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All species, colonies have varying light needs,
tolerances, capacities...
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Lighting/Acclimation- corals 4/22/08
Hello crew.
<Hi Taylor>
I have a question in regards to light acclimation. I currently have a 55 gallon
system being lit with a 4X65 watt fixture (2 bulbs on left/right). I plan on
upgrading to a 6X 54 watt T5 setup (each bulb running the full length of the
tank). I am currently only keeping LPS, mushrooms, zoanthids, as well as a frag
of Montipora near the top of my rock. Strangely enough, the Monti is doing
really well and has had measurable growth in the past month. Anyway, my question
is, what type of light acclimation would you recommend when my new lights
arrive? I am currently running the PC's on an 11 hour cycle. I don't want to end
up bleaching the LPS or Montipora.
<Mmm, not a huge increase in light intensity, but enough to start out with a six
hour photoperiod and increase thirty minutes per day.>
Thank you for your time.
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Taylor
Re: My Poor Brain, Hello
again! Quick question about lighting. -04/11/08
Will I notice much of a difference if I switch to a dual 175 watt electronic
ballast?
I currently am running two magnetic ballasts. I have heard they consume more
electricity and fluctuate more throughout the day.
<This is so>
I would like to switch to 14k bulbs, will this be sufficient with the soft coral
in a 2' deep tank?
<Mmm, yes... possibly some acclimation/adaptation...>
Or would I benefit switching to 20k 250 watt bulbs?
<See WWM re... I would not switch to the higher Kelvin rating for functionality
sake... and only to higher wattage if you can/intend to match other aspects of
physiology here>
I do like the 20k look, but not sure if I can get away with it using 175 watt.
<Will include your prev. corr. below... for this size/shape volume (a 65 gal.),
the 175's will be fine>
My canopy will not allow a HQI fixture unfortunately.
Thank you for your help! The brain is doing much better, no noticeable regrowth,
but the recession has stopped.
Rob
<Ah, good. Bob Fenner>
WetWebMedia Crew <crew@wetwebmedia.com> wrote:
Help with my Brain? he means the one in his tank)
Hello!
<>
I have a 65 gallon (love this size!) tank with a built in overflow. The overflow
has a 1" drain and a 3/4" return. (MegaFlow my a$#) They both are used as
drains, the 3/4" goes to my refugium. It is a 30 gallon rubber tub with 4" live
sand and Chaeto that completely fills it! The 1 1/2" bulkhead drains from this
refugium into a ten or so gallon area that houses a DIY skimmer (very pleased
with it!), heaters and carbon. This area also receives the water from the 1"
overflow on the main tank. Water is then run back to the tank via a "little
giant mdc-x" I believe. It is rated 1100 per hour. Water is run into a 1" pvc
closed loop with four 1/2" outputs that were heated and squeezed at the ends.
<>
Main tank; 1/2" to an inch of crushed coral
104#s of live rock
No fish,
<>
three fingers, a green toadstool, a red and teal open brain and a couple
mushrooms. All up and running for over a year. The tank is lit by two 175 watt
bulbs, one 10k and the other 20k. The refugium is on reverse light cycle and is
lit by two 65 watt 12k pcs.
Water;
nitrite and ammonia-0
nitrate-0-.5
pH-8.2
Alk- 13dkh
calcium-ran out of the tests..oops was around 450
temp fluctuates between 77 and 80
<>
I have no algae problems and everything is quite stable. I prefer light
stocking, although I want to add more a little at a time.
Okay, several questions! My open brain has bad tissue loss, it has reached one
of its mouths! I admit, I have been on the road a lot lately and have neglected
my duty a bit. There were probably times where it was fed only once a week,
maybe less! I know..its not fair to the animals! It still eats, in fact I am
still able to feed the mouth that is reduced to half its former glory. I am
feeding fresh gulf shrimp and clam. I will feed it as often as it will eat until
it hopefully recovers. It gets light only from the 20k bulb, shaded from the
10k. I cant imagine this is too much light, the tank is two feet deep and it
doesn't expand to the point that makes me think its reaching for light. It gets
just enough current to gently move the flesh now and again. I am adding iodide
daily. Should I increase flow, lighting...anything?
<>>
My water seems fine, I am back to weekly 5 to ten gallon water changes. I use
instant ocean aged for at least two or three days. Only R.O. water is
used for mixing salt and my top off unit. The top off water is buffered before
use.
Another question! I have not noticed much growth in my coral over the past year.
I feed my refugium weekly with some flakes or scraps from the food cuttings for
the brain. It is full of little white stars and Amphi/cope pods! I have baby
snails (Margarita) coming out of my...and there is good Coralline growth. Is
there a need to house a small fish or two for nutrients or something?
<>
Other than the feeding the fuge and the brain, I add no other foods.
<>
I do not get it! I have noticed that when I turn my Chaeto over and the tank
clouds up a little, that the little hard tubes on my live rock shoot out what
look to be old dusty spider webs. It makes me want to stick a feather duster in
there and clean it out! I think I know the answer, but just to be safe, could
these little guys irritate my coral?
<>
I really appreciate your role in this hobby, you are all a great source of help!
<>
Thank you!
