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Many fishes are far better off in "reef" settings.

FOWLR stocking order- Stocking Compromises 5/7/08
Thank you in advance for your help.
<We're happy to be of service. Scott F. in tonight!>
Your site has been invaluable for me in setting up my tank. I have just set up a 180 gal FOWLR tank with 200lbs LR, Euro Reef RS180 skimmer, 2 X Tuneze 6060 Stream pumps. I would appreciate your opinion about selection and stocking order of the following: Flame Hawkfish, Yellow Tang, Auriga BF, Longnose BF, Hippo Tang and Passer Angel.
<Well, first of all, although you have chosen an interesting array of fish, I'd be hesitant to stock your aquarium with all of them. I'd make some compromises here. In particular, I would only go with one of the Tangs, and one of the Butterflies. I'd recommend the Yellow Tang and the Longnose Butterfly. The Hippo simply gets huge, and really requires an even larger aquarium than the one you have to live a long and healthy life. I'd also pass on he full size Passer Angelfish. It's another fish that gets very large and requires an equally large aquarium. Really, to accommodate the entire collection that you contemplate, it will require an aquarium of hundreds of gallons, and at least 8 feet in length. If you really want to have an Angelfish, I'd definitely select a Centropyge (dwarf) Angelfish, which will have a smaller need for physical space than the Passer. In stocking, it's all about compromises, so please keep this in mind and you'll be successful with your aquarium! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>

Compatible fish? FOWLR 05/02/2008
Hi WWM crew
<<Hello, Andrew today>>
I'm going to setup a 50 gallon saltwater FOWLR tank with separate trickle filter sump, protein skimmer and T5 lighting. The fish I want to keep in it are:
1.Coral Beauty
2.Long Nosed Butterfly fish
3. Royal Gramma
Would these fish all be able to live happily in the tank?
Would any other fish be able to live in it as well
<<All the above fish would be fine in that aquarium. Any further purchases should be peaceful inhabitants like Goby, clown or blenny>>
Thanks a lot, Dean
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>

