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FAQs about Marine Aquarium Heating, Measure/Thermometers
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Water Temperature, |
Best to have at least two thermometers... placed in different
areas... These devices can be notoriously inaccurate AND imprecise.
Stick-ons are okay... as long as you realize the insulating
properties of what they're stuck on... |
3 years of inaccurate temperature 12/30/07 Hello Bob and
crew! I have been reading your books and website for 3 years. I felt It
was finally time to personally thank you guys (and gals) for the
unimaginable number of time you have led me through questions about reef
keeping. I would really like to send a donation, how would this be
possible? <Mmm, the Amazon "begging bowl" at the bottom of most pages
is the simplest vehicle> Also the only question I have today is what
the best simple digital temperature gauge. I recently bought a Hanna
ph/temp pen to help with Kalkwasser dosing and proved my Corallife
digital thermometer was off by 3.9 degrees F. I cannot BELIEVE that. You
get what you pay for! I am so happy with products you have recommended
in the past. ( euro-reef, Iwaki, Tunze, etc.) 3 years at 78 degrees.
Wait make that 81.9 degrees! UGGHHHH. I fell lucky the reef is as good
as it is! Thanks again for your worthy cause! Jayson Dufresne <Thank
you for this input... will post/share. I DO encourage you to send this
unit and note to Corallife. Bob Fenner> Broken
Thermometer 3/29/07 Hey WetWeb Media, <Hi again.> Real
quick question I was mixing water today and had one of those floating
thermometers made of glass in the trashcan and when I poured the water
in it broke the thermometer. Should I throw out the water and the trash
can. <Yes to the water, no to the can, just rinse it out very well.>
Because I think the thermometer had mercury in it. <Unlikely, most now
are alcohol based.> I still have the heater and power head. Should I
even throw those out? <Nope, just rinse well.> Or am I being crazy.
<Maybe a little crazy.> Please write back as soon as you can.
Thanks Jeff <Chris> Laboratory Grade Thermometers
7/25/06 I'd like to tout a product that has been unwisely ignored
by many aquarists. <<Okay>> This product is a liquid-filled
thermometer that is accurate enough to calibrate a thermostat or
temperature controller. <<Yes indeed, a "laboratory" grade
thermometer can be a great help for determining the accuracy/degree of
deflection of similar "hobbyist" grade devices>> I purchased two
such thermometers last year and they are indispensable. Most
thermostats and temperature controllers must be periodically checked and
calibrated. <<A good practice, yes>> The A-20 mercury
thermometer that I purchased early last year from "http://www.sealifesupply.com/"
is ideal for this purpose. Its range, 66 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit,
makes it ideal for aquarium use. It is a foot in length with markings
every 0.2 degrees. Using this thermometer, I discovered that my digital
controller, which displays temperature to 3 digits, had drifted by 1.5
degrees Fahrenheit. I also discovered that some of my analog heater
thermostats were off by almost 5 degrees. Later, during a trip to NY, I
purchased the nearly identical T-4900/S80F1 thermometer from "http://www.millerweber.com/". The
T-4900 is filled with a non-toxic blue liquid and is especially easy to
read. <<Mmm...something coming of increasing importance to my aging
eyes>> Except for a slightly slower response, it gives identical
readings as the mercury-filled A-20 which is also manufactured by Miller
& Weber. The often ignored liquid-filled thermometer may appear to be
an anachronism in this digital age but I submit that nearly all
thermostats and controllers must be calibrated by one. <<Indeed, and
I'd like to mention...analogous to using a quality lab-grade hydrometer
to calibrate/determine the amount of "differential" in your choice of
tools used to measure salinity/specific gravity>> Regards, Paul
<<Thank you for sharing. EricR>> Digital Thermometer
preference? 1/26/07 <Hello, GrahamT with you tonight.> I was
on your site to see if you recommended a specific brand of digital
thermometer, but was unable to find a FAQ that answered my question.
<Isn't one.> I purchased a Coralife digital thermometer in early
January and exchanged it for another one since the temperature was
showing about 3 degrees cooler than my original mercury thermometer.
<Mercury, or alcohol? Silver, or blue/red?> When the Coralife
replacement was still showing about 2 degrees cooler than the mercury
thermometer, I added another mercury thermometer to the tank and both
read 76 degrees (my heater is also set at 76 degrees as well). I sent
an e-mail to Coralife (esuweb.com) on 1/18 with no response from them.
Not sure what you think of this product, but my opinion is pretty much
made up regarding Coralife's entire product line. I wanted to know if
you recommended a specific brand of digital thermometer. <I like
Coralife just fine, but I know what I like them for, and I make no bones
about it. They make affordable products that live up to my expectations
of them. They are inferior to many other higher-priced competitors'
products, but you get what you pay for. I have personally noticed
several Coralife dig. thermometers giving variously erroneous reading of
temperature in the SAME SYSTEM. I'm not sure if they are always at the
same margin above or below actual temp, but I don't bother with it. I
have an indoor/outdoor thermometer that I bought at RadioShack that
talks and yells at me when the temps go above or below a customizable
preset value. I spent less than $30 dollars on this contraption. (I did
coat the metal probe with plumber's GOOP and also the wire as it enters
the back of the probe) If you need super-accurate, get a temp controller
that tells you the temp and keeps the heater on that loop as well. For
cheap thermometers, Hellolights.com has a $5 fully-submersible digital
that I dint to be very accurate and convenient. HTH GrahamT P.S.
