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Filter Feeding Animals As
Filters (SW) – 07/08/09
Crew,
<<Greetings Forrest>>
As I am getting ready to move (buying my first house) I am in the
planning stages of a new Reef tank (intention of housing both fish and
inverts).
<<Ah! Some exciting times ahead…do take your time>>
I am interested in setting up a system that allows for the maximum
amount of nitrogen to be actually utilized. That is in a sense to reduce
the amount of "food" that is being wasted in the form of skimmate,
chemical adsorption and/or water changes.
<<I see… This is a worthy endeavor, but being able to support in our
small captive systems the bio-diversity needed for such filtration
exclusions as you describe is problematical…even not practical. You can
indeed employ “animal” filters…but there will still be a need for
ancillary filtration devices>>
So far the majority of information along this line is regarding export
to plants or algae.
<<Agreed>>
An idea I am wholly behind, though I am also interested in the idea of a
display refugium (I do not have my copy of The Conscientious Marine
Aquarist [CMA] in front of me but I seem to remember seeing an
interesting refugium belonging to Julian Sprung as being mentioned,
though this may have been in another of my references).
<<Ah yes…refugiums are interesting to observe in their own right>>
The only other mentions have been in Calfo (Coral Propagation) where he
discusses the use of aiptasia as a filtering element, and one article I
read in Coral discussing the use of sponges as filters.
<<And both are worthy of investigating…as are “Xeniid” filters. I have
also heard of the use of Tridacnid Clams for filtration purposes. Any
“absorption” feeding organism that can be employed in a large enough
quantity could work…the problem is…how much do you need?>>
Calfo discusses a raceway of Aiptasia. I was curious if some other
animal, perhaps zoanthids or something else similar would be effective
(allowing for appropriate lighting of course).
<<Maybe so…but I’m skeptical as to their “practicality” for this purpose
(back to the “how much do you need” thing)>>
Or perhaps Xenia, which I have to assume, has a healthy nutrient
appetite given its growth rate.
<<A better choice I think>>
Along with this system I would plan on a remote deep sand bed, as well
as a skimmer.
<<Ahh…excellent>>
Which leads to the question of plumbing. What should be in series? What
parallel? Etc.
<<I would plumb in series…with the animal filters before the refugium
(don’t want to waste the cultured beneficial plankton and epiphytic
matter in the filters), and the refugium draining either in to the
display (as in an overhead installation), or in to the pump chamber of
the sump>>
I am happy to do my own research on this topic but am not entirely sure
where/how to look.
<<Hmm…see what you can find in the marine plumbing and refugium
sections>>
I would also be more than happy to report on my findings both from
research and eventually from the actual installation and the techniques
I used.
<<Please do!>>
Thank you again for your time, knowledge and patience.
Forrest
<<Happy to share Forrest. Keep me posted, and I’m also happy to discuss
matters as you progress. Cheers, Eric Russell>>
Upgrading Filtration 12/10/08 Hi, <Tina.> I have a
question about maybe upgrading a canister filter. I have a 90g euro
braced acrylic tank. Here is what I have. 175 lbs live rock, 60 lbs
live sand, Aqua C remora protein skimmer, magnum 350, Rena xp3
canister, Hydor Koralia 3. Here is my problem/question. Here is the
situation. Started tank with live rock & sand almost 2 years ago.
Happily added fish & LPS corals over a year. Nitrates went up to 20, did
water changes, talked to www crew, too many fish, took out 1/2 of them,
nitrates now at 20 after 20g water change down to 10 over a week back up
to 20. Fish load: 1 jaw fish, 1 flame angel, 3 green chromis, 1 6 line
wrasse, 1 anthis,1 tomato clown, 1 Pseudochromis. other stuff LPS, 1
clam, 1 anemone, 2 shrimp, snails, tiny starfish. November had a problem
with hair algae & dying off of a clam, some fish, and most of my snails,
again www crew solved the problem. (you guys are sooooo smart.)
Anyway today my Rena stopped working after only having it a year. I
don't know if I should fix it (have a call in to Mars to see if they
know what's wrong there) or upgrade. I know canisters can cause nitrates
but I clean it weekly & have only the sponges & white filter in there, I
also clean the tubes etc every 6 months. Do you think it is causing the
high nitrates or still too many fish? <Your bioload sounds fine from
a filtration standpoint. The canister filter is really not doing
anything for you at this point, your skimmer and live rock can handle
the job.> I started off with the LPS corals but am selling them off
because I want sps corals, but I know there is no point until I get rid
of the rest of the algae & get the nitrates down to 0. <Not zero,
but low and under control.> All my tests except the nitrates are
where they should be. Also do I have any time to spare? Without the Rena
running (completely took it out, don't want stuff building in the filter
or tubes) is my tank a ticking time bomb? <No, but do be sure to
supplement the flow the canister was providing.> Should I run down to
Petco & buy a canister or do I have some time to order something better?
I have thought about either another canister (maybe Eheim), a wet/dry, a
sump with live rock, or a refugium. <One of the latter two, or both!
If you do go with a sump, consider drilling the tank rather than using a
hang on the back overflow.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ovrflowboxfaq4.htm> To be honest I really
thought that the 175 lbs of live rock & 60 lbs of sand was supposed to
be my filter but the nitrates suggest otherwise, unless the Rena is the
problem (I do 20 g water change weekly). So better filter? <Yes, in
a sump/refugium form.> Maybe more live rock & sand & adding more
Hydors for circulation & no canister? <Bingo.> Give it up totally
and admit I don't know what the heck I am doing? <Don't give up,
keep reading and learning.> Any help you can give will be much
appreciated. Ya'll are fantastic! <Thank you.> Thanks in advance
Tina <Welcome, Scott V.>
Re: Upgrading Filtration, esp. canister f' 12/10/08
Hi, Scott thanks for your quick response to my letter about the Rena
filter & upgrading. <Hello Tina, you're welcome.> Turns out the
Rena xp3 just needed a impeller. <Not uncommon.> But now you have
me thinking instead of investing in a sump can I just take the
baskets/media out of the Rena & fill it with small pieces of live rock?