Re: I Need A Quiet External Pump For My New 120g FOWLR System (Livestock Plan) – 04/29/08
Thank you so much Eric for all your help.
<<Is my pleasure>>
I feel so much better about my pump concerns and plan to go with the Eheim.
<<An excellent choice>>
I also feel better about my LFS because of your comments.
<<Ah, good>>
I understand what pressures they're dealing with to keep alive,
<<Indeed…>>
but I don't want to be stuck with buying inferior equipment either,
<< Sadly, cheap and inferior seems easier (too easy?) to sell. I know it’s easy for me to say, but…even though more expensive, beginning hobbyists might be more successful; and save a little money in the long run due to replacement, if offered and urged to by quality functioning gear from the start. One should at least have options/choices available if they’ve done their homework and wish to be more discerning in their selections>>
so I'll continue to support them as much as I can because I don't want to buy my livestock via mail order.
<<The dollar savings from buying off the NET are very small usually, once you factor in shipping (less than $10 difference in my dealings and with “my” LFS), while the advantages of buying your livestock through an LFS you trust can be many>>
So I'll do my best to keep them in business!
<<Very good>>
Speaking of livestock, you helped me solve my equipment problem, but what I thought was a good livestock plan sounds not so great by your comments.
<<Yes…in fact I “strongly disagree” with some aspects your plan as originally presented>>
I seriously was taking the list from Michael Paletta's book, "The New Marine Aquarium".
<<And much fine information to be found there…but we have a difference of opinions re stocking selection/densities>>
It was the list for the 75 gal tank (I believe),
<<Making it even more disagreeable to me>>
so thought if that was good, then a 120 should be "under stocked".
<<Not with a “pair” of Paracanthurus hepatus>>
My two fish that I currently have in my 20 gal is the Tomato clown and the Green Mandarin (which I'm keeping fat and happy with frozen Cyclops, live and frozen brine shrimp and now I'm culturing copepods until my new refugium is up and running) - sorry - she was an impulse buy - my fault for not researching
<<Yes…[grin]>>
and another LFS which I no longer frequent said was easy to care for and fine for a 20gal
<<An all too common tale>>
- but I take personal responsibility and am working hard to keep her happy.
<<Very well>>
So I do need to build my list around them, and knowing that the Tomato's reputation is that they don't always play nice in the sandbox,
<<Pretty much true for all the Clownfishes. And ironically… In more than three decades in the hobby (and including a brief stint working the retail side), clownfish species are the only fish to have ever “drawn blood” from me while working in the tank>>
I'm hoping to come up with a good livestock list to go with him. I would like to keep the list as reef safe as possible in case I want to add "easy" corals at a later date.
<<I see>>
I love to watch them flow with the water movement - it's mesmerizing and relaxing. Is there a good suggested list to begin with knowing my starting point?
<<Many choices… But what do “you” like? Best to start with a list of desired fishes and then research them individually for compatibility and suitability to your system>>
I've read for many hours on all the different types of fish and invertebrates (Bob and Anthony's Reef Invertebrates is a great book).
<<Agreed>>
I thought I had a good handle on the list until now. The recommended list was: 2 Yellow Tail Blue Hippo Tangs; which you said was too many for that tank and one was even pushing it.
<<I did, yes>>
I found from reading that these didn't grow as large
<<Mmm…where did you read this I wonder?>>
as the yellow and purple's and the powder blue, so thought that was why he was recommending them and that they got along better as a pair compared to other tangs.
<<I don’t recommend a pair of “any” Tang/Surgeonfish from the same species for your tank…and most certainly not Paracanthurus hepatus. This fish grows LARGER and more robust than the two Zebrasoma and one Acanthurus species you mention (to 12” in the wild>>. And in my opinion/experience, is one of the more high-strung and easily damaged (socially/psychologically) tang species…suffering terribly from just being “raised up” in a “too small” system>>
So you're vote is no for a 120g.
<<Yes…better choices available>>
Any similar type fish that you would recommend - I'm for long term survival - I cry when any fish die - that's just me.
<<Though I stated I don’t recommend a pair from the same species (or genera, for that matter) for your tank…I do think you could get away with two from “differing” genera, with some though to selection and introduction. The Yellow or Purple Tang would be a fine Zebrasoma choice for the 120…and among Acanthurus species I think A. japonicus (White-Faced or Gold-Rimmed Tang) or A. pyroferus (Chocolate or Mimic Tang) are good choices…you could also choose one of the smaller Ctenochaetus species if you wish like C. strigosus (Kole Tang)>>
7 Blue Green Chromis; these are ok?
<<These are considered a more “docile” Damsel species, and are always a popular choice for a “schooling” fish…but with the exception of very large tanks (several hundred gallons and more), I don’t really recall any instances where the subordinate individuals didn’t all just “disappear” until only one or two specimens were left. As such, it is hard for me to recommend these. If you decide to give them a go, I do recommend no more than five for your tank>>
I like to watch the schooling – if not any other suggestions?
<<Either Sphaeramia nematoptera (PJ or Pajama Cardinal) or Apogon leptacanthus (Threadfin or Longspine Cardinal) would be more successful re…in my opinion. And again…no more than five either species>>
1 Coral Beauty Angelfish; You said these are difficult to keep
<<Many come in “damaged” from collection/shipping>>
- so odd that he recommends for a beginner
<<Differences of opinion…though they can be very hardy/long-lived if a “healthy” specimen can be obtained and acclimates well>>
- what about other angelfish?
<<Ah well, my personal fave Centropyge species is C. loricula (Flame Angel). These are gorgeous fish that do well in captive settings…and the best choice here I think>>
1 Longnose Hawkfish, 3 Banggai Cardinal fish, you said these would likely end up as a pair.
<<Yes>>
Why? Because one would be killed off??
<<Indirectly…through stress, yes>>
Then I only want to start with two...so these are better as pairs or more than 3?
<<Results are much like those of the Chromis... And just purchasing a “pair” can be difficult as differences between sexes are not readily apparent (the male has a more angular head and a longer second dorsal fin)>>
I want to add the Long-Spine Urchin because of the relationship they have with the cardinals
<<Mmm…more as juveniles than adults>>
- similar to the clown and the anemone but urchins are hopefully hardier than the anemones.
<<Diadema sp Urchins can get quite large…and in my experience can be destructive in a reef system...but the choice is yours>>
Any other suggestions? The more I read, the more I get nervous that I may mix Pacific fish with Atlantic and so on and really do want what's best for the fish.
<<Do look up your choices/selections on fishbase.org. This site is very useful for determining locale/origin… and for determining adult “size” of the fishes you are thinking of keeping>>
Any suggestions for other invertebrates with these suggestions for a beginner?
<<Hmm…the Hawkfish will make adding shrimp difficult as they may be preyed upon…but do consider some detritus feeding snails like Nassarius sp and maybe a Brittle Starfish or two>>
I wouldn't mind starting off with a known successful mix rather than trial and error by killing off perfectly helpless fish.
<<Nothing is a guarantee…even “my” selections [big grin]>>
I've read the article on Steven Pro's 55 gal setup http://www.pmas.org/pro/
<<Ah yes, and do note how the tank is NOT filled up with rock…>>
but wish he would update us with his new 120 gal so I can see how he stocked it.
<<Why not ask him to do so (http://forum.marinedepot.com/Forum14-1.aspx)>>
Do you know what he ended up doing?
<<I’m afraid I don’t>>
He had a Maroon Clownfish-Premnas biaculeatus an Orange Tail Fiji Damsel-Chrysiptera cyanea, an Algae Blenny-Salarias fasciatus and a Yellow Tang-Zebrasoma flavescens in the 55 gal. My tomato has been with me since 2004 and has been playing nice with the mandarin who has been with me for over 6 mos. I couldn't find any sample combination lists in the FAQ sections, only very nice write ups on the individual species. Any help or direction you can point me to would be absolutely great.
<<I hope I have done so>>
I have plenty of time, my new tank has to cycle for a few months, but need to get my plan going so I know when to introduce my tomato - before or after the others to help keep the fighting to a minimum. I want a happy tank! Thanks so much Eric for all your help!
<<Quite welcome>>
Sorry my email is so long
<<No worries>>
- hopefully it gives you the info you need though to help me out!
Jean
<<Species selection is a serious process but is also part of the fun of system setup. Do keep reading/researching, and feel free to discuss with/bounce your selections off me if you wish. Regards, Eric Russell>>
 
