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Keeping it clean... |
Algae in Nano FOWLR 4/14/08
Hi,
<Ed.>
I have a 35l nano FOWLR tank, it contains 1 humbug damsel, 1 yellow tail damsel
and 1 cleaner shrimp. Everything has been going great except from a rather large
algae problem, I have removed the algae from the sides of the tank but the live
rock is still thickly covered in the green stuff!
<Uh-oh, ugly!>
Will the cleaner shrimp solve this?
<No, not at all.>
And if not can you suggest something reasonably priced that would? I have heard
that snails are good for eating algae but I would really appreciate some expert
advice.
<Snails can help control algae, but not to this extent Turbo or Astrea snails
being good additions. The best thing you can do is prevent the algae through
maintaining water quality and controlled feeding, difficult prospects in nano
tanks. I have included a link for you below. This article and the related FAQ’s
will guide you through sorting this issue out.>
Many thanks,
Ed
<Welcome, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/algaeconMar.htm
Nano tank 04/11/2008
Hi
<<Hello>>
I have a 28 gal mini reef with a 3 an a half in DSB over 30lbs of live rock a
Rena FilStar xp2 filter and no coral or fish as of yet. My question was
regarding something I had been hearing allot about presently it seems that many
forums and aquarists are saying that in a mini reef such as mine if you have
proficient live rock/sand you don't need a skimmer, they say that the cost and
disabilities (such as removing trace elements and micro-fauna) out way the
benefits they told me that frequent partial water changes remove all the
nitrates that need to be removed.
<<I do run such a mini reef system, 7 gallons in total volume. I do not run a
skimmer on this tank, water change 10% per week>>
Cost isn't really an issue for me but if protein skimming can cause negative
effects in such a small tank than I would rather not use it . Should I opt for
the "natural method" of reefing?
<<I see no reason why not, as long as your confident you know you're tank, as i do
mine>>
I intend to keep a mixture of soft and stony but none of the leathers that
produce stony killing toxins and maybe two fish. Thanks!
<<Sounds a good plan. Good luck with the nano. A Nixon>>
Attn: Sara
Hello again (are you sick of hearing from me yet?) LOL
<Haha, never.>
As I mentioned before, I've got a 29 gallon BioCube with all the parameters
where they should be. – 04/10/08
The occupants are;
2 Ocellaris Clowns (constantly bickering)
1 Watchman Goby (constantly looks p*ssed off)
1 small Lettuce Nudibranch
1 Skunk Cleaner Shrimp (won't leave my hand alone when I do ANYTHING to the
tank)
1 "Halloween" Hermit Crab (yeah, the one with the blue striped legs
3 Nassarius snails (Only one comes to visit at feeding time)
2 Red-Leg Hermit Crabs
1 Turbo Snail
Well, here's the issue - the Lettuce Nudibranch decided to hitch a ride on the
Turbo Snail. Now, the Turbo Snail is excreting what appears to be a long (single
strand) glop of slime, that coils around it's shell, and it's been there for
over 24 hours.
Did the Nudibranch do something to the snail?
<Honestly, it sort of sounds like the Nudibranch is laying eggs on the snail's
shell.>
Is the snail doing this in self-defence? or did the snail possibly think the
Nudibranch was trying to mate with it, and do what they do naturally?
It sounds gross, but I'm just curious as to what is going on with this snail
that never seems to get it's fill of algae.
<A picture would really help here. It's pretty impossible to say without one.>
Thanks again, (Gracias!)
DJ
<De nada,
Sara M.>
Black ray shrimp goby...
Hlth... Cnid. influence? 04/07/2008
Good Sunday Morning!
<<Hello, Andrew today>>
First off, sorry, in advance, for the long email and your site rocks!
<<Thanks for the comments>>
I am fairly new to the hobby and so far have been learning things a bit the hard
way - did not find your site until after I had lost all my fish due to too fast
and too much.
<<Ahh...a hard lesson to learn>>
I have a 34 gallon Red Sea system with about 3" of live sand and a gorgeous
piece of live rock (can't find the receipt to know what the weight is). I
started the system in July of '07. After losing all my livestock, I found your
wonderful site, let the tank go fallow for 8 weeks and bought a 12 gallon QT.
Through all, my cleaner shrimp, pistol shrimp, sand sifting starfish <<Would
suggest this tank is not suitable for a sifting starfish as these really need a
very well established sandbed>> and various 5 hermits, 3 Nassarius, 2
Trochus
and 2 Turbos survived. I have a chiller that keeps the temp 78-80 and water
tests out great (small amount of nitrate but all other numbers in your
recommended parameters).
<<Sounds good>>
I do have some corals - torch, toadstool leather, Trachyphyllia brain and
mushroom polyps - all spaced so that they stay out of each other's way. In
retrospect, I would never have started with a nano set up and would not have the
corals.
Long story longer...I currently have 2 ocellaris clowns, 1 flasher mutt wrasse,
one purple Firefish, and a black ray goby that paired up wonderfully with the
pistol shrimp.
All fish went through quarantine with the last 2, both gobies, being introduced
into the red sea main tank in December - shorter quarantine for them, as per
instructions from your site. All have been doing just great - except for the
occasional scrapping between the wrasse, Flash, and the gobies, Frankie & Spike.