Rob
<>
Question regarding lighting
04/05/2008
Oh Mighty Wet Web Media Gods and Goddesses,
Thanks for all of your hard work and effort. I shudder to think what the tank in
my office would look like without all of you! With that in mind, I respectfully
submit a question to you regarding lighting. The tank in question is all glass
and measures 72? long x 23? deep x 17 ½? wide. It has dual overflows, a 4in sand
bed of Caribsea Aragonite with some rubble on top, and approximately 150 lbs. of
?live? rock. It is in the lobby of a non-profit organization dedicated to the
needs of children and families. Over 200 people pass the tank each day from
newborn to 90. The inhabitants include:
Coral
1 Sinularia flexibilis
1 Sarcophyton sp.
1 Lobophytum sp.
1 Klyxum sp.
A rock of Pachyclavularia sp.
2 species of Actinodiscus
2 species of Ricordea
Inverts
1 Lysmata amboinensis
1 Lysmata debelius
A handful of hermit crabs (which I am considering pulling out.)
A handful of snails (infested with Pyramidellid snails, I believe)
Fish
4 Chromis cyaneus
2 Amphiprion ocellaris
The tank is 20 months old. There have been no new additions in 8 months. My
stocking plan includes one more Sarcophyton sp. and a few more mushrooms. I am
also interested in Featherduster worms. With regard to fish, I'd like to add a
shrimp goby, or pair of shrimp gobies, such as Amblyeleotris randalli or
Stonogobiops nematodes, along with a symbiotic shrimp. I'd also like a
Paracheilinus mccoskeri. Last, I plan to add either a yellow or a purple tang
and maybe a Centropyge loriculus, though I know they can be difficult I am open
to suggestions for different centerpiece? fish that would fit into this
community.) I am waiting to purchase until I see healthy specimens that are
eating well. The right fish is worth the wait. The tank has a Current USA Orbit
lighting fixture.
<<One of the tangs mentioned above would be a superb centre piece>>
It is 72?long with dual 10,000k 96 watt bulbs and dual 460nm Actinics. I would
like to upgrade. I cant hang anything from the ceiling. I don't have room for a
chiller. There is no canopy over the aquarium; however there is a glass top. The
glass is in place to keep fingers and flying toys out of the tank. I have also
seen people just walk on over and pick up the lights to look underneath. Keeping
these things in mind, I am considering the Nova Extreme Pro 12 x 39 watt T5 HO
which includes six 10,000k bulbs and six 460 nm actinic bulbs. Because we are a
non-profit and I am spending someone else's money, I want to make dang sure that
what I am purchasing is worthwhile. Do you think, considering our tank
dimensions and stocking list, that it would be worth spending the money to
change our lighting system to this new fixture?
<<Certainly, its a nice lighting fixture you have mentioned. However, i would at
least fix a warning by the tank explaining that they could get burned from the
lighting fixture. Ourselves, as aquarists, are aware of the heat factor, Joe
blogs public are not, as you have already mentioned people lift the light, a
warning with the fixture quoted above should be in place.>>
Thank you, Kim
<<Thanks for the questions Kim, hope this helps, and good luck. A Nixon>>
Coral Specific Lighting
-02/20/08
Hi all,
First let me begin by saying how much I appreciate all you provide to the
aquarium lover. I'm new to the hobby and your advice has proven invaluable.
Currently I have a 46 gallon bowfront aquarium with a Current 192 watt, dual
daylight, dual actinic compact fluorescent fixture. I also have a Typhoon
skimmer, Magnum 300 canister filter, and 25 watt gamma UV sterilizer with 60
lbs. of live rock for natural filtration.
My livestock includes, 2 tomato clowns, an algae blenny, a purple tang ( who
will soon have a larger FOWLR home ), 3 peppermint shrimp, and a scarlet cleaner
shrimp. I'm new to corals but have had success so far with a Australian Duncan
whisker, a silver pulsing xenia and a Montipora digitata ( which has changed
from blue to pink ).
My question relates to some LPS I have taken interest in. I'm looking into an
Australian Acanthastrea, Micromussa or Blastomussa, and possibly a Lobophillia.
Will my existing lighting be sufficient to support these new corals or should I
upgrade to a Current SunPod, dual 14k HQI fixture which seemed to be an
economical upgrade.
<You don't need much light for Acanthastrea, Micromussa or Blastomussa corals.
You might want a little more for the Lobophyllia, but they can also adjust. In
any case, you should pay attention to the lighting they are currently being kept
under at the LFS so that you can acclimate appropriately. This link might also
be helpful:
http://www.asira.org/caresheets>
Thanks in advance for your help.
<De nada>
Shawn Green
Baltimore, MD
<Best,
Sara M.>
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Lighting for shrooms and
polyps 02/19/2008
Hello again crew......
<<Hello, Andrew here>>
I'm hoping I am not going to be referred to the archives because I've just
exhausted myself for 2 days trying to get an accurate answer before pestering you
guys!? lol
<<will try not too.. he he he>>
I have a 125 gal ( 72" x 18" x 21") FOWLR with DSB set in a wall between my
office and our clubroom. From my office there is a lower cabinet that houses the
sump/refugium LR/DSB/Chaeto) and skimmer, along with all the plumbing. The
lights and feeding area are hidden by the upper portion of the cabinet that
pulls down to access. Not the best design at all but it was my husband's first
attempt and I am a newbie (2+yrs) so we didn't think ahead on a lot of things.