My New In-Wall FOWLR System! – 04/21/08
Hello everyone at WWM!!
<<Hi there, Art!>>
I am currently in the final planning stages of setting up my 125G "in-wall" tank (picture attached).
<<Neat…though speaking from experience (my current system is my second “in-wall” system), I think you will find you wished you put some access doors above the tank on the “front” side. Keeping the front glass clean from “behind” is a real pain…and may even become impossible if corals are kept/grow large>>
The R/O water is currently mixing in the tank with the salt and 135 lbs of live rock will be arriving on Thursday.
<<Mmm, a lot of rock…do think to keep an “open” design to allow the fishes room to swim>>
I also have a 55G corner tank with live rock, which was cycled with a protein skimmer and water changes about a year ago (still do periodic water changes). After the tank was cycled I read some information that makes me question how I should cycle this larger tank.
<<Oh?>>
For my corner tank I ran my skimmer from the moment the rock was introduced, but I read somewhere (I know it's not very helpful when I can't recall from where.... but now it's at the back of my head) that the protein skimmer shouldn't be turned on until your ammonia levels sky-rocket.
<<I disagree…it is my opinion/preference to run the skimmer from day-1. Letting Ammonia and Nitrite levels “sky-rocket” as you say only further harms the emergent life on the rock>>
I don't know if this is correct or not, but to me, it doesn't seem very beneficial to all of the microorganisms that make their home in the rock.
<<Indeed…macro-organisms too>>
I will also be adding some rock from my sump/fuge along with that "bacteria in a bottle". What is your opinion about cycling a tank with the protein skimmer at onset?
<<Is my preference to do so>>
Now here is my other question. I have neglected, or better yet put aside, my stocking list for this tank, because of all of the issues associated with carpentry, plumbing, and everyday hassles that come with building a new tank.
<<I see…and is understandable. But do give this aspect of the planning process its due diligence>>
From the beginning I knew it was going to be a FOWLR tank, my 55G Reef has cute small fish that get along with coral, but until recently I have decided to keep more aggressive larger fish in the 125G since I now have space for them.
<<Mmm…better than the 55g for sure>>
Here goes:
1 Humu Humu Trigger
1 Niger Trigger
<<Even at 125-gallons, this tank is not really big enough for this fish in the long-term…and your stock-list should be with consideration for the long-term>>
1 Volitans -or- Radiata Lionfish
<<Not a good choice with the triggers>>
1 Lyretail Wrasse
<<Would do better as a trio (a male and two females) in my opinion>>
1 Yellow Tang
2 Maroon Clowns
<<These will likely claim a good-size portion of the tank as their own>>
OK. So this is my dream list. I have a friend that has successfully kept a Niger and Humu in the same (150 G) tank for about a year with no problems,
<<A “year “ is neither “long-term” nor a measurement of “success”>>
but as I have read these fish aren't very predictable in the temperament department, so I know it's not a guarantee.
<<Will be trouble sooner or later…for sure>>
Seeing as how all of these fish are aggressive, I think it's a gamble either way to go with one or the other, but I would like to hear an expert’s opinion.
<<Aggressive fishes or not…you can’t just lump any species together and hope for the best. Compatibility is still an issue…and “just” getting along or just “existing” in the same tank will manifest in social and health issues. I recommend you pick a “show fish” you would like and that is suitable to your tank size and then research/build a stock-list of “suitable tankmates” around this fish>>
As for the Lionfish, I much prefer the look and size of the Radiata to the Volitans, but from what I've seen at LFS they are not as easy to come by.
<<Can likely be “ordered”>>
What do you recommend?
<<Volitans is “my” favorite (the black color phase), but go with your fave…just not with the triggers>>
Do you think the Maroons would be able to hold their own in this tank?
<<A very aggressive Clownfish species…if not small enough to be swallowed…likely, yes>>
I currently have a Maroon in "time out" aka my sump/fuge because what was once a pretty friendly going fish, turned into a big bully from one day to the next.
<<Not atypical>>
I would most likely introduce the clown fish first, to give them the alpha seat, and then the other more aggressive fish at the same time, if you approve of my list.
<<You have my opinions thus>>
I have a Skimmer rated for 250G because I know larger fish are pretty messy eaters.
<<Yes, I see it…looks to be a Berlin HOT skimmer. These can work “fair”…but usually need continual fiddling/adjustment…I would opt for a better and more efficient make/model. I also see you have installed check-valves on your pump return lines...a source of trouble. Best to design the plumbing such that these devices are not necessary>>
If there is any more room in this tank I would like to put some smaller (about the same size or smaller as the maroons) aggressive "dither" fish to add some contrast and bring out the larger fish, but if I'm overstocked already then I'll just stop now.
<<Mmm…not so much overstocked as mis-stocked>>
Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer my question!
<<Is my pleasure to share>>
Your site really is a godsend!
<<A collective effort…we’re happy you find it of use>>
Art Perez, 20
California
<<Eric Russell…South Carolina>>

