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Bullying yellow tang, Too small of a world
5/1/08
What's up guys?
<Hello>
I really tried to hold off writing to you as long as I could, but I did not have
any luck finding postings with the same problem as me. First off I have a 46 gal
bowfront w/Aqua C hang on skimmer and 55lbs of live rock and sand. temp stays
around 79, and salinity is around 0.021. Nitrates/nitrites are within reasonable
levels.
Tank inhabitants include a large 5" maroon clown who has been in there for 3
years
A juvenile maroon clown introduced about 6mo's ago. I knew the chance I took
adding them at separate times but they get along great. Condylactis anemone,
hermit crab and a few snails cruising around. Also the newcomer, a 1.5" yellow
tang.
<Needs a larger tank, will suffer in here.>
The tank size is a bit shy for him, but I plan on upgrading tank size within the
next year.
<Most likely behavioral/psychological damage will already be done, perhaps
permanent stunting as well.>
Upon introduction the tang seemed fine. Went through proper acclimation
procedures, and the fish looks happy and healthy. The only issue is that every
morning I wake up, my larger clown has been having more and more tatters on his
fins. I think that the tang is beating him up during the night.
<Possible, although tangs are not usually too active at night.>
There is a daily Nori strip offered and he eats formula II tabs as well as
flakes.
I have read about tangs being territorial to newcomers to their tank, but not
the other way around.
<All fish's personalities differ.>
He seems to have "come in" swinging.
<Not surprising really, they have the tail blade for a reason.>
Do you think this is just a natural acclimation to his environment and
tankmates?
<Could be..
Or do you think he is just an aggressive fish and needs to be removed?
<He will most likely claim the tank as his, and then it will be a battle to the
death between the clown and him, either could end up the victor.>
This has been going on for around 2 weeks now......
<Watch the tank after dark, see what the tang's behavior is. If it is the tang
the behavior will most likely continue if it has been going on this long.>
Please help
You guys rock!
<Thanks>
<Chris> Yellow Tang and Fame Angel
Compatibility/Aggression – 03/24/08
I have a 72 gallon FOWLR tank.
My stocking list looks like this:
2 Ocellaris clowns
1 Blue-green Chromis
1 Royal Gramma
1 Neon goby
1 Yellow tang
1 Scott’s fairy wrasse
1 Flame Angel
I still have not purchased the wrasse or angel for my tank yet.
<<I see>>
I have done a lot of research for compatibility and thought I had everything
figured out until this weekend where I read some things about the Tang that made
me question purchasing the wrasse and angel and I just wanted to check with an
expert.
<<Am happy to proffer my opinion>>
For the wrasse I had read that their constant movement will stress out the tang
which could lead to Ich.
Is this true?
<<Mmm, I do not share this concern here. The Tang is an active fish itself...I
am more worried the marginal size of the tank may cause environmentally induced
issues with the Tang>>
Also for the flame angel I had read that since they are herbivores that
eventually the flame and tang will fight for the dwindling algae in the tank.
<<This can be easily supplemented>>
If this is true would placing a strip of Nori in the tank everyday (which I
currently do anyway) help stop the aggression?
<<Yes…as will just keeping all “well fed.” Along with other environmental
factors, aggressive behavior can often be lessened by providing a nutritious and
“plentiful” diet (the days of starving a tank really are passé). If you aren’t
doing so now, I very much suggest obtaining/feeding New Life Spectrum pellets
along with the algae supplements. This food is very palatable and highly
nutritious all around>>
One more question since I have you.
<<Okay>>
Is this tank overstocked or could I add some more fish?
<<With what you list, I think this tank is pretty much full-up>>
I was thinking of adding a firefish or even a mandarin when I get my pod
population more stable.
<<I don’t recommend this…especially the Mandarin. The very shy Firefish is
likely to slowly starve/die from harassment…and the Mandarin will not find
enough natural foods for its long-term survival, no matter how long you wait
(too many competitors in too small an environment)>>
I have a 3 gallon CPR HOB refugium. Would this be large enough to keep a pod
population that would feed the mandarin and the wrasse?
<<Not in my opinion (and more than just the Wrasse to consider)>>
Thanks for taking the time to help.
Adam
<<Happy to share. EricR>>
Missing Wrasse And Aggressive
Yellow Tang (Environmentally Induced?) – 03/21/08
Dusky Wrasse (Halichoeres marginatus) has disappeared.
<<Ah! Halichoeres is among my top two favorite genera of wrasses (the other
being Macropharyngodon)>>
It was placed in the main tank 18 hours ago.
<<Mmm, then this “disappearance” is neither uncommon nor unusual. These fish
very often retreat to the substrate; sometimes for days at a time, when
stressed…(as in being captured/transported to a new environment)>>
I moved some upper layer rocks to try to find him, and then realized I could
have crushed him in the sand.
<<Is best to leave alone. Forcing the fish out of hiding only compounds the
issue/the fish’s stress>>>>
I then replaced all the live rock to it's original place. I checked the sand but
could not find this fish.
<<Again…not a good idea>>
I checked behind the tank and the floor, but could not find it (I do have a dog
who would have probably eaten a tasty little fish had she found it on the
floor).
<<The wrasse is likely still in the tank (though this genus “will” jump) and
should (hopefully) reappear when ready>>
A yellow tang was seriously harassing the wrasse, even with the lights out.
<<Mmm…another stressor…>>
This tang bullied three Banggai cardinals despite rockwork rearrangement.
<<Hmm, not typical…you may have a “mean” individual…or the environment is just
too small for the tang>>
They died after two weeks.
<<Stress…kills people too>>
I would like to add four more fish; but should I be concerned that this tang is
going to bully/kill all new additions?
<<Does appear so>>
I really enjoy watching "sunshine" as my children call him and do not wish to
find him a new home.
<<Perhaps just a bigger one… And…is this fish well fed? A full belly can go far
toward tempering aggressions>>
Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated.
<<Am trying>>
I currently have 1 yellow tang, 1 lawnmower blenny, 1 neon goby, 4 blue/green
chromis, 1 Firefish goby, 1 cleaner shrimp, 2 peppermint shrimp, 1 serpent sea
star, mushroom coral, green star polyp coral, various reef cleaners. I have a 75
gallon AGA,
<<I consider this size tank as “marginal” for the Yellow Tang and likely has
much to do with the fish’s aggressive behavior>>
125 gallon ProClear overflow and sump, 2300 ViaAqua pump, Corallife power
compact lights; 260 Watts, 125 Corallife protein skimmer, Turbo Twist UV
sterilizer, 2 power heads, 40 lbs. of live sand, sea shell rubble and aragonite,
75 lbs. of live rock. Running six months now. Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, pH 8.0,
Nitrates 5 - 10.
<<Nitrates should be lower with the inverts in the system…5ppm or less>>
Ten gallon water change 14 - 20 days (dechlorinated tap water, circulated about
24 hours).
<<The tap water is possibly a source for Nitrates…but is easy enough to test>>
One last thing, if I may.
<<Certainly>>
I am contemplating upgrading the pump, as I have discovered by actually
measuring the output that the water turnover is only about 240 gallons per hour.
<<I see>>
Do you have any suggestions?