Big enough of course not to obstruct the flow. <You could do this.
Once you go sump you will never go back!> I don't know if you have to
have a open sump to off gas or not. <It is better to have an open
top. The increased surface area is one of the benefits of a sump.> Or
if it needs light. <Only if you are growing a macroalgae in there.>
Frankly I am not brave enough to drill a hole in a $700 tank filled with
who knows (or wants to) how many $$ of live stuff with no other home to
save them from one little oops! <Understood. If you use the hang on
the back units do be sure to use two, with each one capable of handling
the overflow duties on its own in case the other fails.> I have asked
for a refugium for Christmas, we will see if Santa loves me or not ha
ha! thanks again Tina <We will see. Talk soon, Scott V.>
Sump or Canister filter or both? 8/24/08 Hello again guys,
I've been doing a lot of research lately and I'm feeling really
stupid right now. When I started into the saltwater hobby I was
evidently told all the wrong things. Ok, here we go. I have a 46g
bow front with no sump, a BakPak 2 protein skimmer and a canister
filter plus about 45 to 50 pounds of live rock and live sand for the
substrate. I was told this is basically all I needed. DUH!!!.
<This setup can be quite successful, not that bad.> I'm currently
in the process of getting my newly acquired calcium reactor up and
running but have decided to hold off until other problems are
solved. First, I would like to know what I need exactly to get this
thing right. Sump, canister filter or a wet/dry filter, or a
combination? <If you wish to upgrade, a simple sump will do.
This can house your reactor, skimmer, heater, etc. While you are at
it, do consider incorporating a fishless macroalgae refugium, these
can work wonders. No wet/dry needed, you rock takes care of that,
the canister can be used for mechanical filtration and running
carbon if you wish, but will need to be cleaned very frequently as
to not allow detritus to accumulate, leading to nitrate production.
Do also keep in mind that a sump/refugium can be something as simple
as a $5 plastic bin or cheap 20 gallon aquarium, no need to spend
several hundreds of dollars on acrylic unless you want to.> I
eventually want to put corals in this system so I want the setup to
be right. My canister filter is on its last legs and I've been
pricing the Eheim pro's but if this type of filter is not good then
I could easily spend the money on a sump or wet/dry and overflow box
plus pumps and plumbing. <I would rather see you invest in a
sump and overflow setup with this rather than another canister.
Also, do consider drilling this tank for an overflow before you
stock a bunch of corals in it!.> Please help this poor misguided
fool! Craig <It sounds like you are on the right track, Scott
V.> Re: Sump or Canister filter or both? 8/24/08
Thank you for the quick response. <Welcome.> I have a few more
questions though. I've read that the live rock shouldn't be placed
directly on the LS due to trapping dangerous gases. This is how my
current setup is. I would have to change it I know, but do I save
the sand by vacuuming it very well or should I just replace it?
Should I replace the LR as well or remove it and scrub it down and
hope for the best? The rock should be raised up above the LS
correct? Then just arrange the LS around the LR or leave the LS out
all together and place the rock on the glass? <Hmmm, the only
real danger comes if you wish to have digging critters in the tank.
They can dig beneath a rock, leading to a rockslide in your tank.
You may put the rock in your tank and then add the sand if you wish
for your aquascaping to be more stable. Use the same rock and sand,
no need to change.> As far as a sump goes, what needs to be in it
besides a return pump? I know I can place the skimmer in it and the
return line from the reactor but I've read that bio bale or balls
are not good. <Nope, your live rock will provide biofiltration.>
My protein skimmer has bale, should I remove it? <I would. This
stuff is in there just as much to prevent microbubbles as anything.
With the skimmer in your sump this should not be an issue. Also, do
pay attention to the water level relative to the skimmer, this can
make a huge difference.> Should carbon go into the sump or some
kind of phosphate remover? <Carbon if you run it. Phosphate
removers should be used with caution and water testing. It is easy
to strip the water of phosphate, it is a required compound.> I've
been searching around some sites looking for a sump and overflow
boxes, what is your opinion on these? CPR CS50 300gph and the CPR
CS90 600gph for the overflow and a Eshopps RS-75 10gal sump.
<They will all work, use double what you will need incase one fails,
likely in time one will. Also, plan on an actual flow of 300 gph per
1” bulkhead, this is the size these boxes typically use. Do consider
the drilling I mentioned before, check out my site: Glass-Holes.com
for more info.> I'm not sure what my flow rate should be for the
sump so that’s why I'm looking at two different overflow boxes. I've
honestly thought about emptying the tank completely and take the
fish to my LFS for safe keeping until I can get all this stuff
cleared up, good idea or bad? <No, not really much to clear up.>
This tank has been running for about 6 yrs. now as is. <If the
status quo is working, maybe you don’t want to touch it!> I'm in
SC and there aren't any really good LFS's in this area where the
info can be trusted. I have some books but they all approach a
marine setup differently. The sump info and LR,LS info would really
help me out in trying to figure out what to do. I love the site you
all have and have found the information eye-opening, thank you
again. Craig <All this is just a matter of reading through the
WWM FAQs re overflows and plumbing. Doing so will shed much more
light on the whole process. Welcome, Scott V.>
Re: Sump or Canister filter or both? 8/26/08 Hi again,
o.k. you've sold me on the drilling idea because my airline to my
skimmer gets clogged all the time. But how do I drill the tank with
the fish still in it? <You don’t, it will need to be emptied.
Very much worth doing before you take the leap of adding corals.>
Also, I'm not clear on the comment about the water level in relation
to the skimmer in the sump. How do I get the water level right in
the sump to prevent a flood if the power goes out? <There are
many, many pages covering this. Start here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/sumpdesfaq.htm and it will become clear.>
As far as the LR and LS, I plan on removing both and place the rock
on top of 2" dia. pvc cut to a 1" or 1-1/2" height to raise it off
the floor of the tank and then adding the LS. Just not sure on the
depth the LS should be. Sounds like a good idea? <Yes, this will
be fine. As for the sand: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dsbfaqs.htm .>
This is a 46g. bow front tank so which overflow would I need?