Re: My New In-Wall FOWLR System! – 04/23/08
Thanks for the quick reply,
<<Quite welcome Art…and thank you for writing back as it gives me the opportunity to correct a mistake I made during our previous correspondence which I will explain shortly>>
I am taking your advice and have decided not to add the Niger or the Lionfish.
<<For the best…considering>>
I love the shape and color of the Lyretail Wrasse, so having 3 sounds like a good idea to me! Will I have enough room in the long run? If so, my only problem regarding this species is being able to find females. Do I just purchase 3 similar sized specimens and hope they are all females and the dominant one becomes male?
<<This is where I made an error in my reading of your previous query, Art. My eyes saw you had written Lyretail Wrasse, but my brain processed Lyretail “Anthias.” Even if three of this Thalassoma species of wrasse were to get along (not a likely occurrence), your 125g tank is too small for three very aggressive, foot-long, fast-movers. My apologies for the error>>
I have made some revisions to my list.
Here goes:
2 Maroon Clowns
1 Purple Pseudochromis
1 Yellow Tang
3 Lunare Wrasse
<<Should be amended to ‘1’>>
3 Yellowtail Damsels
1 Snowflake Eel
Do you think an angel of either Annularis or Imperator would be a good "show fish" for this tank?
Or would it be harassed by the Tang and the wrasse?
<<Spectacular fishes for sure…and either one would be “King Fish” in this tank…but either one would require a tank at least double the size of yours in the long term. Best to keep looking for another “show fish”>>
As for the order I was thinking of putting the clowns, Pseudochromis, and damsels in at the same time, and let them establish themselves.
<<Probably fine>>
Then put the eel and the Angel, (if suitable) and finally add the wrasses and the tang. Should the order be altered?
<<Since the Angel is out (at least these two species), the Thalassoma Lunare should go in last>>
Thanks in advance!!
<<Always welcome… And again…sorry for the earlier mis-communication. EricR>>

