now, but will I have serious heat issues if I do go with the 250's,
<Quite possible.>
Thanks
<You will realize a large increase in light your corals/clams can use with the
simple switch to a lower wattage bulb. Two 250W would be overkill in my opinion
considering it is a three foot tank and the lights will overlap quite a bit. The
175W would be fine, but again different bulbs in the 150W fixture would be the
way to go considering the lighting will overlap. Check out the link below,
noting the difference in PPFD (Photosynthetic Photon Flux Density; what your
corals use) between the 10K and 20K bulbs. Welcome, hope this helps you decide,
Scott V.>
Best
Lighting? 1/21/08
Hello,
<Hello Tom.>
I have a four year old 20 gallon setup with the following livestock:
maroon clown
yellow-tailed blue damsel
coral banded shrimp
feather duster
star polyps
torch coral
birdsnest
xenia
zoanthids
Palythoa
2 acropora (ora roscoe and a brown one received at MACNA this year)
Pavona
snails (Cerith, margarita, and Nassarius)
Oxypora (frag 1 inch)
<Wow, one busy 20 gal.>
Hardware:
24" Coralife PC (one 65watt 10,000K and one 65watt 50/50)
Hydor Koralia #1
Sea Clone 100 (I modified it to be a needle wheel and adjusted the
collection cup.)
I would like to purchase a HQI light for my tank, so I can add more SPS
and get the best color out of them but I do not want a chiller and can
not hang the light from the ceiling (because I rent). I would like to
know in your opinion what would be the best possible fixture for me? I
was looking at the 24" SunPod with a 14K 150 watt bulb but it would have
to sit on the mounting pegs it comes with and I did not want to "cook"
my tank. Is there other options for me to get the best lighting or
should I stick with what I have do to my tank volume?
<Depending on the ambient temperature you may be able to run the MH, but
there is always the chance this will push you into needing a chiller,
especially on such a small system. I would either stick with what you
have (it is working, right?) or look into some of the T5 fixtures out
there if you want more intensity from your light. The PCs you have can
sustain what you list, of course with the SPS closer to the light.>
I appreciate your help!
Thank you,
Tom
(enclosed is a picture of my current setup as of today 1/22/2008)
<Welcome, this looks like a nice system, you may need more room as
everything grows! I hope this helps you decide, good luck, Scott V.> |
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Reef Lighting Upgrade…Do I
need It? – 01/11/08
I have a 75 gallon reef system which houses a variety of LPS, soft corals
and Zoanthids.
<<Okay>>
I currently have two 175 watt 15000K metal halides providing the light for this
setup.
<<I see>>
While this, to me, seems more than sufficient,
<<Agreed>>
I was recently tempted by an advertisement for an Odyssea Metal Halide system
with two 250 watt HQI's and four 65 watt compact fluorescents with lunar LED's
all for a very modest price.
<<Mmm, more light than you need I suspect…and do be aware, you get what you pay
for…>>
The metal halides I currently use are nothing special, a retro kit I got online,
<<Nothing wrong with retro kits…>>
so I assume I won't be deviating too far from where I am currently regarding
quality.
<<Not necessarily… Personally, I am leery of this product/vendor>>
Unfortunately, my current budget wouldn't allow a "name brand" higher quality
lighting setup.
<<Best to stick with DIY fixtures built from “retro” kits then…in my opinion.
You “can” go too cheap…>>
My main question is whether or not a 760 Watt lighting package can be maintained
in a tank such as mine or will this level of lighting do more harm than good to
my coral inhabitants?
<<I don’t think you need it. If you have a desire for more intensity/PAR…this
can easily be attained by replacing the 15000K lamps with lamps of a lower
Kelvin. If you’re worried about losing that “blue” look, spend those bucks on
some T5 fixtures with Actinic lamps to add to the existing lighting>>
My tank is an open top and, without running fans, it stays between 77 and 80
degrees.
<<Going to a higher wattage MH bulb may change this>>
How much temperature increase should I expect if I were to upgrade?
<<Hard to say… Will depend much on currently airflow, ambient room
temperature…>>
Thanks for your insight and advice.
<<Hope it’s been of use. Regards, EricR>>
Re: Reef Lighting
Upgrade...Do I need It? - 01/12/08
As always, thanks for the fast response.