Lighting for one.....there is little room to hang lights so we just have them
sitting on top of the glass panels that are on top of the tank.....it's not "air
tight" so it doesn't get all that hot, even with the cabinet doors shut. Tank
temp is always between 79-80 degrees. Because of the way the tank is set in the
wall and the framing design this is the only lights we could fit that "just
about" make the length of the tank. I have one Coralife lighting unit (with fans
and moonlights) that is 36" that has a 96watt 10,000K bulb (well it looks like
two tubes joined at the connectors...told ya I am a newbie!? lol)
<<power compact lighting then>>
and the same with a 96watt Actinic. Then there is the same "set up" with a 21"
unit holding the same bulbs but at 65watt.
<<oook>>
The two lighting units sit side by side on top of the tank. I'm "assuming" that
this is not going to be enough light even for some mushrooms and polyps??
<<Shrooms and some polyps can do ok in low lit aquariums. However, in your tank,
due to the type of lighting and the height of the tank, I would situate these
pretty much high up in the tank for them to do "ok">>
I know it's low light but was hoping to be able to still have a few easy to care
for hardy soft corals. A guy at That Fish Place sold us this lighting set up
after seeing photos of what we had to work with. I change the bulbs every 6
months......
<<Sounds fine>>
the color of the LR and the fish are great and of course the moonlights are
awesome. Everything is set on a timer......and at night the light on my refugium
comes on. Any thoughts or suggestions would really be appreciated! Oh, and the
fish are a pair of percula clowns.......coral beauty, royal Gramma, and lunare
wrasse....all added in that order after each had 3 weeks in QT. Almost 2 yrs
later I just lost my royal Gramma....now the terribly tough decision of what
fish would be safe to add with my now established (though very well behaved)
lunare wrasse. The wrasse has never had any scuffles with it's tankmates and it
seems to be buddies with the angel (which I thought was odd). Soooooooo if
anyone cared to give some thoughts on a fish (or 2) who would not be terribly
intimidated by the wrasse or one that would not terrorize the angel and the
clowns that would be a great help as well!!!! Ok, maybe I'm pushing it asking 2
totally opposite questions here but hey, worth a try!? :o)
http://pets.webshots.com/album/562537516gxIoMM
Lisa
<<Fish stocking wise, you do have some good options. There are blennies,
gobies,
chromis to name a few. As a side note, I thought you tank looked familiar. The
archway and the wrasse photo in your album gave it away. Seen your tank on
AquariaCentral.com, I'm Reefscape on there, a moderator. Its a pleasure to see
your system again. Hope the above helps. A Nixon>>
Re: Lighting for shrooms and
polyps 02/19/2008
Thanks for getting back to quickly!? :o)
<<Hi Lisa, no problem at all>>
Yes, I have had this tank (bought it with our house 4+ years ago) for a while
and did everything WRONG the first go around. I used our well water....had some
jerk from the LFS who charged me an arm and a leg to come in and clean the tank
and stocked me with all the wrong (large) fish. Of course, everything started to
slowly die....I became frustrated, upset over the loss of life, and wised up to
begin my own education. Now, 2 yrs later, I have a different approach and have
been very happy (so are the fish!). I decided to display my LR a little
different than most....I wanted open "holes" and caves and plenty of places for
hiding and "zooming"!? lol? And all the fish...including the clowns to
swim in
and out of all the opening.....so fun to watch. And the archway is great for the
wrasse who is growing like a weed.....that tail alone has grown so much since I
bought him/her.
<<The wrasse does look in great condition>>
On the fish note....I considered a small school of blue/green chromis but wanted
to find something with a different color as I see enough blue/green flashing
around with the wrasse!? lol?? But, if they're going to be more of the open
water fish that will be ok with the wrasse....might be my only choice? I just
can't give up the wrasse (as many folks have suggested) ....I love the fish, so
beautiful and this one is not obnoxious at all (well not yet anyway..lol). All
the fish eat well (actually maybe a little too chunky) so I think that has
something to do with everyone getting along well for now. I'll more than likely
go with a goby.....or blenny to help with surface cleaning the sandbed. But,
I'll have to research them more before making a decision.
<<You do have a few choices for additional fish, however, research is the key,
which you know all about>>
And with lighting and soft corals......it might look odd having a few patches of
mushrooms or polyp colonies higher up on some rocks and nothing below....so
maybe I'll just stick to the FO and someday set up a smaller tank and try some
corals.
Thank you again for getting back to me and helping out! Much appreciated!! Lisa
<<Good luck with the system and good day. A Nixon>>
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Is My Normal Output
Fluorescent Lighting Suitable for Anemone and Corals? (The Short Answer Is…No) –
02/12/08
Hello,
<<Hiya, Joan!>>
I read and then reread your article on lighting.
<<And?...>>
I have used Vita-Lites for many many years and thought they would be fine for my
introduction of inverts, an anemone to start with, and maybe a coral or two.
<<Mmm, you will need to be more specific than “a coral or two”…and some
specifics about your tank would be a big help too...oh, and do read up on our
site re anemone systems/mixing with sessile inverts (not recommended). As for
the Vita-Lites…these are a great “daylight” spectrum fluorescent bulb, but being
a NO (Normal Output) bulb you need a fair number of them over the tank, with
actual “numbers” depending on the light-requirements of the organisms you plan
to keep. And while it is possible to keep some coral species under NO
fluorescent lighting (I did so back in the late-eighties and early-nineties), I
don’t recommend this for keeping Anemones>>
The Fish Store says No, I need MORE.
<<Without more information/detail re your system and its proposed inhabitants, I
must agree…and I certainly do where the Anemone is concerned>>
I.e. 10K etc and recommend the Coralife compacts.