<<Your overflow has only a single 1” drain…upgrading the return pump still
limits you to a maximum of 300gph. The 240gph you have running through the sump
is quite adequate (and a lot less noisy than a higher flow rate will be). Unless
you are having problems I suggest you leave the return pump as is, and look
rather to adding some supplemental flow to the display with a powerhead or two>>
Sincerely, Victoria
<<Regards, EricR>>
Small hippo with larger yellow 3/9/08
Dear WWM crew, if Andrew is the one answering this than I know it is the
right answer but I think that anyone could answer this. I have a blue hippo tang
that is about one and a half to two inches long. I would like to add a larger
yellow tang (about 3 to 5 inches) today. in a month I am upgrading to a 90
gallon but I could really use that tang now. I was just wondering if a yellow
tang that is larger will harm my blue hippo tang. thanks
<Will very likely get along... as the size difference and being of different
genera, body morphology works to advantage. Bob Fenner>
Yellow Tang And Cleaner
Shrimp 3/7/08
Just one quick question...Why is my Yellow Tang picking the feelers of my
cleaner shrimp down to the nubs? Bored, something to graze on...is it needing
something nutritionally?
<Is probably wanting to be cleaned, may have a parasitical disease.> Water
parameters are good... nitrates 0, Nitrites 0.0 Ammonia 0.0 pH 8.3-8.4
maintenance once every 5-6 days, 10% H2O change. I bought 2 shrimps at the same
time...now they look pitiful.. Oh, the quilt! I have LR coming, but will not be
cured for several weeks I am hoping the tang will have other distractions and
leave the shrimp alone... geeze now the tang is leaning along side like he'd
like to be cleaned...the shrimp is not interested...not that I blame him! Any
info would be so appreciated!
<I'd keep a close eye on the tang, may very well need to be moved to a
quarantine tank and treated.>
Thanks,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Kathy
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Tang M I A... Surgeon comp.
11/08/07
Hi Crew
<Ian>
I have 4x Yellow tangs, 1x Sailfin tang and a Powder brown surgeon amongst the
30x fish I keep. The surgeon is by far the most aggressive and is always giving
half-hearted chase to the Yellow tangs and annoys the Sailfin (being much bigger
he simply shrugs the Surgeon off) on a fairly constant basis. The Yellow tangs
are always chasing each other and occasionally the Surgeon but only in response
to provocation. They never even looking sideways at the Sailfin Tang.( and for
them that is quite difficult). Only the Sailfin is relaxed and minds his own
business which is just as well because he is 30% larger than the others. I
assume that what I have described is pretty standard and as long as they do not
actually kill each other I have no problem with the scrappy behaviour.
<Yes... and there is room sufficient...>
Now the reason for my email is that one of my Yellow tangs took what looked like
quite a serious hit on the side of his body ( looked like he had been in a knife
fight) and although he was still looking ok by late afternoon was missing in the
morning. Since I am never going to find who the culprit was I was hoping that
you could suggest what I could do to not just replace the Yellow tang but maybe
introduce some other species to calm the situation. I thought that maybe I
should get another 4x Yellow tangs which would certainly keep the surgeon busier
with the attention more spread. Removing the Surgeon is not an option as I would
have a heck of a time trying to catch him so PLEASE don't tell me that is my
only option! Oh and they all live in about 2500 litres which I thought might be
enough room for the Surgeon.
<I see>
And here I thought that all I had to do was buy a glass tank, throw some water
in and intro a few fish and I have a marine tank!!
<Uh huh>
I have had to instead learn about; Marine biology, glass technology, plumbing,
electronics, fish psychology, chemistry, technician (in whatever trade you have
to be in order to avoid paying the high costs of equipment) and I get the
feeling that with only 4x years I still have a long way to go.. Thank goodness
for websites like yours...
your help is really appreciated
regards
Ian
<I'd almost bet the Powder Brown (Acanthurus nigricans) was at fault here... at
least amongst the fishes you list. Likely the one Yellow Tang "got caught" in a
corner situation where it could not easily move out of the way. Doubtful the
Sailfin Zebrasoma is at fault, and not possible that the other Yellows are. If
you do add more Z. flavescens, make sure they are decidedly smaller. Bob Fenner>
Re: Tang M I A
Correction. The Yellow tang is alive! That's two days he has been missing
and I have only now seen him hiding out in the rocks. Licking his wounds and
hopefully getting better but still a problem for the future.
<Ah yes. BobF>
Re: Tang M I A 11/8/07
Thanks Bob. I hear you and will do but might have a long wait as
most Yellows seem to be similar size.
many thanks
Ian
<Ah, good... they are "seasonal" items... with smaller individuals
available starting in later Spring... All wild-caught at this point...
in Hawai'i. Cheers, Bob Fenner> |
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Naso lituratus And Zebrasoma
flavescens Together? – 11/05/07
Hi WWM crew !!!
<<Greetings!>>
First of all, congratulations about your site, I've been in the hobby for 10
years now and your site has been extremely helpful.
<<Is a collective effort...we’re happy you find it of benefit>>
Here is the situation, I have one 150G reef tank stocked with 1 Yellow Tang (3
to 4 inches), 1 Coral Beauty dwarf angel (2 inches), 1 Maroon Clownfish (3
inches), 1 Picasso Triggerfish (3 inches), 1 green mandarin (2 inches) and some
inverts and corals including colt, spaghetti, Favia, Goniopora,
<<Not easily kept>>
xenia, BT anemones,
<<Am sure you are aware the anemone is not recommended with sessile inverts>>
polyps and mushrooms.
<<A fairly typical “garden variety” reef tank...though I question your decision
to include the Picasso Triggerfish here for sure. You will likely discover this
fish to become very destructive in this setting as it matures>>
All the livestock have been in the tank for almost 2 years without changes in
the livestock or rock landscaping. My brother who used to have a similar setup
needs to get rid of his tank and gave me his 7 inches Naso lituratus. So do you
think the Naso with get along with the Yellow Tang?
<<Probably...I think the tank is large enough and the size difference along with
the difference in morphology between these fishes great enough that there should
be few, if any, problems keeping the two together. Though ideally, due to its
growth potential and sociological requirements, the Naso would be placed in a
larger system (at least another 100 gallons...in my opinion) for its continued
long-term health. Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/naso_lituratus.htm >>
I'm afraid of having to separate them because of a fight since this will need
major movements on the rocks and attached corals just to trap or separate them.
Do you think there is possibility of them getting along together?
<<I do...and being sure to provide adequate food/feedings can/will also help
them to “get along.” I can highly recommend New Life Spectrum pelleted food as
well as Two Little Fishies Sea Veggies to be both palatable and nutritious, and
a huge advantage toward keeping these fishes plump and healthy. A twice-weekly
soak of these foods in Selcon or Vita-Chem is very beneficial (a requirement
really, in my opinion) as well>>
Thanks !!!
Andrés Corral
<<Quite welcome. Eric Russell>>
Re: Naso lituratus And Zebrasoma
flavescens Together? – 11/13/07
Thanks for the fast response.
<<Quite welcome>>
Just to let you know, I've put the Naso together with the Yellow Tang
and like in the love stories... "They lived happily ever after."
<<Ah, good...I find Naso lituratus to be quite compatible with other
tang species, when given a large enough environment and “everyone” is
well fed>>
The Naso seems to like a lot it's new home and the Yellow Tang doesn't
seems to be upset about being replaced as ALPHA fish on the tank.
<<Indeed...should all be fine>>
Again, thanks a lot for your help.
<<Is my pleasure to assist>>
Greetings from Mexico,
Andrés Corral
<<And to you in kind my friend...from “oh so dry” South Carolina. Eric
Russell>> |
Aggressive Yellow Tang, Adding Livestock
9/27/07
Hey Guys, Great site!