<<Quite welcome>>
I realize that 760 watts is overkill for my tank,
<<Indeed>>
but do you feel it would harm the inhabitants, or is it simply more light than I
need?
<<More than you need… The current inhabitants could likely be acclimated to more
light…but that doesn’t mean they would “prosper” under more light than they
need/can make use of. It is not unusual for deeper water specimens
(Corallimorphs, some LPS species, etc.) to lose color/turn brown under lighting
that is too intense/more intense than that in their natural surrounds>>
Thanks again for your help!
<<Cheers… EricR>>
Reef Lighting 1/10/08
Hello,
<Hi Renee>
Again, I find myself confused about something and needing a steer or two in the
proper direction.
<We can do that.>
I have a 75 gallon Tru Vu Aquarium (4' long...standard sized) with an overflow
built down the center (wrong spot for an overflow, IMHO, but it works for me),
and the first question is if the lighting is sufficient. I have a wet/dry, Bak
Pak skimmer, heaters and various powerheads in the tank, as well as a hood and
stand.
On that tank, I have 2 50/50 96 watt CF 34" bulbs staggered. So, I'm not sure if
each bulb contains 192 watts or 96 watts.
<Each lamp is 96 watts for a total wattage of 192.>
What I grow in there are Colt, polyps, mushrooms and Condys.
<No where near enough light to satisfy a Condy, and may not be enough for the
Colt Coral.>
In my next tank, a 29 gallon standard sized aquarium, I have no lighting as of
yet. What will go in there is almost anything I can put in. I have an
opportunity for a 150 watt HQI Pendant. I would add to that a T5 strip with one
blue one white, if necessary. What kinds of corals would I be limited to if I go
with this setup? Can I put a BTA in there and would it be sufficient lighting
for it?
<A 150 watt HQI would allow you to grow most anything. The 29 is too small for a
BTA, water parameters have a better chance of changing in smaller tanks,
something the anemones don't tolerate too well. As for the strip light, it would
just be in the way and isn't really necessary with the 150 watt HQI. My choice
here would be to go with a 14K lamp.>
Last, but not least, I have a 25 tall Eclipse 2 converted system. It has a
compact fluorescent double white bulb in front, and a set of T5s in the center,
by Corallife, one white, one blue and I have one small CF daylight lamp on the
side of it aimed at my BTA which lives in there. I wonder, is that enough light
or should I amp that up? Do you have any suggestions as to the type I should
place on there or should I just put that BTA into the 29 when it gets going? It
is healthy, not bleached at this time.
I am sorry for such stupid questions. I am not only a novice, but being a woman,
I don't deal with lighting very often. In freshwater systems, it's so much
simpler.:)
Renee, I'd like you to read these links and related articles contained within.
This will help you understand reef lighting requirements and also the
needs/systems for keeping anemones. And, being a woman has nothing to do with
succeeding in this hobby.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm>
I thank you ahead of time for your expertise.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Thank you,
Renee
New Setup, Marine Lighting
1/10/08
Hi,
<Hello>
I have another question: I am setting up me new 150G tank (60x24x24) and I am
trying to figure out what type of light would work best for me. I have a very
good water flow (20 times+) and two 90G refugia for nutrient transport and food
generation so I hope that I don't need to go crazy with light.
<Depends on what you want to keep.>
I am considering two options:
1. 432W (8x54W bulbs) Current USA Nova Extreme T5 HO fixture (or similar
T5 HO system)
2. 3 x 175W MH reflectors.
I am going to start slow with adding livestock but will probably end up with a
small number of fish and reef garden so basically I would like to be able to
grow most things.
<The first option will be fine for most corals, but if you want to keep really
light demanding corals the MHs will be necessary.>
Also, I would like to minimize the electricity consumption and would like to
have a system that has most flexibility to modify as needed (e.g. adding more
light bulbs as the tank matures and the light needs increase).
<Either setups should be all you would ever need.>
Could you please advise if Option #1 would be sufficient?
<Depends on the specific corals you wish to keep, most would do fine under
either setup.
See these links for more
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/lighting/index.htm ,
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/setup/lighting/fixtures.htm , and
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm .>
Thanks again,
John.