<An overflow that will handle the flow we discussed previously will
do. Get one that will handle twice to flow (more drains) to have
some redundancy; ideally two 1.5” drains.> Thanks again. The
information here is golden. Craig <Welcome, keep reading,
Scott V.> |
Fluval fx5... SW filtr., English, using WWM – 07/16/08 hi
thanks for your time, I am interested in purchasing a fluval fx5 <Are
much improved models over previous... but... not the best technology for
the vast majority of home-hobbyist marine systems. You have read our
input re on WWM?> for my saltwater 125 gallon tank witch <Which>
is glass, I am very familiar with overflow boxes, wet/dry filtration
ect. <... no such word> I just don't like the fact that there is
more of a chance to get water damage If I were to have a problem like a
loose venturi hose or power outage. (I have a 60 gal. acrylic with built
in overflow boxes that I am much more comfortable with) since its glass
I don't want to drill holes. I had this tank set up about 2 years ago
with the overflow boxes, wet/dry & skimmer before. I want to set it up
again but with a fluval fx5. I would have about 50-70 lbs. live rock
about 2" live sand, <See WWM re this as well> 2 main fish like
tangs and a school of damsels and a few small wrasses.(6 line or so)
with decorative shrimps. <Mmm, may be consumed by the
Pseudocheilinus...> I would also run a turbo flotor multi (hang on)
skimmer, along with the fluval fx5. Do you think that would be adequate?
<Nope> please let me know I would be very thankful. <... Please
run your writing through a grammar, spell-checker before sending it to
us... Your answers/input and much more related, useful information is
archived on our site. Please learn to/use the search tool, indices
there. Bob Fenner>
Re:
Thinking about changing my filter methods. 7/15/08 Ok I
have read and read and read your fabulous website. I think I have put
together a new solution to my filter needs. OK how does this sound. I am
going replace my old wet-dry system and protein skimmer with a new
larger sump, with a refugium (using a DSB and some macro algae and some
rock rubble), and a fluidize bed filter. I am also considering using my
old sump as a place to place rock rubble in. I am going to continue to
use my protein skimmer as long as I need it. My goal for this new system
is to help minimize maintenance and allow me to do smaller water changes
every other week and to lower my nitrates. Again I have a heavy bio-load
and my fish are messy eaters. What do you think of this set-up? any
improvements? <Mmm, particulars re lighting, RDP... choices of
macro-algae... All covered here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/marsetupindex2.htm the second tray. BobF>
-Garrett Arnold
Question regarding Steve Tyree's Sponge
Filtration Concept - 7/1/08
Dear Bob/WWM crew, <SB in Bs> I am very interested in integrating
Steve Tyree's sponge filtration model in my current aquarium. However, I
consulted the opinions of several experts and they all said that though
sponges filter feed from the water, they excrete ammonia as metabolic
wastes, therefore contributing ammonia to the aquaria. They all agree
that algae is better choice for nutrient control in aquaria. What are
your opinions regarding this? Thanks. Best regards, SpongeBob in
boxers <Mmm, most all animals produce ammonia (or analogs urea, uric
acid) to degrees via amine catabolysis... Sponges don't make much, and
there are (in well-enough) arranged set-ups mechanisms for dealing with
such... Of SteveT's many semi-novel ideas the cryptic zone (low, no
light, circulation) use of Poriferans is worth investigating. Bob
Fenner>
Filter size? 04/07/2008 Hi everyone, <<Hello, Andrew today>>
I am new to the salt water game. I have bought and have been reading the
Conscientious Marine Aquarist. On page 40 of the book it states that I
should cycle my water 5 to 10 times per hour. <<Hmmm.. a preference i
feel, i would shoot somewhere in the region of 25 time per hour in a
reef>> I have a seventy two gallon bow front glass tank. The store
where I bought it initially told me that an SP4 was much too large for
my system, but since I brought the info in the book to their attention
they are unsure if a Rena SP4 canister filter is too large and will
cause too strong a current, as I do not have a refugium. <<I presume
you mean the Rena XP4, and not SP4..The rating of the XP4 is 409gph.
With a tank your size, i suggest you have about 1800gph. So, you would
need to get some powerheads into the tank to raise the current flow up>>
At present I am running a borrowed SP3, a SeaClone 150 and two 402
powerheads. The next purchase I am going to make is a canister filter, I
just need to know which would be better for the size of my tank? <<If
you're aiming for a reef system, you could just use 1 - 1.5lbs of live
rock per gallon of tank water and this will act as your filtration, and
not need an external filter. The SeaClone skimmer i would stay away
from, and choose something like a Deltec or Aqua C Remora skimmer. Far
better skimmers in my opinion.>> I ultimately will have a reef
system. Thank you for your time, Brad Knowlton <<Thanks for the
questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Filtration Question 3/5/08
Hello everyone, <Hello.> I really enjoy your site and find your
information and suggestions right on the mark. My question to you is,
can you recommend books that discuss the science of water quality and
filtration in the home aquarium? <Reef Invertebrates by Anthony
Calfo and Bob Fenner covers filtration and what is does for your water
quality.> I am very interested in learning about the science and in
building my own filtration systems; not to save money, but rather as a
sub-hobby to the aquarium hobby. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
<For the fabrication aspect of it I would contact some plastic
suppliers. Most have literature on acrylic fabrication that they will
send you. Fabricating your own filtration and other equipment is
definitely a worthwhile hobby to pursue. Unfortunately, I know of no one
resource that covers the filtration and fabrication of (Bob may?),
>>Ah, no... hence, in part, my urging to have you produce such a work.