<<Understandable aggression between these fish in a tank of this size>>
Spike is my main concern right now. A couple of the mushroom polyps have broken
loose from their original home and I just let them float freely until they found
a new home. They have found new spots in 2 of the entrances that Spike (black
ray) and Pete (pistol shrimp) use to go under the rock. I was not overly
concerned about that because they also had 2 other holes that they used in
addition to those places and I assumed that Pete would push the polyps out of
the way if need be. Spike has always been very aggressive during feeding times
and made sure that he got his share (I watch this carefully as the Yashia goby,
Obie Wan, that came with Pete originally was very shy and did not make it). We
have not seen Spike except for a couple of times since last Sunday - no worries
as that seems to be normal behavior. I was going to try to gently move the
polyps into a new spot in the tank so that the 2 entrances were freed up. I
planned on doing that today along with all the other tank maintenance that I do
on Sundays - clean up and water changes.
<<Ok>>
Unfortunately, late yesterday I noticed Spike swimming around near the surface
of the tank and very erratically. Fortunately, I have a 6 gallon nano cube set
up and going as a hospital tank - just in case. I was able to get Spike out of
the main tank and into the hospital tank immediately (did not like doing that
but was scared that the others would start harassing him or he would go back
under the rock and I would not be able to help him at that point). I guess my
question is could the polyps have had something to do with this?
<<I would not imagine mushrooms having a negative effect on the goby>>
Also, could the digging in the sand bed have unearthed some toxins?
<<Very possible, yes>>
Spike is in the HT and still swimming oddly (it is a bare bottom tank with some
PVC for hiding). I tried to feed him some pellets this morning and mysis shrimp
last night - he likes that food and I was able to put it right over his mouth -
no luck on the eating. In fact, he even lets me touch him. Honestly, I don't
think he is going to make it but I will keep trying. Next step is garlic
supplement in the food.
<<Indeed, i would add Selcon rather than garlic, as Selcon is a Vit
supplement>>
I really do not want to get another goby until I am a bit more sure of what
happened. I have way too much respect for these gorgeous creatures to get
another and risk it but I also am concerned about the pistol shrimp being
un-aided. This all assumes the Spike does not pull through this event.
<<Careful monitoring, feeding with Vit laden foods is the best way forward, to
get the Goby to rebuild strength>>
I searched your site for information on this but did not see anything specific
to the polyps and the goby - so much information and so little time to help
Spike. All other fish in the tank are just fine.
I am looking into a bigger tank as the smaller ones are a LOT of work.
<<I feel that a larger tank is really needed with you stock. I would expect
aggression in the tank due to the size and the fish in there>>
I wish that LFS would be more mindful of that before recommending them to new
hobbyist's.
<<Ahhhhhh..the good old fish shop just wants to make money>>
I also wish the LFS would promote the use of a QT. I research everything
extensively on your site, have "the book" by Dr. Bob and do not make a move
without consulting you's.
Thanks again and I appreciate any thoughts you may have -
<<Angela, i would take my suggestions on board....I.E Really do consider a
larger tank at least 50+ gals, start feeding the Goby on Vit laden foods and
monitor very closely in the hospital tank>>
Angela (Spike's concerned mom)
<<Thanks for the questions, good luck, hope this helps. A Nixon>>
Impossible Situation... Small
new SW system with natural/collected LR doing fine... 3/17/08
I am hoping you will be able to settle a discussion or at least give some
insight to a situation.
<... I'll try>
I have been reading your site for years now and value the great information that
you constantly provide. I have used this information to advise fellow marine
hobbyist with issues with their tanks
and constantly refer people to your great site!
However this one has me stumped and seems to defy every word ever written or
spoken about water quality. My friend decided to try to "play around" with a 29
gallon marine tank and local marine life from the gulf.
<The Gulf... of Mexico I'll take it>
He set up the tank with store bought salt and tap water and a water conditioner.
He filled said tank with rock with a good deal of algae growth on it from the
gulf and immediately placed
some local inhabitants into the tank.
<Mmm... this can be a daring... to precarious proposition... there is just SO
much life/biota on/in such rock... The "curing" process many folks employ...
from one point of view... is a "dying off" routine... to limit such life/death
in our systems>
Hermit crabs, anemone's, starfish, colon blenny, wrasse, sponge, pipefish, pink
urchin and a few store bought damsels.
<Yikes!>
The tank started to cycle and I advised small frequent water changes so he would
not lose anything from the tank. He was unable to keep nitrates and nitrites
down and basically gave up on water changes.
<... what about the life present?>
I cannot provide exact levels on the nitrates or nitrates since BOTH are OFF THE
CHART. Yes, levels of both are so high that the test kits cannot show the exact
level.
<Again... not unexpected... or to put this positively... to be expected>
Both are over 200 and over 10. Normally this would mean disaster and the end of
life in the tank and to be honest that is what I expected to happen. A month has
gone by and the levels have remained the same for the entire month.
The problem is, he has had ZERO loss of life in the tank. My first thought of
course was a faulty test kit so I tried two others. The levels of nitrate and
nitrite are correct. I would have expected at least the starfish and urchin to
perish but nothing.