<Thanks>
The information here is rock solid but I haven't been able to research an answer
to my current problem. My set up is as follows: 125 Gal. FOWLR. The only
inhabitants are (2) Blue Damsels (1) Blue Cheek Goby (10) Various Hermits (6)
Turbo large Turbo Snails and (1) 3.5" Yellow Tang about 70LBS Live rock and
1elephant ear coral. The offending party is the Yellow tang who initially was
shy (purchased about three weeks ago) but is now all over my newest addition
(Flame Hawkfish about 2" long). I added the Hawk yesterday and the Tang went
pretty much right after it. I know they can be territorial but I feel the tank
is under-stocked and large enough for all to get along fine.
<Unfortunately it does not matter how you feel about it, it is how the fish feel
about it.>
My question is will this behavior stop once the tang has asserted it's territory
or has this evolved into a situation where the Tang thinks the tank is it's
alone.
<Could go either way, the former more likely.>
She doesn't bother any of the other inhabitants at all. Also, will removing the
Tang for a couple of hours and re-arranging her hiding spot (the elephant ear)
help get her mind off the newest addition.
<It might.>
I would hate to lose the Hawk because he seems to have lots of personality and I
would of course like to add new fish down the road. I just want to know if this
bullying will eventually taper off. All the water parameters are good FYI.
Thanks for all the information and keep up all the good work on the site!! Chris
<Have to wait and see how the tang handles it, it is up to the individual fish's
personality as to what will happen.>
<Chris>
Aggressive Yellow Tang 7/18/07
Hi,
<Hello>
I'm new to the whole salt water aquarium scene. My yellow tang for some reason
has recently become very aggressive toward all of the fish in my tank. I
normally feed them plenty and add seaweed for them to pick on, but he has been
either chasing or nipping at the other fishes tails. <Could be territorial, how
big is the tank?.> It's odd because I've had all of the same fish in the tank
for about a month or so and this all started recently. <Takes them a while to
get settled, then they will start asserting themselves.> Also, I have a blue
spot Jawfish and he's also acting weird. He is not in a burrow... he is actually
around with all of the other fish and his eyes look cloudy. What can I do?
<Check your water parameters, may be the cause of the cloudy eyes.>
Thank you,
Billy Negron
<Tangs can be quite aggressive and territorial, especially if the tank is too
small for them. Be careful when putting your hands in the tank, you may be the
victim of the aggression and those tail spines can do significant damage.>
<Chris>
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Yellow
Tang vs. Tusk Fish 5/24/07
Morning all,
I realize I probably write longer and longer emails the more and more I
learn... so maybe I should summarize my latest book for you :)
<Please do>
200gallon tank with plenty of circulation and 210lbs of caves, tunnels,
hiding spots in my Tonga rock with a 3" fine sandbed.
Snowflake Eel ~ about 18" ~ first fish added, he doesn't mess with
anyone and no one messes with him Yellow Tang and Foxface ~ both about
4"~ the best of friends with the Foxface the second fish added and the
Tang the 3rd fish added.
<Likely "believe" they're the same species>
Royal Dottyback ~ about 3" ~ had him for years but got moved to this
tank from my 90gallon tank because he became too territorial for it He
is more or less the longer, he might try to exert some attitude no and
then but it is quickly put in check by anything he bothers. Nobody
seems to initiate aggression towards him 2 Bannerfish ~ about 4 & 5" ~
introduced two weeks ago after 2 week quarantine... as retailer had both
of them for 2 - 5 weeks prior.
Hangout together and leave everything in the tank alone, but are often
chased by the Tang.
<Not likely a problem in this sized system>
Harlequin Tuskfish ~ about 4" ~ quarantined for 4 weeks and just added
to my tank on Saturday. He's pretty peaceful and leaves everything
alone... seems to hangout with the Bannerfish mostly. Anyhow, the Tang
seems to exert some aggression towards the Tusk.
<Habitat/resource partitioning... would have been better for the
Zebrasoma to go in after...>
I've watched pretty closely, and it seems mostly like charges and
turning away at the last moment. However, I saw for the first time the
tang trying to back into the Tusk in a corner with it's white barbs
sticking out.
<Mmmm>
Of note, I have increased my feeding sizes and frequencies so there is
definitely no shortage of food. I also keep two feeder clips daily to
which the Foxface, Tang, and Bannerfish will feed at leisure in what
appears to be harmony. It seems like the Tang only gets the attitude
when he's cruising around the tank.
<Yes... typical>
I was thinking if anything, the Bannerfish of a similar size and shape
would be of concern...
<Mmm, no... they don't "compete" with the Tang for the rocks... unlike
the Choerodon>
but it seems like over the past two weeks the Tang is certainly more
accepting of them.
<Also as usual>
On a scale of 1-10, I'd say the aggression seemed to be about a 6 on
introduction... and about a 2 now. With respect to the Tuskfish, about
a 6 now... however perhaps the Tuskfish seems a little more afraid as he
stays to one end of the tank mostly. The Tuskfish does have his own set
of weaponry that he will use if the Tang becomes to aggressive,
correct????
<Oh yes>
In short, should I be concerned about them?
<Concerned? Yes... but not overly so... I give you good odds all that
you list will settle in fine here>
I'd figure that it would take a few weeks and then all should be well...
but the Tang cornering the Tuskfish and trying to back into him with the
barbs out had me concerned.
Oh look, one page... a new record for me.
David Brynlund
<Heeeee! You and I should NOT go shopping at CostCo together... Unless
we bring the truck or van to haul our buys away! Bob Fenner>
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Re:
Yellow Tang vs. Tusk Fish 5/24/07
I'm not a shopper unless you turn me loose in an Aquarium Retailer or
BestBuy!
<Heeeee!>
On another note, in this 200g system I have 3 sand stars. One of your
staff warned me about the inappropriateness of sand stars in my setup.
Realistically, I have 8sqft of open sand at a depth of 3". The rest is
rock covered...
<Mmm, "so many foxes, so many hens...">
The comment posed to me was that a single sand star should have 9sqft of
sand at a depth of at least 8". Therefore my system would hardly even
sustain one sand star, and I have 3.
Is it that I am harming my sand stars? Or are the sand stars harming my
tankbio?
<More the latter here>
Meaning, consuming all the nutrients that would normally increase the
microlife?
<More like consuming the micro-life, the in-fauna itself>
Ok, I'm no science guy here....
<Mmm, yes you are...>
So my terminology is probably way off. Do you understand my question?
<I think so... ergo I am! Said Popeye the Sailorman, toot toot!>
I'm wondering if I should simply keep them? Or if I should take them
back to the store.
<Up to you...>
I've had them for a few years. I'm thinking if they go back to the
store they will likely end up in an even smaller tank with someone who
knew less than what I did? Thoughts?
David Brynlund
<Always keep beer in a cool, dark place. Be chatting... and drinking!
BobF> |
Mixing a Regal Tang (Paracanthurus hepatus) and Yellow Tang (Zebrasoma
flavescens) in an Aquarium of Unknown Size. 2/12/07
<Greetings!>
Can I keep a regal tang with a yellow tang and a bi-color angel and a few
damsels?
<If your tank is as big as the ocean. You would need a large tank to
happily house these two fish. By large I mean at least 135 gallons in which
both fish are introduced at the same time if you want to avoid problems and
even then you are at risk. I would not recommend it.
Hope that helps. -Mich>
Re: Damsel Update... Yellow Tang comp. 12/14/06
Hello crew:
I just wanted to take a minute to update you on a situation I had asked you
about regarding a white line on one of my Yellow Tail Blue Damsels. Everything
was going well and the line was healing. Yesterday I came home from work and to
my surprise both Damsels where laying on the bottom with no eyes and no fins.