RMF<< it is something that is something that it coming to fruition,
slowly. What you seek can also be found cruising the net and using
common sense processing what you read (remember everyone is an expert
online). Have fun, Scott V.>
Mechanical Filtration 2/20/08 Hello! <John.> OK, yet
ANOTHER "active filtration" question: I just thought of a theory
(imperfect as it probably is): When you think about it, the "problem"
with canister filters being nitrate factories (due to the accumulation
of crud inside them) may not really be A problem. After all, the way I
see it, the crud that used to be in your tank has only moved to a
different place - inside the filter. Either way, it is STILL part of
the makeup of your water - correct? <Yes, the problem with canister
filters and other mechanical filtration media.> Doesn't this mean
that moving it from one place (all over your LR) to another (inside a
canister filter) shouldn't technically do ANYTHING to your nitrates?
<Not if you leave it there. Hopefully the filter will be cleaned often
and the detritus removed.> The reason I ask is because I am
DESPERATELY seeking a way to eliminate all the mulm I see all over my LR
between "turkey bastings". I felt that if I had active filtration
(instead of just the tons of LR I have in the back chamber of my Aquapod
24) then at least I could export this fluffy grey gunk out of the tank
and periodically clean my filter out. <Exactly what you need my
friend.> With just the LR, all I'm getting is biological - no
mechanical. <Do consider a protein skimmer, it will remove much of
this out of the water column. This is what makes these such a powerful
filtration tool.> Regards, John <Thank you for writing, Scott
V.>
Freshwater to Marine, Overflow and Filtration 2/13/08 Hi,
<Zach> I have been reading through the posts and have tried the
search but am still having a hard time. I have a 30 gallon bowfront
(undrilled) that I am currently using as a freshwater aquarium and I
would like to convert it to saltwater. I am confused as to whether or
not I should try drilling it myself and just add a sump (I'm afraid I'll
shatter it), do I really have to drill it to use a sump or can you refer
me to a post that would explain how to run a sump without drilling?
<There are many such posts throughout WWM about using siphon type
overflow boxes such as CPR. If you are not comfortable drilling or
cannot find a shop to drill for you, it would be the way to go. Do
consider running two in case one fails.> I was also wondering whether
or not a wet/dry or canister filter is ever going to be capable of doing
as good a job as a sump? <Adequate filtration can be accomplished; it
will just take more maintenance on your part cleaning the filter
frequently to maintain good water quality. Obviously you will lose the
extra water volume and its benefits going with a canister.> Should I
just bite the bullet and get a H.O.B. "sump"? <I would opt for a
true sump or the canister, perhaps in addition to a hang on the back
refugium.> Thanks a lot for your time and my apologies for probably
asking a bunch of questions you've probably already answered elsewhere.
Zach <I have included some pertinent links for you to read through
below. Keep reading and all will be clear, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ovrflosel.htm
http://wetwebmedia.com/refughangonmodelfaqs.htm
http://wetwebmedia.com/pbholestools.htm
Natural Methods of Marine Filtration hello <Hello! Ryan with you
today> we would like to set up a 350l reef tank with invertebrates
and some (not many) fish. <Smart girl! Fewer fish keeps things simple
and easy.> the confusion we have is that we have asked a lot of
marine stores, read books and looked on the internet and we seem to get
conflicting advice as to what is the best way to setup. <Commission
talks, you know! I'll be as impartial as possible for you.> we were
wondering if a DSB of 4" (in tank) using CaribSea Aragamax sugar would
be ok with a small amount of live rock. <No, not really. 4 inches is a
problematic depth- Too small for a true deep sand bed, yet too deep for
a small one. It'll trap debris and not process waste properly. Either
5+ inches, or less than an inch is about right.> We have been told
everything from this is ok to we don't want a DSB we need a plenum
(because the DSB will compact to concrete) to we want all live rock and
not to bother with DSB or plenum!!! <Yes, the DSB is great, but enjoyed
best remotely (not in the display aquarium.) From looking at the FAQ
on your site it seems that there isn't too much danger in a DSB and we
have heard that the actual "plenum" is hard to keep clear of matter as
some gets through the mesh and then you have to pull your tank apart to
clean it. <Yes, plenums are great when under a skilled eye...But can be
problematic for beginners. I'd skip either in favor of refugia in your
case.> we have a filter as well for nitrification but we need to
find the best way for denitrification. <the live rock, healthy
circulation> Is there any rules that a DSB cannot be disturbed? can
you not have critters that dig into it a little? <The opposite, in
fact. The worms, clams and stars that inhabit your sand will help to
keep the bed fresh.> if so what should be avoided? <For the benefit of
the sand bed? Really, I can't think of any commonly purchased animals
that are a detriment to the deep sand bed filtration system.> if we
have a mixture of DSB and live rock, how much live rock? again we have
been told anything from 1 piece to 40kg!!(a bit of a difference)
<Hmm...sorry to sound so Americanized, but approx. 2 pounds per gallon
of seawater is my preference.> also if we put other rock into the
tank with the live rock, will it become "live" <Yes, in most cases>
it is so hard when you try to get as many opinions as possible and you
end up in more of a mess than when you started. We want to be able
to understand WHY the system works, not simply work to a formula. <I
thought you'd never ask!