<Welcome>
<Chris>
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Reef Lighting/Selection
1/1/08
Hello! Happy Holidays!
<And to you my friend.>
I first wanted to thank "the crew" for all the great hours of reading, sound
advice and establishing the trust you have from the readers, myself
specifically. Your website is in the first slot on my Favorites link on my
computer. It's been said so many times, but nonetheless, you guys are great and
your advice is invaluable.
<Well thank you!>
Okay, now to the situation at hand. I came home from walking my dog yesterday
and instantly could smell burned plastic or rubber or something of the sort-very
distinctive smell. I immediately ran to my aquarium and saw that half of my
lighting system was dark. I don't know anything about electronics, but I think
it's toast. It was a 6X96 watt PC unit. I wanted to upgrade anyway, and now my
hand has been forced (which is okay).
<Mmm, were the cooling fans operative?>
It is a 72", 125 gallon reef aquarium that houses a healthy load of fishes (yes,
maybe a little overloaded and therefore, not optimally healthy, which is why I
hesitate to list the inhabitants-please don't yell at me, I don't think it's
terribly so) as well as lightly stocked LPS and SPS corals that are all doing
very well. They consist of 2 growing Montipora frags which I've been surprised
to say have flourished in this "lesser" Power Compact Fluorescent climate,
<Mmm, 600 watts of PC lighting is not all that bad for your shallow tank.>
a Caulastrea Furcata colony, an Acanthastrea colony as well as some unidentified
corals imbedded in my live rock (I believe one type has been described as a
"cup" coral, whatever that means and the other type appears to be a kind of
colonial SPS or LPS coral). There is also a hitchhiker anemone which I've found
described as a Curly Q Anemone. Since the "burnout" has occurred (and it is the
unit that is fried, not the lamps), I've grouped the peaceful corals somewhat
closely and have used my only backup to light them, which is a hang on 150 watt
MH unit. I need to quickly purchase a new system, but am somewhat limited
financially.
<Have you contacted the manufacturer about the problem. If you haven't had the
light very long, most will take care of the problem.>
Around $700 is probably my maximum. I also have the added issue of probably not
being able to hang lights since I live with my parents and my dad probably will
not let me.
<If you have a wood canopy, a retrofit system is the least expensive.>
I've come up with a few options that I want to run by you and hope to get a
clear ranking or just ones that you think should be good and ones to avoid as
well as requesting any additional suggestions. I would like to support high
lighting required inhabitants including SPS and clams. Okay, here are ones that
I've found to both be in my price range and should be a good upgrade to what I
had before. I will list and link so you can see them in case you are not
familiar. The first seems too good to be true, but if it works well, should
bathe all inhabitants in tons of light:
3X250 watt metal halide, 4X96 Watt PC with 8 lunar lights and electronic
ballasts from Aqua Trader.
http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=332
<My dealer tried one of their PC systems and thought they were of good quality,
no experience with the MH's though. You are correct in saying "too good to be
true".
Does sound like too much for the money. You may want to contact Aqua Trader and
ask about the warranty. Another option, post this question on one of the salt
water forums.
We had one but I do not see the link anymore on our homepage.>
This one is not nearly as powerful and not as much wattage, but from an
established and well known company (but also the company that sold me the PC
system that just burned out, not that I fault them.
72 inch Current USA SunPod 3x150W 14K HQI-MH w/ 24 Lunar Lights
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CU01066.html
<I have a Current PC system on a tank, and have had no problems with it in two
years.
On another note, Marine Depot is a respected company and I doubt they would
handle a product that has a problem reputation.>
Next is more powerful and looks like a great option, but I just haven't heard
anything about them.
6 Ft. Captive Sun Deluxe Hood Lighting System-3X175 Watt MH+2X160W VHO (bulbs
not included)
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CP4116.html
<Again, as above. Tell you what I'll do...I'll contact Marine Depot and get some
info for you and get it back to you in a day or two.>
I'm also considering the following due to all the positives I've heard about T5
lighting, but not sure that it would be sufficient for the inhabitants that I
would like to keep. The bulbs seem to have individually wrapped reflectors which
I've read makes all the difference.