<Yikes!>
Sitting above them looking guilty was..... Mr. Buttersworth my established
Yellow Tang. I put them in a zip lock back then froze it as I read this was a
humane way to dispose of them.
<Yes>
I have pretty much decided that my tank is full anyway so although I am upset
about the loss at least I can now share the story with others regarding the
aggressive nature of the Yellow and the truth behind adding aggressive fish last
as I also have two little Clowns and two little Cardinals that where in the tank
first and he has never bothered them at all.
Thanks for all of your advise setting up my tank over the last couple months.
<Welcome. Thank you for this update, input. Bob Fenner>
Stocking My 150 Reef - 09/07/06
Good Afternoon.....
<<Good evening>>
I have 150 gallon reef tank , 4' x 2', and a 35 gallon sump.
<<Neat!>>
I now have a royal Gramma , zebra goby , and a coral beauty in it, and want
to add 3 yellow tangs and a Pacific sailfin, all at the same time.
<<Mmm, I don't recommend this. This tank is too small for three yellow
tangs...in my opinion>>
Two dealers have told me that this will work.
<<I don't doubt>>
Your thoughts on this, and what other kinds of fish could I add at a later
date... i.e. flame angel , jeweled damsel, hippo tang?
<<My recommendation...skip the Hippo (gets very large) and two of the
yellow tangs...the flame angel, damsel, and hippo tang will likely be fine>>
Also, should I have a cleaner fish in this mix as well, like the neon
gobies?
<<A worthwhile addition>>
And, lastly do you like the dragon wrasse, and any type of blennies?
<<Not for reef tanks>>
Thank you so much for your time.....
Ted Stasso
<<Quite welcome, Eric Russell>>
Yellow Tang Injury, 12 Little Indians, Make that 5 Y. tangs 7/18/06
I have 5 Zebrasoma flavescens that have been living together for a few years
now.
<In a very large system I take it>
The person that had them before only fed them brine and bloodworms.
<And hopefully there was quite a bit of live rock, macro algae about as well...>
Since I acquired them I have been giving them Mysis, Formula II (flake, frozen,
pellet), Prime reef, and seaweed. All the foods are soaked in either Zoe,
VitaChem, or Garlic. They are starting to look a lot healthier and happier.
<Ah, good>
Anyway, having said that, they have established their territories and there is
an obvious dominant tang. He chases all the other tangs around but the funny
thing is that he has all the injuries.
<Four against one...>
He has had scratches on him before that eventually heal themselves. But now
almost all of his side is covered in a red/pink abscess that is not going away.
It is not getting worse, but it has been a little over a week and it still looks
the same. I guess my question is, what do I do?
<Mmm... reconcile with yourself that these fishes will continue to fight till
there is "room"... the present one with abscesses will be the first to go... Or
get a much larger system (hundreds of gallons... Or separate them>
I don't want to take him out, then another tang will take over the bullying and
so on.
<Yes, correct. Will happen anyway...>
He is still eating great and is
active. The bullying seems to pick up more when I put the seaweed clip in. What
I have done to try to cut back on the bullying is to put their seaweed clip in a
different place each day and sometimes put two clips in there. It seems to help
a little. What do you suggest I do if this is a food competition issue?
<The above>
And is there some way to treat this guy without taking him out of the tank?
<Through foods, water... but still will have to be separated...>
I'm sorry this is so long...I really appreciate your advice, you guys are great!
<Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ytangcompfaqs.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
One too many Tangs 6/30/06
Greetings and thanks so much for a wonderful website.
<Hi there.>
I have a new (6 months) saltwater 100 gallon tank consisting of LRFO. The
current residents are
2 Yellow Tang <One too many.>
2 Peppermint Shrimp
4 Clown fish <2 too many>
1 Cherub Angel
The two Yellow Tang were the first fish, and introduced at the same time. After
a few tussles, one emerged as the dominate Tang. All was well for
weeks. Recently, the less dominant Tang has challenged the dominate Tang. The
struggle lasted a few days, with the victor being the less dominant Tang. The
other Tang now hides in the rocks and will not come out. <Hiding from that
switch blade on the tail of the dominant tang.>
Will I be wasting time moving around rock or adding new fish? <Yes>
Should I find a new home for one of the Tangs?
<Yes>
Your help is much appreciated.
<Anytime>
<Chris>
Mandarin dragonet attacked by yellow tang? Please help 12/12/05
Hi everyone, <Hello Julia>
I seek your assistance because you consistently know what you are talking about
(unlike the local folks who either don't know or don't care). And I thank you
in advance for the same.
<You're welcome>
I recently purchased a male Mandarin Dragonet (yes, I have researched it and
planned on it for a number of years). <Very good!> I have a 90 gallon reef tank
with about 150lbs of live rock that has been established for over a year and
everyone (fish and coral alike) is healthy and happy (thank
goodness).<Excellent> My CPR Aquafuge is on the way (should be here next week)
and even though I have pods in my tank, I am thinking about mail ordering a
starter culture (or, in my case, a booster culture). <Excellent idea>
I think I have read all I need to know (for now) about feeding and general
maintenance of these beautiful fish, but my problem is bright yellow and
aggressive. Yes, the yellow tang keeps whipping the dragonet with his tail (the
tang is about 3.5 inches). I noticed that it "throws out" the little white
spikes at the mandarin, and I do not know if the spikes are sharp or even
poisonous or what (they stay folded against the tang's body the rest of the
time).<The scalpels are very sharp and can inflict a nice gash.> The mandarin
has been there for two weeks and I believe the tang still beats him up whenever
the mandarin is near. <Unusual for the tang to do this to a mandarin.> How
harmful is this tail whipping to the mandarin and how likely is it to stop? <As
stated above, the slapping can inflict a wound. Whether it stops or not, can't
answer, time will tell.> I know the mandarin avoids the tang, but I do not want
it to stay hidden or stressed out, otherwise there was no point in getting him.
Should I take the tang out and if so, what is the best way to catch him without
taking apart the whole tank? <I'd probably wait awhile and see if the tangs
behavior improves. If not, there is no easy best way to catch the tang outside
of removing some/most of the rock.> He does not come up for food like the other
fish do (I only have a pair of Percs and a small 3 stripe damsel aside from the
aforementioned fish). In fact, the tang hides in the crevices as soon as a
person approaches. I believe he will not go into a trap because the clowns and
the damsel will go in there first and eat all the food. <Agreed> Any advice
would be greatly appreciated.
<None to offer other than the above.>
The second question I have is about macroalgae. I have 260 watts of power
compacts (half daylight, half actinic) plus 80 watts NO tubes. The temp of the
tank is about 74 degrees at the bottom and just slightly higher at the top. I
have the branchy Caulerpa (sorry, I do not know what it is called, it is just
the most common in the local LFS, it has slightly wavy edges on its branches)
and it is growing throughout the tank, looking nice and healthy. I tried
putting apparently healthy feather Caulerpa in the tank (I bought a clump at a
LFS) but it did not make it even a week. Does the branchy stuff outcompete the
feather stuff? <Most Caulerpa doesn't ship well and think it didn't make it in
that regard. Shouldn't be much competition between Caulerpa as to cause one
species to die off.> How hard would it be to grow a different type of algae in
the refugium, or convert the tank to a different macroalgae? (I have no huge
need for it, I just find the feather Caulerpa to be very pretty).