<Mmm, marine life in general IS very tough>
None of the life in the tank has died in fact it seems to be thriving. I am
stuck sitting back scratching my head. I am sure we have all been there for a
tank crash and lost everything but this haphazard approach seems to defy all
logic.
<Heeee! Actually "more to this game" than a few simple "windows", tests...>
My question is do you have any clue why this is working for him?
<The life otherwise introduced as/with the rock mostly...>
I thought perhaps since he was using wild caught local life that perhaps it was
able to better adjust but he did add a few damsels from the local fish store and
they are doing well also. Yes I understand they are hardy but the levels are
just insanely off the chart and based on everything I have ever read this tank
should be void of life.
Please help me understand what is going on. Perhaps I should find out where he
purchased this "magic tank" and get one for myself. : )
Thanks so Much in Advance !
<No real simple, simplistic answer for you... but do know that the chemical
constituency provided by more complex mixes of life can/does greatly affect the
well-being of macro-life in closed systems... Some of this "magical
bouillabaisse" is at play here. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
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Starting an AquaPod reef...
3/14/08
Hey Crew!
Quick question...I've got a 12 gallon nano reef, up and running for 2 months now
with one small clown, blood shrimp and 4 blue legged hermit crabs occupying this
tank. Prior to putting the shrimp and clown in the tank I did my water tests and
everything was perfect. Since putting in the shrimp and the clown and eventually
the 4 crabs (who were supposed to be a clean up crew but as far as I'm concerned
they make more mess than they clean - I'll be getting rid of them tomorrow and
replacing them with smaller blue or red hermit crabs) my ammonia has shot
through the roof to 2.0.
<How much did you suddenly start feeding the tank when you added the livestock?
The combination of the added livestock and food might have been too much too
soon.>
I know the obvious way to bring the ammonia down is to do more aggressive water
changes or perhaps more frequently, but as I experienced last week; when pouring
in the salt due to it's small nature of the nano the corals get burned from the
contact with the salt (mental note....pre-mix)...can you recommend any piece of
equipment that can help me with keeping the ammonia down? If it was a normal
setup I would immediately purchase a protein skimmer but as I am now realizing,
these nano tanks aren't all they're cracked up to be
<Bingo. They're often without adequate filtration.>
as there is NO space for a skimmer or at least not one that I can find. Any of
the nano skimmers I have found involve me altering the hood which I am not
confident in doing. Is there a nano skimmer out there that will help me, perhaps
if I threw in a mangrove plant?
<A mangrove won't help. It wouldn't do well in such a tank anyway. Honestly,
there's not a whole lot you could do that wouldn't involve altering the hood to
add filtration or drilling the tank to add a sump. This is the trouble with nano
tanks systems. If you don't want to alter the tank, you'll have to find a way to
do the heavy, frequent water changes (i.e. pre-mix your water, etc.).>
HELP ME PLEASE!!
Thanks so much! I've been a reader for over 5 years now and have enjoyed every
minute of it!
<De nada and good luck,
Sara M.>
Re: Starting an
AquaPod reef... 3/14/08
Hi Crew,
<Hi>
This is in response to the above heading in today's questions. The
person has a 2 month old 14 gal nano and has problems with ammonia and
one clown in the tank. I started a 10 gallon over 5 years ago and lost
quite a bit of fish and critters during my first 6 months. Then I found
the Crew. I
still have the 10 gallon and 2 of my fish are over 4 years old. So if
you follow the advice of WWM you can be successful with a nano. And rule
number one is patience. You can't load your system with more than it can
handle.
<Indeed, this is true of any tank of any size.>
Give your clown a break and ask the store to hold it for a while.
The only reason I am responding is because the crew has the tendency to
shrug off nano problems because they can be difficult to control.
<Hmm, I certainly didn't mean to "shrug off" the writer's problem. The
person who asked the question said he was reluctant to alter the tank in
any way that would allow him to add equipment or water volume. He also
said he was reluctant to do more aggressive water changes. Thus, I was
at a loss to offer him any other solutions. Taking the livestock out
would only be a temporary solution.>
But if your advice is followed then people can have a good success rate.
You can't cut corners. The systems are not forgiving. There just is too
little water to dilute problems.
<Very true and I thank you for writing in with your support/advice. In
my opinion, the best way to keep a nano tank is with a large sump hidden
underneath. It might be "cheating," but it works. ;-)>
Thanks
<Best,
Sara M.> |
odd algae destroying my tank.
Sm SW, no reading – 03/07/08
hi
I am totally stumped on this one.. I have a 30g with about 36 - 37lbs of
live rock. a MaxiJet 1200 and a 600, Corallife super skimmer I think??
(borrowing from a friend), and a Fluval 205 running 2 bags of carbon, a thing of
Purigen and some rock rubble.. I have some LPSs and softies for
coral.