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nutrientcontrol.htm. Control nutrients,
and become the talk of all your salty friends.> I suppose everyone
has there own "best" system, but it would be nice to know the science
behind it if you could help us in this we would be extremely
grateful. <It's actually quite simple, and I'd encourage you to take
the natural approach to any difficulties you may have. I trust these
articles will be helpful to your understanding of natural filtration
methods:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/reeffilt.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marsubstr.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marmechf.htm Just remember one thing:
Natural fixes are permanent, artificial fixes are typically just buying
you time! Ryan> thanks in advance Lyndsay
Jumpin' Into Sumps! Hi, <Hi! Scott F. with you today!> I am
setting up a new 135 tank to be a reef tank, and I am trying to figure
out to best filter it. I plan for my main sources to be live rock and
sand in the tank, but I also intended to run a filter underneath it. My
original intent was to run a wet/dry filter, but after reading bad
things about using bioballs, I decided to go more towards just a sump
with a protein skimmer. <I like sumps. They are very flexible, and
can be applied to reef, FOWLR, and breeding systems with equal
effectiveness> Anyway, I purchased a wet/dry filter with the
skimmer. The size is 24Lx12Wx16T. It is a two-chamber unit, and my
intent was to put some live rock/sand macro algae and critters in it
along with the skimmer. Since buying it, though, I have been told that
this is too small for my use (even though the filter is rated for
aquariums 100 - 180 gallons). After being told that, I thought about
using a 55 gallon tank that has been baffled, but that seems really
big. I am really confused. Is this filter too small? <Well, it
might be on the "small side" of useful, if that makes sense. In other
words, you probably could benefit from a slightly larger sump, for
1)Greater capacity during drain-downs (as in power failures, etc. and
2)flexibility, such as being able to add a skimmer, chemical filtration
media, areas to settle out detritus, etc. As long as you pump can do the
job, your system would certainly benefit from the added water capacity
that the 55 will afford...> If it is, is the 55 gallon too big?
<I don't think so, as stated above> If the wet/dry is okay to use,
what would be the best arrangement? Should the live rock go in the
first compartment? Would the next compartment have the live
sand/macro algae? Where would the skimmer go (sorry, I don't know the
brand, but it is a large venturi, and it was being run by a Rio 2100
pump)? <I'd put the skimmer in a position where it receives a steady
flow of the most nutrient laden water right from the tank, which will
provide maximum skimmer efficiency. Then, you could go for some live
rock or chemical media, such as Poly Filter or carbon. Finally, you
could add some "purposeful" macroalgae (like my faves, Chaetomorpha or
Gracilaria) in a lighted section of the sump (you can use an inexpensive
PC or fluorescent fixture for this). The sky (and your creativity- and
budget(!) are the only limits here...> I apologize for all the
questions, but I have never done this before, and I am trying to figure
out what to do before I do it. <No apologies needed- that's why we
are here! I'd make use of the vast resources available on the WWM site
regarding sumps. You should also visit the SIIICCKK (as in "great"!)
Aussie DIY site, OzReef, for tons of practical ideas on sumps. Finally,
there was a nice multi-part series in the on line mag Reef Keeping on
sumps, that you may want to check out as well.> I have a nice 55
gallon reef now, but I don't have any filtration underneath it, so this
is new to me. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you,
Paul <Well, Paul, there are just a few simple rules to follow
when designing and setting up sumps. Once you follow the basics, there
is no limit to the cool things that you can try to take advantage of the
flexibility that sumps offer. Have fun! Regards, Scott F>
New Tank Filtration Hi Bob, <<Hi Danny>> Attached is
my new tank filtration. Below are the water condition. a)
Ammonium NH4 – 0.1 mg/l b) Nitrite NO2 – 0.2 mg/l c) Nitrate
NO3 – 25.0 mg/l <<These should be zero excepting a small amount
nitrate, which could be resolved with more LR. Sponges will need
cleaning on constant basis to keep them from going bio and producing
nitrates. I would stay on top of those or remove, same with all
other media, make sure you change them out on a regular schedule
before they become an unseen problem.>> d) Calcium Ca – 420 ppm
e) pH – 8.5 f) KH – 12 dKH g) Salinity - 1.023 h)
Temperature - 26 oC Q1. Is it filtration enough ? <<I would
rely on more LR. How long has this been set up? If new, then tank is
not fully cycled or you have ammonia source. (waste, dead stuff,
source water).>> Q2. Is the water condition acceptable ? <<See
above>> Q3. Water movement from sump to main tank is generated by
a 1240 gph powerhead and there is a 462 gph powerhead which run
internally inside the main tank. It the water movement enough ?
<<Does this flow factor in head height pump must pump up? Total is
okay if so, ideally ten times total volume turn over per hour =1500
gph, so seems good.>> Q4. The metal halide is on from 11 am to 8
pm, is it enough ? <<In truth, properly sized and set up MH's do
their work in about 4-6 hours. However, living things have evolved
to varying photoperiods, known as seasons. Longer hours of light in
summer and shorter in winter. The winter photoperiod gets down to
about 8 hours, so this is the least I would go myself. Properly
sized MH's do all they need to do in about 6 hours, but you need a
longer photoperiod to simulate nature anywhere from 10-12 hours) and
the remaining photoperiod can be VHO, PC etc. Your MH will do this
but after about 6 hours it's mainly adding heat. With only MH, I
would go for about 10 hours minimum. I use a 12 hour photoperiod,
the first two hours VHO, then MH's come on for 8 hours, then VHO for
last two hours. Make sure your ventilation is up to par.>> Thanks
again for your advice.. <<You're always welcome, hope it works
for you, Craig>> Regards Danny | 
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Filtration...what to do? Hello to all, Your website is very
informative, I have just gotten a 60g Hex and I want to set it up as a
marine aquarium. I have been bombarded with filtration
suggestions...one gentlemen suggested a Fluval 404 with a protein
skimmer, another said an Emperor 400 BioWheel, protein skimmer, and some
live rock should be plenty. (The Fluval is not a consideration after
reading your faq section )...I am on a budget and am desperately seeking
some suggestions even as far as stocking the tank. Help! Thanks, Lori
<Much to discuss... do take the time (cheap and easy by comparison) to
read through much of the marine filtration articles and FAQs sections
posted on WetWebMedia.com first... determine about what sorts of system,
types of livestock you'd like to have... what you want to do with them
(optimize growth, color, reproduction, just have a nice system)... and
your options. Do write a synopsis of what your real options are, perhaps
just a table of possibilities and the gear (even sizes, brand names)
that could go into making your system. Strive to understand the
underlying principles (can I say/state it? the actual science) of what
the various types of gear "do" and how they "do it"... ahead or instead
of adverts or blank statements of "do this/that" to have a successful
aquarium. Clear your mind, and study my friend. We will be here to help
you. Bob Fenner> Biological Filtration Upgrade Hi Bob,
Just got back from a week of diving (including a 1000¹ dive on a
research sub) and I¹ve dedicated the last few vacation days to
cleaning/overhauling the ole fish tank. In reading Aquarium Sharks &
Rays, one of Scott Michael's suggestions is to use sand filters in lieu
of more traditional filters like wet/dry bio balls, undergravel,
canister, etc., due to the nutrient spikes concomitant with large
predators. <Many larger, public aquariums rely on this technology...