<When you get your refugium, then try putting a piece of he feather Caulerpa in
there. If it continues to grow, then you could take some out and place it in
the main display.>
I am sorry about such a lengthy email, I know you get lots of them and I do not
mean to add extra work to your guys' and gals' schedules, I just can't seem to
find the answers elsewhere. Once again I thank you in advance for your
reply. Your web site has been exceptionally helpful and fun to read. <Do search
(if you haven't) the Wet Web Media, keyword, Caulerpa, for more
information. James (Salty Dog)>
Cheers, Julia <And to you, Happy Holidays.>
Sudden problem in stable system 11/15/05
Hello to the WWM crew!
<Glenn>
Several days ago I noticed several patches of white material or coating on my Coral Beauty on the top of its head and surrounding areas. The fish was
behaving normally, but it looked a little "beat up" and did have a piece missing
from its tail,
<Good descriptions>
which I assumed was the result of a run in with the Yellow Tang. The white areas
disappeared over the course of a day or so, and the fish's behavior remained normal. I assumed it was sand from the bottom of the tank
acquired while fighting or fleeing.
<Mmm, not likely>
Today the fish is swimming erratically with seeming loss of all equilibrium. It attempts to swim, but only manages to move in a corkscrew pattern.
Breathing is normal, but it's dorsal and anal fins and tail are now more tattered.
(Possibly more mistreatment from tank mates?)
<Possibly>
It's color is a little abnormal and seems to be mottled in areas around its head, but the abnormality is
not pronounced. I do not suspect any parasitic disease as this fish was in a completely
stable tank with absolutely no additions for nearly two years, the last being this
Coral Beauty. All livestock in the tank were religiously QT'd for 6 weeks.
Tank parameters are 75g FOWLR 80 deg F amm. 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 0-barely readable pH 8.3 sg 1.0235. What other possible causes are
there for this?
<Internal complaints, genetic or pathogenic...>
I was thinking POSSIBLY that since it had the patch of white (sand?) on its head that it might have slammed into something in the tank while
escaping the Tang resulting in brain damage, but I would assume the swimming problems would have been immediate.
<Not necessarily>
I am perplexed, since I follow excellent tank management procedures, and am particularly careful, (some might say
obsessive), about QT. The other fish in the tank show no signs of any disease or
any other problems. I have removed the Coral Beauty to a hospital tank with antibiotics as a precaution, but am unsure about any other treatment.
Any help, suggestions or insight would be most welcomed.
Sincerely,
Glenn Brookes
"Bladuser" on WWM
<I do suspect (as you seem to) some sort of altercation... with the Yellow Tang... a swipe of the scalpel will do it... Bob Fenner>
Bannerfish and Yellow Tang 9/8/05
Hello,
I just added a Bannerfish (AKA poor man's Moorish Idol, Wimplefish, etc.)
and two Fiji Blue Devils to a fairly new 75 gallon tank. The only fish I had so
far were a Yellow Tang and a Maroon Clownfish. Almost as soon as the
Bannerfish was added the Yellow Tang started to attack him with his tail
spine/scalpel.
I removed the tang and put him in the quarantine tank to give the Bannerfish
time to get used to the display tank and start eating. I also rearranged the
rocks where the Tang likes to hide so when I put him back in he will have to
reestablish his territory. Are these fish not compatible or will things calm
down a bit later on? Thanks, <Normal behavior for the tang, things will calm
down, and a good move in rearranging rock. Do read up on Bannerfish on the WWM
for more info on your purchase. James (Salty Dog)>
-Adam-
Butterfly/tang compatibility 8/23/05
Hi there. <Hello Dan> I'm in the process of stocking a new 120 gal FOWLR. I
have about 200 lbs live sand w/plenum, 70 lbs live rock, EuroReef
skimmer, 30 gal sump, fluidized bed filter, 1250 gal/min pump. Light
is 4x65 PC (2 actinic, 2 daylight). Water parameters are "perfect"
except for a slightly elevated phosphorus that is decreasing rapidly
via PhosGuard.
Current residents are a cute little (3") dwarf zebra lion, three
small damsels (four-stripe and yellow-tail blue -- will likely be
"fed to the lions", as it were), and a long-nosed butterfly. All
appear happy, especially the B/F, who has tons of personality.
I'd like to introduce a tang, for algae-eating and just because they
are cool. Ideally a yellow tang, but I fear that he will attack the
similar shaped/colored B/F. A Naso would be great but I don't think
I have enough room. Would one of the other sailfin tangs fit? The
only other likely residents would be a Halichoeres ornatissimus (or
something else from the same genus) and a flame angel (once the tank
matures a bit). <Even though the butterfly has some yellow, it's not of the same
family. No aggression should take place outside of the usual "this is my tank"
action that is short lived. I personally would go with a sailfin than a yellow
tang. I think they are a little less prone to disease. James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks much,
Dan
Plans to bring 'ole Yeller' home <Yellow Tang compatibility> 7/18/05
Hi WWMCrew,
I have a compatibility question. I had a Yellow Tang I had put in a 30gal. qt
because I had thought due to heavy breathing, scratching that it had something
wrong. Long story short, He went on a hunger strike, looked horrible. I moved
him to my moms 55 gallon tank because My 55 was being used to treat ich and my
new 125 was going fallow.. I did not know if he would even live he was so
skinny, but sure enough he has fattened up! He did have some sort of bacterial
infection that was causing red streaks and shredded fins and also causing him to
flash a lot. I put him in my moms 20 gallon for a week and treated him with
Furan-2 . The streaks are gone and fins are growing. Like I said, I was not
concerned at the time I moved him that this 55 was too small, I wasn't sure he'd
make it, but I thought with a little more room to roam he'd at least try to eat.
I feel bad for him, when I got him I had only had experience w/ Clowns and
Damsels and really freaked out when he started flashing. He
has never had ich , even though he had been exposed to it. This guy is a fighter
and I need to make arrangements to get him in a larger tank. I put an add on
R.C. and have had 1 response so far, but I may not be able to find him another
home, I may have to bring him home. I really didn't want 2 Large fish in my
tank, I cannot get another tank so I want to make sure he will be okay in my
125.
I have a 1 Iridis Wrasse, 2 Argi Angels, 1 Twinspot Hogfish, 1 Ocellaris
Clownfish [ I also have 3 Clowns in qt right now, waiting to be added] And my
concern is my Raccoon Butterfly. She is queen of the tank! She Harassed my other
Wrasse so bad, I put the Wrasse in my 55gallon [completely cleaned and set up w/
established rock, filter, sand- houses my Arc Eye Hawkfish] She does chase the
Argi's away from the algae strips and I caught her nipping at my clown under the
moonlights. I really feel my tank is full already, but this maybe the only
solution for my Tang, I can't leave him in that 55, the poor guy has been
through hell and I want to make things right for him.
So, is it worth the harassment the Tang will face?
They are both about 4". If I cannot find him another family, would it be okay to
bring him home? I appreciate your opinion, so does my Tang....Thank you again
Kim
<I give you very good odds that these two will get along... the Raccoon may be
tough, but there is room to maneuver in the 125 and the Tang has the... tang!
Bob Fenner>
Re: Plans to bring 'ole Yeller' home 7/19/05
Bob,
<Kim>
Thank you, Thank you!! I plan on bringing him home within the next couple of
days. I know he will be much happier in my tank, I have an r/o [which my mom
does not] and a much bigger variety of foods and vitamins for him... My mom
works and really doesn't have the time to care for her tank, I clean it for her
every two weeks. She is thinking of turning it into a freshwater tank, yeah!!!
That's one less tank I will have to deal with!