My New In-Wall FOWLR System! – 04/21/08
Hello everyone at WWM!!
<<Hi there, Art!>>
I am currently in the final planning stages of setting up my 125G "in-wall" tank (picture attached).
<<Neat…though speaking from experience (my current system is my second “in-wall” system), I think you will find you wished you put some access doors above the tank on the “front” side. Keeping the front glass clean from “behind” is a real pain…and may even become impossible if corals are kept/grow large>>
The R/O water is currently mixing in the tank with the salt and 135 lbs of live rock will be arriving on Thursday.
<<Mmm, a lot of rock…do think to keep an “open” design to allow the fishes room to swim>>
I also have a 55G corner tank with live rock, which was cycled with a protein skimmer and water changes about a year ago (still do periodic water changes). After the tank was cycled I read some information that makes me question how I should cycle this larger tank.
<<Oh?>>
For my corner tank I ran my skimmer from the moment the rock was introduced, but I read somewhere (I know it's not very helpful when I can't recall from where.... but now it's at the back of my head) that the protein skimmer shouldn't be turned on until your ammonia levels sky-rocket.
<<I disagree…it is my opinion/preference to run the skimmer from day-1. Letting Ammonia and Nitrite levels “sky-rocket” as you say only further harms the emergent life on the rock>>
I don't know if this is correct or not, but to me, it doesn't seem very beneficial to all of the microorganisms that make their home in the rock.
<<Indeed…macro-organisms too>>
I will also be adding some rock from my sump/fuge along with that "bacteria in a bottle". What is your opinion about cycling a tank with the protein skimmer at onset?
<<Is my preference to do so>>
Now here is my other question. I have neglected, or better yet put aside, my stocking list for this tank, because of all of the issues associated with carpentry, plumbing, and everyday hassles that come with building a new tank.
<<I see…and is understandable. But do give this aspect of the planning process its due diligence>>
From the beginning I knew it was going to be a FOWLR tank, my 55G Reef has cute small fish that get along with coral, but until recently I have decided to keep more aggressive larger fish in the 125G since I now have space for them.
<<Mmm…better than the 55g for sure>>
Here goes:
1 Humu Humu Trigger
1 Niger Trigger
<<Even at 125-gallons, this tank is not really big enough for this fish in the long-term…and your stock-list should be with consideration for the long-term>>
1 Volitans -or- Radiata Lionfish
<<Not a good choice with the triggers>>
1 Lyretail Wrasse
<<Would do better as a trio (a male and two females) in my opinion>>
1 Yellow Tang
2 Maroon Clowns
<<These will likely claim a good-size portion of the tank as their own>>
OK. So this is my dream list. I have a friend that has successfully kept a Niger and Humu in the same (150 G) tank for about a year with no problems,
<<A “year “ is neither “long-term” nor a measurement of “success”>>
but as I have read these fish aren't very predictable in the temperament department, so I know it's not a guarantee.
<<Will be trouble sooner or later…for sure>>
Seeing as how all of these fish are aggressive, I think it's a gamble either way to go with one or the other, but I would like to hear an expert’s opinion.
<<Aggressive fishes or not…you can’t just lump any species together and hope for the best. Compatibility is still an issue…and “just” getting along or just “existing” in the same tank will manifest in social and health issues. I recommend you pick a “show fish” you would like and that is suitable to your tank size and then research/build a stock-list of “suitable tankmates” around this fish>>
As for the Lionfish, I much prefer the look and size of the Radiata to the Volitans, but from what I've seen at LFS they are not as easy to come by.
<<Can likely be “ordered”>>
What do you recommend?
<<Volitans is “my” favorite (the black color phase), but go with your fave…just not with the triggers>>
Do you think the Maroons would be able to hold their own in this tank?
<<A very aggressive Clownfish species…if not small enough to be swallowed…likely, yes>>
I currently have a Maroon in "time out" aka my sump/fuge because what was once a pretty friendly going fish, turned into a big bully from one day to the next.
<<Not atypical>>
I would most likely introduce the clown fish first, to give them the alpha seat, and then the other more aggressive fish at the same time, if you approve of my list.
<<You have my opinions thus>>
I have a Skimmer rated for 250G because I know larger fish are pretty messy eaters.
<<Yes, I see it…looks to be a Berlin HOT skimmer. These can work “fair”…but usually need continual fiddling/adjustment…I would opt for a better and more efficient make/model. I also see you have installed check-valves on your pump return lines...a source of trouble. Best to design the plumbing such that these devices are not necessary>>
If there is any more room in this tank I would like to put some smaller (about the same size or smaller as the maroons) aggressive "dither" fish to add some contrast and bring out the larger fish, but if I'm overstocked already then I'll just stop now.
<<Mmm…not so much overstocked as mis-stocked>>
Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer my question!
<<Is my pleasure to share>>
Your site really is a godsend!
<<A collective effort…we’re happy you find it of use>>
Art Perez, 20
California
<<Eric Russell…South Carolina>>

