Stingray question, FW, ID, sexing... 5/22/07
Hello
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I was wondering if I would be able to send you a couple of pictures.
<Certainly>
I purchased a teacup stingray from a local pet store, which I believe to be a
motoro. Wondering if you could confirm. I also think "it" is a girl, but would
like to know for certain :)
<Sure... just send a few pix showing the underside...>
I really enjoyed reading your article on wetweb media and have bookmarked it for
future reference.
Have a wonderful day ;)
Stefanie
<You as well. Bob Fenner> |
Re: stingray question, ID, sex 5/22/07
Thank you very much.
<Welcome>
Here are the pictures. Let me know if you need more.
<Thank you... this is a female... and... though I can't be sure,
appears to be a Potamotrygon reticulata... now synonymized with
P. orbignyi... though the one pic (dorsally) almost appears to
be P. marinae (only found in Fr. Guyana...). BobF>
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You can call him Ray (FW) cuz' that's what he is
I've had my ray for about a month now. He is a fresh water ray
from the St. Johns River in Florida. He used to eat from our hand
during the first week, however, we can't seem to catch him eating now. It
doesn't look like he's touching the stuff we leave in there. We're
giving him tetracycline that our pet store ray specialist gave us. We've
been keeping the filter off because the medicine, but have been doing 10% water
changes every other day. His pH is at about 8, he's got a glass
bottom (no gravel). The problem is that he doesn't seem to be eating,
and his Left eye is clouded over. He's been on his medicine for about
four days now. He looks a lot better than he did a week ago except
for his eye and eating problem. Please Help us, thank you.
<Hi Luke, Please head over to this link and do what you can to provide the
conditions mentioned there. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwstingrays.htm Make
sure you read down to the bottom of the page to see the disease section. These
guys need a lot of room, filtration, low pH (below 7) and are sensitive to some
meds. More at the link above. Craig><<This is actually
not a permanent freshwater denizen... RMF>>
A minor inaccuracy (Potamotrygonidae id)
Hello,
I wanted to say that I love the magazine. I also wanted to bring up one thing
though. In the May 2003 issue focused on livebearers, in Fenner's article
"Livebearing Fishes, For Aquariums... and Not" there is a picture
listed as Ocellate river stingray, Potamotrygon motoro. The fish in the picture
is actually P. henlei or P. leopoldi, more likely the latter, but from the
picture it's impossible to tell. P. motoro is an extremely variable species, but
the black body is a tell-tale that it's not motoro.
I'm currently keeping a group of 3 Leopoldi's, http://scott.aaquaria.com has
some of my pictures of them. Also, I wanted to ask if you were planning any
freshwater stingray articles in the next few months, they're quite colorful, and
very interesting, and are somewhat overlooked as aquarium fish, in my opinion.
S. Allen Greeson
Colorado Springs, CO
<Thank you for this input. Will check, change in my notes. Bob Fenner>
From: "David E. Boruchowitz" <editor@tfh.com>
Judging from FishBase, I'd vote for leopoldi. Or is this a case of extreme
variability in coloration?<Actually... please see: http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=53761&genusname=Potamotrygon&speciesname=henlei
Bob Fenner>
FW Stingray ids
Robert,
Hello. I wasn't quiet expecting a reply that quick, but yeah, most likely
leopoldi. They can kind of go back and forth, generally leopoldi is black and
white where as henlei is greyish black and gold spots. It varies a lot, and the
best trait I know of is that henlei has it's spots extending to the underside of
the body, leopoldi doesn't. It may all be a moot point, there are arguments that
they're the same species, and that leopoldi is just the regional variant for
xingu, since it's endemic. who knows... Stingray taxonomy is in just as much
disarray as most south American fishes.
Scott
<I checked the few pix on fishbase.org and the P. henlei is dark-bodied and
similarly spotted to what I have (tentatively) identified on WetWebMedia.com:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/fwstingrays.htm
and fishbase:
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?ID=53761&genusname=Potamotrygon&speciesname=henlei...
agreed re the systematics of this family.
Bob Fenner>
FW Stingray ids
The one on WetWebMedia may or may not be henlei, I'm going off Ross's
publication with Schafer, Freshwater Rays, it's by Aqualog and Freshwater
stingrays from south America by Ross for my species ID's. It doesn't make much
of a difference except henlei is a bit smaller than leopoldi apparently.
<Don't know that the arrangement of spots isn't different, but just wanted to
state where my identification came from. Bob Fenner>
Stingray Identification? - 03/31/2005
I am getting ready to purchase my first stingray, but I am receiving conflicting information about the type of ray. The store at which I plan to buy the ray tells me it is a Brazilian teacup ray. I have been look up information on the web and have found that any ray under 5" is considered a teacup.
<Agh, I hate common names. I've only ever heard Potamotrygon orbignyi (also known as P. reticulatus) referred to as the "teacup" ray. Do please consult
http://www.fishbase.org and enter "Potamotrygon" into the genus area and do a search. Look at all the different rays, and compare with the one you're looking into purchasing. Try to make a positive ID prior to purchase, so you know what you're getting into.>
When I first saw the ray I thought it was a flower ray.
<Again, common names, especially when dealing with fish as uncommon as the freshwater rays, are worthless.>
Is there anything special that I can look for on the ray to help me determine which species it is?
<Just as above.>
I am planning on putting the ray in a 55gal to start.
<I would *strongly* urge against this. Plan for the *adult* size of the fish, and have the appropriate size/shape tank to start with. A 55 is grossly inadequate for housing a fish that will ultimately have a disc size of 14" or so. A 55g tank is only 12" front to back. Please plan on a MUCH larger tank than this.>
What is the average rate of growth for stingray?
<Very fast, if fed and cared for properly. If you got the ray, at, say, a 6" disc diameter, expect it to outgrow the 55g in less than a year. I wouldn't put a 6" ray in a 55g to start with. Given the cost of rays, you really will be farther ahead to start with a tank that can house them for their lives, not for a few months. It will cost you more in the long run to keep upgrading just to keep them in "adequate" sized housing. Please think seriously before making your purchase; better to wait and succeed than to be impatient and risk losing the fish.>
Thanks!
<Wishing you and your future charges well, -Sabrina>