<Heee!>
But then I will have to take her remaining fish, a Blue Devil Damsel... yikes!!
I think I will put him w/ my Hawkfish! Thank you again, I wasn't sure how the
two fish would do, being similar color, size and needed some reassurance. Thank
you again
<Thank you for sharing. BobF>
Yellow Tang and Coral Banded Shrimp
Hi, <Hi Tim, MacL here with you today.>
I checked and did not see an answer to this question. I have a banded coral
shrimp, yellow tang, two ocellaris clowns, a firefish, and yellowtail damsel in
a 58-gallon FOWLR tank. The tang is the newest addition. <Just so you know, the
tang will eventually outgrow the tank, but I'm sure you are prepared for that
day.> Today, after the bcs molted overnight, I observed the tang
picking at the shrimp's antennae. It appears that he's bitten them off quite
short and sent the bcs into hiding. This is highly unusual because the BCS is
as mean as the proverbial snake and pretty much has his way in the tank. <They
can indeed be highly aggressive.> I also noticed that before the molt, the tang
hung around the shrimp as if expecting to be cleaned, though I never saw the BCS
oblige. <I have in the past seen coral bandeds or banded corals clean fish, but
its fairly rare for them to do it in a tank.> Is this a compatibility problem?
<When the shrimp molted it became weak and that is generally when another fish
will take advantage.> Should one or the other go to quarantine? <The coral
banded will get his antennae back when he next molts but you should know its not
beyond the realm of possibility that the yellow tang will eat the
shrimp. Generally the way it will work is that he'll eat a claw or two and then
the shrimp will be defenseless. Then the yellow tang will take advantage.
Unfortunately I have seen yellow tangs do this before. They can get quite
aggressive. One thing that has helped in the past is to give the tang a higher
meat content, for instance give him bits of krill or Mysis in his foods.
Generally they are algae eaters but often for some reasons they need a more
meaty source. Hopefully this will help.>
Many thanks,
Tim Silver
Stocking a 120
Hi Crew, hope this message finds you in good health. I have a very understocked 120g FOWLR with a few green
Chromis, a coral beauty, a
yellow tang, and a Ocellaris clown. The clown is about 3" and the tang is about 4", both of which I would like to get a complementary friend. I hear the clown would be happier with another, and I always liked the
look of 3 or more yellow tangs in a display... Please let me know how I would go about adding one more clown and 2 more yellow tangs (post
quarantine of course).. Sizes?, All at once? Will there be WWIII? Thanks. Blair
>>>Hello Blair,
A 120 is on the small side for keeping 3 yellow tangs. Years ago I did it in a 135 for a time, borderline, but it worked out just fine. I also ended up taking that tank down before the tangs grew too large as well. I did add all 3 at once though, and this is the recommended method for keeping multiple specimens of most fish, especially those that can be somewhat aggressive. Adding one, letting it get established and then attempting to add others is just asking for trouble. I recommend you either forget the idea of more yellow tangs (space reasons as much as anything) or take back the one you have and get 3 small ones, then introduce them at the same time after quarantine.
As far as the clown goes, he won't be "happier" necessarily, but YOU might be. :) You should be fine obtaining a specimen 1/3 the size of the one you already have - this will be the male. Clowns are hermaphroditic, the smaller less dominant fish always being the male.
Cheers
Jim<<<
Have u been Tang'O ?
Hello guys,
<Steven>
I have been browsing several forums (Singapore Reef Club, ReefCentral,
Arofanatics, and WetWebMedia), yet I have not found an answer to my
questions. I posted in 3 later websites but to not avail. I have also
bought and read The Conscientious Marine Aquarist, The Natural Aquarium,
The Ultimate Marine Aquariums, etc. Perhaps you could help.
<Perhaps>
Introduction:
I have 150cm (L) x 75cm (W) x 75cm (H) aquarium yet to deliver. Main
Equipment: Eheim 1262, Laguna Utility 5 pump, Arcadia MH 150watts x 2
and 30 watts x 2. Chiller yet to order.
Plan:
Phase 1: - FOWLR
Phase 2: - Indo Pacific Patch Reef (with chiller)
Landscape plan:
1. Lots of open spaces.
2. Low vertical relief
3. White sandy sand
4. Vertical relief would be tower like pinnacle.
Q1: Compatibility of fish, which would u recommend?
C1) Pivotal species: To keep a school of yellow tang (5), tomato
clownfish, flame angel, regal angel fish, mandarin fish
<Mmm, you could have the five flavescens... but I would cut this back to three
individuals... far more interesting, less-antagonistic behavior in this size,
shape system... I'd skip the Regal Angel... too big, hard to keep... and would
add a refugium if the mandarins you intend you want to keep well-fed>
C2) 1 of each Pivotal species: Yellow tang, Hippo tang, Powder blue and
brown and Achilles, tomato clownfish, flame angel, regal angel fish,
mandarin fish
<Yellows are best kept in a grouping, the Powder Blue I'd skip (too hard to
keep, too easy a vector for parasitic disease), and the Achilles also not easily
kept period... see above re the mandarins and Regal>
I note yellow tang and clown fish are the easiest of the lot compared to
the rest of wish list. Therefore will be added last.
<I concur>
Q2: Is my aquarium large enough to TangO 5 tangs?
<Not really, comfortably. They will not be happy crowded together. Your message
shows signs of much good study, planning... do either keep honing your stocking
plan, or seek a larger volume tank. Bob Fenner>
YELLOW TANG SIZE
Hi, <Hello> I have a 75 gallon F/O tank with a flame hawk, pair of false
percula clowns, royal Gramma, coral beauty angel and yellow tang. I added the
tang about 3 weeks ago. I thought everything would be OK since he was put in
last, but he seems at times to chase the others off during feeding. <They are
very food competitive.> Also, my royal Gramma is so stressed out that he hasn't
come out to eat in about 3 days. <Not good> The tang is larger than all the
others (about 4 inches). I feel I should get him out and take him back to the
fish store. Do you have any recommendations as to how to catch him? <At night
tangs usually sleep and you might be able to catch him wherever he sleeps.> I
can't net him because of the rocks in the tank and his speed. <Some people use
multiple nets to corner them with. Or take the live rock out of the tank to make
it easier.> Should I have gotten a smaller one to start with? <The problem is
that they will all grow. Although for the more immediate problem a smaller one
might not stress the other fish out as easily.> Any help you can give is greatly
appreciated. thanks, James <Good luck James, MacL>
James Hall
Tang Compatibility (5/25/04)
hello, <Hi there. Steve Allen with you this evening>
Just a quick question regarding compatibility. I have a 240 gallon FOWLR system,
<nice> I'm wondering if a yellow tang, Naso tang, and regal tang would
work in this setup. There is about 150 pounds of live rock and I currently have
had the yellow tang for a year, a 4-5 inch Naso is in my quarantine tank and
would like to purchase the regal if you think it might work. Other tank
inhabitants include perculas and damsels. Thanks. <The Naso and the Regal are
generally peaceful, but their similar shape does present at least some risk of
aggression between them. The other thing to consider is that Regals are
notoriously prone to Ich and HLLE. You might be better off choosing something
else.>
Yellow tang group
Hi Bob / Crew,
<Hello Matthew>
I've browsed through the archive of yellow tang questions, and see that you seem
to consider the idea of shoals of yellow tangs a good idea, in general.