BobF, now we have the first entry in the new temp-measurement FAQ ;) >
<<Yet another Sub, sub, sub FAQs file to make...?Aiyeee! B>>
Re: Dig. Thermometer Preference? Follow-up 1/29/07 Thanks for
the info and I agree with your assessment of the company.
<I will add that I don't hesitate to use their lights, air-pumps etc. (I
think it's all the same company now anyway... Central PET Pet
pet...)[like "Pigs in SPAAAAaaace"] ;) > I guess my frustration is
with the company not even having the good sense to reply to one of there
customer's e-mail. <A huge no-no in my book as well. I
would probably go so far as to call someone and see where it gets me.>
To answer your question my original thermometer has a red line (I get
your point it's not mercury as I had described). I also had the same
experience you described below, before I returned the original digital
thermometer I had both in the tank and they both had different readings.
<Not very useful in our quest for duplication of environs, hmm?> I
love your site, used it often over the years and I never hesitate to
point others to it as a source of reference. <Thanks for the
follow-up, Nick. I always like hearing back from post-ers after the
fact. You should consider those little "Hellolights" digi-gauges. They
seem plenty reliable to me! -GrahamT> Nick
Floating thermometer (broken... metal ball-ballast in tank...)
Mr. Fenner: A floating thermometer broke in my salt water reef
aquarium and I think some of the metal beads may still be in my
aquarium. Should I be especially worried? If this could lead to a
disastrous consequences, what should I do to remedy this problem?
Thanks, Vince <Yes to being worried... perhaps lead, maybe ferrous...
at any length, bad news... if it were my tank, I'd siphon out all the
possible gravel areas and CAREFULLY sort through (sort of like rice,
beans, what have you, ahead of cooking for rocks, sticks...) and then
rinse it before replacing (freshwater is fine here). Bob Fenner>
Thermometers & Substrate I have 2 questions for you all today
1. which is better as far as thermometers go the glass ones that go
inside the tank or the sticky ones that go on the outside? <IMO, the
glass ones are better, but should not be allowed to float around in the
tank waiting to get broken.> 2. When I bought my substrate (crushed
coral) the guy at Elmer's LFS said NOT to rinse it, but the bags say to
do a light rinse. <Crushed coral needs rinsed like crazy.> Which
is right? <Are you sure you have crushed coral though. Being from
Pittsburgh and knowing Elmer's, I am not sure they carry crushed coral
anymore. They do have various grades of sand, some larger than others.>
It is not live sand. Thanks, Colleen Pittsburgh, PA <By the way,
did you make Bob's pitch at Elmer's on Saturday morning? -Steven Pro>
Thermometers I have read that it is not a good idea to put
anything metal in a saltwater tank. I have a 110 gallon reef tank. I
am shopping for new thermometers and have come across stainless steel
and titanium types that look interesting as I am looking for more
precise accuracy. I was wondering what your thoughts were on these
items and if they would release metal ions that would harm the tank
inhabitants. Thanks for your time. Abby Kengersky <Titanium?
Wow... I would select for a good glass encased thermometer and not be
too concerned with absolute accuracy. More important to be precise (get
about the same reading each time), that is, to do your best to measure
and maintain stability. Bob Fenner> DOH! I Broke the
Thermometer, Now What? >Hi Bob and team. >>Hello, Marina
tonight. >I'm afraid I've had a disaster in my 200 gallon reef
aquarium. While recently double checking my chiller reading, I stupidly
left a thermometer in my sump. I found it this morning, broken at the
pump intake. >>Oh my, thusly the term "disaster". It's not as
disastrous as you think, though. >The lead balls have been sucked
into the pump and the mercury is gone. >>Not mercury anymore, my
friend, usually alcohol (with a dye) is used in modern thermometers.