FOWLR/Compatibility 4/17/08
Hello--
<Hi Tom>
Let me first off state that your website is a terrific resource. The volume of information is almost overwhelming!
<Thank you.>
I have a 75 gal reef tank that has been set up for about four years. For the most part its inhabitants have thrived, although I have quite a bubble algae problem on my hands. A few months ago my wife and I honeymooned in Kauai, and after returning home and thinking about it I decided I would like a long-term reminder of that trip. So I am planning on getting rid of the reef tank and constructing a FOWLR tank.
It will be sad to say goodbye to the corals but I am pretty sure this is the direction I want long-term.
I was planning on buying a new tank anyway, one with a built-in overflow, so one question is in regards to tank size. The fish I would like to keep include a Rectangular Trigger, a Raccoon Butterfly, a Dragon Wrasse, and a tang or two. I currently have a Blue Hippo tang in the reef tank and would like to keep it as I'm quite partial to it. Ideally I would also keep one Yellow Tang or one Convict Tang. Which would you recommend in this setup (or neither)?
<Both the Dragon Wrasse and the Trigger are aggressive fish, they could be kept together but I wouldn't chance putting the tangs in there with them. As for the tangs, I'd go with a Yellow Tang, will give more color to the system and should get along well with the Hippo. Do add them  at the same time.>
So am I missing any compatibility problems with these fish? What size tank will I need?
<With the tangs, I'd go with at least a 125 gallon tank and go for length and width rather than height. The same would hold true for triggerfish and the Dragon Wrasse.>
I know it would be out of place, but I have always loved lionfish. If I added one of them, what size tank would it need to be?
<The above will work fine.>
Finally, are there any species of coral that would likely survive? Everything seems to point to "no", but I am hoping there might be an exception that you are aware of.
<I would not, the Dragon Wrasse is very adept at moving rock and pieces of rock landing on corals would lead to their demise. Triggerfish have the habit of looking under rocks for tidbits also, but do not have quite the rearranging skills of a Dragon Wrasse. Do search/read on our site on fish you have in mind before making any decisions, make sure compatibility and requirements can be met.>
Thank you so much for the help. Have a great week.
<Thank you. James (Salty Dog)>
Sincerely,
Tom

Stocking 75g...Maybe FOWLR – 04/14/08
I would just like approval before I dive in.
<<Happy to provide my opinions>>
My tank is 48" x 18" x 20"
Currently in tank.
6 Chromis
None of these fish have been added...but this is what I'm thinking.
Gold striped maroon clown
Yellow tang
Blue Hippo, I know he will outgrow the tank, and when he does I will take him to the LFS.
<<A fine notion, though the fish will likely expire before this is realized. Aside from “outgrowing” the tank, this large, robust but “twitchy” Tang species will suffer from just “growing up” in a too-small system…resulting in health and behavioral issues that will certainly shorten its life. Do yourself and this fish a favor, and take a pass here>>
Humu Humu Triggerfish, again I know he will outgrow the tank, but it will take awhile.
<<Indeed…and a better prospect for growing up in this tank than the Hippo Tang. Also important to keep in mind here…although this is one of the more “sociable” species of Triggerfishes…overcrowding can/will lead to problems, especially as the fish matures>>
And maybe 2 pink square anthias.
<<These large Anthiines are better suited to a larger tank…and too, unless received as a male-female pair, would not likely co-exist in this size tank>>
I have a wet dry sump, 3 inch sand bed, and about 75lbs of dense and porous rock.
<<Hmm…isn’t that a contradiction (dense and porous)?>>
There is a good amount of swimming room.
<<An important aspect to the fish’s social health. EricR>>

Re: Stocking 75g...Maybe FOWLR – 04/14/08
I might pass on the hippo,
<<I do strongly suggest this>>
and the anthias.
<<Probably for the better>>
Just stick with the gold stripe maroon, yellow tang, school of chromis (or rather group of shoaling chromis) and Humu, for a while.
<<You will likely find that this “fills you up”…especially as the fish mature>>
Oh and I meant I have both dense and porous rock.
<<Ah!>>
One of them is a shelf rock, beautiful, however weighs quite a bit.
<<I see>>
Any other suggestions?
<<Pertaining to stocking? The Trigger, Tang, and Clown you have listed, along with the half-dozen Chromis, should about do it for this tank. Regards, EricR>>