<<You don’t “need” 10K bulbs; these are usually suggested because they provide a
“balance” between what is suitable for/useable to the photosynthetic organisms
and what is pleasing to the human eye. In fact, if you like or prefer a lower
Kelvin temperature (e.g. – 5500K – 6500K), these will generally provide a better
output/PAR rating watt-for-watt than the higher Kelvin temperature bulbs. A mix
of 10K and 6.5K bulbs provides far more intensity, as well as light in the more
“useful” wavelengths, than a mix of 10K and Actinic bulbs>>
I am sure they are great, but do I really need that much light?
<<The answer here likely is, yes…I am doubtful your NO fluorescent bulbs will
support an anemone>>
Especially when a retrofit is $200+ on sale.
<<Unfortunately, the price of lighting suitable for keeping many/most of the
reef-associated photosynthetic organisms often proves to be as much as one-third
the cost of the entire reef system. If you do decide to upgrade, I would like to
recommend T5 fluorescent lighting over the PC fluorescent lighting. Not that the
PCs can’t work, but the T5 is better technology in my opinion, and has greater
bulb selection/allows more flexibility over the PCs. The smaller size of the T5s
will also allow more bulbs to be fitted/placed over any given tank size>>
Please drop me a short note with your ideas.
<<You have my thoughts…do write me back if you wish to discuss further>>
Joan in Seattle
<<Regards, EricR in Columbia>>
Bigger Marine Tank Coming...Which Lighting
Choice? – 07/25/07
Hi guys,
<<Daniel>>
I have got 30-gal reef tank for about 9 months. My lovely wife is gonna buy me
90-gal (48*18*24h) next month for my 30 birthday
<<Sweet>>
(aren't the Polish women great?)
<<Indeed, so it would seem>>
And finally my question is:
What kind of light should we purchase?
<<Mmm, much to consider here...have you read through our lighting articles/FAQs?
Here’s a good place to start, and do continue to follow/read among the links in
blue: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marlgtganthony.htm >>
I have two options:
-8x54w T5
-2x150HQI+ 4x54w T5 (actinic)
I am gonna keep there some SPS (just a few like 5-6) and rest are gonna be LPS.
Remember that tank is high (24 inches), SPS are gonna be just under the water
surface,
<<Be sure to allow room for growth>>
are T5 gonna be ok, or I need definitely buy MH?
Regards'
Daniel P
<<I think it very likely the T5s will do just fine. But before you make “any”
purchases, do be sure to read where I have directed you...and do
identify/research the organisms you plan to keep. EricR>>
Coral Lighting 4/13/07
Hello,
<Hello, whoever you are.>
I was looking to upgrade my lighting so I can add some corals to my 36 gallon
tank. It has 45 pounds of live rock and a Clown Goby and Flame Angelfish. It has
been a FOWLR, set up for a little less than 4 months. I wasn't sure what type
of lighting to get, and how many watts, so I need to decide what corals I would
like to keep first. These are some corals I have looked at.
Orange Sun Coral - They say it's hard to keep, but you need to feed them 4 times
a week directly to the coral, and they require strong current and low
lighting.
<Yes, a hassle to keep.>
I have a strong SEIO 620 powerhead.
I was also looking to add Montiporas, Brain Coral, and some soft corals, along
with a Ricordea Mushroom. Suggestions for corals would be nice to work under
one lighting. Don't want something real strong, but maybe about 3-5 watts per
gallon would be good.
<A 150 watt HQI would work well here for corals you have mentioned. If
aesthetics or wife are not a problem, the Coralife Clip On fixture would work
well and sells for around $230.00 at most etailers. I got mine from Drs Foster
& Smith.
James (Salty Dog)>
MH Tweaking 3/31/07
Hello there,
<Hi from HI>
I bother your crew way to
<too>
much so I will be short and to the point.
<Sort of like me!>
125G display, all SPS, predominately Acros. Previously ran 3X400W radium 20Ks
but my corals became very pale some bleached at the tops on an 8 hour photo
period 14" from the surface.
<Yikes... ever try placing your face this close to these lights?>
I downgraded to 3X250W 20K Radiums, they run 9 hours @ 10" from the surface, and
while the undersides and deeper Acros show more color, the higher placed corals
are still very pale.
<Mmm... have you heard of the term "photo-acclimation"?>
I don't have a single coral in my tank I would consider "stunning" they were
all "stunning" when I bought them, however they quickly grow very pale.
<Can/could be a few "things" at play here...>
I have tried adjusting the height however it takes so long to notice any change
I feel fairly lost.
<The lighting needs to "start" higher, screened, electronically dimmed... the
animals lower... however less-intense initially... graded to brighter over a few
weeks time...>
My question is having ruled out all other factors like chemistry/flow/etc. and
being fairly confident my problem is related to Photo period/distance from
water, what suggestions would you give me as a place to start and how long would
you give it to notice positive change?
<Mmm, please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
and the linked files above>
Is there something else I am missing in regards to this pale plague?
<Mmm, could be... as stated, there are other possibilities... and you've
presented no real data re actual measures, set-up, maintenance... Not a mind
reader... but do have very strong intuition at times>
Color aside the Milli's grow .5-.75"/month, the Montis grow like weeds, even the
very thick branched Acros are growing at a very pleasing rate, they just look
like crap.
<Can you define this? Or send a pic? Not of the fecal material... Heeeee!>
All frags show low/medium daytime extension and crazy full bloom moonlight
extension.
