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Motoro stingray
5/15/09
Hi. I sent a question a few months back asking about breeding Motoro
stingrays ( spelled breeding, Breading )
<Mmm... breaded stingray!>
I now have a concern about something else. I had both stingrays a male
approx 9" and a female approx 10" in a small 90 Gallon tank. (27" wide X
52" long and 18" deep approx) My problem was other than the size Too
small.
The Male became to aggressive and chewed off the lower disk and fins of
the female. I moved the Male into there to be new home a 250 gal tank
36" wide X 72" long and 30" deep. This tank has been cycled for 4 months
and has two Fluval FX5 filters and one Aquaclear 500 filtering it. It
has two Eheim 250W heater.
<Sounds good; do keep the heater protected with a "heater guard" though,
or better yet, inside the sump. Stingrays easily burn themselves on
glass heaters.>
With glass bead substrate. Very soft and non abrasive ( like tiny
marbles)
<Never heard of this; can't say I like the sound of it all that much, so
do check with other Stingray keepers that it is known to be safe. Even
if it is smooth, the texture or colour may be off-putting. If all else
fails, plain vanilla gravel works, as does smooth silica "silver" sand
from garden centres. Neither of these costs much. Do observe all the
usual rules when selecting, using substrates re: being lime-free,
non-abrasive, thoroughly cleaned before use, and regularly cleaned once
installed.>
With a large pc of bog wood for decor. I do a 30% -35% water change
every 4-5 days. Last time I checked 2 days ago the ammonia, Nitrates and
Nitrites where at 0ppm The PH Is 5.5 The temperature was 81 f But I
replaced a defective heater and it is now 76 f. The only fish in the
tank are 2 angelfish, 3 SAE's and 20 Guppies.
<Fine.>
The male Stingray has been in the tank for 30 days. He spends most of
his time swimming against the glass near the surface of the water in the
same spot. When I first put him in the tank he ate like a pig as usual.
Silver sides, night crawlers, black worms, Ghost shrimp and sometimes
grubs or crickets. But now he is eating very little and not so eager to
eat. Just swimming in his spot or sitting on the bottom. Do you think he
just needs more time acclimating to his new tank? or should I be more
concerned about something else?
<With Stingrays, you should *always* be concerned when these fish don't
behave normally. Put simply, behaviour is your first and only warning of
problems; by the time symptoms of ill health appear, it's often too
difficult (or impossible) to treat them. So yes, review water chemistry,
water quality in particular, but also potential social issues such as
the Siamese Algae Eaters "nibbling" on the Stingray and annoying it.
Don't keep adding food while he isn't eating, but do try offering
earthworms after 3-4 days of starving to see if he's ready to eat again.
Do consider possible sources of toxins: paint fumes, cleaning agents,
etc. Check water circulation throughout the tank is adequate: is the
bottom layer of water being moved about? Or just the top? Does adding
extra aeration make a
difference? Rays are super-sensitive to low oxygen concentration, which
can be caused by poor circulation and excessive heat. Look for signs of
decay in the tank: particularly organic debris stuck in the substrate.
Perform a
large water change, controlling pH and hardness changes as much as
possible.>
When he was in the small tank with the female he was doing better under
poor tank conditions. Where the female is now flourishing and healing
nicely. Getting bigger and fatter. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Thank you. Kevin
<These are difficult fish at the best of times. If water
quality/chemistry are good, I'd be reviewing tankmates, diet, substrate,
and sources of disturbance such as loud TV sets close to the aquarium.
Cheers, Neale.>
Regarding Freshwater Stingrays'
Babies. 7/15/08
Hello,
Can you advise me as to how to take care of new born babies of
PLE14?
<I assume you mean Potamotrygon species P 14; I've never heard of
'PLE14' but I admit my knowledge of these animals is hardly
encyclopaedic!>
What kind of procedures should I follow?
<Same as the adults, though removing the adults, particularly the
male, is recommended.>
I have almost a dozen of new born babies which came from the
breeding of PLE10 and PLE14.
When they were born, the babies seems to be in good conditions,
however after a couple of days they started behaving weirdly.
<Well done on getting the babies!>
Some of them start having fin curl issues, some start leaking sticky
substance from their bodies.
<Ah, this is the tricky bit with all livebearers, whether Stingrays
or Guppies -- getting the babies is easy, rearing them in good
numbers is difficult.>
Have checked the water ph (is around pH 7), changed the water
gradually to get it slightly more acidic, temperature was normal
(around 27 degrees Celsius), with filters and heaters. Everything
seem to be in good condition.
<I wouldn't mess with water chemistry. It doesn't matter much to
Stingrays. What matters to them is water quality (ammonia, nitrite
and nitrate) first and pH stability second. Changing the pH, even to
a nominally optimal value, can stress them. Moreover, as with any
freshwater fish, changing the pH without changing the hardness as
well is pointless and likely to cause pH instability.>
The adults rays were in the same pond but they don't have any
issues, however the babies seems to be having a very tough time, in
fact a few of them have already passed on.