Inverts... title please... sel.  04/11/2008
Hello
<<Hi, Andrew today>>
I have a 72 gallon FOWLR tank.
My stocking list looks like this:
2 Ocellaris clowns
1 Blue-green Chromis
1 Royal Gramma
1 Neon goby
1 Yellow tang
1 Scott's fairy wrasse
1 Flame Angel
1 Black brittle star
2 cleaner shrimp
30 Nassarius snails
5 Cerith snails
I still have not purchased the wrasse or angel for my tank yet.
<<I would suggest you don't have anymore room for more fish>>
Fishwise my tank is pretty stocked and lately I've become interested in the inverts for my tank. I have been looking to add some but I am starting to get worried that I might overload the tank or worse off starve them to death as I do not like to overfeed my fish. I am looking to add 3 camel shrimp, an urchin (probably a pincushion) an emerald crab for my hair algae and a pink sandsifting cucumber. Would this be to much for my tank?
<<I would add all besides the cucumber, its personal preference, but i have seen too many tanks go bad because of an issue with these, and to me, its not worth the risk. With regards to feeding / bioload...Its all fine, you should not experience any issues>>
Thanks, Adam Law
<<Hope this helps, thanks for the questions. A Nixon>>

Stocking levels for 65 gallon 04/07/2008
Hi
<<Hello Dean, Andrew with you today>>
I'm going to start a 65 gallon FOWLR tank with separate filter sump,T5 lighting, protein skimmer. The fish i want to keep in it after gaining experience keeping damsels are as follows
1.Coral Beauty
2.Royal Gramma
3.Purple Tang
4.Long Nosed Butterfly fish ( would drop it from my wish list if i would be overstocking with it)
i just want to make sure I wouldn't be over-stocking
<<Do you still have the Damsels? If so, i would remove them and return to a store for some credit as these will cause aggression issues. All the above are fine except the tang. This would need a larger home. Look for another room mate which does not get so big.>>
Thanks
kind regards
Dean
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>

Re: 65gal Stocking FOWLR question 04/09/2008
Hi WWM crew
<<G'Morning, Andrew today>>
I have already asked you if a coral beauty, long nosed butterfly fish, Royal Gramma and a purple tang in a 65 gallon FOWLR tank would be overstocking, you said it would be alright except for the tang and you advised that I search for another compatible tank mate. I was wondering if 2 black and white false clowns would be a good replacement.
<<Sounds like a very good choice to me, tank bred, not wild caught of course ;O) >>
thanks for all the help
Kind regards
Dean
<<Thanks for the questions, hope this helps. A Nixon>>

Re: stocking levels for 65 gallon 04/09/2008
yes, I was planning on removing the damsels from the tank and taking them back to the store, I've heard they can severely attack or even kill other fish that are added to the tank .
<<Very true>>
So I'll drop the purple tang. I've also got another question. Are you meant to add the substrate before adding the saltwater to the tank or after.
<<It does not really make much difference. I do find it easier when setting up a new tank to put the sand in first, leaving the empty space for the live rock, add saltwater, add rock, fill in the sand. This way, the rock is sitting firmly on the glass bottom and provides stability to the rock structure>>
Thanks for all the help
kind regards
Dean
<<Thanks for the questions and follow up. A Nixon>>

Re: 65gal Stocking question 04/09/2008
yes tank bred of course
<<Good stuff>>
What order should the fish be added (Coral Beauty, Long nosed Butterflyfish, Royal Gramma and two black and white false clowns.)
<<I would go clowns first, coral beauty, butterfly and Gramma>>
And another question, are there any tangs that be kept in a 65 gallon FOWLR.
<<I would august not, no, i am afraid>>
Thanks for all the help
Kind Regards
Dean
<<Thanks, A Nixon>>

Mixing Wrasse In FOWLR…other stocking questions 3/31/08
Hi guys,
<<Hello Brian.>>
Got a quick question that I hope you can help me out with.
<<I will try.>>
I have a 72 gallon FOWLR. Currently in the tank include 2 ocellaris clowns, a yellow tang (3 inch), and 2 scarlet shrimp. A mystery wrasse 2.5 inch (Pseudocheilinus mysterii) was added last week. I wanted to add a few more wrasses but wanted to confirm compatibility. My LFS has a great looking Laboutei wrasse (Cirrhilabrus laboutei) and blue flasher wrasse, can those two be added together safely with my current stocking list?
<<In all honesty, with one established wrasse, and considering the overall volume of the aquarium I would not.>>
My plans to finish the tank will probably include a dwarf flame angel and possibly an Auriga butterfly.
<<Skip the butterfly.>>
Thanks in advance for you advice,
~ Brian
<<Adam J.>>