<Okay>
Any guidelines or pointers would be great. The only other piece of info
that's relevant is that I did start the new 250s at about 20" and brought them
down 1" per week until they hit 10-11"
<Oh! Well that's an equine of a different hue altogether... Perhaps there is
some sort of allelopathy at play here... Again, you don't present a stocking
list...>
I don't know WWM crew, getting pretty frustrated. Thanks for your time,
Jeff
<Guess so. BobF>
Re: MH Tweaking, pale scleractinians... 4/1/07
SG: 1.026
PH 8.3ish
dKH 10ish
CA 400ish
<Mmm... what is your Magnesium? Easy for this to get out of balance with Kalk
use, some types of melted media in Calcium reactors>
20G water changes every Sunday
I only keep a couple of fish (pair of black percs, pair of F. Pseudo's, Six
Line. I have a peppermint shrimp, 2Xskunk cleaners, and a pistol.
Flow is achieved with a Oceans Motions 4 way on a 4800GPH External Pump.
I under skim slightly, using a 240G rated skimmer on about 300ish gallons
I run a CA reactor and drip Kalk. CA reactor maintains about 10.2 dKH Kalk
is only about 5G per week. but holds the PH and CA steady.
I have undetectable Nitrate/trite/PO4
All water is with RO/DI with a TDS of 0
The 300g system is split 125G display, 80G sump, 75G fuge, and a little 25g
AquaPod for a Mantis species only.
<All this sounds/reads very well/as good...>
All in all I feel like I have built a good system and I have good husbandry, I
just have pale corals. I don't use any additives at all except about 1.5ml of
P. Iodide daily
<Mmm, I would add this only once a week... during water changes... This alone
could be "the" problem here... I would not add Iodine/ide/ate more often than
this unless you had good tests for, and a real need...>
or at least when I remember to. I feed the corals reef chili about 2 or 3 times
per week. I have a wide variety of Acro species (maybe 12 different) plus
Pocillopora, Pavona, Montipora, all of which are pale in color. Bleachish tips,
pale branches.
<Mmmm...>
I hope this provides the extra info you were looking for, thanks again for
your time.
<And lastly... am sure your water temperature is rather stable... Thank you for
this further information, follow-up. I would expand your feeding menu here...
including the addition of vitamins, HUFAs (like with the use of a product like
Selcon). Bob Fenner>
Re: Coral lighting vs. water flow 1/4/07
The plate has been on sand since we first received it.
<Ah, very good. Read like it was placed in the rocks, I apologize for this
misunderstanding.>
Our goby seems drawn to burying the plate in the night, so the plate coral has
been moved twice which I would guess creates stress on it.
<Yes, sand sifting gobies are certainly good at this activity *grin*>
Still, some readings indicated that hard corals do fine under tumultuous water
conditions (which the goby is good at replicating!)
<I think this largely depends on the species>
Our lighting is a 150 watt metal halide spotlight with 2- 30 watt florescent
lights across the 6 ft. long 125 gal. tank. Since we moved the brain coral to a
higher water movement area it looks a bit better even though it is farther out
of the range of the spotlight.
<Good. These corals are not the highest in light demand.>
The soft corals seems to thrive directly under the spotlight and particularly
where water flow is strongest.
<Sounds like they're happy as is>
We are not looking to have a tank so bright and as tumultuous as we see at
LFS's, but we do need to know what we need to provide what our corals and fish
need in order to thrive.
<It sounds like you've got a good handle on things, Gloria. Just keep with your
current husbandry, and I feel everything will establish comfortably in time.>
Thanks, again, Justin for your time. We really do take your advice very
seriously.
Gloria
<Thank you for the kind words, Gloria. The pride in feeling you've helped your
fellow hobbyists is certainly reward enough. -JustinN>
Coral Lighting 8/21/06
Hi gang, great site it’s been a source of information for me for many years.
<Glad you enjoy/learn.>
I am in the process of planning out a new 125 gallon SPS reef. I’ve had a 55
gallon Zoa tank set up for the last 2 years and I’ve been very successful
with it and now I’d like to upgrade to something a little more challenging.
That being said, I have a few questions on lighting.
I had initially planned to go with 3 250watt MH HQI (10000k) and also use 220
watts of VHO 20000k for some additional color. However, I was told that
I’d need to go with 3 400watt MH HQI for Acro frags.
<Who told you that, Edison?>
I question this; it seems like an ungodly amount of light for a tank of this
depth and I worry it would overwhelm even the most demanding corals and I wanted
to get your
thoughts on it.
<Three 175 MH's should work fine providing they are not pendant lights.>
Second, I plan to use my old 55 as a fuge with a remote DSB and would like to
place some of my more colorful Zoa colonies in the SPS tank (probably more
towards the bottom) for additional color. I run activated charcoal regularly to
help maintain water clarity and I skim aggressively, with that said, do you see
an issue with the Zoa's in a SPS tank?
<I'd filter with Chemi-Pure in this regard. You will have some chemical
aggression taking place here and we want to minimize the chemical content in the
water. If you are going to mix corals, stay away from the potent types like
Galaxy, Elegance, etc. Do search our site and others for Allelopathy/Chemical
Aggression.>
Thanks,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
John
Candy Cane Coral...Turn Off Your Brights - 05/19/2006
Hello WWMC !!
<Hello Esteban>
Always a pleasure to have someone to send an e-mail too that will guarantee a
great response!