<Yes, given a large enough system... this species lives in such associations
by and large in the wild>
I am planning a new, modestly large tank - it will probably be 187.5gals or
225gals Either 60"x30"x24" OR 72"x30"x24" (L x W x
H) - i.e. te footprint will be 30" wide. I like tanks with high flow rates
- and plan on trying to achieve 25 tank volumes per hour - so hopefully this
should help keep them healthy and fit. I also understand that tang aggression is
also directly linked to the availability of food, so I was planning to have a
"feeding station" at each end of the tank, and keep it full of Nori
all the time.
<Sounds good>
I rather like the idea of having a group of yellow tangs. I know the "odd
number" rule, and also know that te more tangs the better - but obviously I
do not want to overcrowd them either. Could you suggest a number? I was thinking
either 5 or 7 individuals, about 2 to 3" in size. I would order and buy
them all from the same group. The reason I was thinking 7 would be to allow for
mortality, bad luck, exceptionally aggressive or weak individuals ..... so that
in time (say over a year) I might end up with 5 good fish.
<Possibly... I might just try three though>
Finally - I have had a yellow tang for about 4 years now. Great fish, apart from
the fact that he has never grown!!! He's about 3", and has been that size
since I bought him. I think he was stunted when I got him, because he has shared
environments with fish such as an emperor angel and a regal tang, both of which
thrived and grew from 2" to 6" individuals over 18 months. So, I am at
a loss as to how big a yellow tang is likely to get to. Was thinking probably
about 4" (inc. tail).
<Interesting, but this sort of "non-growth" does occur at times, in
the wild and captivity... for no apparent reason. Bob Fenner>
Thanks for reading.
regards,
Matt
Tang Lion compatibility
Hello, based on what I have read, the yellow tang, and Volitans lion seem to
be compatible. But I recently added a lion to my tank, and my tang seems very
panicked. His white stripe has brightened, which I understand as stress, and he
is very jumpy. I am not too familiar with the behavior of tangs, however, from
day one, my tang has always seemed panicked. Is this normal, or stress? My tank
is a 75G so it seems large enough for both, they are each about 2 inches.
<The tang might be a bit stressed but should get over it in time. I would not
be concerned with the lion eating or killing the tang. IanB>
Yellow Tang Harassing New Tankmates
Thank you very much for the quick reply. It's at the end of the day, and I
realize now that the tang is not going to let well enough alone. Now my next
problem: getting the tang out. I tried getting the Firefish out, since I could
at least get him to safety, but he doesn't leave his hiding spot long enough.
And the tang has become a hassle to get out too.<I would try a really small
barbless hook> I can't net her; she darts into the reef, and after a plethora
of attempts, I stopped due to not wanted to kill her with the stress.<Well in
order to catch my chevron tang or my smaller vlamingi tang I have to remove 300
lbs of Live rock.> I set up a "trap" using a breeder tank with her
veggie clip inside, but she won't go /near/ it.<as expected> Aside from
dismantling my reef, is there a better way? <probably a small barbless
hook> Would it be unwise to wait until she was asleep and then "surprise
her" and catch her?<This works well but only with some fish. In my
experience it worked with my starcki damselfish and small vlamingi tang, and
didn't work with my large vlamingi tang and my golden pygmy angelfish. I would
give it a try just to find out, but again no guarantees> Oy, this
could be a LONG week. . .<yes it could, good luck, IanB>
When Tangs Attack!
I've just made two purchases that I'm starting to get worried about. I have
a F/O 55gal tank with a yellow tang, three damsels and two small (1 in.) cleaner
shrimp. I just added a blue regal tang and he's constantly being harassed by the
slightly bigger yellow tang.
I was under the impression that an oval shaped tang would not have a problem
with the more round yellow tang and visa versa.
<Not always- tangs of all species can be quarrelsome and territorial. New
tangs (even of different species) can certainly be targets of harassment by the
established tang. I had a friend who was in near panic because his 3 inch Kole
Tang was making life miserable for a 4 inch Sohal Tang (Known as one of the
toughest of the tangs, personality wise).>
Will the harassment stop at some point, or should I consider bringing the regal
back to my LFS?
<Well, it's hard to say. Usually, things will settle down and the social
order will be restored. Sometimes, these confrontations can result in death to
the newcomer. You just don't know. Your tank is really at the upper limit of its
capacity as far as larger fish like tangs are concerned. Ultimately, these fish
(assuming they eventually settle down) will require a much larger tank to live
out their natural life spans. In the mean time, keep a very close eye on the
situation, and be prepared to remove the Regal if necessary. Alternatively, some
people like to re-arrange the decor when adding a new fish, because the established
"territories" are then gone, and everyone can start "fresh",
so to speak. At this point, however, you probably want to see how things go
before doing that.>
I also added a large (2 in.) coral banded shrimp. Do my small cleaner shrimp
have anything to worry about?
<Coral banded shrimp can and will attack other shrimp. This is not to say
that they cannot co-exist with other types of shrimp, but once again, you need
to keep a close eye on them and be prepared for action if needed. Take Care! Scott
F.>
Yellow Tang
>Hi!
>>Hi!
>I have a 75g tank with one yellow tang whose about 1.5" long and a
Maroon clown fish , a little smaller. Also one coral banded shrimp. I would like
to know specifically what fish i can add to the tank and how many. I would love
to add more tangs, but finding more about fish that get along with
the yellow
tang has been hard. Also can i add live plants, if so what kind?
>>Ok, consider the Forcipiger longirostris or F. flavissimus--two
different species both known as Longnose butterflies. Make sure that
they are at least twice the size of the Yellow tang, to avoid aggression towards
these more timid fish as they are both yellow and shaped similarly to the Yellow
tang. You could also add a Copperband butterfly.
>>You could add a Royal Gramma or Pseudochromis, please don't mix them,
though. Hawkfish are a great addition, Arc-eye or Longnose are good
(watch the Longnose for suicidal leaps). The more timid damsels (such
as the lovely pink and yellow Fiji damsel) would fare well and provide lively
action. You could also consider a pygmy angel, such as a Flame angel,
but only add one, they don't care for each other and interspecies aggression is
an issue.
>>If you added two butterflies (maybe three, but be careful), a hawkfish,
a Pseudochromis or Royal Gramma, and a pygmy (not a Potter's) I think you should
be doing fairly well. Please avoid fishes that require aged,
well-established reef tanks to thrive, such as Mandarin fish. Without
knowing your tank parameters or filtration it's difficult to be hard and fast
about numbers (it is anyway, though), so it's better to err on the side of
Understocking. Marina
Yellow Tang
With all your experience I would like to know if you would advise putting a yellow tang in a 75 gallon reef tank. I also have a flame angel and a mated
pair of clowns. I've heard yes and no on different BB's. My decision to do so will be solely based on your answer. I've received nothing but great
information from you so far. Thank you
<There is always some risk in placing any living thing... all "reef safe" statements ought to be accompanied by a IMO/IME stipulation... and a % risk assessment (living in California has decidedly whacked my perception re legal liabilities!). Ahem, I give high confidence in a Yellow Tang being a great asset, getting along here. Please read: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/YellowTang.htm and the many related FAQs files.
Bob Fenner>
2 Yellow Tangs
Hi Bob-
Could I keep 2 yellow tangs in a 125 FO without much of an aggression
problem. Or would I need about 5 to 6? Thanks.
<Two should be fine, even interesting in a 125... in fact, you could have three... at about the same level of agonistic behavior.