<... allelopathy, in a word>
lately everything in my tank is ticked off and I have this odd algae that comes
slowly once the lights turn on, the tanks looks great
when lights are off, nice and clean, water looks clear.. after the lights are on
for a while this odd algae comes out of the rocks, sand
and shows up on my glass.. its long and stringy, kinda a dull greenish color I
would say. I was thinking possibly Cyano from over feeding so
after much thought I dosed Chemi-clean twice over a 4 day period and did a 20%
water change.. followed the directions as the box stated and
nothing happened at all, the stuff still comes out.. my zoas and hammer I would
say are most pissed,
<Can't be mixed in this setting...>
and I really don't want anything to die I would be devastated! there was some
time back when my tank was newer where my mom was watching it for me and I know
she didn't take proper care of it, not that I can blame her its a lot of work to
just ask someone to take care of, anyways my friend had this what I think is a
crazy idea that there was something in the depths of my rock eating up any sort
of phosphates as they got into the water and it just took some time to
eventually take over.. my water tests come out perfect, all I dose is a little
bit of iodine which I don't test for but I dose so next to nothing because of
that and Kalkwasser. sorry I do not have a picture at the moment, let me know if
you guys will need one.. thanks in advance
<... read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and here: http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/maintenance/index.htm
scroll down to the tray on Algae... Read. Bob Fenner>
39 reef bow tank,
Stocking and Nitrate 3/2/08
Hi, my name is Chris, I want to thank you in advance for any help you may
give me on this issue I am having with my reef tank .
<Hello Chris, glad to help.>
I’ve had this tank set up for about 6 months now and am experiencing some
problems, not major problems but I want to control what I can before it becomes
a major one .
<OK>
Parameters are as follows: Alk 9.8, ph 8.2, amm 0, nitrate is between 10-20 ppm,
and is controlled with water changes weekly but a day or two after the change it
creeps back up .
<A sign of something amiss.>
I am running a 10 gallon sump with about a gallon of bio balls in it, a Prizm
skimmer and two power heads in the tank; and I am down to feeding only once a
day if that. I only feed what is consumed in two to three minutes and if the
nitrates go up I may skip a day.
<Be sure the food is consumed as it is added. You can easily add too much food
that appears to be consumed in three minutes, with much going elsewhere.>
The feeding varies from frozen to pellets daily and the live stock is as
follows: mostly soft corals , polyps and mushrooms and a leather coral and one
open brain , fish are a tomato clown , six bar goby , basset , small yellow tang
.
<Your tank is too small for this livestock.>
Should I remove the bio balls .
<If you have enough live rock (25-30 lbs. In this system) I would.>
Thanks for the help.
<A few links for further reading are included below for you. Welcome, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/zebrasom.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/nitratesmar.htm
Marine "Mulm" Woes!!! 2/20/08
Hello once again!
<Hello again John.>
In my AP24, I have replaced the stock recirculating pump with a MaxiJet 1200
last summer. I also have two Koralia Nanos that I installed about 6 months ago.
The Nanos are on either side of the tank and sort of "shoot" at each other (I
read that this creates random flow).
<Yes, an effective way to do it.>
Calculating my flow, I come up with 775 GPH. Since my tank is a 24 gallon, this
works out to a turnover rate of 32.29x/hour, but realistically with all the LR,
sand and other stuff in there I'm estimating that I really only have about 20
gallons of water, so the
turnover rate is probably closer to 38.75X/hour.
<That calculation assumes the pumps are at full capacity also, they usually are
not.>
I think this is enough. <Yes.> However, I still tend to get a lot of "mulm" in
several areas of my tank. You know what I mean - that gross fluffy stuff that
tends to accumulate on LR that isn't being constantly blasted by Amazon
River-sized currents. I think it tends to clog out LR critters so I am worried
about leaving it in my tank, to say nothing about how unappealing it looks.
<It is not desirable to see, that is for sure.>
If I move the Nanos around to try to "blast" those areas, then they tend to get
(and stay) cleaner. Unfortunately, this usually creates two other problems: 1)
It tends to cause OTHER areas to now suffer from less flow and in turn creates a
mulm buildup in those areas, and/or 2) certain corals (like my open brains) now
get hit with what I feel is "too much" flow. Once a month I hook up my Vortex
Diatom Filter and go to work with a turkey baster. I squirt off each and every
square inch of exposed rockwork and let the water get all mucky, while the
Vortex cleans it all up. By the time I am satisfied that I cannot possibly get
any more gunk off my rocks the color of the diatomaceous earth in my filter has
gone from a pristine white to the most yucky shade of brownish crud you could
imagine, and my water is so clear that it looks like my fish are suspended in
air.
While I know that using a diatom filter is a great way to really polish a reef
tank, I also understand that I am in the vast minority and very few people need
to resort to this sort of extreme filtration methodology to keep their tanks
clean and "mulm-free". It almost seems too extreme to me.
<No, you should not have to do this.>
I WILL note, however, that when my Vortex is hooked up, all of my fish seem so
much more "alive" and "frisky", even though the damned thing is tossing them
about like they were in a tidal wave! They seem to LOVE to swim against the
current. BTW - the Vortex adds ANOTHER 250GPH circulation to my tank, bringing
the grand total to 51.25X/hour!!!
<Fun for a while.>
I didn't note it but I do NOT have ANY active filtration in my tank. I have been
told that while canister filters are great at removing detritus, they are also
nitrate factories and I have been advised to stay away from them and just rely
on circulation and lots of LR rubble in the back chambers (I have several pounds
back there). I also do not use a filter sock (no place to put it) nor any sponge
media (gets too smelly too fast).