<Thank you.>
I have had a nice colony of about 15 1 inch pink Caulastrea (trumpet coral)
<Caulastrea curvata> about halfway vertical up my 125 gallon and half way
horizontal in the tank. I was using two 175 watt MH's on for 10 hours and two 6
foot blue HQI actinic bulbs on for 12 hours (1 hour on before the MH turn on and
1 hour after the MH shut off) for about 3 months. The colony would come out
beautifully - which after my reading I am guessing was because it was reaching
out for more light. Well, I switched the MH's to two 250 MH's running for 10
hours, and the same 6 foot bulbs running for 12 hours. That was last
month. About two weeks ago, I noticed that the heads of the coral were not as
expanded as before. They will come totally out for an hour or so in the middle
of the 10 hours, then close back up. Their tentacles still come out when I am
feeding the tank. I'm worried that something might be wrong? The water levels
are still consistent with No ammonia, Nitrite, PH 8.5, nitrates around 40, calc
440, 1.025 SG. I have not changed my usual dosing of iodide, C-balance, Reef
Calc, Reef Plus, Reef Complete or Magnesium. Should I consider moving the coral
lower in the tank? Is it getting too much light?
<I think they are going through a light adjusting period with the more intense
lighting. These corals only require moderate light and they generally do not
open their feeding tentacles until the lights go out. My Candy Cane <furcata>
has never opened during the daylight photoperiod. You may want to try putting
them in the lower level of the tank to encourage opening.>
Thanks mucho!
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
LPS Lighting (One More Time!) - 05/18/06
Dear Eric R.
<<Hello Diane>>
It's been a long time since I've written in and the first time to you.
<<Welcome back>>
I have been trying to follow Bob's advice; read, read, read some more, then make
up your own darn mind. (To paraphrase).
<<Indeed>>
Well, I got the first part down. However, just when I thought I had this
lighting figured out I went to a different LFS and POOF! here we go again.
<<Ha!...nature of the beast/hobby...opinions abound!>>
If you would be so kind to go over what I have and help me straighten this out.
<<Would be glad to provide my input>>
We have a 125 gal. acrylic tank 72" X 18" X 20" with a 6" DSB. Lights hang 11
to 12" above the water line and can be raised or lowered as needed.
<<Ok>>
The lights are two 36" Power Compacts, the left-one is SunPaq
10,000K/460-Actinic and the right-one is SunPaq Dual-Daylight
6,700/10,000K. The halides are 3 X 175 watts. Left is 6500K, middle is 20,000K
and right is 14,000K.
<<Mmm, why the variation across the length of the tank? Are you attempting to
create differing "zones/niches"?>>
The yellow of the daylight halide is tempered by the blue of the actinic and the
blue of the 14K Halide is tempered by the yellow of the daylight PCs (the 20K is
because I have read so many raves and Anthony's book BOCP says for LPS you can
go bluer.)
<<Ok>>
Well yesterday we went to a different LFS and they had the MOST beautiful
corals! We purchased several and during the selection and bagging process I
questioned the manager as to his procedures for maintenance and lighting. He
told me that 15K are THE best and that my 6500K should only be used for high
light SPS.
<<Too "general" a statement...I disagree>>
Now Drs. Foster and Smith will let me return bulbs for replacement but am I that
far off with my lights?
<<I don't know, what are you keeping/trying to accomplish with this lighting?>>
There can't be that much difference between 14K and 15K!
<<Or even 20K...agreed>>
However, I am not sure about the 6500K and the 20K.
<<A marked difference in spectral output...but the 6500K still contains enough
"blue light" for most all corals>>
We have: (all bought yesterday),1 6" green Bubble (Plerogyra sinuosa), 1 6"
Favites (?) shared corallite walls.
<<Favites, yes...a shared wall between the calyces>>
They are both under the 65K with the Favites on the sand and the Bubble three
inches higher, on a rock.
<<It may be fine, but keep an eye on the Bubble coral. Plerogyra are not high
light requiring corals, if the "bubbles" looks to be turning brown or stop
expanding, do move it lower/to a more subdued lighting location>>
One 4" green Long Tentacle Plate/Disc (Fungia scutaria) on the sand under the
20K with the most gorgeous green Fox (Nemenzophyllia turbida) also under the 20K
but under a ledge. To the right of them are 2 separate pieces of Branching
Hammer (Euphyllia parancora) consisting of 8 and 9 heads respectively (after
adaptation, thought of moving apart under different lights to experiment?).
<<Sure>>
They are also placed just three inches above the sand bed, however the highest
two heads are 6" below the water line and they are centered between the 20K and
the 14K. Now, under the 14K is my baby, an Open Brain coral (Trachyphyllia
geoffroyi) whom I’ve had 2 years now. She is not the vivid color when I
purchased her (bright green and deep maroon) but I would swear in the last few
days her red is coming back!
<<Maybe had "too much" light before hand. It's not a hard and fast rule by any
means, but many LPS with "red" pigments require/demand lower light levels than
those with "green" pigments>>
The new bulbs are either more to her liking or else the color was always there
and I just couldn't see it under the old 5500Ks.
<<A bit of both>>
After all that I guess my questions are, is the 6500K that bad?