72" Current USA 12X39W Nova Extreme Pro T5HO 6-10K/6-460nm Actinics
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~SearchStr~pro~action~view~idProdu
ct~CU01082~idCategory~FILTFIT5T7~category~72_inch_Current_USA_12x39W_Nov
a_Extreme_Pro_T5HO_6_10k_6_460nm_Actinics_Saltwater_Aquarium_Supplies_Li
ghting_Fixtures_T5_Lighting_72in_Units~vendor~.html
<For what you want to keep, I'd be safe and go with MH or HQI lighting. Clams
seem to do better under this type lighting.>
I know you guys don't always like recommending products and are not always
familiar with the overwhelming amount of products on the market, I'd just like a
clear opinion from an expert (I know you guys are too modest to consider
yourselves "expert", but to me, you all clearly are, so just accept the positive
title:-)) about what they (you) would do if you were in my place. Lighting is
such an important aspect of reef keeping and SO expensive to someone who is
lower middle class at best that I just want to make the best decision possible.
I've worked so hard to improve my water quality and flow (which is why I think
my Monti's are doing so well even in the lesser light-I've got great flow now
after adding over time), that this lighting issue may very well be the
difference in having a really nice reef tank or one that still looks a bit
amateur...or at least can't house some of the more advanced corals I'd like to
try. Of course lighting doesn't determine your aquatic abilities. I consider
myself an intermediate aquarist who's been keeping reef tanks for 5-7 years and
I feel like making this tank successful will be a huge step for me. I appreciate
your consideration and the time you've taken to read this long query regardless
of the outcome. Thanks for everything you do.
<You certainly are on the right track. I'd be comfortable with either of the two
products you list from Marine Depot.>
Please add any suggestions for lighting units I have not listed that you think
might fit both my needs and budget.
<If you have a wood canopy, consider the PFO retro systems from Premium
Aquatics, is what I use and a very well made product.>
As a side note, I'm writing this from my work email address, can you send the
response to my personal address, please?
<Not a problem.>
Thanks so, so much!
<You're welcome Nicholas. James (Salty Dog)>
Nicholas Sadaka
Re: Reef Lighting/Selection
1/2/08
Thanks so much, James, I really appreciate the response!
<You're welcome, Nick.>
Unfortunately, I don't have a wood canopy, which stinks because I would
certainly go the retrofit route if I did. Your question about the cooling fans
being operable is a good one and one that I just couldn't say for sure. They've
always been so quiet that I probably wouldn't be able to tell on an average day
without really tuning into it. Let's just say that I hadn't noticed that they
were not working, but it's certainly possible.
<The fan(s) also need to be cleaned periodically, do mine twice a year.>
I also don't know ANYTHING at all about electronics, so I'm not even sure if it
was something with the ballasts or the wiring or what, but it certainly gave off
a very strong odor and had my parents running around looking for a fire! Now,
after saying that, let me just say that I do believe that Current is a great
company and if I did not, I would never consider getting another unit from them.
I've had PC lights from them that I got when I started in the hobby that are
still to this day running well, so, I hope anyone reading this did not take my
story as a slight against Current at all.
<No worries here, we like to hear about problems people have with components,
keeps fellow aquarists aware of potential problems with such.>
I haven't contacted Current about the light (it's probably about 4 years old),
but that's more because I really want the upgrade now, with the ability to keep
Acropora and clams and such.
<Four years old, without cleaning the fans, I'm pretty sure they were not
working properly.>
I was planning on doing that within the next year anyway, so now is as good a
time as any. I certainly would love to take you up on your offer to talk to
Marine Depot on my behalf, and I appreciate that immensely. That is very kind of
you and I look forward to hearing your response!
<Sent off a message this afternoon, should hear from them sometime tomorrow and
will forward to you.>
If you get busy and don't have a chance to get to contact them, that's okay too,
I'll just go with one of the two MH systems from Marine Depot (and you're right,
Marine Depot is a great company and I buy from them constantly and have NEVER
had a problem).