<This is the problem. You have plenty of circulation to keep the detritus
suspended to a point, but nothing to catch and export it. A canister filter can
work fine, the danger comes from the out of sight out of mind maintenance
approach that often accompanies them. Canisters just need to be cleaned
frequently, as does any other mechanical filtration. A skimmer will work wonders
in your situation, although simply using the sponge media and washing it every
few days is the simple answer to your issue.>
Am I going about filtration the wrong way here? Do I need to upgrade to (2)
Koralia 1's instead in order to really increase flow? Maybe a 3rd Nano would
help here?
<No, you have plenty of flow.>
I'm looking for any suggestions as to how I can get rid of my "mulm" problem!
<Needs to be taken out of the system somehow.>
Thanks
John
<Welcome, happy reefing, Scott V.>
Re: Marine "Mulm" Woes!!! 2/21/08
Hi Scott,
<Hello again John.>
Thanks for the (as ALWAYS!) detailed and prompt reply.
<I am glad to help.>
I do want to let you know right away that I have a Sapphire Aquatics
AP24 skimmer in the R/H side rear chamber. It runs 24/7. The cup gets
pretty gross every day. I run a somewhat wet skimmate.
<Great!>
I see now that flow is not my problem - it is detritus export, of which
I have ZERO!
<Yes.>
OK, I think I'm going to go with an external canister filter and just be
super-anal-retentive about cleaning it.
<Sounds good.>
I really cannot live with this gross grayish-brown crud all over my LR.
I need to get it out!
<I know the feeling.>
So, how often is a good cleaning regimen for such a filter?
<At least once a week…in the past I have been OCD, cleaning daily.>
Also, I am sort of leaning toward Eheim - can you recommend a good model
for an AquaPod 24?
<I am a fan of just about all of this company’s products, a small filter
in any of their product lines will do a fine job.>
Regards,
John
<Happy reefing, Scott V.> |
Re: phosphates and Kalkwasser
for an AquaPod 24, small SW maint. f' 2/6/08
Hello!
<John>
I have an AquaPod 24 with the fully enclosed hood (wished I'd never gotten it,
but it was a gift from the wifey). In any case, as you probably know it's
virtually impossible to put anything onto this tank without drilling holes in
the back of the hood and/or resorting to micro OR major "hood surgery". As a
result, I only have a ton of LR rubble in the back chambers where the pump is
(upgraded from stock to a MaxiJet 1200), no bio-balls, no blue sponge media etc.
-just the LR. Oh, I forgot to mention that I DID purchase and install a Sapphire
Aquatics AP24 skimmer that does fit neatly all the way inside the R/H back
chamber (but as you may know this skimmer is no longer supported).
<Yes>
So, that's all I have. No refugium, no Kalkwasser reactor, no phosphate reactor.
<I'd modify the top, drill the back... put a sump somewhere that is tied in...>
What I am strongly considering is figuring out a way to add either of these to
my tank. I have heard over and over again "Oh man, you GOTTA get a fuge" or "I
wouldn't THINK about running a reef tank without a phosphate reactor!" so I am
going to resort to surgery and cut holes in the back for the tubing.
<Good>
Which finally brings me to my questions! :-)
1. What brand/model of phosphate reactor and Kalkwasser reactor would you
recommend for an AquaPod 24? I have NO IDEA where to start.
There are many on the market and I need a starting point.
<Am not a fan of either technology for such a small volume>
2. If I do NOT get a phosphate reactor I have been "told" that I can put
ROWAphos in the water stream. Problem is, the water cascades over the top on the
R/H side, through the plastic weir and into the back chamber. Could I just put a
bunch of ROWAphos in a small media bag and jam it back there?
<I would not>
Thanks for your help!
Regards,
John Toro
<Please read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/marine/index.htm
Set Up 1 Index re Small Marine Systems
Set Up 2 Index re Refugiums, Sump Design
Maint. Index re PO4, Chemical means of reducing
Bob Fenner>
Re: phosphates and Kalkwasser
for an AquaPod 24 – 02/07/08
Thanks for the advise.
<advice>
Please note that when I said 'wished I'd never gotten it" I didn't mean that I
wished I hadn't gotten a marine aquarium. I LOVE it!!!
<Yay!>
What I meant was that I wished I hadn't gotten the enclosed hood model due to
all the inherent limitations with adding things which require you to resort to
drilling, cutting etc.
Regards,
John
<This is what I'd understood you to mean... and I do understand the limitations
of the top, difficulty in modification of these units... and/but the virtues in
such. Cheers, BobF>
40 Gallon Question, maint.
2-05-08
Hi there,
<Hey, Maddox here today>
I have had my 40 gallon marine tank setup since September 2007 and it currently
houses a small selection of fish (2 small Clowns, a Cleaner Wrasse, a Purple
Fire Fish and an Algae Blenny) and a clean up crew which includes 2 peppermint
shrimps, 2 skunk cleaner shrimps, three hermit crabs and three turbo snails.
<Cleaner wrasses aren't species we here at WWM recommend keeping in captivity,
as most are doomed to a slow starvation - please see the FAQs regarding this
species>
To maintain water quality I currently use an external filter (which contains
normal filter pads and Rowaphos), a Deltec MCE600 skimmer (which contains a bag
of carbon granules in the media chamber) and I also have about 10kg of live
rock. For water circulation I also have three nano power heads running off a
wave maker.