Bob Fenner>
4 Yellow Tangs
I purchased 4 yellow tangs for my 150gal tank, the pet store assured me that
it was safe. However they are nipping at each others fin and they are
beginning to look very ragged. What can I do, should I put more in so they
can get along. I was also wondering if it was beneficial for my tank if I
don't scrape off the green algae growing on the 3 sides of my tank( for
Phosphate removal). Thank you
<Almost feel like Gandhi (Mahatma) here (though I am never to be worthy of his attention)... but either remove one or add one more... strange as it may seem, small odd numbers of this species (amongst other shoaling fishes) are best kept together... That and offer greens (best, sheet algae from the oriental store) daily.
Bob Fenner>
Intro Order
Bob,
I have a yellow tang, six line wrasse, royal Gramma and a damn blue damsel
that beats the hell out of the Gramma (but I can't catch him!). I want to introduce a pair of maroon clowns and a hippo tang. Do you suggest removing
the yellow tang in order to do this? I have heard they can be nasty to newcomers.
<Well, mainly matters on how big, how many nooks and crannies you have in this system... and the individual personality of your Yellow Tang... but I think if the tank is big enough (let's say a hundred gallons) you have good odds, not only of the Zebrasoma behaving itself, but even toning down that darn Damsel!
Bob Fenner>
Yellow Tangs
I have 2 Yellow Tangs. Is it possible to put them both in the same tank???
Can You ever put more then one Yellow Tang in the same tank???
<Yes indeed... have two downstairs here in a twenty. Depends on size (best about same) and putting both in at same time... and temperament of individuals...
Bob Fenner>
Yellow Tangs
I tried it. They fought, so I had to remove one. Any suggestions on what to do next??? I would like to put the 2 together, so I can have a tank that has
good algae growth
<Take out the one that was the apparent "winner" for a couple of weeks and then return it to the tank where the other has been living without it.
Bob Fenner, who says... they may well be "incompatible".>
Yellow Tangs
Hey Bob
I'm putting together a Hawaiian bio-type FOWLR. It is a standard 48", 90gal tank. I bought the tank used and it came with one yellow tang, (3-1/2
inches or so). I wanted to put in three yellow tangs, as they are so common
in parts of Hawaii. I have a line on an great, healthy, eating well XL-tang
(6 inch) at a LFS that also has a stock of small sized (2-3 inch) yellow
tangs. My question is: If I introduce one of each size, on the same day, to the
tank with the one yellow tang already in existence. Will I start WW 3? Or will they stand a decent chance of adapting? Will staggering their physical
size like this help at all? There is a lot of live rock, lots of spots to
hide. The existing yellow tang seldom ventures more than 8 or 9 inches
from a little area he seems to call home--and his territory has a little cave that he hides from me in.
Thanks! Randy
<I would definitely just add two of the smaller Yellow Tangs (Zebrasoma
flavescens)... they will be far more adaptable to your circumstances and live much longer, happier lives... and draw out your existing animal.
I invite you to read over the Hawaiian section of my most recent book, posted on the site: Home Page , and the input there on this Sailfin species of tang.
Bob Fenner>
Fish
Bob,
Do you think a yellow tang will get along with my lionfish or will he get
killed? I want to buy a 6" yellow tang. Do you think if I put 10 fish total
in my tank, all around 6", will that work or is that too many fish for my
120 gallon tank? Also, will a porcupine puffer get along with my lionfish? Chris
<A Yellow Tang should get along fine... with the Lion, as long as it is big enough to not get inhaled... and doesn't turn out to be one of the few "mean" specimens that becomes intolerant of slow-moving tankmates... And the Puffer as well for about the same reasons... Just assure that there is a good feeding regimen for getting food to your Lion once the Puffer becomes established (they're hogs)... and I would work up to about eight fishes of these sizes...Bob Fenner>
Quick Yellow Tang question
Hi Bob
Hope all is well. I have a 65 gallon FO setup, plenty of deco and filtration. I
have one 6" Sohal tang, one tomato clown, one cleaner wrasse and one bi-colour
blenny. Everyone is happy. I would like to make one more addition and am quite
keen on something like another tang (angels and butterflies too hard for me just
yet!).
Do you think that the Yellow Tang could be introduced successfully to my system
or should I consider another type of tang? Suggestions would be great. Thanks in advance.
Andy Barnes UK
<Thanks for writing. A Yellow Tang (or other Zebrasoma) is a good choice in
its own accord and should go fine in your system (though there is sure to be
some "jousting" with your Acanthurus Sohal initially... Do take a read
through my ratings of all Surgeonfishes posted on the site: www.WetWebMedia.com
with a large pot of tea on hand... There are many to consider... but the
Sailfins as I mention, the Combtooth Tangs (genus Ctenochaetus) and some of the
smaller Acanthurus would be worthy additions. Cheers, Bob Fenner>
RE: Yellow Tang Mortality
Bob, Can one put 2 Tangs in the same tank without them becoming aggressive towards each other? If I can't put another yellow, what about a blue or
purple? Thanks, Steve
<Yes, please read over the Zebrasoma and Yellow Tang/Zebrasoma flavescens FAQs files posted on the website: www.WetWebMedia.com
Bob Fenner>
Yellow Tang aggression
I have a yellow tang that seems to be getting aggressive since he got
rid of his ich. The shrimp are hiding from him. I got so more live rock
today and changed things around and the shrimp were coming out more. I
would like to get two fish tomorrow so the tang doesn't get too territorial.
Can I get a Koran angel,. Sailfin tang (red sea), and or a bi-color
angel for my 37 gal. tank...(18 inches wide) with the yellow tang , two
shrimp and a damsel I already have?
<Unfortunately no. All three will get too large for this size system. You might consider a couple of an easier going damselfish.>
I thought I would get more than one fish so the tang wouldn't pick on
one. plus I just added the rock to change his environment. Cheryl
<All good ideas... and the Tang will settle down as it settles in. Bob Fenner>
Adding new fish
I am going to be adding 2 new fish to my 150g tank today and was wondering what I can do to keep my yellow tang from bothering the new additions? The tang bothers every new addition relentlessly. No matter where the new fish go he goes after them. It drives me crazy. Thanks! Kevin Ballard
<Either remove the Tang for a week or so while the new additions become established in the tank, or partition the Tang into a corner, float it in a colander etc. in the tank to keep it away from the other livestock... I know it's hard to catch... use two nets of size, a friend
who's good with the other one...
Moving decor, leaving lights off, feeding... won't likely help here. Bob Fenner>
Oh, no! I've got the "gimme's"! (small yellow tangs)
Thanks for the response! However, now I have ANOTHER question (hope I'm not being a pest). I asked my LFS to see if he could get some smaller yellow
tangs in the hopes that I could get one that wouldn't squabble with my little hippo (he was even smaller than 1.5 inches when I got him - I feel
like he's my "baby"). Yesterday I went in there and he had three smallish yellow tangs - about 2 inches long. That's the smallest I've ever seen them.
However, they looked like they had goose bumps on their sides. Not big zit-like bumps, but little tiny bumps not very closely packed. They were the
same color as the rest of the fish, which was the brilliant yellow of a healthy yellow tang. No signs of ich, either. Are these bumps something that
occur with juvenile fish of this species? Or is it a severe "red flag"? (Oh, and the fish were acting pretty normal, and eating as well.)
<Natural... stress related...>
I hope you had a great time in Key West. The Keys are my all-time favorite vacation spot so far, and I hope to move down there next spring if I can get
hired by one of the defense contractors at the naval base down there.
<Mmm... perhaps self-employment is in your future.>
Thanks again for taking the time to answer my previous question!
Sincerely, Gina
<A pleasure my friend. I would buy one of these small Yellow Tangs sooner rather than later if you intend to keep one. Bob Fenner>
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