<Good to hear.>
I probably have to make a decision in the next couple of days so the tank can be
lit again, so I look forward to hearing from you if you speak with them, but
again, if you can't, that's okay too. Thanks again for your response. I always
feel like I got a chance to talk to someone we look up to in the aquarium hobby
when I get a response from one of you guys! Thanks again.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Reef Lighting/Selection 1/2/08
<Nick, did receive a reply from August at Marine Depot. Below are the
contents of his email. Hope this helps you. James (Salty Dog)>
<<Hello,
Thanks for the email. Since the maximum amount is $700, the closest metal halide
with legs in that price range is the Current USA SunPod. Here is the quick link
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CU01066.html. This is a really
good product. It comes with LED lights for moon lighting and to slowly acclimate
the tank everyday. It comes with 3 150W bulbs. Everything is included. For a
shallow water tank, T5’s can also be used. The only issue is the length of the
bulbs. The biggest we have is 48” inches. So unless 2 x 36” inch lights can be
used, the only option is the metal halide. If you have any other questions,
please feel more than welcome to contact us. Take care!>>
Re: Reef Lighting/Selection 1/3/08
Again, James, thanks so much. I sincerely appreciate all of your effort on
my behalf. Through reading the daily questions and reading through the content
on WWM, you eventually get a feel for the personalities of the experts. That
being said, I really feel like you are a good, stand up guy and a valuable asset
to the hobby. If this is posted,
<All queries are posted in the dailies.>
some people are going to read and say, "boy, that guy's kissing some butt", but
the bottom line is that I have nothing to gain by sharing this opinion and if I
did not truly feel this way, I'd just keep my mouth shut. Everyone really needs
to realize and understand the service WWM is doing by providing this information
free of charge. That's rare and special and without speaking for anyone else,
greatly appreciated by me. I genuinely extend this sentiment to the whole crew
and request that the occasional disgruntled aquarist that writes in keeps this
in mind before attacking a helping hand.
<Well said.>
No one is right all of the time, but the ability to share unselfishly separates
the masses. Okay, don't want to get too wordy and mushy, just want to say "thank
you" one last time!
<Nick, thank you so much for the kind words. Nobody on the crew is "kissing
butt".
As aquarists with years of combined experience (+30 for me), our goal is to help
others avoid mistakes we have made in our learning process. When I started in
this hobby, there were no forums and such you could go to, in fact it would have
been difficult since there was no internet back then. All we could rely on was a
good book or two, but the books back then rarely gave any info as to
requirements/compatibility etc. You pretty much rode the horse alone. Good luck
to you in this hobby, and I'd like to thank you for doing such a fine job in
writing. It is rare that I do not have to edit queries as to caps, punctuation,
etc.
James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Reef Lighting/Selection
1/3/08
Bob,
Below is an email I just received from Marine Depot, is from Keith MacNeil. It
is in regard to
the Reef Lighting/Selection query. Thought you may want to post his email on the
dailies.
Regards,
James
<Will do. Thank you James. BobF>
Hey James,
Thank you for inquiring about these fixtures. I was looking over our emails and
noticed this one wasn't quite answered the way I think you were looking for. I
believe you are looking for more of a quality issue than alternatives.
The CurrentUSA fixtures have been getting good reviews. I have one of their
metal halide fixtures that has been running flawlessly over the last 2+ years.
CurrentUSA offers a 1 year warranty on their fixtures that would be handled by
the place of purchase. One of the nice features are the internal ballasts for
their 150 watt units.
The Captive Sun fixtures are custom made exclusively for Marine Depot. These
have been being made for us for quite some time now with very few problems. Any
issues that have come up have been resolved very quickly. Again warranty issues
are handle by Marine Depot. I have talked with people that have been using their
fixtures for over 5 years with no issues at all.
I hope that helps out some and I apologize if the first email was not what you
were expecting.
Lighting Query From Wet Web Media (Thread:1103937)
Hello,
Thanks for the email. Since the maximum amount is $700, the closes metal halide
with legs in that price range is the Current USA SunPod. Here is the quick link
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~idProduct~CU01066.html. This is a really
good product. It comes with LED lights for moon lighting and to slowly acclimate
the tank everyday. It comes with 3 150W bulbs. Everything is included. For a
shallow water tank, T5’s can also be used. The only issue is the length of the
bulbs. The biggest we have is 48” inches. So unless 2 x 36” inch lights can be
used, the only option is the metal halide. If you have any other questions,
please feel more than welcome to contact us. Take care!