My question is that although I am relatively satisfied with the water conditions
in the tank, my Blenny and Wrasse are often seen to be rubbing off the bottom of
the sand bed and the rocks. I have done some water tests and have noted that the
ammonia levels are at 0.1mg/l and the specific gravity was slightly higher than
normal at 1.026 (my water typically measures between 1.023 and 1.025).
<Ammonia is a very bad thing. You're going to want this to be at zero at all
times! Neutralize the ammonia with Kordon's Amquel+ or Seachem Prime, perform a
large water change, and remedy your filtration/husbandry. See FAQs re. I
wouldn't worry about your salinity>
The other water tests conducted on my tank last night appeared to be fine
(nitrates/nitrites/PH etc.). I understand that the Blenny and Wrasse maybe
suffering from something called ‘Saltwater itch’?
<"Ich", aka Cryptocaryon. Do you see any white spots? Much information about
this malady can be found here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mardisindex.htm and
here http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php. However, you may
see this behavior cease when you take care of the ammonia>
If this is the case what would be the best solution? Would a UV steriliser to
help remedy the problem or will I need to do a large water change.
<See above. A sterilizer couldn't hurt, and water changes are always good, but
neither is a cure>
On a more general note I have wondered if my tank set-up sounded ok or do I have
too much equipment for a tank of my size?
<Sounds like not enough or there is a lack of husbandry, given the presence of
ammonia - a perusal of WWM will give you all the info you need regarding your
current situation>
Many thanks for any help or advice you can give me.
<Anytime>
Dave, London, UK
<M. Maddox>
Water Issues 1/30/08
Dear Crew,
<Chris.>
First and foremost you have an amazing site that is very helpful and easy to
navigate and understand. Your passion for the hobby is unparalleled. I have
recently set up a 20 gallon long tank with a 15 gallon sump that houses my
skimmer and filter material.
<Some sort of biomedia included I assume.>
A 30 inch Power Compact with a 65 watt 50/50 bulb sits on top of the display
tank. I think my tank has finally finished cycling with live rock and two
damsels after about 4 weeks of waiting. The ammonia and nitrites have dropped to
zero, the nitrates are around 15, specific gravity of 1.023, and a temperature
of about 78.
<I would raise the salinity to 1.025-1.026. How about PH and alkalinity? These
are very important to know.>
I have just started livestocking and have encountered a serious problem.
Everything I put in there dies!
<Not good.>
The damsels seem to be in great condition and have been since I purchased them
weeks ago. I recently added a coral banded shrimp, a flame scallop,
<These are difficult to keep alive, near impossible in a system this size due to
starvation.>
and small colony of green star polyps. The shrimp and scallop were acclimated
with a slow drip for about an hour and then placed in the tank. They seemed to
be doing fine but before I went to bed I realized that shrimp was not moving and
would probably not make it through the night but the clam <scallop> still seemed
ok with its shell open wide exposing its red center. This morning both the clam
and the shrimp were dead. As for the green star polyps they have not come out
yet and I know this is not out of the ordinary as they can take days to come
out.
<Yes, at times.>
I live in a small college town and am worried the tap water has some hard metals
I am unaware of. I used an ammonia detox at the initial setup to remove chlorine
and chloramine.
<Many of these products are not effective.>
What I should have done was us my colleges deionized water unit. I just emailed
a chem professor to ask if I could use their water.
<Good.>
Do you think the poor tap water could be my issue?
<It could be, there is something amiss in this system to kill these creatures so
rapidly. Ideally your nitrate should be lower. Also keep in mind these
invertebrates are very sensitive to rapid water chemistry changes, making them
that much more difficult to keep in a small system.>
If so should I start doing water changes to take out the bad water and add the
good water?
<Yes, water change never hurt, when done properly. Make sure your salinity and
temperature match.>
If so how much and at what rate?
<A few gallons a day until your nitrate comes down.>
Could there be an issue here that I am not seeing/taking into consideration?
<Those stated above as well as your system is still fairly new for these
additions.>
Any insight or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
Chris
<Chris, do read up on the issues stated above as well as to research any future
additions and stocking levels. A few links are included to get you started. Good
luck, Scott V.>
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bivalvia.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/water4maruse.htm
Fish compatibility, sandbed cleaning... small SW
1/6/2008
Hi there.
<<Andrew here, good day and welcome>>
I have a 29 gallon tank with 30 lbs live rock, 40 lbs live sand, sump (rated for
up to 75 gallon), 500 GPH pump back to tank, getting the AquaC EV-120 skimmer
soon, 130 watt 50/50 bulbs. So far I have 1 green Chromis, 1 cleaner shrimp, 1
maroon clown, 1 Condy anemone.
<<maybe consider a lighting upgrade for the anemone as it would be better to
have T5 or Metal Halide lighting>>
I made the usual beginner mistake of listening to the local fish store
guy..thats why I have the occupants I have now. What should I keep / give back?
<<Depending on the size of the Maroon clown, your on the borderline of tank size
really, and these can be aggressive. These are the more aggressive type of clown
fish, and don't really make good inhabitants for a tank of this size, so, I
would take the maroon back, and get either a true or false percula clown fish.