expensive to run for power, throwing away a bunch of water for
backwashing... but can work> I have several filtrations systems on my
600 gallon shark tank. I was considering keeping bio balls in a trickle
filter but replacing a canister filter (full of ceramic pieces) with a
fluidized sand filter. <Okay> Two reasons: First, I think ceramic
pieces in a large canister filter setup is relatively inefficient for
the amount of space it takes up under the stand (18" in diameter and
about 30" tall). Is this correct?? <For large predator tanks, yes...
more nitrification to be had by fluidized bed methods... more still by a
wet-dry tower with air blown up it> Wouldn't the same size fluidized
sand filter provide GREATLY increased area for bacteria. Second,
cleaning accumulated debris out of the ceramic pieces involves a
multi-hour canister removal/replacement, which can't be good for the
bacteria colony. With the way sand filters are constructed, aren't they
generally self-cleaning? <If packed correctly, and managed properly
(principally regular backwashing) yes... many times/cases folks just use
too much, too fine silica sand as media... bad news packing and
channeling...> I'd much rather my protein skimmer be responsible for
collecting and removing algae and other debris rather than a dedicated
bio filter. <Need both types of filtration> I'd like your thoughts
on this strategy as well as any recommendations of suitable
manufacturers and/or retailers (600 gallon tank. Will probably be
driving the unit with 1,5002,000 gph). Believe it or not, even in a
city as large as Dallas, we're pretty short on high tech aquarium
suppliers who would carry this kind of equipment. <Check with
Aquanetics... link on WWM for pumps, all-plastic filters... Euro-Reef or
RK2 for a skimmer. Bob Fenner> Thanks once again!!
Filtration systems Bob, I am in the "research" phase of
establishing a smaller saltwater aquarium (25g-30g). For the most part,
I understand equipment, compatibility, water quality, etc. but am a
little confused (no, a lot confused) about the filtering. I would like
to use live rock (Bio?)<Yes, and more> to do the filtering but, do I
need anything else and if so what would you suggest. <Hmm, yes... at
least some skimming is advisable at the start... the first few months...
you will see decided changes in the qualities, amount of collectant...
and some periodic chemical filtration like monthly use of activated
carbon... along with perhaps some boosted macroalgae growth (intense
lighting, sufficient water quality)> Please be specific as I am that
confused. <Keep researching till your confusion fades... you have an
obvious talent for communication... and will be able to discern your
path... Do look for Walter Adey's works on the Net... and read them over
as well as the scant coverage of "Setup", "Components" posted on our
site: www.WetWebMedia.com... seek to understand the underlying
principles and you will know how to proceed> I do know that I don't
want a wet/dry system if it can be avoided at all. <Easily. Bob
Fenner> Thanks for the help. Thom Walters Marine
filtration Hi Bob, question number 2. How would you go about
filtering a 120 tank (84" x 18" x 18"). At present it is fairly
heavily stocked, but it is about to undergo renovation. Stock at
present is: Emperor Angel 4.5" Queen Angel 4.5" Yellow Tang
3.5" Regal (hippo) Tang 3" Foxface 4" 2 Humbug damsels 1"
each Royal Gramma 2" 6 Line Wrasse 2" Midas Blenny 2.5"
Algae Blenny 3.5" Maroon Clown 3" Soon to leave are the queen,
damsels, maroon, and midas. They are going to friend, who really likes
them, so I am selling them to him, and am going to replace them myself
with other species (although I will be substituting the queen for a
flame .... not another large angel). Presently the main filtration
consists of a Berlin classic skimmer, and a Lifeguard Fluidized Bed (for
300 gals). At present there is no LR or LS in the system. I am
unhappy with water quality in general, especially constantly high
nitrates ... sometimes more than 50ppm, despite biweekly 25% water
changes with nitrate free water. How would you suggest I filter my
tank ? Thanks, Matthew (Co. Cork, Ireland) >> Thank you for
writing... I would definitely be adding the live rock... and allowing it
to make your sand live.... And checking to assure your lighting will be
adequate for the live rock's photosynthetic component... Save your
money and thank me later for not buying and doing all those water
changes... and get a nice needle wheel type skimmer (foam fractionator)
like a Turboflotor, and place it in one of your sumps.... The other, I
would stock with some more live rock, a continuously on light (small
fluorescent will do) with some Caulerpa Algae... You will soon be of
more of the "sailboat" mentality of aquarium keeping (as opposed to
fighting the declining water quality "motor boat" ways...) my friend,
Bob Fenner External vs. Internal Filtration Bob, I am
compiling opinions of which of the two methods are preferred. I like the
fact that the internal keeps everything inside with less danger of water
leakage but I am not sure that the filtering of the water is maximized.
The tank is 48" wide, 24" high and 24" deep which allows for about 4"-5"
in the back for wet/dry filter and protein skimmer. What are your
thoughts? Charles Early >> External in almost all
cases/scenarios... much easier to manipulate... and in modern installs,
almost no problems of leaking. Bob Fenner Filtration
Bob, is the undergravel filtration a bad type of filter to use? Every
one who I have talked to says that the undergravel filtration that runs
by 2 802 aqua clear powerheads is a bad set up. They all say that the
undergravel filtration will give me nothing but problems. The also say
my hang on filter aqua clear 500 is a piece of junk. I decided to first
put on a millennium wet/ dry filter first, then later put on a protein
skimmer. They also say my millennium wet/dry is also a piece of junk.