Thank you for choosing Marine Depot. We are always available for any support
that you may need.
August Sicat
Marine Depot Customer Service
www.MarineDepot.com
Phone: (714)385-0080
Fax: (714)385-0180
Hi gang. I've got a query from a gent inquiring about two different lighting
systems you sell. I'm not familiar with their MH systems. Can you help me out.
He seems to be concerned about quality/longevity.
I'll post the query with my notes in carets below. I did send the query but will
reply to him with your input.
Thanks much,
James Gasta (Salty Dog)
Wet Web Media
Re: Reef
Lighting/Selection...Queriors Input... cave canem 1/3/08
Dear Crew,
<Hello>
I saw the messages between poster/Salty Dog re the Aquatraders.com 72" 3x250W MH
system and wanted to provide him/her with some info.
I purchased the 48" 2x 250W MH/4x65W PC system for $379 and am very pleased. It
is made by Odyssea. So far, it works well, the fan is quiet, it runs cool and,
most of all, my corals are very happy under it.
Before I purchased, I read about 10,000 posts
<Naw, c'mon.>
on the several threads on reefcentral.com re: the experiences of hobbyists with
the MH Odyssea fixture. Almost all posters that I read have been very pleased
and feel that the fixture is an exceptional deal.
<I thank you for this, will post for others to read. James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Reef
Lighting/Selection...Querier's Input 1/4/08
James,
<Andrew>
Well, it was probably like 9,990 posts. In all seriousness, I urge anyone
interested in the Odyssea MH fixture to set aside about 30 hours and review the
1 billion-post threads on the fixture in reefcentral.com
<Again, thank you for your input. James (Salty Dog)>
Re: Reef Lighting/Selection
Query. More re Above Water Photography 1/5/08
Boy did I open a can of worms with the Reef Lighting/Selection Query, Whew.
I believe much good was done here, especially regarding the Odyssea MH fixtures.
For the price, it appears they are a quality fixture.
<Yeah... I read this ten bazillion times, and I still find it hard to believe>
On another note, why are the manuals you get with cameras so vague?
<Wish I knew>
Tells you want does what but not why or why you should use certain functions. Oh
I wish I had my Nikormat 35mm camera back. What a joy to use and great pics.
Didn't have a menu with 500 options. Sheesh. Time to start looking for a book on
the G9 that is more user friendly.
Wonder if there is anything out there like that.
James|<The very best thing to do here is to search on the Net for folks who have
used the model, or one close to it... for their insights into use/settings...
Believe me. B>
<The very best thing to do here is to search on the Net for folks who have used
the model, or one close to it... for their insights into use/settings... Believe
me. B>
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Yet another lighting upgrade
question 12/30/07
Hi WWM Crew,
<Hi Jason!>
Let me start by letting you know how much I appreciate all of the useful
information you freely give to your readers. I can only imagine how many
aquarium critters you’ve saved.
<Thank you.>
Now a little background information – I currently have a 55 gallon flat back hex
acrylic aquarium with 4 55w PC lamps. Right now I’ve got a Candy Cane Coral,
Frogspawn and a Pulsing Xenia. All of them are placed in the upper 2/3 of the
tank. I believe that my current lighting is enough to sustain these corals, but
they may not truly thrive (I do feed the Candy Can and Frogspawn every other
day).
For the New Year I’d like to upgrade my lighting system; I’d really like to go
the HQI metal halide route and maybe use 2 of the PC lamps for supplemental
actinic lighting. However, with my canopy closed I only have 4 ¾ inches from the
top of the aquarium to the canopy (the shape of the flat back hex canopy has
also proven to be problematic for lamp placement). My concern is that the heat
output from the MH lamps will be a problem; especially given the fact that it’s
an acrylic aquarium. Removing the canopy and using a pendant really isn’t an
option.
<With that kind of height restriction I am concerned about the same issues.>
An alternative would be to go with 4 or 6 - 36” 39W T5 bulbs instead of the MH
lamps; I may not gain as much intensity or any shimmering as with MHs but I’ve
read that T5 lamps do not need to be replaced as often as PCs and that they are
more energy efficient…which could potentially offset the cost of the upgrade.