<For a start I'd concentrate on keeping water chemistry stable and
water quality optimal. I'd be tempted to isolate the juveniles, and
perhaps the females as well (the male Stingrays, like male Guppies,
can be quite persistent re: mating, and in the process can stress,
even damage, the females.>
Please advise what should I do to prevent the others from becoming
the same way.
<Can you tell me a bit about the pond, i.e., capacity, pH,
general/carbonate hardness? Do also review the substrate. While
Stingrays definitely prefer sand on the bottom of the tank, there's
some experience to suggest sand can trap dirt and/or bacteria and
cause problems. While adults may be relatively resistant if the sand
is kept clean, juveniles may be more sensitive. This is certainly
the case with many other benthic fish, for example juvenile
catfish.>
Thank you very much.
Regards,
Qianling
<Good luck, Neale.>
Re: Regarding Freshwater Stingrays'
Babies. – 07/16/08
Hi Neale,
Thanks for the prompt reply! :)
<You're welcome.>
We have removed the babies from the main pond, to avoid adults having conflicts
with them.
<Good. Do also try and separate the female for a while, so she can "fatten up" a
bit.>
The ponds that we shifted the babies to is 4ft long 2 ft wide 2ft depth (6 in
one and 5 in the other), the pond for adults is 18ft long 10ft wide 2ft depth
(total 8 adults within it).
<Sounds great.>
There is no substrate at all, totally clear water. pH was around 7.2.
<All good.>
We did put in the pandan plant to minimise the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate
issue.
<Hmm... is it possible some pesticide spray came in with this plant? Also
remember that things like ceramic plant pots can carry various residues into the
aquarium too.>
Temp is around 26.5 ~ 27 degree Celsius.
<OK.>
Adults pond have 1 big and 2 small filters. Babies ponds don't have filter at
this moment.
<Ah, this isn't going to work in the long term... or even the short term. I'd
have at the very least a decent canister filter working here.>
All ponds do not have heater as my country's (Singapore) climate is pretty warm
unless there's storm in the night then perhaps the water temp might be slight
cooler.
<Sounds fine.>
What other things should we take note of?
<Nothing obviously remiss here, except the lack of filter on the pond with the
juvenile fish. I'd perhaps check the nitrite/nitrate levels first, and then also
consider whether the diet offered to the juveniles is sufficiently balanced. Do
also consider extrinsic factors, e.g., pesticide sprays, paint fumes, cooking
fumes. Use of activated charcoal to remove any potential toxins from the water
might be worthwhile if these are suspected. Consider running tests for chlorine
and copper, both of which are very toxic to Stingrays, and likely more so to
juveniles than adults.>
Please advise.
<There's really not much more to say. Generally if Stingrays are happy, they
breed. And if water conditions are good enough for breeding, the juveniles are
comparatively easy to rear. You could separate off one or two of the youngsters
to an aquarium where you can control water quality/chemistry more easily.>
Thank you very much!! :)
Regards,
Qianling
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Regarding Freshwater
Stingrays' Babies. 7/17/2008
Hi Neale,
Again Thank you!! :)
<Most welcome.>
Will inform my dad about all these issues that he has to take note
of. He's still considered as a newbie in rearing stingrays though he
does have a few more experience people with him however they seem
totally unsure what to do about the babies.
<Very good. The thing is to experiment. Healthy fish will produce
many batches of babies, so you can test out different ideas each
time until you find a system that works for you.>
You have been a fascinating help!! :)
Last question that got me seriously curious about these rays..
<Yes?>
How does one feed them one by one? using hand? or those stick like
thing to put the food in? Won't they be uncomfortable with the stick
like thing?
<Simply placing live foods at the bottom of the aquarium should be
enough to get the juveniles feeding. Bloodworms and other small
invertebrates would be the ideal. Small earthworms seem to be
especially favoured by Stingrays (and indeed fish generally!).
Frozen foods may work too. Surprisingly perhaps, I find using
forceps or other tools to hand feed fish works rather well. Fish
seem to accept an inanimate object much more readily than me
sticking my arm into the tank.>
Oops another... Can the babies eat what the adults are eating?
<Pretty much the same stuff, but smaller in size of course.>
Thank you very much!! :)
Regards,
Qianling
<You are welcome! Good luck, and how about some photos? Cheers,
Neale.>
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Stingray question, FW, ID, sexing... 5/22/07
Hello
<Morrow>
I was wondering if I would be able to send you a couple of pictures.
<Certainly>
I purchased a teacup stingray from a local pet store, which I believe to
be a motoro. Wondering if you could confirm. I also think "it" is a
girl, but would like to know for certain :)
<Sure... just send a few pix showing the underside...>
I really enjoyed reading your article on wetweb media and have
bookmarked it for future reference.
Have a wonderful day ;)
Stefanie
<You as well. Bob Fenner> |
Re: stingray question, ID, sex 5/22/07
Thank you very much.
<Welcome>
Here are the pictures. Let me know if you need more.
<Thank you... this is a female... and... though I can't be sure,
appears to be a Potamotrygon reticulata... now synonymized with P.
orbignyi... though the one pic (dorsally) almost appears to be P.
marinae (only found in Fr. Guyana...). BobF>
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Stefanie |
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