Bob is this true about what they said about my filters? >> <Well, as
the saying goes, all are entitled to their opinions... but do demand
"facts" of these folks as to their commentary reasoning. First, no,
undergravel filters are not necessarily bad... in fact they have been
and are the paradigm around the world... most everyone does use them...
they do have shortcomings certainly, and are not for the lazy who won't
do minimum maintenance to make sure they don't just become collectors of
filth... And as far as hang on type power filters I am not a big fan of
the Hagen AquaClear (tm) line, but there is really nothing "wrong" with
them... they're underpowered, but they do work, are reliable, easy to
clean, quiet, energy efficient... Tetra's Millennium wet-dry I don't
care for either... it does work, but is puny size/function-wise, and not
easy to use... Yes, there are better filters by other manufacturers...
but these will/do work for what they're designed for. Small "beginner"
systems. Bob Fenner> Filtration - enough not enough
Dear Mr. Fenner: Your book is great. I'm on my second reading. just
in case I missed anything. I am putting together a 75 gal. F/0 tank. I
have a Marine Tidepool II with an Amiracle cross current protein skimmer
in the sump and a mechanical pre-filter in the overflow. I will have a
crushed coral substrate. Do I need anymore filtration than this?
<Probably not> I have been posting on the forums on the web and many
people tell me I should also add a canister filter and a UV sterilizer.
<These would help, incrementally... but they're not necessary... and to
put all in perspective, you would do better devoting the same resources
to live rock, maintenance... even other filter gear like an ozonizer...>
I understand the concept of UV sterilization but isn't that more a
concern of reef keepers than with fish only tanks? <Not really...
the benefits of using UV accrue with all types of systems... lowered
overall microbial populations, higher Redox, dissolved oxygen... more
stable pH....> I'd rather spend any extra money on fish rather than
more filtration, but if I need more I will get it. Any input you can
give me, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your
help. Susan Krueger <Be chatting, Bob Fenner, who thanks you for
your message and kind, encouraging words> New S/W Setup
I am about to set up a 75 gallon reef tank. It is my first venture into
saltwater and therefore I have a lot of questions. Your web site is
great and has given me considerable guidance so far. The one issue that
I still am not entirely clear on is filtration. This tank will use
live rock, probably 90 lbs of Fiji rock. I will of course have a protein
skimmer, currently considering one of the Berlin models ( most likely
the hang on version). For pure mechanical filtration I will use either a
Fluval or Eheim which will turn over the water 5 times per hour. Now the
questions. Will the canister filter contribute to the production of
nitrate? <Not if set up, run correctly... can provide both aerobic
and hypoxic/anaerobic conditions for culture... read through the FAQs
associated with mechanical, biological filtration on the site... invest
in Ehfi-mech, Siporax or such (one time purchase)...> Should it be
eliminated. Do I need a wet/dry filter? <No, but having a sump is
very nice... flexible... increases safety margins...> Should it be a
sump type or one of the wet/dry canister filters? <Sumps> And
since I am at it I should ask if you have any thoughts on the rock,
skimmer or the canister filter. <What you have listed is fine... the
Eheim is a vastly superior product> Thanks for the time and
assistance - I am going out tomorrow to look for your books. Paul <Be
chatting my friend. Bob Fenner>
Uniquarium Revamp - 10/03/05 Gang, <<TJ>> Thanks,
you've given me some great advice over the last few weeks of
revamping the filter chamber on my 50G Uniquarium (mixed soft/LPS
coral, lots of live rock, sand bed, Low bioload. Great water
parameters less Nitrate at 20PPM due to remaining bioballs and
mechanical filter sponges (I believe). <<Likely, yes>> In
process of removing bioballs and waiting for skimmer to be available
in U.S. market. I would like, if you do not mind, some comments on
this design (attached). Granted chambers are small, because that is
what I have to work with. No room behind tank and no sump (per se).
<<understood>> I am going to use a TUNZE 9002 skimmer (only
thing that will fit). <<A good brand.>> Roger Vitko at Tunze
USA suggests it would be adequate and also suggested the Chemipure.
<<Agreed on both counts.>> No permanent mod.s would be made to
tank. Small acrylic block-off plate is a good press fit. Settling
chamber would likely be a removable container for ease of
cleaning. Any additional suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks TJ <<Nice diagram... Looks to me like you've done a
good job with what you have. EricR>> | 
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Are Refugiums and Sumps Mandatory? 11/3/05 Greetings, <Hi
Brad!> Brad B. here. I've been reading a lot on your web site to try
an educate myself, answer questions and get ideas. I'm trying to be a
good steward and have a basic question. First, here's my scoop: 46 g bow
front marine aquarium / 60 lbs of live reef sand / mix of rock and live
rock - a good coverage of LR but not all that much weight as I chose
specimens with good color and surface area but light (save $$) / two
Emperor 280s (fiber media plus activated carbon cartridges) / AquaC
Remora skimmer with MaxiJet 1200 / two AquaClear 50s and two AquaClear
30s for circulation / Coralife 36" with a 96W Actinic, 96W 10,000K
white, and two lunar LEDs on a timer - Actinic = 12 hrs and White
10,000K 8 hrs... okay... Can I expect good success (such as
getting/keeping nitrates near zero) with a low fish load - inverts -
corals given the above stated setup without adding a sump or refugium?
<Brad of course it is possible to get away without a refugium or a sump.
Though I will say a refugium is in my opinion a great asset to any
marine tank, not only as a nutrient export device as a breeding ground
for detritivores and micro-fauna. The sump is a great place to hide
equipment and improve the aesthetics of the display. And both the
refugium and the sump increase your water volume and thus your margin of
error. Having said that yes, as I stated above these are not mandatory.
However the heavier maintenance because of the lack of these devices
will fall on you. You may need to perform extra water changes; and yes I
would understock your tank as far as fish.> I want to/did invest in
good stuff but want to keep it simple as possible. Many thanks!