A Centerpiece Fish Without The Bit! (Compatibility Query) -03/27/08
Hello,
<Hey there! Scott F. in tonight!>
About 3 months ago, we bought a 75 gallon tank with a CPR Backpack2 filter/skimmer and Emperor 400 BioWheel. Our levels all seem to be in check. We purchased a clean up package offered online including Hermit Crabs, 1 Arrow Crab, 1 Sally Lightfoot, 2 Emerald Crabs, Turbo and Nassarius snails, and 2 Peppermint Shrimp. We have 40 lbs of live rock and 80 lbs of live sand. Our first fish purchases included 2 Maroon Clowns and 1 Lawnmower Blenny. We have been looking for more tank mates and would really like to get a Canthigaster supramacula. What do you think about the compatibility of this fish with what we have? Or do you have any other suggestion for a "centerpiece" fish.
<Well, the genus Canthigaster is filled with reasonably-sized fish that, although attractive and generally interesting, tend to be notorious for nipping and biting the fins off of their tankmates! I'd be hesitant to add this fish to your aquarium. Your fishes and invertebrates will thank you! An interesting "centerpiece" fish would be something like a Flame Hawkfish, or perhaps a trio of small Fairy Wrasses, or even a small Centropyge Angelfish (like C. argi, etc.)?>
In addition, do we need to purchase an aerator or are our filters adequate for this job?
<If the returns are breaking the surface tension of the water and creating some turbulence at the air/water interface, I don't think that you'll need additional aeration for your system.>
Thanks
Andrea
<Glad to be of service! Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>

45 Gallon Fish Only Stocking 3/26/08
Hello WWM Crew!
<Hello Michelle.>
First of all, thank you for maintaining such a great website. It's been really useful for a newbie like me, and a good deal of my basic information has been gleaned from its resources.
<Thank you, this site is a honor to be part of!>
I'm starting my first saltwater tank (I've done numerous freshwater). I say "starting", but really I'm continuing a failed 45-gallon saltwater tank my
friend gave to me, as a school project. There is nothing wrong with the tank; my friend just never got further than two inches of sand, a clownfish
(*Amphiprion ocellaris)*, a striped damsel *(Dascyllus melanurus*)*,* and a black molly *(Poecilia latipinna)*. It has, however, been established for
over a year and there are no issues.
<That makes it a good start for you.>
I run water tests daily and I believe I'm at the point where I can introduce new fish (quarantined first of course), but first I'd like to check a few things:
My first question deals with equipment. On the tank there is only a Penguin Bio-Wheel Power Filter, a heater, and a hood with a built-in fluorescent light. My friend never got a protein skimmer and I was planning on getting one since it sounds like a MUST, but my LFS says that on a peaceful, small fish, 45-gallon tank a protein skimmer is really unnecessary.
<I would not label a protein skimmer an absolute must. It does however make maintaining a higher water quality much easier. Look at a skimmer in service and ask yourself if you want the contents of the collection cup in your tank! Peaceful fish create waste too.>
I'm like to check with you before I take the risk.
<No risk, just a little cost.>
Second, in regards to the environment, I am changing the sand and adding shells and bleached corals for hiding places, but I thought I'd work without live rock as much as possible for expense reasons (I'm running off a school budget; the tank is in my environmental science classroom). I don't know if not having LR will affect any of the fish I am planning to add.
<Live rock is very beneficial and does make filtration generally easier, but it is not a must.>
Here's the list:
2 skunk cleaner shrimp *(**Lysmata amboinensis)*
1 neon goby *(**Elacatinus **oceanops)*
<I would not keep these in a fish only tank, they do better in reefs.>
1 royal Gramma *(Gramma loreto)*
1 firefish goby *(Nemateleotris magnifica)*
1 sixline wrasse *(Pseudocheilinus hexataenia)*
<I would not include this fish. It can be aggressive.>
1 Banggai (Banggai?) cardinal (*Pterapogon kaudneri*)**
Third, I am getting rid of the damsel because it has proven itself aggressive (it used to have 5 siblings),
<Good, this was my next recommendation!>
and the black molly can be moved to another tank if I am lacking in room.
<Should be fine left in the tank.>
But are eight small fish too many for a 45-gallon tank?
<Excluding those mentioned above, you will be fine.>
I can't seem to find an accurate gauge and I don't comprehend the "rule of thumb."
<Check out: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/stocking1.htm and related articles/FAQ’s.>
My largest problem is compatibility. I've done research to find peaceful, hardy fish, but I thought I'd double-check to make sure there weren't any issues. Are there any certain combos I should watch out for in my list?
<Mentioned above.>
I can't thank you enough for all you're doing.
Warmest regards, Michelle
<Welcome, thank you for writing, Scott V.>

 


 

 

 

 

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