These are very passive for the most part and would be suited fine for your
tank.>>
I want a clown, but I understand my tank is a bit small for this guy. Love my
shrimp. Condy seems okay (only had about 3 weeks), although he did change from
bright white to a slight tan-brown color. Also, I have hundreds, if not
thousands of all different bugs on sand and side of tank.
<<This is one of the many wonders of marine aquaria, the life that we have in
there>>
What do you recommend to keep sand well sifted and bugs down.
<<Cerith snails are a good choice for cleaning the sandbed, as they are
scavengers and will come out of the sand at feeding time, clean detritus of the
bed too>>
I know they are a good sign...but I'd like someone to keep population under
control. FYI- I have NO interest in a mandarin, as I know they are very
difficult to keep and require much more than I can offer.
<<The fish will pick and choose at the pod population, and will control it a
little>>
Right now I feed system Phyto Plex, Purple up, flakes, and frozen
Mysis...anemone loves these! Really appreciate the knowledgeable advice.
<<I would stop dosing the purple up, with good lighting and water parameters,
your coralline will grow itself>>
<<Thank you for your questions, Regards A Nixon>>
My sand bed, maint.
-01/05/08
Hello! First, your site is quite informative, I love it. I have finally got
my hands on Anthony's, Coral Propagation book and love it! Please let him know.
I'm not a farmer just yet, but his book is great for all levels of aquariology.
That being said, I have a 5.5 gallon mixed reef. I have various Zoanthids,
Leathers as well as Blastomussa and Micromussa. My tank has app. 12 lbs of mixed
live rock- I like all-. I have a 1 inch mixed sand bed of Florida crushed coral
aragonite and fine white sand. My filtration, along with the live rock consist
of an Aquaclear mini, with sponge then filter floss and carbon, a remora nano
skimmer and a micro-jet powerhead for a little more movement. My livestock,
other then the mixed coral consist of 3 Blue-legged Hermits, 3 Astrea snails, 1
Cerith, an Emerald crab for bubble algae removal, and a Bluefin Damsel ( he has
another home once he's no longer juvenile). The tank has been up and flourishing
for 10 months, with coralline and Chaeto flourishing. Everything is covered in
purple. My levels are- Cal:500, alk:9, phos:0, nitrate:0, nitrite:0, ph:8.4, and
salinity:1.26. I do every 3 days a 5 percent water change. My question after all
this, will my 1 inch mixed sand bed give me problems further down the road? I
have an alarming amount of life throughout it. Various worms, sandsifters, pods,
snails.
<The sand bed should be fine so long as the benthic populations stay healthy.
However, being so shallow, it won't likely function as much of a nutrient
filter/nitrate reducer.>
I do not siphon my sand bed, but when I perform water changes I blast it. I take
a turkey baster and blast the sand with it. In a way I think of it as a storm in
the ocean stirring everything up.
<...not a bad idea.>
I have noticed on occasion that some of the sand bed seems to be fused together,
not like a clump but as a loose clump.
<Very small, loose clumps probably won't hurt anything.>
Thank you for your time. Also on a side note I had a chance to get my hands on
the elusive Blane's Purple People Eater Zoanthid and it since has budded.
<cool... congrats.>
Thank you again, and happy reefing, Joe
<Best,
Sara M.>
Three Concerns... Nano/Sm.
SW... maint., set-up, circ. 12/20/07
Hello Crew,
<Parker>
Thanks for being such a reliable source. So I have a few concerns about the
direction my hobby is going. After reading many hours of internet, I haven't
really been able to pinpoint my problem. First, I have been trying a new route
and I started a 12 gallon eclipse 12. I have to contest that keeping a small
tank hasn't been very difficult or time consuming.
<Can be done>
To be able to be helped correctly, I had the standard bio-wheel and a small
powerhead. Around 15lbs of LR, a small bioload, and about 3? of substrate. Also
all good readings on my chemicals. Tank was in good shape.
<Need real... hard data... actual species, test results... or in turn this
becomes more of a guessing game>
In the past, I had a 29g tank but I have never tried to add a fuge to the tank.
I just put a 2.5g aquaquatics aquafuge2 hang on the back on my 12g. To be able
to sufficiently place the fuge, I had to remove my bio-wheel filter from the
system. In addition to adding the fuge, I added a HYDOR Koralia that pushes
around 400gph thus removing the old power head.
<... I do hope/trust the Koralia is not "turned up" all the way here>
I do not have any LS. I was wondering if by removing the filter from the system
can I have any additional problems keeping water quality excellent?
<Can you? Sure>
I really don't want to add a skimmer. I am hoping that the water flow will be
enough with the LR and fuge to keep water in good condition. My concern about
this is that my fuge has only been running for a couple days.
<Takes time...>
Secondly, by adding the Hydor and having the additional gph from the fuge pump,
will I have too much water circulation in the display tank?
<Could...>
That would be roughly 400gph from the powerhead and 360gph going to the fuge. If
not, should I place the overflow from the fuge and the powerhead on opposite
ends of the tank?
<I would not have this much actual water movement in a twelve gallon volume
system>
In essence, should I create a circular flow of water or should I place them
against each other creating a more irregular flow?