<<Nope...especially considering the wattage/distance you have the bulbs above
the tank. That's not to say I think it's the best bulb for your particular
selection of livestock. Speaking for me...for an LPS dominant tank I would go
with a higher Kelvin rating...10000K is a good "all around" spectrum...but in
this instance I would be tempted to go with a quality 14000K or 20000K bulb for
each fixture. Much depends on your own sense of aesthetics and what your trying
replicate in your system>>
(I have a 10K that I can replace it with but it is WHITE!) Am not interested in
SPS (never say never).
<< <grin> >>
Is the 20K a good bulb for LPS?
<<With enough intensity, yes. If you go with 20000K I recommend you move the
lights to within 6-8 inches of the water's surface>>
The blue look is nice and the corals are beautiful under them but I want what is
best for the animals (short of leaving them in the oceans of course).
<<...of course>>
These are the only corals I want with the possible addition of a nice Hammer (E.
ancora) and maybe, sometime down the road a ways, I would love to have an
Elegance (Catalaphyllia jardinei).
<<Do please read up/research the Catalaphyllia well (you can begin here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/elegance.htm). This is not an easy coral to keep,
and is best tried in a specie specific system designed to/for its care>>
Thank you so much for your time and patience. All of you are appreciated and I
hope one day you will all know how much!
<<Thank you for the kind words...we're happy to assist>>
Wishing you the best of life, Diane.
<<And to you in kind, Eric Russell>>
P.S. the LFS is ATM in Las Vegas, Nevada the one on the corner of Patrick and
Sandhill in the Southeast part of the valley. Beautiful corals and good prices.
<<Hmm, will have to make a point to stop in next time I'm in Vegas. EricR>>
LPS Lighting (One More Time!) II - 05/20/06
Polyp Bailout in Branching Hammer
Dear Eric, Thank you so much for answering so quickly. You guys (yes, and gals)
are great!
<<You're welcome...and thank you>>
But it seems quick as you were problems arise quicker!
<<Uh oh>>
The Branching Hammer has just been dissolving continuously since adding them to
the tank. I have been reading for two days now and since 2 a.m. this
morning, But other than photo shock (?) which I didn't think happened that
quickly, I am at a loss. I have also siphoned off two more gooey brown heads of
the Hammer.
<<Mmm, photo shock "can" have a rapid effect, especially if the coral was
already stressed...but from the "gooey brown" description, I'm inclined to
suspect a bacterial/protozoa infection. Though admittedly pure speculation, but
have you read through our coral disease FAQs?>>
I separated the two pieces, leaving the best (?) of the two in its original
location and moving the other to the far left end where I have removed the 6500K
halide (to be replaced by another 14K Thank You <<welcome>>). I also dipped
this piece in an iodine mix of one quart aquarium water and ten drops Lugol's
for ten minutes. It only has two heads, out of nine, that look even halfway
viable so I figured we had nothing to lose. The other piece has two heads that
look great and two that look iffy.
<<I would dip "both" pieces in the iodine solution: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/iodfaqs.htm
>>
We bought these corals on the 17th of May and this is the first day the Green
Bubble has inflated but it is no longer the fluorescent green it was in the
store, but rather a much paler green.
<<Hmmm, would have thought the bubble coral to inflate before now...possibly
telling (something in your water parameters?). The color is "possibly" a
function of the lighting...maybe the LFS had more "actinic" over the coral in
the store>>
The Long Tentacled Plate is starting to show himself and the Fox looks to be
doing O.K. Only the E. parancora crashed (but I know it's still real early in
the game). At the LFS the corals were in maybe six inches of water
approximately 18 inches under 175 watt 14 and 20K (3). The salinity was 1.025
but I forgot to ask about pH. Anyhow I drip acclimated them over four plus
hours and swore I would not move them around for at least 2 weeks if at
all. But I'll probably move the Bubble lower when the new bulb gets here.
<<Okay>>
Right now it is about 16 inches to the left of 20K, 5 inches below the water
surface and 15 inches under the 10K/actinic P.C. My water parameters are temp.
80 ; salinity 1.025; my pH was 8.3 at 6:30 last night and 8.0 at 7 this morning.
<<Is fine>>
I had added 1 tsp. Seachem Reef builder directly to the tank in an effort to get
my alk. up from 2.5. Added it last night and this morning my alk is 3. Amm. is
0, nitrites are 0, but my nitrates are 10.
<<Mmm...possibly a result of the decomposing Euphylliid...or an indication
something else is amiss>>
I have a 6 inch DSB and never had a problem with nitrate. I use a
Turboflotor-Multi HOB skimmer and (temporarily) an Aquaclear 110 with 2 new bags
Chemi-pure and one Polyfilter.
<<Both good stuff>>
My iodine kit showed no iodine even after a couple of small water changes
(approx. 20%) over 2 days so I added 4 drops Lugol’s, still nothing on the test
so I added 3 more drops, still nothing this morning.
<<Hmmm...>>
I use I.O. salt and the new water tests at .05 iodine, (perhaps the chemical
filtration).
<<Ah...yes>>
Water movement is with 3 Aquaclear 70s
<<...? Aquaclear 70 power filters? How often do you clean these...should be
done "at least" weekly>>
and 1 Seio 820.
<<Some additional "vigorous" water movement would likely do this tank some good
as well>>
I don't know what else to do except maybe another small water change today to
get the nitrates back to zero.
<<I recommend a 30-40 percent water change>>
I did not think my set-up was that different from the LFS where all the corals
looked fantastic! Do you have any suggestions.
<<Mmm, yes...dip both Euphylliids again (remove any diseased/dying heads
first), perform a 40% water change, and keep monitoring water quality/performing
water changes as needed>>
The sad thing is I truly love the Euphylliid family and could easily picture a
tank of just them.