>Everything in the tank looks OK so far (corals and fish), but I can't
imagine that'll last. What should I do? I'm sure water changes, carbon
and PolyFilters will help but I can't imagine I'm ever going to find the
lead balls? >>No, I don't imagine you will, either. But I wouldn't
expect such a small amount to be a very big problem in the short or long
run anyway. If you're very concerned about the contents, contact the
manufacturer, but to the best of my knowledge the potential for mercury
would be the biggest issue and as far as I know it hasn't been used for
quite a few years. You're correct, water changes, carbon, and
PolyFilters will help, though I don't know at all how readily lead
actually dissolves in water (thinking of wrecks of Spanish galleons and
all the lead shot/balls they find, all encrusted with stuff). >Any
advice you can give would be great. I hate the thought of tearing down
my tank and starting again. Dave. >>No, no, no, I really don't think
you'll need to go so far. Between the water changes and the chemical
filtration you should be able to deal with the small amount of dye
released. For "next time", get a bit of clear plastic tubing, the kind
used for undergravel filter lift tubes, along with caps. The caps can be
the same clear plastic, or PVC that fits. Glue one end (I'd use
Superglue-cyanoacrylate) on permanently, leave the other so you can slip
it on and off. Drill some holes in the tube, and it will protect the
future thermometer from such terrible mishaps. Marina
External heat from pump Crew: <Hi Rich how are you tonight? MacL
here with you> In order to give my wife back the living room, I am
relocating my 55 gallon FOWLR in the basement. <Nice of you but I bet
she misses the tank when it's gone.> Currently, I have four fish in a
Rubbermaid container with some of their LR and a powerhead, the 55 is
filled with water, sand and the rest of the LR, and my Iwaki 40RLT is
running on a closed loop. The problem is the heat. The ambient
temperature is 74F, and the tank is running around 82F! <I have to say
when I got this email I was very surprised. I have not heard of an Iwaki
running that hot. I checked with another WetWebMedia person and they
said the same thing. They also felt it was pretty much impossible with
the set up that you have, to have that large a jump in temperature.> I
have not even turned my lights back on yet. My pump has been is use for
about a year. I have it installed on a small homemade stand in back of
the tank, about 3 feet high, to lessen the head pressure. <The thought
was perhaps you had the pump inside a cabinet or other enclosed place
where there wasn't proper ventilation. In that case, it might have
caused a larger that usual jump in temperature but as I understand this
you have your pump in an outside area. The next thought is that perhaps
your you need to check the calibration of your temperature gauges. I can
speak personally to this one. I usually run three or four temperature
gages at a time on my tanks.> The intake is installed over the top on
the right side, using two 90 degree elbows. The output goes up about
one foot, splits with a "T", and runs to both sides of the tank, and up
and over with elbows again. I have read that Iwaki's, and external
pumps in general impart less heat, so I was surprised to find this much
of an increase. I do not have any previous temperature readings with
only the pump running, so I am not sure if this has always been the
case. <I really would check your thermometers, a rise of perhaps three
or four degrees is more normal and Iwaki is pretty much known NOT to
have that kind of rise.> The pump is not making any loud noises or
anything. Any ideas? I was looking forward to more stable temperatures
in the basement. I am trying to hold onto that dream! <Check the
calibration of your temp gauges, both inside the tank and outside of it.
If when you check it you find it really is that large a jump please let
us know again.> If I read wrong, and Iwaki's DO impart heat like this,
can you recommend a brand that does not? <I think you have the best
Rich, Please let me know how this turns out. Take Care, MacL> Thanks,
Rich Can the sand bed be a different temp. from
the rest of the tank? Hi Adam, < Hello Narayan. > Hope all
is well at your end. My reef tank has been running pretty well so far...
Unfortunately I can't say the same for the newly set up refugium. What a
pain to work on an under tank refugium. So, last week I tore it down and
re-set it up on the floor next to the display -doesn't look as neat, but
way easier to work on, plus all my aquarium maintenance stuff can go
back under the display. < If you don't mind the look of it on the
floor, good idea. > I have two thermometer strips glued on to the
glass sides of the refugium, one near the bottom of the 6" DSB and the
other in the middle of the water column. The water temp is 79F, but the
bottom of the DSB is at 71F. < I don't believe it. I don't believe
they can be that far off. I'd get a regular thermometer. > <<I do
believe it... a simple experiment/demonstration will convince you. RMF>>
Should I be concerned about the refugium's DSB's temperature? The DSB in
the display is 4.5" and is at the same temp as the rest of the tank.
< Just thinking of how well water transfers heat, I can't believe it has
the kind variance in a tank. Here is what I would do. I'd go to Radio
Shack and buy a digital thermometer. They are under $10 and fun to play
with. Then I'd move that probe up and down in the water and see what it
is says. > Thank You, Narayan < Blundell > Can the sand
bed be a different temp from the rest of the tank? continued But
Adam, There is very little water movement in the sand bed... I can
actually feel the difference with my hand against the glass. The water
is noticeably warmer than the sand near the bottom. < This just
doesn't sound right. I guess it could happen, but the way glass conducts
(transfers) heat I wouldn't think it would have a difference you could
feel. I guess I was wrong. > And, I'll go get the radio shack
thermometer to try... The thermometer strips are on the outside of the
glass and it is cold here in Rhode Island, especially near the floor,
since the tank sits on top of a inch of carpeting on a concrete slab.
< I still think the digital thermometer will be a good addition. ><<As a
side note, input, there are indeed some very large differences in
temperature through aquarium substrates at times... for "European"
aquarists (and others) the rationale for using heater cables, situated
in/under the substrate... heat rises... RMF>> Thanks, Narayan
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