<Whatever prevents all from turning into a swirling vortex...>
Finally, I recently added a watchman goby and I had only crushed coral as a
substrate. To be able to help keep the goby happy and healthy, I added a small
layer of sugar fine sand on top of the crushed coral. After a couple weeks, most
of the sugar fine sand is still on top but another quarter has seeped into the
coral. I have good growth within the substrate and can see small worms and other
small creatures moving through the substrate. I was wondering if by adding the
two different types of grades together, will I eventually cause major imbalances
in the water quality?
<Not likely. I would leave as is>
Thanks guys for you time.
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Trying to contact Bob
Fenner... UW photo book, and Cyano in a small new SW tank 11/24/07
Bob,
<Gino>
Hi.. thanks for the fast response to my last email. Also thanks for the advice
and hopefully soon I will be able to start working on my Reef Photography Book
and will be moved to Melbourne, Australia.
I will be definitely emailing you when I get going on this project. Please let
me know when you get a direct email again..
<I still have my private hotmail account: fennerrobert@>
Anyway, I need your advice on another problem Im having. Well it finally
happened...I've
been plagued with Cyano in one of my newer tanks. The tank is a 20 x 20 x 12
cube tank holding
21 gallons.
<Smaller volumes are harder to maintain... keep stable...>
Tank has a false back wall with 3 chambers behind it. Middle one has been set up
to be a refugium. Currently the refugium has live rock rubble and live sand in
it. I will also be adding Chaeto.
<Should all help>
The return pump is a 290 gph...plus inside the main tank ive added a maxi jet
900 power head. I have 1 bag of Boyd Chemi-Pure and 1 bag of Sea chem Purigen in
the back chamber. I don't have a skimmer on it yet..
but will be adding one.
<Also>
25 pounds of Live rock... and 30 pounds of CaribSea Aragonite Reef Sand
<... and not much space/volume of water!>
My Water is 12 Stage filtrated RO water that has no phosphates, no heavy metals,
and is ran through a UV, prior to salt mixing..
<What's the UV for?>
Lighting is Current Satellite Dual 65 watt Power Compacts. One 10,000k and one
Actinic 03. Brand new bulbs.
PH 8.3, Nitrates 0, Nitrites 0, Phosphates 0, Ammonia 0.25, Calcium 540, DKH 6
(I know... too low...One week ago it was 8 and I'm not sure how it dropped so
much). I'm adding Kent Marine DKH to raise this and keep the Ph stable at 8.3.
Stocking is:
1 Banggai cardinal
1 orchid Dottyback
2 button polyp colonies
1 green striped mushroom
plus a CUC of emerald crabs, Astrea snails, red leg hermits, zebra hermits and a
turbo snail.
<Keep your eye on the Mithraculus>
The Cyano problem started 2 weeks ago...First it was red slime and was only on
certain parts of the sand. So I siphoned it out and it came back 2 days later
and I siphoned again...and it came backless...So I siphoned again and it seemed
to go away....along with this also came green hair algae.. but my emerald crabs
are taking care of that. So then 2 days ago the slime came back... but it was
brownish. more orange in color...it started to spread FAST and along with this,
came this stringy red filamentous threads that appeared on all the rock, snail
shells and the walls. Well needless to say this outbreak took over my tank
faster then anything I've ever seen. Today I came home and almost all of the
sand
was covered with Orange slime!! So I siphoned all of it out...along with a 4
gallon water change. Because so much sand had been siphoned out through this
whole ordeal. I added a few cups of freshly rinsed CaribSea sand to replace it.
I added
Kent marine DKH to help raise the alkalinity and keep the Ph at a stable 8.3..
<Good>
After this massive cleanup, not more then 15 min.s...
It seem like it started to form again in tiny spots on the sand!! I've never
seen anything like this!!! For now I moved the polyps and mushroom into my other
Reef tank until I get this under control.
During this outbreak I've been sparsely feeding with frozen food. The Banggai
and the Dottyback quickly ate all of the food.
I know this frozen food is DOC...But its all the Dottyback will eat, well except
live brine shrimp. He's kinda picky about his food.
Along with my 25 pounds of live rock...I also had a very cool looking piece of
Tufa rock
<I would pull this... may be a source of soluble phosphate... take it out and
place it in some heated water... and test for HPO4>
that I put in there...I noticed at the beginning of this Outbreak, the tufa rock
was the only piece of rock that the Cyano was forming on. The rest was on the
sand only.
<Bingo>
This may sound like a stupid question...but could this piece of tufa rock be the
cause of this outbreak or somehow be fueling it?
<Ah, yes>
All the Live Rock was established and came from a healthy tank.
I have Removed this one piece of tufa rock out of the tank...
<Oh, good>
I cant figure what else is causing this...its very frustrating!! I've read
everything on WetWebMedia several times and I'm trying to get a handle on this.
Im hoping the addition of the Chaeto in the refugium will help starve it out.
Also Im hoping that continued siphoning will cause chemical self-destruction, as
you put it. Im just worried about too many water changes in such a short time
period.
As always any input would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks so Much!!!!
Gino Carlini
<Thank you for sharing. I do think the Tufa may be a prime culprit here, and
that this little system is otherwise just settling in... I would go forward with
the Chaetomorpha, skimmer... Bob Fenner>
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