<Welcome Adam J.> SW starting up 8/5/05 Hi, this is
my first time writing to you, I just sold a 37 gallon salt water tank, I
want to go with a 50 gallon (36x15x20-25?) nothing too big, and this was
directly asked by my parents to keep it this size. I already have an XP3
canister, I'm using this to keep my filter, live rock, and live sand in
a 30 gallon bucket. We're going with a ten inch high canopy with
retrofit lighting (compacts: three 96watt: two 96 watt actinic and one
10k white), is this suffice for a 50 gallon reef tank? <For many
types of life, yes... there are other routes...> I say reef tank
meaning soft corals, mushrooms, polyps, Leathers, etc. etc. nothing too
light dependent. What do you believe to be the best filtration system? A
sump? <... this is posted on WWM... I am a big fan of sumps.> I
was looking into an ecosystem 60 (a hang on the back refugium?) Do you
have any experience with these? <Yes> Do I need a protein
skimmer? <I would have one, yes> Which one of those two
filtration system (refugium ecosystem 60 or a sump) are more efficient?
Do they both have pro's and con's? <Yes... and these are posted...>
Are they both enough on their own? Or will something have to be added
later on? <Depends... on what you keep, want to do with it...> I
know power heads will be must. If a sump is the best way to go, is it a
wet/dry system, without bio-balls and live rock? Is a refugium
underneath to much for such a small system? I want to do this right the
first time; it's too expensive to make mistakes in this hobby.
<Agreed... which is why we've invested thousands of hours of our lives
assembling input for your perusal... WWM, please go, read there. Bob
Fenner> Thank you very much, Jessica Rose
Reef:
Research, Equipment, Research, Circulation, Research - 8/4/5 Hi,
my name is Travis. <Hi Travis, Oh no, they set us up the bomb! ;) -
Ali here..> Let me take a moment to explain my situation. I started
out with a small tank and a big Oscar about 6 months ago. The Oscar got
moved to a bigger tank, and he outgrew it. Then he moved to another
bigger tank, 75 gallons, and he got ich and died. Six months ago when I
bought that Oscar, I had never owned a fish. Now all I think about are
aquariums. Anyway, after the Oscar died, I decided that Oscars were not
my bag. So what do I do after failing at my first attempt? <Grab
several cups of coffee and start researching?> I decide to go with a
reef tank. I know, go ahead and laugh, I'm an idiot. So I've got this 75
gallon tank. I put a layer of crushed shells mixed with aragonite sand
in it. I then build up the back with lava rock as a base for my live
rock that I'll eventually get. I fill the tank with water and mix in the
salt mix, and that's where things get complicated. In my effort to get
everything right from the start, I will not buy a single live organism
until I know everything is set up exactly perfectly. <Good, however
your current set-up needs to be looked over and altered, continue to
browse this site along with www.reefcentral.com for proper reef tank
filtration methods and do some reading. I highly, highly recommend you
pick up Bob's The Conscientious Marine Aquarist and read, read and read
some more.> I had a Marineland 350 BioWheel filter and a Marineland
Magnum 350, both of which I was planning to use on this saltwater tank.
I was given advice against BioWheels, so I moved that filter to my other
freshwater tank, and I returned the Magnum 350 to the store so I could
afford more important items. I then bought what I thought was a good
protein skimmer, a Prizm Pro Deluxe (a.k.a. garbage). So the skimmer did
not do anything other than fill the collection cup with water and leak,
so I returned it. Then I read some more, and decide I need a reverse
osmosis unit, as my tap water is high in nitrates (about 30 ppm out of
the tap). I also have a "wavemaker" unit that is pretty much 3 295gph
powerheads plugged into a power strip designed to alternate them.
<Run your powerheads without the wavemaker. This type of 'wavemaker'
decreases circulation within the tank, do a search on this as well...In
a nutshell a wavemaker "stops" circulation and then turns it 'on' again.
Not a very good method and unfortunately many aquarist fall victim to
purchasing these devices. A better option would be to purchase, say for
example 4 MaxiJet 1200 powerheads and position one powerhead in each
corner of the tank. Position the nozzles so they are all pointing to the
center of the tank, causing the currents to collide with each other and
essentially creating chaotic and random flow/circulation without
'stopping' the circulation.> Now you know what I know, and here is
where I get to my questions. What do I need to buy to get my system set
up. I will help by suggesting things that I think I need, but am not
sure about: I have no stand, but the tank is resting on a very sturdy
dresser that is the perfect length. Do I need a real stand? <Here is
a picture of one of my old reef aquariums from 4 or 5 years ago... A
standard 50 sumpless gallon tank placed on an underwear drawer:
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/8980ProjectReefOLDTANK.jpg
So, no you don't 'need' a stand if you are going sumpless, however if
you plan on ever adding a hang on the back overflow box, you will need a
standard aquarium stand in order to place your sump underneath.> I
now have no protein skimmer: what is the best model for my size tank?
<Best hang-on skimmer the market now would probably be the AquaC Remora
Pro> I do not have a plenum, sump, or refugium: which would be best
to keep my nitrates low? <3-5" FINE grain sugar sized aragonite
substrate (CaribSea Aragamax select) along with high quality live rock,
good quality skimmer, lots of circulation and a low fish bioload.> I
plan to only house coral, and coral safe fish/inverts that thrive in
average to moderate lighting, because metal halide is out of the
question: how many watts do I need? I saw a 90 gallon glass tank with a
pine stand/canopy in the paper for $300, is this a good deal? Is there
anywhere that can just tell me step by step what I need to do to set up
my tank, and what brands of what equipment are good? <The internet,
especially this site and reefcentral.com have a ridiculous amount of
valuable information. You need to be assertive and take action - READ,
research, then do it again. Don't expect everyone to do it for you.>
I have no local fish stores, so it's all pretty much internet for me,
and I never know what or whom to trust. Also, please while answering my
queries keep in mind that I would like my tank to look nice and function
well, but I would also like to be able to afford to put a fish or two in
it sometime this century. <Good luck Travis, I'm sure that if you
continue your research (how many times have I used that word?), purchase
the proper equipment and utilize the proper husbandry techniques - your
new reef tank will be a long-term success. - Ali>
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