<<Would be beautiful I'm sure. Don't give up...get over this hurdle, learn from
the experience, and pursue your dream tank>>
One more thing. Do they dye corals?
<<Some...mainly "soft" coral species...a terrible practice>>
The Bubble was a very vivid neon green and the Fox is bright, almost fluorescent
green. (But the Hammer is/was a more normal brown and green).
<<Is rather unlikely these were/are dyed corals...have not heard of this being
attempted with stony/LPS corals. Regards, Eric Russell>> <Unfortunately... I
have. RMF>
Frogspawn & other various corals ... health, sys. - 03/26/2006
Hi I am currently having a small problem with my frogspawn and my maze brain
coral. My setup is an 80 gallon peaceful reef with metal halides (double ended)
actinics and moon LEDs. Last week I installed the LEDS and I also left the glass
off of the tank on the right side. The brain has since had a mucus coating and
does not open up very much. I blew off the mucus the first day and thought that
I had "burned" the coral.
<Reads like this>
The frogspawn has about 6-7 different colonies I guess you could say. They have
been opening up huge until I left the glass off but they are not directly under
the light. Now only 2-3 open up and maybe only get about halfway to what they
were doing. All of my water parameters are the same and I add a full regiment of
Kent additives. I also have a leather that is on the opp. side of the tank and
it looks waxy and no polyps are coming out like they used to. My LFS said that
they do this to expel waste and algae, etc.
<This is so... you want to remove this waxy material once it is shed>
every once in awhile. I guess that my main question is how can I help my
frogspawn and brain back to good health. I am very appreciative of your website
and all of the help that it provides.
Thanks,
Dustin
<Please read here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/acclimcoralslight.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Lighting/Corals 3/22/06
Hi, <Hello Zach.> I'm in the process of setting up a new reef tank. I have
run a poorly planned but successful reef tank for about half a year now, so
knowing what I know now I am definitely interested in planning the system before
I start. The primary purpose of the new tank is going to be coral propagation
(mostly soft/polyp to begin with, then if all goes well sps). I already have
the tank, its a 40 breeder so it is not very deep. I am wondering about what to
get for lighting. I think I would prefer a setup with at least 1x150W metal
halide. I was wondering what the limit for lighting on a shallow tank like this
would be for soft and Zoa corals? The tank is only 16" deep so I was wondering
about the possibility for too much light. I am considering systems up to 2x250
10k MH + 2x39 t5 actinics. I am interested in if this much light would be too
much, and if not, is there any advantage (other than being ready for more light
loving corals) to having this much light in terms of soft/Zoa growth. <Zach,
would be very difficult to out-do Mother Nature's lighting. No worries about
too much light. I would suggest a fixture with two 150 watt HQI lamps, 10-14K.
You will then be ready when you decide to do SPS corals. Do take a look
at the HQI clamp-on fixture (HQI) available from www.drsfostersmith.com.>
Thanks in advance. <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
-Zach
SPS lighting 1/30/06
Crew- <Craig>
Quick question:
I am planning on putting some SPS about halfway up the rockwork in a 300
gallon tank (31" high). I am also planning on trying different lighting
schemes throughout the tank. I would like to leave some recessed lighting on
the ends so that private entreats exist for more reclusive fish to feel
comfortable. Since I do not want the whole thing lit up like the midday
sun, I am only planning on putting 400 watts of 20K metal halide on the middle
third of the tank (a length of about 32"). If the SPS are put directly below
the fixture 1-2ft deep, would this amount of light likely suffice? Let me know
if this is ill-advised. <Sound be a pleasing effect, no worries my friend,
sounds good.>
Thanks as always, <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Craig
Lighting A 29g For LPS/SPS - 01/21/06
Hello....
<<Howdy>>
Thank you for all the advise and help. Don't know what I would do without your
help.
<<You're welcome>>
Now to my question.
<<Alrighty>>
I have a 29g Tru-Vu that measures 30x12x18. I currently have LPS coral with no
problems. I am running 2 65w PC's, but love SPS corals because of there
beautiful colors and reef landscapes (don't we all).
<<Mmm...>>
What I want to know is, is there any SPS coral that thrive with PC lighting or
upgrading to MH the only way to go?
<<Many SPS would do fine in the upper third of your tank with your current
lighting.>>
Would I need to add more PC bulbs
<<A third 65w PC could prove beneficial.>>
or is MH recommended as the best option?
<<Metal halide gives you more "bang for the buck," but understand that mixing
animals with differing lighting requirements (LPS vs. SPS) has its own
challenges. If all is going well now you might just want to try adding some
frags in the top third of the water column and keep an eye out to see how they
do.>>
What size of MH bulb would you recommend for my size tank in wattage? I've
heard of 175w and 250w. Would you recommend 1 or 2 MH bulbs if they are
needed?...
<<If you decide to go this route a single 150w DE 10000K pendant will work fine
for your tank.>>
I would really like to keep my PC's lighting because I don't have to worry about
my water temp rising with them and it is a lot cheaper to add more PC's than
buying a new MH lighting system and canopy.
<<Then that is what you should do.>>
If I do need MH how high should they be above my tank?
<<8" - 12">>
I tried to find the answers in your website but was unable to
find the same question and answers for my same size tank.
Thank you for all your help and advise once again!
Julio
<<Regards, EricR>> | |
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