<Eventually.>
I realize that the inhabitants I wish to keep are really the driving force
behind my lighting; first and foremost I just want to ensure that my current
corals are happy with an eye on the future (my crystal ball tells me anemones
and clams are not in my future).
<Possibly a clam higher up in the tank with the T5’s, if you have the real
estate. Anemones no.>
I have read through your site regarding lighting, but I would really just like a
little hand-holding on my lighting decision.
<Your current lighting is adequate for what you have, but the T5’s sure wouldn’t
hurt. Be sure to invest in units with individual bulb reflectors.>
I would appreciate any insight you can give me on my upgrade options. Thank you
and I hope all of the WWM Crew a wonderful New Year!
Jason
<Happy New Year to you too. Have fun with your new project, Scott V.>
Mushroom tank lighting?
12/13/07
Hi guys and gals.
<Hello.>
I am setting up a 110 gallon mushroom tank (no Ricordea) currently cycled with
live rock. My question is concerning lighting. Right now I am running a twin
tube N.O. fixture with a marine glow and a power glow, 40 watts each. I have a
175 watt metal halide fixture that I purchased from Craig's list for $75, what a
steal. The guy gave me two new bulbs as well, a 175 watt 20000K actinic (unknown
brand),
<20K spectrum, not actinic.>
a 400 watt Blueline super white. He said that either bulb would work with the
fixture (no brand name on the M.H. fixture just a really well made hanging
pendent fixture made by the local aquariologist at the aquarium). Which bulb
should I use in conjunction with my N.O. fixture or should I buy another M.H.
bulb that would better suit these creatures?
<Either light may work with this fixture (sounds like all mogul base), but not
with the ballast. Assuming the setup came with a ballast to power the bulb, it
will only work with its rated wattage bulb. 400 watt will be way overkill for
mushrooms. 175 will be fine, but you will need two to get an even light spread
across this tank. Good luck, Scott V.>
Re: Mushroom tank lighting?
12/14/07
Yes it came with a ballast . I took a closer look at the 175 watt bulb it
reads "blue line m.h. 175w 20k";.When I plug this one in its extremely blue.
Thanks to all you guys for all the help.
<Welcome, glad to help, Scott V.>
Bulkhead Flow Rate And Reef
Lighting 12/8/07
Hello,
<Hi Terry>
I have a question about bulkhead flow. I have purchased a 90gal AGA with built
in overflow, and I am planning on using a 30 long that I have picked up for the
sump/fuge. I have been looking at different calculators and I'm all confused
now, my question is how much flow can I get using both the bulkheads that are in
the tank to drain?
<I have no idea what size your bulkhead fittings are so that would be difficult
to answer. Are they 1 inch, 1 1/4, etc?>
I am planning on doing over the back returns.
<May not be necessary if your drains provide enough flow.>
My other question is about the Current USA SunPod lighting, I really like the
halide shimmer
<And I also.>
and the LED shimmer so I thought this lighting would be great but I haven't
found many reviews or if this would be a good light for a reef LPS SPS and maybe
a clam? (sorry I'm referring to the 250w version, it has 2 250w halides and
wh,bl LEDs).
<I have a Current SunPod fixture on a smaller experimental tank. I think the
quality and workmanship is very good and I've experienced no problems with it in
over a year.
The system you refer to would be an excellent fixture for a 90 gallon tank
allowing you to keep any light loving corals/clams you desire.>
Thanks in advance,
<You're welcome. Do let us know what size your bulkhead fittings are and we will
be able give you a flow rate for these. James (Salty Dog)>
Terry
Reef Lighting 12/8/07
To The WWM Crew
<Hi Flavio>
In order to have some glitter lines in my 450 litre tank, I am thinking to add
two or three halogen (4000 K) lamps mixed with the 6 T5 fluorescents that are
installed at the moment. Do you think it will affect the corals life quality?
<Shouldn't, as long as the T-5's are going strong.>
I have Fungia, Sarcophyton, Favia, 2 Turbinaria, an Hydnophora, a Pectinia and
two Euphyllias, all of them growing and living since several years only with
fluorescent lamps.
Thank you for your help.
<I don't think you are going to like the look the 4K bulbs will produce. It will
give the tank a yellow look, yuk. James (Salty Dog)>
Flavio
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